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Capitalism Causes Earthquakes

Posted 1 year ago on July 12, 2013, 12:03 p.m. EST by OccupyWallSt
Tags: fracking, capitalism, earthquakes

One of the biggest firms responsible for the practice of fracking has admitted that their actions caused seismic activity in England.

Fracking involves cracking or fracturing rock, containing trapped shale gas, by using pressurized liquid. Shale gas is an increasingly important energy resource though there have been claims that it is worse for the environment than coal, largely due to the fracking process.

Analysis showed that shortly after hydraulic fracturing began small earthquakes started occurring, and more than 50 were identified, of which 43 were large enough to be located. Most of these earthquakes occurred within a 24 hour period after hydraulic fracturing operations had ceased. There have been previous cases where seismologists have suggested a link between hydraulic fracturing and earthquakes, but data was limited, so drawing a definitive conclusion was not possible for these cases.

Drilling either for fossil fuels or renewable energy exploration may cause earthquakes. Both geophysicists and oilmen agree that natural-gas drilling trigger earthquakes. One oilman stated that "there is not the slightest doubt" that gas production caused the temblors."

A New York Times report confirmed drilling for oil sets off earthquakes and detailed how a drilling project near San Francisco and a similar project in Basel, Switzerland were shut down over concerns they triggered damaging earthquakes. Both diggings involved fracturing hard rock more than two miles deep.

Large earthquakes tend to originate at great depths, breaking rock that far down carries more serious risk. Seismologists have long known that human activities can trigger quakes, but they say the science is not developed enough to say for certain what will or will not set off major tremors.

The time for denial is over. So, how are we going to stop them?

Get organized.

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[-] 5 points by Axis116 (57) 1 year ago

"The time for denial is over. So, how are we going to stop them?"

We keep fighting...for the good...for a better way. We have no other choice.

Never Give Up!

[-] 0 points by itsmyblood (10) 1 year ago

resist they may win but you can still fucking resist.

[-] 2 points by w00dbeck (2) 1 year ago

Just finished watching Gasland Part ll - I am so heartbroken at the government/big business the United States has become. We said this "I love my country but I fear my government" in the late 60's & early 70's True then, TRUER NOW!

[-] 1 points by arbourhank (1) from East Aurora, NY 1 year ago

Often engineered solutions to one problem cause unanticipated problems of their own, which then requires supplemental mitigation or change to the original solution. The concept is termed continual improvement.

What we have to keep in mind is the world economy is currently based on the use of fossil fuels any substantive transformation away from that will take decades not days. In the meantime the vast majority of current easily obtained fossil fuel reserves are in the politically and culturally volatile middle-east. The same region which brought us 9/11 and several wars.

This person's humble opinion is it is long past time for us to “get the hell out of Dodge” and if the price for that is to come up with engineered solutions created by new technology then that is what we need to do.

[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

This just in: hydro damn cause them too. It's called reservoir induced seizmicity. Remember the big 2008 one in China? Actually they reported it in the 1970s. Ignored.

[-] 1 points by Toynbee (656) from Savannah, GA 1 year ago

Injecting a secret mixture of chemicals and water into the earth uses enormous sums of water -- scarce water.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

It's now confirmed that large earthquakes can cause other quakes around fracking wells.

Ain't fracking grand? And we still don't get gas at the dirt cheap prices it should be by now!

Large earthquakes around the world have been found to trigger tremors at US sites where wastewater from gas drilling operations is injected into the ground, a US study said Thursday.

For instance, the massive 9.0 magnitude earthquake in Japan in 2011 set off a swarm of earthquakes in the western Texas town of Snyder near the Cogdell oil field, culminating in a 4.5 magnitude quake there about six months later, said the research in the journal Science.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/11/fracking-linked-to-earthquakes-study-finds/

[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

The study helps explain a surge in earthquakes in the central United States, which in recent years has seen a more than six-fold increase in earthquakes over 20th century levels.

The very same surge of earthquakes that they denied, denied, denied were occurring. I love this game.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

It will turn out like global warming.

They will come up with a more or less innocuous term and claim that earthquakes are all natural and they've been going on for millennia, so how could they possibly have anything to do with it.............

After any large quake the Earth rings like a bell for a very long time.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

But, they just did that. They have everything under control.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Well, at any rate, you certainly have them frightened.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I wonder if that - (what is it? four state?) - major fault will be set-off.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I saw a documentary a while back - I think it was on PBS - anyway it said that if that major fault ( center of fault network ) was to have a major shift - not only would it be devastating to three ( 4 ? ) states - but that the shock waves would be felt as far north as Minnesota. We just don't get tremors in Mn - not ones that can be felt - as the earth is kinda like a bell - strike it anywhere and if you have the right equipment you can here the strike from anywhere on the planet.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

That's the New Madrid Fault line.

