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Forum Post: 'Timeo Pax Americana' : Banksters ; OilyGarchs ; Obomber ; Libya & "some information from beyond the MSM veil".

Posted 5 years ago on Nov. 2, 2011, 11:21 p.m. EST by shadz66 (19985)
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Barack 'Obomber' is proving to be yet another Neo-Imperialist American President but this time with a clear NeoCON tinge. 'Ohbummer' is more likely to be a happy puppet of Banksters and Imperial Interests, than someone who will ever deliver any kind of "change we can believe in". Indeed, 'Oblah-blah's hypocritical words re. "Change we can believe in", now appear to have all the hallmarks of psychopathy & recalling those pre-election speeches is now enough to induce extreme nausea.

The new front on the 21st century resource wars is Africa and Libya was 'Chapter 1' as AFRICOM ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7026197.stm ) is now in full swing. Therefore, with reference to Libya and for some information from beyond the MSM veil, I post some points and observations :

1) Libya's offers to other African countries to trade, exchange and barter Libya's abundant gas and oil ( http://www.oilandgaslibya.com/ ) in exchange for agricultural produce, raw materials and especially Gaddaffi's thoughts, ideas and proposals for a Pan-Continental Africa GOLD backed currency { http://www.goldstockbull.com/articles/libya-invas.... }, which would thus have undermined existing notions of the "petro-dollar" and demand for the U$D as the Global Reserve Currency ... is Absolutely Critical to understanding NATO's War on Libya ;

2) An ever greedy corporate eye is being cast upon Libya's unlikely but very real Water resources ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Manmade_River ), which will be available for future export to Malta, Sicily, Egypt & Tunisia etc., { http://www.waterpolitics.com/2011/07/31/water-big.... } ;

3) Libya has almost no national debt & is NOT in hock to the Unholy & Usurious WTO/IMF/World Bank - Nexus. Libya's 2010 debt was less than $6.4 Billion & 9% of GDP at a per capita debt of only $970/person - (See line 99, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt ) ;

4) Having a State Owned Central Bank, Libya isn't a member of that Elitist Club of Private Central Bankers, the Bank of International Settlements. One of the first acts of "The Rebels" was to establish A New Private Central Bank of Libya ( http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27881.htm ). This point can NOT be Emphasised Enough ;

5) Libya ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya ) has a very small population relative to its size (~6.5M) & thus seems ripe for de facto take over in the always avaricious eyes of The Empire & the Global Oligarchs, who with the help, blood & lives of "The Rebels", will now seek to turn Libya into yet another Imperial Fiefdom.

Alas, the modus operandi of this latest WAR for Resources & Imperial Hegemony is now increasingly clear for us all to see. Libyans should be extremely wary about "throwing the baby out with the bath water" and of "jumping out of the frying pan & into the fire" ; as becoming indentured Wage-Slaves to the Oily-garchs and being in perpetual Debt-Bondage to The Infernal Banksters will NEVER constitute Liberty, Prosperity or Dignity for Libyans.

timeo 'Pax Americana' et dona ferentes ...



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[-] 6 points by beautifulworld (22707) 5 years ago

To your point 2 above, there is nothing more sinister for mankind than the privatization of the water supply. Have we gone mad? Water as a commodity? No. Water is a human right, not something to be traded on the futures market, not a merit good, but a public good, that should be available to all human beings that walk this earth, for free.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 weeks ago

"Libya about oil? Or water? Or both?" Well bw .. about both .. AND then some!!! Think Dollar Hegemony threatened by Libya's plans for Gold Backed Pan-African Currency!! Also let me know IF you manage to de-cypher the other reply you got here and which I took liberty to read .. given this is my old forum-post! Thanx for the interesting and highly relevant links and finally, fyi - consider:

e tenebris, lux?

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22707) 2 weeks ago

New Muslim Ban. Libya makes the list again.

6 countries: Libya, Syria, Iran, Yemen, Sudan and Somalia.


"Donald Trump’s new ‘Muslim ban’ still does not include countries that have produced terrorists"

"Executive order excludes Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Egypt"


[-] 1 points by grapes (4793) 1 week ago

Sparrow-2 Libya-0 from the Reagan years calmed down Gadhafi's exports. The most important ally of the U.S. in the Middle East is Saudi Arabia due to snake oil/petrodollar. Israel is our closest ally there.

