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Forum Post: 5 Fails From Jart And The Moderators or Why This Site Did Not Live Up To Its Promise And Should Be Eliminated

Posted 1 year ago on May 12, 2012, 7:06 a.m. EST by EuroBoy (4)
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  1. Truthers and other types of conspiracy theorists have not been shut down as promised in the forum rules. The result is that this forum makes OWS look like a group of conspiracy theorists. 90% of the threads are about junk science and fraudulent claims. How can we solve the worlds problems when we are talking about false ones like the Illuminati, or 911 conspiracy theories?

  2. God talk has not been eliminated. The result is that this site looks like it supports pseudo-scientific babble.

  3. A bridge has not been made between real OWS supporters (those in the street) and the fake ones on this site. Perhaps if the street supporters like Jart, the moderators, Graeber, and others used this site, then the fake supporters here would have a better understanding of what Occupy actually is. It would also have been wise to create a bridge with other Occupy websites, especially those were real supporters are present.

  4. The failure to clarify the goal of this website which should be to talk about real Occupy issues, and not about any and every lame conspiracy out there. It would have helped if the moderators and Jart would have shown by example, but they don't use this site. (Which is a bad sign, because the best way to prove something is good is for the creator to use it.) They should have explained exactly what Occupy was and the goals of this anarchist protest from the get go. This would have saved everybody a lot of time. A lot of fake protesters here still talk about voting and other such nonsense that has nothing to do with Occupy. It's sad. Real occupiers do not care about elections because they don't give credence to any political machinery. They are anarchists.

  5. The failure to shut down the site when it became clear that it strayed from its initial goal. At his point, it does nothing but make Occupy look bad and should be shut down unless Jart and the moderators can come along and actually do something about it. They don't seem interested, and if they say they don't have the resources I'll reply that I don't buy it since there are thousands of Occupiers out there who would be happy to volunteer on this website as programmers or moderators (I do not want to do this as I am not American, but I'm sure many would). Perhaps the news portion could remain.

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[-] 8 points by April (3196) 1 year ago

You're taking OWS way too seriously. This website particularly. This forum is the equivalent of a bunch of people bs'ing over a few beers. Most people know this. The one's that know this aren't here. Or come around once in a while, when they want to bs over a few beers. The regulars get drunk on their upvotes and karma points.

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1170) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

LOL. It's like Huff Post around here. Should we have badges?

[-] 2 points by shooz (26603) 1 year ago

What were you expecting? FLAKESnews?

[-] 0 points by stevebol (1170) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

I don't watch it. After my house was burglarized last summer I took my cable box in and cancelled my subscription the next day. No more CNN, Fox or any of that stuff. I did get a new TV of course.

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[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

WOW - how popular is your BS comment?

Voted down regularly yet still at the top of the best comment of the day board.

Can you say army of bots?

[-] 3 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 1 year ago

DK, I up voted April's post because it has a residual of truth to it. Even though I agree with a lot of what you say, I find contention with your constant name calling. I believe if we were to search the word TROLL, your name would come up the most for using it to silence those you disagree with.

April has had a lot of good posts, and just because she don't see this web site the same way you do, is not reason to ostracize her. I hope you don't take contention with my perspective, but I had to get this off my back. Silencing disagreements with name calling, I believe, goes totally against the grain of what this site is trying to achieve. I know there are times I partake in the same behavior I'm accusing you of. I just believe it is totally out of line when it comes to this poster and her post.

Now when talking about the real protests taking place in the major cities, those are events I take seriously and am proud of all those who are exercising their civic duties.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

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Richie? You mess'en around with multiple IDs?

[-] 2 points by April (3196) 1 year ago

DK - got off of it. Do you have any idea how idiotic you look on this post? Take a step back. We all expect psycho behavior from Reneye. You're usually better than this.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I got off of what?


[-] 1 points by April (2854) 15 minutes ago

DK - got off of it. Do you have any idea how idiotic you look on this post? Take a step back. You're usually better than this. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink


The connections are there for anyone to follow unless JTH/Richie already deleted it.

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 1 year ago

Get off Jesse's back. Jesse's a good poster. Jesse's not richard. Not even close. Just because he jumped in and said he upvoted my comment? You can't leave it alone. You attack him? You can't handle that my comment got upvoted. You can't handle that some people agreed with what I said because you didn't happen to like it? Well too effing bad. Get over it.

How many times have you attacked me on this post. Half a dozen? What is your problem?? You don't like beer? Have a cocktail then. And leave me the f alone.

