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No War, Not Now, Not Ever

Posted 1 year ago on Aug. 31, 2013, 1:14 p.m. EST by OccupyWallSt
Tags: syria, obama, assad, war

The “No War With Syria” movement denounces the complete disregard of the government of the United States for the will of the American people as reflected in the government's decision to start yet another war. The movement in no way support the actions of the Assad regime, but we recognize that US intervention will instigate more violence and suffering in Syria. As the U.S. is already hurting from a recession and perpetual wars, becoming involved in Syria will only create further destabilization in the Middle East and strip the people of the United States of desperately needed resources. The “No War With Syria” movement recognizes that the only the American people can stop U.S. intrusion in the Middle East, just as only the people of the Middle East can stop their own internal struggles.

We call on everyone to join us in saying no to yet another U.S. invasion. We recognize that peace cannot be reached through bombs, drone attacks, and murder; peace is created through compassion and forgiveness, which must come from within. Please join us as we gather across the country to begin a campaign to stop the United States government from invading Syria.

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[-] 10 points by Nevada1 (4759) 1 year ago

Thank You OWS. Big success in Parliament------We must do the same in Congress.

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

''Is Attacking Syria Necessary For US National Security ?'', by Glenn Greenwald :

fiat lux ...

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[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

make sure you don't kill his grand daughter by collateral like we did with Gaddafi

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28443) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Gawd - poor thing - I hope she looks like her mom..........just sayin....

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

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Obama's posterior coverage: Congressional approval for Syria strike

Read more: http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/emea-watch/2013/aug/31/obama-will-seek-input-congress-going-war-syria/#ixzz2dg3cKdiO Follow us: @wtcommunities on Twitter

There is not much faith in congress

they voted near anonymously, I mean unanimously for the iraq war

One Tin Soldier - The Legend of Billy Jack

[-] 6 points by DKAtoday (28443) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

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NoWarWithSyria see also http://democracyforamerica.com/pages/857-dfa-membership-survey-syria?akid=3863.2041858._mFx6n&rd=1&source=ND2&t=1

Wage Peace

Don't perpetuate war

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[-] 3 points by Narley (280) 1 year ago

Peace is the only way. We must stop the war mongers this time. I have called and emailed my congressman. This is surreal, how can anyone think attacking Syria will turn out good.

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (3154) 2 months ago

The language of PEACE should be adopted when interacting on the issues of war around the world (Syria, middle east, Ukraine, etc )

We can not resolve war by joining in the verbal violence that currently dominates international dialogue.

We can identify the war mongers/verbal violence purveyors, but should focus our energies on pushing PEACE.

Cease fires, Diplomacy, Negotiation, compromise, international tribunals, disarmament,

These elements of de-escalation should be reflected in our conversation.

The Occupy movement certainly illustrates the power of simply changing the dialogue of an issue.

"All we are sayin' is Give PEACE a Chance"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGJqck5y91o

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

The same way they thought the last 7 nations... out of sight, out of mind.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

For a fictional exposition of the facts to follow your interesting aside, please consider :

Where are we at ?!!! How'd we get here ?!! Why is more war considered a good thing ?!

et cui bono ?

[-] -1 points by buliau (-29) 1 year ago

I don't care for Tweets, but I'll be sharing this at the next protest on September 17th. We need to fight this Obamination of a war idea.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (28443) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

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Campaign to wage peace instead.

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[-] 2 points by 99nproud (3154) 2 months ago

Diplomacy, Cease fire, negotiations, compromise.

