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Forum Post: OWS is not your personal billboard for your political candidate!

Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 9, 2011, 3:28 a.m. EST by moediggity (646) from Houston, TX
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You democrats and you friggin' libertarians listen up!

Your presidential signs are NOT WELCOME at the protest!

We do stand for ending the fed AND getting back at the banks and wallstreet,because only together can we all accomplish this.


This does not mean that you can start advocating a presidential candidate ON OUR BEHALF! This is as non-partisan as it gets and NEITHER SIDE has the right to co-opt our message by adding "Hey guys, vote for this guy, he loves freedom and he will fix things!" We know that both sides are full of shit and we are not interested in becoming your personal stepping stone to power. You are welcomed to stand with us and to lend us your voice.This is as much your movement as it is ours,but know where the line of good taste is. Thank you.



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[-] 2 points by jart (1186) from New York, NY 12 years ago


[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 12 years ago

True, it needs to be non-partisan, and although I'm all in favor of taking down today's ineffective and inefficient Top 10% Management Group of Business & Government, there's only one way to do it – by fighting bankers as bankers ourselves. Consequently, I have posted the Strategic Legal Policies, Organizational Operating Structures, and Tactical Investment Procedures necessary to do this at:




if you want to support a Presidential Candidate Committee at AmericansElect.org in support of the above bank-focused platform.

[-] 1 points by madfoot (52) 12 years ago

You're that annoying guy from reddit. Hey.

[-] 1 points by moediggity (646) from Houston, TX 12 years ago

only on r/libertarian....god I can't stand those guys

[-] 1 points by madfoot (52) 12 years ago

Then why keep going there?

[-] 1 points by moediggity (646) from Houston, TX 12 years ago

I just got caught up in a conversation that turned into a debate,that turned into an argument. That and I was trying to find out how libertarians actual feelings on matters were. All I seen were borderline extremist rhetoric that bordered on violent against OWS and thats when I started to take offense.

[-] 1 points by madfoot (52) 12 years ago

I've never seen violent rhetoric against OWS.

[-] 1 points by moediggity (646) from Houston, TX 12 years ago

yeah its normally deleted when reported dude.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

agreed fer sure!


to get serious requires a few things they don't have. like chat admins who aren't ego serving propaganda tools, a wiki, 1001 sub forums, an actual game plan, a straight up political platform... you know.. basic organizational things sane people do BEFORE protesting.. like figure out a diplomacy and logic centered metaprocess to give their chatadmins so that they don't really just drive out even more people than the trolls. Adminatrolla. trollaAdmin. Whats the difference to somebody whos got the truth facing a propaganda tool abusing admin powers to push their agenda? how can you prevent such a thing? Metaprocess. did i mention metaprocess? and science diplomacy science psychology science sociology and all those textbooks to read B4 protesting?

you can't have capitalism without a free(SLAVE) market. but you can have a free market without capitalism. And thats strangely the only way it CAN work.

Marketing 101 was fascinating. I admit thats a lot less than a bachelors but its sure more than enough to see whats really going on given the other things I know. Capitalism is not the problem since it does not exist. corporate oligarchy is the problem. capitalism has never been tried. I am a democracy guy. in order for real democracy to function a free market system is required. Thats not capitalism. thats a free market system. there is a subtle difference there which most people would miss. I will again repeat. Neither capitalism nor marxism nor communism nor socialism has ever existed. All of those governments were oligarchy pretending to be something as a con scam. Telling that simple truth gets one banned out of the Chat by either a capitalist or a socialist whos pissed you just said their pet ideology isn't real. It isn't. anybody who thinks that it is is accidentally playing for team corporate oligarchy as a tool. the ONLY system worth talking about is DEMOCRACY. how democracy HANDLES a FREE MARKET system is dynamic and interesting and NOT capitalism.