It rang church bells in Boston.

Little is known about the fault, because of the earth and rock that lay on top of it underground.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yep that would be the one. HUH looks like seven states directly involved. They must have mapped it further. My Bad 8 states.

Check this out : Images of New Madrid Fault line

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Nay-Sayers really bother me. The USA has A north south Mountain chain on the East Coast and on the West coast. These mountain ranges are caused by plate tectonics - one plate pushing into another plate. Anyway with the land in between these two mountain ranges subject to reacting to the pressure and reaction events being applied on both coasts. I do not see how any scientist of geology could say that a fault area is not active - is not a threat - especially when earth quakes have happened and are still happening ( granted small scale recently/currently ). All of the pressure that exists on those fault lines have not disappeared - one event - natural or man made could set off a major seismic event.

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[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I have to wonder how much they know about that fault line.

True - as they have known about the major central fault for years now - but the other surrounding faults ? Not so much. But they were speculating that if just that major fault had a significant movement that it would set off a major disaster.

[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Between that and Yellowstone it's got bad B movie all over it.
http://www.livescience.com/30099-yellowstone-caldera-uplift-110207.html

A few years ago there was a guy that I spoke with frequently on the internet and we were watching the rise of earthquakes. He lives outside of Yellowstone. So, he (far, far more than I) was well versed in tremors and had been dealing with them for most of his life. We had hunted the internet and news noting the frequency and location of the earthquakes worldwide. We would run into the we don't have the funding or knowledge but nothing is happening unusual and we have it all under control.

I think that given where we are currently with the climate change, the actual potential for major disasters needs to be addressed. Recognized as speculation in a non Faux news way.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I was gonna mention Yellowstone - yeah if they ever popped the cork on the caldera - it would be a very bad B sci-fi movie where the planet dies - well life on the planet.

I think that given where we are currently with the climate change, the actual potential for major disasters needs to be addressed.

Absolutely - we are gonna have enough major weather related disasters as is - we do not need to throw in the breaking of the caldera due to fracking or anything else.

[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Ya, B Movie with no credits at the end.

New little issue in California on Fracking. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/11/1222785/-Fracking-in-California-must-not-be-regulated#

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Well if nothing else it is good to see some State governments at least talking about fracking. San Andreas Hhmmmmm

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4493) 2 years ago

Frack trolls out today, so this issue goes back to top.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4493) 2 years ago

Everyone should see this.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I agree. This needs serious consideration. Will store bought water be what our children's children will have to depend on? Will water have to be trucked or be piped overland because local sources can not be used? For farming as well as for urban use?

[-] 0 points by Nevada1 (4493) 2 years ago

Destruction of a water resource, is a Crime Against All Living Things.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yes it is. Also foolish for planning for a healthy viable future.

[-] 0 points by Nevada1 (4493) 2 years ago

Agree

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Good thing the public is beginning to wake up.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4493) 2 years ago

Yes, am seeing more and more about fracking and XL pipe line. We will continue to get the truth out there.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

It is the best thing that we can be doing along with providing petitions to participate in.

Educate motivate provide opportunities.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4493) 2 years ago

Fracking, a crime against all living things.

[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Agreed!!!

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4493) 2 years ago

New petition on Sierra Club site.

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Going there now.

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Earthquakes is one of many risks of fracking (injecting water, sand, brine, etc. deep underground can lubricate rock formations, and cause movement, possibly aggravating a minor/latent fault line). In fairness, it's a very low probability risk (the main risks are air pollution caused by benzine and methane emissions, and groundwater contamination).

[-] -2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

The question is, what are they doing differently now that they were not doing 60 years ago?

The answer is more of it and much deeper.

Oklahoma, Ohio, Arkansas did not have earthquakes as they do now.

[-] 0 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Most likely, injection of liquids and gases into wells to try and recover harder to reach fuels.

[-] 1 points by MonetizingDiscontent (1257) 2 years ago

-Good Post-

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[-] 1 points by bill1102inf2 (357) 2 years ago

small earthquakes like when a 400 lb wadler roams walmart

[-] 1 points by ebri (419) 2 years ago

Solution to this problem: Education. If enough (more than a few million) were thoroughly convinced rock fracturing causes serious problems, we could organize effective actions (strikes? boycotts? party unity? etc.) to effect change.

My question: How do we educate people?

My concern: I fear we can't educate too many of the "grown-ups" in charge. We can educate children with supportive parents, but not those whose parents are fundamentally against the "education" being offered, as they see it.

If someone can answer my question or address my concerns, we might progress towards a solution to this and other serious problems caused by some of the wealthiest 1%.

[-] 0 points by fishb8 (62) 2 years ago

The question should be . . .' What should we be educated to DO ? Everybody getting a Liberal Arts degree would only result in more Occupiers!

