Forum Post: Neos Phone Call
Posted 11 years ago on Dec. 3, 2011, 11:15 p.m. EST by gawdoftruth
from Santa Barbara, CA
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[-] barb 1 points 49 minutes ago
You are free to leave this forum if you like, no one is holding a gun to your head to stay here.
hello neo. do you know who this is?
they are coming for you...i can guide you but you must do exactly as i say...
List of Threads on OccupyWallStreet.org
right. and what makes you think thats a solution to any problem?
your "social" skills are looking like ... ???
what? disinvite me?
Ten things. First, I have been here since the start of this online, i was probably one of the voices that spurred adbusters to even think of the idea in the first place, I have posted here in length pages deep hours on end and So if you have been present with that you know i have been here hard core for this. Second, I'm right about everything, and unless occupy movement listens its going to fail.
Third, this is a trollhatten comic strip, which is why you are confused in the first place and why i am all dracospeaked out in frustration and annoyance with that to start.
The amusing ironic paradox of it all is that this is the place the public is having this conversation, and so this is where I'm going to play the whole thing out just the same as all the fools.
The corporate oligarchy IS holding a gun- to everyones head. And so ironically, for anyone whos lucid, your statement is a double think joke.
Let me tell you how it really is. occupy movement surfed and exploited evolutionary forces which are already frustrated and cracked. If this movement fails odds are likely that would leave it for a whole nother generation of kids to grow up to pick up the new torch. By then your civilization will have self destructed, and those same kids won't have a chance to live a "natural lifespan" as a consequence, as humanity goes extinct.
Now. the corporate oligarchy is holding a gun to the head of the middle class, I'm morpheus, your neo, and have we got ourselves figured out yet?
I find it very interesting you claim, "I have been here since the start of this online, i was probably one of the voices that spurred adbusters to even think of the idea in the first place," yet your profile says you joined the forum on September 27, 2011. Heck, that's only two weeks before I joined, and I didn't come here until after I saw the protest on television for a good while.
I also find it pretty arrogant for you to say, "Second, I'm right about everything, and unless occupy movement listens its going to fail."
I am also frustrated by your relentless efforts to co-opt this forum by encouraging everyone to come over to your personal Wiki. You claim you are right about everything in your post above, so I have no confidence that you will be fair in moderating any discussion that occurs on your Wiki. I also wonder just how long it will be before the Wiki is reformulated to incorporate revenue generating ads.
I really just don't get you. What's up with you ?
As Anonymous and others pondered these and other issues over, I was there, making the point, day after day, that our form of government was corporate oligarchy, while the rest of you had yet to awaken. For 20 years.
It is not arrogant for me to point out the simple systemic and game facts.
In 2003 i pointed out those same truths and was assured we were only months away from ending the wars. They were wrong. I was right. That is my experience of reality. I get to be right and right and right and right, 10 and twenty years into the future. I get to know there were no wmds in Iraq even while they are lying to us that there are, and i get to know as soon as i see the 911 footage that there are explosives in those buildings because i know demolitions. I get o be ahead of the bell curve. Its not arrogant if its true. And I deserve to have people start listening, because the fact of the matter is I'm right.
I predicted the second great depression 20 years ago. I predicted a heat dome over the USA 20 years ago. And people called me arrogant, and crazy, and tried to make me out to be a crank or be ego tripping then. But i was right. And I still am. And i have every right to point that out.
"Co-opt this forum by encouraging everyone to come over to your personal wiki" 1. I tried to get the owner of this site to put up a wiki and sub forums, she failed to do this. A wiki is a systemic NEED of the movement, and it is not my personal wiki, it is a wiki for the movement which it needs, the same as any other needed utility.
Revenue generating adds? WTF? i certainly deserve compensation, and about 1000 dollars per hour at that, but i am not asking for it, and i am not going to use the wiki to ask for it, and you have no shame in making such an accusation.
Whats up with me? I have the solutions from long hard work to all the problems, and i am counting time while your cvilization burns and watching the ants have a protest inside their ant hill. Its not working, and its not going to work, until they actually get to the work of the revolution.
but since this seems to be a sincere quest to understand what i am up to and where i am coming from, i can easily build you a nice path and narrative to see who i am and where that goes.
