Forum Post: Forum completely taken over by Trolls
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 10, 2011, 3:22 p.m. EST by emeflag
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from Flagstaff, AZ
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Virtually every post I have read in the last 1/2 hour is from the trolls who have completely taken over the forum. Congratulations to them for their organization and their ability to change the topic to meet their goals of discrediting the OWS.
If this forum is to have any relevance, focus on the problems that made you angry!:
Big corporations and "our" government is in an incestuous relationship that results in the inequitable influence of big corporations over the political process. Do you feel like your representatives give a damn what you think?
Demand changes from those corporations that are not good corporate citizens.
It is really that simple!
how do you define "troll" ... just because they don't agree... I'm not seeing any spamming or name calling....
There have been both, and it is getting worse. In a way it is a compliment that shows growing concern. Still, it represents a challenge to recognize the difference between stating an opinion to be part of the conversation, and manipulating the conversation for ones own goals.
CORP SHILLS ARE BEING PAID TO MAKE ANTI-OWS POSTS. It has been verified on 4ch0n, and a few other places that a few places are hiring stooges to post and sway opinions concerning OWS. If anyone posts on a BBS, pick a name, pick a trip, stick to it. This is the best way to weed out the shills, because their anonymity gives them security and the ability to sockpuppet circlejerk.
Take it to IRC if need be. The pure fact that we not only have the police breaking the law to silence us, and we have shills spreading FUD around shows one major thing:
They are scared. The 1% is scared that we will not roll over and let them abuse us. We have a voice, we are speaking, and they are trying to drown us out with paid-off stooges. But we the people are united. Stay strong, it's bound to get worse before it gets better.
~ Steven Magnet!!gAyq5lzi952
I wish i could get paid for that.
Don't fight negativity with negativity.
Just ignore the trolls. Its sort of like walking through a park...a bit of dog shit (trolls) is always in view.....
the wars make me angry
This forum has been invaded by trolls. The free-market corporatists have arrived.
Realistically though, could any of us have really expected they'd not try to do so?
No, it is a good thing. If they werent worried they wouldnt be here.
Agreed. Their talking points are so stale at this point, I cannot believe they'll reach any new supporters. The self interested and greed-is-good thinking is approaching its tipping point, where its philosophy will be proven to be fundamentally bad for society when applied in an orthodox fashion.
Mods have been working hard to weed out the blatant crap, so depending when you check out the forum, you may see a ton of bogus posts or none. Note this has nothing to do with dissent, the forum has undergone attack from people posting porn, gibberish, etc.
Well, I think its inevitable on the internet. Also, the current polarized political climate adds to the fire. Anyway, when someone throws a bomb, ignore it or politely diffuse it. Don't fall into name calling, strawman arguments, red herrings, or the like.
I don't really think the right wingers are a problem. Let them post all they want, they're not gonna change anything at zuccotti park
Fix the system so our elected officials cannot benefit from the laws they pass and the banks and corporations will naturally be fixed. They get rich from passing laws that aid their supporters and in return they get to stay in power.
No troll here, I just know enough about our system to pin point the exact problem. The greed comes from the politicians for power and money, the corporations just want money. Go for the source, not the symptom.
Term limits, no corporate or lobby donations, any cronyism or suspected cronyism is automatic removal from office, etc.....
Hey guys, I'm an Occupy Wall Street artist and I would like to invite you to my Occupy Wall Street art show called SPANK THE BULL: AN OCCUPY WALL STREET MANIFESTO, which is in the form of an Interactive Theatre.
You can view my art show by going to...
WWW.SPANKTHEBULL.ORG
By the way, do you know why the Tea Party won't join us, because they are the 1%.
Independent troll here. AAARRRGGG!
Please do some research into the methods of propaganda, and you will recognize when a poster is trying to change the direction of the conversation. As you call them out on their tactics they become less and less reasoned in their arguments. You will see they use poorly supported logic and bits of truth woven with assumptions, to form false conclusions. Those conclusions are used to support an idea, belief, or call to action that is contrary to the organic movement, or divisive in nature.
