Forum Post: Make No Mistake -- Republicans and the Greedy 1%, Buried America
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 9, 2011, 5:49 p.m. EST by ithinkergoiam
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Sixty thousand US Factories moved to China under the auspices of the US Chamber of Commerce and it's political puppets - the Republican President and Congress...
With this Great Transfer, six million US jobs went with it...
Make No Mistake -- Republicans and the Greedy 1%, Buried America...
Stop trying to exclusively blame one political party for the mess we are in.
You know who I blame? Me, because it took this long for me to step up and take a stand for what I always knew is right.
Wrong. The people who buried America are the democrats who believed that ANY American should recieve funding for a house, and the people who decided that they didn't need to be good on their debt.
Banks have NO WAY to recover from that, because they were insured by the government. (Thank you Bill Clinton)
Well as I said it wasnt exclusively the Republicans - their greedy donors drove it all..
Besides, in order to affect the future in a positve way, we must understand our mistakes of the past...
You specifically mentioned Republicans and their supporters. I would say the Republican parties supporters are ALSO REPUBLICANS.
This isn't a partisan movement. Quit trying to demonize one side of it. If you want to understand the mistakes of the past, my opinion is that the Us vs. Them sportsteam rhetoric is what lead us to political deadlock and voter apathy.
Another kum ba yah -- stick your head in the sand dude...
We need to grow a set and call a spade a spade dude...
Republicans buried America and they continue to trash you and the policies that will get us out of this mess..
Wise up people!
Republicans are against you - they are mocking you - if you don't fight their policies then you are never going to change anything!
Wise up!
99% of the American population includes republicans too. This isn't a liberal movement. If you don't realize that, your head is in the sand...
...and my guess is that it is there on purpose.
Stop trying to put people down. Be positive and proactive. Work with people, find common ground.
Noooo
You don't get it -- nor do you "own" this "movement"...
Pull your sweet little head out of the sand and get REAL!
There are 50% of the US population that will have NO PARTS of your sweet little movement...
Stop pipe dreaming, and understand how we got here and how we can fix it. It will not happen with sweetnes and flowers and kum ba yah, and little easter bunnies...
Get it - grow a set and understand who is really responsible for the insane US economy and who should pay the price. Only then can we fix the problems.
I don't see any flowers and I hate kum ba ya.
How about you let the Republicans decide for themselves if they want to participate instead of trying to speak for them? So far as I'm concerned, they're as welcome as everyone else in the 99%.
For that matter, how do you know I'm not a Republican?
Because you wouldnt be revolting against Wall Street --
And you would be calling your people "hippies, pot smokers, homeless, jobless socialists"
The irony of stereotyping a group as being stereotypical seems to be lost on you...
If one cannot generalize with regard to the conservative movement's traits and characteristics, then one truely has their head in the sand...
Democrats vs Republicans
The words of a Genius:
Eugenius1 points 19 hours ago
There is a difference! Pick one!
One of the main pillars of Conservative wisdom is that both parties are the same. Nothing they say is further from the truth. It is an insidious lie intended to demoralize progressives, and discourage them from voting. Do not fall for this canard, because if both parties are the same, there is no hope for change, and no reason to vote. The truth is that there is a difference. A stark difference!
One party works for the rich, the other party works for all Americans. One party takes money from the needy to feed the greedy, and the other party takes money from the greedy to feed the needy. One party has plans and policies to create jobs, and the other party has a long list of lame excuses for not doing anything. Liberals want to change things. Conservatives want things to stay the same. There is a difference.
One party supports the Occupation of Wall Street, and the other party doesn’t. One party wants to destroy Unions, and the other party wants to support them. One party wants to tax the rich, and the other party wants to tax the poor. One party wants to provide health care for all, and the other party doesn’t. One party wants to regulate Wall Street, and the other party doesn’t. One Party wants to end the wars; the other party wants them to go on forever. There is a difference.
