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Forum Post: demand elections be national and state holidays

Posted 12 years ago on May 6, 2012, 5:22 p.m. EST by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA
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Demand elections be national and state holidays

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Functioning democracy requires the people's thought out consent.

The right to vote should not be impeded.

People need time to consider their vote

and discuss that vote with confidants.

Daily worries should be set aside to focus on social issues.

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I propose that

Elections be made State and National Holidays.

Conscious voting measures the people's desire.

The workweek routine must halt for people to consider their power.

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If voting day is a holiday, everyone will know that it is voting day.

The routine of work must be suspended for people to consider their government.

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"To a certain extent we shouldn't take an 'all or nothing' approach. I'm a proponent of gradualism, if for no other reason, it gets us moving in the right direction, resets our trajectory, and it can compliment bottom up societal change." -francismjenkins

If elections are national holidays, a greater number of people will take the time to vote.

When more people vote, more people care about the actions of their government.

"That government, of the people, for the people, and by the people, shall not perish from the earth" -Abraham Lincoln .

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[-] 4 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

shadzworth (-91)

That's a waste of time since we already live in a Constitutional Republic.

taking a day for the people considering their government is not wasted time

we live in a democratic republic

It's so hard to find a good representative

John Trudell 10 08 pt1 Voters non Cooperation VIDS

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

factsrfun (7762) from Phoenix, AZ 6 hours ago

hey Matt on a completely different note a judge just ruled no right to private vote, thought you might like to see this:

http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20120921/NEWS01/309210028/It-s-no-secret-Judge-tosses-ballot-privacy-lawsuit-against-Larimer-County

that's good

public voting as a right under the first amendment

the right to vote should be protected with public verification

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

dhapppy6 minutes ago

After watching your show tonight I realized that you are the first person that saw what I saw at the OWS park takeovers. No one seemed to be there with the hundreds of voter reigistration forms that could have been filled out so they could get their voter ID card. Did everyone there with a laptop that could have filled out the form for the people think that everyone already had one? When I first started voting, I thought you just went to vote on Election Day. No one at my kitchen table or thousands of other tables were talking about voting and how to vote when I was growing up. Mr. Maher I wish you could shout it from the airwaves everyday so that people understand.

I am a black mother and I give you my permission to do this for me,,,Tell all minorities that they are not allowed to vote, especially Black people and I bet you would see them demanding to vote then. Remind them how it wasn't that long ago they couldn't vote and that people were lynched and tortured if they even tried to vote. SOMEONE NEEDS TO SHAKE US AND WAKE US UP

http://occupywallst.org/forum/a-nonviolent-solution-to-the-political-conflict-in/

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

"Call in Sick" Day(s) during the One Week up til November 6

Posted 0 minutes ago on Aug. 11, 2012, 4:23 a.m. EST by matoinyanawacis (76) This content is user submitted and not an official statement

People, or more accurately, All eligible voters who are likely to be disenfranchised of your vote due to some of these Repugnacan led laws curtailing early voting, especially for democratic leaning people, should, on a day when you would normally be at work, call in sick, then go stand in line to cast a ballot. If your job complains, just say you thought it was the line in the doctors office, as healthcare still is under "obstruction". But really, if an employer tries to fire you for taking the day to go vote, file a lawsuit charging your employer with violating your civil right to vote during the only time allotted to you to vote. The time currently being "DICTATED" by repugnacans who are "DESPERATE" to stop democracy from working. They have "Invested" a lot of time and money buying our democracy, and they are desperate that what they are attempting to "STEAL" has no chance of being returned to their rightful owners.... The Voters. America Belongs To ALL AMERICANS... not just the 1% parasites. Their cure is what was generally known in medieval times as "bleeding the patient". The Idiocracy is fully planned, and their hopes is that we Americans are so frustrated with their obstructions and red tapes runarounds, that we will give up and just let them win. Any American who does that is not an American, and never truly deserved the rights that "were" guaranteed him or her. Know this, if the 1% and the repugnacans win, ALL America loses. The Constitution WILL become just toilet paper, because they WILL rewrite it, and the 99% won't be the beneficiaries of that rewrite... And once again our nation will be torn apart by civil war... Only difference, they will have all the advanced weaponry at their disposal to "quell the serfs". Wake up America, time is running out, Pay Attention to what is going on. Don't sell America into Serfdom (slavery to the 1%) just because you're lazy or discouraged.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/national-call-in-sick-days-during-the-one-week-up-/

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[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

create an internet simultaneous debate on the net for 3rd party candidates

this could be bounced across the mainstream media

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

both parties ignoring this idea for four months suggests that both parties are afraid of the majority

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[-] 3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

The Voting Rights Act

Protecting Minority Voting Rights

Members of racial and language minorities still face significant obstacles in registering to vote and casting ballots. Racially polarized voting persists in much of the country, and attempts to manipulate the law in ways that will disadvantage communities of color continue nationwide. The Voting Rights Project is fighting to protect the voting rights of all minority communities through advocacy and litigation.

http://www.aclu.org/voting-rights/voting-rights-act-0

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[-] 3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

emergency services would be kept open just like on veterans day

everyone that must work on Voting Day should get double time

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

Community Choice

Get Out of Job to Vote

This card entitles respect for democracy

Declare Voting National Holiday

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

geo (1511) from Concord, NC 51 minutes ago

If this was a democracy we lived in, I'd be right there voting.... but its not, its a representative republic that has mutated to a soft tyranny. I think Corporatocracy actually describes it better.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (8927) 0 minutes ago

if such is the case,

let's have a holiday for people to consider their vote

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

LeoYo (330) 1 minute ago

No one needs to vote for a Cooperative Party candidate. It would certainly be great when it happens but the strength of the party would lie in the support of initiatives that could be passed by the general voting public. This can be done at the state level in 24 states and at the local level throughout the country.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-cooperative-party/#comment-759573

"They will be forgotten, therefore, and their rights disregarded. They will forget themselves, but in the sole faculty ofmaking money, and will never think of uniting to effect a due respect for their rights."

Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia: ch. 17

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/jefferson/ch17.html

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

beautifulworld (6393) 48 minutes ago

There is no reason that OWS has to be a part of that. There are plenty of other "progressive" groups that have been failing miserably at it and who can challenge themselves to do better. Leave Occupy out of it. Occupy is the group seeking the biggest watershed change, pushing the envelope the farthest this country has ever seen, and it needs to stay that way.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/bill-mahers-message-to-ows/#comment-759487

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

Election Turnout average in national lower house elections, 1960–1995

Country . . Mandatory(Y/N) . . Number of elections . . % turnout average

Austria . . N . . 9 . . 92%

Belgium . . Y . . 12 . . 91%

Italy . . Y (not enforced) . . 9 . . 90%

Iceland . . N . . 10 . . 89%

New Zealand . . N . . 12 . . 88%

Denmark . . N . . 14 . . 87%

Germany . . N . . 9 . . 86%

Sweden . . N . . 14 . . 86%

Greece . . Y (not enforced) . . 10 . . 86%

Argentina . . Y . . 12 . . 83%

Norway . . N . . 9 . . 81%

Australia . . Y . . 14 . . 81%

Israel . . N . . 9 . . 80%

Portugal . . N . . 9 . . 79%

Finland . . N . . 10 . . 78%

France . . N . . 9 . . 76%

United Kingdom . . N . . 9 . . 76%

South Korea . . N . . 11 . . 75%

Ireland . . N . . 11 . . 74%

Canada . . N . . 12 . . 74%

Spain . . N . . 6 . . 73%

Japan . . N . . 12 . . 71%

India . . N . . 6 . . 58%

Switzerland . . N . . 8 . . 54%

United States . . N . . 18 . . 48%*

*Turnout rates during the period ranged from 55% for general election years, to 40% to off-year elections (those for which the presidency was not on the ballot).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

haven't heard back from any politician about this

San Diego GA said I needed some action to promote it

running into the problem of there's nothing to protest against about this

thinking of some sort of business card

considering calling it a voting card with some sort of humor element

maybe a monopoly chance card "Get out of Job to Vote"

http://www.worldofstock.com/stock-photos/the-monopoly-get-out-of-jail-free/CON1556

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

BetsyRoss (-86) from New Hope, PA 0 minutes ago

So it's basically a grass roots temper tantrum. That's what I, and apparently the majority of the 99%, view it to be.

And since the population at large is made up of people with different idealogies, they too will "fragment into various groups all wanting to propose different solutions depending on their political stance" and NOTHING will change.

If a very small representation of the population-OWS-cannot come together and agree on THE solutions, then expecting the whole nation to do it is beyond insane!

OWS is then a microcosm that proves that society will never come together on anything.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-coherent-defining-message-vs-ioncoherent-messa/#comment-756796

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

they can com e together to vote

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

I'm planning business cards for my election holiday

not a lot of space to work with

I've been mauling over short titles

.....Voter Day Holidays

.........Election Emancipation

.......Respect Election Holidays

provide a contact link

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

Vote June 5 Tuesday

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

NPR predict a 40% turn out

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

.Arizona Revised States § 16-402

After applying to take leave in order to vote, employees with less than three hours between the opening of the polls and the beginning of their normal work hours or the end of their normal work hours and the closing of the polls may take paid leave from work at either the beginning or end of a shift for such an amount of time that provide three consecutive hours in which to vote.

http://www.findlaw.com/voting-rights-law.html

Arizona does not have a holiday respecting the election

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[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

OK, that was a cheap shot at Arizona

Do any states currently have a holiday respecting the election?

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[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8342) from Phoenix, AZ 12 years ago

What a memory you bring up Matt, many years ago I had a boss at PVNGS that was not going to let us off to go vote, because AZ had opened up mail in ballots to anyone and he figured that meant people didn’t need the day off to vote, (now I’m one of those guys that makes it like a holiday or something, took my kid with since he could walk, stuff like that). I caught wind of it a few days before, and even though I had already sch. To take the whole day off, I got on my 26k baud modem and copied that very passage and took it to work the day before, you could see steam coming out of his ears, yeah it cost come pay raise time, but it was worth it, and they paid me a lot anyway.

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[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

if one can't play hopscotch, they should still be allowed to vote

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[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8342) from Phoenix, AZ 12 years ago

Absolutely, I think it may not be allowed, but I’d love it if 10% of everything that is spent on a race went into a prize fund for the election lottery, you got to vote to get your ticket, and the winner has to take a year off and track and post how the winners are doing keeping their word. (you could have a winner for each county maybe?)

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

http://forums.nodoubt.com/forums/2475369/ShowPost.aspx is down

a sister thread of this thread

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

I FAXED Governor Brown of California

the petition demanding election holidays

http://voltic.com/0/i/OccupieSanDiego/ElectionHolidayFax.jpg

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

no word from Brown

6-7-2012

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

No word from the governor yet

Mr. Brown Can Moo! Can You? Dr. Seuss's (Read Aloud Book)

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

haven't heard from the governor yet

he has acknowledge San Diego

got this in my E-mail

Governor Brown said, “Nathan Fletcher stands out from the pack, especially when he voted to close a big tax loophole that rewards companies that ship jobs out of California. In the face of partisan pressures, he maintains his independence and calls it like he sees it."

from MayorJohnson@nathanfletcher.com

I sent MayorJohnson a link to this thread

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

no e-mail verification yet

perhaps on monday

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

Does anybody believe there are any who support OWS and support the GOP?

