EMERGENCY CALL TO ACTION: Keep Bloomberg and Kelly From Evicting #OWS
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 13, 2011, 2:14 p.m. EST by OccupyWallSt
EMERGENCY #OWS EVICTION DEFENSE:
Prevent the forcible closure of Occupy Wall Street
Tell Bloomberg: Don't Foreclose the Occupation.
NEED MASS TURN-OUT, SHOW UP NO LATER THAN 6 A.M.
This is an emergency situation. Please take a minute to read this, and please take action and spread the word far and wide.
Occupy Wall Street is gaining momentum, with occupation actions now happening in cities across the world.
But last night Mayor Bloomberg and the NYPD notified Occupy Wall Street participants about plans to “clean the park”—the site of the Wall Street protests—tomorrow starting at 7am. "Cleaning" was used as a pretext to shut down “Bloombergville” a few months back, and to shut down peaceful occupations elsewhere.
Bloomberg says that the park will be open for public usage following the cleaning, but with a notable caveat: Occupy Wall Street participants must follow the “rules”.
This is it—this is their attempt to shut down #OWS for good.
PLEASE TAKE ACTION
1) Call 311 (or +1 (212) NEW-YORK if you're out of town) and tell Bloomberg to support our right to assemble and to not interfere with #OWS.
2) Come to #OWS TONIGHT AT MIDNIGHT to defend the occupation from eviction.
For those of you who plan to help us hold our ground—which we hope will be all of you—make sure you understand the possible consequences. Be prepared to not get much sleep. Be prepared for possible arrest. Make sure your items are together and ready to go (or already out of the park.) We are pursuing all possible strategies; this is a message of solidarity.
Click here to learn nonviolent tactics for holding ground.
Occupy Wall Street is committed to keeping the park clean and safe—we even have a Sanitation Working Group whose purpose this is. We are organizing major cleaning operations today and will do so regularly.
If Bloomberg truly cares about sanitation here he should support the installation of portopans and dumpsters. #OWS allies have been working to secure these things to support our efforts.
We know where the real dirt is: on Wall Street. Billionaire Bloomberg is beholden to bankers.
We won't allow Bloomberg and the NYPD to foreclose our occupation. This is an occupation, not a permitted picnic.
TAKE INITIATIVE and 'Clean' the Park for them... do everything possible to tidy up the park and document, document, document! :)
And everyone, prepare for October 15!!
http://15october.net/
United for global change. People of the world, RISE UP! The revolution starts now.
Yours S http://struggleforfreedom.blogg.no/
Btw, Bloomberg is getting more and more pissed at you guys, and that can only mean one thing: Youre doing the right thing :) Keep it up and fight billionaire Bloomberg and the rest of the crooks with all you got, and prepare for october 15!
I am here for my due
where's mine?
It's a park, not a campground for unemployed hippies. The park rules (drafted long ago before this protest) are clear about prohibited activities. Police are kicking the miscreants out in the morning. Good riddance. No one is above the law.
Darkhound - you are very wise.
The cleaning of this park, is more important than the world-wide inclusion of millions of the disenfranchised.
Well that's your (extremist) point of view. Happens that the owner of this park disagrees. The beauty of this country is that people can disagree, but all have to act in accordance to the laws.
we all have to agree to work together
did you even hesitate to consider the context of some of the laws that have existed here?
We don't have to obey the law. This country was founded on the principle that we have rights, that we can stand up to the law to defend them.
no...your job is to be a MINUTE Man...you are responsible to the PEOPLE...and right now you a snivling little bitch...I have served in the war...done my part...what have you done...I served for you to even have a say
brother veteran, when you act this way we must ignore your...when you awaken we must accept you. oooo-wah!
Your're right the Revolution over 235 years ago were created and fought by bunch of whiny tree,unemployed tree huggers AND DI'NT MEAN A DAMN THING TO ANYONE,IT WA S JUST A BIG FRICKIN WASTE OF EVERYONES TIME! RIGHT? Go feed the damn birds at you beautiful some other time! We have a NEW REVOLUTION TO FIGHT!
Read John Locke, my friend, who maintained that government derives its power from the people...and the people had the right to alter the government should it fail to discharge its fundamental duties." St. Thomas Aquinas professed that "unjust laws do not bind the citizen in conscience." Thoreau gave this effort the name "civil disobedience," and believed that justice is superior to law and the individual has both the right and duty to judge whether a law "reflects or flouts justice." He went on to maintain that a citizen has the obligation to "disobey the law and accept the consequences of the disobedience nonviolently." Thoreau went so far as to "spend the night in jail rather than submit to unjust laws." So too the supporters of Occupy Wall Street.
Privatized park, now the oppression of it become apparent for all to see!
The scales will fall off of your eyes, you will pull your head out of your ass!
Statistically speaking, probably not darkhound, you will remain ignorant.
I love people that love the law and I know, I mean I really know the bankers love the laws too.
Yeah, especially those that make them filthy rich.
Yep.
As for me, I'm glad the founding fathers did not "act in accordance to the laws" mandated by England.
Okay, so in addition to bitching about everything under the sun, you can go ahead and start a revolution too. Good luck with that.
Comparing yourselves to the founding fathers. I won't even comment.
The founding fathers were broke too...and in need of a revolution. Did they get one?
You appear to misunderstand the LAW. Protecting your family, your property, your financial safety and security and your political integrity is not REVOLUTION.