One party is Myopic, and the other party is Far Sighted. One party wants to feed the poor, and the other party wants to tax the poor. One party wants to help the Middle Class, and the other party is at war with the Middle Class. One party wants to fire Teachers, and the other party wants to hire them. One party wants to create more jobs in America, and the other party wants to create more jobs in Asia. There is a difference.
One party wants to protect pensions, and the other party wants to loot them. One party has a heart, and the other party has Ann Coulter. One party wants to rebuild America, and the other party doesn’t. One party protects the right bear Arms, and the other party protects the right of freedom of assembly. One party believes that the only role for the Government is to provide for the common defense, and the other party believes that the Government should also promote the general Welfare. There is a difference, and anybody that tells you there is no difference between the parties is simply not conversant with reality.
In addition, anyone that blames the Democrats for the current state of affairs has no understanding of who controls the Government. One Party has the Presidency, and the other party has the Majority in the House, controls the Senate, has a majority on the Supreme Court, and is responsible for current economic policy.
So, if you’re angry, and you want to start a real fight, I submit that we should start a real fight with the Conservatives! America has a Two Party System. One party is clearly on your side, the other party thinks you’re Un-American. At some point in time you’re going to have to pick one.
And this is a history of how they did it:
http://occupiedblogger.blogspot.com
It took both Republicans and Democrats in this ONE PARTY nation to f_ things to this extent !
Obama is controlled by the same hands, because liberals have ignored his broken promises.
Putting forth demonetization of the Republicans only drives people towards Obama, when he does nothing for them.
Obama is a weak president that has only helped the 1%.
Yeah, just what Republicans want you to think. While they slip Mitt Romney in the back door and rape this country even further. Do you think we live in a monarchy where "King Obama" says it shall be done and then it is. Well we don't, we live in a democracy where congress has to act. And this Republican congress has said and made it a point that there only agenda was stopping any progress this president has made. Now they are banking on Occupy Wall Street eating it's own while they wrest control of the entire government and pillage what's left for the 1%. They won't care if in 8 years we take control back from them, because by then there won't be anything left. Thinking we're going to all live in one big happy bubble of Kum Ba Ya is idiotic and sophmoric. It's the dumb things you think when you're in college and full of all this pragmatism and idealism, until you come out into the real world and get smacked on you ass. That's when you see how the world really works. If you're not careful, you end up with Herman "If your not rich, and don't have a job, don't blame Wall Street, blame yourself" Cain. Just what the Republicans want you to think.Until we have a viable third party, you better go with the one that most closely resembles what you want.
Obama is a puppet. I didn't come here to compromise.
While Republicans call you all "mobs". "hippies", "anarchist", "whiners", "jealous", "un-american" crazies (all this just today mind you), you all pretend like somehow they are going to wake up and take some ownership. All they care about is the next election and wrestling power of all branches of government to screw us further and help the rich get richer. All this while they promise to end the ban on DADT, repeal the current Healthcare Law, demolish the EPA, etc. you all still think there is some redemption in them? Amazing. I want to support this movement, but you all sound like you don't know how this country works and that somehow marching on Wall Street is going to make laws change. It won't. OCCUPY CONGRESS! That's where your change will start. This country isn't going to grow a conscience over night and the people hurting don't have two decades of struggle in them until it does. Both party's created this mess, but at least one party is trying to actually help people out of it instead of believing "Corporation are people, my friend". Grow a set Occupy Wall Street. Realize who your enemies are.
if what you say is true than we are not anywhere 99%, since there are ~50% republicans in the US. We would be less than 50%......
There is a difference! Pick one!
One of the main pillars of Conservative wisdom is that both parties are the same. Nothing they say is further from the truth. It is an insidious lie intended to demoralize progressives, and discourage them from voting. Do not fall for this canard, because if both parties are the same, there is no hope for change, and no reason to vote. The truth is that there is a difference. A stark difference!
One party works for the rich, the other party works for all Americans. One party takes money from the needy to feed the greedy, and the other party takes money from the greedy to feed the needy. One party has plans and policies to create jobs, and the other party has a long list of lame excuses for not doing anything. Liberals want to change things. Conservatives want things to stay the same. There is a difference.