Path to Peace

[-] 2 points by LeoYo (5784) 1 year ago

Chris Hedges on Obama's Decision to Attack Syria and "Give Congress a Voice"

Sunday, 01 September 2013 13:28 By Paul Jay, The Real News Network | Video Interview

http://truth-out.org/news/item/18533-chris-hedges-on-obama-decision-to-attack-syria-and-give-congress-a-voice


The Lie of "Limited War" in Syria

Monday, 02 September 2013 14:36 By Shamus Cooke, The Workers Action | Op-Ed

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/18548-the-lie-of-limited-war-in-syria


Possible Consequences of a US military attack on Syria—Remembering the Marine Barracks destruction in Beirut, 1983

Monday, 02 September 2013 14:47 By Ann Wright, War Is a Crime | News Analysis

http://truth-out.org/news/item/18549-possible-consequences-of-a-us-military-attack-on-syria-remembering-the-marine-barracks-destruction-in-beirut-1983


The "Honest Broker" is Crooked

Monday, 02 September 2013 09:50 By Noam Chomsky, Truthout | News Analysis

http://truth-out.org/news/item/18535-the-honest-broker-is-crooked

[-] 2 points by Phanya2011 (908) from Tucson, AZ 1 year ago

Photography by hamde abu rahma - Kerry showed a picture implying the rows and rows of shrouded bodies over which a boy is skipping (I don't know how to post it from Facebook) when in fact it had nothing to do with it. .

IMPORTANT TO KNOW ! So, Secretary of State John Kerry referenced this photograph when making his speech today, trying to drive home how awful the Syrian chemical attack was as he tried to convince us why we should go to war. One problem. The picture isn't even from Syria. It's from Iraq in 2003. The photographer, Marco di Lauro, said he nearly "fell off his chair" when he saw it was being used to promote a war in Syria. It's getting pretty disturbing to see how far our politicians, both Republican and Democrat, are willing to go to drum up support for a war nobody wants.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

I didn't join the navy to drop bombs on Iraq #NoWarWithSyria

[-] -2 points by IceAge (-1) 1 year ago

Did you join to work on your suntan?

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

lasers are done in the dark

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

I don't believe the circumstance suggest the chemical attack by the government. The US is just trying to make excuses to kill with bombs. The US has lied in the recent past to invade Iraq The US has no credibility and will further damage that by destroying more countries and lives

the president sounds like a rules layer looking for an excuse

further, I find the US of bombs no different than chemical attacks

dead is dead

mass destruct is mass destruction

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (21084) 1 year ago

"We recognize that peace cannot be reached through bombs, drone attacks, and murder; peace is created through compassion and forgiveness, which must come from within."

That pretty much says it all. Thank you.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

'Who Are You To Decide That You Will Launch A War ?" - George Galloway in UK Parliament :

fiat pax ...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21084) 1 year ago

"...The question is are they mad enough to do it? To launch a chemical weapons attack in Damascus on the very day that a UN chemical weapons inspection team arrives in Damascus must be a new definition of madness."

Thank you George Galloway. Truth there. See 2:03 of the video.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Yep, can't get enough of George and his passionate advocacy for fairness and peace & also fyi :

fiat lux ...

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (21084) 1 year ago

47% of taxpayer money goes to the military, past and present. Interesting. They need a lot of belligerence to justify that. Thanks for the pie chart.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Turns out that its 57% of discretionary spending, as per some charts and stats you appended on another thread and I reply (as I may have there, lol) with this short but really very arresting video :

fiat pax ...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21084) 1 year ago

A great history lesson in 9 minutes. Well worth watching, thanks.

What stands out to me is that the military pays for 234 golf courses with our money. Freaking outrageous! Pretty much says it all.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Wars wouldn't happen if Banksters didn't see profit and/or Imperialists and Oligarchs didn't see and salivate at the prospect of ever more power and resources & ergo, as a humorous aside, I append :

verum ex absurdo ...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21084) 1 year ago

I like the "Dance Break." LOL. Now, if only we could get more Americans to sing those sentiments. Class struggle seems to be more embedded in the UK and Europe in general, but we Americans are slowly awakening.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Americans are taught to forget their past of collective organisation and struggle by The Corporate MSM & (mis)education system even as Modern High-Finance ; Low Ethics Crapitalism (ie. Modern Corporate Banksterism / 'Hoover-Up Kaputalism' ) is so clearly seen as a busted flush and any honest person, in possession of the most rudimentary ethical compass can clearly see that. Solidarity and here's hoping that Americans can reconnect with their own history :

respice, adspice, prospice ...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21084) 1 year ago

This is why I was so happy when OWS first took off. It was simply amazing to see Americans begin to wake up to class consciousness. I never thought it would happen in my lifetime.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

mmmPHATic ditto et dum spiro spero ...