A confederation of Politicians, financial swindlers and Bureaucratic incompetents have created the Planets single largest human catastrophic disaster. The OWS is the peoples measured response for the safety and security of the integrity of the USA...sans world credibility, the USA will fail. Heroes yes; revolutionaries no....or do you expect the crooks to give you your money back.
please let this be an evolution, as we all know where revolution gets us...
Good point.
And god knows, we humans could use a little evolving. We won't make it if we don't!
Amen
The British considered the founding fathers to be rabble in much the same way you view these protesters..The new American Revolution is here and you can't stop it..It is only because of the arrogance of the elites that this is happening...
Im a working person & I support OWS and my millionaire employer does too!
IF your employer really supported you in collectivism you and he would now be of financial equalness.
One day of labor entitles you and everyone to equalness of compensation.
Everyone deserves justice and economic reality.
;-)
Millionaire doesn't mean what it used to... $1M will get you a nice house and an early retirement -- and that's about it. $1B and you can buy your way into the mayor's office.
you must not be from this counrty ...I was ...born and raised...served as navy medic with the marines...I have payed my dues...have you?....you sound a sheople to me...what have you done for this counrty that would give you any say in the matter...have you defended this Constitution?...do you even know the law....ignorance of the law is no excuse...and man you are ignorant......Semper Fi my brethren...keep up the good work...and dont listen to this little bitch.
"No one is above the law."
Try telling THAT to Wall Street CRIMINALS!.
Are you blind, deaf and dumb.. or just STUPID!!
Darkhound, you totally miss the point of this occupation and you have a double standard. Do you think Wall Street doesn't act like they are above the law? Odds are you are one of the 99%. Why would you argue against your own best interests?
never, ever heard of bad laws/ abuse of the legal process ?
It is amazing to me that people think they are free when they cannot even move, go outside, be in a public park without the consent of government. If we are free we have a right to organize in public whenever and wherever we want. No person, mob, orgoernment can take away thisvright. It is inalienable and protected in our bill of rights. Unless of course, there is martial law...
I am a working professional, have been for 20 years, like many at OWS...
Except Wall Street executives, sub-prime salesmen, Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers ... the Bush and Cheney War Criminals and all of the sold out trash who were paid to look the other way when it was their JOB to enforce laws against banking fraud ... not one of them in jail, not even one trial .... you are a paid criminal too, I see, a fine one to speak on the law.
and don't forget the corporate media, who are also to blame for the mess we're in.
And what fraud did the banks commit? It was the POORS who decided to buy unaffordable McMansions. They're the ones who violated their contracts and defaulted on their mortgage payments. Take personal responsibility. You can't blame the casino for your gambling losses.
Casinos rig the games to their advantage. There is no such thing as an absolute "randon number generator", the gambling machines are computers that are programmed by people who work for the casinos and they can program the machines to hold a % of the money (a sign that also proves the random number generator is a falsehood), and when the machines will pay out via the clock of the computer. THAT IS FRAUD! Just like the Wall Street Banking Casinos!
Are you a "bankster" in disguise for making such banal comments like this!!
It's what the banks did with those mortgages you idiot.
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Sorry to get your panties in a knot with my perfect reasoning.
Darkhound. You should do a quick google search of mortgage fraud. We ended up with an economic system where local lenders were encouraged to give out as many mortgages as they could... their pay was often tied to it. So they didn't mind getting people with very little English signed the dotted line without a true understanding of what was happening. You, sir, are making some very vicious and absurd generalizations about the Americans in underwater mortgages. I'm sorry but it's not all about looking at the market, sweetheart. Social and historical context play a role in understanding what happened too.
Signing MEANS "I understand and consent"
Don't understand?
Don't fucking sign
Don't get me wrong there is a change that needs to happen:
BINDING ORAL CONTRACTS
When the agent of the company with which you speak says "This just means X Y Z" whazaa THAT should be the binding contract which supersedes the written contract
When an employee offers an interpretation of a contract that employee ACTS AS AN AGENT of the company.
Don't want to be bound by what [deceitful] idiot employees say? Create policies to keep them from proffering ORAL CONTRACTS
That is exactly how verizon and AT&T stores fuck over people.
Where is the corporate responsibility?
Where is the personal responsibility?
we are personally responsible for bringing the corporate under democratic control. the corporate employees have surrendered their personal responsibility. they are only doing their job of attacking a peaceful demonstration of a life worth living in a loving community. our personal responsibility is to free our brothers from slavery and deprogram them of the shitstem's BS
HMMM Personal Responsibility, as in, if you take on a debt it is your responsibility to pay it, as in if you take a gamble and loose it is your problem and not somebody else s, Hmmmmm WHO DIDN"T TELL THE BANKS THIS.
Agreed. Don't understand? Don't freaking sign. It's not that complicated.
Good luck to judges mediating oral contracts though. In any case, most written contracts have a clause to state that the document supersedes all prior oral representations and agreements. So if you sign, you're bound.
HMMMM and what was the bankers excuses as to how this turned into such a mess,, I remember it well, do you? In case you don't they said,,,,It is so complicated even we didn't know how it worked,,, anything coming back to you now? But you know,,,somehow I think they really did know how it worked.
Your entire government is corrupted by multinational corporations and banking interests..THAT IS THE PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED.
The mortgage meltdown was a symptom of that..You can blame the little guy for being a sucker and signing up for "The American Dream" but let me tell you, the banks would have never offered a loan to a person who couldn't pay it back, unless they could get out of their fiduciary responsibilities. They did this by selling the loans to Wall Street which then sold them as AAA rated Mortgage Backed Securities....