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

We have a list of resources on this threads going here. After the 10th, I can devote more time to it. A lot of it is going to be state specific. Some of groups already out there have a plethora of information. Too, some states are fighting and winning for full public disclosure of the chemicals used in fracking. So, we do not have to reinvent the wheel. The odds are is that there is already a group forming or has been formed and you can easily contact one of them and see what is going on.

[-] 1 points by ebri (419) 2 years ago

Thank you. It is encouraging we don't have to reinvent the wheel! I will contact a group to see what I can do to help.

[-] 1 points by fishb8 (62) 2 years ago

We should never harvest any resources, breathe air, drink or bathe or swim in water, never eat anything with flavor, or otherwise take up space for our feeble bags of bones. The human is the scourge of the planet and there will never be peace and harmony until the species is eliminated.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

So what? Are you checking out?

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Great job there, Dingleberry.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

The time for denial is over. So, how are we going to stop them?

. . . . umm . . . .

with

  • peace

  • truth

  • and the weight of public opinion?

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Yep. Agreed.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

my goodness you have been busy today.

has it helped any?

[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Having checked on it this morning, it looks like it has all been destroyed again.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

I only had like, one comment from one of the spammers last night - maybe there is only one spammer, I don't know

but if I had to guess I would say the moral level is falling on their side. I don't think they expected this.

[-] 2 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 2 years ago

I'm working on some powerful scripts on my end and will start counter-attacking later tonight.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

cool - but I still say the best solution is with admin access and moderation

[-] 2 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 2 years ago

That's obvious, but I don't have it.

The site does have vulnerabilities. We've found a few. If we work a little harder on this (not sure I really want to since I have more serious work to take care of), we might be able to gain admin access through a back door.

If we can resist the temptation of login on as admins (hard to resist - I'll have to slap myself awake if we manage to find a vulnerability permitting us to do this), we'll simply give this knowledge to the mods and admins so they can tighten up the code.

One of the spammers managed to make a ghost account yesterday. Somehow, somewhere, he found and exploited a big vulnerability.

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

I have multiple emails and multiple shit on the forum.

At the time yesterday that I was bumping stuff it got progressively worse the more that I did it. Same person.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

hmm

I got back on line late - it looked fairly quiet, but I don't know what everyone else was doing at the same time.

It looked like we were successful for the most part.

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

It was for a minute.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

so what's the plan?

I've heard adbusters owns the domain name? who is paying for the hosting of this forum? adbusters covering that too?

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

I have no idea who is paying for the hosting of this forum.

I think that if Thrasy and NEP are working on one end and some of us can work on bumping the threads and then everybody that isn't trolling can start an entirely new thread based on any one of the issues raised on the declaration. It takes 2 hours before starting a new thread. But, we would have more to bump right away.

I open up a thread in a new tab but sometimes it backfires and I have to start over which sucks if I am all the way down to 3 weeks ago. It would be great if you could put all of your threads that you started on your profile. It would be easier if everyone did that and then I could bump a lot of them easily.

What do you think?

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago
[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

That works really, really well. :D

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

The time for denial is over. So, how are we going to stop them?

One of the first things is to ensure the repelicans do not weaken the EPA - they've been taking some new and interesting positions lately - but I'm afraid I have forgotten the precise details.

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Some of the states are also demanding full public disclosure of the chemicals that are being used.

[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

About time someone stepped up with some sense. Who knows what they are pumping into the ground - and if they screw up the process it is going right straight into the ground water.

That information needs to be public.

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

I agree.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

Didn't anyone learn anything

from Erin B. and PG&E?

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Not enough.

They saw the movie, thought Julia Roberts was hawt and when the credits rolled figured everybody lived happily ever after.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

I'll tell you what - no corporation ever wants to poison my well and get caught.

I won't wait for the dayum lawyers to figure it all out.

I can't remember how many cases of cancer were involved, but it seemed like the whole neighborhood.

[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

This happens a lot. There are a lot of known health problems associated with dumps as well. They put those near areas known for poverty.

A Civil Action is good. I read the book but have not seen the movie. It is about a water contamination case.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

I don't think I've seen that one - but the title sounds familiar.

[-] 1 points by Puzzlin (2898) 2 years ago

Girl Friday,

Great job! Good Post! I agree the fracking is a big problem! We have to be vigilant and watch those who have little regard for our precious earth.

Keep up your good work!!!

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Thanks.

[-] 1 points by Puzzlin (2898) 2 years ago

Your welcome!!!

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

Yes she is.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

Gather documentation on the environmental effects:

  • pollution to the water table and its consequences - specific numbers of people affected, how they are affected.

Humanize the consequences, draw on empathy.