[-] 0 points by GeoffH (214) from Jacksonville, FL 1 year ago

I am probably just feeding a troll. But, I'll bite. Is the future of our society just a joke to you? If you had lived during the French Revolution would you have just rolled over and starved to death? Perhaps you don't like the idea of the Magna Carta either. It gives way too much power to the people. Perhaps you should wake up and realize that we are in a desperate situation and revolution is the only way to get out of this. I am glad it is a joke to you. Meanwhile, I choose between keeping the lights on or feeding my children... And I have a job.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

April - looks like your boy toy trashy is upvoting your nonsense. Will the two (?) of you be getting married? Will you be making the announcement here?

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Will the service be held in front of a full length mirror? Will there be mirrors to represent the attendees? Or will you go the cheap route and have one hand mirror?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Or stand in front of the bathroom medicine cabinet mirror?

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (17690) 1 year ago

Trashy-Groupie and all round 'OWS false friend' April and her nefarious ilk will spew bleak unproductive negativism and easily cry 'glass empty' clap trap at any opportunity and Trashy and his latest iterations ( http://occupywallst.org/forum/simpsons-ows-special/ ) will happily up-vote this thread and any of April's whisperings in the hope of demoralising readers and posters but The Truth is as subjective as we or they wish to make it. After all, WhoTF made Trashy-bot the arbiter of anything here ?!

Either meekly accept Global Banker Occupation and the usurpation of democracy like sheep unwilling and unable to even bleat on the way to the slaughterhouse or stand up and read, write, work and fight for liberty and justice. Is it as simple or as complicated as that ?!!

Do we accept that Resistance is Fertile ?!!!

dum spiro, spero ...

[-] 2 points by April (3196) 1 year ago

I'll take "Thrasymaque's Groupie" for $500, Alex. "Who is April". Ding Ding Ding. That is correct for $500. Congratulations shadzy! Oh so brilliant one.

You're so funny. I upvoted you here so we could throw a few back together. But you're still net 1 point. Maybe next time Loverboy. : )

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (17690) 1 year ago

"Maybe" 'never' Troll Moll !!! Being from The UK, I don't 100% understand your comment, although $500 and someone called "Alex" seem to figure quite prominently !! Another Trashy-Ident or A Jilted John ?!! Thus for Trashy and you - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hGbXEWignA and ain't it sweet how you insist on spelling his name so meticulously ?!

verum ex absurdo ...

[-] -1 points by April (3196) 1 year ago

Shut the front door shadzy! You've never heard of Jeopardy and Alex Trebek?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXGhvoekY44

[-] 0 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

You think Thrasy might be a cross dresser as well? Him and April are both cross addressers.

[-] -1 points by Reneye (118) 1 year ago

Funny how April rarely posts, unless Trashy is posting? Hmmm.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26603) 1 year ago

The problem lies in the simple fact, that it's all a conspiracy theory.

[-] 0 points by Reneye (118) 1 year ago

I'd agree with you shooz, if you dropped the word 'theory' from that sentence.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26603) 1 year ago

I can't do that, because none of us absolutely knows.

That makes it all a theory.

[-] -1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

All of Aprils Topic posts were 6-7 months ago. Nothing since. Her wording was completely different too.

Thrasy is a cross dresser.

[-] 0 points by Reneye (118) 1 year ago

Hehehe! Oh noooo....I don't know if I can handle the visual !!

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

LOL - you are not alone in that. Well there goes my appetite for a good long while.

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

no lbgt

[-] -2 points by shadz66 (17690) 1 year ago

What does that have to do with the cost of loving ?! amor vincit omnia ..

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

In other words thrasy is possibly also april.

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 1 year ago

Same to you Ding Dong. Where do you get your delusions?

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yeper's

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

LOL

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

OH - MY - your multiple other personality/selves still pumping up your votes/status?

You must love yourself very much.

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

It would appear that you're quite new to this kind of public place.

Apart from the fact that your claims are unfounded, and you don't speak for the majority of supporters of this global movement, you are still welcome to state your grievances here without being ostracised for your actions.

Enjoy your freedom of speech. While you still can.

[-] 2 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 1 year ago

I think SOME of these are valid points, but the tone is too strident. I also think that, aside from conspiracy posts, wide-ranging discussions are OK, to a point. OWS exists not only as a direct action movement, but also a "figuring things out" movement. The end of capitalism has not yet happened. Direct democracy has not yet taken over. How the future will be shaped and how it is being shaped has to do with talking about what we want, what we value. That goes far beyond questions of what action should OWS take next or even what Occupy is in the narrowest sense. Occupy is, above all, a social movement; it politics flow from that. As such, even discussions about God or voting or other social issues should remain on the table, in my view.

Nor are people who, for one reason or another, unable to physically occupy to be considered "fake" supporters. Support is support, and can - and must - come in many different forms.