This happened because President Clinton (with a Republican controlled CON gress) signed off on the repeal of Glass Steagal (See Commodities Modernization Act of 2000 and Gram-Leach-Bliley Act)
The Commodities Modernization Act of 2000 was being pushed by ...wait for it....Enron lobbyists. ENRON...
What happened in 2008 was Enron on a global scale and who went to jail?...NOBODY.
The POORS are stupid for not using their independent judgment and have no one to blame but themselves.
OF COURSE the bank is going to try to sell you a mortgage product. Just like a car dealer is going to tell you that a car is a good deal. Just like a financial adviser is going to try to get you to buy his mutual funds. Just like the car repairman is going to say you need repairs.
DUH!
But if you're going to take out a 600k loan to buy a McMansion, you have a duty to do your own due diligence. The POORS didn't do that. If you can't read a contract, why the hell would you sign it??? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know not to do that.
The POORs crashed the economy. And now they are vilifying the smarter people (i.e. the RICH) for everything under the sun.
@Darkhound: Actually, what crashed the economy was the banks taking advantage of the fact that Glass-Steagall had been repealed, and they could now mix banking and investing. The same thing which crashed the economy during the first Great Depression.
Also, while the "poors" as you call them shouldn't have purchased mortgages, the bankers should not have BUNDLED those mortgages into "securities products" and sold them as solid investment securities. Had they not done that, had Glass-Steagall still been in effect to prevent them from doing that, then the economy wouldn't have crashed AT ALL.
You see, those "securities" were sold to GOVERNMENTS. Cities, towns, counties and states need money for things like bridges, roads, buildings and other long-term investments. So they bought those securities, believing that they were safe, wholesome products. When it became apparent what those securities actually WERE, their value tanked.
THAT is what caused the crash. Not the bad mortgages, it was the bankers selling smoke and fumes.
If the crappy mortgages had NOT been bundled into those securities, then things would have been perfectly normal. The economy would NOT have crashed, and people would still have their jobs, and would still be PAYING their mortgages. A lot of them would have eventually gone under, but nowhere near as many.
The fault here lies with the banks and investment houses. They polished a bunch of poop, hid the fact that it was poop, promised us it was actually gold, managed to convince the certification companies like Standard & Poors to swear that it was gold, and sold it on to us as gold.
Okay, thanks for confirming that the poop is the bad mortgages, and if not for the millions of idiots leveraging up on poop, there would not have been any to bundle as crappy security products.
Anonymouse is talking about derivatives, or "gambles" as they are called when the 99% do something similar (but we can only do it at casinos).
Poor lil' darkhound, is so busy sucking up to billionaires and corporate shills that he/she/it can't see anything else. The uber wealthy, i.e. the oxyCLOWN et al feed him poop and tell he/she/it that it's peanut butter. He/she/it willingly and ravenously eats the poop, puffs out their chests, thumps it a little, and then exclaims how much he/she/it loves that good ol' peanut butter.
If it weren't so sick, it'd be hilarious! time for darkhound to run the site of the oxyCLOWN, boretz, hammity, newsmacks, worldNUTdaily or one of the other poop feeding stations for a fresh influx of, uh, well.....POOP! (for darkhound's sake, we'll just call it peanut butter cuz it makes he/she/it feel better about itself!)
Put another way, Darkhound...
You are on ebay to by a block of gold. You buy it for £5,000 (great value!), wait for delivery and receive poop. You report it and ebay sales crash and are devalued because everyone discovers the gold is just poop. Ebay lied (lets assume it is a product they sell directly).
Who do you sue for the money back? Ebay? Or the people that pooped?
Easy right? Isn't it....?
on point! Bring back Glass Steagall! That random 99%s are chanting that is sooo great! Bring back the New Deal, baby, yeah!
MFW our generation will be known as "the generation of financial experts", thanks to the economic crisis.
Excellent post, thank you for making this information so clear (no sarcasm). I was unaware of the repeal of Glass-Steagall and its impact upon the housing market. I knew it had to be some loophole that allowed them to exploit the situation. And I'm also glad that people who may not even know this are willing to show up and support OWS. It demonstrates to me that even if we do not know every intricacy of every problem being created by corrupt corporations, politicians, and investment bankers, we can still hold firm and refuse to give in to the pressure of being belittled, ignored, or otherwise oppressed. But I am really grateful when someone posts up something like you did so that I know more about how we ended up where we are.
I agree with you, occubiker. Thank you for an articulate response devoid of negative characterization. For those of you indulging in name-calling, you would advance your cause further if you engaged in reasonable and respectful debate that addresses the issues with logic and fact, not vitriol.
Every bad decision made by each individual is their own responsibility, true. But that doesn't make the exploitation of their bad decisions healthy for business in the long run. Case in point:
I work in the bicycle industry, a humble industry. We're "POORS", if you will. But let's just say you have researched bikes with tons of independent judgment and due diligence, then walk into my shop wanting to buy a decent bike to help you win a bike race. I don't care if you really want to win a race or not. The people who bought the McMansions wanted to get rich on investments, because that's what they've been taught to want. Some people have been taught to want to win races. Judge the hypothetical comparison as frivolous if you want. Follow me if you have the guts, and pretend for a few seconds that you want to buy something that will help you compete better. Still here? Good.
I'll make this simple and brutal for you, since you seem to respond well on that level:
You could research bike racing for an entire YEAR (or more), come into my shop with all your independent judgment and due diligence, try to save money on a bike, and you know what would happen? I WOULD RAPE YOUR FAT WALLET DRY!
