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Forum Post: Targeted Interdiction and Subversion of Institutions - WTF?

Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 15, 2011, 6:30 p.m. EST by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT
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You may be tempted to think that what I propose is not simply audacious, but impossible. It is not. By understanding the natural affects of this movement on the social consciousness we can amplify our signal and begin to mold reality to suit our design.

How is this possible? It is possible because reality - our beliefs, perceptions and even our experience, of what it is and how things work, is elastic. You know this to be true, even if you are not yet aware of it. Think back on the last time you had a fever, or a sleepless night. Your perceptions changed as a result - to a small degree perhaps, but never the less, your experience was not the same as when well rested and fit.

We will give all those who oppose us as a matter of absolute, iron clad ideological commitment, such fits of sleepless agitation that their perceptions of reality and their ability to make decisions and to respond is degraded to such a degree that in the end the empire of lies they have erected will collapse.

It will collapse by our will, with Peace, Truth, and the Weight of Public Opinion.

It begins in your own mind. It begins by understanding who you are, and how you are like everyone else involved in this struggle - on both sides. We are all citizens, united by a set cultural principles, beliefs, and even myths. One of these is that in America you can have a house with a white picket fence. Whether this is a belief borne out by reality today or a myth fostered to give us hope and a sense of pride in our collective unity as Americans remains, at this time, a subject of debate; in no small thanks to the banking industry.

There are those within banking who believe that ‘not everyone should own homes.’ This is a distinctly un-American belief. It is a fundamental contradiction with the principle that all men are created equal. By standing firmly on those principles that are uniquely American and uphold those virtues held in highest esteem - freedom, justice, and democracy - we can subvert anyone to our cause, and those in America who oppose us must fall. They must fall because they are un-American. They cannot help but to fall.

Clarity and mindfulness on this simple principle guarantees our success, and in that sense, we have indeed already won.

To claim that victory we must open our minds. We must understand both the strengths and the weaknesses of organized institutions, whatever they may be. First and foremost, we must understand that they are made up of none other than us. Who are we? Human beings. Americans. The ninety-nine percent. That is who we are and that is the make up every single institution in America. The rich beauty of such a principle lies in its simplicity and its irony - and the one percent have absolutely no clue. For them, the reality will come as no small surprise.

The simple use of old language surrounding common principles of esteem, phrases like ‘liberty and justice for all’; intermingled with new linguistic constructs, constructs of our own design, like ‘targeted interdiction’, is one very simple way of demonstrating both to the 99 and to the 1, that the 1 has lost all control.

We truly do have the power, and once you do come to completely understand this fact, you will be in awe.

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[-] -1 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 12 years ago

"[the rest of this post has been lost due to the design of this website]"

Why don't you post the rest in segments in the "comments' section, as most contributors do when their post is too long?

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

I find that very irritating. It destroys the continuity, making it difficult to follow. But hey.

-- Targeted Interdiction and Subversion of Institutions - WTF?


We are limited only by the limits of our imagination and the limits to our willingness to be all inclusive. Ask yourself - do you imagine an organization that could include both organized criminals and officers of the law? Before answering, consider carefully: both are human beings. Both are Americans. Both have a stake in the outcome of this struggle. I assure you, both of these groups are even now eyeing us with respect to how we may change their lives, for good or ill, and how they may influence us to their advantage. We must approach this reality with eyes wide open.

Some have already expressed a concern that the police are our natural enemy. If you have had a tear gas canister bounced off of your forehead, then indeed, such a position is completely understandable. From such individuals I do not expect an openness of mind on such a topic, as much as I hope for their patience. Their place in our ranks is secure.

We can and we must subvert every single institution to our cause: by reflecting American traditions and values; by understanding that every one of the 99 has a stake; by understanding what that stake is and expressing support and empowerment to each and every one of the 99. Police officers are Americans. They are union members. They have collective bargaining rights that are vulnerable to sacrifice by the one percent. And when the dust of this conflict has settled, they will not want to think of themselves as having abused their fellow citizens with too much zeal. This principle applied on an individual basis will not always hold true - but on an organizational level is indisputable.

