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Posted 2 years ago on Oct. 9, 2011, 7:59 p.m. EST by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA
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General 1. Sociology is the study of groups of people, how they interact, how they create and hold group structures and group identities, how they band together, how they deal with conflicts, and everything that whole groups of people do. 2. Sociology studies social units such as families, packs, tribes, villages, cities, hives, herds, and mobs. 3. The precarious balance of true democracy is that society must balance social welfare and social support and services against the counterweight of free enterprise. If the balance falls off towards social welfare, the society falls into entropy as the government destroys private enterprise to fund social services. The result is socialism, which always decays into its own form of totalitarianism. If the balance falls off the other way, then free enterprise results in a plutocracy and then an oligarchy followed by mild oligarchic mercantilist fascism and then a severe oligarchic fascism. Socialism is not a whole goal or endpoint we wish to arrive at, but the system "as is" is out of balance resulting in a corporate oligarchy. The only way to fix this is to return the power back to the people and restore a genuine democracy. 4. Sociology understands that social phenomenon are very complicated, and that social problems have many underlying contributing causes for any given effect. Oversimplification, blaming, black and white thinking, and false dilemmas do not help to solve problems in a real way. 5. People are conditioned to behave by their social environment. Personal responsibility is important, but where statistics show a trend in negative or antisocial behaviors, Society as a whole must shoulder some part of the blame and work to improve conditions socially just as it works to rehabilitate the criminal, so should it seek to rehabilitate itself. 6. People have several layers of personal space, a psychological truth which is mostly subliminal, but which nonetheless governs almost all social interactions. People should learn to consciously understand personal space to cut down on miscommunication and stress due to problems handling personal space issues. 7. The best way to run a democratic system is by using consensus process to the point of a clear and overwhelming (two thirds) majority. Consensus process means talking about and working out issues and differences to arrive at a mutually beneficial compromise much of the time. 8. The best guardian of the balance between socialism and free enterprise is intellectual meritocracy. A functional society should be free of propaganda, should not have anti-intellectualism, and should consider ideas on their rational merit, not according to what others have to say or social pressures, but by means of a reproducible rational problem solving application of intelligence and knowledge.

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Types of Government; http://stutzfamily.com/mrstutz/WorldAffairs/typesofgovt.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/find_out/guides/world/united_nations/types_of_government/newsid_2151000/2151570.stm http://home.earthlink.net/~kingsidebishop/id2.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_of_government http://www.twyman-whitney.com/americancitizen/foundations/types_of_government.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_forms_of_government

Social Conditioning; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_conditioning http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operant_conditioning http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070406120833AAzVVlZ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_learning_theory http://www.dailyom.com/articles/2006/4952.html http://changingminds.org/techniques/conversion/social_psychological_conditioning.htm http://www.winthrop.edu/english/nosearch/core/social.htm

Pavlov; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Pavlov http://www.psyhist.com/conditioning.html http://www.sntp.net/behaviorism/pavlov.htm http://users.cwnet.com/phelps/pavlov.htm http://forerunner.com/forerunner/X0497_DeMar_-_Behaviorism.html http://tip.psychology.org/skinner.html http://www.brembs.net/operant/ http://psychology.about.com/od/behavioralpsychology/a/introopcond.htm


http://go.hrw.com/hrw.nd/arbiter/pRedirect?project=hrwonline&siteId=804&pageId=6362

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Introduction_to_Sociology

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociology

http://www.asanet.org/

http://www.sociology.org/

http://www.macionis.com/

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[-] 1 points by CHANTER (33) 2 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cbUAwCE7JVY#t=48s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxmtreWQoVs&feature=player_profilepage

This is a rather anonymous SONG-CHANT-RANT offering, that will hopefully unify our message on the streets. Imparting some basic historical information that has lead to the continued debasing of free forms of Government. Where a select group of power seekers never seem to have enough of anything, including us.This is a very serious time for the FREE Global Community, our only weapon is Martin Luther King's legacy. They further try to discredit us with accusations of not having a coherent message when their only endgame is to further in-slave us! Abusing others until there is only two classes the Haves and Have-Not's. we’ just not gonna’ take it no more we’ just not gonna’ take it no more we’ just not gonna’ take it no more

nothing’s been the same since jfk eisenhower warned us it would get this way a vast military-industrial-complex a vast military-industrial-complex

were out here to show the one percentors we’ just not gonna’ take it no more we’ just not gonna’ take it no more

oly norquist pledged most congress (oly’ = satire oliver north)
to his power lil’ oly’ norquist pledged most congress (piglet)
to his power

we’ know who you are were’ tired of our voices not counting

we’ just not gonna’ take it no more we’ just not gonna’ take it no more we’ just not gonna’ take it no more

were out on the streets to get our “countries” back

until foreign trade benefits---the 99%

were out on the streets to get our “countries” back

until foreign trade benefits---the 99%

were’ just not gonna’ take it no more were’ just not gonna’ take it no more were’ just not gonna’ take it no more

so, your’ spreadin’ democracy all over --the world your’ spreadin’ democracy all over --the world

it’s gotten’ so corrupt even we---don’t understand it!

