Forum Post: The Federal Government Needs To Be Exterminated N' Their Blood Run Red In The Streets - Good Read
Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 24, 2011, 11:14 p.m. EST by NightShade
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The Federal Government needs to break, the agents who work under it lined up against the wall in time square and shot. This past decade the real American citizens in this country had complained about the tidal wave of illegal immigrates who ran wild into this country living off our system that was design for us not them.
They got jobs never paying taxes, sending the money back to there homeland and bought short term home loans from banks illegal activity all the while the Federal government who is established to protect it's citizens and make sure this shit don't happen sat on there ass did nothing and even supported these illegal parasites agenda.
When the loan term ended these scum took off and jumped back over the boarder leaving us with the bill, breaking this country financially.
What then did this goofy Federal government do to fix the problem? Give the crooks who gave these illegal criminals the loans a freaking bailout with American citizens money!
Fuck The Federal government, they are dead to me.
z
Zendog these are wise words i am down for this process because there are many people who have to many idiotic gun ho ideas , and they get other people hurt seriously injured locked up and jailed and oppressed with is probably the worst of all , but they even get people killed and then they just roll on their merry fukng way , well i too think its a great policy to stop the violence on non violent protestor,s and i also do statistics and market strategy analysis , and i can tell you right now that 40 to 60 percent of all the people who were injured jailed or worse in any occupation in the US , were protestor,s who have never really been involved in major nationwide protest ever in their life , and now some of their lives are changed for ever and some of their families will never see their son or daughter again , because of OWS , so think your totally right i would personally prefer to totally teach some of these cats a lesson abuot respect the hard way i learned , but instead i take a different path now a path of non violence unless absolutely necessary , but they do need to be dealt with in any case,
Another activist pussy whipped by the federal government I see. You said it your self "locked up and jailed and oppressed". Why would you candy ass a real movement with hippie shit songs and Woodstock memories to a violent regime such as the Federal Government.
Funny, Cindy Sheehan camped out at President Bushes ranch with her group of smelly hippies to sing songs and hold signs for 4 years to end the Iraq war... Did the Iraq war end?
But rebel civilians oppose to Muammar Gaddafi ended his regime in under 8 months using force.
Thefutureisnow , if you can't stand the heat in the kitchen why don't you jump off a bridge
oh yea i also forgot to mention that some of these bullshit ideologies on this site,s forum,s could be considered plots of treason against the United states gov,t , so free speech is great but it is also a privilege we are one of the only countries on the planet that has free speech rights that go as far as we are allowed by law to go , so maybe someday you will run into a real tactical unit and then you decide is you are really a bad azz revolutionary or not , because that,s where it get,s real real fast when you have seriously trained soldiers or maybe even black ops soldiers ready to fuck you up , that,s the very moment it becomes real, so you think you are ready do you even own a fucking gun , and if you do do you have a permit for it or maybe when they come to kill you you can talk your way out of it like you do on this site , there is no fucking way i would ever stand behind or beside an idiot who has no idea what,s really going on , in a revolution you are the kind of dude who get,s everyone else killed by accident and walks away you idiot you have no fucking idea what a revolution is ,
i am not a hippie and do not give a fuck about your anarchistic bullshit ideologies i am an old metalhead and i was banging heads in mosh pits before your dad ever forgot to wear a condom , let you slip into this universe by accident , so if you want or if i want i can file a civil action against this site for encouraging punks like you who mate false statements and false claims against other citizens , in the form of slanderous accusations , so if you do not believe me go to you tube and check out my OWS video entitled , occupy wall street 2012 live without fear, and you will see what i am about at least a little bit i am not a hippie , but i do have combat training and mixed martial arts training as well as a bit of grappling , and also studied gung fu for over 17 years , not to mention i have a decent amount of training with a katana , so fuck you and everything you are about you are a useless eater to me until you prove otherwise you do not even have a right to exist on this epically overpopulated planet , if we do a head count of who we do not need i am sure you would be at the top of the list and the bottom of the food chain , so if we have a civil uprising or a real apocalypse i will look for you so i can eat you when i get hungry , or maybe i would rather starve and feed you to the dogs, who protect me ,
I've hung around some of the most vial scum on the planet most of the time not by choice of course so you'll have to forgive me since I've built such a thick skin that even the words I choose I don't realize can penetrate the typical run of the mill Joe that doesn't usually hang in my circle.
Obviously your upset, perhaps you could direct all that built up anguish to another like the Federal Government.
Not me
Again, obviously we are both on the same side if we weren't one of us wouldn't be here.
you are an idiot and likely not even a genuine supporter of the movement.
You certainly are not going to sell your ideas at your local GA, which helps explain why you are here.
