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Forum Post: "Slab City" a desert haven for recession's victims

Posted 2 years ago on Dec. 15, 2011, 2:24 p.m. EST by GirlFriday (17435)
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Since the housing bubble burst, nearly 4 million American homes have been lost to foreclosure. Now 1.6 million children will be homeless at some time during the year -- 38 percent more than at the start of the recession. As CBS News correspondent Ben Tracy explains, unemployment has driven some families to the southern California desert.

Near the shores of California's Salton Sea, where the road gives way to barren desert, is a place where many have gone to park their troubled lives.

Bill Ammon has lived in what's known as "Slab City" for 13 years.

"This piece of property is public-owned," he said, "and it's so useless, so desolate, that nobody wants it and they let us be here."

Slab City takes its name from the concrete slabs it sits on -- all that's left from a World War II training camp. Now it is home base for more and more people who can't afford to live anywhere else.

There are nearly 2,000 people living in Slab City, many refugees of the Great Recession.

Video: Homeless children forced to live in cars Video: Florida fights for homeless families

"It's just whole [other] world out here," said Vince Neill. "It's not like modern-day society."

Neill parked his RV here two months ago along with his wife and six kids. He recently lost his audio-visual business and their home in Modesto, Calif.

"I would apply to 30-40 jobs a day online," said Neill. "And there's just nothing."

He could no longer afford to stay at an RV park and heard about Slab City. The family lives on food stamps and money from odd jobs.

"Did you ever imagine ending up here?" asked Tracy.

"No, no," said Neill. "I always wore a shirt and tie, and worked in an office. And had a nice car and house. But we've lost pretty much everything."

A field of debris is what passes for a neighborhood in Slab City. There is also a church, a music venue called the Range, and even an internet cafe. But electricity comes from the sun, there is no sewer, no running water. A hole in the ground is the only shower for miles.

"When we moved here, it was like the end of the world for me," said Andy Moore, 12, who has a sister, Franky, 14. Their mom told CBS News they came here because she cannot afford to heat their house in Washington State this winter. Andy worried what her friends at school would think.

"I feel a little bit embarrassed about it," said Andy, "because they're probably going to start thinking different of you like, 'Oh, they're really poor and they have to live out here and they can't afford to get a house or a trailer park.'"

Parents like Vince Neill are simply worried about keeping their families safe. "Twelve-gauge is usually what everybody uses out here," he said, because theft and drugs are part of Slab City life.

"I'm the nicest man you'll ever meet, unless you're messing with my family."

Neill is hoping his family won't be in Slab City for long and plans to look for work in Los Angeles this spring.

READ the rest and watch the video here: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57343234/slab-city-a-desert-haven-for-recessions-victims/


Be aware for those of you who see nothing and do nothing but repeat the debt meme, you can either stand with the American people or you leave. This is Libertopia. Take a really damn good look.

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[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

we need to arrest all those within the savings and investment institutions who have engaged in fraud.

then we need to toss out their lackeys in Congress.

and we need to slap those fools who stand in the way.

[-] -1 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 11 months ago

When we get to work and take back our government we will.

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[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 11 months ago

That's exactly what it looks like doesn't it?

Awe, did I get too close? Downvotes are so telling.

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[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 11 months ago

They will pretend not to.

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[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

I agree. Further, we need to force our government to purchase those buildings and those houses that we can move these people to.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

That is an interesting idea.

Do you think I should incorporate that into my presidential campaign?

[+] -5 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Oh, absolutely!!!

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

LoL!

[-] 1 points by fairforall (279) 2 years ago

I would like something in a 3br/2ba please. Large yard as I would like to have a dog.

oh, and a view.....I love me a view.

[-] 1 points by fairforall (279) 2 years ago

on second thought, this foreclosure would be fine. dog, you have my vote if you can make this happen.

http://www.vivareal.us/casa-unifamiliar-26241091/?utm_source=homes.mitula.us&utm_medium=ppc&utm_campaign=michel-whang

I love the "new" zendog world order.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

three bedrooms for everyone!

and you will find bumper stickers 'ZenDog for Prez'

in the foyer . . .

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

Apostrophes and commas are dashes separated by class. The ones who sit up high, consolidating and possessing, are cheap compared to the ones down below doing all the work. What do you think?

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago
  • Apostrophes and commas are dashes separated by class

I think that is interesting. If you expand on this theme, and give it some line breaks, you might have some real poetry there. I think I want to see the apostrophes and the commas engaged in human like behavior - and then the analogy will take concrete form in image.

And let us examine in minute detail the cheapness of those sitting so high.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

But without both the sentence does not make sense, And it only ends, period.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

are you mixing your metaphors?

I am certain the whole world will be much better off without the repelican party than any sentence without punctuation.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

If they don't agree and are not comprehensible then the sentence ends, period. I'll take it back to the shop and monkey around with it some more.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

LoL!

[-] 1 points by fairforall (279) 2 years ago

bumper sticker....hmmm, that brings up a good point. what can you do for me in a car?

If I get a dog, I would prefer a nice SUV. Thanks!

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

As soon as production ramps up on a reliable hybrid suv, I'll be sending one your way.

Now don't forget to vote.

[-] 1 points by fairforall (279) 2 years ago

leather and sirius?

by any chance, are you really Oprah?