o. yes. no. yes. what? making change is not reliant on changing the money system one tenth as much as it is on changing the informational ecology. Going to a gold standard as an idea is a proof of ignorance, not a solution. Really the end game is we evolve out of money. To do that we evolve first new currencies and new economic strategies. this leads to economic singularity in about 50 years. If everyone is a millionaire how much you get depends on exactly the material valuation of that money. Which is to say that by the time money becomes obsolete everyone will live like the current millionaire. Tangible items to other tangible items? the real economy is about ideas, change the ideas and everything changes. the problem with the tangible economy is it does not change; its a static reality. you can't make a meaningful gold standard with only enough gold to represent on millionth of the economy. You can make a purely imaginal money system work; but it has to be subject to moral and ethical laws. This is about pinning down those moral and ethical laws and implementing them in new currencies; not trying to imagine a control freak impossible non solution because of the simplicity with which you go about thinking over the problem.

once again. there has never been a socialist or capitalist economy. in all instances such nations were oligarchies. using a mask and a con scam and telling their dupes and pwns that they were something other than oligarchy. the big hump to get over is that the USA oligarchy and the Soviet oligarchy are in on this lie against the rest of us TOGETHER. Neither of them was ever anything other than an oligarchy. both claimed some other system in order to have US fight over the ideals of THAT system while they secretly shafted us all playing a completely different game.



[-] 1 points by winklewankle (32) 12 years ago

We need to get rid of all semblance of organization under a party banner, and strike it from our midst, as it will only hurt the advancement of our myriad causes. Even if a candidate were to rise up and espouse every single value we fight for, we cannot visually support him/her as a group either as it will detract from our unity as OWS.

[-] 1 points by moediggity (646) from Houston, TX 12 years ago

Well, here's the thing about that right....I am talking about the current crop of scumbags in power right now. If one of our own came into being,then why can't we do that? If its one of our guys, I think that would be a good thing.

[-] 1 points by winklewankle (32) 12 years ago

Yeah, but think about it this way, each of the "occupy" movements will likely come up with their own guy, next thing you know, the movement ends up being as powerless as the constitution party.

[-] 0 points by EndTheFedNow (692) 12 years ago

While I am totally with you on this being non-partisan, a couple of observations:

You are not the boss of this movement, so don't act like it.

Libertarians are like cats - they won't be herded and they don't take orders. Very few of them are members of the Libertarian party and they all hate the left/right paradigm.

You are bound to hear the name Ron Paul come up and for good reason. He has introduced End the Fed legislation for years, and he wrote a book called END THE FED. He's an expert on the Fed and it's quite natural that the ONLY person in congress to have gone after them for his entire political career is going to come up in a movement of people who want to END THE FED.

[-] 1 points by moediggity (646) from Houston, TX 12 years ago

That doesn't give you the right or excuse to infiltrate the movement with your agenda. Keep your signs to yourself.

[-] 1 points by EndTheFedNow (692) 12 years ago

Infiltrate? Uh, I hate to break it to you but this is not your movement. It belongs to all comers. If people want the Fed ended, the person who has devoted so much time to spreading that message is a very relevant man.

[-] 1 points by moediggity (646) from Houston, TX 12 years ago

Ok I get that,really I do. The problem that I have is that, we are constantly having to distance ourselves from the democrats and the obama administration. Its hard for me and the rest of us to back a candidate that has the complete opposite view of what we are advocating(like the repealing of the citizens united case and the re-institution of the glass-steagall act.) I'm ok more or less with the good doctor...it just kinda makes the entirety of the movement look like hypocrites when we try to push out one side of the political spectrum and not the other,know what I'm saying?

[-] 1 points by EndTheFedNow (692) 12 years ago

Oh, yes, I do know what you're saying. I prefer to see this movement as totally apolitical and issue oriented. Even then, we have a lot of disagreement on the HOW of reining Wall Street and the banksters.

With respect to Citizens United, the problem for Ron Paul is that he favors the constitution and the 1st amendment, which is what the case addressed - freedom of speech. With Glass-Steagal, Ron Paul's position is for government and corporations (including banks) to be completely divorced. If a bank operates like a casino and they lose, tough shit - let them fail and NO BAILOUTS. This is why the conduct of investment banks has harmed the mass people - because of corporate socialism, or public risk for private profit. We the People were forced to become the holders of their toxic assets and pay off the gamblers. Naturally, Ron Paul fought against that. Just remember, there is more than one way to approach a problem and solve it. Ron Paul's way is to prevent government and corporations from having ANY relationship and to force the private sector to absorb their own losses. IOW, get to the root of the disease rather than treat the nasty symptoms.