Forum Post: We are already socialists, how would more socialism help??
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 10, 2011, 6:08 p.m. EST by gekko
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As the Wall St. protestors grow in numbers, their message and demands become increasingly obscure and disconcerted. It seems everyone has their own answers and demands to our economic woes, and are quick to blame whatever institutions or ideologies they feel are responsible. Everyone’s jumping on the bandwagon; from the unemployed, to the unions, to celebrities like Michael Moore. What is clear, however, is many others are now chanting along side people like Michael Moore, a well known socialist, and are now blaming capitalism and free markets as our problems and cheerleading socialism and bigger government as a solution.
As alarming as that sounds, there seems to be a growing number of protestors who seem to be singing the same tune. There is only one problem with their accusations against capitalism and free markets: They’ve never actually lived in a truly free market, and the very ideologies they place the blame on are almost the exact same as the ideologies they are now promoting; An amplified version of socialism, big government, corporatocracy, dependence, and collectivism.
Read the whole thing here:http://www.moneytrendsresearch.com/capitalism-and-wall-st-not-the-problem-end-the-fed-occupy-d-c/
Michel Moore is a self serving toxic fake.
Ye Gods a bunch of fools that think having a Che T Shirt makes them a socialist at the moment in France 2 morons are vying to be elected as a socialist President Jean Juares would laugh at them toxic fakes. A bunch of kids that want a party with no goals no cohesion it is like sitting down banging a drum and demanding a better wheel. WWW.FUCKOBAMA2012.COM
yeah...moneytrendsresearch.com has the whole story...this author must be one of the children left behind...Would you please flex your intellegence by telling us exactly what a socialist is? And no Dictionary.com, buddy. Use your own words.
partnerships between central banks, commercial banks, corporations and government in a unified agenda to meet their own interests. just what america is now
I appreciate your response. You did give a fairly decent definition of socialism, but the U.S. has not reached it and it is very common to use the word "socialism" as a slippery slope or scare tactic. A more realistic name for our current state would be Plutocracy. This occupation is not about socialism, it is about fairness and equal opportunity. Caring about our country and our community does not make us or Michael Moore "socialists".
you can speak about real socialism if you only live the system..Not all ex socialist countryes had the real socialist system but in only a few of them was great i can tell you...we had everything,jobs, no bank loans for a simple life and a good natural food but everything gone when the big coorportaions distryed the system by inventing conflicts and promoting a so called democracy. I think you do not understand socialism the way you spek. It is a great system guided by the real people coming from the masses.
no, we are not socialists. no more socialism will not help. no we are not proposing socialism. calling micheal moore a socialist is an ad hom without merit. he is not a socialist. your just trolling. you are dead wrong, about everything, and are not helping anything with your far right paranoid delusional fucktard rhetoric.
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you need to be quarantined bro my goodness
gawdoftruth is often way over-the-top imho, although I have to agree with him in your trolling, whether you mean it or not. Your definitions of socialism and the people you claim to be socialists are completely disjoint from reality.
To be totally honest, if you are worried about socialism you would best be suited to learn what socialism actually is, and what real socialists actually subscribe to. Because any socialist elements who read your post will completely ignore it since it doesn't describe the socialism that they believe in. Only by learning what socialism is can you engage these people, and then who knows, you might not be so opposed to socialism by the end of that anyway?
Just some comments from someone who doesn't label himself a socialist.
whatever your variation of socialism is- it doesnt really matter. we don't have sound money, truly free markets, or limited government, and that definitely seems to be the causes of our problems. I'm not makin this shit up. call me a troll if you want but if you don't believe in these principles, youre a socialist in my book. i guess there are lots of crazies out there like me who still believe in the old principles of this country. The millions of Ron Paul fans are all nuts too.
Then the term "socialist" in your book is a new defintion? Maybe you should call it gekkoist just to keep it distinct such that there is no confusion?
Truly free markets do not exist in the current system, but the problem with them is that they cannot exist. The perfect competition that they require is impossible to ensure, and imperfections in competition compound over time to be HUGE imperfections, allowing monopolies and feudal society. So choosing 'free markets' isn't even an option, because it's not a possibility.
well i don't know what system you are proposing but historically societies with more capitalistic properties and freer markets have by far been the most prosperous compared to societies that didn't. but you can go ahead and keep believing in whatever system you think provides the most wealth and prosperity.. even if history speaks for itself.. who cares about history anyway
Oh, you want to talk history? I would LOVE to do that. Google "Golden Age of Capitalism". It's clear that GDP growth of economies worldwide was much higher than they were in the Keynsian (highly non-free market days) than they were in the post-1980 period, when "free market" reforms were instituted worldwide.
So, yes, let's let history speak for itself. I personally care about history a good deal, but then again, that's easy when it supports my position.
there is no free market with a federal reserve. there is no free market with a government who colludes with wall street and other corporations to suit there own agenda. period. fuck your little "golden age." youve been brainwashed to think that weve actually had a free market and that it's actually failed. we haven't had free markets or capitalism for at least 98 years and youve been duped into believing we actually did... either that or youve got stockholm syndrome!
Lol, you don't like historical facts so you want to "fuck them". Fine, clearly you've made up your mind.
Want another inconvenient fact? The U.S. used to be one of the most protectionist, anti-free market countries in the entire world (see U.S. history from the beginning - 1900). So...yeah, that's surely going to upset you as well.
yeah, people like you can't handle the truth. You need to be IP blocked, troll.
The current American (and, to be fair, the entire Anglo-Saxon world) economic system is not "free" in any sense.
It is not free in an economic sense. Governments at all levels provide tax or subsidy advantages for their own industries for their own reasons, quite independent of a "free" market. Many people are born into poverty, and because of the state of the system, they remain there.
It is not free in an environmental sense. The "free" market cares not for the health of the natural system on which all life depends. It cares only with turning a profit, an ever increasing profit, that in most cases requires environmental destruction to continue it's very existence.
It is not free in a social sense. Human enterprise in all forms is relegated to the bottom of financial "worth" because it is not deemed valuable when viewed through the prism of the "free" market.
Capitalism, by it's very nature, demands certain things that we, the population, should never have seen as acceptable. Poverty is not ok to be in. Unemployment is not a natural state. The loss of people to determine their own destinies should never have been seen as normal & natural - they most certainly are not.
The "free" market is anything but.
You've missed the point. Guess you haven't been on this forum for very long?