Despite every best effort of yours to do "due diligence" and use "independent judgment" in researching your bicycle purchase, you will FAIL! You are on MY turf, and I've been doing this WAY longer than you. My confidence alone will crush you and make you fucking love me, let alone my knowledge and experience in sales and the product I am selling. You will leave my shop with a big happy smile on your face (thinking of what a steal you got from that "POOR" bike shop idiot guy) with a sub-par bike I sold you that was two years old and cost less than half of what you paid! Why? Because that's how I survive! I KNOW my business, I LIVE, EAT, and BREATHE it!
THIS is why the banks were able to dupe people! They are fucking MASTERS at it! It's their job, their obsession, their total existence, their EVERYTHING: up against your "independent judgment".
Don't make me laugh!!! Being a "POOR" only makes their job easier. They will GLADLY step it up if you think you can get "smart"!
The only difference between me and the corrupt bankers is this:
INTEGRITY
My job is to sell and I have been able to live well from it for years, through this economy. Why? Because I DON'T take advantage of people. I CAN, but I don't. This is TRUE power; even if I only have a very small measure of it, my power is real, pure, and clean - therefore it will last. This keeps me out of a Ferrari today, but puts good food on the table for tomorrow, and lots of it. I'm about to inherit a thirty-five year-old successful business, with no signs of slowing down even in this economy. Why? Because I DIDN'T do the things you think are okay for capitalists to do.
Your logic shows a complicity with exploitation without overtly stating it. Just because you like the "RICH" doesn't mean they'll like you back, unless you can do something for them besides post on OWS forums. And even if you are one of the "RICH", you're still no more than an object for the rich to exploit (they do it to each other all the time, too!). Once they're done with you, you're out, buddy! Welcome to the "POORS" - in the most fundamental, personal, existential sense of the word.
People who buy products and services are at the mercy of the people who sell, if those who sell are masters of their craft. The corrupt bankers are exactly that. Try to beat them at their own game, and they'll only have outrageously hilarious fun making it harder for you. Being poor and stupid does not make corrupt businessmen smart and rich. It just makes it easier for them.
We're about to make it a whole lot harder.
I could not have said it better. In fact, I'm going to save your responses to darkhorse because they hit the target directly. Could you be Jesse Labreca by any chance??
Darkhorse lol! Are being real with me or are you trolling? Seriously! Don't forget that a lot of people bought their homes when times were good and they had a good paying job... and then became "POORs" after the recession... can you blame them for assuming they weren't going to be suddenly laid off in a crisis, and as such be stuck with a mortgage they could no longer afford?
HMMM Personal Responsibility, as in, if you take on a debt it is your responsibility to pay it, as in if you take a gamble and loose it is your problem and not somebody else s, Hmmmmm WHO DIDN"T TELL THE BANKS THIS.
Interesting to note, when one follows the news, that the majority of people being interviewed because they are losing their homes to foreclosure, are NOT standing in front of McMansions, but rather more humble structures indeed. The reason for not keeping up with their mortgages are multiform; in many instances a loss of employment or major health related issues. If I were to follow your line of reasoning, if you were to lose your job, go through all your savings, retirement funds, and investments, and eventually lose your home to foreclosure, we could then characterize you as being one of the "POORS... (who) are stupid" as well.
Exactly nemisis 1, The whole scam should have never been allowed to reach the point that it , a 40 year old 2 bedroom house for 200,000 dallors in a 10/15 dallor an hour economy. Insane. When thats the going rate everywhere people look what are they suppose to do, besides take on the debt and hope they can keep up with the payments. Sure they could rent but even that is waaay over inflated for the average wage anymore and is just money down a rat hole as well. These banking crooks came out smelling like a rose and knew exactly what they were doing.
Your entire government is corrupted by multinational corporations and banking interests..THAT IS THE PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED. The mortgage meltdown was a symptom of that..You can blame the little guy for being a sucker and signing up for "The American Dream" but let me tell you, the banks would have never offered a loan to a person who couldn't pay it back, unless they could get out of their fiduciary responsibilities. They did this by selling the loans to Wall Street which then sold them as AAA rated Mortgage Backed Securities.... This happened because President Clinton (with a Republican controlled CON gress) signed off on the repeal of Glass Steagal (See Commodities Modernization Act of 2000 and Gram-Leach-Bliley Act) The Commodities Modernization Act of 2000 was being pushed by ...wait for it....Enron lobbyists. ENRON... What happened in 2008 was Enron on a global scale and who went to jail?...NOBODY.
What are you telling me that I don't already know. It's called sarcasm Nick. Our government representatives are no longer public servants, their corporate servants,,, and that isn't sarcasm. My response was to darkbrain,,or darkhorse what ever he/she goes by, but I have noticed posts do jump around on this site,,,anyway I agree with you Nick. And unfortunately the "virus" is spreading through governments worldwide.
I agree with you TTTT...The post just came after yours...
"perfect reasoning"!!!!! hahahah
The fact that you consider your reasoning perfect is an imperfection in and of itself.
Hey Darkground, you are an arrogant self-centered moron! plain and simple. And I love how you refer to the disenfranchised people as just those "poors" instead of insulting people, why dont you enlighten yourself!