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

LoL!

NO!

I'm ZenDog,

candidate for Prez!

[-] 1 points by fairforall (279) 2 years ago

zendog, I do like your style. I think offering people things for votes definitely has potential. I'm in.

ZenDog for Prez! :)

[-] -3 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 11 months ago

Helpless baby's need "Government" (parents) to do everything for them. Responsible adults work for things they need and want.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 months ago

And when it's a particular party, not only putting you in a position of poverty, but taking away your food?

What then?

http://www.occupy.com/article/congress-america-eat-turkey-starve-poor

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 11 months ago

I just want to make sure that I heard you correctly. You said that you have zero problem stealing from the public coffer.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 months ago

certainly not in the literal definition

A Responsible adult responds to outside influence

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 months ago

so........in your book it's....

Hoooray!

Foreclosures!!!!

It was their own darn fault .

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 months ago

opportunity is hard to find in a closed system

[-] 1 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 11 months ago

Matt you sound like so many that have given up. What closed system? Look to your own community. I am saying we have lost that but you can do the work it takes to build one...it's worth the effort. You want to be a part of that bigger world that seems to have locked you out? Volunteer. Put yourself in the mist of people doing what you want to do, by caring about what they care about. You will put yourself in touch with the kind of people who can help you get there.

I lived in a small town and knew my neighbors... I was also mentally ill and couldn't find work. That didn't stop me from supporting my children. I used my truck to haul wood and trash and when people couldn't pay me I literately did work for food. I cleaned up a shed for one person who paid me in live chickens! I also worked for furniture and a vacuum. Barter is a great system for getting what you need.

For months when the rent came due I paid what I could and worked off the rest until the landlord went through his church to find work for me. If people see you trying they will do everything they can to help but people don't go out anymore. We can get together and support each other. Co-ops were a great solution. No one knows what they are anymore... but they require sweat equity and people working together. Stop hating and look around. There is positive stuff happening as well...but it's real people doing it, not Uncle Sam. Jump in somewhere and help. If your unemployed what else do you have worth doing?

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 months ago

I mean on a planet of limited resource (closed system)

one can only gain by taking property from others

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 months ago

According to the fellow above........that's all your fault.

Here's the quote, in case you missed it.

"Responsible adults work for things they need and want."

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[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 months ago

You're talkin' to the wrong guy on that account.

[-] -2 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 11 months ago

Still stand by that shooz...and that fellow is a girl, mother and Grandmother and I was raised to believe that and I stand by it. You don't have to "have a job" to work toward making this world a better place.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 months ago

I do. I stand by it.

I'm not going to get in a pissing contest about life experience here.

Trust me, I've had mine too.

Here's the statement that put you off on the wrong foot with me.

"Helpless baby's need "Government" (parents) to do everything for them."

Besides the fact that it's been one of the favorite troll accusations around here for over 2 years now.

It's bullshit, and smacks of the Limbaugh show.

Indeed, it's a meaner version than many. Even CATO doesn't put quite that nasty.

Just who are you calling a baby?

That disabled vet?

That woman that works for 65% of a mans wage, yet has to pay childcare just to go to work?

The poor schmuck, that's always getting laid off?

The guy who's pension was sold out from under him?

Just who are you calling a baby?

[-] 1 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 11 months ago

Sorry about that ... I was wrong. I was angry about being called every name in the book by GirlFriday. I was hurt and I acted out. I came here trying to learn how you all seem to get people involved. How occupy seemed to get so many people organized and motivated. Somehow when I started reading my own answers came out instead of the questions of what I need to know. The posts I posted today I wrote last night and just finally posted but I have just been just reading all day and I realize now that you have all been here for years, not just the last few minutes and you don't just have your own idea's but you are actually doing something about them. I am not a troll, I am a worker bee and I truly am sorry.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 months ago

That's all well and good, but did you get my point?

Some of us here have grown reactionary to the machinegun like attacks from the libe(R)tarian quarter, and your quoted statement comes straight from their favorite playbook.

You should at least be aware that it does, if you plan to start a political party.

[-] 0 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 11 months ago

These people didn't put themselves in office...someone voted for them! I worked hard for the democratic party for over 8 years ...I made phone calls and knocked on doors. I did not take part in the 2011 election, My family member was dying and I was hands on caring for them. Before that I knew who the office holders were and I wrote them and the newspapers, I went to county council meetings and town hall meetings. I gave testimony at hearings held to change laws and took off work when necessary to do so. I am still putting hours in everyday to try and change things in REAL WAYS. Getting people out of office and Passing new laws takes years. Do you really think those people can wait! There are real answers to helping the homeless and even the homeless can take part in doing the work it takes to get it done. I don't think they are all responsible for the loss of their homes, but they can advocate for change and they are the best people to do it because THEY know how they got where they are and why. This was what my son started back in 2002 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/HomelessNews/conversations/topics/3604

It's 2013 and finally they have it approved and becoming a reality. http://www.opportunityvillageeugene.org/

I am proud to see it but we need better faster ways then protesting and making demands.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 11 months ago

You're still listed for Douglas County Precinct 43

None the less, I do so love it when people walk right in and push advocacy and mentorship when they show a very unrealistic view of what is actually happening.