The Revolution Continues Worldwide ..

pax et lux ; nunc et semper ... .. .

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21084) 1 year ago

Hey, yeah, this is a revolutionary movement, lest we forget. That means big change, a new system altogether.

Do you know this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHwcPgQ-q6o

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Very nice tune indeed & yes bw I do & so mS2u ~

bonne nuit ..

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21084) 1 year ago

:) Sweet. Mine to you, too. 'Night.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28443) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Also - In compliment:

I wanted to make sure that you saw Jim's email yesterday asking for your opinion on how the US should proceed in Syria. This is a complex situation, and as a member driven organization, we want to hear your thoughts on how you think the US and DFA should move forward.

Please take a moment to let our team know your views on Syria.

Thanks for being part of DFA,

Charles

Charles Chamberlain, Executive Director Democracy for America


FW: Where do you stand on Syria? Sender: Jim Dean, Democracy For America

The civil war in Syria has claimed over 100,000 lives. And last Wednesday, the situation got even worse: at least 350 people died and over 3,600 were hospitalized after a suspected chemical attack.

Increasingly, it looks like the US may be planning a military response.

This situation is complicated, and Democracy For America members are expressing a variety of views on how we should proceed. We need to hear from you to find out where you stand.

Please take a moment to express your views on Syria here.

If you aren't sure where you stand right now, even that information is helpful. As a membership driven organization, it is vital that we hear from you. So don't hold back. Let us know what you think right now.

Thanks for all you do to move America and DFA forward,

Jim

Jim Dean, Chair Democracy for America

Donate today

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Based on the current situation, do you support U.S. military intervention in Syria?:

NO

Please take a moment to tell us why or explain your position.:

If we get involved at this point in time - it should be to air drop medical and food supplies to the civilians in the cities as well as send food and medical supplies to all of the refugee camps and every ( lawful ? ) country in the world should do the same.

The Middle East can be considered as largely lawless ( 10,000,000 Arabs.Muslims killed by each other in how many years? ). Considering this - arms are the last thing anyone should be sending into the region.

America and every ( lawful ? ) country in the world - should withhold on sending any armaments to anyone. Peace will not break out at the end of a gun. Now while every lawful country withholds pouring fuel onto the fire - they should also be pressuring for a cease in all hostilities ( helpful if they follow through on stopping arms shipments ).

Any military action really should be carried out by the UN not NOT the USA. This military action "should" for one thing - STOP the Shelling and Bombing of the cities/civilians - that would mean declaring the whole area a no fly zone and immediately enforcing it. US military take note - stop using drone war fare in civilized areas = villages towns cities. Take out ( destroy ) all of the machines of war that are being used on and in the cities.

Do you have any other thoughts on Syria you'd like to share? :

On Syria and the middle east and Africa - stop sending in arms. Sane approach to peace health and prosperity throughout the region is better achieved - NOT by sending MONEY or ARMS - BUT by sending equipment that will provide the area with clean/green energy = solar farms wind farms even Thorium Reactors and Liquid Metal Batteries ( for storage and distribution - things we should be doing here at home as well ). Also water purification equipment. REMOVE THE REASONS FOR - THE CAUSES OF - STRIFE. This also includes breaking the fossil fuel necessity ( we need to do this for the environment anyway ).

A lot cheaper approach then to perpetuate war - kinder to ALL life.

[-] 5 points by JohnWa (513) 1 year ago

The Middle East has been a focus of Western opportunism, particularly since WWI. Syria today is a result of past US intervention.

We are increasing our abilities to earn enemies with invasions, drones, bombing, occupation and the mining of assets and resources across this strife ridden home of civilization.

I believe our record of past interventions includes a new round of bombing each 40 months on average.