The information on your face-book page leads me to believe we are intellectually of like mind: I enjoy the same genre of movies and television shows as you, and I share your interests in psychology, religion, philosophy, and physics. We certainly differ in politics, but that's not generally a problem for me; I am able to admit there are some things that can't be proven and I can respect a man with whom I disagree as long as he makes a self-consistent and reasoned argument for his perspective.
We also both happen to live in the central coast region. I respect your intellect and suspect we could possibly meet and become friends someday, and it's in that light that I ask you to read the rest of this response; respect and friendship.
You have aspergers, and that explains your innate lack of social skills. I have a daughter with schizophrenia, and she suffers from a similar, though perhaps less severe lack of social skills due to biologic impairment of empathy. I will suggest to you the same thing I have suggested to her; the fact that you suffer an innate limitation in this area does not give you the excuse to give up on without trying to compensate, you can learn to think about what other's might feel and respond in an appropriate fashion. This cognitive empathy is certainly not as complete as full emotional empathy, but it can be developed sufficiently to allow success in social interaction. In spite of your obvious intellect, you, 'gawdoftruth,' appear to have put little effort into trying to compensate for your innate social impairment.
Consider your tone. On your face-book page you declare yourself a genius. In your post above, you declare you alone have all the answers and, unless everyone follows your lead, the movement will fail. Let's assume all this is true for a moment. Have you spent anytime studying leadership, team-building, participatory management, etc ? If you have, you must understand that your tone does not help you advance your ideas among men.
Please also consider whether the statements of genius and criticality to the movement are in fact reasonable. I'm sure you know that IQ measures only a certain type of mental ability and that there is no correlation between apergers and high cognitive ability. The issues we debate here are matters of men, and positions must include considerations of their nature. Is it possible the lack of empathy inherent to your condition limits your ability to have complete wisdom in the matters of men ? IQ tests can't measure this. In addition, the matters we discuss here are inherently uncertain due to the human/societal element, and no solution can be proven correct except in retrospect after implementation. Given that none of us can be so sure and the fact that you in particular suffer limitations in fully understanding your fellow man, how can you be so certain of your positions ? I am not saying you are wrong in any of your positions, I am only suggesting that all of us need to show humility.
Humility is not evident in any of your posts, your statements above, or your web-site. You have even chosen the name 'gawdoftruth,' and the link you provide shows your are busy trying to create a whole new world, just like a God. You seem to be eager for this world to fail so you can build the new world you desire. This new world is one of logic, and I ask you to consider whether this might reflect a desire to do away with the messy world we emotional men have created to make a new one that better aligns with your love of logic.
Your face-book page also says you are interested in psychology, so I'm going to step out on a limb here and ask you to do some self reflection. No judgment, just a request to reflect.
Is it possible you compensate for your lack of social skills and their impact on your self esteem via a corresponding increase in the esteem you ascribe to your intellectual abilities ? As noted above, IQ is not a complete measure and there is no correlation between your condition and improved cognitive facilities. You know this. Why then do you promote yourself as being so far above all other here in terms of intelligence? Is it possible it's a compensation mechanism ? I'm not saying one way or the other, I'm only asking you to use your mental ability, knowledge of psychology, and knowledge of your social impairment to consider whether this might be the case. Only you can answer, and if you conclude the answer to be "yes, it is possible," only you can apply the corrective bias.
I suggest you study leadership and team-building to try and better understand how you might more constructively spread your ideas. I also suggest you try and show some humility given the uncertainty inherent to the matters of men we discuss here. Finally, I suggest you combine humility with respect and learn to simply say, when you cannot reach agreement, "I suppose there is sufficient uncertainty in the underlying assumptions regarding human behavior that none of us can be 100% certain. On this topic, it appears we'll just have to agree to disagree." You might occasionally even say, "I hadn't thought of that" in deference to the fact none of us has thought of or knows everything. This simple statement is a sign of growth, learning, humility, and respect, and these traits will go a long way in helping you find acceptance for your ideas.
they bend the truth to suit their needs
Funny. This site was registered on July 14th, months before OWS protests started. This was planned long before OWS people even thought about it. You're being played big time people.
yep. why have they failed to put in sub forums? they like the signal to noise ratio on the noise side.
why don't they put up an on site wiki?
they like the signal to noise ratio on the noise side.
What must we do? bring up the signal to nose ratio. how can we do that? in troll combat town?
or...on the WIKI?
We would like to announce the Grand Opening of the Occupythiswiki.org Website. It is and will continue forever to be under construction, but there is now more than enough structure to organize and facilitate other efforts.