But the fact is you aren't even serious - because if you were you would be whispering very quietly, rather than loudly agitating for violence on an internet forum where your IP has already been logged, traced back to its source, correlated with the identities of everyone who lives - or works - at that address, typed and cross matched with keyhole data which in the end precisely identifies you, all of your known associates, and calculates the best use to which you may be put.
Go start your own group -
and
clearly you'll need it.
Zendog makes a fine case on how controlling and manipulative the US Federal Governmental mentality really is, since anyone who speaks out against them is tracked down and dispose of.
With all the information I have about what's really going on in my area, they'll just assassinate me, typically by fabricating a car jacking.
I wrote this post days ago, guess what Zendog? I'm still here, no one has broken down my door or sent black hawks over my home yet. This isn't the first site I have been talking smack against the federal Government neither and I've said some vial shit against them too.
Lets face it folks, this is the right moment now to take down this tyrant because it's broke and laying off Federal jar heads daily. It can't hold it's center and the only ones left are the ones who work with the Central American Cartels.
The only installed fear the Federal Government has these days is by name only.
they haven't killed me either dip shit, and I've been saying shit like this for years
If you want to advocate violence, start your own group - don't be tarring the Occupy Movement with it.
it aint gonna stick.
Who are you to tell me what to do, this is the peoples movement not yours so stop trying to dictate over the masses secret agent.
I'm no agent, nor am I any secret
The Occupy Movement, has, by consensus, determined to be nonviolent. This is a commitment, one with a distinct purpose and set of advantages.
You disagree. That is your right. It is also your right to go form your own group.
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They have not agreed to this by consensus. It was a decision implemented from the very get go. It was proposed by AdBusters before any consensus even took place. AdBusters has always been about culture jamming, and not violence. The goal as always been to force clashes with the police and hope the authorities retort with violence so they can use this against them in the media.
Blame the victim, eh Thrasymaque?
What victim? This is not about blaming anybody. It is about better understanding where the idea of non-violence came from. It was instilled in Occupy before the first GA was held. Please read on the history of Occupy.
oh yea i forgot to mention that Anonymous will be handling a very huge part of our fed gov, issues , so stay tuned because they are about to break it off in the world of law enforcement corruption and i am quite sure they will not stop there ,
yes we are i am not upset i am obsessed with getting it done so i had a very similar skin as you say from years of traveling , here and there and everywhere so i understand , we must get through the next year as a movement together , we cannot afford to be a uprising or coo movement then we will prove history right all over again , yea peaceout , Bsafe ,
Yeah sure slick, personally I'm still sticking with my violent theory and if you're looking for a non-violent approach at least get the cops badge number, find out his name, track down where he lives and then send letters to all his neighbors about his activities. Nothing beats a cop down like the embarrassment from the general public.
I mean come on, authority people have so much more to loose. I mean look at me, I'm just some dirt bag on the street I could care less about my dirty laundry but an authority person has status to loose, his superiors constantly looking over his shoulder and some bullshit moral code no one really gives two fucks about other than himself and his weekly paycheck.
you are more than dirt bag in the street you are a human being and you obviously care or at the very least you are searching for an answer like the rest of us ,,,, i have lived on the street i have even lived on the street in Mexico a thousand miles deep away from the American border , and trust me when i say that Anonymous has a lot more than some cops address or phone or email info , as a matter of fact in the last tow day,s they have donated one million dollars , to charities that they swiped out of many different city state and federal law enforcement agency , officers including the dept , of homeland security , and i hope you do all right man be safe out there i was totally homeless roaming anywhere and everywhere west coast east coast down south up north Canada , but i was on narcotics and hard liquor i cared about people but not myself , but caring about others is the wake up call to caring about yourself , and it was actually when i lived with the hells angels when i learned what having someone,s back really meant , and that,s when i started to study Hunter S Thompson , and decided i wanted to be writer because i wanted to make a difference , and after a failed attempt at making it in Ca in the heavy metal industry , i felt i needed to roam around everywhere and play music for people to prove i was not a complete failure , but now i am a writer and a net worker for OWS and i would not have it any other way , so just remember man you do make a difference every time you log onto this site and OWS needs all the help we can get , what ever race color creed , violent non violent i suspect that somehow we will all fir together like a strange cosmic puzzle , that no one can speculate about because there is nothing to speculate about , so here is one of my dedications to Hunter S Thompson , unedited of course, \So take it easy and watch out for the bad freak money mongers , who will soon be bumming change on 8th avenue drinking an espresso they found in the garbage at star bucks while they are eating the crust of a half eaten pannini they scored from the whole foods dumpster to remind them of the good old days life was a big bowl of cheerios at the Yale club with NYC escort on top while their wife and kids were living it up by traveling to Disney land on a constant interplanetary basis with the money they mad by slamming middle class families in the street because their mortgage was behind 34 cents , and their most intelligent alien counterparts who are drugstore cowboys I a small Texas oil town accidentally found a way to compound the radical crap surcharges until it went from 34 cents to 34.000 in two months , oooohhhh those were the good old days , bad freak money mongers bad freak money mongers , oooohhh the shame but its cool Mr Broker you can just tie a stolen bike to your shopping cart to get your family around Manhattan , just like the other families you put there , bad freak money mongers , oooohhh the shame and then when you show up and try to cut the line at the soup kitchen maybe you can pay someone off with classy rolex you had inserted into your rectum by a doctor you paid with the rest of the bail out cash you had once upon a time when life was a bowl of cheerios at the yale club and you played spudnik at yadaga gardens , and found your last gold coin you had stashed away and had to use it for subway token because your eyeball dollar bills became as worthless as the paper it was printed on ,
Zendog, no offense, but you are an ugly looking old shit. I'm no contest winner myself, but for everyone's sake, leave your pic off the forum. Please? For your old buddies sake?
