Forum Post: We have all been here before...but some never learned
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 10, 2011, 12:53 a.m. EST by parchment101
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We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions. Adolph Hitler 1927
http://historyandpolitics77.blogspot.com/2011/03/we-are-socialists-debunked.html
You may have more in common with Adolph than you thought.
Yeah let's throw out 20th century quotes as if they're relevant here, because all criticism of capitalism must be the same, obviously...
Cuts both ways, of course: "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
nope, we are not socialists, and you are not going to tug us in that direction. you need to wake up and realize that all those who play FOR IDEOLOGY of ANY STRIPE play for the corporate oligarchy.
only SCIENCE escapes the matrix. socialism is a crock of pooh dead men wrote about 100 and 200 years ago.
it has nothing to do with us. at all.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/thetruth-socialismcapitalismcommunismmarxism/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/capitalism-versus-corporatism/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/help-me-understand/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/capitalism-a-love-story/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/sociology/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/energy-101-solution/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/ethics/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/break-your-left-right-conditioning/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/nader-kucinich-and-paul/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/5-facts-you-should-know-about-the-wealthiest-one-p/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/teaching-the-occupation/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/this-forum-needs-structure/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-is-not-your-personal-billboard-for-your-politi/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/systems-theory-primer/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/organize-inform-take-action-effect-change/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/better-website-needed/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/stop-playing-the-devils-games/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/nonviolence-the-only-path/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-not-against-capitalism/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/this-is-not-about-political-stripe-it-is-about-bas/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/national-initiative-for-democracy/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/a-third-political-party-the-movement-of-the-middle/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/300-fema-camps/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-is-a-false-flag-operation/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-this-will-not-work/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/paradigm-shift-now/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/a-proposal-for-focus/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/stop-the-bullshit-posts-and-get-organized/
I'm more afraid of a corrupt government then i am of a Socialist one.
Just because its words from a man that did such horrible deeds doesnt mean his words isnt relevent for the betterment of man today.
As a historian as much as a anthropologist I can tell you that Hitler went mad after he went into office. His polotical party drugged him and kept him higher than a kite in a thunderstorm. Im not supporting anything at all related to him. However I am saying that words, even from a nut job can be used for good or bad.
Dualities are ment to be broken, just because it looks like this movment is anti something doesnt mean its bad.
I know their is a lot of propaganda against this movement. The media is doing their best to not report it and if they do it almost always full of misinformation. They are scared. And we want them to be because that means their handlers are starting to worry that this is one problem that they cannot buy their way out of or make go away. Yahoo is censoring links to this site as well now if you try to paste it in a comment. This is something they just started today. I wonder when the Internet companies that run the backbone servers are going to start to try to censor the information.
This is like the protest that happened in Iran. The govt cut off communication so they could control the media and spin it how they want. Except this time it is the businesses which control everything. I think we are going to find our hacker friends to be very valuable assets to our cause. I hope they can ensure that our messages still flow freely throughout cyberspace.
If only we could get them to break into the tv stations and broadcast the truth.
OWS wants to take something they haven't earned, either by dint of effort or intellectual organization or material contribution to society. They merely want what they want, aka, a child. Hitler was a Leftist, first and foremost. A large enough MOB, sprinkled with a little mis/dis-information, a few well positioned "mainstream" propagandists/apologists/financiers (Cornell West, Paul Krugman, Rachel Maddow, George Soros, NYT), hell, it's just a matter of time before the next Adolph erupts, all in the name of bettering America "for our own good". IT CAN HAPPEN HERE. You may have chosen to overlook that subtle point.
The mainstream consensus amung historians and political scientists is that fascism is a radical, far right, nationalist, nativist, militarist, authoritarian ideology. On economics this sums it up well:
In economics, fascists oppose economic liberalism (as a bourgeois movement) and Marxism (as a proletarian movement) for being class-based movements.[20] Fascists present their ideology as that of an economically trans-class movement that promotes resolving economic class conflict to secure national solidarity.[21] Fascism advocates a state-directed, regulated economy that is dedicated to the nation that supports the use and primacy of private property and private enterprise.
Your spin on Hitler is revisionist history, plain and simple. The rest of your ranting is typical TP bullshit.
As an expert on bullshit you should know that economics does not explain all history. Nazism, Communism, Fascism were all born out of a mosaic of passions for “democracy” in all it's manifestations (OWS anyone?), and those movements had common threads of centralization, materialism and egalitarianism and each of these movements later devolved and ate its own or pursued policies culminating in war and their own destruction. National Socialism - Nazism - ultimately incorporated a mix of left and right wing elements (ah, there’s that nuance again) but indeed first began in the whipped up desires of the masses and in the name of democracy, and with a smidge of intellectual honesty you can trace it’s beginnings back to the French Revolution in all its glory and upheaval and uprooting and nihilism, the incubator for Leftism. No, without some generational order democracy easily mutates into wholesale overturning of the existing order and all it entails - Leftism, nihilism - in the name of progress, fertile ground for utopian, messianic monsters like Hitler. Yes, Hitler was Leftist, among other things. Today you are thrilled to be on the leash of OWS because you believe the human struggle is nothing more than the struggle for "equality" by redsitribution - legal theft - so you are excited that the MOB is on the move and are counting on revolution as the outcome. But tomorrow when they come for you maybe you will think otherwise. Let us know what you see at the revolution!