Posted 1 week ago on May 13, 2012, 9:49 a.m. EST by factsrfun (4554) This content is user submitted and not an official statement

If there are not why do some feel the need to post about how we shouldn’t support Obama or Romney? Aren’t they really just here to keep us from getting a little bit closer to our goals by keeping more of those who oppose us on every front, not just one or two, in power. I was just listening to a bunch of GOP supports talking about they would vote for Romney because staying home was like a vote for other guy, so it seems those on the right “get it” will the left be outsmarted again?

http://occupywallst.org/forum/does-anybody-believe-there-are-any-who-support-ows/

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

I don't need an opposition

everyone knows making

Elections state and National Holidays would increase government participation

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[-] 1 points by bigbangbilly (594) 12 years ago

internet voting may still need improvments.

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

web cams ?

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[-] 1 points by bigbangbilly (594) 12 years ago

still needs something better.

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

multiple internet paths following different relaying points?

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[-] 1 points by bigbangbilly (594) 12 years ago

Some form of fingerprinting an intangible quality that can't be taken away.

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

finger prints can be cloned and require a database

I think visual audio face voting would be quicker to verify

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[-] 1 points by bigbangbilly (594) 12 years ago

I meant individual identification characteristic of some currently undiscovered intangible quality. Not just from the finger.

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

check

I imagine finger printing has been a metaphor in China for some time

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

emergency services would be kept open just like on veterans day

everyone that must work on Voting Day should get double time

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I wonder if Martin Luther King would have wanted his holiday on an election

The declaration calls for a national general assembly to represent the 435 congressional districts, Washington D.C. and the five US territories to gather beginning on July 4, 2012, for the purpose of assembling a list of grievances and solutions.[5] According to the plan, delegates are to be selected by direct vote such that two delegates -- one man and one woman -- will represent each congressional districts. In addition, one delegate each will represent Washington D.C. as well as each of the five U.S. territories. These delegates would be instructed to vote on a list of grievances at an assembly in Philadelphia. The group filed paperwork in New York State to be identified as a not-for-profit corporation entitled The 99% Working Group, Ltd. The document contains the following suggested "grievances and solutions": Elimination of the Corporate State.

Overturning the “Citizens United” Case.

Elimination of All Private Benefits to Public Servants.

Banking and Securities Reform.

Federal Public Financing of Political Campaigns and Election Reforms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99_Percent_Declaration

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

hope I can get some support for election holidays there

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[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

Director Spike Lee asked people to skip school or work to see the premiere of his movie which opens Tuesday. Will you?

http://articles.latimes.com/1992-11-15/news/ci-1173_1_movie

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

I understand some schools decided to close for the day

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[-] -1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

ofcourse

the emergency services would be kept open just like on veterans day

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[-] 3 points by factsrfun (8342) from Phoenix, AZ 12 years ago

nobody ever remembers the power plant operators

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[-] 2 points by commonsensefiles (4) 12 years ago

I can't believe you are more worried about a holiday than the future of the country ! Stating Abraham Lincoln does not seem to produce the desired effect. What then ?

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[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

the people will have to decide

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[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

And you thought this was democracy ? We need compulsory voting

Posted July 3, 2012, 3:58 p.m. EST by commonsensefiles This content is user submitted and not an official statement

Today’s population of the United States of America is approximately 313 million souls. Out of those, discounting illegal immigrants and legal residents, about 286 million are American Citizens. Out of those, about 232 million are the voting age population.

In past national elections, voting records indicate approximately 132 million have actually voted. Let’s skip exact figures again and state that the winning party won its “democratic” right to govern with an alleged majority, which instead of at least the 51% of the population in reality turned out to be about 29% of the U.S. voting population.

By this process, only about 66 million people have therefore amazingly decided the political, social, and economical future of the 313,000,000 inhabitants. That ultimately translates at approximately 21% - TWENTY ONE PERCENT ! - of the entire population of the USA chose the political profile for nearly EIGHTY PERCENT of the country to follow.

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It is the simplest and strangely enough the peaceful solution for what ails us. We have many rules and regulations for our society to function in an orderly manner.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/and-you-thought-this-was-democracy/#comment-776136

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[-] 1 points by DKAtaday (-4) from Brooklyn Park, MN 12 years ago

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (9451) 0 minutes ago

And you thought this was democracy ?

Posted July 3, 2012, 3:58 p.m. EST by commonsensefiles This content is user submitted and not an official statement

Today’s population of the United States of America is approximately 313 million souls. Out of those, discounting illegal immigrants and legal residents, about 286 million are American Citizens. Out of those, about 232 million are the voting age population.

In past national elections, voting records indicate approximately 132 million have actually voted. Let’s skip exact figures again and state that the winning party won its “democratic” right to govern with an alleged majority, which instead of at least the 51% of the population in reality turned out to be about 29% of the U.S. voting population.

By this process, only about 66 million people have therefore amazingly decided the political, social, and economical future of the 313,000,000 inhabitants. That ultimately translates at approximately 21% - TWENTY ONE PERCENT ! - of the entire population of the USA chose the political profile for nearly EIGHTY PERCENT of the country to follow.