hi i am wondering how many people you will slander on this site , i have some news for you smart azz , there is a civil term entitled defamation of character , and you could wind up in front of a civil magistrate if you keep slandering people especially the wrong people , so i will give you one warning to not make any more excessive accusations publicly that state i am a racist , if you want to swear at me and tell me to fuck off whatever but if you continue to slander me as a racist there is a strong possibility that you may receive a civil cease and dissist order , so this is my only warning about the me being a racist statements , because i save those for my book and my film documentary i am in the process of creating for the OWS , movement so like i said what ever else you have to say in the way of insults is fine with me , anything besides slandering me as a racist this is not a game this is real and sometimes in life people end up with real consequences for real actions, so i hope you will consider this happy holiday,s
Another misguided voice/post for violence. Another attempt at disaffection, division, and breeding of mindless hate.
If illegal aliens trying to build a better life for themselves and their family's have done nothing else by taking cash money that a legal citizen would spit at. They have paid tax on the food they buy as well as the clothes they buy. Don't blame them for not participating more fully, they are not allowed to.
Wrong, most illegal immigrates send money home via western union. The US never sees that money again.
LOL ! I happen to be in Mexico at this very moment, and I can assure you that much of that money flows right back to the USA. The dominant car model here is American, all of our products are on the store shelves, etc. Your zero-sum theory of economics reflects a very limited understanding of the topic.
Aside from economics, I would also argue that we in America are unfair to our Mexican brothers, and we are missing out on much of what they have to offer us. From what I see at home and here in Mexico, these people work harder than most, are seldom the ones on the street corner begging, have strong family values, and subscribe to the same Christian values that were once common in America. Like many immigrant waves in our past, Mexican immigration is good for America; it helps offset the legions of spoiled citizens we tend to brew when left isolated.
The citizens in America are on the streets begging because foreigners have fucked our economy, stolen our jobs, education, restricted our social programs and have poison our culture with drugs. All under the careful watch of the defecto US Federal Government
Your big American car model is owned by a sub-division company in Mexico. Such as Toyota is a sub-division in America from Japan.
Every time a car is bought in your country only a small fraction actually goes to America the rest of it's foreign sub-division. Speak right and know your knowledge before you try to discredited someones post.
The biggest manufacturing in American made cars are stationed in Mexico.
First, I'm on vacation. I don't live in Mexico. Second, foreigners didn't make We The People buy foreign made goods, they only made them cheaply, and we picked them because we always act as though cheaper is better. In a similar vein, the banks didn't make us pile on record levels of household debt, we signed up for that and made the bankers rich.
Granted, there are very few large products made 100% in the USA anymore, no matter where they are bought. I will assert, however, that an American car bought in Mexico is probably worth about as much to American labor as one bought in the USA.
All I was trying to do was refute your overly simplistic view that once a dollar leaves America, it leaves for good. I also could have countered your argument by asking just how much you think you'd be paying for fruits, vegetables, service at your local restaurants and hotels, etc. if not for immigrant labor. Given they help reduce the costs we pay for ket products and services, do pay sales, gasoline, and other taxes, and end up spending a good part of what remains on American products abroad, I don't think your argument has much weight left.
Wrong, Socialist Globalization infringements among banks and free trade is the reason why foreign crap is brought into the US. The high tax and regulations among American farmers brought down the agriculture down fall among farms in North America for the last 30 years.
What is left are corporate farms who carter to Globalize corporations that represent no land or people but only the filthy rich globetrotters that use each country for their own financial gain.