so, your’ spreadin’ democracy all over --the world spreadin’ your’ democracy all over --the world

it’s gotten’ so corrupt even we---don’t understand it!

bring back our soldiers’s your cor-poor-et wars are all over bring back our soldiers’s your cor-poor-et wars are all over

were out here to show the one percentors we’ just not gonna’ take it no more we’ just not gonna’ take it no more

it’s too bad we hav-at spell it out but liars never listen they just -run their mouths

a thousand point of light all over the world

a new world order the bil-dah-burgers can go to hell

were’ just not gonna’ take it no more were’ just not gonna’ take it no more were’ just not gonna’ take it no more------

were’ just not gonna’ take it no more!

krw4u5@yahoo.com

[-] 1 points by LearnSomeHistory (58) 2 years ago

History is more important than Sociology if we want to learn how the real world works...

Social History and Economic History are very important tools to understand the world, and to change the world.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

not really true, but history is certainly an important thing. lets talk about that in a thread on history. sigh.

[-] 1 points by Gylliwyn (22) 2 years ago

Our government is seemingly in the realm of plutocracy and oligarchy. The beginning of the demise of total corporate control would be to take away their ability to monetarily fund what's remaining of our democracy. If that value is withdrawn from the playing field, then jurisdiction can be restored to allow intellectual meritocracy, which, as you mentioned could balance socialism and free enterprise. That would be a favorable beginning.

So why isn't this the main “cause” for Occupy Wall Street? From the few I have blogged with, they don't seem to have a coherent demand of what is needed to restore true democracy, or even if that is their cause. Many don't seem to have a cause because they don't understand the ideology of a functioning government. Thanks for trying to educate the masses.

What I am wondering is how we go about getting the money, propaganda and impending absolutism out of our present government so we can function with balance again! What is that next step?

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

the next and first step is forming the think tanks. occupying things is a very final stages step after you have a solid message to send and put forth. the horse before theapple cart or the apple cart before the horse, none of this makes much sense because in terms of rational process and order its jumping the gun without doing any homework. The mob is ignorant and unclued and usually still running on crack /meth ideology. We have to somehow pull their heads out of the matrix and put them into the work which is done to make evolutionary social change happen the ADULT way.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/thetruth-socialismcapitalismcommunismmarxism/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/capitalism-versus-corporatism/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/help-me-understand/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/capitalism-a-love-story/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/sociology/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/energy-101-solution/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/ethics/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/break-your-left-right-conditioning/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/nader-kucinich-and-paul/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/5-facts-you-should-know-about-the-wealthiest-one-p/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/teaching-the-occupation/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/this-forum-needs-structure/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-is-not-your-personal-billboard-for-your-politi/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/systems-theory-primer/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/organize-inform-take-action-effect-change/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/better-website-needed/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/stop-playing-the-devils-games/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/nonviolence-the-only-path/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-not-against-capitalism/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/this-is-not-about-political-stripe-it-is-about-bas/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/national-initiative-for-democracy/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/a-third-political-party-the-movement-of-the-middle/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/300-fema-camps/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-is-a-false-flag-operation/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-this-will-not-work/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/paradigm-shift-now/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/a-proposal-for-focus/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/stop-the-bullshit-posts-and-get-organized/

[-] 1 points by Gylliwyn (22) 2 years ago

Yes, I do see your point with the immaturity on the front line. I actually do, also, see some think tanks trying to emerge or at least those aware of the need for one. I understand there needs to be a cause before a demand is pursued. What, with your profound thoughts and knowledge, do you see as a step you would recommend to a think tank. Petitions? Initiatives? It would seem like to keep it legal would be to go the route of a document of sorts. But since Congress is in the pockets of corporations now, that may be futile. Although shame is still an option, as long as the media would go along. I will check out some of your websites and hope the more serious contenders will as well. So what else? This is the big question to me. I feel that the main cause is to get the money out of our government as mentioned for the reasons previously defined.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago
  1. first you just write textbooks.
  2. you wait until you have in essence a textbook done and then you ask the question to go one step deeper;

how does this science apply to assorted political issues?