Demonstrate the quakes that have happened:

  • if and where they can be tied to drilling,

  • correlate data from most quake prone projects -

    depth,

    rock type,

    frac method if there are differences that correlate with quake occurance . . .

With this information and whatever else may be applicable we begin a PR campaign. Begin by

  • networking with the GAs,

    on education and

    direct action campaigns, and

    protests;

  • dot org organizations to mobilize their core petition signers.

Hows that for a proposal?

I need bullets she says.

Well, I still seem to be laboring under the learning curve here.

[+] -5 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Looks like bullets to me. I think it rocks. I haven't been through all of the following sites, they do list organizations and names and may have links to others. I'm in. It is probably going to take me a minute to understand the depth, rock type, frac method if there are differences that correlate with quake occurance . .

http://www.frackalert.org/index.asp?page=7

http://www.propublica.org/series/fracking http://www.theoec.org/Fracking.htm?gclid=CPuZ_pb16awCFciC5Qod8y75Nw

http://wilderness.org/content/hydraulic-fracturing-perils-does-your-state-protects-its-citizens-fracking?gclid=CIqKn6z16awCFcHe4AodLkcrMQ

http://www.frackoff.webs.com/

http://gasmain.org/weblog/

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

so . . .

I'm not a geologist either - and I'm on dial-up. I guess we should round up volunteers to spread the labor?

In the interest of time, I could take some of the quicker loading sites . . .

have you got them all open? or just a few?

just for the hell of it I opened this one:

http://wilderness.org/content/hydraulic-fracturing-perils-does-your-state-protects-its-citizens-fracking?gclid=CIqKn6z16awCFcHe4AodLkcrMQ

It may have suggestions I haven't come up with.

And I see you have one personal story below, I wonder if we can find scientists willing to go on the record?

[+] -5 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Ok, I'm on dial up as well where I am at. I am over at un-naturalgas and let me poke around here and I just a hit a thing on a documentary (that I can't watch). Give me a about 20 minutes and I may have a list of names to contact or at least a direction.

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

dial-up sucks doesn't it?

ah well.

I have this from somewhere . . . .

the Wilderness Society

http://wilderness.org/content/hydraulic-fracturing-perils-does-your-state-protects-its-citizens-fracking?gclid=CIqKn6z16awCFcHe4AodLkcrMQ

notes:

  • The oil and gas industry loves to say that hydraulic fracturing is safe, as long as the fracking process is done correctly. If this is the case, why won’t they disclose which chemicals they are pumping into the ground?

  • Wilderness Society expert Michelle Haefele testified in Colorado on April 25 at a similar fracking forum, sponsored by the Department of the Interior. Haefele, an economist, explained that the Bureau of Land Management should pursue rules for full public disclosure of chemicals used in hydraulic fracking, Michelle noted, “If these fluids are so safe, then the industry shouldn’t have a problem disclosing them to us.”

  • To give you more information we’d like to share a detailed look at state-by-state public disclosure laws on chemicals used in fracking.

Additionally:

"The Wilderness Society has been working for changes to federal law, but in the meantime states continue to make their own decisions about disclosures of fracturing chemicals."

Wilderness Society President Bill Meadows appeared on NPR - [Diane Rehm Show, June 7] "listeners lit up the show’s switchboard with concerns about hydraulic fracking."

People want to know:

  • Will hydraulic fracturing fluids release toxic chemicals and contaminate my drinking water?

  • Can hydraulic frackturing fluids cause illnesses such as cancer?

  • Is the fracking process well regulated?

so . . .

We might be able to get a package from the Wilderness Society, sounds like they have already done a lot of the work. They might be in a position to provide both direction and material - but looking at the above it seems the earthquake piece is a new angle.

I bet they have state by state breakdown of incidents combined with state efforts to regulate, require reporting of chemicals used.

The worst affected states are an obvious choice in terms of generating grass roots agitation.

[+] -5 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Chemical summary In the 980 products identified above, there were a total of 649 chemicals. Specific chemical names and CAS numbers could not be determined for 286 (44%) of the chemicals, therefore, the health effects summary is based on the remaining 362 chemicals with CAS numbers. Figure 3 shows percentages of the 362 chemicals that were found to be associated with effects in each of the 12 health effect categories. Note that many chemicals have health effects in more than one category. Over 78% of the chemicals are associated with skin, eye or sensory organ effects, respiratory effects and gastrointestinal or liver effects. The brain and nervous system can be harmed by 55% of the chemicals. These four health effect categories (on the left side of the figure) are likely to appear immediately or soon after exposure. They include symptoms such as burning eyes, rashes, coughs, sore throats, asthma-like effects, nausea, vomiting, headaches, dizziness, tremors, and convulsions. Other effects, including cancer, organ damage, and harm to the endocrine system, may not appear for months or years later. Between 22% and 47% of the chemicals were associated with these possibly longer-term health effects. Fortyeight percent of the chemicals have health effects in the category labeled ‘Other’. The ‘Other’ category includes such effects as changes in weight, or effects on teeth or bones, for, example, but the most often cited effect in this category is the ability of the chemical to cause death. Chemicals in Natural Gas Operations Health Effects Spreadsheet and Summary http://www.endocrinedisruption.com/chemicals.multistate.php

uh..........they are all scientists at the above link

Edited: I forgot I was looking specifically for earthquakes.