You should really be asking yourself why your own government allows slave labor upon their citizens so the rich in your country can remain in control.
Are you asserting that We the People were somehow forced to buy all those foreign goods ? Neither I nor anyone I know was forced.
Are you serious? A good example of this is American made Television sets, which now only one small company produces half it's parts in the US. Because Globalization had saturated the market for the product.
Slave labor allowed by foreign Governments and backward economist inflation tactics due to the fabricating of the Federal Governments Imperialistic Federal Reserve standard from outside interest investors for the purpose of making a higher profit on stocks and bonds along side a Free market and Globalization.
This was not caused by the majority of the American public.
I am an engineer, and I'm old enough to have watched the decline of manufacturing first-hand. For example, I remember the public buying Japanese cars preceded the decline of the American auto industry. I remember the same regarding televisions.
At this advanced stage of Globalization, it's easy to look at the evolved system and declare it to be the product of an evil external force. With some historical perspective, however, it's pretty clear the American consumer played a significant role in its evolution.
You have to look at it this way friend. Just like how countries don't allow certain species of animals and insects to enter the region because of fear in destroying the fragile ecosystem the same needs to be applied to goods and trade.
Sanctions need to be put in place to rid foreign trade to enter the country. This will be an upheaval due to saturation on the part of deep rooted corporation partnerships and exchange of shady money handling.
This is why a government over throw needs to apply.
It is because of the stock holder and shady economist who hyped up the economy stocks for bigger gain return that in turn created out of control inflation making it harder to make a living forcing the American public to buy cheap foreign goods.
An example of this is the housing bubble, a home 25 years ago that cost $50,000 to buy, the same house in 2007 would be on the market for $350,000 - $450,000.
A home in the 1950 America could support a one persons income, not today unless the career track is president to a large corporation or investment firm, and this is directly linked to out of control inflation and slow growth in average household income.
I doubt we're ever going to agree; your spin on the facts is very different than my own.
Though it may be true that the first buyers of Japanese cars did so for purely economic reasons, if you were alive at the time, you'll recall that the real surge in Japanese car sales occurred because the quality of American cars was very poor. There was a time when everyone I knew was saying "American cars are crap, and I won't ever buy one again." Many people still express that sentiment even though the difference in quality between domestic and foreign cars is near zero today.
Your analogy of a 1950's home price and the labor required is so flawed by intermingled factors it's hard to even begin to untangle it. First, American wages from 1950-1970 (or so) were artificially high due to the post-war global economy; the world was rebuilding using products from the only remaining industrial power, the US. Second, US population has doubled since 1950 while the amount of desirable land has remained constant. Third, we have more single-person households than ever before. Fourth, we saw a rough doubling of the labor supply from the 1970's to the 1990's as women entered the workforce.
My parents bought their first home in the 1950's. My step-father was a well compensated organic chemist with a PhD. I, on the other hand, am an engineer who dropped out of high school and have no college degree. When I compare my own home today with the home I grew up in, I find I have everything they had as well as many things they couldn't imagine. Without exception, the products I have in my home that they also had in theirs are of much higher quality. The air in my city is also cleaner, my health care better, and my life span longer. My quality of living is, across the board, better than theirs.
The measure of an economy is the quality of living it produces, not the number of tokens we call "dollars" that are in circulation. I, for one, am far ahead and wouldn't trade my life today for that of my parents under any circumstances.
The only aspect of the quality of living that is diminishing is access to desirable land, but that's understandable given the doubling of population and increased number of single-person residences we have seen. The $50,000 house is still available, but not in the most desirable locations; land is one thing we can't make more of, and the good locations have been taken.
Land hasn't been taken by the American public, I have my own eye witness account for this since I have traveled all around the States through the years, at least 80% of the land hasn't been cultivated, meaning plain and barren.
Most of the population has been jammed into large cities with stragglers of upper middle class living in town house homes and enjoying country life. Corporations own most farm land and government or foreign banks control most of these underdeveloped land shares.
2010 census has proven the poorest area's are in suburban America.
Inflation can contribute to the high land prices specially in Colorado when a foot of land in the rural area's can estimate to $800-$1000 a square foot.
By your assessment in population as the problem, if so why is it that the Federal Government and activist groups like "The Race" insist that immigration is the answer? This is most likely due to agenda from wealthy cartel, their families, foreign nationalist, slave wage business owners, the kick backs to the Federal Government and Representatives, foreign infiltrated espionage, and foreign Governments trying to filtrate they're minority population.
Of course there remains a lot of land, but most of it is in areas people don't want to live near. The population hasn't be 'jammed' anywhere, it chooses to concentrate near places with the best economic or living conditions.