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It is the simplest and strangely enough the peaceful solution for what ails us. We have many rules and regulations for our society to function in an orderly manner.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/and-you-thought-this-was-democracy/#comment-776136

the chair is against the wall and john has a long mustache

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[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

CaptainTony (-158) 0 minutes ago

demand elections be cancelled until we get the monetized brainwashing out of the campaigns and the rigged voting machines out of the polls.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/amerika-neither-land-of-the-free-nor-home-of-the-b/#comment-756882

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[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

the primaries parties have an advantage in the primary elections

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[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

that gets them a lot oh publicity on the news

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[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

[-] 0 points by tiesa (0) 9 minutes ago

Thank you for openly admitting that your strategy is to tell OWS that meaningful change is impossible, "resistance is futile" and their only alternative is to come back into the false-choice two-puppet fold - on the side of the Democrats, of course.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/look-its-time-to-stop-pretending-that-republicans-/#comment-732541

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

there is always a write in option to vote for

one need not even write in a name

one can write in an issue like (NO WAR)

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[-] 2 points by The99Rises (12) 12 years ago

Hmmm. Had never thought of that, but good idea.

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

it's patriotic

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[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

[-] 0 points by AntiOWSer (17)

We need people working to keep everything running. Employers should perhaps allow people time during work to vote, but nobody should be entitled to a day off due to voting, especially with more states allowing early voting (such as vote-by-mail).

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

people should not be worried about work on voting day

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

despite me pushing this thread for 4 months , I have not seen this idea reflected by anyone else

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

sandysterling (14) 0 minutes ago

"...power originates in the people, and they alone have, together, the right to wield it."

Sure, but this has little to do with fighting from within the system. It seems clear to me that anarchy is about empowering the people to fight against the system from without. Like your highlighted quote says, power originates in the people. Your definition clearly states that one must remove the habit of differing power to politicians if one wants to be an anarchist. The power must remain with the people. Once you start playing from within the system, you legitimize the system, and essentially you are differing power to it.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/list-of-top-forum-contributors/#comment-814866

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

Larry David Wants You To Vote

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

[-] 1 points by rpc972 (1243) from Portland, OR 2 minutes ago

No one is going to hold your hand and show you the truth, but the Cons will gladly spoon-feed you Bull Shit. Just say "aw"!

Get People REGISTERED and get out the VOTE!!

http://www.gottavote.org/en/?choose-state=true

http://occupywallst.org/forum/twelve-things-you-should-know-about-vice-president/#comment-810842

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

for democracy to work,

people must take the time and respect need for making decisions

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

[-] 1 points by rpc972 (1091) from Portland, OR 19 hours ago

Who do you think got (LIED) us into two bogus "wars on terror"??? CONs!!! We are still suffering the Wrath of Cons!!

Don't be a bratty ninny! Broaden your empty bottle/wet bed perspective.

Get People REGISTERED and get out the VOTE!!

http://www.gottavote.org/en/?choose-state=true

http://occupywallst.org/forum/twelve-things-you-should-know-about-vice-president/#comment-804500

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[-] 1 points by ElectoralReform (73) 12 years ago

This is just one of Jill Stein's Green New Deal proposals. I think Occupy needs to get on board! www.jillstein.org/green_new_deal

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[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

true

I want this coming election in november to be holiday

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[-] 1 points by MattHolck2 (44) 12 years ago

I hear calls for math and science education but never any call for more government education

Five states (Alabama, Arizona, California, Idaho and New York) require students to take a senior year "capstone" civics or government course. Civic education advocates such as the Center for Civic Education see such capstone courses as a positive way to synthesize and strengthen students' civic lessons.

http://www.cived.net/req_guid.html

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[-] 1 points by lancealotlink (147) 12 years ago

Im thinking about putting this issue on my platform Matt.

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[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

that's great

I'm aiming to have this November Election be a holiday

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[-] 0 points by ivian (-60) 12 years ago

how would that work with states that allow early voting?

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[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

they would have a holiday on voting day

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[-] -1 points by ivian (-60) 12 years ago

but they would have already voted. so whats the point except it hurts business's who have to pay for non production.

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[-] 3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

shutting down business for a day does not hurt business

remember when OWS blocked the ports for a day

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[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 12 years ago

Of course a shutdown hurts business. If it didn't what would be the point. The problem with a blanket strike it hurts everyone. It's better to target a year round strike at the most oppressive companies.

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

it's just a day off

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[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 12 years ago

It's just a days pay that isn't received too.

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

yep

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[-] -1 points by ivian (-60) 12 years ago

union thugs led by gerard, one of obamas pals.

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[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

unions should call for a strike on election day

if the day isn't off

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

Odin (2164) from Island Heights, NJ 10 minutes ago

Yes vote for canidates that support the changes necessary, IF there are any. From my point of view tho, this is the place to keep the fires of this revolution stoked and many of the people here, if they truly wanted to do that would be better leaving their LTs, and taking part in a demonstration, and/or supporting their local Occupy movement in some way.

Most of us here know what has went down, and how detrimental it has been to the 99%. We all have rehashed this over and over again. It is now time to leave the comforts of your home and get out in the streets where the real change will occur.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/believe-in-an-america-you-cant-hope-to-change-vote/#comment-739227

chasing my tail

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

[-] 2 points by VQkag (611) 4 minutes ago

the 1% want us to stay home on election day. That is why they are trying to suppress the vote with ALEC legislation. Vote out vote suppresing politicians

http://occupywallst.org/forum/i-refuse-to-vote-unless/#comment-738908

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SteveKJR (685) 1 hour ago

I believe it is illegal to suggest any position at a polling place. If you do that, in all probability the police will be called. Now you can do that off grounds - I think the distance is around 500 feet away from the polling property.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/i-suggest-this-november-we-occupy-the-polls-and-a-/#comment-738517

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[-] 1 points by goldminer1849 (1) 12 years ago

All laws should be voted on by the people, for the people, We the People: NOT by elected officials inflenced by lobbyists and bribes as their track.records surely do Not reflect the best interests of the people.