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

uh..........they are all scientists at the above link

I can tell.

I really like the other column.

*The ‘Other’ category . . . most often cited effect in this category is the ability of the chemical to cause death. *

and that accounts for 48% of the chemicals out of a total of 362 identified, if I read that right.

How much do you want to bet the most dangerous chemicals are proprietary, specifically for the purpose of hiding their affects.

wanna start an office pool?

[+] -5 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Right after you tell me what an office pool is.:D

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

well, given that the office in this case is located in cyberspace, I guess the reality is we get to define it.

In a traditional office it is generally a reference to a betting scheme - like who's going to win the super bowl?

I mean, I've never actually worked in an office, but that's the scuttlebutt on the street.

Why? What did you think it was?

[+] -5 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Oh, like a football pool. I got it.

I wasn't sure. I had a flashback of a major water pipe breaking and flooding the halls and while I was sure that couldn't be it........ ;)

But, now that I know, yeah, what are we betting on?

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

what would a water pipe break look like in cyber space?

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

How much do you want to bet the most dangerous chemicals are proprietary, specifically for the purpose of hiding their affects.

wanna start an office pool?

I wasn't really serious. I mean, that's just wrong. Our only proof would be in the form of . . . . well . . . you know . . . dead people

[+] -5 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago
[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

I'm going to have to save that for tomorrow.

[+] -5 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

You know, you are on to something there.

Check this out. It is an article that was published in a peer reviewed journal. http://www.endocrinedisruption.com/files/Oct2011HERA10-48forweb3-3-11.pdf

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

It is uncanny - but I usually am right.

. . ..


"Some MSDSs report little to no information about the chemical composition of a product. Those MSDSs that do may only report a fraction of the total composition, sometimes less than 0.1%. Some MSDSs provide only a general description of the content, such as “plasticizer”, “polymer”, while others describe the ingredients as “proprietary” or just a chemical class. Under the present regulatory system all of the above “identifiers” are permissible. Consequently, it is not surprising that a study by the U.S. General Accounting Office (1991) revealed that MSDSs could easily be inaccurate and incomplete."


. . ..

That's only half of what I said, with another 25 % alluded to. I think we can reasonably conclude that the probability is that this is indeed well thought out behavior, and does indeed apply to some of the most dangerous chemicals.

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

and I say the repelican day is done.

they just don't know it yet.

we are going going to have a huge mess to clean up after . . .

the fuckers

[+] -5 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

So, what we do not have but desperately need is the complete list released.

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

if you can steal it from the companies whose proprietary information it is,

that is called corporate espionage

the best bet, is probably to dress like you belong to the industry, and are recruiting on behalf of another company . . .

unless you can find a disaffected employee, then there is no need to lie.

[-] 1 points by jimmycrackerson (940) from Blackfoot, ID 2 years ago

those facking fackers! is what the people in new england are saying. oh... it's northwest england...nvmd

[-] 1 points by michael4ows (224) from Mountain View, CA 2 years ago

It's a good thing that the US has significant natural gas reserves. The question is how are we going to ensure that natural gas extraction is done safely.

[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

I am not so sure that it can be done safely.

[-] 1 points by michael4ows (224) from Mountain View, CA 2 years ago

That's a better question to figure out an answer to than 'how are we going to stop them'.

[-] 0 points by AntiPoverty (-3) 1 year ago

We don't. We let them continue until they have pissed off the entire global population. Our governments, big money, the wealthy, the powerful. We should actually all back up and make room. Give 1%ers enough rope...

[-] 0 points by Toynbee (656) from Savannah, GA 1 year ago

Drilling and injecting secret chemical solutions into the earth has the potential to damage, and permanently contaminate scarce underground water aquifers that supply a good portion of our rapidly dwindling water supply.

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[-] 0 points by VerySmart (2) 2 years ago

One day you will be questioned about spreading rumors. But
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[-] 0 points by tomcat68 (298) 2 years ago

Bullshit!!

everyone knows George Bush causes the earthquakes.

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

"The next morning Wallace-Babb was so sick she could barely move. She vomited uncontrollably and suffered explosive diarrhea. A searing pain shot up her thigh. Within days she developed burning rashes that covered her exposed skin, then lesions. As weeks passed, anytime she went outdoors, her symptoms worsened. Wallace-Babb's doctor began to suspect she had been poisoned.

