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Forum Post: 'Timeo Pax Americana' : Banksters ; OilyGarchs ; Obomber ; Libya & "some information from beyond the MSM veil".

Posted 5 years ago on Nov. 2, 2011, 11:21 p.m. EST by shadz66 (19985)
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Barack 'Obomber' is proving to be yet another Neo-Imperialist American President but this time with a clear NeoCON tinge. 'Ohbummer' is more likely to be a happy puppet of Banksters and Imperial Interests, than someone who will ever deliver any kind of "change we can believe in". Indeed, 'Oblah-blah's hypocritical words re. "Change we can believe in", now appear to have all the hallmarks of psychopathy & recalling those pre-election speeches is now enough to induce extreme nausea.

The new front on the 21st century resource wars is Africa and Libya was 'Chapter 1' as AFRICOM ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7026197.stm ) is now in full swing. Therefore, with reference to Libya and for some information from beyond the MSM veil, I post some points and observations :

1) Libya's offers to other African countries to trade, exchange and barter Libya's abundant gas and oil ( http://www.oilandgaslibya.com/ ) in exchange for agricultural produce, raw materials and especially Gaddaffi's thoughts, ideas and proposals for a Pan-Continental Africa GOLD backed currency { http://www.goldstockbull.com/articles/libya-invas.... }, which would thus have undermined existing notions of the "petro-dollar" and demand for the U$D as the Global Reserve Currency ... is Absolutely Critical to understanding NATO's War on Libya ;

2) An ever greedy corporate eye is being cast upon Libya's unlikely but very real Water resources ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Manmade_River ), which will be available for future export to Malta, Sicily, Egypt & Tunisia etc., { http://www.waterpolitics.com/2011/07/31/water-big.... } ;

3) Libya has almost no national debt & is NOT in hock to the Unholy & Usurious WTO/IMF/World Bank - Nexus. Libya's 2010 debt was less than $6.4 Billion & 9% of GDP at a per capita debt of only $970/person - (See line 99, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt ) ;

4) Having a State Owned Central Bank, Libya isn't a member of that Elitist Club of Private Central Bankers, the Bank of International Settlements. One of the first acts of "The Rebels" was to establish A New Private Central Bank of Libya ( http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27881.htm ). This point can NOT be Emphasised Enough ;

5) Libya ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya ) has a very small population relative to its size (~6.5M) & thus seems ripe for de facto take over in the always avaricious eyes of The Empire & the Global Oligarchs, who with the help, blood & lives of "The Rebels", will now seek to turn Libya into yet another Imperial Fiefdom.

Alas, the modus operandi of this latest WAR for Resources & Imperial Hegemony is now increasingly clear for us all to see. Libyans should be extremely wary about "throwing the baby out with the bath water" and of "jumping out of the frying pan & into the fire" ; as becoming indentured Wage-Slaves to the Oily-garchs and being in perpetual Debt-Bondage to The Infernal Banksters will NEVER constitute Liberty, Prosperity or Dignity for Libyans.

timeo 'Pax Americana' et dona ferentes ...

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[-] 6 points by beautifulworld (22757) 5 years ago

To your point 2 above, there is nothing more sinister for mankind than the privatization of the water supply. Have we gone mad? Water as a commodity? No. Water is a human right, not something to be traded on the futures market, not a merit good, but a public good, that should be available to all human beings that walk this earth, for free.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 months ago

"Libya about oil? Or water? Or both?" Well bw .. about both .. AND then some!!! Think Dollar Hegemony threatened by Libya's plans for Gold Backed Pan-African Currency!! Also let me know IF you manage to de-cypher the other reply you got here and which I took liberty to read .. given this is my old forum-post! Thanx for the interesting and highly relevant links and finally, fyi - consider:

e tenebris, lux?

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22757) 6 months ago

New Muslim Ban. Libya makes the list again.

6 countries: Libya, Syria, Iran, Yemen, Sudan and Somalia.