The fact of the matter is that the whole social economical structure is designed for the peolple who are already well established and the rest have to fight for leftovers. It's a winner take all economy. Just to give some perspective in 50s and 60s a person with only high school diploma could've gotten a job that would pay $20 an hour (adjusted to inflation), today millions of college graduates are struggling to find $10 or $12 an hour job. CEOs of the largest American companies earned an average of 42 times as much as the average worker in 1980, but 531 times as much in 2001. Statistics show that the richest 1 percent of the US citizens own 40 percent of the total property of the country, while 80 percent of US citizens own just 16 percent (and that was back in 2000 now its a lot worse) and top 1% has more wealth than bottom 90% combined! The richest 1 percent of Americans now take home almost 24 percent of income, up from almost 9 percent in 1976. The United States now arguably has a more unequal distribution of wealth than traditional banana republics like Nicaragua, Venezuela and Guyana. Don't be an idiot! think about what these numbers mean. What they mean is that the so called american dream for the majority of poulation is just a dream (sure there are some exeptions but you cant make examples out of exceptions) because no matter how hard an average person will work he can't compensate for the existing gap because the kids of top ten percent of population are already million steps ahead on the day that they are born, they go to private kindergardens, schools and universities so they dont have to work as hard but already have it all!
Also you want to point the irresponsibility of those "poors" how about the reckless behavior of financial companies don't they share a responsibility? aren't they suppose to make sure that their investments or loans are made wisely with calculated risks to make sure those financial decisions won't blow up in their face? but guess what? they didn't give a damn because in this free capitalist market that they love to preach about, they actually have a nanny state called US government that will come to bail them out on tax payers money and corporations knew that and thats why they took reckless risks that gave them huge bonuses while destroying economy. So much for free economy, huh? And that's how it's always been, it's called privatizing profits and socializing the losses on the back of american population.
Do yourself a favor and take your head out of the sand and educate yourself!
Stop whining. No one gets money for free. You have to work for it.
If you're lazy, you don't get money. The hippies need to get off their asses and get studying / working.
Students in China and India are working their asses off to get ahead. Meanwhile, the hippies are protesting in Wall St., sitting on their butts smoking weed and playing drums. Generation entitlement is an embarrassment to our country.
No one gets money for free? Dude! What do you think the Federal Reserve does? What do you think Quantitative easing was?
The Chinese are working hard. I know cause I spent a year working there before going back to school. They also have to deal with a government that can't: keep the sky blue, keep water safe, prevent deaths from unsafe food, etc. etc. etc. Nor do they have any freedoms. They also have four times as many people as we do, meaning their labor market has an absolute advantage over ours. That makes it harder for us to compete... and we have to maintain strong educational systems to ensure that although our workforce is a smaller talented pool, it is more talented and thus firms should stay here. Can't keep the ed system strong without taxing the wealthy though!!!
The reason many protestors are out there, darkhound, is because they can’t find jobs. Corporations are receiving huge tax breaks as incentives from our government to ship jobs overseas that leaves less job options for us here. How about big companies claiming that current year has seen the biggest profit yet for the company and then you read the CEO’s receiving large bonuses, while at the same time sending out pink slips to their employees.
A lot of these people are left with no jobs and no money to pay for school. And speaking of school, it gets harder and harder to go, especially considering tuitions are at a record breaking high. My college announced last year that they cut financial assistance for the students, but raised the tuition up 10%. I’m barely making ends meet, and I’m working my butt off.
I’m just assuming here, but you probably have not been directly impacted by the economic mess we’re in now. A lot of us have been impacted. Many people aren’t claiming for a free hand out, but are wanting accountability of those responsible for the mess and we want a system that has been broken to be fixed. You may not see things the way we, but do not come in here with your condescending and snide remarks of, “If you're lazy, you don't get money. The hippies need to get off their asses and get studying / working” when it is obvious you don’t know what's really going on. If you did, you wouldn’t be here to ridicule anyone.
I see that most of the butt sitters are rich kids doing Europe, ski resorts, Yacht racing, Polo...and celeb shagging....all on your Tax money. So kind of you to support them. Do keep slaving as a bum wiper.
No one gets money for free? Hmm, seems to me that the Fed is doing that right now, printing whatever they need, in fact.
Work for it? What about the mortgage banker trying to sell you his product that you mentioned above? How hard was his work back in the housing boom? And did he not profit?
I think with the platitudes you spout, you are only here for disruption. Good try. Oh, and come and work a ten-hour day with me some day before I head off to night class. Or not. Maybe you like the doghouse better, Darkhound.
Oh no! A ten hour day! I would like to see you actually work. How about you follow me up these mountains in Afghanistan. I will show you some real poor people
It seems the banks got plenty of money for free, right out of the tax payers paychecks. You're having way too much fun playing the fool aren't you darkhound.
Do you not hear me?, fornication under consent of the king, the king is the people, and we are gonna fuck you up tomorrow. Good night, I will be up at 5am EST.
HMMM Personal Responsibility, as in, if you take on a debt it is your responsibility to pay it, as in if you take a gamble and loose it is your problem and not somebody else s, Hmmmmm WHO DIDN"T TELL THE BANKS THIS.
You refer to the "rest of the crooks" which implies Bloomberg is a crook. That means he has broken laws. Now that you have made your reckless accusation, back it up with a fact.
w00t w00t ... right there with you struggle .. it is very comforting to see the 1% worried.
One fist for all! Line up! Be Proud. Wear the I am a fister pants. Wear the I am a fister tshirt, and the I am a fister jacket. Get noticed. Get loud. Get what we deserve.
know we are of one mind, one hive, one purpose.
We will show them! Fisting for one, and fisting to all! We will not be denied.
One purpose, and fisting bloomberg, I agree with that.
Solidarity and support from Argentina,
Here is an eviction defense tactical plan, penned by an ex US Special Operations tier one mission commander, pilot and mission planner that worked with Delta Force and Seal Team 6:
"This is going to get interesting. Will be working up some ideas for how this could play out. Let's start off with an assumption. This is Bloomberg vs. Occupy. One mind vs. many minds. The goal is to coerce him into changing his mind. Dissuade him. Get inside his OODA loop.