"I took to wearing a respirator and swim goggles outside to tend to my animals," Wallace-Babb said. "I closed up my house and got an air conditioner that would just recycle the air and not let any fresh air in."

"In Pavillion, Wyo., where residents have complained of nerve damage and loss of sense of taste and smell, EPA superfund investigators found benzene and other hydrocarbons in well water samples, as well as methane gas, metals, and an unusual chemical variant of a compound used in hydraulic fracturing. A health survey conducted there by an environmental group in late 2010 found that 94 percent of respondents complained of health issues they thought were new or connected to the drilling, and 81 percent reported respiratory troubles. The ATSDR, in consultation with the EPA, advised at least 19 families in Pavillion not to drink their water and to ventilate bathrooms when they bathed, in part because volatile organic compounds can become airborne in a shower. But the government stopped short of saying that drilling caused the contamination or their symptoms.

In 2009, an environmental-sciences firm also found widespread air contaminants in Dish, Texas, a small town in the heart of the Barnett Shale just north of Fort Worth. Wolf Eagle Environmental, hired by the town's mayor and local residents, collected readings from seven monitoring stations and detected 16 chemicals, including benzene and other known and suspected carcinogens. Benzene exceeded Texas' exposure standards at three of the stations." http://www.propublica.org/article/science-lags-as-health-problems-emerge-near-gas-fields

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[-] -2 points by georgyz (-16) 1 year ago

ha ha ha ha ha ha

you people got to be the biggest fucking, most gullible dumbbells on planet Earth.

Fracking causes earthquakes.

Time to spark another bowl asshole.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

New York - Get Busy. Everyone who reads this post and is concerned about the environment and peoples lives - Get Busy.

We do not want to see New York depending on trucked in water because theirs is poisoned. We also do not want to see a New York "Chernobyl".

http://occupywallst.org/forum/your-voice-is-a-vote-you-dont-need-a-lot-of-money-/

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago
[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

NDAA = Round up the environmental Domestic Terrorists.

One good use for a tragedy signed into law.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Fracking occurs near the Yellowstone caldera:

Images of yellowstone caldera

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Are these people really this insane??!!

Oh, wait . . .

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Oh, wait . . .

Exactly - yes Yes They are.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

And to think Obama's ALSO for this. Honestly, could Mittens have really been any worse??

Oh, wait . . .

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Oh, wait . . .

LOL - Exactly - it could have been so much worse - Mr I-wanna-be-a-corp(se)...oRATION when I grow up.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Man DK, we're all seriously screwed if the American people don't WTFU quick!

Like, yesterday would be good.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

I'm probably preaching to the converted, but the Yellowstone caldera erupting again would plunge the northern hemisphere into a nuclear Winter scenario, after wiping out vast regions of the US of A.

The scenario has probably been considered, in the depopulation program. Hmmm, just saying that sentence out loud seems kinda criminal.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Criminal? Well, you're a terrorist by virtue of your participation in this here forum, so what have you got to lose?

Yep, I saw an show on the tube recently about the Yellowstone caldera. Actually a couple different shows. One was on the Weather Channel on a series called "It Could Happen Tomorrow" about the implications of an eruption. The other doc showed how, over millions of years, the volcano has actually moved which is why it covers such a vast region. And St. Lou is definitely in the danger zone.

Hell, this is the second time tonight someone's comment made me think of all those 'ghost towns' being built in China. Hmmm . . . .

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

The southern hemisphere would not escape unscathed either. That large of a climate variation would I expect have nasty consequences - similar to what is happening all over the world now - with the unstable weather and super storms. Look at that - it didn't take all that long to establish super storms as a meme.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

There's a clear division between the hemispheres when it comes to a mixing between the two. Equatorial conditions are just as effective as a fence. Not so with the pollution of the oceans, of course.

Circular formations like hurricanes spin in the opposite direction in the south. Same with water heading down a drain.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Well lets hope we "never" experience the disaster and see how it plays out in reality.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

The Krakatoa eruption remained south of the equator. One of the largest eruptions in our living history. Likewise with Etna in the north. It's just the way our weather patterns work.

But yeah, if that caldera blows, stick your head between your legs and kiss your arse goodbye.

This fracking gig is completely pointless, considering the ease with which the cleanest and safest fuel oil (hemp) can be sourced.

We've done the maths, remember?

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yep - so many excellent uses for hemp - it is insane that it is illegal here.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

GNM ? I couldn't agree more - yes a living wage is necessary - yes we need to take away personhood from corp(se)oRATions - yes we need to clean-up legislation - yes we have to get laws enforced on the wealthy and get them paying their fair share - but we have got to stop polluting the air land and water - and so - the need to end fossil fuel use and extraction - it's continued use will kill us and its continued extraction by drilling and fracking and mountaintop removal - mining in general. But fracking really is an exceptional polluter and earthquake hazard - and it is being done FOR FUCKING EXPORT!!!!!!!! All of these things are important but fracking may very well be the worst - in the short term.