Yet,

"Donald Trump’s new ‘Muslim ban’ still does not include countries that have produced terrorists"

"Executive order excludes Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Egypt"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-muslim-travel-ban-countries-terrorists-immigration-order-a7614701.html

[-] 1 points by grapes (4961) 6 months ago

Sparrow-2 Libya-0 from the Reagan years calmed down Gadhafi's exports. The most important ally of the U.S. in the Middle East is Saudi Arabia due to snake oil/petrodollar. Israel is our closest ally there.

We use the Israelis to spy on U.S. domestic citizens(FBI is technically inferior to other intelligence organizations so "domestic" citizenship being guarded by the FBI is suspect at best) so anyone(read as powerful people excluding dead-enders such as squeaky 0 ba ma[無爹娘]) who has any dirt must fear Israel and that's why Israel behaves arrogantly. Donald Trump needs to grasp the concept of "non-suspect"(lightness of skin color helps) citizenship(something probably "knows" but it's not consciously known until it's analyzed. It's a bit like being stripped naked as a preschooler by a self-denuded pubescent babysitter and never thinking of that as "sexual molestation" but as a game of "Wall-Street broad strips and the bright stares" until consciousness picks up the definition)

Nowadays, data are recorded somewhere, somehow, all of the time - the U.S. response to 9/11 attacks was to collect even more data than could be analyzed so post mortem analysis could find the culprit(s) quickly. Living in out of the way places such as Staten Island of NY NY or other "islands" enhances one's "non-suspect" citizenship by lowering one's profile. One can also hide in plain sight - people never believe what they don't want to believe(e.g., sexual molestation).

Israel is over there in the Middle East as our unsinkable aircraft carrier to keep watch over Saudi Arabia(the keeper of the 00$ global license), Egypt, the United Arab Emirates, and other Arab countries. Of course, Israel will also watch the non-Arab Iran, for its own survival interest. That fits well with the interests of the U.S. defense establishment and industries(since the 1979 Iranian Islamic Revolution).

When things are all stirred up in the Middle East, the U.S. defense industries get to sell arms to many countries there. There are perennial foreign aids in military equipments to both Israel and Egypt(great peace bought at the lives of the two "candles" martyrs). Saudi Arabia has also become a yuuge huuge customer of U.S. military equipments - thanks to Iran's drive(which will likely succeed over time, like DPRK's travails to nuclear-tipped ICBMs) towards its ancient Persian supremacy via nuclear and missile technologies and weapons.

Who benefits from all the chaos in the Middle East? Yeah, right! How smart you are! Is it the Japanese who sold the fleet of white Toyota trucks to ISIL? If things seem murky, look at the money flow instead. Eyes will be opened.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 months ago

Living on Staten Island .. does what?! Re. Israel & USA ... errrrr, who's in charge in that relationship exactly?!! Can you quote Ariel Sharon here & btw - just because Toyota makes the trucks in Japan doesn't mean that they directly sold them to ISIS as facts on the ground mean that either Turkey or Saudi Arabia did that!!! + You may also want to consider...

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by grapes (4961) 6 months ago

State, Stating, Stated, Staten Island! It's from an English grammar drill for the foot-in-mouth-disease laager defense. Staten Island has the biggest trash processing operation in New York, NY. There's a humongous landfill there as well as barges for sending the garbage elsewhere. Staten Island is excellent for hiding out of sight while still being a part of New York, NY although it's more "New Jersey" and suburban than "the City."

I suspect that we can find just about anything in the landfill("It's the field that matters. All else flow from the Mat." 7:7-8). I'm an authority on dumps as I've played day-in and day-out as a preschooler archeologist/recycler in our neighborhood trash dump after my neighborhood-boy playmate had introduced me to the Mine, not just "Yours." Sometimes I felt as if I were Romulus building the Eternal City for my ants found abundantly there as I moved the dirt piles around forming structures for them using a bit of water(I had the power of the forty-day-and-forty-night Belgian-boy Deluge to stop their war). Oh yes, ants were racialized asses, too, with the red ants attacking the black ants("national" conflict raping the "Sabine nymphets" but they were all Mine!)