-Go straight for him. Maximize the eviction's taint on Bloomberg's personal brand. Personalize the protest/eviction by attaching the blame to him personally.
Pierce his shield of bureaucratic impersonality. Brand the eviction with the name: Bloomberg. This is/will be a global stage, use it.
-Confuse him. Lots and lots of Flash Mobs. Shut down bridges and major streets. Overwhelm with volume/speed. Non-violent disruption. As soon as police arrive in force, disperse and reassemble at new location. Bikes + Kids. Disrupt, disrupt, disrupt. More flashmobs = more disruption. As long as the square is under attack, keep the city in knots.
-Connect with more people than him. Best way to do this: Eyes in the sky. Get a camera/cameras above Liberty Square. Stream the feed. The better the quality the more impact it will have. It will play across the world. Think about how important AJs video feed over Tahrir was when things got hot. Better yet, get AJ to cover it and stream it.
If you have additional ideas, add them below. Good training in tactical thinking.
Hoisted from the comments:
The flashmob tactic was tried here in Panama couple of years ago by the SUNTRACS construction workers union, and with very small groups pre-planted all over the city they drove the police absolutely crazy. Police would show up at location A, mob would disperse immediately, two text messages and now TWO flashmobs would block streets at different locations. They never followed up with it (preferring massive marches to display force) but it worked very well and with much less people than #ows has available. [courtesy: Okke] "
http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2011/10/bloomberg-vs-occupy.html
tactics and stratagems are all good for those in command and control but let's speak of the benefit to the men on the ground
are you saying we cannot all be in command and control? some must simply obey?
where can everyone get some more equalness for theirs?
At Liberty Plaza tomorrow before 6AM, The best to you my friend.
Javier, This is amazing information - can I repost to my Facebook? Thank you for your support!
You can totally repost it Stefanie, information wants to be free.
You are welcome! , since I can't be there shoulder to shoulder with my brothers and sisters, this is the minimum I can do.
information is free
liberate it from bondage
sick beard awaits
Thank you, javier! I have been down there many times but i'm not able to sleep over. I'm planning to go back in a few hours to sit in solidarity with my brave brothers and sisters to resist the eviction. Your advice is excellent, I'm so grateful for it!
And Im so grateful you will be there sister, my advise? there is no I.
Hasta la victoria, compañera.
Use terms like Bloomburgled and Bloomberged etc.
This is an incredible idea, and I'm sure that part (the "WOW!") has been said a thousand times, so I'll cut to the point.
UAVs. It doesn't take a billion dollars to develop a UAV - just a stop by a hobby shop and maybe - MAYBE - a thousand bucks. Legality may be a murky grey area there, so check on that. But that way, you don't need a pilot sacrificing a thousand dollars an hour on an expensive manned aircraft constantly watching history unfold - you can do it from the ground. Again, I think legality may be an issue (I think the government did a significant amount of rights-gutting not too long ago when they got scared to piss of the possibilities they open up), so ask one of the crew's legal advisors there. But then your LiveStream feed can get an easy "eye in the sky"! If it's possible... get to it, geeks! Those batteries are quick to charge and replace, and could have you in the air 24/7! :)
WOW, thank you for calling me a geek!! :)
Ehh... well, I'm confused, is that sarcasm, taking offense to the term "geek" (which I don't know a single true "geek" these days that's actually offended by that!), or is that a real "thanks"? Haha... I just hope there are people on here that have both the vision I've got for a flying camera (which is really all this is!), as well as the money and resources to pull it off. It's great to see the "cleanup" was called off after all, but it'd still be great to have! :)
I'm proud to be a geek. The most suitable place to develop that is a NYC HackerSpace, where the makers there can put together a DIY drone(uav) with a wi-fi enabled cam and an embedded GNULinux board. The funding could come from Kickstarter project, which would have to raise, I would guess around 5k. The Occupied Wallstreet Journal (OWS newspaper) got 75k.
Glad to have you miscreants out of there. You are not above the law just because you feel like it.
It is lawful to protest, demonstrate, exercise our civil rights. They are not miscreants, they are courageous people fighting the fight we should all have fought long ago. We will win. Take care, our thoughts are with you, and will be out there 15th, sitting in our city.
Spoken like a true supporter of the British Empire.
Or did you miss the part in school where our country was founded by miscreants and lawbreakers?
Dude, that was Australia
But I get what you are trying to mean.
What good did the British ever do for everyone else??
good point....where are your" founding fathers" smoking a bowl I am sure.
@darkbrain -- miscreants? Do u mean all the fucking slimeball MISCREANTS that ripped all of us? Fuck YOU and your goddam laws LOSER, WE ARE the LAW now. get used to it!!! Jim Morrison
Here is a piece I authored on 10/7 which I hope does not prove to be prophetic tomorrow. Remember that there are millions of others that are with you in spirit, just not physically there. Stay with your true course when Bloomberg's Gestapo move in tomorrow to "clean up." Use both your heads and your hearts as you continue to be tested by outside forces. Keep fighting the good fight without engaging in a physical fight. God bless all of you . http://www.midnightdestiny.com/2011/10/occupy-wall-street.html
Yeah, Bloomberg is just so awful. He has only defended your right to free speech and to protest every chance he had but your response to him is to call him a crook.
And god forbid the owners of the property want to properly maintain THEIR investment. And maybe those in the neighborhood would like some peace and quiet. But that doesn't matter to you guys, does it?