We use the Israelis to spy on U.S. domestic citizens(FBI is technically inferior to other intelligence organizations so "domestic" citizenship being guarded by the FBI is suspect at best) so anyone(read as powerful people excluding dead-enders such as squeaky 0 ba ma[無爹娘]) who has any dirt must fear Israel and that's why Israel behaves arrogantly. Donald Trump needs to grasp the concept of "non-suspect"(lightness of skin color helps) citizenship(something probably "knows" but it's not consciously known until it's analyzed. It's a bit like being stripped naked as a preschooler by a self-denuded pubescent babysitter and never thinking of that as "sexual molestation" but as a game of "Wall-Street broad strips and the bright stares" until consciousness picks up the definition)

Nowadays, data are recorded somewhere, somehow, all of the time - the U.S. response to 9/11 attacks was to collect even more data than could be analyzed so post mortem analysis could find the culprit(s) quickly. Living in out of the way places such as Staten Island of NY NY or other "islands" enhances one's "non-suspect" citizenship by lowering one's profile. One can also hide in plain sight - people never believe what they don't want to believe(e.g., sexual molestation).

Israel is over there in the Middle East as our unsinkable aircraft carrier to keep watch over Saudi Arabia(the keeper of the 00$ global license), Egypt, the United Arab Emirates, and other Arab countries. Of course, Israel will also watch the non-Arab Iran, for its own survival interest. That fits well with the interests of the U.S. defense establishment and industries(since the 1979 Iranian Islamic Revolution).

When things are all stirred up in the Middle East, the U.S. defense industries get to sell arms to many countries there. There are perennial foreign aids in military equipments to both Israel and Egypt(great peace bought at the lives of the two "candles" martyrs). Saudi Arabia has also become a yuuge huuge customer of U.S. military equipments - thanks to Iran's drive(which will likely succeed over time, like DPRK's travails to nuclear-tipped ICBMs) towards its ancient Persian supremacy via nuclear and missile technologies and weapons.

Who benefits from all the chaos in the Middle East? Yeah, right! How smart you are! Is it the Japanese who sold the fleet of white Toyota trucks to ISIL? If things seem murky, look at the money flow instead. Eyes will be opened.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 days ago

Living on Staten Island .. does what?! Re. Israel & USA ... errrrr, who's in charge in that relationship exactly?!! Can you quote Ariel Sharon here & btw - just because Toyota makes the trucks in Japan doesn't mean that they directly sold them to ISIS as facts on the ground mean that either Turkey or Saudi Arabia did that!!! + You may also want to consider...

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by grapes (4793) 5 days ago

State, Stating, Stated, Staten Island! It's from an English grammar drill for the foot-in-mouth-disease laager defense. Staten Island has the biggest trash processing operation in New York, NY. There's a humongous landfill there as well as barges for sending the garbage elsewhere. Staten Island is excellent for hiding out of sight while still being a part of New York, NY although it's more "New Jersey" and suburban than "the City."

I suspect that we can find just about anything in the landfill("It's the field that matters. All else flow from the Mat." 7:7-8). I'm an authority on dumps as I've played day-in and day-out as a preschooler archeologist/recycler in our neighborhood trash dump after my neighborhood-boy playmate had introduced me to the Mine, not just "Yours." Sometimes I felt as if I were Romulus building the Eternal City for my ants found abundantly there as I moved the dirt piles around forming structures for them using a bit of water(I had the power of the forty-days-and-forty-nights Belgian-boy Deluge to stop their war). Oh yes, ants were racialized asses, too, with the red ants attacking the black ants("national" conflict raping the "Sabine nymphets" but they were all Mine!)

It's just too bad that Herr Drumpf hasn't created the A.S.S. yet, where the racialized asses can work on skin-color discrimination for the 》amerikanische Staatssicherheit.《 Jobs, jobs, jobs! I'd even appreciate tens of millions of jobs for monitoring the below-toilet-bowl-rim security cameras to enforce the toilet laws sorting out "birth-certificate genitalia, chromosomal sex, gender, sexual orientation, dress-code and grooming orientation" and every combination thereof.