One party supports the Occupation of Wall Street, and the other party doesn’t. One party wants to destroy Unions, and the other party wants to support them. One party wants to tax the rich, and the other party wants to tax the poor. One party wants to provide health care for all, and the other party doesn’t. One party wants to regulate Wall Street, and the other party doesn’t. One Party wants to end the wars; the other party wants them to go on forever. There is a difference.
One party is Myopic, and the other party is Far Sighted. One party wants to feed the poor, and the other party wants to tax the poor. One party wants to help the Middle Class, and the other party is at war with the Middle Class. One party wants to fire Teachers, and the other party wants to hire them. One party wants to create more jobs in America, and the other party wants to create more jobs in Asia. There is a difference.
One party wants to protect pensions, and the other party wants to loot them. One party has a heart, and the other party has Ann Coulter. One party wants to rebuild America, and the other party doesn’t. One party protects the right bear Arms, and the other party protects the right of freedom of assembly. One party believes that the only role for the Government is to provide for the common defense, and the other party believes that the Government should also promote the general Welfare. There is a difference, and anybody that tells you there is no difference between the parties is simply not conversant with reality.
In addition, anyone that blames the Democrats for the current state of affairs has no understanding of who controls the Government. One Party has the Presidency, and the other party has the Majority in the House, controls the Senate, has a majority on the Supreme Court, and is responsible for current economic policy.
So, if you’re angry, and you want to start a real fight, I submit that we should start a real fight with the Conservatives! America has a Two Party System. One party is clearly on your side, the other party thinks you’re Un-American. At some point in time you’re going to have to pick one.
Until all of us unite against money in campaigns the fat cats in both parties will continue to laugh all the way to the bank.
I agree, but which Party is more likely to support that?
Until enough of us DEMANDS it, neither party will.
The Republican Party, the Party of not just "No!", but "Hell No!" never will. On the other hand, the Democratic Party just might, which is the point I'm trying to make here.
I hope they will, but you will still need Republicans to make it happen. Do you think this is 1 cause we could unite on?
Yes. But, if you think we need Republicans to get it done, It will be like spitting in the wind. You get it thrown back in your face. (Ask the President) They will find a million lame excuses for not doing the right thing by the people.
So, I'm going to say it again. America has a two Party System. One party wants things to change. The other Party want to keep things the same. Pick one.
And while you're at it, consider that the Republicans control 5 Votes on the Supreme Court. As we have seen, the Court can overturn anything Progressives do. To deal with that, We have to elect a Democratic Congress, and then push to impeach Alito, Thomas, and Scolia for acepting Bribes. Then and only then can a law that squeezes money out of campaigns stand.
Thanks -- I really needed a sane voice in here...
You are most certainly welcome. And, thank you.
'Stop trying to put people down. Be positive and proactive." "Quit trying to demonize one side of it." "Them sportsteam rhetoric is what lead us to political deadlock and voter apathy." - WhyIsTheCouchAlwaysWet, ahhhh...perceptual distortion. another trick of the intellectually abulic. Republicans incessantly offering contempt and disgust as "authority, positional viability or professional capacity" is what led to political deadlock and economic bottle-necking. One question for you: please, look at the palms of your hands....are there any calluses. My infant child's ass is harder.
What a joke! This our biggest problem is that most of you idiots keep thinking it's either Republican or Democrat. They're all liars who have kept stringing Americans along the whole time. In case you haven't noticed, both parties get along with each very well. They are rich, all of them. You see them smiling and hanging out together as if nothing is wrong. They are nothing but a good television show, a circus act to fool the public into thinking it is the others fault so that we can lose focus on the real issues. There is nothing to smile about or be happy about the fact that we are in a huge deficit (so they say) so whenever I see Bush, Clinton or Obama smiling, I want to so badly slap that evil smil off of their faces. We are in state of emergency with thousands of homeless people and people out of work. Children going hungry and folks dying because of lack of healthcare. Students in massive debts and our family being killed in unnecessary wars and you idiots posting are brainwashed into thinking that its Republican or Democrat! Get over it now! Our entire government is corrupt! Shut up and do something instead of playing the blame game like the crooked government has been doing all along!!!!
