Forum Post: Occupy Wall Street Basic Model Proposal and No it's Not a Zeitards RBE.
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 5, 2011, 12:27 a.m. EST by planday
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I've listen to the occupy wall street broadcasts for a bit and a lot of what Occupy Wall Street is asking for is a little bit of everything from problems with the bail out, to problems about the war, to various other problems.
I think the problem is that one may think that their voices are not being heard by the politicians when these decisions are being made at which I propose their should be what I would call a Globally formed Party. A Global Party which could be called "The Peoples Party" Is not a country based party but as the name suggest it's a globally based Party.
The People's Party would be composed of everybody that lives on this earth and the point of this party is to represent everyone on this Earth. For instance this party could be involved during the American Presidential election by holding a separate possibly online voting poll. This hypothetical voting poll for America's presidential election would allow for anybody to vote in it including people from other countries. Discussions could occur among other things over this and as a whole everybody could get a better perspective on the presidential election as well as other things.
This party would also get into exposing and handling of corruption on any level including the local level. It seems conspiracy theories spruce mainly because their isn't a lot of say into something therefore it must be a conspiracy us. Wikileaks to an extent would handle high profile cases but I don't think that's good enough for true democracy, I think lower level cases can add up to something just as important as high profile cases. Therefore I would advocate that a website be setup maybe based conceptually off craigslist, where people can report corruptions in their place of work. Places like walmart would be put into their own category for people to report their abuses to and a department within "The Peoples Party" would call these people up for more information to verify their claims as well as processing this to be potentially court bound. By doing this if their is a corporation that continues to violate peoples right we can potentially lump the people it did the same violations to within one group for a bigger grievances.
No one within the peoples party should be paid for the work they do but donations are acceptable as a peoples party committee will be formed to handle and process the money as based by a consensus decision amongst involved members.
The Peoples Party will make all actions transparent or open source meaning every decision the people's party makes will have been known by anybody who wants to get involved as well as voted upon by ones involved. Awareness of such policies being voted upon within The Peoples Party will be of up most priority as well as addressing any problems with the policy as well through possibly a consensus decision making but possibly involving other methods such as Participatory Economics as well.
The Ultimate goal of "The Peoples Party" is to be as democratic as possible giving each person who wants to get involved a chance for a say. The Peoples Party more importantly will be looked at by all politicians on a global level and if a problem arises that deems our attention within a country we shall protest with a global voice as well as support as needed. The People's Party will be a reminder to the political leaders of this world that their is a entity out their that will standup to any injustice when it occurs. The Peoples Party down the line can also influence policy if need be when their is none about a particular issue depending on the consensus reached with the people.
To form the People's Party their will need to be a temporary starter committee started up to propose a plan to the public on how the peoples party should be implemented. I think right now it is important to maintain, get awareness, and start developing a model to work from while dodging the police sticks.
This is just a basic model of The Peoples Party so it can be ironed out but I have to say I think it's way better than RBE and it's doughnut cities. I just purposed a model that's better than a Resource Based Economy, I expect all the Zeitards to jump aboard or shut up now because democracy is way better than their communistic Utopian RBE which is not based on science or has anything to show for itself for the 5 years TZM as been spamming conspiracy's theory's and RBE on the internet.
Correct, "I think the problem is that one may think that their voices are not being heard by the politicians"
They are not being heard because it is a confused chaos that has no demand based in a clearly articulated LAW. Most of what television America hear sounds like socialism. There has been a campaign to severely limit Americas awareness of their FIRST CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.
Article V of the US constitution is our first constitutional right. It is a specific goal that can include all issues. When 34 states apply for an article v convention, and congress fails to convene delegates, the military will step in and force government to be constitutional.