I identified population as only one of the factors that has driven up home costs. That doesn't mean the population can't overbuild in a speculative bubble then suffer a price collapse when people come to their senses. Does anyone think that many people really wanted to move to Las Vegas ? Immigration would help the temporary oversupply of houses in undesirable areas like Las Vegas by buying up some of the excess inventory.
There is no grand conspiracy. You are being xenophobic. You need to travel more.
Please educate yourself about the American housing bubble, sub prime loans and illegal immigrants. People didn't just come to their senses like you make out it to be, but was force out in foreclosure due to short term loaning by banks, most short term loans were given to illegal immigrants due to executive order (#13166) and the expansion of EO # 13166.
Links: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2785936/posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subprime_mortgage_crisis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_housing_bubble
This post advocates violence, if not the violent overthrow of the government. The FBI monitors these forums, and I for one hope they have noted NightShade's IP address for further investigation.
I hope they do contact me I have a lot things to talk about with them, like the criminal activity in my area and the terrorist who hid out here who harass my family because we know to much, but apparently they don't give a shit since I've tried to contact them repeatedly about it in the past. Of course this government within the government called the Federal Bureau of Investigations is in with the criminals.
They will never call you back as long as you keep wearing your tin foil cap.
Tired.
Silly.
Delusional.
Add one to the disaffected racist column...
I have no problem with other cultures who come here legally without a bag of coke in the back truck.
The fed is the reason for all the turmoil please watch this 2011 oscar winning movie narrated by Matt Damon:
http://documentarystorm.com/inside-job/
I agree, we should get in contact, I gave you a like
http://documentarystorm.com/inside-job/
This is why we are here this is why you are needed.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/inside-job-documentary/
Share, circulate, educate, inspire.
Givernment, in theory, and at previous times in our history represents the will of the people. Corporations represent the will of a tiny, priveliged elite. One or the other will be in control. You decide.
the world get smaller eveyday
OWS is hopeless anarchy.
you do realize that the majority of illegals use Social Security cards from deceased people, hence they are paying in to the program that probability dictates they will never use. This leaves more funds for citizens. I believe that in the scheme of things picking on illegals is childish and shows a lack of understanding by the bully initiating the witch hunt. If society really wanted to stop illegal immigration, they need only arrest the employer.
They are not paying into any program since the majority of the blue collar workers work under the table along side their run of the mill slumlord business owner running off with the profit and whom rarely files his W-4.
Every person I know pays his or her taxes and if they don't they should be the one you should be upset with. After all, they're taking food out of your children's mouth. Besides, blue collar workers are usually payroll tax payers.
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@ NightShade....Go back to your Tea Party with your insane rants.
@NightShade, I am curious, would you consider yourself an anarchist and/or Ron Paul supporter?
I'm not an Anarchist because I despise communism/socialism, I'm not a Ron Paul supporter because I do not support democracy.
I'm an Opportunist
If and when the Federal Government is disbanded many people that did not have the opportunity will be able to make a lot of money and gain power from it's downfall. Old money will collapse and the opportunity will raise for much to be gained.
Thanks but now I am REALLY confused.
My advice to you is take more time in understanding the motivations of the "Federal government". Though, I kind of agree the way our governing system is organized is basically useless. I suspect over the next decade or so we will have some profound changes in the way we organize ourselves - but that is another discussion
I actually liked your comment, perhaps we both can discuss organizing in the future. Gave you a like
Love thy enemy. Make them your equal.
Be careful there, that sounds like a conspiracy and everyone hates those.
First of all this is not how the financial crisis happened.
If it was easier for people to legally become citizens here, they'd be legal citizens and pay all the taxes required. Then they wouldn't have to live here in constant fear of getting evicted. Not to mention this land was stolen from them and your own family came here from overseas, unless you're 100% native American, you're what the french call les incompetents.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN4Q5u0UpQA&feature=related
Those who staunchly advocate violence, and who will not be tamed by either reason, love of their own neighbor, or caution on behalf of the Movement, must be ostracized and disavowed.
Wrong the land was from the native Americans in the region not central Americans who lived 1000 miles away. And yes, the financial crisis was first started by the housing crisis mainly caused because the banks were giving loans to mainly illegal immigrants who possess stolen dead American's identification.
Mexico is very hypocritical since they allow no foreigner to posses land of ownership. Stop talking like a muppet from 2004
lulz. You mean Mexicans never existed outside of current Mexico? That's interesting.
I actually am the Cookie Monster by the way.
Go read a history book about native tribes before you insult someone.
Go read a history book about Mexico too.
Mexico is mainly a large mixer of European Spanish ethnicity. The word Hispanic didn't even exist in indigenous tribes before the Spanish inquisition.