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

It might be the most important in the short term. It's dizzying just trying to keep it all organized in one's head. And I remember you talking about the mountaintop removal but never saw pictures of it until shooz posted something a few night's ago that had a link with some pictures of the Appalachian region. Oh man, did that piss me the fuck off. Those beautiful, pristine old growth forests reduced to a useless moonscape. Words fail.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yep - it is a look into hell - take a look at pictures of coal ash dumps sometime. That will also make your heart ...um... ULCER burn. It is not just the loss of wilderness but a loss with toxic consequences - for the immediate area then for the whole world as the product is used.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

I haven't seen any personally but we have a couple just northeast of here, in Illinois. And I just got done looking at some pictures. Disturbing indeed.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

It is funny ( NOT ) how those things have a tendency to end up right next to water. Winds are generally strong coming off the water and when it rains the toxins don't have far to travel to contaminate surface water and the life in it.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

"I wonder how that compares to Salt Lakes Inversion toxic cover earlier this year."

That doesn't ring a bell right off. Got a link, hopefully? And check this out. It's completely unrelated, but it's something you'll find very interesting. I saved it last night for you to check out. Fascinating:

http://www.seas.harvard.edu/news/2013/06/printing-tiny-batteries

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

That's disturbing. The shape of things to come?

But what do you think about those batteries? Or are you going to wait until later to check it out?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

It is interesting what can be done with 3D printing - it will be interesting to see the tech developed - the batteries - i need to take a better look - i just lightly skimmed the article so far.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

"Living at ground zero - how is it you are still breathing?"

Gotta be the DNA, heheh. And to think it's been cleaned up a lot since the early days. But it's still ranked one of the worst in the nation, I think. Check out this file photo from 1939. This is a DAYTIME photo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Man_Lights_Cigarette_in_Daylight_-_Black_Tuesday_1939.jpg

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Unreal.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Crazy wasn't it? It's nothing like that now, obviously, but it's still pretty bad around here. A recent report ranked us the 12th worst among U.S. metropolitan regions for particulate pollution and 25th for ground-level ozone. Not a good place to raise kids.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Not a good place to raise kids.

No shit.

I wonder how that compares to Salt Lakes Inversion toxic cover earlier this year.

[-] 1 points by GONZALEZ (1) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I lost my grand-mother that day.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Yep. And it never really dawned on me how toxic this area is until I watched that Monsanto doc a few nights ago. "In Our Backyard" or something like that. Jeez, the entire area just across the river is a slew of toxic sites, refineries (I knew about those), waste dumps, etc. All right next to the mighty MO. Had I known all this twenty years ago, I wouldn't have stayed here. I'd have got the fuck away long, long ago. Now, lack of finances has me imprisoned here for the foreseeable future, barring a miracle.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Really sucks to be trapped. People have got to really know what industry is doing to their immediate environment.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

"Yeah - 3D printing - so many possibilities."

That and the advancement in battery technology. That's the limiting factor in a lot of applications.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yep - a limiting factor would be life of the battery - if the life of the battery could be increased as in no limits to how many recharges it could take - that would be huge.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

"i need to take a better look - i just lightly skimmed the article so far."

Definitely no hurry. But I knew you'd be interested in it.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yeah - 3D printing - so many possibilities.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Yes it does. But I blame no one but myself 100%. I had the brains and drive to do things differently, but decided to party and fuck off instead.

St. Louis and the east side had a lot of industry and big names for the better part of the 20th century, consequently there's a whole lot of pollution around. Besides Monsanto on both sides of the river, Mobil and Shell refineries on the east side, we used to be home to Mallinkrodt Chemical (big polluter for sure), McDonnell Douglas (big involvement in WWII production) and a host of other 'dirty' (pun intended) businesses. Breweries were big polluters, as well as lead pollution from mining and paint production. It's a long list.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Living at ground zero - how is it you are still breathing?

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I'm just a little concerned.

You guy's have that nuclear reactor that is looking for a twenty year extension on it's license? Right?

And you have that fracking proposal going on right?

They just had a segment on PBS where they were talking about that reactor and its location. It is sitting on top of a fault line.

Think that could be a bad combination for a fracking nuclear catastrophe?

How many millions of people live within 40 miles of there?

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

"Yep - a limiting factor would be life of the battery - if the life of the battery could be increased as in no limits to how many recharges it could take - that would be huge."