Yes, and it will take Article V to do that if that is going to be the way it goes. I think IF this movement can focus on the obviously dominant existing laws, and invoke them specific to be able to vet its many demands first, (see my page on revising the First Amendment in the beginning so we can share info and form opinion informally.) http://algoxy.com/poly/meaning_of_free_speech.html then educate ourselves and align our opinions with facts as well as we can between the peoples of each states, then the state, and WE HAVE JUST RATIFIED an amendment.
NOW, all government must change their act to become constitutional
Enforcing the existing laws will go quite away to meeting some demands. Ending laws that favor corporations that will not ever be sustainable will help. Seeing that war is never conducted outside the constitution. The federal reserve and economy obviously needs constitutional regulation, perhaps just enforcing what is there will do however from what I've learned. Corporate person hood can be dealt with. Everything we need done can be done through an article v. convention.
wow I actually agree with that! Good job man! I think having political party on a global level will be a good thing for this world. It be a watching eye on what goes on and when something goes on that doesn't gel well with the majority the peoples party can protest and break free from our roles as workers. As army personnel get paid even if they have to break away from work to fight for our country so should civilians when they need to fight for our country be it protest or what have you.
Hmmmm, you've suffered a major cognitive failure or are challenged by reading. The distortion of "political party on a global level" is ERRONEOUS, in fact opposite.------
Logically, only the US government would be effected by amending the US constitution under Article V.
Yeah I actually agree with that man. We need a global party at the global level!
Okay, we needed somebody to just outright misrepresent information in comment to more fully exemplify cognitive infiltration techniques.-----
Hey, if government can do it with allegations of lawsuits, while judges accept it, you are fitting right in:)
we do need a new third party, a transnational party is a can of worms.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/corporate-oligarchy/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/thetruth-socialismcapitalismcommunismmarxism/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/capitalism-versus-corporatism/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/no-war/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/help-me-understand/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/capitalism-a-love-story/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/sociology/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/energy-101-solution/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/ethics/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/break-your-left-right-conditioning/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/nader-kucinich-and-paul/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/5-facts-you-should-know-about-the-wealthiest-one-p/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/i-am-homeless-joe-jp-morgan-chase-accidentally-for/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/can-we-end-the-fed/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-end-the-federal-reserve-and-what-do-you-replac/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/where-are-we-and-how-do-we-move-forward/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/things-wall-st-did-were-not-illegal/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/teaching-the-occupation/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/this-forum-needs-structure/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-is-not-your-personal-billboard-for-your-politi/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/systems-theory-primer/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/organize-inform-take-action-effect-change/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/better-website-needed/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/stop-playing-the-devils-games/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/nonviolence-the-only-path/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-not-against-capitalism/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/this-is-not-about-political-stripe-it-is-about-bas/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/national-initiative-for-democracy/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/a-third-political-party-the-movement-of-the-middle/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/300-fema-camps/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-is-a-false-flag-operation/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-this-will-not-work/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/paradigm-shift-now/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/a-proposal-for-focus/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/stop-the-bullshit-posts-and-get-organized/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/suggested-goals/
When I say transitional group formed it's only temporary and it's design is to get everybody involved in coming up with the basic design of the global party where everybody yes THE WORLD can get involved and this party would be called the peoples party.
giant meta entities always end up treating human beings like ants.
the only thing that needs to be done it put the power the create and regulate money back in the hands of the people where it belongs. no need for new parties or to change peoples mind. power to create and regulate the value of money back to the people. Very simple and agreeable to all people except communists and NWO supporters
The Ultimate goal of "The Peoples Party" is to be as democratic as possible giving each person who wants to get involved a chance for a say. The Peoples Party more importantly will be looked at by all politicians on a global level and if a problem arises that deems our attention within a country we shall protest with a global voice as well as support as needed. The People's Party will be a reminder to the political leaders of this world that their is a entity out their that will standup to any injustice when it occurs. The Peoples Party down the line can also influence policy if need be when their is none about a particular issue depending on the consensus reached with the people... I guess no one noticed the GOVERNMENTS do not have to listen to the people if they choose not to...