Another laager defense is to hide in plain sight, here. 》Wie findest Du meine Heimat? Ich liebe die Pferde und den zentralen Park. Siehst Du nicht? Es gibt auch viele Tannenbäume. Was liegt hinterher? Alles und nichts!《

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 week ago

''THE PENTAGON has deployed several hundred marines to Northern Syria, the Washington Post and CNN reported this week. Their mission .. firing long-range artillery to help recapture Raqqa, ISIS’s self-proclaimed capital city.'' from

Thanx for your link. Sorry to say it - but the word ''REACTIONARY'' could have been made just for Trump and his specific type of ignorant - yet arrogant American Blowhard! Of the New 6 Country ban..ALL have been interfered with by U$A since WW2 & all but Iran are now dysfunctional or destroyed yet ''Executive order excludes Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Egypt" .. the primary agents of US Power in the area!! This shit just can NOT go on forever BUT those at the tippy-top of these (& other!) Oligarchies, always think it will!!! From domestic US p-o-v - consider Thom Hartmann & guest in this video:

spero meliora ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 weeks ago

To arms?! In America?!! It happened already and no armed populist revolt will happen there, as RWNJ Merca is too RW to repeat the feats of The Founders & so any Popular Revolt will have to be peaceful, as violence .. only panders to the strengths of - The Hyper-Violent Deep State!!!

Also - Volk ans Gewehr? Warum?! Fur Ein Reich; Ein Volk; Ein Fuhrer?!! Oder dein liebe fur NAZIS?!!! Here's an idea grapes: press yourself hard, let out a li'l wine but - Fk this Nazi shit you seem to be into.

und warum bist du ein dummkopf Nazi hund?

[-] 1 points by grapes (4793) 2 weeks ago

Do you realize that we have Nazis as our governmental leaders now? Nazis are just Nationalists merged with Fascists. Most countries, not just the U.S. have Nationalists who say, "XXX first!"(this is one main reason why I'm amused at all of the "America first, XXX second?" videoclips, a bit like Canadians boasting "about" having our invading colonial "American" soldiers buried in Canada - harmless on a good-friendship basis[I jabbed at my Big Brother, too!]) It's the fascist part that is truly horrible.

We've not gone down the path of using brutal fascist means yet but we are certainly strolling down there casually. At first, dissent will be quenched. Yes, the Retard-I-Can'ts have morphed into Fascists who promise to use the "nuclear option" on dissidents. "Nuclear options" often have blowbacks. Harry Reid used it but now it's in the hands of his opposition.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 days ago

Yes I "realize that we have Nazis as our governmental leaders now"!!! Don't ''Nazis are just ..'' anything me tho'!! Germanic Nationalism, morphed into Supremacism and then easily mutated into a Genocidal Hatred of those they considered untermensch!! As for .. "We've not gone down the path of using brutal fascist means yet", this'll be news to OWS in Zucotti Park & many other places in U$A in 2011 +BLM and NoDAPL protesters - inter alia!

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 1 points by grapes (4793) 2 weeks ago

Why would I want an armed populist revolt in America? Am I as smart as Saddam Hussein who hid weapons of mass destruction underneath his presidential palace and got himself hanged? Donald Trump has stockpiled nerve gas in his Trump Tower to fend off terrorist attacks. Isn't that obvious?

Swedes, Latvians, Estonians, and Lithuanians all qualify as 》Volk《. There are more than these, of course. Since I had seen you mentioning "de-cypher," I peeled back more to expose what I feared so that you and bw could understand better. The Baltic situation is extremely worrisome. In a miscalculation, Russia may very well cut off Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania from NATO land forces quickly and easily. The U.S. has few choices there aside from escalation or tacitly acknowledging that its nuclear umbrellas are good for nothing. After that, there'll be YEARS without sunshine worldwide or many more wars wherever the U.S. nuclear umbrellas have been stabilizing the situations. All aftermath's terrible. Which one do you prefer? I suspect that the U.S. will choose to use nuclear weapons because Donald Trump doesn't quite get what a few years of no sunshine really means. He'll say, "Switch on the growth lights and grow some foods for me. We have Hundreds of years of coal left to dig out from the ground." What can't go wrong?