(3)then, you write it one step deeper.

(4) Then you run democratic open source problem solving process, and decisions making, and all of that to be triple sure, (5) and then you write laws.

If your big issue then is money and how it influences government, your ammo is all of systems theory and game theory and economics and sociology and ethics and pscyhology for what the due function of money and a free market system is and how a good government works and how you keep the money in the market system and the government in the government system instead of having your money system take over your government.

IE; and, speaking from the level of expertise in those subjects... You have no idea what kind of intellectual nukes are waiting for you there to make those arguments till you go look.

It turns out that what your intuition tells you is right is also going to be even more true in science. Science knows exactly what and how this system works, why its dysfunctional, how it hurts, who starts with the pain, and why, and exactly what the truth is on how to make an ethical and functional modern government.

Science has those answers. First we have to step away from our agenda, and just get to the books. Then we have to follow through on where the truth takes us.

[-] 1 points by Gylliwyn (22) 2 years ago

Thanks for your insight but I'm afraid there won't be enough time; our economy will have imploded!

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

can be done in under two months. there is quite enough time. whats lacking is wisdom to see the true path of right action ; enough people have to wake up.

[-] 1 points by Gylliwyn (22) 2 years ago

Maybe your philosophy and sociology should become more defined into layman's terms so the masses could better comprehend. That could be a next step for you!

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

maybe people should join in and quit putting it all off on me.

[-] 1 points by Gylliwyn (22) 2 years ago

Accolades to you for your ubiquitous messaging and educating the masses out there. I've been conversing with many of them as well and conclude that most don't have concrete solutions because they don't know the history and aren't well informed of how the economy functions. I realize that if I speak of the issues that are important to them, on an individual level, maybe it will give them a bit more insight. I'm afraid most won't open the litany of resources you provide. But it never hurts to put it out there because influencing even one of the concerned disenfranchised 99% with facts is worth all your effort. Don't forget that!

I have found an articulate article that speaks in layman's term so the masses can understand how our economy plummeted to this wrongful state. Even if the economist's solution doesn't qualify for what all may hope for, at least he has a solution. The only thing I see missing from it is to get the money out of politics; perhaps it's a segment of one of the nine demands he lists.

http://www.truth-out.org/occupy-wall-street-movement-and-coming-demise-crony-capitalism/1318341474

So, keep up the good work but remember who the predominant audience is that you are trying to educate.

[-] 1 points by Markmad (323) 2 years ago

I am astounded to see these lunatics capitalist twisting logic to defend a vicious capitalism systems that did implode in its own mass due to excessive greediness. People do defend estrange points of view for the right to defraud others and the irony is they will never be able to take to the grave. It’s about time America is awakening to reality because these tyrants have gone undetected for so long and I hereby demand justice for what they did to me, my family and my property.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

yes, core fundamental knowledge to remember there is they only use "capitalism" as a con scam game in the rigged casino which is corporate oigarchy. The System we have; the rigged casino; is corporate oligarchy. Capitalism is just the game , like poker or black jack, that is played in the Casino.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/thetruth-socialismcapitalismcommunismmarxism/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/capitalism-versus-corporatism/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/help-me-understand/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/capitalism-a-love-story/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/sociology/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/energy-101-solution/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/ethics/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/break-your-left-right-conditioning/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/nader-kucinich-and-paul/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/5-facts-you-should-know-about-the-wealthiest-one-p/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/teaching-the-occupation/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/this-forum-needs-structure/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-is-not-your-personal-billboard-for-your-politi/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/systems-theory-primer/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/organize-inform-take-action-effect-change/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/better-website-needed/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/stop-playing-the-devils-games/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/nonviolence-the-only-path/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-not-against-capitalism/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/this-is-not-about-political-stripe-it-is-about-bas/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/national-initiative-for-democracy/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/a-third-political-party-the-movement-of-the-middle/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/300-fema-camps/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-is-a-false-flag-operation/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-this-will-not-work/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/paradigm-shift-now/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/a-proposal-for-focus/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/stop-the-bullshit-posts-and-get-organized/

[-] 1 points by ILikeDemocracy (66) 2 years ago

I appreciate your description of the balance between private enterprise and social services, as well as the need for consensus. I would suggest one goal to open the path to consensus:

One Common Interest: End Corporate Lobbyists

from there all these other issues can be raised, debated, and voted on based on our representative government weighted one vote per one citizen.

Corporate lobbyists serve the interests of perhaps 1 in 1,000 of us. with those numbers I can imagine an end to the practice. One issue, one focus nearly all of us will agree on that will open the door to all the other issues being negotiated with our common interest in the forefront. This is not an attack on capitalism. If corporate lobbyist money is taken out of the government, so too should go labor union money.