Many of these sites are being trolled by tea partiers who have drank the coolaid. Good luck to them - trying to obliterate true issues making it marxist and the like...
Yes agreed they say everybody is a communist and if you argue with them, cause they like free speech so much they do not even reply. Fuckers have all gathered here as well by the way scrolling through the comments.
OWS stay strong!
This is what is wrong with this movement. How can you demand freedoms and censor others at the same time?
How can you insist that people share you view and ask for opinion at the same time?
This movement has no credibility at all.
Posting videos of Marxists form Denmark speaking to the crowds in the park is not going to gain acceptance with the American public.
agreed, lots of troll threads.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/thetruth-socialismcapitalismcommunismmarxism/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/capitalism-versus-corporatism/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/help-me-understand/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/capitalism-a-love-story/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/sociology/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/energy-101-solution/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/ethics/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/break-your-left-right-conditioning/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/nader-kucinich-and-paul/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/5-facts-you-should-know-about-the-wealthiest-one-p/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/i-am-homeless-joe-jp-morgan-chase-accidentally-for/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/can-we-end-the-fed/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-end-the-federal-reserve-and-what-do-you-replac/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/teaching-the-occupation/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/this-forum-needs-structure/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-is-not-your-personal-billboard-for-your-politi/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/systems-theory-primer/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/organize-inform-take-action-effect-change/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/better-website-needed/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/stop-playing-the-devils-games/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/nonviolence-the-only-path/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-not-against-capitalism/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/this-is-not-about-political-stripe-it-is-about-bas/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/national-initiative-for-democracy/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/a-third-political-party-the-movement-of-the-middle/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/300-fema-camps/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-is-a-false-flag-operation/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-this-will-not-work/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/paradigm-shift-now/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/a-proposal-for-focus/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/stop-the-bullshit-posts-and-get-organized/
tl;dr
Apparently when someone points out the motives of a troll they are highly offended. Free speech is my right too.
Don't forget that when Anonymous hacked HBGary, they found evidence that the government was developing methods/programs/weapons to infiltrate social media sites (like this one) to spread propaganda and dissension. Who's to say if other agencies (like Bank of America who was also implemented in the HBGary hack) have access to these weapons?
Stay on target. Remind people that we are inclusive (including the fringe element) but only the goals that everyone agrees with will succeed.
They may think they have taken over, but the rest of us are still here, and we ain't going anywhere.http://sibob.org/wordpress/?p=8012
Kill the Occult backed "Federal Reserve" notes.
Have the trolls really taken over the forum??
My definition of a troll is one who expresses a dissenting opinion. Maybe if it appears the trolls have taken over, that is because their opinions are rational, or gasp!! Superior.
I would like to hear from others. I am getting discouraged about this forum because the supporters are angry, name-calling fearmongers who seldom use logic. Those who have expressed a dissenting view I've found to be straightforward, rational, reasonable and TEACHABLE.
What think ye?
its important to me to make sure this movement doesn't contradict itself look at the brains behind ows it may be hard to hear that it isn't you but none other than in my opinion george soros and stephen lerner, i am still entitled to an opinion right i pay the opinion tax, ows needs to steer clear of such men for george soros is a part of, wait for it, ready drumroll..... the 1%
Agreed!
Forget the trolls, we need to make real change. Check out the first post on thecompletespectrum.blogspot.com and let's actually make something happen instead of sitting on the sidelines at home on our computers.
-madphill
The trolls are changing the subject by calling you socialists and communists. These people only want to destroy the OWS momentum. Stick with the issues that made you angry. Mine are shown above. I'm not a communist for trying to change the political system and desirous of forcing change on irresponsible corporations.
man you need to relax and stop being so thin skinned, type faster lol. don't worry about them. have enough faith in the people you share views with that they are aware of the trolls and cons as well.
emeflag....they choose to type and be trolls because it takes too much energy to go and kick a dog
Some of the people whose first posts were very antagonistic have engaged in healthy debate and made some good points. I learn from talking to people of all viewpoints.