No peace initiative is won by invasion but peace is not the target the bankers are after. There is too much money to be made from war and the tax payer and public here suffer.

The only terrorists easily recognizable sit either within US administration or closely behind them driving the slaughter. Psychopaths reign without restraint.

Protest and pacifism are but two of the tools we have against the war criminals.

[-] 4 points by Nevada1 (4759) 1 year ago

Well Said.

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (3154) 2 months ago

Agreed! NO WAR!

Syria, Iraq, Ukraine, Isreal are all eventually resource wars. Stop buying oil as an anti war protest.

Many peaceful protests and boycotts is the best approach.

[-] -1 points by JosephB (26) 1 year ago

Syria is another false flag event.

The lies we are fed make the nation sick - er.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Bombing the Syrians back into the stone age will actually backfire in a number of ways to the detriment of the criminal overlords.

People are not just starting to doubt everything in the press, they are cuckolding it as well. The boy has cried wolf too many times now. Barry Sotoro has about as much credibility as a WMD crier after Iraq.

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[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4759) 1 year ago

Everyone needs to see this.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Yep.

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (3154) 2 months ago

Love is the answer

[-] 1 points by Garibaldi (0) 1 year ago

Our congress no longer represents the American people. They instead represent oil barons seeking to take advantage of Syrian oil fields which we will no doubt be made custodians of once we have completely reduced the Syrian nation to rubble. It belongs to the death peddlers like Lockheed Marin who will no doubt generously arm the forces of death we send to Syria. These individuals fund the campaigns of men such as Robert Mendez who today granted his support for Iraq 2.0. If Congress is not shown that there will be consequences for such abject betrayal of the people they are meant to support, then it will be the voices of death peddlers and oil kings that are heard over the cries of parents not wishing to see their children shipped off to their deaths. Our cause has found success in Britain and can find success in the Nation which originated it.

[-] 1 points by Revolutionary (267) 1 year ago

USA resorts to war because it has been emboldened by the selfishness of Pakistan who lack humane values and who use second hand intelligence which lacks subjectiveness but possesses only objectivity/superficiality.

[-] 1 points by IndigoRed (78) 1 year ago

Everyone, I will not compel you into making a decision, but I come to you simply with evidence of what I am about to say: This potential war with Syria is a precursor - following the war with Iraq - for plans of a conspiracy designed and driven by the money masters of the western world, AKA the oligarchs of the New World Order. These human beings have so much wealth that they are able to place themselves outside of human life and experience that the rest of us are so accustomed to that they live as if they are in another dimension - comparable to gods looming over entire civilizations from the skies. All human events around the world are a constant stream of events (imagine never dreaming, hoping or thinking of another world/life - all physical human actions are confined to a bubble limited by the size of the planet that began ages ago and plays out analogous to a chemical reaction, the outcome of which is predictable) planned for, predicted by, and due to these elites, like the Iraq war. If America goes to war with Syria or is responsible for the destruction of its current government, these masterminds will be one step closer to having their one world government and this will cause suffering for the majority of mankind on a scale only comparable to the world wars. I present video evidence of what I speak of and simply state that if we show sympathy to the Syrian people like the elite expect of us and go to war, we will have fallen into their trap and allow ourselves to be one step closer to this new form of slavery: a slave of the global elite. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB17j0a-R34

The most sure-fire way to have an enduring and convincing effect on your congressional representative is to have prophetic abilities and I will instruct you how. You must first understand that what is unraveling in the middle east is not about Syria but a broader strategy for eliminating threats that could potentially oppose the western powers around the world. Syria is just a stepping stone - more is yet to come and soon it will seem as if the entire middle east has exploded into war.

Here is your script for what to tell your representative: The United States will shortly go to war with Libya if it goes to war with Syria. As a taxpaying U.S. citizen, I do not give permission for my tax dollars to be used to fund a war with Libya. You will not have my vote in the next congressional elections if you allow my tax dollars to fund a war with Libya. Represent me as my elected congressman/woman of the state of insert your state here in the congressional vote to use my tax dollars for military intervention outside of American territory.