The needs of the loudest outweigh those who refrain from shouting!
The owners of the park are the people of NYC. That is, unless the 1% wants to remove the top of their buildings.
Owners? There are 8 Million "owners." Washington Square Park is a PUBLIC park, the "owners" are the people of New York. There is no investment or private property being protected here. Bloomberg just knows that once he gets the protesters out it will be a lot harder for them to reassemble in the same strength
Um, they are not in Washington Square Park.
Good point until the end. Saying that last sentence makes people react negatively and ignore everything you said. But yeah, I agree for the most part with your assessment. A lot of this is overreaction. But there's a good chance that a lot of people will be arrested tomorrow, so it might be worth watching.
Good point. I'll edit.
"He has only defended your right to free speech and to protest every chance" What has that got to do with it? He`s still a crook
"And god forbid the owners of the property want to properly maintain THEIR investment" Except thats not what` s happening in the REAL world. In the real work people are being exploited and are being robbed by Wall Street thru bailouts. "All that matters is what YOU want." Yeah, the people want to take back the power from the non-elected finacial elites which are running the show.
Peace and quiet? No, it doesn't matter, not at all. This will take years, so get used to it. We know there isn't a 6 month "fix" that the FOX newscasters insist we want. It's only just begun!
He also spent $100,000,000 to keep the mayor job. With all the cash and effort he came close to losing it.
He's no saint, he's tried to be the peacemaker when this gets disruptive of his and his people's interest it will be stopped.
Wow, libel much? So what exactly makes Bloomberg a crook? You should be in awe of a person who built a business from nothing. He created and profited. What have you done? U Jelly?
Bloomberg has $18 BILLION in his bank account making him the 13th richest person in the US. Noone can create that much wealth alone. He
s made a fortune on other peples work - profits and exploitation. He`s a crook, trying his best to protect his fellow crooks at Wall St. from this fantastic growing Occupy Movement. But he will FAIL!What's $18 billion divided equally among the occupation?
I want my share of that!
I want you to get yours!
We should remain until he pays us to leave! The shouting wheel gets what it deserves
shout
shout
shout
Give us what we deserve: justice for fisters now now now
Bloombergs wealth has doubled since he became Mayor ...for a dollar ...and we now have a 20 percent poverty rate in the greatest city in the world
Funny but he's not the only politician that this has happened to. Think maybe it's time to get government out of business and business out of government?
why should i be in "awe" of him? i've created and not profited. he should be in awe of me and everybody at Zuccotti Park who are making something out of nothing.
everybody who invest time deserves to profit from the effort!! Not just a small group of few
I am with you on making an issue out of nothing!
Together we can win. Fisting for one, fisting for all! We can all get everything we deserve.
We will not be denied justice for our occupation!
we came here to make something of it too
yes, together victory can be ours!
The time for measuring progress in terms of profit is over
It is time for justice distribution according to each
Why do you kiss his ass just because he is rich? I never was much of an ass kisser myself.
its called being a sycophant, he probably cant help it, its what the current government has been trying to program Americans to be for a while now.
Bloomberg didn't get his millions alone- he used public facilities and services every step ~that were paid for by American's taxes~, just like Elizabeth Warren is stating! NO ONE makes it completely on their own- NO ONE. The public pays for sewage and water treatment, garbage pickup, roads, police, firemen, food inspectors, housing inspectors, the list is as long as the blue pages in your phone book. Some people says they want less government until they get food poisoning in a resturant or needs their house fire put out, or a tornado or other disaster strikes. THEN they want government to step in and help. You know why? Because it has always been that way here. Our forefathers had barn raisings with help from their neighbors and towns; when weather threatened their crops, their towns and neighbors turned out to help harvest. Then this country got so broad and big, people combined together to form governments to do what had always been done-people helping people. Don' t like it? Move elsewhere. BUT AMERICAN STANDS FOR THIS AND ALWAYS HAS!
we should put an end to other people benefiting from our money especially the greedy rich!
we should put an end to other people benefiting from our money especially the greedy rich!
we should put an end to other people benefiting from our money especially the greedy rich!
Stand alone or bleed together! I demand justice for all the fisters gathered here today!!!
occupy for justice
occupy for justice
occupy for justice
If you are not with us we are not for you!
Put myself through college working two jobs. Graduating debt free, while paying rent, bills, etc. With ZERO financial support. I did not qualify for grants or financial aid as I made a dollar over what qualified me. I appreciated what he has done, but should I be in awe. No many people work very, very hard. I am by no means jealous, nor do I want his wealth. I however would like the disparity in wages to be addressed. I am not looking for a hand out, however I would like to be rewarded for not just a job well done, but for the additional job functions over the last 3 years my company has placed upon my shoulders due to layoffs. I make less money in 2012 than I did in 2007, however I work roughly 15 to 20 hours more a week all the while paying for Chemotherapy treatments that my father could not pay. Yes, I am one of the lucky ones who is still employed. So I guess to answer your question, That is what I have done. Yes I am thrilled I am still gainfully employed, but at what cost?
edit:
Less talk about failures and more about coercing victory
Direct Democracy for all! I want to deliver justice. I want to help you get what you deserve. Join us fisting with the occupation today?
One fist for all, one voice for all
Let's do this together
Ok if you want to point to my failure so be it. Most successful people fail at one time or another. Are you even reading what I am saying. Not looking for kudos certainly for failure, thanks for pointing it out so publicly. Maybe I did not get financial aid because perhaps there was someone out there who needed it or deserved it more than I did and that is something that I understand. But why are you coming at me like a dick. I actually thought I would find like minded people looking to change the way things are done, not get my ass handed to me at every corner. Maybe you need to self reflect on how you incite or inspire. FYI I am all for direct democracy, I want justice for all, I want what WE deserve, I have been fisting with the mob. So stop attacking me, for my failures. Everyone has failures, even you.