I don't think you understand why the RBE isn't up and running right now.
Not enough people are aware of the many causes of the corruption, let alone the possibilities available to solving them.
And while I understand your love for democracy, democracy relies on opinions. It waits for mistakes to be made before correcting them. So you are entitled to your opinion but in the end the scientific method > opinions.
We need evidence based decisions directing society to sustainably and abundantly provide people access to their needs.
To do this, as you mentioned exposing corruption is necessary. Informing people on what is possible is also necessary.
We have a tremendous number of technologies which we currently rely on. All an RBE does is integrate many of these technologies for social concern.
So yes, The Resource Based Economy relies heavily on technology to provide abundance but it also depends on the voluntary participation from individuals. If either of these can't be met then a RBE can't be created hence, the emphasis on educating people on what is possible.
If you are able to single-handedly bridge the entire world with your attitude, kudos to you, but keep in mind we are all working towards the same goal of creating a post scarcity society.
so I voluntarily choose to lay on the sofa and watch tv and play X-box someone will still feed me and give me a nice house to live in right?
Not someone, robots. :P http://technabob.com/blog/2011/10/06/pr2-robot-fetches-sandwiches/
But eventually even you'll get bored enough to leave your sofa because a tremendous number of entertaining technologies exist which you probably haven't even heard of.
Who is going to build, service and maintain these robots, Henry Orbit?
Machines can be designed to be self-maintaining. Also, volunteers make and design robots all the time for fun right now.
But the primary means is through automation technology. Think of car production lines.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKnXWMPbCyc
I suppose people like to program these things for fun too. Also who will volunteer get out of bed at midnight in the middle of winter and go to the sewage treatment plant and chip the ice off a frozen robot? Not to mention that the sewage treatment plant is now full of sewage because of the back up caused by the frozen robot. the spill exacerbated by the fact no one was there "volunteering" to monitor things at the sewage treatment plant. Dude this is the real world you got to think things through. there is no reset button on real life.
You don't get it. The entire city must be pre-planned and designed to account for these problems before implementing it. If it is self maintaining with multiple backup systems there is little chance that kind of crises will occur. The whole point of a RBE is applying the scientific method to social concern.
So testing is mandatory prior to implementing.
In the offchance this type of crises would occur. If you lived in an abundant society where all your needs were met, and so few forced responsibilities that you could sit on your couch all day (if desired) a sewage problem would qualify as a crisis. And in times of crisis people respond accordingly to fix the problem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwJaLFMf7IA
But I understand the concern. It's basically "who would be dumb enough to volunteer their time without getting something in return?" and "how can we possibly use technology to handle task (insert task here)"
Again, I point to the people that truly give a damn about others and enjoy contributing their efforts for the good of society.
As for the reset button. I agree, getting from this scarcity-based society to a post-scarcity society will require a ton of work and a completely different mindset in approaching social problems.
so all the planing and design gets done by volunteers and the robots do all the constructing and transportation of materials so the get the work done. It all makes sense to me now. yea i totally get it maan.. what the hell was I thinking.
Wanted to say that this thread has no affiliation with occupyparty.org. That party looks to be just for the united states and isn't really cleared as a global party. It seems to be full of Republicans, Ron Paul and tea party supported which are groups I'm not fond of.
Occupy Wall Street is all about being global because the entire world is affected so occupy party shouldn't be limiting itself to just the united states.
My Peoples Party model is all about being around all the time for the people and not just around every 4 years when a presidential election occurs. It's made as a gesture to help people 24/7 all the time around the world to help them fight injustice wherever it may be. It's the 99% functioning as one unit that can be called to help in a unified and global event if need be that is not controlled by the government but by the people themselves as to be a reminder to the government as to it's priorities being with the people.