We would like to invite you there as a participant, and this is VERY important, PLEASE come to the wiki and become a Participant, or find people with whom you can network who have internet Access and get them to come to the Wiki to represent your end of the Network, and to keep you plugged into the process, and information regarding what is going on there.
This Wiki is CRUCIAL to the meaningful evolution of our species, It is CRUCIAL to human survival beyond this Century, and it is HOW all of WE can ever hope to give full and meaningful attention to the very LARGE NUMBER OF IMPORTANT ISSUES.
Please then, Consider what A General Assembly does for us. It is evolutionary, it is consensus and community building, it is 5 or ten minutes for you to speak live and in person and eye to eye and heart to heart with other people about the issue that matters to you. This is evolutionary, this is powerful, this is how we bring hundreds of years of knowledge thats being held back and hidden back from behind the veil; However, what we all know is that our personal important issue NEEDS MORE THAN THAT. It needs new laws written on its behalf. It needs open source research. It needs open source problem solving and democratic, consensus driven, direct democracy fueled problem solving process. If we gave each sub issue its own time and space to resolve inside of a GA, that would take WEEKS, or MONTHS or EVEN YEARS to iron out in a GA, PER ISSUE. How do we expand direct democracy fast enough, how do we accelerate direct democracy till its smooth as greased lightning instead of feeling stuck? How do we all come away from the GAs of next year feeling like our issue has been actually listened to and heard and resolved and addressed by the masses, instead of feeling like our own personal issue has been more or less ignored while some ego driven internal oligarch pressed ahead with organizing tens of thousands of people to do anything other than the WORK on the INTELLECTUAL LEVEL that CONSTRUCTS a REVOLUTION by means of a PARADIGM SHIFT... Instead of Demonstrating ourselves silly; But achieving still next to nothing and certainly not an end to Corporate Oligarchy, which has its plan to Co-opt the movement and make it work for the ELITES and oligarchs.
Please Consider carefully HOW we will build the NEW POSSIBLE WORLD. More important than HOW we will protest or WHERE, is the more fundamental Question of What does OUR NEW WORLD of DEMOCRATIC and CIVILIZED society Look like,(??!??) in terms of ITS ANSWERS and SOLUTIONS to EVERY high order problem. Only protesting but not doing that intellectual work, we can fail to have a revolution. The right order of the revolution should have been, First get mass educated, first form a new political party, first call for an article 5 Constitutional convention, and THEN once the message is 10,000 pages long and crystal clear , edited by ten thousand people with one person actually authoring a single page... about their core important issue to them...
THEN You'd take to the streets, THEN you'd start protesting, THEN you'd start occupying. The Occupy Movement put the cart before the horse. Okay, well, On a moving along and clear and present and how do we fix it note then, How do we DO THE WORK and get the Cart and horse in the RIGHT ORDER.???
There is a Giant Dam created by republican and democrat propaganda war dumble down and oligarchic control and intentional damage they have done to our so called educational system. 200 years of social and civil intellectual progress is being held back by 200 years of lies, spin doctoring, dumble down, and the simple meta function of keeping the public ignorant.
If you want then ONE SINGLE METHOD by which to END THE GAME. STOP BEING IGNORANT. Tell everyone and tell the world and stop running from the work, and crack open 1001 textbooks as a mob and then learn and only AFTER you have knowledge, TRY? TO USE KNOWLEDGE, not OPINION, to work and solve the problems. Everyone has to let go of their opinions, of their pet issues, of their biases, of their agendas, of their team sport ISMS and SCHISMS which are the bread and circuses THIS holy roman cathar empire uses to keep us divided and conquered and forever sequestered away from intellectual and thus spiritual Enlightenment.
Did anyone else stick a fork in their eye after reading a few sentences from this fucking retard? My God are all you OWS nuts this fucking stupid. What the fuck are you trying to say?
I heard it was going to happen, but of course, had no idea how big it was going to be. I just thought it was a bad idea to hold a protest on a Saturday because the cable news cycle wouldn't start until Monday morning.
Boy was I wrong.
lol. in for a penny in for a pound. red or blue pill? hold on to your slippers dorothy, because Kansas is going Buh-BYE.
This is from the garbage you linked:
The DAM MUST BREAK. The only question is whether we will have the sense to allow that to happen in a construtive and non violent way, or whether everyone on earth dies due to oligarchic corruption and malfeasance and negligence and Gross mismanagement of the Earth. Again, I entreat you, invite you, and incite you, to come join the revolution and make it happen on the WIKI.