Advocates already exist. You were just going to tell them what to do, right? Or are you going to spend the 8 hours a day for 8 Days to get the paperwork through to get a family off the street? .

Grow garden people crack me up. Anybody remember off the top of their head the stats for the number of employed homeless? How about those that are skilled?

http://fresnoalliance.com/wordpress/?p=1313

Ya, after seeing the above it sure looks like its a DIY project.

How about the food stamps. Is that one ok? Is the gubmint good for that one? How about housing with real heat and water?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 11 months ago

It isn't 20% as you claim. It is 44%. See here and here. Note that the count in NYC is only those in shelters. We aren't counting NYC working homeless NOT in shelters.

So, don't perpetuate nonsense and stereotypes that come from "only they know how they got there" because it does nothing but provide ammunition for the dickheads to do nothing. Also it allows the media to promote the "you did something wrong and deserve to be where you are at" shit. Incidentally, it's the same nothing that the Libertopian Free Trade clowns believe in that brought this on to begin with.

Further, the reason that the homeless are evicted is because they don't own the property. So, perpetuating the nonsense that all of these camps and growing gardens and building little tent cities does NOT change the fact that they can still be evicted---because they don't OWN the property. Placerville had a permit. They are now closed down. http://www.sacbee.com/2013/11/15/5913604/placerville-homeless-haven-closes.html

I don't buy your attempt to establish credentials. Not in the least. Ya, I expect that SNAP should be upped and that real housing with real water and real electricity is to be provided AS WELL AS subsidized housing for the 44% working homeless.

While I am at it there is a reason the establishment clause exists. That is traditional.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (22318) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Right-ON and in compliment - TWEET

DKAtoday ‏@DKAtoday Protected Tweets 4m

Living in poverty = Min Wage

http://us5.campaign-archive1.com/?u=8b226885dfe9c931726fc4c5e&id=c1bd828746&e=655132db2f

What you should know.

Forward a minimum LIVING Wage for ALL.

$15.00 plus per hr.

[-] 1 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 11 months ago

Why am I THE ONLY source you question? You question my "credentials" but I am a real person with a real traceable history. You go by GirlFriday, and use language from the gutter. Who are you? I am beginning to think you have your own reasons to exploit the homeless population.

Shelter Programs to house the homeless are making $3,000 per month per individual "helped". Those have become commercial industries in themselves. They don't want to put an end to the cash cow that keeps money funneling into their pockets.

A clear and present homeless population is the only way to keep that money coming in.

The real facts are that the homeless population has continually dropped since 2007. According to HUD on a single night in January 2012, local communities or ‘Continuums of Care’ reported: 633,782 people were homeless.

38 percent of those are family households, "who lack a fixed, regular, and adequate nighttime residence. In spite of the picture you paint these numbers also reflect individuals and families not living on the streets or in tent city's: as it also includes those being threatened with eviction within 2 weeks and includes those living long term in hotels, who lack the resources or support networks needed to obtain other permanent housing, and those living with family.

"Any oral statement from an individual or family seeking homeless assistance that is found to be credible shall be considered credible evidence."

Five states accounted for nearly half of the nation’s population in 2012: California (20.7 percent), New York 11.0 percent), Florida (8.7 percent), Texas (5.4 percent), and Georgia (3.2 percent).

The National Coalition Against Homelessness, is an advocacy group, (who by the way pay's most of the money donated toward the salaries of 3 people, and NOT ONE DIME to the homeless including the 21 of them that serve on the board and those who give those "voice of the homeless" talks) as you showed do have a document that says, "44% of homeless people have jobs and can't escape homelessness." I spent hours going through all the links provided in that document and most of them no longer exist. NOWHERE do they list the source for that information.

However, I did fact check this with politifact.com and found that when asked about that 44% figure, the group didn't respond. (Big Surprise there!)

"After some digging, however, we feel comfortable in saying that the statistic comes from a report by the Urban Institute, a Washington think tank. With statistics from 1996."

The report -- "Homelessness: Programs and the People They Serve: Findings of the National Survey of Homeless Assistance Providers and Clients" -- found that "almost half (44 percent) of homeless clients "did some paid work during the last 30 days before being interviewed."

That is far from the claim that 44% ARE EMPLOYED and still homeless!

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[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 months ago

http://vtdigger.org/2013/11/26/federal-report-shows-increase-homelessness/

From your paper.

There's no "rich" shelters here in the Detroit area either. The most popular is at a Capuchin Monastery.

Then there's all of Florida's homeless students.

http://stateimpact.npr.org/florida/2012/02/14/poverty-homelessness-rising-sharply-among-florida-students/

I always prefer when people backup controversial "facts".

[-] 2 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 11 months ago

So do I, and Thank you... to quote your own report, "The 2013 count found 1,454 homeless people in Vermont, 184 of whom had no shelter. Nearly a third of the total group — 418 — were severely mentally ill, while 128 were veterans and 217 were classified as “chronically homeless."

Bingo! "184 people had no Shelter" But we always quote the 1,454 number when referring to "THE HOMELESS" because 184 on the streets doesn't really move people to open their wallets.

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[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 months ago

What it doesn't say, is if those are the same people every night.