What a joke! This our biggest problem is that most of you idiots keep thinking it's either Republican or Democrat. They're all liars who have kept stringing Americans along the whole time. In case you haven't noticed, both parties get along with each very well. They are rich, all of them. You see them smiling and hanging out together as if nothing is wrong. They are nothing but a good television show, a circus act to fool the public into thinking it is the others fault so that we can lose focus on the real issues. There is nothing to smile about or be happy about the fact that we are in a huge deficit (so they say) so whenever I see Bush, Clinton or Obama smiling, I want to so badly slap that evil smil off of their faces. We are in state of emergency with thousands of homeless people and people out of work. Children going hungry and folks dying because of lack of healthcare. Students in massive debts and our family being killed in unnecessary wars and you idiots posting are brainwashed into thinking that its Republican or Democrat! Get over it now! Our entire government is corrupt! Shut up and do something instead of playing the blame game like the crooked government has been doing all along!!!!
What a joke! This our biggest problem is that most of you idiots keep thinking it's either Republican or Democrat. They're all liars who have kept stringing Americans along the whole time. In case you haven't noticed, both parties get along with each very well. They are rich, all of them. You see them smiling and hanging out together as if nothing is wrong. They are nothing but a good television show, a circus act to fool the public into thinking it is the others fault so that we can lose focus on the real issues. There is nothing to smile about or be happy about the fact that we are in a huge deficit (so they say) so whenever I see Bush, Clinton or Obama smiling, I want to so badly slap that evil smil off of their faces. We are in state of emergency with thousands of homeless people and people out of work. Children going hungry and folks dying because of lack of healthcare. Students in massive debts and our family being killed in unnecessary wars and you idiots posting are brainwashed into thinking that its Republican or Democrat! Get over it now! Our entire government is corrupt! Shut up and do something instead of playing the blame game like the crooked government has been doing all along!!!!
Cum ba yah ...
And still WE sat by and watched it happen... where was the movement then?
And THIS is why your movement is destined for failure... Like it or not, there are people on the street who echo this same sentiment - who can't see that the Democrats are every bit as much of corporate shills as Republicans and feel the need to blame Republicans. As an independent, I don't want to be associated with any movement that can't find a strong centrist base... As long as these mouthpieces continue to play the blame (R) game, you won't gain any traction.
The sad truth is that the burying of America was a bipartisan affair. To learn how it happened, see Winner-Take-All Politics: Public Policy, Political Organization, and the Precipitous Rise of Top Incomes in the United States, available at: http://pas.sagepub.com/content/38/2/152.full.pdf
So...why not go to China and organize labor there, make it untenable to move? Oh yea...that free speech thing.
I dont think you can just blame the republicans. The democrats were the ones who passed the sub-prime loans in the 90s that created the bubble that popped during a republicans presidency. Its not just one group who made the mistake. We all messed up and we all have to take the blame for what is going on today
OK some culpability on their side as well....
Fair enough...
Idiot. It's not one political party.
The current democrats are doing a great job of running this country into the ground. Take a look at California and Jerry Brown's recent legislation as an example.
Are you serious man --
Read a book -- it'll be your first...
Elaborate rather than making general, non-specific statements as though you have no argument to present?
brian13 the current administration is being perverbally stonewalled by the other party unfortunately. The last televised speech of President Obama that I watched, Boehner did not even stand when the president was receiving applause and it is the perfect symbollic gesture for contemporary politics in the US...."I will not stand for you!
corporations move their jobs over seas because they have to be able to compete in a global economy. Oppressive taxation and regulation in the U.S. are to blame. Unless you want to pay $600 for a pair of shoes. businesses exist to make a profit. no profit=no business.
so there are no "not-for-profits" in existence. thanks ramo for opening the pool of infinite wisdom.
