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Forum Post: How to end the protest!

Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 11, 2011, 3:52 a.m. EST by aceanibal (63)
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All it takes is for one wealthy trader to blow out 100 dollar bills into the crowd and watch the riots begin. At the same time he'll be able to prove the point that he still owns you. LMAO capitalism i love it.



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[-] 1 points by thejunkie (50) 12 years ago

They want to continue using the drug but without the consequences or destructive symptoms. Junkies protesting for cheaper drugs and blaming the dealer for their suffering.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

very funny. won't play like you hope it would.








































[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 12 years ago

cool.... go for it ... :)

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

belch ash into the winter sky clouds from unregulated factories

until ice gather on the porous particles and falls as dirty snow

[-] 1 points by Poplicola (125) from Jersey City, NJ 12 years ago

David Walker, former US Comptroller General and chief of the GAO, warned before the 2004 election that if large economic changes were not made, by 2009 the United States and its taxpayers would not be able to afford the interest payments on the national debt. A study authorized by the US Treasury in 2001 found that in order to keep servicing the debt at its current rate of growth, by 2013 income taxes would need to be raised to 65%.

If the United States cannot afford to pay the interest on its debts, that would be the final stage of economic collapse and hence result in a total textbook bankruptcy. The systematic crisis would in turn spread to the rest of the world.

How did this happen? Why is the US national debt $14,819,350,000+? Of the 203 countries in the world today, only four (!) do not owe others money. The collective external debt of all the governments in the world is now above 40 trillion dollars and this number doesn’t include the massive about of household debt in each country.

The whole world is basically bankrupt. But how? How can the world as a whole owe money to itself? Obviously, it’s all nonsense. There is no such thing as ‘money’. There are only planetary resources, human labor and human ingenuity. The monetary system regulated by Federal Reserve is nothing more than a game… and an outdated and dysfunctional one at that. Those in positions of social power alter the rules of the game, at will. The nature of those rules is guided by the same competitive, distorted mentalities that are used in everyday “monetary” life, only this time the game is rigged at its root to favor those who run the show. For example, if you have 1 million dollars and put it into a CD at 5% interest, you are going to generate $50,000 a year simply for that deposit. You are making money off of money itself… paper being made from other paper … nothing more - no invention - no contribution to society – no nothing.

That being denoted, if you are a lower to middle class person, who is limited in funds, and must get interest based loans to buy your home or use credit cards, then you are paying interest to the bank, which the bank is then using, in theory, to pay the person’s return with the 5% CD! Not only is this equation outrageously offensive due to the use of usury (interest) to ‘steal from the poor and give to the rich’, but it also perpetuates class stratification by its very design, keeping the lower classes poor, under the constant burden of debt, while keeping the upper classes rich, with the means to turn excess money into more money, with no labor.

That reality aside, there are other games in the system which have worked for decades, but are just now starting to bloom into the inevitable mathematic disasters that should have been anticipated 100 years ago. The point is, our system is broken. Simple policy change will not solve our debt problem. We need to alter the governmental paradigm if we wish to repay our debt. First step: our government must fire the Federal Reserve Board.

[-] 1 points by aceanibal (63) 12 years ago

Does all this really matter if its true. Fact of the matter is, its a game. a game to keep people going to work and being productive so keep on producing. Wall Street is the best mechanism we have to decide what we are going to produce and the reward you get for producing. The problem now is that we do not need people to keep on producing what they produced in the past cause we have machines and chinese slaves to do it. So what that being said what alternative do you have to the capitalistic monetary system?

[-] 1 points by moediggity (646) from Houston, TX 12 years ago

Yeah it does matter if its true! What part of "economic collapse" and chaos do you not understand?