At any rate, it does NOTHING to reconcile your statement about

Homeless = babies and government = mommy comment you made in another thread and have to address.

So there is no bingo, until you do.

There is just a disconnect.

[-] 0 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 11 months ago

The 184 number is a representation of any one night in their city 184 people are actually on the streets. 217 people keep bouncing back into the system meaning they are chronically homeless.

The "Bingo" is that proves my point that those numbers don't reflect just the people actually living ON THE STREET.

I apologized for that comment. You choose to ignore it. She repeatedly called me a whore. I was slamming her idea of forcing the Government to do everything.

I have put out several REAL solutions to the homeless that do not require Government funding. No one ever acknowledges that here nor do they put out real workable solutions.

You offer degrading handouts and I offer solutions that give hope and self respect back to the homeless person ... which they need more then housing.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 months ago

How does your "solution" buy them a house, get them a good paying job and help with their mental health care?

I really haven't seen a thing on that, though you keep insisting you've said something.

Something to do with it's their own damn fault, so look for a helping hand somewhere and screw the tax payers paying for anything. That's what I caught in what you've said so far.

It sure wasn't the lions share of your postings.

It seems you've done more complaining about GF, than anything else.

As far as I'm concerned?

You still haven't explained your original comment on the homeless being "babies".

I'm sorry, GF made me do it?

Really?

And you call the homeless "babies"?

You said it.

You own it.

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[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 months ago

I'm still waiting for a link to those figures.

A temporary place to stay, isn't the same as having a "home", to go home to.

That can be tenuous at best.

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[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 months ago

Or even on a cousins couch. 20 miles from the closest "job opportunity".

Tenuous at best.

[-] 0 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 11 months ago

Your right because every hour of my time working for any cause that I have believed in, has been for free.

Lots of programs pay the people running them $50, to $70 thousand a year and that is just a modest income.

That's not my bitch. It's that we're spending $3000 per month to care for one person because we are paying it to people managing the people when just providing them housing is much cheaper.

"The government" doesn't do anything without trickling every dime through as many fingers as possible.

Speculation has made housing un-affordable. Everyone but especially Vets, should be guaranteed affordable housing for life.

I think there are better ways to get it then to put the government in charge of doing it. That will always over burden our middle class as they are the only ones truly paying those taxes.

Mud makes beautiful housing for pennies but has lousy speculation or resale value.

Who cares. It's a roof, and warmth and we can build these homes with very little outside help. Any group of people can form a Co-op and jointly buy the land and for pennies on the dollar build their own homes on it.

When you wanted to move out, instead of selling your home you could sell your share in the Co-op. That is affordable housing for everyone, and not on the backs of anyone else.

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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22318) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

Though the one percent in this case probably does not connect to being wealthy - just willing to shill for them.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 months ago

I don't know what this response had to do with mine but.......

I STRONGLY disagree with your statement...

"Getting people out of office and Passing new laws takes years".

the first part, can be an issue, but after a close failure of a recent recall effort in Michigan, Snyder almost instantly passed a law that will make it close to impossible in the future.

Which FULLY disproves the second part of you statement.

In addition, it took him NO TIME AT ALL, to pass "right to work for less" and re-institute "emergency managers" (appointed tyrants), after the voters firmly voted it down.

And now????

On 2.4% voter approval they are about to institute "rape insurance".

http://www.eclectablog.com/2013/11/impending-plan-ahead-for-your-abortion-law-opposed-by-most-michiganders-initiated-by-4-2-of-them.html

Further disproving your belief.

I only engage in "flame wars" with trolls, puppets, people who call me names and people who refuse to honestly answer questions.

I can't recall calling you any names, but if I did I'm sorry.

[-] 1 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 11 months ago

Sorry shoots I think my comment was meant for GirlFriday. As for your post ... Once they get into office, many of them think they are God and can and do make laws almost instantly...which sort of proves my point, not disproves it.

Making new laws by lobbying for change from the outside the way occupy is doing takes years. I was lobbying for a change in Child protective services from 2002-2005. It took till 2008 for the things I was working for to actually get changed.

My son was fighting for the homeless full out for two years and spoke to a lot of people about what should be done for the homeless. Many people he spoke to agreed to help. 8 years later the village he tried to start is breaking ground.

I can see that the work we did made a difference but it wasn't fast and by the time it happened we were no longer a part of it. I feel sad about that now. I would have like to been a part of that victory dance.

He moved to Hawaii and started working with the homeless there. I thought that I could do more working inside the Democratic party and what I found was people who have worked within that party for years to get the representation they wanted from our government.

It's working because they keep the actual working membership small. By doing that only they and their friends are actually getting any say.

I was the secretary and part of our Central Committee, and as the editor of our Democratic newsletter tried to let people know that they were way under represented. I was censored!

They don't want you represented. They didn't want me and my "we need everyone's voice to be heard" concepts. They like the way things are. Don't believe me... look for yourself.

There are a minimum of 17 offices to fill in the Central Committee, more if you are able to get people to fill in all the "Vice" Chairs. Actual number of Central Committee members in Douglas county, Oregon filling the necessary posts? 5.

There are over 107,000 people in the county ... Even if over half are Republican that still leaves 50,000 Democrats represented by those 5.