Noooo
It's a race to the bottom YOU people just don't get IT!
Remember dude 50 cents per day...
No Environmental laws
No Legal System to speak of...
Is this what you want for America?
Um, it was Clinton who signed NAFTA, in part for his friends at Walmart (buddies in the good ol' Arkansas days.)
Yes and if you read my other posts, you will know that the democrates now realize that this was a huge mistake...
Corporations, under the present law, have a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders to maximize profits. Corporations moved jobs overseas because it was the right thing to do under our present system. It's the system, not the GOP, the 1%, or the "greedy."
Please, please tell me definitively why the shareholders need their own profits maximized and "the right thing to do" for whom and why?
Job Creators have benefited on the receiving end of the “Social Contract”:
Publically Funded School System Publically Funded Legal System Publically Funded Patent System Publically Funded Agriculture System (i.e. Food) Publically Funded Defense System Publically Funded Postal System Publically Funded Highway System Publically Funded Railroad System Publically Funded Bridge System Publically Funded Airport System Publically Funded Air Traffic Control System Publically Funded Air Safety System Publically Funded Shipping and Maritime System Publically Funded Telecommunications Infrastructure System Publically Funded Food Safety System Publically Funded Power Generation System Publically Funded Electrical Distribution System Publically Funded Water Distribution System Publically Funded Water Treatment System Publically Funded Environmental Oversight System Publically Funded Environmental Remediation System Publically Funded Coastal Remediation and Maintenance System Publically Funded Forest Resource Oversight System
Publically Funded Public Safety Systems Police Fire Civil Defense FEMA Medical Emergency Response National Guard Publically Funded Disaster Warning Systems Publically Funded Disease Control System Publically Funded Disease Research (Center For Disease)
Publically Funded Medical Research System Publically Funded Research and Development Publically funded creation of the Transistor Publically funded creation of the entire Semiconductor Industry as we know it... Publically funded creation of the Digital Computer. Publically funded creation of the Internet. Publically funded creation of the Global Positioning System (GPS). Publically funded creation of the Cell Phone Publically funded creation of “Spread Spectrum” Radio Publically funded creation of the countless (i.e. thousands) of other modern day conveniences, appliances, devices, software, and other technologies - in such areas as:
Energy Medicine Biotechnology Nanotechnology Aerospace Software Structural Engineering Civil Engineering Building Construction Ship Construction Airplane Design and Safety Robotics Etc... Etc...
Not to mention, Publically Funding the rebuilding of Europe and Japan after World War II Publically Funding the Security of the “Free and Democratic World” Publically Funding the Fall of the Communist Soviet Union (i.e. the Cold War) Publically Funding the lions share of the rise of the Communist Chinese.....
Publically Funding the lions share of the “Rise of the Global Economy” through our public investments – investments that many of the world’s countries are now exploiting for profit (and we aren’t)....
Despite all of these benefits accrued by the Job Creators in their rise to the top economically, they are now breaking their end of the “Social Contract” by creating all of the jobs overseas....
I agree, but they are required to be responsible to their shareholders not the public under present law.
You know what I say?
FUCK THE PRESENT LAW!
What about MORALITY and responsibility to the country that got you there man...
My point is that the law must be changed. You can't appeal to their conscience because they can be sued by their shareholders if they fail to deliver the highest profit they can.
You are failing to recognize the importance of several very simple concepts
Morality and Responsibliity and Social Contract...
Think you are opening up a different can of worms there.
American labor force is simply uncompetitive in the global free market. The cost associated with hiring an American had risen astronomically. Not only is the salary higher than to hire a Chinese labourer, the health insurance cost and other benefits such as unemployment contribution and pension makes corporations go to China to squeeze out the extra profits. That is capitalism at its best and worst.
But now the question becomes why is the health insurance cost so high? The question itself might require another separate movement to resolve.
It's simply a race to the bottom...
50 cent per day labor dude...
Should we eliminate environmental regulation, revert to 50 cent per day labor wages,and eliminate health care too?