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

currently, our representatives do not represent us

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

this post may have been tampered with

just corrected some misspelling and the

and added "ly" ending to change an adjective into an adverb

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[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8342) from Phoenix, AZ 12 years ago

looks like your on to somethimg, makes people feel like they got some skin in the game, another thing I noticed over the years paying taxes gets people more interested, in government and voting, I know everybody pays taxes but a lot of them aren't noticed, as I "moved" through the tax brackets as those around me did I noticed a great uptick im concern about government, I always figured it was the "skin 'in the game" thing, I'm not meaning to stake a postion or make suggestion just adding what I've seen

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

public enemy - shut'em down ( HQ )

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

Doormat, how do they vote in England ?


They've talked of making it a bank holiday here too but the sheeple would just use it to go to the pub or watch Jeremy Kyle.

They always close the primary schools on thursday for the local council elections and the middle schools as well for general elections so it already is a holiday for kids. The polls open from 8am to 10pm.

I used to think the Australian laws of compulsory voting was a good way to get people to vote but they'd just use it to arrest and fine people who didn't want to vote for 1 of 3 of the same.

http://forums.nodoubt.com/forums/2475369/ShowPost.aspx

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[-] 1 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 12 years ago

If election are on National Holidays I bet more people would go on Holiday and skip voting.

The polls are open from 6:00 A.M. to 9:00 P.M

It only takes about 5 min to vote.

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[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

many cannot afford to go anywhere on holiday

having nothing to do

the election is on Tuesday

so there there's only a day to get away

I imagine they hang out and vote

.

I would also propose that most stores shutdown like on Thanks Giving

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[-] 0 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 12 years ago

Why do we need a holiday?

The polls are open from 6AM to 9PM. I vote in every election it is really not that hard. 5-10 minutes tops.

You also have the option od sending in an absentee ballot by mail. It is really quite simple.

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

non-controversial subjects generate low response

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

[-] 3 points by millionLikes (3) 1 week ago

Just a reminder for your all: Occupy Wall Street does NOT co-opt itself with any particular political ideology or creed WHATSOEVER!! It is NOT a leftist/anarchist/anti-capitalist movement, it is a PEOPLE'S movement that embraces all stances on the current political spectrum!!!!

http://occupywallst.org/article/occupy-wall-streets-anarchist-roots/#comment-726668

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

[-] 1 points by jgriff (207) from Tampa, FL 2 minutes ago

That is from apathy, not capitalism.

there isnt a good system for an apathetic public.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/capitalism-1-ownership-and-non-democratic-decision/#comment-734498

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

participation would raise interest

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

[-] 1 points by epa1nter (4406) from Rutherford, NJ 1 minute ago

reply to your post below.

In fact, the NC voter turnout was among the heaviest in their history.

And those who abstain cast a vote for the majority.

The Government is bound to comply with this referendum.

It must do the will of the people. '

You cannot lay the blame on the government.

The blame lies with the electorate, the people.

They are not YIELDING power to the government,

they are COMMANDING the government to act.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-world-must-change-but-ows-is-not-the-future-at/#comment-733930

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

TitusMoans (432) from Boulder City, NV 1 day ago

I'm not quite sure what you're asking. The current leaders take us where they pretty well want to go and very often justify their actions with falsifications. Most of the wars in which we are currently embroiled are based on misrepresentations or lies.

The large amount of activist organizations, both left and right, indicate a general dissatisfaction with the government in general. When we consider the congressional approval rating (~11%) or the presidential approval rating (~47%), I would say that quite often our leaders take us where we don't want to go.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/a-question-for-the-anarchist-on-the-site-are-we-ta/#comment-732532

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

misrepresentation will be harder if more people vote

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

Frizzle (506) 5 minutes ago

Arguing about which candidate is worse is a total waste of time. It doesn't matter who you vote. You're gonna be screwed either way.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/obama-sometimes-i-forget-the-magnitude-of-the-rece/#comment-732458

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

peace and freedom sounds nice

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

nationalism is as nationalism does

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

beautifulworld (6365) 5 hours ago

Let's hope that as the American people wake up to these truths, their blind nationalism will transform into a real nationalism and their true love for their nation will inspire them to work towards returning their government and economic system to the people.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/a-problem-adequately-stated-is-a-problem-well-on-i/#comment-757735

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

"where voting is having a say and being heard, where voting Is Your Work, and your Job is your Passion and your contribution to the greater good."

by junglemonkeez

http://occupywallst.org/forum/would-you-support-a-third-party-candidate-if-they-/#comment-730707

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

A larger voting base will not support war

"Naturally the common people don't want war. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY." Hermann Goering, President of the Reichstag, Nazi Party, and Luftwaffe Commander in Chief.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/occupy-is-a-sophisticated-operation-the-1-global-e/#comment-729707

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

war was is the rally after 911

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

[-] 1 points by PeterKropotkin (98) from Oakland, CA 28 minutes ago

Also people tend to give a shit when its something they own.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/workplace-democracy-and-workers-self-management-wi/#comment-729556

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

[-] 1 points by jph (1605) 4 hours ago

How does a system that facilitates individual voting for all, "exclude vast numbers of people"? We chose to vote or not. We choose to campaign, or publicly argue for our choices, not this lame 'vote once every 4 years' joke of a democracy. How do you corrupt a representative in a system with none of them?