[-] 1 points by aceanibal (63) 12 years ago

lol for what a day? do you not understand the economic system calapsed like 3 times already since august. The way communication is twitter and Facebook as a whole we won't let it cal apse. So what if it tanks. That means i get to pay my mortgage and student loans faster. With the technology we have available to us today i.e. ATMs, Debit Cards. the transition will be quick. Trust me it doesn't matter how bad the economy gets people will buy the iPhone 5, 6 and 7. whatever currency apple employees except to go to work the next day will be our new currency. Hopefully wall street will be around to make that transition faster

[-] 1 points by moediggity (646) from Houston, TX 12 years ago

Omg, you actually believe that? lololol

[-] 1 points by aceanibal (63) 12 years ago

tell me why I'm wrong. Look how stocks in august and september tanked one day. Next day it was right back up. That has nothing to do with the government. That has to do with realizing that the true value in our society comes in forms of US corporations and not in gold or any another asset. Gold has value cause we as a people give it the value. The sophisticated communication tools we have in place to day i.e. twitter makes this possible.

[-] 1 points by moediggity (646) from Houston, TX 12 years ago

have you not been paying any kind of attention the last 3 months? You don't make your money back from 3 weeks down even if you have one good day up. Jesus, and you have the nerve to lecture anyone about the stock market?

[-] 1 points by aceanibal (63) 12 years ago

Oh yes i have been playing close attention for the last 10 years and i made a ton of money buy investing in companies that reduce waste and offer their products at a lower cost and better quality. Unfortunately and as cruel as it sounds we live in a time were the waste from companies are in the form of human labor.

[-] 1 points by moediggity (646) from Houston, TX 12 years ago

So to sum up what you are saying is this: The companies are wasting their time hiring people. And yet, you come onto here bitching about people bitching about being unemployed? WOW......is the term hypocrite in your vocabulary?

[-] 1 points by aceanibal (63) 12 years ago

Here is a few examples; Google, Apple, Microsoft, Twitter, Facebook, are all striving. Volkswagen has a manufacturing plant that only employs 3 engineers. That's it that is all they need is 3 people to monitor the fully automated car plant. Here's a financial tip, buy Bank of America as they fire tons of worthless employees and get rid of their non profitable customers they are also pouring tons of money into their Website BankofAmerica.com which is the most sophisticated online banking website that can virtually do everything without having to deal with one human being. Thats the companies of the future.

[-] 1 points by aceanibal (63) 12 years ago

Face it the day's of small business providing an essential need is over. If you do not own a restaurant, salon, or a business that provides an entertainment purpose i.e. retail (malls are now for entertainment then actually buying stuff you need) then you will sooner or later fail. Even now if you have one of these business you will need to rely on Groupon to give you the competitive edge you need and let people know that you even exist.

[-] 1 points by Poplicola (125) from Jersey City, NJ 12 years ago

Some say real free-market economics is the best system, although we've never really seen what that looks like. The Federal Reserve squashed any hopes of a free-market economy. In my opinion the most innovative, necessary, and implementable solution is a resource based economy.

Project Earth: A Resource Based Economy Explained http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDhSgCsD_x8

If you love capitalism, but hate the Federal Reserve, ask yourself this: if the current market is a failure, how can you erase the world's debt? We in the US owe the world everything. Not only are we indebted to the world literally, but we, the leaders of the free world, have been leading the destruction of the environment for how long? Do we not owe it to the world to fix it? We have much of the world's resources, we have the greatest education system in the world, what are we doing wrong?!?! Why do we not take it upon ourselves to construct a sustainable global economy that is based on the natural resources of the planet and use this global economy the repay our debt to the world? I know people love to fantasize about the wealthy and powerful America, but listen, we're indebted to the world! Time to grow a pair and pay the world back. And I know, a resource based economy is “Communist” and “Utopian” STOP ASSIGNING MEAINGLESS WORDS TO IDEAS. The system is a resource based economy, and it is neither communist nor utopian. The system is a resource based economy, and it is neither communist nor utopian. This is an economic system which should not be confused with a political system.

[-] 1 points by aceanibal (63) 12 years ago

I have seen and heard all about this system. The problem is the transition. I fully agree this system can and will work. The technology first needs to be developed and thats what president obama is doing. High speed rail, ramping the internet speed, solar panel deals, electric cars, online banking. Expanding Education. People need to be slowly transitioned into this system it won't happen over night.

[-] 1 points by aceanibal (63) 12 years ago

Obama extended unemployment benefits for 2 years thats 2 years of free school! and then 2 more years you can take out student loans. People can become smarter and invent the best way to transition to this system. We have to promote the path to education and the path technology to get to your utopia

[-] 1 points by Poplicola (125) from Jersey City, NJ 12 years ago

This system will not happen under a fractional reserve banking system. You understand that? Our economy is unsustainable. A resource based economy is modeled to be optimally sustainable and efficient. Tell me that's what President Obama is doing.