Is that what you want for America?
Think or you will be outsourced too..
Ask the question "Where do the trillions of dollars go when the market crashes? To dollar heaven?"
No, the corporate elite take the spoils and we are left with devalued stock certificates.
You don't need to be an economist to spot a crook.
The worst part about it is that our pension managers will take our money and pay these people again and again, buying their stock.
This modern-day con can and should end right here, right now.
Demand #1 - As the biggest block of shareholders (99%) in this game, let's demand that our pension managers stop giving our money to a failed system that works against us - not for us.
Money is power, if we push this type of agenda (and we can), we can change the world right here, right now!
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Our threat comes from the Federal Reserve & our Federal Government's unchecked abuse of our Constitution!!! It's NOT free markets or Capitalism itself. Americas Framers established a well thought our system of Government to protect & bring prosperity to the people of this country. We MUST NOT seek to over turn this system, but instead educate ourselves on the intentions of our countries Founders, work with in this system & PROTECT this system.
We have to unite against our true adversaries. Those who seek to fool us into relinquishing our liberties & those who promote the despotic applications of "Democracy" in opposition to America's fundamental & unbiased "Constitutional Republic" system of Government. Democracy projects human error. Our Constitutional Republic was formed to restrict human error.
Resist any attempt by political parties or political ideologies to co-opt this movement. We MUST respect & acknowledge our rule of law (The U.S. Constitution) in whatever decisions, grievances or demands we make.
The Tea Party was hijacked by the fascists currently in charge of the Republican party. DO NOT let the Democrats or Communist sympathizers take over this movement or this WILL end in civil war, instead of peaceful resolve!!!!!!
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams
Both parties are corrupt and owned by the corporations and unions. Why do you think Washington is paralyzed? The corporations do not want any action because action means regulation which cuts into their profits. Obama, the Democrats in Congress and the Republicans all work for the same corporate masters who give them money to stay in power. How else can people with an 11% approval rating keep getting selected year after year. Corporate money completely squelches any third party challengers.
http://www.getmoneyout.com/
damn right!
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while true, the dems have their hands and garments bloody and filthy also, so we don't need partisan rhetoric around here.
too true; both parties are corrupted by money
Awww
So you will stick your head in the sand and pretend...
Inorder to go forward constructively sir, we need to understand where and why we went wrong...
no, i'm the one calling for a real wake up. your the one trying to get us to stick our heads in the sand of partisan politics.
to get serious requires a few things they don't have. like chat admins who aren't ego serving propaganda tools, a wiki, 1001 sub forums, an actual game plan, a straight up political platform... you know.. basic organizational things sane people do BEFORE protesting.. like figure out a diplomacy and logic centered metaprocess to give their chatadmins so that they don't really just drive out even more people than the trolls. Adminatrolla. trollaAdmin. Whats the difference to somebody whos got the truth facing a propaganda tool abusing admin powers to push their agenda? how can you prevent such a thing? Metaprocess. did i mention metaprocess? and science diplomacy science psychology science sociology and all those textbooks to read B4 protesting?
you can't have capitalism without a free(SLAVE) market. but you can have a free market without capitalism. And thats strangely the only way it CAN work.
Marketing 101 was fascinating. I admit thats a lot less than a bachelors but its sure more than enough to see whats really going on given the other things I know. Capitalism is not the problem since it does not exist. corporate oligarchy is the problem. capitalism has never been tried. I am a democracy guy. in order for real democracy to function a free market system is required. Thats not capitalism. thats a free market system. there is a subtle difference there which most people would miss. I will again repeat. Neither capitalism nor marxism nor communism nor socialism has ever existed. All of those governments were oligarchy pretending to be something as a con scam. Telling that simple truth gets one banned out of the Chat by either a capitalist or a socialist whos pissed you just said their pet ideology isn't real. It isn't. anybody who thinks that it is is accidentally playing for team corporate oligarchy as a tool. the ONLY system worth talking about is DEMOCRACY. how democracy HANDLES a FREE MARKET system is dynamic and interesting and NOT capitalism.