I hadn't thought of that. Very good point. I'll have to reread the article and see if it mentions battery life. It's a good start, though.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Well I need to go through the article thoroughly yet. But I am thinking that it is for micro miniaturization - it would have to be damned well long life to make it worth it - I would think.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

That does make sense. Or be rechargeable.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Both long life and rechargeable.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6647) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

I just scanned it and one guy said this:

"The electrochemical performance is comparable to commercial batteries in terms of charge and discharge rate, cycle life and energy densities. We’re just able to achieve this on a much smaller scale."

That does sound promising. They enclose the electrodes in a tiny box and fill it with an electrolyte solution. Hmmm.

[-] -2 points by gearhead (-18) 2 years ago

Oh no fracking and Global warming Ooooooooooooooooooh shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Take action. See samples of how below.

183,361 signatures so far for Bernie Sanders petition as of 10:15am central time 01/15/2012

http://sanders.enews.senate.gov/mail/util.cfm?mailaction=clickthru&gpiv=2100081904.557411.411&gen=1&mailing_linkid=34578

The petition to save abandoned houses has 15 signatures. We picked one up at around 9:50pm 01/13/2012. Were just rolling right along.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/Savingpeople-savinghomes-payingdowntheNationaldeficit/

Here is a place where you can directly address change. Take part, it does not hurt and may very well heal/help. Forward the cause of reform and rebirth.

http://www.care2.com/go/z/e/Ag8nw/zL2Q/B18Bb

Sierra Club has some good things to take part in as well. Set-up and ready for you to take part in. http://sierraclub.org/

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28160) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Here is a place where you can directly address change. Take part, it does not hurt and may very well heal/help. Forward the cause of reform and rebirth.

http://www.care2.com/go/z/e/Ag8nw/zL2Q/B18Bb

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Another interesting post.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

damn good post - we need public hearings on the science of this.

[-] -2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Yes, we do.

[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

it's insane really - because you know repelicans are the first to scream about property rights - and yet on an issue like this would do everything they can to avoid any public scrutiny what so ever.

the liars

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Hell yeah

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Still reading through.

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Arkansas Frack Target: Fayetteville Shale Water Resources at Stake: Arkansas River, Black River, White River, Greens Ferry Lake, Dardanelle Reservoir (pulled from earthjustice.org)

Contains a collection of material on earthquake activity http://frackingarkansas.wordpress.com/

Arkansas Conservation Alliance Blog http://www.arkansasconservation.org/arkansas_conservation_all/

Ozarks Water Watch http://www.ozarkswaterwatch.org/index.php

The Arkansas Oil and Gas Commission has banned fracking disposal wells for unconventional gas drilling wastes due to earthquakes. The Commission voted unanimously to ban them, and the decision requires the immediate closure of one disposal well and prohibits the construction of new wells within a 1,150 square mile radius.

Arkansas residents insisted that there was a correlation between the increase in earthquake activity in the state and wastewater disposal wells. Imagine being on your way out one afternoon, opening your garage door, and experiencing an earthquake that you knew was being caused by gas drills. After monitoring hundreds of earthquakes, investigators have begun to conform the connection between unconventional gas-related drilling and the quakes. The Oil and Gas Commission discovered that four disposal wells were located on a fault line responsible for dozens of earthquakes. http://planetsave.com/2011/09/16/fracking-disposal-wells-linked-to-earthquakes-banned-in-arkansas/

An article on earthquakes in Arkansas http://beforeitsnews.com/story/344/370/Fracking_the_Life_Out_of_Arkansas_and_Beyond.html?currentSplittedPage=0

Ohio Frack Target: Ohio Shale/Marcellus Shale Water Resources at Stake: Ohio River, Mohawk Reservoir, Lake Erie

Ohio Environmental Council http://www.theoec.org/Fracking.htm?gclid=CISUxfCt6qwCFQWA5Qodbm2kfA

Ohio earthquake http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/science/2011/11/13/tracking-tremors.html

and the link from earthjustice.org http://earthjustice.org/features/campaigns/fracking-across-the-united-states

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Nother link with groups from Ban Michigan which has legislation in November and a petition. http://banmichiganfracking.org/?page_id=12

Un-natural gas resources has science: http://un-naturalgas.org/resources_and_documents.htm

[+] -4 points by DunkiDonut2 (-108) 2 years ago

And you probably believe in global warming too.

[-] 1 points by michael4ows (224) from Mountain View, CA 2 years ago

I'm not sure, but i think you may have intended this comment for me (or to bash me)? Science doesn't really give a shit about what I or anyone else believes on that matter. Methane is way cleaner burning than oil or coal, relatively lower in CO2, and there's lots of it in North America.

[-] 0 points by agnosticnixie (17) from Laval, QC 2 years ago

Also burning methane breaks up one of the worst greenhouse gases into comparatively harmless co2 :p