Oh my mistake, i did not realize OWS was here to move us quickly to the new world order/ one world government consolidation of power into one party so called. Sure then the global money changers/ international bankers would not have to expend too much energy and wealth to control the obviously ignorant workers. power should be spread out as wide as possible. The federal farmers of the anti federalist papers were against consolidation of power. and look where federalism got us.
Lifestream I think a global party is the answer and a RBE is a form of communism that won't work. When you say share resources and things of that nature that is communism, when you say your against money therefore a RBE will have no money. Did you know communism was originally intended to be without money. Lifestream I'm proving to people that you don't know what your talking about and showing to these people that your belief is not on fact or any type of critical thinking it's mainly based on a dogma belief system which has started within the zeitgeist cult movement.
Tell me what false evidence I have typed out here?
RBE is for gullible suckers it's not realistic, it's not based on science. I'm sorry but you have been tricked.
My global Party system works, it's democratic, and it helped everybody out on a global level a RBE on the other hand is a joke for suckers.
You know why they don't have anything to show for themselves? Because of people like you. an RBE is much different from what we have now and for people to embrace it they have to understand it. For you to label them communistic and Utopian(In the same sentence, lol? Troll) just tells me you haven't done your research. The Internet is the greatest tool the public has right now, and part of what TZM has been doing is gaining a following through the internet so people can understand it before they go building anything or carrying out large scale projects. Also because for an RBE to work, the current economic system kinda has to..FAIL. Which is what is happening now. The powers that be do not want to lose their power and they will not let the notion of anything related to an RBE get much momentum because, of course, they do not want this to materialize. Take a step back and look at the bigger picture of what's going on before you slander TZM.
To respond to this statement when you say "You know why they don't have anything to show for themselves? Because of people like you." I have to disagree it's because you respond to people like me all day because you know that the critics who crisize your cult are right and you don't won't to see the truth because it would hurt your now dogma based belief system. Stop attacking your critics and actually prove us wrong by doing something other than attacking the critics by attacking us your proving to your critics and to the people outside you don't have anything besides attacks.. If you don't have anything then maybe you should for example prove a RBE work rather than pedaling Peter Joseph Merola's Zeitgeist Movement conspiracy crap movies to people.
See if your actually doing something you wouldn't be attacking you'd know the critics are full of it but you attack because you know we speak the truth. We meaning everybody that can critically think and doesn't buy into everything.
We don't haven't had a chance to do anything yet, it's all in the facts if you would even care enough to get them straight. And attacks? You attacked them first. I'm just responding with relevant information. You've yet to tell me how an RBE wouldnt work, and I've told you how your Global Party Model won't work.
I just told you how a RBE wouldn't work people would hack the RBE computer mainframe to get more resources than they should in that communistic fictional society and a few people would collect a few things not everybody had therefore if someone wanted tat unique thing they would have to trade a lot to get it as the person with the unique object to anything they wanted to.
Lifstream, you've had 5 years to do something and all you have to show is movies made by Peter Joseph Merola... How did I attack them first? I got my facts straight your facts on the other hand are not based on logic or reason but are based on dogma.
I know why you think a global party wouldn't work and that's because your against money. Tell me why you are so anti-money? I think money is a good thing but it can be used to do good or bad things we need to have a system they gives more of a say where are money goes I've even suggested a Participatory Economics as a way to conduct business among other things.
Troll people nothing to see here
Yes if a troll means anybody that has critical thinking skills that disagrees with TZM RBE then a troll I am in TZM terms but to the rest of the populace this is called critical thinking not a dogma based belief system your typical zeitgeister is in.