It's just too bad that Herr Drumpf hasn't created the A.S.S. yet, where the racialized asses can work on skin-color discrimination for the 》amerikanische Staatssicherheit.《 Jobs, jobs, jobs! I'd even appreciate tens of millions of jobs for monitoring the below-toilet-bowl-rim security cameras to enforce the toilet laws sorting out "birth-certificate genitalia, chromosomal sex, gender, sexual orientation, dress-code and grooming orientation" and every combination thereof.

Another laager defense is to hide in plain sight, here. 》Wie findest Du meine Heimat? Ich liebe die Pferde und den zentralen Park. Siehst Du nicht? Es gibt auch viele Tannenbäume. Was liegt hinterher? Alles und nichts!《

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 months ago

''Staten Island'', I think you will find, owes its name to The Dutch but I am totally unsure of what links the Great Kills landfill with ''Mat. 7:78'' but you're an expert at befuddling me, so my bad if I can't understand what you are saying or what the reference to: ''raping the Sabine nymphets'' is all about!!! I am also none the wiser about why U like 'horses in Central Park''?!! Your ''Urheimat'' is Africa by the way,like for us all!

Also, ist alles gut .. jetzt und immer?

[-] 1 points by grapes (4961) 5 months ago

I figured it out! My Urheimat is the Silk Road. Birds, fly the friendly twreats of America. I stuck my finger up for you. "It's why we have Trump. (Treating the 金小胖 Asian to a shower with the Raj as the video closed-caption has suggested for gold(金) earring lovers is an illuminating idea!)" Squirm across the bed and "re-accommodate." This is Big. This is Yuuge. This is William VI of Orange. It's golden shower time for Pax Americana. 》Nutzen über alles.《

From now on, I'll only fly Trump Shuttle after a licking! Fly, Robin, Fly. That's the way I like it.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 months ago

We are all from somewhere and that somewhere is almost always .. somewhere else! Your interesting link rightly I feel, identifies The Silk Road as the core of the Indo-European Caucusoid ''Urheimat'' and I thoroughly recommend these books 2U: ''Genghis Khan and the making of the Modern World'',by Jack Weatherford ; ''Religions of The Silk Road'', by Richard C. Foltz, re.''overland trade & cultural exchange from antiquity to the fifteenth century'' & finally ''The Silk Roads; a New History of The World'',by Peter Frankopan. Thanx for all the other replies below and sorry I didn't have time to do them justice in reply. Finally and as per the OP & what's going on in Syria/Iraq, where Aleppo, Damascus, Irbil & Mosul are some of the oldest continuously inhabited cities on Earth, please consider:

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 1 points by grapes (4961) 5 months ago

Russia vetoed the U.N. Security Council resolution condemning the chemical attack on civilians in Syria violating international law(s) and convention(s). Russia also brokered the removal of All chemical weapons from Syria with the agreement of the Assad regime.

Either Assad or Putin or both broke their promise(s) with the recent chemical attack on the innocent civilians. The U.S. righteously struck the Syrian airbase from which the attack had been launched. Ultimately, it matters little whether Putin was complicit or not because as I have said before that Russia has NEVER been a reliable ally(not in WWI, not in WWII, not in WWIII, not in WWIV). The best thing that can happen to Russia will be its annexation by a righteous and worthy neighbor for the good of all humanity. Siberia is lightly guarded and there are nuclear-armed neighbors there. Before the annexation, the righteous and worthy one should severe the Trans-Siberian railroad at the onset of war. The furniture makers will probably be interested in privateering.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 months ago

In your typically biased way,you totally fail to consider the very real possibility that the recent ''chemical attack in Syria'' - is actually utter fraud, perpetrated by the increasingly desperate Jehadi, Takfiri, RWNJ Islamist opposition .. who are deeply allied to and in the debt of: USA; UK; France; Saudi Arabia; Qatar; UAE; Turkey et al!!! As is all too usual .. you seem to glean your opinion of these events from US MSM, who are owned and in league with, the very same Corporations who make the arms & profit from WAR!! So I will double dare you grapes, to disconnect from the b-s MSM & connect with some real information from an actual expert! As such .. please try to clearly and coolly consider this really very important link:

Frankly grapes ... you are not even entitled to an opinion on these matters until and unless you engage with the 1st link's report and pictures. I really have to wonder, whereTF it is that you get your news and information from? IF it's solely US MSM, then you're fkt tbh! As such, in future, maybe try the following:

Finally, I'll address myself to your rampant Russophobia! WTF are you talking about re.''annexation by a righteous and worthy neighbor for the good of all humanity"?!! Get this - Russia was an ally against Nazi Germany (much to your chagrin .. vielliecht, mein herr?) & whether your heavily propagandised brain can accept it or not .. Russia/USSR, after the battles of Stalingrad & Kursk - won WW2 on her own, despite the 25M-30M dead and the belated US/UK D-Day invasion, simply shortening the inevitable, as Russian Armies would have only have stopped at The English Channel - had they been left to their own devices!!! Btw http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/40220-what-does-an-america-first-foreign-policy-actually-mean ?!

respice et ad iudicium...

[-] 1 points by grapes (4961) 5 months ago

This idea of Urheimat is extremely perplexing to me. I've got enough trouble for all my life already with answering the apparently simple question, "Where are you from?"

There are multiple empires and countries which can claim that I have their heritage and I agree with them but the point for asking the question in the first place was to gain specificity, wasn't it?

I had balked at answering the question at one time because it was such a long story and I couldn't decide which part to begin with so the other person timed out and took it as my just being rude. Another time after thinking a long hard while, I finally answered that I had come from my mother. The boy's girlfriend standing nearby covered up her mouth because she almost cracked up laughing as I saw her face twitched uncomfortably trying to suppress a giggle. Much more recently, I asked for my child's opinion so I've finally settled on being a New Yorker. I'm pretty sure that I'm of Eurasian descent, at least back through my grandparents' generation. Farther back I don't know for certain. Perhaps I'm indeed Afroeurasian.

The proto-language part of Urheimat is very perplexing, too. We spoke multiple dialects at my parents' home, something else outside of the home with friends, and yet two more "official languages." I didn't realize how "messed up" we were until my father came home while I was attending elementary school and complained to Mom that he didn't understand what his children were speaking so he wanted us all to speak to him in his own way. My own child couldn't understand either, the dialects we used at my parents' home, and declared them as "new languages." Our neighbors at one time questioned the sanity of the communications between Mom and us because they could only understand the speech in a single direction(somewhat like the FBI listening to NSA interceptions prior to the 9/11 attacks[the attitude was like "extrapolations into the future are unproven hypotheses - don't waste time; happenings now are too much for us to understand - don't waste time, we're too busy tracking everyone; what had happened was spilt milk under the bridge - don't waste time, we can't change the past, can we? We'll figure it all out post-mortem when we'll have all the time in the world, after death!"]). At first, they were confused about whom was being spoken to. Things got even more complicated after each of I and my brother had gotten married.

Confusing as it was, there is still a general rule, though: the fast learner ends up losing their own languages/dialects, analogously as bridge building from both ends using the other side's building blocks. The fast one finishes first so the slow one's language/dialect will be used for communication thereafter. This was where I'd derived my observation that "foreign accent is a sign of verbal intelligence!" The fast learner often speaks with accent the language/dialect of the "I just didn't get it(but I have an army and a navy)" one(sorry, I unwound and kept the light on for Dad, of Odyssey!). Le ciel est gris. η αγάπη είναι μπλε.

I'm absolutely sure that my Urheimat is Earth(well, I'm a little bit shaken on this, by panspermia theory), probably Afroeurasian, definitely Eurasian, and I came from my mother. I identify as a New Yorker, per my child's opinion. Phew! This seems as complicated as a toilet-usage-regulating law, doesn't it?