That is not to say there haven't been abuses. Those abuses are why I agree with some of your assessment. Moderation has been lax if not non-existent. Input from core members, especially founders, has been sporadic to the point of virtual abandonment of the site. I agree that those things need improvement.

[-] 2 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Thrashy: "Truthers are hurting OWS. "

Then attend a GA and reprimand them for having the notorious "truther" poet and musician Immortal Technique perform at their May Day rally.

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[-] 2 points by shooz (26603) 1 year ago

You misspelled jart.

LOL

We're just dogs on the front porch.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (20422) 1 year ago

Troll. You've been here since yesterday. Give me a break.

[-] 1 points by Misaki (893) 1 year ago

Real occupiers do not care about elections because they don't give credence to any political machinery. They are anarchists.

Real occupiers don't care about jobs either, am I right? Um anyway, how to create jobs without more government spending: http://occupywallst.org/forum/capitalism-for-the-workers-and-a-new-global-econom/

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 1 year ago

Shadow banned. Way to go Buttercup!

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 1 year ago

Shadow banned again?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

check to see if an ip other than mine is editing my posts

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago
  1. gravity is why planets are round

  2. humans support humans - a major reason of success as a species

3, web posters stand there own ground

4. http://occupywallst.org/forum/forum-topics/

http://www.nycga.net/

http://da.nycga.net/

5. http://occupywallst.org/

[-] 1 points by friendlyopposition (574) 1 year ago

That's the funny thing about freedom. Sometimes it can be hard to control...but then again, I guess that is the point.

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[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

EORE

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (17690) 1 year ago

Trashy Worm-Tongue is a one-turd CONspriacy in himself and all round 'one trick pony' and his dark, devious talk of having this or that "eliminated" & his fundamental inability and unwillingness to sift shit from shinola speaks volumes as does his Bull Shit forum-post as insidious is as insidious does !

Trashy is NOT remotely interested in bridges and he is the epitome of false friend and "fake protester" and he talks of "real occupiers" as though he has the remotest clue what one is and wishes to call any and all - "anarchists", knowing that it's a trigger word for 'Psychic Palsy' for some !!

Point 5 above is The True "Trashy-bot" voice of his Corporate Overlords !!!

Caveat : Anguis In Herba ...

[-] 0 points by field (2) 1 year ago

so speaketh shidz

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (17690) 1 year ago

Trashy - have you anything substantive to add with your Worm Tongue ?!

ad iudicium ...

[-] -1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

Its a waste of time this forum

[-] -2 points by Reneye (118) 1 year ago

Poor Thrasymaque. See this >.< , you know what that is? That's the world's smallest violin, playing just for you.

So the coward who hides behind a million monikers and hijacks, diverts, collapses and vote vandalizes people's threads is going to dictate and preach to us about what OWS should be. How your behaviour here has benefited OWS is beyond reason, and doesn't fit in with your own definition of what OWS is supposed to be. You...are a fraud.

I like your issue that people should be past the point of voting and the left/right paradigm. Its a crock, but America has a ways to go before they see what Greece has come to see. This issue should be plowed into this forum, but the rest of your post here is bullshit. Its too bad your bi-polar has to take over and sabotage your work here.

You want anarchy?! This is it. This is what you get. Millions of people with millions of views. You want people to start ananlyzing data and bullshit like that? You'll NEVER see that Thrasy.

Anarchy and protests evolve, and America isn't close enough for you..or me either for that matter...but they will get there.

[-] 2 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

Thrasymaque is your Trotsky. You imagine him in the shadows when he's not even there.

[-] 0 points by Reneye (118) 1 year ago

You're joking, right ?!

[-] 0 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

No, I'm not. In the Soviet Union, whenever anything went wrong they would blame it on Trotsky, or Trotsky's saboteur agents.

[-] 0 points by Reneye (118) 1 year ago

Thrasy is on this forum with anywhere between 3 - 20 'personalities' at just about any given time. Fact. I leave him alone 99.9% of the time. Also fact. But once in a while he goes on a real bender, and I have no problem calling him out so a few others will be alerted. I blame Thrasy for nothing that goes on in the world except undermining the natural flow of this forum, and on occasion I question his self proclaimed intellect. That's it. Since October of last year, I've had two or 3 major run ins with him, and although they were rather animated, I wouldn't call that Trotskyish. I'm not sure why I feel the need to defend myself here, but there it is.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

How funny - chastise the trashy and make some nice points in doing so.

[-] 1 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Thrashy: "Truthers are hurting OWS. "

Then attend a GA and reprimand them for having the notorious "truther" poet and musician Immortal Technique perform at their May Day rally.

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