They choose who runs on the Democratic ticket for the County offices on down; Including the County Commissioners seat's. That seems like a lot of power in a few hands.

We need more people to get involved before that ballot is made up and have some say about who's name gets on it! The lesser of two evils isn't the only answer. Taking control of our political system IS possible, and those little races do matter! Running our own candidates is crucial.

That doesn't take us raising tons of money, but not to does mean the 99% have to talk to each other and listen. The majority have to learn how to work together.

I am not trying to do it alone. I want EVERYONE involved in the system so that the rules we make consider their voice as well.

What are you fighting here...my suggestion was to build a political party from the ground up that represented everyone who could live with that?

Everyone would be represented because everyone would take part in it; every race, every religion, every sexual orientation, homeless people, jocks, writers, homemakers, construction workers, sanitation workers, food service workers, CNAs, delivery drivers, do gooders, and beer drinkers.

I want such transparency built into this party that people know what we are really doing and weather or not they want to support that.

I want to build a system that we can depend on for news about who is doing what and what is working in every arena that people are working on: When we run someone for office we will KNOW them, not by what they say but by what they DO.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 months ago

Your response is a total disconnect.

Hard to tell what subject your even talking about.

Pure distraction, or just a refusal to deal with what I said?

If you really want to "build a party", it's best to know what you are up against.

It doesn't go away, just because you ignore it.

[-] 1 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 11 months ago

I can see where you find it hard to follow. I have been up for days with little sleep and can at best keep track of only the last 5 lines of text with this system. You all seem so angry and resentful. I can't run for any kind of office you silly...I have already told you I am mentally ill. I went to college to become a legal assistant though, and know how to search for documentation when I need to. I was a part of the adoptees rights movement and was a search angel for years. I could be useful. Why do you work so hard to keep people OUT of what you try to do? I have been reading and reading trying to get a grip on what needs done when today I realized that it truly is crazy to think I would just wake up one day and start a revolution against this 2 party system with a death grip on our politic's. It is beyond insane a task and yet just a few short days ago I was positive that with the internet I could do it. No one would let me be in the streets. I wanted to ride a bicycle across country last year and I thought they were going to baker act me. I have been homeless a lot! Almost as many times as I have been hospitalized. Have you actually talked to these homeless you expect to help? When I had my own apartment I tried to get one lady that the police had run out of the park to come home with me, and It was supposed to be 17 degrees out. She said I'm sorry I can't come home with you, you have a mean man face. LMAO I took in one lady who kept my only coat and cussed and spit the whole night. Her I understand...she at least came in out of the cold. You just can't save everyone, no matter how hard you try. I really am physically ill from the lack of sleep. I have to find some way to shut my brain down.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 months ago

Once you've gotten your brain back in shape, you could reconnect by responding to what I actually said. for your convenience, I'll repost it at the end of this.

You can run. GWB is still crazy and he WON........twice.

I've been railing for some time now about cuts to State mental health care systems. I've know some who were severely affect by those cuts. Those cuts were initiated by one party, and one party alone. It was John Engler, a "formative" member of ALEC and a Koch industries trainee, in my State.

Here's what you were supposed to be responding to.

"I don't know what this response had to do with mine but.......

I STRONGLY disagree with your statement...

"Getting people out of office and Passing new laws takes years".

The first part, can be an issue, but after a close failure of a recent recall effort in Michigan, Snyder almost instantly passed a law that will make it close to impossible in the future.

Which FULLY disproves the second part of you statement.

In addition, it took him NO TIME AT ALL, to pass "right to work for less" and re-institute "emergency managers" (appointed tyrants), after the voters firmly voted it down.

And now????

On 2.4% voter approval they are about to institute "rape insurance".

http://www.eclectablog.com/2013/11/impending-plan-ahead-for-your-abortion-law-opposed-by-most-michiganders-initiated-by-4-2-of-them.html

Further disproving your belief."

PS:

Get some sleep.

"Sleep is a weapon, use it"

---the Frenchman---

[-] 0 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 11 months ago

Ah the Frenchman, I like that. Lets take it point by point. point 1) I STRONGLY disagree with your statement... "Getting people out of office and Passing new laws takes years" the first part, can be an issue, but after a close failure of a recent recall effort in Michigan, Snyder almost instantly passed a law that will make it close to impossible in the future, which FULLY disproves the second part of you statement. my answer...

<<<<I have one basic premise and it's that we are not represented by our current Government. We can do the work it takes and get it back.

May I clarify please. Trying to work against what those in office are doing can be done, but it takes YEARS. As for your post ... Once they get into office, many of them think they are God and can and do make laws almost instantly...which sort of proves my point, not disproves it.>>>>

2) In addition, it took him NO TIME AT ALL, to pass "right to work for less" and re-institute "emergency managers" (appointed tyrants), after the voters firmly voted it down. and now???? On 2.4% voter approval they are about to institute "rape insurance". Further disproving your belief.

http://www.eclectablog.com/2013/11/impending-plan-ahead-for-your-abortion-law-opposed-by-most-michiganders-initiated-by-4-2-of-them.html

       <<<Nothing you have said disproves anything I believe.>>>

3) I only engage in "flame wars" with trolls, puppets, people who call me names and people who refuse to honestly answer questions. I can't recall calling you any names, but if I did I'm sorry. <<Sorry shoots I think my comment was meant for GirlFriday.>>

Everything else is there was me raving about how what ever the established structure is, they fight anything that might threaten their power no matter how true or right it is. I think my time here has proved that out as well.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 11 months ago

The quote is from a series of books.