The two-party system is a source of misdirection to confuse people into thinking they have a say, and that they have done their part,. both are untrue with the old way.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/can-the-ows-community-continue/#comment-728865

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

that's why I include state elections

California has 2 each year

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

[-] 1 points by VQkag (487) 0 minutes ago

Nothing in your description indicates it can't be corrupted. And this concept that you don't have to vote/choose strikes me as the same old system of excluding vast numbers of people. Too much trouble to vote? Is that what you suggest? Don't like it. Won't like it. Sorry.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/can-the-ows-community-continue/#comment-728837

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[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

if more people vote

more people would care

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[-] 1 points by Endgame (535) 12 years ago

Love this idea. We should be making it easier to vote in this country not harder. Make it a national holiday and put it on a weekend. Maybe even making it a two or three day holiday.

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[-] 1 points by GregOrr (113) 12 years ago

See this idea at http://the99percentvotes.com/idea/US28

Add your support to make it more popular!

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[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

my san diego cox cable connection is blocking the site

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[-] 1 points by GregOrr (113) 12 years ago

Sorry, I mistyped the URL ... It's http://the99percentvotes.com/idea/US28

I was scared for a minute

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

well said

Voting should be a national holiday to expand access and give people less of an excuse to not vote.

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[-] 1 points by GregOrr (113) 12 years ago

Join the site!

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

I got no address from the e-mail confirmation

       Thank you for joining The 99 Percent Votes!



Click here

to confirm your email address and activate your account!

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[-] 1 points by GregOrr (113) 12 years ago

Hmm ... The link you received didn't work?

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[-] 1 points by GregOrr (113) 12 years ago

Forward the email to me - greg@the99percentvotes.com

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

MattHolck@hotmail.com

I already gave over the error in the code

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[-] 1 points by GregOrr (113) 12 years ago

I clicked through on the link from the admin sent mail box, so your account is active.

Not sure what went wrong. It came as HTML?

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

address could have been stripped by a filter

either way a failed contact

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[-] 1 points by GregOrr (113) 12 years ago

Yes, apparently. I will investigate. Thanks for pointing it out.

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[-] 1 points by GregOrr (113) 12 years ago

Hotmail filters links and images before you click 'show'. I suppose this is for security. Gmail only filters images as default.

I have a bit of a hex with you it seems, as also your About Me does not truncate to three lines for the people list view as it's supposed to.

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

it's blocked through Babel Fish aswell

could you repost it somewhere else ?

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

voting counts the people

and the people will count more if they vote

I have no intention to voting for an objectionable candidate

,

necessary government personal that must work on an election should receive overtime

and make it double

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

went to talk to an outer union branch

that refereed me to the inner union branch

that refereed me to Governor Brown

who I plan to fax tomorrow

on the issue of making elections state holidays

I am open to writing suggestion for this proposition

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[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

2 points by TrevorMnemonic (2799)

No massive problem was ever solved over night. Remember that.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/please-stop-trying-to-turn-ows-into-obama-2012/#comment-735182

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[-] 0 points by MattHolck2 (44) 12 years ago

hchc (3069) from Tampa, FL 0 minutes ago

Exactly. Without an engaged public, there isnt a system that could be created that would work fairly.

It's why I was always such a strong supporter of the Social Outreach workgroup.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/what-is-voting/#comment-770319

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[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

Bottom Up Change: If only the poor voted....

Posted 4 hours ago on June 21, 2012, 12:24 p.m. EST by JadedCitizen (3049) This content is user submitted and not an official statement

Let's say every other election cycle, only the poor could cast a vote. What would happen? Would it end poverty?

From both sides of the political spectrum, most everyone agrees the only real way to effect change is with a bottom up, grassroots effort. But really, what could constitute bottom up change better than giving the 'least among us', the bottom percentile of the population, a real chance to change polices.

When the wealthy are questioned about greed, they often point to how charitable and generous they are at giving to programs to aid those less fortunate than themselves. What could be more generous than sitting out an election cycle to give those with small voices a big voice? What could be more charitable than giving up your seat at the table to let those not heard have a voice? Would that not be the ultimate form of charity - of compassion?

As a practical matter, it would not be all that difficult to set up. Philosophically speaking, it opens up a big can of worms.

Would you be willing to set out an election? What would happen? Would it be a disaster because the poor lack the education to vote wisely? Would it make for a better society? Would it create a never ending tug of war between the haves and have nots - is that a bad thing?

Would it end poverty?

http://occupywallst.org/forum/bottom-up-change-if-only-the-poor-voted/#comment-768440

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[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

I need an active congress sponsors either from state or national congresses

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[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

Election workers may help citizens vote.

.

If one ID can't be presented,

Pole workers can verify ID

through other unique indicators.

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[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

DKAtoday (7418) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 hour ago

I was fortunate to grow up with people who knew how to get along in the wilderness. I have had many teachers and have taken many 1st aid courses the last being a 1st responders course when I worked at CDC.

It is a good experience even if you never have to use the training as it gets you to consider possibilities. This I feel is part of growing to be aware.

I am sure there are many differing paths to becoming aware but things that make you stop and consider are essential.

Good Night.

http://occupywallst.org/article/sunday-june-6-nyc-solidarity-summer-coordinating-m/#comment-752829

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[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

TheTrollSlayer (253) from Kingsport, TN

For the purpose of getting off from work or to just have another holiday ? Any other reason eludes me.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (8349)

to honor and respect our democracy

[-] 1 points by TheTrollSlayer (253) from Kingsport, TN

Ours or those who use it to serve their own self interests. Besides, isn't that what the 4th of July is about.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (8349)

indeed

if we did not wish to add any holidays,

the 4th celebration could be moved to voting day

that and presidents day

either way voter day should be a bank holiday where workers receive double time

http://occupywallst.org/forum/health-and-prosperity-for-all-moving-forward-in-un/#comment-752265

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[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

government election holidays would not break the economy

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[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

Who else-here-thinks-jiffysquid92-is-getting-out of Control?