Lifestream If we didn't have a democracy like the one we have today your TZmer people wouldn't be able to do the stuff yuo do today. If we went along with your communistic ideas then in your communistic RBE TZMer cult future if someone had a problem and needed to start a TZM conspiracy group they would get shutdown in a communistic society. See in a democracy we allow cult groups like TZM to conduct their business as far as speech without the need to shut them down because in fact we're a democracy the very thing TZM is preaching against. Democracy is a good thing it allows peoples voices to be heard, that is something that can't occur in a communistic society this is why my global party model will work and why a RBE besides the fact it is unrealistic and won't work any way needs to be shot down on communistic ideals alone.
no see I just showed you a model that's way better than a RBE. My Global Party Model works as of right now and is way better than your RBE and it's been proven because in a way it's based off a political party concepts just on a global level. I'm not slandering I suggest you look up what slander is in a dictionary, it's a communist utopia. Did you know that Peter Joseph Merola thinks all of his critics are paid by the government to talk bad about him and his movement. If TZM is all about peace how's come Peter decided to spot in the Venus project face and cut them out of being promoted by TZM? TZM has issues it's just a bad idea...
Calling us zeitards and stating false information would be labeled as slander. Your global Party Model will fail if it involves any type of currency whatsoever, just so you know that right now. That's really all I have to say to disprove it.
You are zeitards and your deserving of the title. When a group goes around the internet acting like bots spamming their ideology that's not based on science to people claiming it's science then I have a problem with it and are of course deserving of the title. When a group is the main influence for a person like Jared Lee Loughner to to do the shootings he did, then that group deserves to be called a zeitard. It's not slander it's the truth, if you have a problem with, then do something about it...
I can't discuss with you because your already bought in sold into a no money utopian communist pipe dream which is called RBE and you've been brain washed because your in the Zeitgeist Movement cult so having a rational discuss with you is not going to happen however a RBE will not work because it will have different forms of corruption such as someone hacking into the central computer resource giving mainframe to allow them to get more resources than others and people could collect unique items that others want and not give them to those other people without a high price.
You've not disproved anything of the peoples party because you know this would work. You really need to come to reality and ditch the cult dogma belief system of TZM RBE.
Exactly. An RBE is the solution and I'm going to make this known, despite any trolls who may want to step in my way. It's not communism, it's no ism whatsoever. You're just helping me convince people by stating apparent false evidence.
I think a global party is the answer and a RBE is a form of communism that won't work. When you say share resources and things of that nature that is communism, when you say your against money therefore a RBE will have no money. Did you know communism was originally intended to be without money. Lifestream I'm proving to people that you don't know what your talking about and showing to these people that your belief is not on fact or any type of critical thinking it's mainly based on a dogma belief system which has started within the zeitgeist cult movement.
Tell me what false evidence I have typed out here?
RBE is for gullible suckers it's not realistic, it's not based on science. I'm sorry but you have been tricked.
My global Party system works, it's democratic, and it helped everybody out on a global level a RBE on the other hand is a joke for suckers.
I think a global party is the answer and a RBE is a form of communism that won't work. When you say share resources and things of that nature that is communism, when you say your against money therefore a RBE will have no money. Did you know communism was originally intended to be without money. Lifestream I'm proving to people that you don't know what your talking about and showing to these people that your belief is not on fact or any type of critical thinking it's mainly based on a dogma belief system which has started within the zeitgeist cult movement. RBE is for gullible suckers it's not realistic, it's not based on science. I'm sorry but you have been tricked.
My global Party system works, it's democratic, and it helped everybody out on a global level a RBE on the other hand is a joke for suckers.
This reeks of the globalist bankster agenda. Let's focus on our own problems for now. I think we all recognize there are plenty of things to deal with stateside without trying to coordinate with the rest of the world.
What are you talking about? "globalist bankster agenda" sounds like a conspiracy theory to me... Not everything is a conspiracy theory, anyways from what i'm getting from Occupy Wall Street video is that they would like for this to be a global event so a global Party started up in unison of this event seems like a rational idea to me but somehow thinking it's a "globalist bankster agenda" is definitely a person who lacks critical thinking skills to see the bigger picture or in short is a conspiracy theorists who believes and promotes conspiracy theories and should probably overlook this thread if they or anybody else can't speak in this reality.