1.) This is avoiding the issue in reality. Not a single comment on ongoing events that disprove your statement. It's like I didn't say it.

These events, only happen since our teabagge(R) was elected, and your response denies all it it.

I find that insulting..

It's the broadest of brushes. The paint didn't touch the surface

2.) WTF do you believe? You've already blamed the homeless for their "position". You think it's OK for them to push through an ALEC test bill? Now you don't like unions either?

I've already said you've proven to be unclear. What are you afraid of? You're statement does NOTHING to disprove that.

BTW. I have a strong distaste for quote monkeys". Very tiresome.

If you're lost, just admit it. I'm not and I know it.

Why do you keep bring your issue with GF up to me?

You've already blamed her for your Freudian slip about the homeless, and at that point, in that thread, she hadn't said anything of the sort to you......I know this.....I looked.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 months ago

those that have money can buy food

Government is a collection of the people's will

[-] -1 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 11 months ago

Those who are willing can grow food or glean food from local farm's. Our local food bank never could find enough volunteers to pick all that was offered and all that food just rotted in the fields. Money isn't the be all and end all that people make it out to be. IT ISN'T EVEN REAL.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 11 months ago

It's so not real that it's paying for the imaginary mortgages in the imaginary tent cities.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 months ago

precisely, down by the riverside

[-] 1 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 11 months ago

It's paper that only has any value at all because we all agree that it does. If you get a landlord to agree to take Oranges instead of dollars, then Oranges are money. More then once I have exchanged labor for rent, so labor is money, if you have lived your life in such a way as to make yourself credible enough to be allowed to use it that way. Not everyone has.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 11 months ago

Listen-I hear you. There is an entire network that exists literally underground. I'm glad you did it. The name of the game is NOT to have to rely on that. I'm going to tell you why. As a female, you know god damned well that you are going to be sexually assaulted at some point. It isn't a matter of if. It is merely a question of when. If you have managed to avoid that more power to you. But, that is a rarity. Therefore, telling someone how to survive that is already on the streets is a bunch of shit or is living in poverty is non essential. Getting them out of that scenario is where it is at.

[-] -1 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 11 months ago

I hate to ask because your being nice so I know this post isn't for me. "I'm glad you did it" What are you referring to here?

As for the other point too sad but true. I was raised in foster care and was living on the streets in Hollywood by the time I was 16. I am all too familiar with sexual abuse.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 11 months ago

Ok, you fucking twit. I'm glad you survived. Now. I will deal with the rest of your stupidity later.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22318) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

"IT" does like to create fanciful stories - and could never tell the difference between a conspiracy and a theory.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 11 months ago

It needs a fucking kick in the ass.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22318) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

YES - LOL - just to get things off on the right ( left? ) foot.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 11 months ago

I wouldn't be surprised this clown hijacked someone's ID.

Anyhoo, I just lost about 5 pages of work stuff and I have to start from scratch because it has disappeared and I can't find it. I'll chat with you guys later.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22318) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

You don't have your auto save set for like 5 minutes or less?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22318) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 months ago

DAYMN I hate (ed) that - when it used to happen - when I was still employe-ed.

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[-] -3 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

And put us farther in debt? Make those of us who pay taxes pay more? Maybe you should buy a house and move them into it. Maybe OWS could use their donations to buy some houses for people? You won't though. You're real good at spending other people's money but don't want to spend your own for your "cause". You need to watch this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRmZ9zH-mYM

[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

I also pay taxes. OK? Not just little old you. So, grow up. These are American citizens. Get these people off the street.

[-] -3 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

So donate your own money? You have a problem with that?

[-] -2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

You have a problem with taking care of our own? How about you get the fuck out?

[-] -1 points by CriticalThinker (140) 2 years ago

sometimes, reason is lost on some people and you have to bring the rubber down to the road ...

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Might have to.

[-] -3 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

I take care of my own very well thank you. I also take care of others too sometimes but that's by my own choice. You really don't seem to want to talk about putting your own money up to fund your idea. As for getting out I believe I'll stay.

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Oh, but I do. Now, man up and get these people off the street.

[-] 1 points by ineptcongress (648) 2 years ago

it seems the US is entirely owned, which means there's no place to legally be (live) without paying some party money--either to a bank for your ownership, or to a landlord, or otherwise you're trespassing on an individuals, company's or government property. even national parks cost $15/day to camp. the only place that i know of that's free, where people are invited, is the Walmart parking lots. this slab city situation seems like it is subject to revocation at the whims of the government.

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

All places are subject to revocation. It makes an impossible situation worse.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 2 years ago

sounds like black rock city with no art and plenty of meth :(

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

They are homeless. Just like in those hiding in the woods in New Jersey and Florida and in the original tent cities now in every state.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 2 years ago

hiding in the woods???

[-] 0 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 2 years ago

looks like a bunch of hobos to me lol yeah these tent cities have been around for years especially the southwest.

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Therefore, you are dismissing them?