I hope that all Americans who are concerned about the direction this country has taken will be inspired by OWS to take action even IF they wind up not supporting OWS.
Having said that - those 2 demands are something people all over the spectrum can get behind.
I cannot agree with the second demand... I say let the free market clear the impurities, but most here claim that the government should intervene. This causes a contradiction of your first point... and ultimately, government intervention in the economy is absolutely wrong.
Corporations exist because they are chartered by the government. Therefore, the government has the option of setting requirements for their continued existence.
Perhaps we could argue that government intervention in other forms of business is wrong.
However, when an entity only exists with government "permission", I think the govt needs to have some voice in regulating them.
A corporation is legally founded following the rules in place by the government. The laws are set, at the beginning. After that, the government has no ability or should have the ability to regulate any further. If corporations violate the rules that were set from the beginning, they will be dealt with. As they already are, and as they should be.
Agreed!
Apparently this is not a Democracy and Free Speech is not allowed any more.
I too have freedom of speech to point out that there's a gaggle of Trolls trying to do everything they can to diminish the energy of the OWS.
umad bro?
Trolls will invent new user names and use different IP addresses. Perhaps the only solution is to stick to the topic of what made you angry, ignore and do not respond to those that want to change the subject to try to make you look like fools.
Ignore those who are offering the truth... those who are explaining how the real World works. You can't have something for nothing... you can't expect to be a CEO with your worthless degree. You can't expect to understand the World if you truly believe you should take from your greater motivated.. and intellectual brothers and sisters.
matt, we know how the real works and it is time to change it. there are far reaching consequences to what has been happening in the u.s. and to what the u.s. has been doing in the world. why has the u.s. spent so much in iraq and afghanistan? to bring democracy to these countries? to stop terrorism? hardly. people are making tons of money in these wars and other peoples children are fighting them. this is the truth. big money cannot be trusted. they use their influence to change laws and change policy for their own financial gain and more often than not at our expense.
Can't the trolls' comments be deleted? They are TOTALLY UNPRODUCTIVE and a waste of space.
just like you don't want media coverage by the press. idot.
No. Because we need freedom of speech. Who would judge what messages are deleted?
Ignore the trolls. Focus on gathering all voices even if they disagree with you. Find the things we all agree on and that's what we will push for.
If you consider that learning the principles of how the Real World works to be unproductive... well, you will never get far in life. That's your choice. Grovel in self pity due to you bad college degree choices, pity yourself for desiring another man's earnings.
No you are really far in life defending this utterly corrupt system that's bringing the environment down.
You can hug the tree... I will turn the tree into paper. You will fall to the wayside. I will profit. You will demand my earnings. I will laugh. Welcome to the Real World.
we'll see who laughs last when your system crashed and i find you in a bar half drunk hanging over the bar red eyed looking at me... we don't forget but you know nothing about the real world
I'm not too worried. You will never find me groveling in a bar, if circumstances change... I will always be intrinsically motivated to take the World by the horns, and become successful. I am not delirious, I trust my intellect and abilities. Stop expecting the World to give to you, it will never do so
Narcists and psychopath like you think you own the world. But you cannot even see all the things the world gives to me because you're blinded by greed and in fact a very poor man. You'll never be succesfull.
Welcome to the real World. Are you feeling hatred towards me? It's not hatred.. it is jealousy, your desire to get it, to understand how a man could be motivated, to have dreams, to have desires. I am no psychopath, I know I have one life to live.. and there are many things I want. I decry the man who sits while the World moves along without him. I am successful. I will become more successful as time continues. Step up or fall to the wayside. Welcome to the Real World.
Kill the Occult backed "Federal Reserve" notes.
I am sad that the OWS is discrediting itself by accepting endorsements from big Obama election organizations.
I would love to see those organizations gone so people who belong to various political parties, or to none at all, will unite in their common economic interests.
Zelduh, Why not have everything that disagrees with you deleted all over the planet? We could make you dictator for a day.