I think the next step in this process is for a single potent idea with broad support to emerge. Agree with ending corporate lobbyists? Post so here. have another idea you think will do the job? Post your idea and encourage others to post their agreement.

If one idea surfaces, it will eventually draw media coverage, people will eventually stop panning it as childish, consider the idea, and if it has broad appeal, it can create change.

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 2 years ago

Yes, rationality is needed, and although I'm all in favor of taking down today's ineffective and inefficient Top 10% Management Group of Business & Government, there's only one way to do it – by fighting bankers as bankers ourselves. Consequently, I have posted the Strategic Legal Policies, Organizational Operating Structures, and Tactical Investment Procedures necessary to do this at:

http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/on_strategic_legal_policy_organizational_operational_structures_tactical_investment_procedures

Join

http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/

if you want to support a Presidential Candidate Committee at AmericansElect.org in support of the above bank-focused platform.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

i think a paradigm shift is easier and faster than becoming bankers.

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 2 years ago

Becoming bankers is a huge paradigm shift for these, the other 99%, and it's the only shift that will address all their many grievances at the same time.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

an informational centered paradigm shift will address far many more things all at the same time by 3 orders of magnitude. Across the board.


to get serious requires a few things they don't have. like chat admins who aren't ego serving propaganda tools, a wiki, 1001 sub forums, an actual game plan, a straight up political platform... you know.. basic organizational things sane people do BEFORE protesting.. like figure out a diplomacy and logic centered metaprocess to give their chatadmins so that they don't really just drive out even more people than the trolls. Adminatrolla. trollaAdmin. Whats the difference to somebody whos got the truth facing a propaganda tool abusing admin powers to push their agenda? how can you prevent such a thing? Metaprocess. did i mention metaprocess? and science diplomacy science psychology science sociology and all those textbooks to read B4 protesting?

you can't have capitalism without a free(SLAVE) market. but you can have a free market without capitalism. And thats strangely the only way it CAN work.

Marketing 101 was fascinating. I admit thats a lot less than a bachelors but its sure more than enough to see whats really going on given the other things I know. Capitalism is not the problem since it does not exist. corporate oligarchy is the problem. capitalism has never been tried. I am a democracy guy. in order for real democracy to function a free market system is required. Thats not capitalism. thats a free market system. there is a subtle difference there which most people would miss. I will again repeat. Neither capitalism nor marxism nor communism nor socialism has ever existed. All of those governments were oligarchy pretending to be something as a con scam. Telling that simple truth gets one banned out of the Chat by either a capitalist or a socialist whos pissed you just said their pet ideology isn't real. It isn't. anybody who thinks that it is is accidentally playing for team corporate oligarchy as a tool. the ONLY system worth talking about is DEMOCRACY. how democracy HANDLES a FREE MARKET system is dynamic and interesting and NOT capitalism.

o. yes. no. yes. what? making change is not reliant on changing the money system one tenth as much as it is on changing the informational ecology. Going to a gold standard as an idea is a proof of ignorance, not a solution. Really the end game is we evolve out of money. To do that we evolve first new currencies and new economic strategies. this leads to economic singularity in about 50 years. If everyone is a millionaire how much you get depends on exactly the material valuation of that money. Which is to say that by the time money becomes obsolete everyone will live like the current millionaire. Tangible items to other tangible items? the real economy is about ideas, change the ideas and everything changes. the problem with the tangible economy is it does not change; its a static reality. you can't make a meaningful gold standard with only enough gold to represent on millionth of the economy. You can make a purely imaginal money system work; but it has to be subject to moral and ethical laws. This is about pinning down those moral and ethical laws and implementing them in new currencies; not trying to imagine a control freak impossible non solution because of the simplicity with which you go about thinking over the problem.

once again. there has never been a socialist or capitalist economy. in all instances such nations were oligarchies. using a mask and a con scam and telling their dupes and pwns that they were something other than oligarchy. the big hump to get over is that the USA oligarchy and the Soviet oligarchy are in on this lie against the rest of us TOGETHER. Neither of them was ever anything other than an oligarchy. both claimed some other system in order to have US fight over the ideals of THAT system while they secretly shafted us all playing a completely different game.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/stop-playing-the-devils-games/

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150343790359248&set=a.10150264906064248.348293.511989247&type=1&theater

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 2 years ago

Exactly, the end game is to evolve out of money, but first you must control that which you wish to evolve out of -- banks, currency, etc -- before you can alter evolution.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

first the information economy, then the physical economy, and then ephemeral economy, in that order. banking is ephemeral economy, it has nothing to do with anything substantive. So we need an information revolution, and then a physical revolution, and then a revolution around these ephemeral industries.

