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[-] 2 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 12 years ago

Certain concepts that OWS advances are truely revolutionary and timeless. Look in the mirror. We are the leadership we are looking for. We are the vessel we are looking for. We are the change we are looking for. There is no point in looking elsewhere. The leadership and the change we are looking for is within us and among us. Ultimately there is nothing new about this. More than 100 years ago the revolutionary labor leader and Socialist Party Presidential candidate said, "I am not Moses come to lead you out of the capitalist wilderness and into the socialist promised land and I wouldn't even if I could because that would mean someone else could lead you back out again. You must use your own heads and your own hands and learn to lead yourselves." What OWS is all about is the re-discovery and development of that truth.

[-] 2 points by Meethook (72) 12 years ago

I hate that I have spent so much time defending folks who are unable to shake their personal bullshit long enough to be part of something bigger and without making the rest of us look like clueless hippies. The way this forum has been run is a total disservice to everyone who has spent time supporting the movement. I liked Jart, I squashed my own beef with how she censored names and political opinion. Then I get banned for lashing out at someone who has been a total dick to everyone for months, and a smart ass private message to inform me of my ban. Total crap.

[-] 1 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 12 years ago

I can't say what's going on in that regard. I think I've written some pretty controverial things, at least according to some people and as far as I can tell the site looks absolutely unmoderated to me. I do try not to personally insult people, no matter how much I disagree with them or how much I think they might be insulting me (I think the perception of being insulted is always a perception and probably based mostly on our insecurities and self image). I try to stick to the issues. I do think that sometimes people's ideology can tend to mask their own prejudices from themselves, and, for example, people don't even realize when they are being racist or unloving. Commerce and the commodification of nearly everything screws up all our relationships, including our personal lives, and rather than bring the kind of loving relationships we have with our friends and family to work with us, we tend to do the opposite and bring the cold and calculating (and paranoid) relationships of the work place in to our personal lives and our lives off the job.

[-] 2 points by Quark (236) 12 years ago

Yeah, it feels that way, but wait for Spring & Summer. The movement needs the timing of being in the right season. Be patient. Solidarity.

[-] 2 points by Meethook (72) 12 years ago

I am. But every time I turn around, it's another failure of leadership in the ranks. Failure to address violence, censoring of political positions and decent, forcing white males to the back of the line at GA meetings. ect... If the movement has a chance, it will only because grown-ups take the helm, sign it with their name and face, and show responsible leadership.

[-] 2 points by Quark (236) 12 years ago

I see what you mean. Maybe it is time for us to have a leader.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 12 years ago

Another useless contribute nothing post attempting to distract, attempting to put down, attempting to deny reality, attempting to be divisive, attempting to deny unity.

Sorry we don't play that game.

We have real work to do.

So continue to dig your hole, but it seems to be lonely and useless endeavor.

[-] 0 points by Meethook (72) 12 years ago

Real work,LMFAO. read this http://occupywallst.org/forum/see-any-threads-at-a-glance-that-have-anything-to-/

Maybe if you did real "Work" and get to the actual issues at hand, that crap wouldn't even be considered. I didn't create the articles that show up in that search result, did I? Keep spanking the mental monkey and blaming other for the stories being written about Occupy. Or you could practice what you preach. It's not my call what people say about Occupy, it's yours. Read that thread before you go spouting off about your "Work", and thats not sarcasm.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 12 years ago

This is not an at a glance set-up. Take time to look. Don't hand out pronouncements because you are lazy.

A small sample of what you requested:

Take action. See samples of how below.

184,401 signatures so far for Bernie Sanders petition as of 11:07am central time 01/16/2012

http://sanders.enews.senate.gov/mail/util.cfm?mailaction=clickthru&gpiv=2100081904.557411.411&gen=1&mailing_linkid=34578

The petition to save abandoned houses has 16 signatures. We picked one up at around 11:07am 01/16/2012. Were just rolling right along.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/Savingpeople-savinghomes-payingdowntheNationaldeficit/

Here is a place where you can directly address change. Take part, it does not hurt and may very well heal/help. Forward the cause of reform and rebirth.

