Forum Post: Media Brainwashing...
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 10, 2011, 9:40 p.m. EST by Mitch333
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We are witnessing corporate brainwashing by mass media. The Occupy Wall Street movement is comprised of people from a/All walks of life. 48% are not liberals or communists. I am not. Far from it. The lies being spread are due to how worried Wall St is getting. The People have very specific demands and we will win if the 99% get involved and take action. Or we can just "see how it goes" and give the Obama Camp of global socialists (this includes the republican party too) four more years and continue to trust a system that stacks the cards against you year after year until there is nothing left. If you want change, get involved. Make your voice heard. The nature of Occupy Wall St is to be fluid and evolving, leaderless in a sense, but the majority voice (and needs) will prevail. That 51% can join the liberals for a bigger purpose and sort out the details later. Just thinking out loud....
Concerned American Citizen. M.
p.s. Personally I am happy to see this movement grow without the support of the mass media. This is amazing if you think about it. Will it work? Stay tuned..
From what i have seen, they havent a clue of what we are so call us what ever they want. We should send the media a note:
" It has become apparent that much of the mainstream media is having difficulty with labeling us. We have been called everything from the far right to the far left. From hippies to just kids. We thought we would help those of you out that are struggling with this, since investigate reporting seems to be difficult in today's society. We do not like labels. Labels is how the corporations and politicians have continuously drove us apart and caused us to fight each other, while they sap the very life from the people that makes this nation function. If you feel the need to label us, then you can use a fitting label for all of us, " The Wrath of Democracy.""
We are the 99% not enough?
It is but you have to admit "The Wrath of Democracy" is more intimidating to the corporations and politicians. Like Bush Jr. said Shock and Awe.
The govt isnt the only one who can use military strategies in non military situations. They use divide and conquer and we use shock and awe.
true point, you should get a bunch of informative links together on that.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/corporate-oligarchy/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/thetruth-socialismcapitalismcommunismmarxism/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/capitalism-versus-corporatism/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/no-war/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/help-me-understand/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/capitalism-a-love-story/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/sociology/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/energy-101-solution/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/ethics/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/break-your-left-right-conditioning/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/nader-kucinich-and-paul/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/5-facts-you-should-know-about-the-wealthiest-one-p/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/i-am-homeless-joe-jp-morgan-chase-accidentally-for/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/can-we-end-the-fed/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-end-the-federal-reserve-and-what-do-you-replac/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/where-are-we-and-how-do-we-move-forward/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/things-wall-st-did-were-not-illegal/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/teaching-the-occupation/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/this-forum-needs-structure/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-is-not-your-personal-billboard-for-your-politi/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/systems-theory-primer/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/organize-inform-take-action-effect-change/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/better-website-needed/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/stop-playing-the-devils-games/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/nonviolence-the-only-path/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-not-against-capitalism/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/this-is-not-about-political-stripe-it-is-about-bas/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/national-initiative-for-democracy/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/a-third-political-party-the-movement-of-the-middle/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/300-fema-camps/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-is-a-false-flag-operation/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-this-will-not-work/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/paradigm-shift-now/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/a-proposal-for-focus/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/stop-the-bullshit-posts-and-get-organized/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/suggested-goals/
See - "Politics and the English Language" George Orwell; "Words That Work: It's Not What You Say, It's What People Hear" Frank Luntz; "Engineering of consent" Edward Bernays.
or Chomsky, "Manufacturing Consent"
48% are not liberals. Meaning 52% are? These are statistics PFA, Plucked form air.
Just make it up as you go.
sorry it was a gallup poll from earlier today.
If the people have very specific demands as you claim, why hasn't any official demands and leadership come forth from the protests?
Right now it looks like a bunch of unemployed people having a protest party to most people.
Without leadership and specifics, it will NEVER be taken seriously.
Anonymous is being taken VERY seriously by some people... and they are a leaderless group.
Right now, we're still growing. We need to bring in as many people as possible, regardless of their ideologies. The moment we name a leader and specifics, we start to disenfranchise people.
We're growing our communication network which is nationwide.
Eventually, some people with specific messages will be embraced. They will have their 15 minutes of fame and return to the masses. This way, leaders won't be co-opted or corrupted. They wont' be targeted for character assassination. It allows us to keep everyone together in unity... rather than embracing a conservative at the cost of liberals. or vice versa.
Anonymous is a group of people who engage in criminal activity. Hacking is criminal activity. Criminal activity is always taken seriously.
A leaderless bunch of people protesting something without specifically saying exactly what they are protesting and what they want will not be taken seriously.