Posted 9 hours ago on May 31, 2012, 2:44 a.m. EST by JIFFYSQUID92 (512) from Portland, OR This content is user submitted and not an official statement

Explaining that our political system is not broken it is fixed, mostly because we turned our back on it. That if we engaged in our political system we could use this weapon to win our democracy back.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/flattered-rebutal-to-who-else-here-thinks-jiffysqu/#comment-750328

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[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

Rick Scott's nightmare

Posted 2 hours ago on May 30, 2012, 1:32 p.m. EST by bensdad (2347) This content is user submitted and not an official statement

http://occupywallst.org/forum/rick-scotts-nightmare/

the "governor" of Florida who launched an attack on the voting rights of 180,000 people in Florida

would he support

elections be holidays purely for administrative reasons ?

Florida did have an election seizure in 2000

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[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

gwirionedd

You cannot "take down" the Democratic/Republican system by using one side to go after the other, you moron. That is exactly how the system works!

http://occupywallst.org/forum/some-smart-guys-talking-about-the-republican-party/#comment-748314

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[-] 0 points by simondoes (1) 12 years ago

Hyalinobatrachium aureoguttatum: May you rest in peace.

We have lost so many,tell me when will this madness stop.

http://www.earthsendangered.com/full_list.asp

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[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

I was intending on taken a day off and voting my conscious

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[-] 1 points by JenLynn (515) 12 hours ago

Maybe, hard on the hourly worker to take a day's pay cut, harder still to force small businesses to pay for work not done. Some states are doing early voting, so you have a week or more to go to a location and cast your vote on whatever day you have off.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (7803) 10 hours ago

anyone that works on Voting Day should receive double time

small businesses rarely pay for any holidays

what states are doing early voting ?

[-] 1 points by JenLynn (515) 10 hours ago

More then half of them. Only 15 states still do the one-day-only-need-a-good-reason-for-absentee-balot type of voting. Here's a map of them.

http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/absentee-and-early-voting.aspx

It's a better solution then me loosing a days pay or trying to get business to pay double for a day when you only need a couple of hours off to go vote.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (7803) 10 hours ago

no

the routine of work must be suspended for people to consider their government

[-] 1 points by JenLynn (515) 8 hours ago

In a majority of the states you can sit on your day off and consider to your heart's content, then go vote or mail in a ballot. Why make the impossible and unnecessary demand that we create another paid holiday? There are things that simply can't be shut down anyhow.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (7803) 7 hours ago

we have holidays all the time

[-] 1 points by JenLynn (515) 7 hours ago

Yes we do, what's the point you're making? You want something new and either working people have to go without pay or businesses must pay for workers to stay home. Either way you're asking for someone to pay when there has already been a way of giving everyone the time to consider the issues and then vote on their own time scale. Without hurting anyone financially. Instead of asking for financial support in some way go try to get your state to initiate early voting.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (7803) 7 hours ago

"There are things that simply can't be shut down anyhow." suggested that we can't afford holidays

but we do

just pay essential workers double

[-] 1 points by JenLynn (515) 4 hours ago

Why? Because people are too lazy to vote on their day off? Seems like an expensive solution to a nonexistent problem in the majority of states.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (7803) 3 hours ago

people don't have a day off for voting. they should.

[-] 1 points by JenLynn (515) 2 minutes ago

Maybe but it's not likely to happen, especially when in most states you can vote early on your day off. No need for the added expense of paid days off.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (7803) 0 minutes ago

a day off doesn't cost anything

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[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

[-] 1 points by VQkag (637) 2 minutes ago

So we can vote but not the "uninformed". And I suppose you get to decide who is uninformed? Votes for everyone! We all must be responsible if we want to enjoy this great democracy,

http://occupywallst.org/forum/i-refuse-to-vote-unless/#comment-739744

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[-] 0 points by gosso920 (-24) 12 years ago

We need to have ID checks at the polling stations, in order to prevent vote fraud.

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[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

public records on individuals could be looked up on the site

to verify a person is who the are

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[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 12 years ago

What about a full week to cast your vote?

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[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

giving people more time to cast there vote would help

I'm hedging my bets on a holiday

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[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8342) from Phoenix, AZ 12 years ago

good ideals taken to extreme, is a good method to diffuse them

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[-] -2 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 12 years ago

We should have the whole month of November off with pay!

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[-] -1 points by MattHolck2 (44) 12 years ago

a week perhaps

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[-] 0 points by Normalperson1 (119) from Indianapolis, IN 12 years ago

The only way to get people to vote it to force them to vote. Mandatory voting law.

http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/voting/cb09-110.html

The overall voting age (18 and older) citizen population in the United States in 2008 was 206 million compared with 197 million in 2004. Of that total, 146 million, or 71 percent, reported being registered to vote. That's slightly lower than the 72 percent who reported being registered to vote in the 2004 presidential election, but does represent an increase of approximately 4 million registered voters. The percentage of those registered to vote that actually did so was slightly higher in the 2008 election (90 percent) than in 2004 (89 percent).

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

. The popular vote was 69,456,897 to 59,934,814, respectively for Obama and McCain

that's 129 million

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008

2008 Citizens 231,229,580 voted 132,618,580 56.8%

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781453.html

the census web material is not well formatted

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

I'd like to see at least 75%

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[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8342) from Phoenix, AZ 12 years ago

Elections should be holidays so we can vote and celebrate.

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

election should be holidays so we can review the politicians

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[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8342) from Phoenix, AZ 12 years ago

well that too, I guess I just always thought it funny we celebrate so many things, rightly so I guess, and do those fallen in war, but why not one because we get to vote? but anyway the reason of things everyone will write their own, the point is, it should be a holiday.