Stop being a hypocrite, and no north America isn't your land, you lost that privilege in the 19th century.
"they are dead to me"
Hahahahahahahahaha. You've seen the Godfather too many times.
Didn't realize this until you mentioned it. Hahahaha
The whole Odumber admin needs to go along with his libtard followers
Feliz Navidad, to you too, buddy.
You should spend a few seasons picking tomatoes or strawberries for minimum wage, and get back to us with your BS.
Wrong, a large parentage of migrant workers posses legal visa cards to work here for the season. Illegal immigrates living in this country steal blue collar jobs, use our colleges system to receive loans for education while our citizen children are robbed of there inheritance to be proved food or education.
Since the illegal immigrate rush to our welfare system, strict regulations have been set on the system it's self making it harder for a citizen families to get on welfare due to illegal activity.
3.5 billion illegal immigrates cost healthcare last year.
Then stop crying about it. Quit whining on-line to everyone. Man-up and take the fight to em. Lead the charge. Although I imagine you are another internet warrior , talk real tough as long as you have a monitor and a basement to hide in
My aunt, after leaving the air force went under the alias Beverly Powers and bombed federal banks along the State of California back in the 1970's. I think my bloodline proves that I am what you say man enough.
No it would prove that she took action and you took to her basement to loud talk online
I had to put up with her ass for 20 years hiding in my basement
Wow! Do you consider yourself lucky for not being charged and imprisoned for aiding and abetting a known terrorist?
What faith you must have in your misguided beliefs to make that admission on an open forum that is monitored by federal agencies.
WOW - that must have been an exciting 20 years for both of you.
And that was for what. Oh. I forgot, today California has no federal banks. Job well done. OR Maybe a life wasted.
She was a feminist and civil rights activist.
My friend Ray is pretty tough too. He is a rancher and a Baptist. Does that mean that he has to bomb banks too.
Ray says he will bomb prairie dogs all day if that will allow him to be a rancher and a Baptist.
OWS supporters are becoming more and more ridiculous by the day.
No. The frauds posing as supporters to try and discredit the movement are getting crazier day by day. Just because you guys fly off the handle doesn't mean you've accomplished anything accept looking like jack asses. We still look fine and we will be here for a while to come. Get used to it.
When did I ever pose as a OWS supporter? Iv'e mostly criticized the protest on this forum. I'm starting to wonder if you even read my posts? I think you should work on your English comprehension skills.
You think that's bad?
You should see how ridiculous their detractors are.
Very silly.
LOL ! So combine them and we have a Theater of the Absurd... aka OWS Forums.
An absurd forum?
Who would have thought it possible!
OWS has proven - the seemingly impossible is possible! Hopeless anarchy!
Have you tried this Sponge Cake recipe?
http://occupywallst.org/forum/2012-first-year-on-earth-without-governments/
Hopeless economic anarchy, is what the republicans have wrought upon us.
Along with their libertarian and reconstructionist backers.
Fight fire, with fire.
OCCUPYWALLSTREET!
Right on Shooz fight the dirty dogs, they are not our equal
I think we need to fight political power with political power. OWS doesn't believe in politicians. Only anarchy.
Very strong comeback.
Ridiculous because I don't agree with your outlook. I Go down to my local occupation because I want real change in this country and the rid of the federal government not to ask for handouts or an easier chance to get on SSI
I think everybody wants real change, but everybody doesn't agree this means dismantling the current government and replacing it with general assemblies on every corner.
The current government is a fucking joke. Are you suggesting we 'wait things out' or sit back and 'see how things play out' or shovel out more shitty bureaucratic legislation piled upon fraudulent self-serving legislation and pretend it's supposed to make any difference in the way this current machine operates?
Right on jimmycrackerson my brethren fight the power!
I gave you a like.
at this point, how can any person even acknowledge any form of authority that any current government represents. We have already entered into a lawless police state created by them. This is Our Time NOW! Solidarity!
Gave you a like anonymoux, I agree as well.
Are you suggesting trying an untested political structure with a population of 300 million people as guinea pigs just to see how the theoretical claims of anarchist will turn out in practice? I might had that these people, the anarchist, seldom want to discuss their claims and their theories. This is a tad scary.
Well, um yeah. That's how science works. Instead of doing the same damn shit over and over and expecting different results, maybe it's time to try something new for once...
That's not how since works. It's not just about blind trial and error. If this was a science project, OWS would care about testing the practicality of their claims before going full blast. They would be careful and accept criticism. They would most likely propose trying out general assemblies to run a small village, than, if this works, try to move on to something a little bigger. They might propose a project like trying to run Hawaii with general assemblies.