o. yes. no. yes. what? making change is not reliant on changing the money system one tenth as much as it is on changing the informational ecology. Going to a gold standard as an idea is a proof of ignorance, not a solution. Really the end game is we evolve out of money. To do that we evolve first new currencies and new economic strategies. this leads to economic singularity in about 50 years. If everyone is a millionaire how much you get depends on exactly the material valuation of that money. Which is to say that by the time money becomes obsolete everyone will live like the current millionaire. Tangible items to other tangible items? the real economy is about ideas, change the ideas and everything changes. the problem with the tangible economy is it does not change; its a static reality. you can't make a meaningful gold standard with only enough gold to represent on millionth of the economy. You can make a purely imaginal money system work; but it has to be subject to moral and ethical laws. This is about pinning down those moral and ethical laws and implementing them in new currencies; not trying to imagine a control freak impossible non solution because of the simplicity with which you go about thinking over the problem.
once again. there has never been a socialist or capitalist economy. in all instances such nations were oligarchies. using a mask and a con scam and telling their dupes and pwns that they were something other than oligarchy. the big hump to get over is that the USA oligarchy and the Soviet oligarchy are in on this lie against the rest of us TOGETHER. Neither of them was ever anything other than an oligarchy. both claimed some other system in order to have US fight over the ideals of THAT system while they secretly shafted us all playing a completely different game.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/stop-playing-the-devils-games/
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150343790359248&set=a.10150264906064248.348293.511989247&type=1&theater
subtle but discernable, right gawdoftruth? Great post! agree with you except some offer only static or resistance, regardless of the directness of it, to the change!
well. i make sure to get the real truth poured out more than argue some days fer sure. thank you. I'm certainly not interested in peoples ideology, i prefer they keep it to themselves. I'm a science orientated guy and its long past time that everyone else join me in that, methinks. http://occupywallst.org/forum/thetruth-socialismcapitalismcommunismmarxism/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/capitalism-versus-corporatism/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/help-me-understand/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/capitalism-a-love-story/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/sociology/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/energy-101-solution/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/ethics/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/break-your-left-right-conditioning/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/nader-kucinich-and-paul/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/5-facts-you-should-know-about-the-wealthiest-one-p/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/teaching-the-occupation/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/this-forum-needs-structure/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-is-not-your-personal-billboard-for-your-politi/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/systems-theory-primer/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/organize-inform-take-action-effect-change/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/better-website-needed/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/stop-playing-the-devils-games/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/nonviolence-the-only-path/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-not-against-capitalism/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/this-is-not-about-political-stripe-it-is-about-bas/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/national-initiative-for-democracy/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/a-third-political-party-the-movement-of-the-middle/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/300-fema-camps/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-is-a-false-flag-operation/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-this-will-not-work/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/paradigm-shift-now/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/a-proposal-for-focus/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/stop-the-bullshit-posts-and-get-organized/
I agree. I'm personally a logician so i'm with you. sometimes it feels like myopic idealogs intellectually rape me!
time to grow ten feet tall and put a stop to all o that. we can you know. logic empowers us like that. w e just have to give up caring that its going to look rude to some people.
the truth about my logic is I had to forcibly re-condition myself that way after suffering PTSD that destroyed my adolescent psycho-somatic development to the point of 11 years old. I gave up caring about looking rude at 12 years old.
right well then. the other thing is. you have to be willing to deal with psychological combat. most people aren't really ready for that.
then I have personally customized gun in a knife fight!
"yeeeee-haw" G.W.Bush
lol... ok...
Stop the divisive partisan bullshit, OP. Both parties moved jobs offshore and it began a long time ago. Republicans wanted the cheap labor and progressives and Democrats argued that Americans had it too good and we had an obligation to lift up the third world by transferring jobs there and "sharing the wealth".
This divide and conquer shit is getting old.
I hate to tell you that's baloney dude..
Inorder to understand the future - we need to understand the past...