[-] 0 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 2 years ago

no but some people like to drop out of society.

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Yes, but that group is rather small. The majority of homeless right now lost everything.K?

[-] 0 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 2 years ago

yes but hobos living in tents in the woods, why that is where hobos live.

[-] 0 points by Kirby (104) 2 years ago

I used to live in slab city. Many are there by choice. I was. I was content living as a rubber tramp, as was my wife. Many people are, so don't knock them.

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Comprehension problems?

[-] 0 points by blackbloc (-19) 2 years ago

there is a way to fix this but you have to believe it can be done http://occupywallst.org/forum/this-video-is-a-must-see-for-those-who-are-serious/

[-] -1 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 11 months ago

They have everything they need right there for a strong community. No one bothers them... why not build a community that they would be proud to live in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E03Z8Jn2vw

This is the first article I have found, that had what I needed, links like crazy...Thank You!

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 11 months ago

Really? Are you really suggesting this? I'll tell you what, you worthless libertopian piece of shit.............take your ass there and rebuild. Or better yet, take your ass here http://www.democracynow.org/2011/4/20/voices_from_the_gulf_one_year

Put your money where your mouth is you political whore.

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[-] -1 points by timir (183) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

Thirty years old and I never had a job Who's that layabout professional slob? Cooling in my yard eating corn on the cob Look me and spread to come squeeze my knob Social scrounging big time yob Unintellectual sexual slob All that I have is my balls and my schlong I could get dirty and dig for spot duties Most unruly, truth to yours truly Roots Manuv-y remove your whatness Lyrical cutness, cuttin' up frauds At home and abroad I`m most untoward http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOSu2h3kCes

[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Another great post.

[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Yes, yes it is.

[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

definitely

[-] 2 points by infonomics (393) 2 years ago

Dialogue of one. Hey, just as well, no one listens anyway. Thanks for the info.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (22318) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Unite in common cause. Hate the things that are wrong in this world. Support each-other in making things right. This is where the healing will begin.

The Government of "The People" by "The People" for "The People"

We are the 99%. Take part in "The Peoples" Lobby.

Take action. See samples of how below.

192,815 signatures so far for Bernie Sanders petition as of 8:27am central time 01/22/2012

http://sanders.enews.senate.gov/mail/util.cfm?mailaction=clickthru&gpiv=2100081904.557411.411&gen=1&mailing_linkid=34578

The petition to save abandoned houses has 16 signatures. We picked one up at around 11:07am 01/16/2012. Were just rolling right along.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/Savingpeople-savinghomes-payingdowntheNationaldeficit/

Here is a place where you can directly address change. Take part, it does not hurt and may very well heal/help. Forward the cause of reform and rebirth.

http://www.care2.com/go/z/e/Ag8nw/zL2Q/B18Bb

Sierra Club has some good things to take part in as well. Set-up and ready for you to take part in. http://sierraclub.org/

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[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

the repelican party is DONE

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[-] 0 points by Kirby (25) 0 minutes ago

You have deluded yourself.

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That is not very likely. I've been engaged in revolt of the social construct for quite some time - and only articulated a case for revolt in 2009.

Here we are. On the cusp of revolution.

The repelican party has lied - repeatedly - reganonomics is a failure, blue dress stains do not trump issues of national security like terrorism, and Global Warming is here.

Holding up the budget debate with brinkmanship, creating market uncertainty that drove jobs and market numbers down six weeks into that debate, and all for the purpose of political gain - these are all issues of very serious national concern. We cannot keep kicking the can down the road when it comes to our national debt - and we cannot balance the budget on the backs of middle class America.

Repelican policy of economic deregulation has brought us to the brink of economic collapse.

It is inevitable, given both the sum of the lies and the sweeping policy failures - the people will vote these repelican fools out of office.

It's just a matter of time.

It's also a matter of national security.

  • the repelican party is DONE.

You will see this become quite apparent over the course of the next six years.

What is uncertain is whether there will be ice caps left at either pole by that time.

we will see.

[-] -1 points by trailerParkTim (-13) 2 years ago

the repelican party is DONE////////////////////////////////////////////////The libtard party is DONE

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

nice

now lets see a litany of the reasons why this rises to the issue of national security?

We only want facts please. That pretty much excludes every single repelican talking point that has just entered your narrow little mind . . . .

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (22318) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Making the rounds I see.

Keep up the good work, people are beginning to rethink their bias and are beginning to shift their para-dime.

Question not what you can do for your party but what is your party doing to you?

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

Question not what you can do for your party but what is your party doing to you?

LoL! . . . Nice one!

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (22318) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Thanks.

Seems to be the appropriate question.

Because some are more apparent/transparent then others does not mean they are acting/notacting alone.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (22318) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

The Government of "The People" by "The People" for "The People"

We are the 99%. Take part in "The Peoples" Lobby.

Take action. See samples of how below.