They would also talk about the many failures they have had trying to use GAs to run simple campgrounds.
OWS doesn't seem scientific at all.
And you'd like to think the current system is scientific wouldn't you? Science is definitely not creating a hypothesis and trying to manipulate the experiments and results in any way possible to prove your hypothesis correct. I see these exact practices taking place very frequently--it's corruption, it's fraud, it's untruthful, and frankly, it's fucking evil.
The current system has been tested in practice. Republics have been shown to be superior to every other political system out there except perhaps constitutional monarchies like Canada which in essence are very similar to republics anyhow.
The point is, you don't throw away something that is tested to replace it with something that is entirely theoretical. This is very dangerous, especially if we are dealing with 300 million people. At least we know what the problems of a republic are. We know they tend to become ogliarchies, Plato notified us of this 2,500 years ago. There might very well be solutions to keep this from happening, to keep republics in check.
What I'm saying is that we should try to see if an anarchy could be used to run a very small country before we try it in US. Perhaps a country like Haïti which is quite small and which has been all but destroyed lately could be a good place to test the idea. Occupy factions from around the world could get together and provide money and support to Haïti. Since they would be asked to become guinea pigs, perhaps some form of protection could be offered. If it doesn't work, money could be offered to replace it with a republic.
If this did work, we would at least know it's possible in practice. Personally, I'd rather try to solve problems I'm aware of instead of replacing the whole thing with an unknown. I don't think a revolution is necessary. Every system has problems. A country run through consensus would also have many problems, and could be corrupted just like a republic. A shift in governmental systems won't magically eradicate greed and corruption.
Try to understand that the current government has been high-jacked by foreign powers it is no longer a Constitutional liberty free nation but just a regime like any other dictating faction in the world. Espionage runs rampant in the Federal sector, and extremist rule over it.
Hay dog, the "evil federal GUberment" allows you to get an associates for free at any community collage in the union. I suggest you use the time and money to buy yourself a clue. And if the Gov't has been hijacked, it is because millions like you have forfeited their civic duty to the Union.
To JesseHeffran
Wrong, Pell grants only access so much in grants, such as a poor kid could possible be granted $11,000 total in grant funds problem is who is going to pay for the other $40,000 he will owe for the course?
Not only this but when you get into the details the Pell grant isn't ordered to you until you've attended a limited time in school usually 3 months. Mean while if you are extremely poor who's going to supple for you food and board during that time, Welfare? In my state you won't get food stamps or government assistance when on the Pell program.
well, i'm only speaking from experience. But to those other amenities that you speak of, i guess I was blessed with a loving family to subsidies my education. best of wishes to you, and I don't believe the government is as despicable as you believe. I fear the evil private capitalists using the gov't as their piggy bank more than any thing else.
Ever heard of a man name Carlos Slim, he's from Mexico, he is also the richest man in the world. How he got there? Easy, anyone who tracks activity and monitor border communications can tell you this man has monopolized on the cartels and regularly conspire with the US and Mexico government to export heroin and cocaine to North America, he is also heavily involved as a lobbyist in Congress against border laws and installed restrictions against the US drug task force.
How it works, he has drug runners who enter Canada and manufacture synthetic heroin, black tar, and crack from the coco grown in Central and South America, including Afghanistan than transfers it into the US boarder via Toronto.
All under the watchful eye of the federal Government
That is the double edged sword that is our republic, anyone can lobby are politicians. And when you have a wealth crazed society that puts wealth addicts in charge, well, the consequences are what you described. Take a little personal responsibility, look in the mirror and ask yourself "how does what I covet contribute to America's decline?" And if you can't come up with a few character flaws, don't bother replying back. I don't talk to liars.
Double edged sword? I'm not the one selling crack to 12 year olds. Anyone who sticks up for drug runners and cartel dealers are usually in the trade. I notice you come from Arizona, perhaps you have a couple coyotes in your den.
I like how you totally deflected the question then pushed the knife into my sternum. Well, at least there is a silver lining, you showed me your character flaw.
I could care less about character, what I say maybe crude but what I say is the truth without an agenda. Perhaps if politicians didn't focus on their character and more on real issues in congress I'd actually participate in the voting process and vote for their flakey asses.
i love crude. In Workers' Class Speak it is called "keeping it real" I hate PR and PC, but I love WCS. And if you could care less about character, then why would you care if drug dealers are subverting our system. Maybe if you participated more, then those drug dealers would not have a flakey ass in Washington to whisper sweat little nothings to. We get the government we deserve not the one we wish for. lack of participation is the ultimate act one can do to guide politics. I don't buy the claim that if you don't participate you can't bitch, but I do say that the lack of participation makes you just as culpable.