[-] 1 points by aceanibal (63) 12 years ago

yea and it will definitely not happen with a peaceful revolution a lot of people will have to die! or we need to do some north korea shit to the whole world! it will be complete chaos

[-] 1 points by aceanibal (63) 12 years ago

before you get to that utopia people (baby boomers) who do not trust technology will have to die(hopefully is naturally). Then my generation 25+ will have to keep on innovating at the pace were going (we need education and motivation and right now money is the best motivator) then my kids will need to be able to understand technology better then i do, and trust me they will. Then they have to be fed up with all the debt we left their generation. Then Maybe we can talk about transitioning from the monetary system. Fact of the matter is we are not ready. Let's create a temporary solution t'll we are ready

[-] 1 points by aceanibal (63) 12 years ago

Plus my generation is psychology moving away from monetary symbols to replace are status in life. We have Facebook now to provide us our social status. So we are moving at the right pace. We no longer demand to have the best newest car which is why the car industry is struggling. We appreciate innovation which is why apple is doing so well. Plus we have to keep on promoting technology to make our life easier. All which is happening right now. Hopefully i have enlightened you. please continue with your message for i do believe in it. Just be a little more realistic on how exactly we are going to accomplish that.

[-] 1 points by aceanibal (63) 12 years ago

Wall street tells us all of this and we need it now so don't fight it join it. BTW you think president obama or people on wall street never seen zeitgeist it has millions of views.

[-] 1 points by realcarrera (53) 12 years ago

That's true. Fire the Federal Reserve Board. Ok. Let's get ready to live like a third world country for a while. The only solution is to RESET THE DEBT. THATS IT! And that will have it's a atrocious consequences as well.

[-] 1 points by Poplicola (125) from Jersey City, NJ 12 years ago

Take into consideration market conditions are worse than before the Great Depression. We've never seen such a failed economy. The Federal Reserve will not keep this economy afloat.

[-] 1 points by realcarrera (53) 12 years ago

It's not that bad. It's 2011 not 1932. It could be worse and it might get worse but saying that market conditions are worse than before the Great Depression is too extreme.

[-] 1 points by Poplicola (125) from Jersey City, NJ 12 years ago

I'm sorry, I don't want to sound pessimistic and egotistical but you're wrong. I have a deep understanding of the financial markets and no, we are not in 1932, we're in 1929. Economic conditions are much, much worse than before the Great Depression. Greece will fall. Italy will fall. Portugal will fail. It's the domino effect and we are the last domino waiting to get hit.

[-] 1 points by realcarrera (53) 12 years ago

I respect your opinion. Worst case scenario. It collapses, we rebuild. What do you think? Not musch else to do. It's a system designed to collapse.

[-] 1 points by Poplicola (125) from Jersey City, NJ 12 years ago

Exactly why we the people need to put our brains together and think of an innovative way to pay off our 14.8 trillion dollars of debt. The world will not forget.

[-] 1 points by realcarrera (53) 12 years ago

We can get taxed highly for a few years with the promise of the government to use the funds appropriated to pay the debt. However even this is too extreme. It'll incite more revolution.

[-] 1 points by Poplicola (125) from Jersey City, NJ 12 years ago

I recently posted a forum:


Perhaps it might be helpful to understand how this could be implemented in the US

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 12 years ago

That might work if wealthy traders were willing to offer money to stop a protest. In addition to being selfish, most traders are also stupid, in that they don't believe activists can ever accomplish anything -- despite past evidence to the contrary.

[-] 1 points by aceanibal (63) 12 years ago

Im really not that cruel, but it would be hilarious you have to admit.

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 12 years ago

Not really. I don't think it would even do anything. It might create a little hubbub for an hour or so and then end up as a news clip everyone forgets a week later.

[-] 1 points by Neruda9 (54) 12 years ago

We could use the funds to continue the protests!

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 12 years ago

Now THAT would be funny :)

[-] 1 points by aceanibal (63) 12 years ago