192,815 signatures so far for Bernie Sanders petition as of 8:27am central time 01/22/2012

http://sanders.enews.senate.gov/mail/util.cfm?mailaction=clickthru&gpiv=2100081904.557411.411&gen=1&mailing_linkid=34578

The petition to save abandoned houses has 16 signatures. We picked one up at around 11:07am 01/16/2012. Were just rolling right along.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/Savingpeople-savinghomes-payingdowntheNationaldeficit/

Here is a place where you can directly address change. Take part, it does not hurt and may very well heal/help. Forward the cause of reform and rebirth.

http://www.care2.com/go/z/e/Ag8nw/zL2Q/B18Bb

Sierra Club has some good things to take part in as well. Set-up and ready for you to take part in. http://sierraclub.org/

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (22318) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

We are the 99%.

Take action. See samples of how below.

184,401 signatures so far for Bernie Sanders petition as of 11:07am central time 01/16/2012

http://sanders.enews.senate.gov/mail/util.cfm?mailaction=clickthru&gpiv=2100081904.557411.411&gen=1&mailing_linkid=34578

The petition to save abandoned houses has 16 signatures. We picked one up at around 11:07am 01/16/2012. Were just rolling right along.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/Savingpeople-savinghomes-payingdowntheNationaldeficit/

Here is a place where you can directly address change. Take part, it does not hurt and may very well heal/help. Forward the cause of reform and rebirth.

http://www.care2.com/go/z/e/Ag8nw/zL2Q/B18Bb

Sierra Club has some good things to take part in as well. Set-up and ready for you to take part in. http://sierraclub.org/

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (22318) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Take action. See samples of how below.

183,878 signatures so far for Bernie Sanders petition as of 7:24pm central time 01/15/2012

http://sanders.enews.senate.gov/mail/util.cfm?mailaction=clickthru&gpiv=2100081904.557411.411&gen=1&mailing_linkid=34578

The petition to save abandoned houses has 16 signatures. We picked one up at around 7:24pm 01/15/2012. Were just rolling right along.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/Savingpeople-savinghomes-payingdowntheNationaldeficit/

Here is a place where you can directly address change. Take part, it does not hurt and may very well heal/help. Forward the cause of reform and rebirth.

http://www.care2.com/go/z/e/Ag8nw/zL2Q/B18Bb

Sierra Club has some good things to take part in as well. Set-up and ready for you to take part in. http://sierraclub.org/

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (22318) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Take action. See samples of how below.

183,361 signatures so far for Bernie Sanders petition as of 10:15am central time 01/15/2012

http://sanders.enews.senate.gov/mail/util.cfm?mailaction=clickthru&gpiv=2100081904.557411.411&gen=1&mailing_linkid=34578

The petition to save abandoned houses has 15 signatures. We picked one up at around 9:50pm 01/13/2012. Were just rolling right along.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/Savingpeople-savinghomes-payingdowntheNationaldeficit/

Here is a place where you can directly address change. Take part, it does not hurt and may very well heal/help. Forward the cause of reform and rebirth.

http://www.care2.com/go/z/e/Ag8nw/zL2Q/B18Bb

Sierra Club has some good things to take part in as well. Set-up and ready for you to take part in. http://sierraclub.org/

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (22318) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Here is a place where you can directly address change. Take part, it does not hurt and may very well heal/help. Forward the cause of reform and rebirth.

http://www.care2.com/go/z/e/Ag8nw/zL2Q/B18Bb

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (22318) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

For those of you just checking in.

Don't forget to petition the Justice Department to start prosecuting the economic criminals. There has to be accountability.

This is why we are here this is why you are needed.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/inside-job-documentary/

Share, circulate, educate, inspire.

See also people from all walks of life, from all over the political map "not" supporting a party or leader or group of leaders but "supporting an Ideal".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2Bgqt1YYko

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Yep. Put the right people in jail and get American citizens off the streets.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (22318) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Probably a stupid thought . . . but, since we pretty much bought all of those foreclosed property's in the bailout. Why don't we "the Government" resell them and set up payments on an automatic bank payment made monthly to the IRS and earmarked to pay down the national debt, taxes owed on the year could go there too. You know sell to the people who could have stayed in their homes if the Banks had renegotiated on a reality reflected basis.

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Did you see what the banks are trying to do?

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (22318) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

What now?

I'm sure it's going to be depressing, but tell me anyhow.

Ignorance is not truly bliss, it is just blindly waiting for the executioner.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (22318) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Well easy to see how that program could be abused.

But still, if it were based on a rent to own by the IRS because we already bought the properties in the bailout and add in the properties that the banks have since foreclosed on and walked away from ( abandoning themselves ) use the rents ( house payments ) to pay down the deficit. It might be a workable prospect, a good use for "THE PEOPLE & Eminent Domain".

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

That is a great idea.

Deutsche Bank is a slumlord.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/may/05/local/la-me-bank-slumlord-20110505

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (22318) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Let's push it. It would be no harder than setting up an account for repayment of back taxes.

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Is it laid out somewhere?

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (22318) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I twitter'd and posted the idea. Now will look into getting it petitioned.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (22318) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

So far just in my comment above. As far as I know. But could be established in a petition and circulated by all who support and sign. I am also going to twit the idea out to the public.

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

DKA, you should start an entire thread for it.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (22318) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Done see attached.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/irs-could-resellrent-foreclosed-properties/

I also started the petition (it is attached to the thread).

I also contacted Bernie S. to see if He would be interested in supporting the idea.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (22318) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

This is why we are here this is why you are needed.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/inside-job-documentary/

Share, circulate, educate, inspire.