Historically, the Nazi invasion of Russia strikes fear into the Russian psyche so that's where the message, "Knock off the bullying!" is likeliest to get through. We went through the deployment of intermediate-range nuclear-tipped missiles in the 1980's but we had been luckier then(with a so-called "loser" in charge of the USSR who had actually won the peace) to have survived by the plaque of our teeth. As good parents teach their kids, "Don't push your luck!"

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 days ago

Your Russophobia is a bit worrying tbh,grapes! The Russians have been invaded by many more people & armies than just Nazi Germany in the last 100 years!! Go research the foreign armies .. that invaded Russia and fought with The Whites OR the entire armies of non-Germans who fought beside the Nazis in WW2!!!

respice, adspice, prospice ...

[-] 1 points by grapes (4793) 4 weeks ago

Oil, light sweet(not sour) crude for Europe. North Sea crude reserve's dwindling. Russia's crude supply is not dependable(due to Crimea, Ukraine, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, etc.)

Like Saudi Arabia and Iran in the lost decade of the 1970's, Russia will use oil as an arm-twisting economic weapon, this time on Europe(excluding Russia which doesn't want to be just one of many) because it still harbors hope that it will reconstitute the Soviet Union someday and is working towards the goal.

Syria is just a chess piece for Russia to block Europe from quenching the oil thirst with Persian Gulf oil so that Europe will become dependent on Russia's oil and natural gas and cannot stand up against Russia's re-annexation of Europe - the Teutons may yet take a stance but they'll need oil.

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 5 years ago

For some further information :

a) "Cornered in Free Libya", by Karlos Zurutuza : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29623.htm ,

b) "The Lynching in Libya", by Iftekhar A Khan : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29632.htm &

c) "Scramble for Africa", by John Cherian : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29589.htm .

d) "The Lies Behind the West's War on Libya", by Jean-Paul Pougala : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27936.htm &

e) "Libya: It’s Not About Oil, It’s About Currency and Loans", by John Perkins : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27967.htm .

fiat justitia ...

[-] 3 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 4 years ago

Thanks for all the links!

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

You're welcome mate & this fits nicely here too :

Be safe, well & happy.

spero ...

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 5 years ago

On the matter of Libyan Fresh Water, the source of Libya's very real but seemingly improbable, Water Resources is NOT the surface run off & accumulation of rain water which is, as one would imagine in this now desert country, rather negligible.

The actual source of Libya's water resources are the subterranean fresh water aquifers which hold stupendous amounts of ancient water from when the region was far less dry & had a lush equatorial climate in pre-history, before 'modern-civilisation'.

The aquifers date from a time before The Sahara was the desert we now know & is termed 'fossil water'. Geologically it is known as 'The Nubian Sandstone Aquifer' & it is the largest such resource known in the world. It is this water that the Huge Civil-Engineering projects were dedicated to utilising.

Useful links :

minima maxima sunt ...

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 5 years ago

Re. William Blum's "Killing Hope", a comprehensive history of 'U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II', please see : http://sandiego.indymedia.org/media/2007/02/125025.pdf .

Re. US State Dept.'s "Background Note: Libya" : http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5425.htm .

Empire and 'Warfare' abroad & Austerity and 'Unfair' at home ... the hubris & hypocrisy is unconscionable !

fiat pax ...

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 5 years ago

Re. The recent events in Libya, please further see :

1) "What America Stands for in Libya", by Cynthia McKinney : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28441.htm ;

2) "The War in Libya is a Fraud: Using Human Rights Organizations to Launch Wars", by Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya ; http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29255.htm ;

3) "If the Libyan War Was About Saving Lives, It Was a Catastrophic Failure", by Seamus Milne; http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29540.htm#idc-cover ;

4) "Terror and Revenge Engulfs NATO’s Libya", by Franklin Lamb, http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29695.htm &

5) "Libya: Media Blackout, Why?", by Timothy Bancroft-Hinchey, http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29703.htm .

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by valfather (286) 5 years ago

Which candidate opposes the privately owned central banking system of the US?

"Having a State Owned Central Bank, Libya is not a member of that Elitist Club of Private Central Bankers, the Bank of International Settlements. One of the first acts of "The Rebels" was to establish A New Private Central Bank of Libya ( http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27881.htm ). This point can NOT be Emphasised Enough ; "