Spread it around, folks, godspeed.

[-] -1 points by zacharilogan (-54) 1 year ago

All human events around the world are a constant stream of events (imagine never dreaming, hoping or thinking of another world/life - all physical human actions are confined to a bubble limited by the size of the planet that began ages ago and plays out analogous to a chemical reaction, the outcome of which is predictable) planned for, predicted by, and due to these elites, like the Iraq war.

If these so called elites have been in control since the beginning of humanity, they are not very effective. It's taking them quite a long time to achieve their nefarious dream of a one world government.

Here is your script for what to tell your representative...

If you believe a secret shadowy force nicknamed the elite is plotting to take over the world, why would you trust a representative. Better you adopt Occupy's principle of anarchy. The people have the power to change the world by themselves. No need for representatives. They are all corrupted by your so-called elites.

[-] 1 points by IndigoRed (78) 1 year ago

It is the most efficient way to cause change without resorting to destruction. Societies of human beings need order, and thousands of years of experimentation with developing systems to create order among men has shown that our way of representational government creates the most stable and therefore prosperous civilizations in history. Anarchy solves nothing and leads to the decay of nations then provinces/states, then cities, then communities and finally on an individual level. It is corrosive to the human mind and spirit to live without order.

These representatives still think like you and me at some level though, even if their livelihoods are dependent on these elites. Trust in the system. Trust in mankind. We are destined for a greater future - all of us, together.

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[-] 1 points by IndigoRed (78) 1 year ago

And I disagree that a 'world' with one country would have no competition. If you remember your reading of US history from your high school text books, the United States was an isolationist country up until WW1 and it thrived during the industrial age simply with intranational business and industry.

[-] 1 points by IndigoRed (78) 1 year ago

We must trust the system that is known to all and in writing (the constitution) and is not clandestine, secretive or manipulate using covet means. You're mincing words and not understanding that these elites act outside of any laws or influence: they are the ones who influence, using their vast wealth obtained through their royal families for centuries. They do not have control of the system but influence it and have incredible influential power.

If you're confused that political power is just as great as monetary power, understand that when entire countries (Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Iran, the French Empire, England, etc.) fall or their governments fall, the people AND THEREFORE businesses lose confidence in the place they live and investments, bank savings, stocks, contracts and every business transaction that relies on trust go up in the wind.

I don't know what the elites want with a one world government but I'm certain they realize it will make hundreds of millions homeless and suffer. Perhaps they are planning to systematically depopulate the Earth by starving out the masses so they may have a larger share of this beautiful, blue planet we live on. I understand the importance of competition but I'm not talking about capitalism here, I'm talking about secretive elite groups seeking to overthrow governments in the middle east as the next step to their plans for a one world government. I'm not even sure these people think about international trade anymore.

OH and could you tell me what it is that they do exactly? I've known of their existence for years now and still have no idea what the extremely wealthy do. I'd love to know. Please enlighten everyone reading this conversation.

[-] 1 points by itsmyblood (10) 1 year ago

NO MORE WAR!

Eddie Vedder - No More http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqPzS8Y27Ks

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

''Who Blocked Syrian Peace Talks ?'', by Robert Parry :

''The War on Iran Begins In Syria'', by Eric Draitser :

''The Broader Stakes of Syrian Crisis'', by Ray McGovern :

''U.S. Neocon Hawks Take Flight Over Syria'', by Jim Lobe :

''The Real Target of These Attacks is Not Syria'', by Robert Fisk :

Finally, please consider : ''What is the West’s real agenda ? This is the unasked and unanswered question. Clearly, the US, UK, and French governments, which have displayed continuously their support for dictatorial regimes that serve their purposes, are not the least disturbed by dictatorships. They brand Assad a dictator as a means of demonizing him for the ill-informed Western masses. But Washington, UK, and France support any number of dictatorial regimes, such as the ones in Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, and now the military dictatorship in Egypt that is ruthlessly killing Egyptians without any Western government speaking of invading Egypt for “killing its own people.” from :

Btw, re. your link above, I always dug 'Pearl Jam' & it beats the ass off Mylie's 'twerking' so thanx & fyi :

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 0 points by HeckleJekyll (-2) 1 year ago

Where was the USA's drive for moral intervention to stop the genocide in the Congo, Darfur, Rwanda. Millions have been killed there, yet nothing was done, because the USA favored those regimes.