[-] 1 points by grapes (4961) 5 months ago

"Raping the Sabine nymphets" is about where Rodney King was video recorded as being beaten up by the police, the subsequent acquittal of the police sparking the billion-dollar-damage riot inferno, the gun-toting Korean grocery shop-owners fighting off the looting and arsoning dark-skinned mob, the surrounding hills of Tinsel-town with mansions in the woods where aspiring nymphets and young boy actors were lured to by promises of fame, wealth, and glamor, and raped by the Big Names and accomplices.

I had a magical communion with a horse. It's as if I understood its distress at being photoflashed and I could provide comfort and understanding through my touching hands. It seemed that we went back a long long way, a long long time ago, in a far far away windy steppe(天蒼蒼,野茫茫, 風吹草低見牛羊。 ) where wheeled wagons were everyday laager transports. I also had a somewhat similar experience with a butterfly(Butterfree?) which was buffeted by the wind to distress, as I believed, so I stuck my index finger up to provide a landing site for it and it just landed there as if it understood my feelings towards it at the time and obliged. It was magical.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4961) 5 months ago

Mat. 7:7 says, "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you." Mat. 7:8 says, "For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened."

Where does an experienced archeologist/recycler go to really understand the material civilization of New York, NY? The Great Kills landfill. Our various intelligence agencies also keep "landfills" of data. Our William III of Orange(not of Belarus[Russia is not white enough] so he had suspect domestic citizenship for protection), having already requested a dig through the Great Kills' "landfill" on Tweeten Island, was unlikely to have been directly targeted but I'm pretty sure that we can find out from the "landfills" whether he had used protections for all that time.

Downstream from Tribeca, Lady Liberty may well say, 》der After《, "I was pissed!"

How much rocket fuel does it take for a DPRK ICBM to cross the Pacific Ocean to hit the U.S.A. once it has cleared the atmosphere? Zero! Ask a garbage collector how they can lift the very heavy loads of garbage onto the garbage truck. They throw them to follow "ballistic" trajectory, just like ICBMs.

P.S. Flies, beware of tics, avoid frucking with LaTourette's libertine fraternity Venuses! Douse head with cold water on Friday evenings to avoid going downtown on Second Avenue to Gramercy Park/East Village bars. Vive l'égalité des sexes!

[-] 1 points by grapes (4961) 5 months ago

Grab a Tristate shoreline, park, and island map of the phallic New York, NY area. How do you denounce our William III of Orange's sexist remark about seizing the sexy kittens? Grab the schlong! He has a "56 stories" erection on "Man heeft ding" island. East Bronx is just about where the Browns people with "balls" live. Guess where Goldman-Sachs' headquarter is. It's on the topside of the glans penis, at 200 West Street in Tribeca. The glans is the most sensitive area of the penis where I once even got a fully automatic assault weapon shoved close to me. Oh my, the black weapon was the new orange for all...

Locate Liberty Island on the map. It's the target of the ejaculation from Battery(with BDSM on an H1-B in Jurassic-age?) Park of the Wall-Street-area glans penis(i.e., the cybernetic dickhead that needed $4-trillions+ Hebrew-Franc infusion after yet another "flash" crash).

State, Stating, Stated, Staten Island may be explained with tweet, tweeting, tweeted, tweeten? Tweeten, eh? That had to be the past participle by a hoser who suffers from Tourette's Syndrome due to the presence of the little birds and the bees in LaTourette Park on Staten Island. The hoser probably found the presence of the Venus flytraps there sexually arousing and succumbed to the aromatic sweets(after climbing over a wall[a daring and likely illegal feat for a preschooler with a sweet tooth], I sucked nectar from flower buds; I have kind words for fastfood restaurants with free condiments - Reagan was correct that catsup would help relieve childhood hunger on weekends when the schools were closed). When the dirt at Great Kills landfill is dug up and understood, shall we have one or more great "kill"s(the U.S. had one in 1975 with Nixon and somewhat before that, with his older V.P. Agnew) or shall we have already shipped out the trash by barges to the genitalia-legally-obsessed tarry area?