Right now the protests are the flavor of the month. However, the public and even the media is growing to tire of all this. The media loves building things up, and then tearing it down.
And no leaders......not now....this is confounding people because it is leaderless....it should stay that way.
Yotam Marom and I believe Lisa Fithian may have been the organizers of this 'leaderless' movement.
And while Yotam is very good at expressing things......Lets just say that Yotam is off the hook and not my leader, nor does Yotam claim to be anyone's leader.
I used the word organizer, not leader.
Organizer equals leaders? Or just organizer? Do they dictate or tell anyone what to do or are things democratic? Everyone brings something to this but no one claims leadership. It would be a mistake to do so.
Grievances are set out....they arent being reported.
Where are they?
I personally do not agree with this entire list, but it is a start. My list is much simpler. Stop Corporate Welfare and End the Fed. STOP the 1%
Declaration of the Occupation of New York City Posted on September 30, 2011 by NYCGA
THIS DOCUMENT WAS ACCEPTED BY THE NYC GENERAL ASSEMBLY ON SEPTEMBER 29, 2011
As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies. As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.
They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage. They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses. They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation. They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization. They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices. They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions. They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right. They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay. They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility. They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance. They have sold our privacy as a commodity. They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press. They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit. They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce. They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them. They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil. They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit. They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit. They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media. They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt. They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad. They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas. They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts. To the people of the world, We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power. Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone. To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal. Join us and make your voices heard!These grievances are not all-inclusive.
=================================================== NOTE: There is an actual List of Demands for Congress. Does anyone know where that went???
The one for Congress that is.
I pretty well agree with most of it. I dont know if that list was official or not.
it is from this site. the link is on the home page.
Hell you can get them off Wiki. Does no one do investigative reporting anymore? Read the forums, the signs, listen to the protesters. Do we have to write it on notecards for them?
They are trying force us to pick a leader and make demands Instead of just listening. Because by picking a leader and making demands, this usually weakens the group.
You see right now that con on your right and that liberal on your left have their own ideas of what they want. And that is fine. But if we feel rushed to pick a leader and a set of demands and it leans the wrong way, then we lose some support on one side or the other.
We really need a leader, if we choose one who is neutral, an independent so to speak then it is easier for the far right and left to follow that leader than someone who leans one way. Also a council would not be bad either maybe from the core group. 3 from the right 3 from the middle and 3 from the left. This way everyone feels they are fairly represented by the leaders.
The one thing i like about the council is they will be harder to try to corrupt. One person is much easier to try to corrupt and drag through the mud then a whole council.
The list of demands for congress has been posted and it is evolving. I will try to find it again. It may have been removed for now.
To answer your question: Try http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-please-help-editadd-so-th/ If that doesn't work, I also found it this way: google wiki occupy wall st and go to demands section. The link to "Demands for Congress" is the second number right after the line "Participatory online discussion forums have been emerging for citizens to submit and vote for specific agenda items." I think it's healthy to discuss stuff like this over the coming weeks but we obviously need to not bless any list as official until the movement has matured a bit.
Thank You!
Global capitalist socialist mercantilist fascists jews, etc. Sigh. Nobody has a clue, do they?
Care to expand on that?
Yes, you just can't intelligently claim that wealthy oligarchs bent on world domination with absolutely no interest in the welfare of actual people are "socialists."
I love this "wealthy oligarchs bent on world domination with absolutely no interest in the welfare of actual people.." and I agree 100%. They are sociopaths and must be stopped by any means necessary.
:-)
True. BUT They do have a socialist agenda for the People. The facts are clear to me. Look at the last 40 years in Washington. Or perhaps you think socialism is a good thing. As an ideology, sure it has its merit. But as an actual thing for THIS country, no.
They are finance/corporatist CAPITALISTS. Sorry to yell, but the people you're talking about are in it for profit and power, just like everyone else in this system. I'm not condemining capitalism entirely but I do believe it needs to be well constrained and channeled productively by a vigilant citizenry which weilds real political power, and uses it for the benefit of the 99%. That's what's missing here. Socialism is hardly even a factor.
There is such a thing as Natural Capitalism too. Capitalism in itself (like marxism or any other ism) has value and could work for many. The problem really is the fact that 1% are in control of all the wealth and power. Every hierarchical system functions that way. What we really need is anarchy in the truest sense of the word.
"Socialism is hardly even a factor." National Socialism aka Nazi. What We are witnessing/experiencing is on a Global scale. Global Socialism via corporatism.. "Corporatism is Fascism." Mussolini
I will try to be more clear in future. aaahhh...Words. ;-)