The U.S. looked the other way when then allied Saddam gased the kurds in the early 80's. Nothing was done because he was doing our bidding by fighting Iran.

The USA ignored massacres in Bahrain, because we favour their regime.

What nation is the world's biggest exporter of terrorism? What nation is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Libya? What nation has ignored the sovereign borders of many other nations?

Govt sponsored terrorism, is terrorism all the same.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28443) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

A true statement - just because a government "does it" - it does not mean that it is not criminal or terroristic. But the USA is not the only country with an indifferent government - indifferent to the killings and strife in other countries - nor is it the only country that is aggressive militarily in going after what it wants.

Currently - guerrilla insurgents from across the border are raising hell in Syria. Though this started after Assad started a military program of Democide on his people. The guerrillas could well be armed with serin and using it for their own reasons. Still that does not absolve Assad of his program of Democide.

Been going on for a couple of years now - look at all of the indifference of all the nations in the UN. Look at the big three that are looking after their own interests in the area - USA, Russia, China. There are others plenty of others with an interest in the area. And look at what has been done over the decades to settle things down in the area - Arms Shipments and such.

There is plenty of blame to go around. Around the world.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

democide ?

Democide is a term revived and redefined by the political scientist R. J. Rummel as "the murder of any person or people by a government, including genocide, politicide and mass murder.

There is plenty of blame to go around. Around the world.

fair enough but that doesn't give the US a free pass to practice that

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28443) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago
[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

got it

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

pat pat pat

There wasn't any room below.

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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28443) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Translation - US and Obama aren't that bad.

Translation = U have a specific agenda which does not recognize all of the other involvements/causes.

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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28443) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Greed is the #1 cause of Disease Death & Destruction in the World.

Democide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Based on the current situation, do you support U.S. military intervention in Syria?:

NO

Please take a moment to tell us why or explain your position.:

If we get involved at this point in time - it should be to air drop medical and food supplies to the civilians in the cities as well as send food and medical supplies to all of the refugee camps and every ( lawful ? ) country in the world should do the same.

The Middle East can be considered as largely lawless ( 10,000,000 Arabs.Muslims killed by each other in how many years? ). Considering this - arms are the last thing anyone should be sending into the region.

America and every ( lawful ? ) country in the world - should withhold on sending any armaments to anyone. Peace will not break out at the end of a gun. Now while every lawful country withholds pouring fuel onto the fire - they should also be pressuring for a cease in all hostilities ( helpful if they follow through on stopping arms shipments ).

Any military action really should be carried out by the UN not NOT the USA. This military action "should" for one thing - STOP the Shelling and Bombing of the cities/civilians - that would mean declaring the whole area a no fly zone and immediately enforcing it. US military take note - stop using drone war fare in civilized areas = villages towns cities. Take out ( destroy ) all of the machines of war that are being used on and in the cities.

Do you have any other thoughts on Syria you'd like to share? :

On Syria and the middle east and Africa - stop sending in arms. Sane approach to peace health and prosperity throughout the region is better achieved - NOT by sending MONEY or ARMS - BUT by sending equipment that will provide the area with clean/green energy = solar farms wind farms even Thorium Reactors and Liquid Metal Batteries ( for storage and distribution - things we should be doing here at home as well ). Also water purification equipment. REMOVE THE REASONS FOR - THE CAUSES OF - STRIFE. This also includes breaking the fossil fuel necessity ( we need to do this for the environment anyway ).

A lot cheaper approach then to perpetuate war - kinder to ALL life.

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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28443) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

But you ignore the corp(se)oRAT influence on government as well as corp(se)oRATist politicians in office ( state & Fed ) that forward these military resource oriented agendas. It is NOT one individual's doing - All of the crap of our dying democracy and our dying planet.