Crude of character is fine but when a group of drug traffickers interfere with my life, by control and hooking people on drugs so when I go out in public I have to deal with these hopped up fruit loops.
I now live in an area when out and about I'm continuously asked if I want to score some smack, when I reply no than they give me a smart ass remark like "What are you doing here than" because personally, I live here motherfucker.
I also don't appreciate some asshole illegal goito going by on the sidewalk calling me some racist slur like "Whats up Wood" this interferes with my lifestyle.
I also live in a dive apartment complex because the Government stole my inheritances home, of this I have to place a loaded shotgun behind my stove because every month a few peoples apartments get broken into and the tenants thrown out the window due to drug activity, so I pack heat because these coked up motherfuckers might get the wrong apartment.
I don't believe this to be the case. I haven't seen any evidence that shows the US government operates like a dictatorship. I'm assuming you got this idea from a conspiracy theory website?
Even if I did believe that the government needed to be dismantled, I wouldn't favor general assemblies as the replacement.
There are many signs that the current government is translating into dictatorship, the patriot act, the insulation of the TSA, regulations such as the recent law trying to be past that would allow military to arrest a citizen and hold them without trial or representation. Social security numbers, police electronic surveillance. Needing to show proper papers while traveling any where in America. Much much more that I could fill a novel with but I just don't have the time.
You first stated that the US government was "just another like any other dictating faction in the world", now you are saying that it is not, but is instead in the process of translating towards this. Those are two very different statements. If we are in a translating stage, then it could still be a very long time before we become ""just another like any other dictating faction in the world", and there's no guarantee the translating phase won't be stopped or reversed at one point.
It really depends on what news you listen too. The new states that have changed their laws to accept gay marriage don't seem like they are translating to "just another like any other dictating faction in the world".
It's also very simplistic to group all dictatorships together. They are all different. This tendency you have to generalize only confuses matters more.
You've convinced me that you're just a conspiracy theorist. Your thinking patterns are too simplistic to be those of an open minded critical thinker.
You miss read me and not looking at the big picture, the federal Government has already been transformed into a regime, the active transformation going on now is happening per state, since States do still hold power away from the Federal Government.
If this is not stomped soon even powers that Govern their own state will no longer have power to regulate legislation. Arizona SB 1070 even though not a good law is a perfect example of retaliating against the Federal Government's advancing power struggle among State control.
I misread you? This is the first time you make a separation between the federal government and individual States. I think you need to re-read what you wrote.
You don't make much sense. You say the federal government has already become a regime "just another like any other dictating faction in the world" (still wondering which one since all dictatorships are different, some very different than others) then you say the States still have power. If the government was a dictatorship, then the States would be under the control of that dictatorship. If some States still have power, then we cannot say the federal government has become a dictatorship "just another like any other dictating faction in the world".
Your ideas seem confused.
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You seem confused on how the Us Federal Government and States work don't you? I could enlighten you but not right now, maybe later when I get home I'll write a long paragraph on how States and the Federal government operate, better yet I'll do a google search on government sites for the material when I find time and post the links up for you.
I understand how the political system works. The problem is you are contradicting yourself in one comment after another.
I find it rather strange that all the posters who criticise me are on the top of the comments in my post.
The posts with the most 'likes' bubble up to the top. The fact that the top posts disagree with you simply means a lot of folks who read your post agree it is inappropriate and clicked 'like' on those top posts.
I suspect you may not be the nut-case this post makes you out to be. I suggest you delete it and try to make your point again without the violent undertones.
More likely someone with an agenda and multiple accounts don't like my post Rico
Thrasymaque, as his name would indicate if you read Plato, is a might-make-right elitist and a troll.
Yeah, this guy is a real asshole.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/thrasymaque-likes-to-give-comfort-to-child-murdere/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/jart-please-disable-inline-images-in-comments-to-s/ The Revolution starts here!
Thanks for affirming that. This guy dogs all my posts with the most sophistic bullshit designed to divide and confuse people. I don't know why he hasn't been blocked on this forum, or do I?
I have to issues I go on about, but I don't destroy people's posts, but this guy just destroys and bothers people for now reason. I don't know why he hasn't been blocked either.
What do you mean or do I?
I just have real questions about this forum and the real alliegances of those who run it. I don't think this guy gets to keep posting here for no reason.
I know what you mean. Most of this mornings best comments were his.
Yeah, I noticed that to. He should be banned from the forum. What the heck is going on here?
This site needs all the people it can get. Seeing as this clown hasn't soiled any of the sites I created about him, he might have been warned. I'm sure you've seen what I have written about him. He won't admit it, but it got to him. :P
The rumor is Thrasmaque does this because he can't touch little children at the park anymore.