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 months ago

oh dear; Oh Dear; OH DEAR!!! Also consider

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 months ago

''THE PENTAGON has deployed several hundred marines to Northern Syria, the Washington Post and CNN reported this week. Their mission .. firing long-range artillery to help recapture Raqqa, ISIS’s self-proclaimed capital city.'' from

Thanx for your link. Sorry to say it - but the word ''REACTIONARY'' could have been made just for Trump and his specific type of ignorant - yet arrogant American Blowhard! Of the New 6 Country ban..ALL have been interfered with by U$A since WW2 & all but Iran are now dysfunctional or destroyed yet ''Executive order excludes Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Egypt" .. the primary agents of US Power in the area!! This shit just can NOT go on forever BUT those at the tippy-top of these (& other!) Oligarchies, always think it will!!! From domestic US p-o-v - consider Thom Hartmann & guest in this video:

spero meliora ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 months ago

To arms?! In America?!! It happened already and no armed populist revolt will happen there, as RWNJ Merca is too RW to repeat the feats of The Founders & so any Popular Revolt will have to be peaceful, as violence .. only panders to the strengths of - The Hyper-Violent Deep State!!!

Also - Volk ans Gewehr? Warum?! Fur Ein Reich; Ein Volk; Ein Fuhrer?!! Oder dein liebe fur NAZIS?!!! Here's an idea grapes: press yourself hard, let out a li'l wine but - Fk this Nazi shit you seem to be into.

und warum bist du ein dummkopf Nazi hund?

[-] 1 points by grapes (4961) 6 months ago

Do you realize that we have Nazis as our governmental leaders now? Nazis are just Nationalists merged with Fascists. Most countries, not just the U.S. have Nationalists who say, "XXX first!"(this is one main reason why I'm amused at all of the "America first, XXX second?" videoclips, a bit like Canadians boasting "about" having our invading colonial "American" soldiers buried in Canada - harmless on a good-friendship basis[I jabbed at my Big Brother, too!]) It's the fascist part that is truly horrible.

We've not gone down the path of using brutal fascist means yet but we are certainly strolling down there casually. At first, dissent will be quenched. Yes, the Retard-I-Can'ts have morphed into Fascists who promise to use the "nuclear option" on dissidents. "Nuclear options" often have blowbacks. Harry Reid used it but now it's in the hands of his opposition.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 months ago

Yes I "realize that we have Nazis as our governmental leaders now"!!! Don't ''Nazis are just ..'' anything me tho'!! Germanic Nationalism, morphed into Supremacism and then easily mutated into a Genocidal Hatred of those they considered untermensch!! As for .. "We've not gone down the path of using brutal fascist means yet", this'll be news to OWS in Zucotti Park & many other places in U$A in 2011 +BLM and NoDAPL protesters - inter alia!

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 1 points by grapes (4961) 6 months ago

Why would I want an armed populist revolt in America? Am I as smart as Saddam Hussein who hid weapons of mass destruction underneath his presidential palace and got himself hanged? Donald Trump has stockpiled nerve gas in his Trump Tower to fend off terrorist attacks. Isn't that obvious?

Swedes, Latvians, Estonians, and Lithuanians all qualify as 》Volk《. There are more than these, of course. Since I had seen you mentioning "de-cypher," I peeled back more to expose what I feared so that you and bw could understand better. The Baltic situation is extremely worrisome. In a miscalculation, Russia may very well cut off Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania from NATO land forces quickly and easily. The U.S. has few choices there aside from escalation or tacitly acknowledging that its nuclear umbrellas are good for nothing. After that, there'll be YEARS without sunshine worldwide or many more wars wherever the U.S. nuclear umbrellas have been stabilizing the situations. All aftermath's terrible. Which one do you prefer? I suspect that the U.S. will choose to use nuclear weapons because Donald Trump doesn't quite get what a few years of no sunshine really means. He'll say, "Switch on the growth lights and grow some foods for me. We have Hundreds of years of coal left to dig out from the ground." What can't go wrong?

Historically, the Nazi invasion of Russia strikes fear into the Russian psyche so that's where the message, "Knock off the bullying!" is likeliest to get through. We went through the deployment of intermediate-range nuclear-tipped missiles in the 1980's but we had been luckier then(with a so-called "loser" in charge of the USSR who had actually won the peace) to have survived by the plaque of our teeth. As good parents teach their kids, "Don't push your luck!"