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[-] 0 points by Pequod (17) 12 years ago

Talk about a stupid idea. Most people would blow off the election and use a 3 day weekend to go to Vegas or camping or the beach. Voting takes 10 minutes, polls are open before and after work so there is no inconvenience at all.

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

elections are usually on tuesdays

and I would prefer a day out of step with normal routine

on or off

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[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

Stop wasting your time at Occupy Wall Street; and here's a novel concept. Get up at 6 am. Shovel some coffee down your throat. Hit the pavement. Find a job. Get to work. Stop whining. Stop complaining. Stop blaming, and get your ass out of bed like everybody else in America, and get to work. -Sean Hannity

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[-] 0 points by Normalperson1 (119) from Indianapolis, IN 12 years ago

That was to a complete loser he interviews. This loser wants everything given to him. Everything free. If this is the view point of most of OWS then there is a major problem with the young and stupid.

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

I don't know what the other guy in the room wanted

I already stopped watching

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[-] 1 points by Normalperson1 (119) from Indianapolis, IN 12 years ago

heh.

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[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

[-] 2 points by hchc (2586) from Tampa, FL 1 hour ago

And the liberals will go cast votes for the current war monger, the elites puppet. It will be a disgusting display all around.

In the "beacon of freedom" we refuse to think for ourselves.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/ok-anarchists-black-blocs-and-masked-hooded-jack-o/#comment-729367

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[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8708) 12 years ago

As long as it isn't just a banker's holiday. LOL.

No, of course you are right. It should've been that way all along. That it isn't, tells us a lot about how much they really want us to vote.

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[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

thanks

still trying to figure out a court case angle to support this

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[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8342) from Phoenix, AZ 12 years ago

it's a banker's holiday now....

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[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8708) 12 years ago

Right on!

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[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8342) from Phoenix, AZ 12 years ago

cut their taxes, borrow their money, and pay them interest forever, what a deal, if you're rich

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[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (8708) 12 years ago

And they still have all the power. United we stand DIVIDED we fall!

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[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8342) from Phoenix, AZ 12 years ago

You are right I think they have the power because of the debt, that's why it's there, these people just want you to think they're stupid.

holding bonds is power, as is holding mortgages...

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[-] -2 points by verdade (-24) 12 years ago

Co-opted into the Democratic Party "we" [not you] fall faster and further!

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[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8708) 12 years ago

Comment = divide the left

PS How many usernames do you have on this site, Iron Butt?

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[-] -1 points by verdade (-24) 12 years ago

"Divide the left" is corporate fascist gibberish:

The traditional Left/Right, Liberal/Conservative, Democrat/Republican dichotomy is a false and failing paradigm propagated by the powers-that-be to perpetuate division. The true political spectrum is not a straight line but a circle: There is a point where Far Left meets Far Right, where Anarchism merges with Libertarianism and these and the rest of our outmoded labels melt away. In that point must we place our hope, for only from that point can we build a better future.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njSV5LtVmR4

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[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8708) 12 years ago

Did this guy take his meds?

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[-] -2 points by verdade (-24) 12 years ago

CDC Director Gerberding Gives Green Light to Gardasil then Goes to Work for Merck:

http://veritasvirtualvengeance.com/2012/01/09/cdc-director-gerberding-gives-green-light-to-gardasil-then-goes-to-work-for-merck/

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[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8708) 12 years ago

The above link is from this guy's Black PR firm. Say no more.

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[-] -2 points by verdade (-24) 12 years ago

The Pfelons of Pfizer: Too Crooked to Fail and Don’t Go to Jail:

http://veritasvirtualvengeance.com/2012/01/02/the-pfelons-of-pfizer-too-crooked-to-fail-and-dont-go-to-jail/

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[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8708) 12 years ago

Whatever you are linking us to has no bearing on the veracity of the source. I will not bring up a link from a "Black PR" firm.

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[-] -2 points by verdade (-24) 12 years ago

Learn what "veracity" means before you try to use it in a sentence. I have no doubt that it is at present a foreign concept for you...

Bayer Behind BPA Study That Preserves Their Profits By Prolonging Your Risks

http://veritasvirtualvengeance.com/2012/02/25/bayer-behind-bpa-study-that-preserves-their-profits-by-prolonging-your-risks/

And in reply to GypsyKing's comment below:

“The truth is ‘hate speech’ only to those who have something to hide.”–Michael Rivero

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[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8708) 12 years ago

You would know what it means. How many ways have you found to shit on the truth?

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[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 12 years ago

Oh lookie. It's a mini Alex Jones.

Start here.>>> http://alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed

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[-] -1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

Act One Finale - Urinetown Baylor Theatre

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[-] -1 points by Slabbers (10) 12 years ago

An idea I can endorse!

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[-] -1 points by DSams (-71) 12 years ago

Yes, I agree...

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[-] -2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

MoshehThezion

exactly... which is why size matters... ideally.. we need a nation.. a big one... to make it work completely.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/what-if-all-us-occupiers-moved-to-wyoming/#comment-745623

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[-] -2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

by establishmentsucks

Pro establishment voters only help this disaster keep going.

You cant be against war, banking fraud and bought politicians and back the D and R parties.

If you do, quite frankly, you are just plain stupid.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/is-ows-a-patty-cake-social-gathering-or-an-active-/#comment-745506

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[-] -2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

"That government, of the people, for the people, and by the people, shall not perish from the earth"

-Abraham Lincoln ·

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[+] -4 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

6 points by April (2845) 1 hour ago

This forum is the equivalent of a bunch of people bs'ing over a few beers.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/-5-fails-from-jart-and-the-moderators-or-why-this-/#comment-733495

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

rage on voters

The TRUTH About Voting" - MOC #164 [clean version]

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

Published on Oct 8, 2012

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