What I am saying is that there will be those in uniform who, when they look at us, see the enemy - something that is not like them, that is un-American. It is a faulty perception, precisely because we are in fact distinctly American; and therefore on an organizational level we will, we must, be received as such.

And as such, we have the power to subvert anyone, and any organization, in these United States, to our cause.

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 12 years ago

Like the Union workers in Ohio, subverted Gov Kasich? He conceded that he would have to rethink his position after the Anti Collective Bargaining referendum was defeated. Granted, that was a single issue.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

I didn't follow that particular issue with attention - not that it wasn't important, it was. That initiative to end collective bargaining helped wake people up. I was surprised to see it gain the traction it did. I missed how it ended.

But yes, something like that.

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 12 years ago

The Union won. : )

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

I guessed that based on your post. Not surprised either - for a while the issue was spreading to other states, then it petered out.

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 12 years ago

ya I figured, you knew. I just couldn't resist saying that though!

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

your post made it fairly clear - since I haven't researched it I presume what you've posted is accurate.

We live in a world with tremendous amounts of disinformation - "there is no global warming" for example.

In that sense, a lot of what I believe to be real is entirely theoretical. People aren't naturally inclined to perceive reality in this way - but in a strange sense it is liberating.

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 12 years ago

Is the theoretical real?? Do you need drugs for that? : ) Sorry, I'm just a simple girl, with simple sensibilities. So I'm struggling with that one!

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

Is the theoretical real?

Only Theoretically. The theoretical only becomes real upon proof. That is the nature of perception. A tree either is or is not. If it is and you do not experience it, it becomes as if it is not - even if it is.

Do you need drugs for that?

Not at all. I don't do drugs.

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 12 years ago

yes, but I might need some to follow that logic. You on the other hand - you definately DON'T need drugs. Hope you're not offended by the drug reference. I am truly just joking! If there was a joke font - I would have used it !

Change of subject whiplash - A friend of mine was just telling me something about the Shutdown Day of Action tomorrow. OWS is referring to it as N17. N17/17N was some kind of Marxist terrorist group. Again with the bizarre symbolism. I just don't get it. When they can pick any other day like N18. Wiki that. Nothing. So why not do N18? It makes me sad. The post yesterday that we were on, about the communist posters that OWS uses. That made me so sad. Maybe I'm just not cut out for this protesting stuff!

Oh well, it's probably all just theoretical anyway right?!

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 12 years ago

Agreed about the posters. The whole theme is way too militant for the "peaceful" status otherwise proposed.

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 12 years ago

Were you in that post? It makes me sad because I found those pictures so disturbing. It doesn't represent at all the way I feel about the protest. But yet, that is what is being used to represent the protest.

Who voted for those things anyway?? Where is all of the consensus and Direct Democracy when it comes time to choose communist imagery?? Sigh - so frustrating.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 12 years ago

I wasn't in that post, but I didn't like the imagery at all. Even the raised fist thing on the top of this forum doesn't tie in with any of the supposed peaceful non-violent concept, for mine.

I'm with you on the whole "Where is the consensus and Direct Democracy" thing. Was there ever any other proposed posters? I did not see any.

I'm in Australia, so I don't expect to have much of a say in anything, but was there any opportunity to comment on several poster designs?

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

I'm not concerned by it. I do find this interesting though. I hadn't heard of N17 as a Marxist terror group, it must have been during the 70s - it does sound familiar.

I think the current imagery has advantages. It will tend to draw college kids and others who recognize that things must change, they will recognize it as symbolism that stands in direct opposition to everything the one percent stands for and hopes to achieve.

This will put the one percent at ease, which should give the movement time to coalesce around some set of principles that unify us. Bringing an end to the politics of division must be central to that. I say the one percent will be put at ease somewhat, at the outset, because, as you have noted, you guys are uncomfortable with the imagery. You won't be alone in that. They will expect our growth and thereby our influence will be limited.

As we grow, we will evolve.

And the quickest and easiest way to address your personal concerns regarding the iconography is to join a group, and provide your input.

You guys are part of the 99.