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 months ago

Your Russophobia is a bit worrying tbh,grapes! The Russians have been invaded by many more people & armies than just Nazi Germany in the last 100 years!! Go research the foreign armies .. that invaded Russia and fought with The Whites OR the entire armies of non-Germans who fought beside the Nazis in WW2!!!

respice, adspice, prospice ...

[-] 1 points by grapes (4961) 7 months ago

Oil, light sweet(not sour) crude for Europe. North Sea crude reserve's dwindling. Russia's crude supply is not dependable(due to Crimea, Ukraine, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, etc.)

Like Saudi Arabia and Iran in the lost decade of the 1970's, Russia will use oil as an arm-twisting economic weapon, this time on Europe(excluding Russia which doesn't want to be just one of many) because it still harbors hope that it will reconstitute the Soviet Union someday and is working towards the goal.

Syria is just a chess piece for Russia to block Europe from quenching the oil thirst with Persian Gulf oil so that Europe will become dependent on Russia's oil and natural gas and cannot stand up against Russia's re-annexation of Europe - the Teutons may yet take a stance but they'll need oil.

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 5 years ago

For some further information :

a) "Cornered in Free Libya", by Karlos Zurutuza : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29623.htm ,

b) "The Lynching in Libya", by Iftekhar A Khan : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29632.htm &

c) "Scramble for Africa", by John Cherian : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29589.htm .

d) "The Lies Behind the West's War on Libya", by Jean-Paul Pougala : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27936.htm &

e) "Libya: It’s Not About Oil, It’s About Currency and Loans", by John Perkins : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27967.htm .

fiat justitia ...

[-] 3 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 4 years ago

Thanks for all the links!

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

You're welcome mate & this fits nicely here too :

Be safe, well & happy.

spero ...

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 5 years ago

On the matter of Libyan Fresh Water, the source of Libya's very real but seemingly improbable, Water Resources is NOT the surface run off & accumulation of rain water which is, as one would imagine in this now desert country, rather negligible.

The actual source of Libya's water resources are the subterranean fresh water aquifers which hold stupendous amounts of ancient water from when the region was far less dry & had a lush equatorial climate in pre-history, before 'modern-civilisation'.

The aquifers date from a time before The Sahara was the desert we now know & is termed 'fossil water'. Geologically it is known as 'The Nubian Sandstone Aquifer' & it is the largest such resource known in the world. It is this water that the Huge Civil-Engineering projects were dedicated to utilising.

Useful links :

minima maxima sunt ...

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 5 years ago

Re. William Blum's "Killing Hope", a comprehensive history of 'U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II', please see : http://sandiego.indymedia.org/media/2007/02/125025.pdf .

Re. US State Dept.'s "Background Note: Libya" : http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5425.htm .

Empire and 'Warfare' abroad & Austerity and 'Unfair' at home ... the hubris & hypocrisy is unconscionable !

fiat pax ...

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 5 years ago

Re. The recent events in Libya, please further see :

1) "What America Stands for in Libya", by Cynthia McKinney : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28441.htm ;

2) "The War in Libya is a Fraud: Using Human Rights Organizations to Launch Wars", by Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya ; http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29255.htm ;

3) "If the Libyan War Was About Saving Lives, It Was a Catastrophic Failure", by Seamus Milne; http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29540.htm#idc-cover ;

4) "Terror and Revenge Engulfs NATO’s Libya", by Franklin Lamb, http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29695.htm &

5) "Libya: Media Blackout, Why?", by Timothy Bancroft-Hinchey, http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29703.htm .

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by valfather (286) 5 years ago

Which candidate opposes the privately owned central banking system of the US?

"Having a State Owned Central Bank, Libya is not a member of that Elitist Club of Private Central Bankers, the Bank of International Settlements. One of the first acts of "The Rebels" was to establish A New Private Central Bank of Libya ( http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27881.htm ). This point can NOT be Emphasised Enough ; "