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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28443) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Beat your drum idiot - beat your drum. It's all obummers fault folks - listen to the voice of zack - it is all the fault of obummer.

What ( the people ask ) what is all the fault of obummer?

Why everything ( zack replies ) everything.

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[-] -2 points by zacharilogan (-54) 1 year ago

Nope, I didn't say it was all Obama's fault. Read my messages again. I said he's part of the problem, just like all the other 1%ers. But, because he's President of US, he's a 1% with a lot of power these days. If you read the Monsanto Protection Act, you'll find his signature.

We should go after all the 1%ers. No exceptions.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28443) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Well then - I would suggest you do a lot of work on how you present things. As - for right now - you - look to be - obsessed with obummer.

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[-] -1 points by buliau (-29) 1 year ago

Why would a user be considered a troll if a lot of people read his posts?

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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28443) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

[-] -1 points by zacharilogan (-6) 3 minutes ago

We are denouncing the complete disregard from the government of the United States which is led by Obama. You don't think he has a big responsibility to play in this? If not, that's fine. Include everyone else you want. Don't exclude Obama though. He's part of the 1%. I'm not sure why you got all uptight that I mentioned his name. Is it a taboo here or something? I noticed this other guy, shooz, seems upset as well.

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OH GO SPANK YOUR MEAT you little strident ass.

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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28443) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Who is defending obummer?

"The “No War With Syria” movement denounces the complete disregard of the government of the United States for the will of the American people as reflected in the government's decision to start yet another war."

The again - who is singling obummer out? Not the no war with Syria movement as your comment shows.

Here - for Ur enjoyment:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/mr-president-with-all-due-respect-fuck-you/

[-] -3 points by zacharilogan (-54) 1 year ago

We are denouncing the complete disregard from the government of the United States which is led by Obama. You don't think he has a big responsibility to play in this? If not, that's fine. Include everyone else you want. Don't exclude Obama though. He's part of the 1%. I'm not sure why you got all uptight that I mentioned his name. Is it a taboo here or something? I noticed this other guy, shooz, seems upset as well.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28443) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Who tied - presented and tied that legislation as a rider? A rider that would stop the legislation it was tied to? UMmmmmmmmmmm let me think ....

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

blood money compensation for all those blown to shlag by US arms

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Who are these others?

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[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Names please.

Generics aren't very useful.

And what State are you in?

[-] -2 points by zacharilogan (-54) 1 year ago

I'm in New-York. Get the names of all the politicians for the Democrats and the Republicans. Add to that all the names of Evangelists with power. Then all the rich people who use their power over others. The list is in the thousands and thousands of people.

But really, I'm not interested in particular actors. Obama is important for this posting since this news article by Occupy is about the government Obama is leading, but what really interests me is the system. Even if you change the actors, the system will simply corrupt the new ones. The problem is the system. It's capitalism which creates monetary power over others, and political hierarchy which creates political power over others.

You seem almost angry that I would be against Obama's way of presiding the country. Perhaps I'm reading you wrong? It's hard to tell what people are thinking sometimes on these forums.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28443) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

-] -1 points by zacharilogan (-37) 11 minutes ago

And you're shooz's web bodyguard? You guys lovers or something? Why are you both stalking me?

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My My My - U sound suspiciously like a certain trash-can - U guys network?

[-] -1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

I was thinking girl friday

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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28443) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

[-] -1 points by zacharilogan (-15) 1 minute ago

Sounds like you're paid to be Obama's web bodyguard.

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It "seems" as though U and Ur's do not know the difference between -

DEMOCRACY

&

DEMOCRAT

Not surprising.

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[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Yet you only repeat the name of a single "actor". Several times in fact, while ignoring all others..

Do you get paid by the number?

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

i keep giving this points but the points they do nothing

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[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

What I was looking for was the names of the CEOs of the defense contractors and their attendant lobbyists. in New York, as well as their major controlling share holders.

Actual names, not political rhetoric..