You're an assdouche nutcase.
you attack me, prop up my thread, and make no argument, two add homs prove you to be trolling.
Yes, you finally figured me out....you third party deceiver little troll sock puppet....I've posted my thoughts for weeks on this forum just so I could attract little Stewies like yourself all in the hopes that I could reverse troll them.
You're so smart. I knew you couldn't be as smart as Dr. Burry.
You are an embarrassment to the high level of intelligence often found in those with Aspergers.
Perhaps you actually have Assburgers. You probably think that asphalt is a rectum disorder, don't you Stewie.
Since you have Aspergers, you probably think that all of this could be a joke and you're just not able to get it.
Well, you're wrong. You really are a Bruce Lee little troll who just needs to crawl back beneath you computer keyboard and die.
reverse troll them? hahahaha. that would require me to be the troll in the first place. So you have a troll plan, to troll people, who do the one thing you don't like, which is actually show people how to escape the matrix. so now you are going to troll me for pointing out the actual truth, and expose yourself and your entire idea as what they are; trollshit designed to control and intimidate and head game people.
as far as whos going to "die"? your credibility is dead now , its only time till everyone understands you to be a troll.
yes, it is my job to educate you, ad hom junkie. this is you" finding me"? oh, it hurts... oh.. oh.. pleeeeease.. don't hurt me any more... ....
I figured you out and flushed this turkey. you are a con scam co-opter trying to run a co opt con scam and this is meant to intimidate me.
Its not working.
every place you "find " me; you are exposed.
I know what is best for people. That they actually bother to self educate before trying to solve problems with opinions. That we meet human needs instead of operate by greed, and that we operate via ethics instead of minus them.
Yeah, i know that cuts you out. sucks to be you.
Yes. Everyone who reads me will say that he makes too much sense not to be a troll.
Only you and your little conspiracy theorists....all with 180 IQ's I'm sure....think that way.
Who tested you, your mother?
By the way, tell her I'm going to be a little late tonight.
Booooyyyyaaaaaaahhhhhh. And goodnight.
Everyone who reads you, who thinks for themselves, can see that this man is the stuff the media loves to pray on.
Thank you. I needed that right now. I dicked around on this forum for a few weeks and just messed with people who were saying outlandish things....pie in the sky stuff....but I began to think. And, right or wrong, I have tried to put things out there that may spark someone else or lead to serious thoughts better than my own. But, a little geek like this....and I've read his rather useless drivel...can spout off about someone being a pawn of a political party all the while that person...me...has provided a very achievable way for OWS to control a political party. It just defies logic.
Youth is not wasted on the young, it is just wasted.
Sorry Puff, you are FAR from the first person to think a method like that works. How else would these two parties have been around for the last 100 yrs, if not for the hope of the people that they can FINALLY get them to listen to them.
There comes a time when you must stop, reasses, and switch things up. Thats what Im doing. Im not playing with these two parties, these bands of clowns, anymore. The people behind the scenes dont let the honest rise to the top. Im not falling for it anymore.
How you can be as old as you are, and still think you can change them (how many elections is this now, 12? 24? 36?, is beyond me.
You don't change them unless you can realistically dethrone them. The only way to do that is.....not with a third party.....but, with the ability to defeat them in the next primary by fielding or supporting a primary candidate.
That is how the moderate Republicans were decimated by the religious right and neoconservatives.
It's a bare knuckles approach that requires a great deal of discipline with an organization.....but it is doable. I would love a third party, but I just don't think it will happen in my lifetime unless the Republican party fragments and leaves an opening.
Its close to happening. The gov from Nevada is thinking of running again. The Reformist party was a good attempt before, but never really understood the people, didnt have their fingers on the pulse.
The Dem party is already being decimated by the same powers, the neos, as evidence of the last 15 yrs of Democrat presidential and congressional policies.
If not now, when? If not you, to say fuck it, Im gonna give it a shot, then who? Im devoting myself to creating something that is once again representative of the people, and Im not wastin my time fuckin around with all these establishment fuddy-duddies.
If you went out on this journey, I dont see how you would be anything but proud of yourself for trying something that, quite frankly, many are too scared to do. You clearly have the passion, I think we have debated on probably close to 300 occasions on here :)