http://www.care2.com/go/z/e/Ag8nw/zL2Q/B18Bb

Sierra Club has some good things to take part in as well. Set-up and ready for you to take part in. http://sierraclub.org/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/obama-ignores-republicans-and-appoints-head-of-con/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/theft-rico-lawsuit-targets-mf-global-cme-group-mor/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/can-we-please-coach-the-masses-on-the-basics/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/we-have-to-be-vewy-vewy-careful-when-it-comes-to-w/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-year-dissent-came-back/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/slab-city-a-desert-haven-for-recessions-victims/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/save-us-postal-service-and-restoration-of-postal-s/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/mit-climate-scientists-wife-threatened-in-a-frenzy/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/stand-by-your-guns-dont-walk-away-dont-let-them-ch/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-warning-frontline-show-former-cftc-chair-brook/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/money-for-israel-but-not-for-uscongress-about-to-s/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/debtor-prisons-in-the-usa-have-you-heard-about-the/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/do-you-need-a-break-take-10-minutes-and-remind-you/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-declaration-for-those-who-are-still-wondering/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/re-balancing-the-system-realestate-reform-governme/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/florida-charter-school-problems/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/its-time-for-a-million-people-march-to-capitol-hil/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-day-the-gramm-leach-bliley-act-of-1999-came-up/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/howtodoits-proposal-on-how-to-accomplish-the-march/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/action-alert-wall-street-greed-demand-justice/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/high-frequencytraders-momentum-driven-hedge-funds-/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/pearsons-us-online-public-schools-fall-to-bottom-o/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/fair-housing-advocates-bristle-at-banks-proposals-/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/editorial-children-deserve-better-than-real-estate/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/sentinel-central-florida-child-homelessness-has-in/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/fracking-cracks-the-public-consciousness-in-2011/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/indiana-charter-school-problems/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/imagine-schools-real-estate-deals-fuel-company-gro/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/feeding-the-world-twelve-years-later-us-grain-expo/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/onward-ows/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/occupy-the-sec-congress-is-illegally-insider-tradi/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-fdas-christmas-present-for-factory-farms/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/nys-fracking-decision-looms-its-getting-intense/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/-action-alert-tell-barackobama-and-interior-dont-d/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/fears-rise-on-quakes-fracking/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/saving-american-democracy-january-3-2012/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/green-or-not-what-is-the-cost/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/matt-taibbi-the-notion-that-what-wall-street-firms/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/when-there-is-no-accountability/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/inside-job-documentary/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/my-piece-on-student-loans-published-in-forbes/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/level-playing-field/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-doesnt-the-occupy-movement-surround-the-tv-sta/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/black-foamy-water-worries-fracking-neighbors/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/cleveland-say-it-aint-so-tearing-down-vacant-house/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/fracking-firm-admits-to-causing-earthquakes/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/9-things-to-say-goodbye-to-including-privacy-and-f/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/fighting-for-our-bill-of-rights-to-be-restored-sho/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/new-industry-new-jobs-check-it-out/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/for-our-childrens-future/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/aig-members-got-to-walk-like-they-had-done-a-good-/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/mf-stole-hundred-of-millions-of-dollars-from-us-fa/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/yes-there-are-a-lot-of-fools-but-i-am-starting-to-/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/federal-agency-cancels-water-delivery-to-pa-town/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/watching-the-demise-of-the-columbia-glacier/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/action-alert-stop-the-end-run-on-the-keystone-xl-p/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/federal-agency-cancels-water-delivery-to-pa-town/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/irs-could-resellrent-foreclosed-properties/

[-] 1 points by Meethook (72) 12 years ago

Yes, please keep doing just that. That is exactly what I did before getting banned. Repeatedly posting that link I showed you. See it doesn't matter if it's in support of the movement, reading that PDF will tell you that. So please, post away and tell me I'm wrong after you get banned for it.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 12 years ago

Again :

You are deliberately being contrary for no purpose other than distraction.

Troll digger, go dig your holes, it is a singularly solitary, pointless and UN-fulfilling venture, a total waste of time you should enjoy sharing it with yourself.

Have a nice day.

[-] 0 points by lithosere (65) 12 years ago

ows is one manifestation of a current that continues to move, only in times and places raising its head into the spotlight.

[-] 0 points by Meethook (72) 12 years ago

in case you haven't noticed, the spot light is all over this thing and it's put up or shut up time. Everyone needs to tighten up.

[-] 0 points by slizzo (-96) 12 years ago

That army of offensive morons, the 9/11 truth movement, really beat down ows's credibility.

People who believed in the big picture issues occupy brought up should have fiercely rejected the truthtards, making it known that their disgusting stupidity was not welcome from the start.

Now it is too late. Trustees and the occupy movement are forever linked now sad.

Truthers ruin all they come in contact with.

[-] 1 points by Meethook (72) 12 years ago

Thasy, dude we agree on some issue true. I don't personally dislike you, true. But you have been a dick since you got here. People get banned or leave because of you, so we aren't good buddies just because I got banned for giving you heat.

[-] 1 points by slizzo (-96) 12 years ago

Thasy?

[-] -2 points by neonknight (-21) 12 years ago

I think you're right,there is no hope for this movement to be THE movement many people have been waiting for.

It's really just time to hang it up and look to bring positive change within the lives of the people you know. OWS isn't the vessel for change.