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 2 years ago

No, banking is the information economy. As the saying goes: "Money talks, bullshit walks". And I don't mean that meanly.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

no, banking is not information economy, information economy is things like how to build a micro chip. er. sorry you missed that point in economics 101

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 2 years ago

Now, now, don't resort to insults, that's a dead give-away that you're thinking emotionally, not logically. Don't get too caught-up in what they teach you in economics class, for they are the ones that lead us in this mess in the first place. Please just read the link I gave a little more closely first, and then don't reply in anger, like you did just now, because anger only impairs your judgment. Be like the Godfather -- never let them see any emotions like anger. Peace is the absence of emotion, and so is good judgement, so please, read the link closely, reflect, and then reply without anger.

[-] 1 points by gadflydigital (180) from Wantagh, NY 2 years ago

Peace, according to Buddhist doctrine, is not the absence of anger, but the ability to deal with it responsibly.

Logic is also a flaw. Logic can be used poorly for silly things like Social Darwinism and stuff. Not that logic is inherently bad, but that it's very easy to misapply. Just like emotions.

And, please, it's not like you aren't being all passive aggressive towards the other guy. Don't jump on the high ground unless you got a leg to stand on.

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 2 years ago

No one can control anger responsibly, so Buddhism is wrong on that one, because anger immediately impairs your judgement for as long as you hold onto it in any form. As for logic, there are Natural Social Laws just there are Natural Physical Laws, like the Law of Gravity. If you ignore the Law of Gravity, then it will destroy you. Likewise, if you ignore Natural Social Laws, like the laws I briefly describe in my link, then Wall Street, and their economists, will destroy you. As for the high ground, logic is justified by all those who apply it, and therefore try it, in experiments (or pilots), before they inevitably disprove it through further refinement. Therefore, I am asking you to experiment, and see for yourself, and THEN refine it.

[-] 1 points by gadflydigital (180) from Wantagh, NY 2 years ago

Anger is a Natural Emotional Law. We are all endowed with it, naturally. If you ignore it, then it will destroy you. Likewise, if you ignore Natural Logical Laws, such as saying "logic is justified by all those who apply it," and suggest that everyone applying logic will endeavor to apply good logic until logic's end, then you are dangerously close to being completely mistaken. Therefore, I am asking you to experiment, apply logic responsibly and see the ways in which logic is often applied irresponsibly even by those who have experimented ad nauseum. Then free yourself to experience emotions responsibly. See THAT for yourself, and then refine it.

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 2 years ago

Anger is a flaw in human genetic design that will eventually be corrected, so let's just agree to disagree on the usefulness of anger -- that is, you can hold your anger responsibly, while I let mine go, logically, the minute I feel it, because I know it's a flaw in our design that causes us to deceive ourselves. I did not suggest "people will endeavor to apply good logic until logic's end", but that is yet another flaw in human genetic design which will also be corrected.

[-] 1 points by gadflydigital (180) from Wantagh, NY 2 years ago

Well, someday when we become hybridized computer-humans, you will be very happy. I would have to decline the offer, however, since I have found that being a human is incomparable to any supranatural pleasure one could bestow. To be truly human is to be flawless.

I will keep my anger, for it makes me human.

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 2 years ago

I don't have to wait, I'm happy now because I always let my anger go the minute I feel it. As for being something else other than human, how would you know which is better without trying (or experimenting) both. Better to have a choice than no choice which is why I hope you join us at http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/ in order to have that choice, even if you don't want it, which is certainly your right.

[-] 1 points by gadflydigital (180) from Wantagh, NY 2 years ago

If you think that being human is flawed and needs altering, then by virtue of that sentiment you are unhappy.

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 2 years ago

Isn't it obvious that humans are flawed, and why should that make me unhappy if they are, for their flaw today are just a state of transition (or transcendence) from one stage to another, like all things in evolution. But okay, I'll offer you a joke, and then go to bed without any further reply: If humans are made in the image of God, then I pity God, but not how it must make God feel, in laughter, to watch what he created evolve.

[-] 1 points by gadflydigital (180) from Wantagh, NY 2 years ago

To feel flawed is to feel unhappy--because you are wanting for something. Want is a sign of unhappiness. Not sure how difficult that is to understand. It's pretty obvious.

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 2 years ago

Couldn't let you go, because this last statement the worst yet. You don't feel unhappy because you are flawed, you feel unhappy because you CHOOSE to feel unhappy. You choose; no one else chooses happiness for you but you.