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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28443) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Well - now the strident republicon supporter sounds-off. SURPRISE - NOT.

Hey little sock - did you get reinstated? Ummm - by the site - I mean. Not by your Hot air-idness self.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

thanks

i do my best

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[-] -2 points by HeckleJekyll (-2) 1 year ago

You are correct.

President Barry, Oblahblah, Obomber is a con man. So are any others who support our corrupt money oriented political system. What has Obomber done to get money out of politics? To prosecute the criminals on Wall st? To stop the MIC? To end Neoliberalism policies that are destroying the Middle class? Clearly Barry is a puppet of the 1%.

The speech giver in chief. Monsanto protector, TPP promoter, war crimes, peace prize winner.

Why is this 1% puppet being vehemently defended on the Occupy forum?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28443) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

obummer ? vehemently defended ? aAHHAHAHAhahaha

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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28443) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Responding here - U R the 1 keeping the conversation going ( want to stop going back and forth? - don't reply. )

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28443) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Responding here - "I" am pretty sure who U R - and I guess "U" remain the same ( no surprise ) - it is only OK 4 U 2 B insulting - Hey? U run around trying 2 put words in peoples mouths - and wonder why U might get slapped. This is an open forum - in that - posts and comments made R open 2 all 2 respond 2 - butt - "U" already know that.

BTW - it is not my fault that U R a Mental midget.

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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28443) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

And the beat goes on - and the beat goes on - drums keep pounding dementia into it's Brain - la de da de de - la de da de da - and the beat goes on - and the beat goes on on on on

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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28443) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

[-] -2 points by zacharilogan (-37) 55 minutes ago

Do I know you? What's your real name. I use mine here. Here's my site: http://www.zacharilogan.com/

Like I said, I'm not here to play trolling games. Could you please stop stalking me?

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If U R not trying to impersonate this guy? U sound pretty much self-involved anyway. huh another reason U sound like a certain trash-can.

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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28443) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Hey - shill boy - your song - drums keep pounding dementia into it's Brain - la de da de de - la de da de da - and the beat goes on - and the beat goes on on on on

One upped ? Sorry U feel that way. Not my fault if U R slow.

This place isn't healthy.

If so - U & yours made it that way.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

i am typhoid mary

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[-] 0 points by factsrfun (7064) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

We should stop trading with Russia and stop trading with any country that trades with Russia, until Russia tells Syria to stop this crap, but that would cost a lot of money and the American people will most likely decide to spend the lives of working class children instead.

[-] -1 points by buliau (-29) 1 year ago

Obama is a horrible president who's been leading America in the wrong direction since he's been elected. His idea of going to war is wrong and dangerous. We should occupy with vehemence and integrity to stop this war from happening. There are other ways America can intervene if it wants to be the world's savior.

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

except every other section of the world has other plans

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[-] -1 points by buliau (-29) 1 year ago

Sarcasm doesn't really work on the InternetI guess.

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[-] -2 points by buliau (-29) 1 year ago

Obama joining Occupy to fund and create a huge world protest for peace would be amazing! That could change the world! I'd give him another Nobel Peace Prize for it.

Sadly, it won't happen. Obama is part of the 1%. He doesn't really care about peace even though he has a Nobel Peace Prize. You know the 1% are making a mockery of the world when they give the Nobel Peace prize to someone like Obama. I feel like they spat in my face.

[-] -2 points by zacharilogan (-54) 1 year ago

Ya, you're right. We need a president with integrity, honesty, and real will to help his people. But how? I don't think it's possible in the current system. Someone would have to be corrupted and malicious like Obama to even have a chance to make it to the top.

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[-] -2 points by zoealif (-3) 1 year ago

"Peace is created through compassion and forgiveness, which must come from within."???? Especially when you opponent is using chemical weapons. OMG - the US left intelligensia :/

Read some actual news from Syrians who have been protesting and opposing the Assad regime.

http://tahriricn.wordpress.com/ http://darthnader.net/ https://www.facebook.com/ActivistsNewsAssociation