Get it?
Got it...
It is not baloney. It's 100% accurate.
Democrats bailed out Wall Street. So, shall we keep beating that drum?
There is NOTHING to be gained from divide and conquer - unless you're part of something that's trying destroy or hijack this movement. It's our common interests that unite us, no matter our differences.
You called him out End. There are many that have come to this site recently to SABATOGE or HIJACK the movement with insidious remarks,name calling, and false links posted. Its Not Gonna Happen!
Viva La Revolucian!
hugs MiMi
Aww kum ba yah...
Let's just stick our little sweet heads in the sand and ignor the reality of the economic situation that we face...
Grow a set of balls dude...
Well you got that wrong too dude...
Georgie and Hank Paulson initiated the bailout before Obama even took office...
I know you people like to rewrite history and make up your own facts
It happened during the Bush administration. Democrats controlled CONgress and voted OVERWHELMINGLY in favor of it. You need to get your facts straight. Would you like links?
Now, the thing is, both parties serve ONE master - international finance. The vast majority of us here oppose that monster. Our diversity gives us strength. You are here to DIVIDE and tear us apart, like a typical partisan. Get out of that false left/right/Demon/Repuke paradigm and join us in breaking out of the box TPTB hope to keep us confined in, fighting each other. Or not. Your choice. Embrace the truth or keep living the lie. Good luck.
And what is your truth man...
what's wrong with jobs moving away from the country? It's good business practice.
if that is the case the business owners,the corprations should have gone right along to the country they sent our jobs too. Take their capitolist behinds right there to those cheap labor countries,China etc and not send their ragdey ass crap back here to walmart for US to purchase. And I don't shop at walmart for just that reason.
Spell check is your friend. Secondly, you are only hurting yourself if you don't shop at Walmart... they offer goods at a lower price than most other establishments can provide.
Spell check or no,evidently you missed my point. If you don't want Americans working for your company here in America,and you want to set up shop where there is cheap labor,then that business should stay in that country and retain their business in that country. We don't need them shipping their cheap a@@ crapola back here once they left.Its like insult to injury.
Walmart exploits women,and the working poor here and overseas. I'd rather support the independent grocer,the independent store owner (which I do) before I ever shop at walmart.There is a walmart right down the street which I bypass to go to another supermarket. I don't care how cheap their prices get. They don't pay there workers crap to live on.
You hit on a good point... if the products are truly useless and are trash, people will not buy them. The company providing the goods will then go out of business. The free market takes out the trash. As we can see... Walmart is thriving, because they are a good business. If your independent store can't provide quality goods at a reasonable price... you're going to disappear. Good Luck
We can agree to disagree.Good luck to you too.
For you maybe -- but I'm assuming you have a job...
I'm assuming that you don't have a job... and that you consider it a right to have a job. Furthermore, you probably think that a business should fall prey to inefficiency in order to provide you with a job regardless of your value.
No I'm gainfully employed as the Director Of Engineering for a major US Manufacturing Company..
I have a degree in Electrical Engineering and I've designed and developed dozens of products that are now being expoited by the Chinese - not Americans...
What are you doing for a living ...
Good to hear that you have a degree that is in high demand. Please forgive my rudeness in the last statement.
Your company is only following capitalistic principles... I am guessing there is demand for your products in China, and that is awesome. I'm currently in pilot training.
How do you keep jobs here? You cannot force companies to locate themselve in the US,
Well where do I start?
Did you know that China imposes a 25% Tariff on all US goods coming into that country?
Did you know that the average labor rate in China untill recently was 50 cent per day?
Did you know that there are virtually no regulations or environmental laws in China?
Did you know that America Spent over 50 TRILLION dollars fighting Communism in the form of the Cold War from 1950 to 1990, but now that cheap Chinese labor is involved, it's ok to give the COMMUNIST Chinese our entire way of life?
That does not answer my question.
How do you keep jobs here? You cannot force companies to locate themselve in the US,
Thank you!
no point in playing the blame game.