You misunderstand.
We are all in this collective occupation together.
me too, all of it paid on my own, working the whole time, every little hustle i could find. i have a bachelor's and three advanced degrees (to date, two from an ivy league school) and no debt. first in my family to graduate from college, and i took care of my mother and half-siblings through mom's cancer surgery while my stepfather binged. but you know what? THERE'S STILL ENOUGH LOVE IN MY HEART FOR PEOPLE BEYOND MY BLOOD RELATIONS. i care about more than myself and those to whom i'm related. this movement is about more than just you and your adjacents. stop being so damn selfish and stop congratulating yourself. THERE IS MORE WORK TO BE DONE BEFORE WE CAN REST.
What's the link to your charitable foundation? How much money can I get in a grant from you to promote justice for the mob?
Sorry Deep Fist after reading my post I realize it did not sound right. I am for the Occupation....Read above, I have NO charitable foundation, no grants to speak of. Like many I live day to day. I could never qualify for grants or $$$ aid. I know exactly what is like to live paycheck to paycheck, that's when I do have employment. Let me state this again I AM WITH YOU on this. Yes, more work needs to be done. Lets work together on fixing the issue rather than slamming one another. I don't pretend to have all the answers which is why this is a collective and diverse movement, not a mob so lets try to work COLLECTIVELY! Let's rise above petty, snide comments and focus on the very real and much bigger task at hand. Lets hold Big Business & Government elected officials accountable since they are so intertwined.
I agree. Justice for the mob is justice for the collective.
there is no I in crowd!
If you are not here for the good of the collective you are not really here for us.
The true wisdom is in ushering in Direct Democracy globally. There is alot more work to do, and not enough people prepared for what is really required. We need to cooperate and work until the objective. As long as only a few people own most everything there is no equalization. When can we have a world where no one works to own but works for the good? The rich have gained from taking advantage of public goods. We need to work together to prevent anyone from using our money, our bank account, or our paycheck.
Get on board or get along! Fisters united in common cause. Being peaceful means being not overly violent.
Lisat, I understood your first post just fine... not sure why others didn't see the point. Many, many people work hard in this country. When people pull long hours in the financial world, as Bloomburg did -- or in the movie biz, or professional sports, or IT -- they occasionally become wildly rich and thus famous: hooray for them. However, it's a fallacy to assume that those folks are the ONLY ones who worked hard, and deserve some particular and unique awe. In Bloomburg's age cohort, there were plenty of other people pulling equally long hours -- yes, equally long, investing just as much energy and just as much creativity -- in a kindergarten classroom, or the back of an ambulance, or a small restaurant.
Hard work happens across the economic spectrum. Let's stop acting as if there's a direct correlation between work and income... the latter depends much more on your choice of field.
I think a fund should be organized to get Americans out of debt, student loans, mortgages, credit cards. If all of these loans are paid off, the banksters can't make money off of them. Clearly, if people do not have jobs they can't pay them, and when people can't pay the banksters just tack on more fees, and ruin credit ratings so as to justify more fees and higher interest. If we made a concerted effort to cut off the banks by paying them off and telling them to get lost they no longer have the power to enslave the public. November 5 is a great idea. I have already cut off the banks who tried to charge me fees for checking and have been diligently paying off credit card debt I ran for my business right before the economy crashed. I struggle to stay in school so as not to default on my student loans from an ivy league school .... and in my profession there are no graduate scholarships for Americans, though somehow many non-Americans are enjoying a free ride. These days there is a direct correlation between income and the willingness to sell one's soul. The market does not determine what is and is not worth while.
There's plenty of money being wasted on "foreign aid". That doesn't even include the subsidies for non-Americans to attend American colleges!
Friendly as hell.... trust me I am not congratulating myself. What I did was nothing special, nothing that many, many people do every day, year after year. Did you hear me promote my Ivy league education and graduate degree? No I didn't because its irrelevant. Read into what I am saying, I agree with you, this is not about my family or friends, it's about ordinary people and their every day struggles. I am sorry if it came out that way. I truthfully was trying to point out the disparity in wage, the Business Fraud, etc, and how middle America is struggling while those at the very top are still profiting. Sorry I did not make that clear. I am with you on more work being done. How about this... you stop congratulating your OWN Ivy league education and advanced degrees because although you should be proud of the work you have done, your being somewhat of a hypocrite by chastising me and calling me selfish. I am with you ALL THE WAY, this is much bigger than you or I. It's about the future. Lets work together on fixing the problem for American people rather than slamming one another. Let's rise above petty, snide comments and focus on the very real and much bigger task at hand.
Truth is an absolute defense to libel.
Truth is what you make of it.
The occupation is making our truth for a better seeming world!
Well lets see .... Bloomberg lost 700 million on the city time scandel with 'contracting out to insiders'he was in court just last week for campaign finance fraud,he overturned term limitys against the voters wishes, he lied when he said ther was no money for teachers and was going to lay off 7000 all the time building malls and bicycle lanes ...he was abough telling us where he was during the blizard because he is entitled to a private life,He appointed Stephen Goldsmith as Deputy Mayor and covered up the fact that Stephen Goldsmith was arrested in Washington for domestic abuse ,,,he said and I quote"Stephen is resigning for a better job in the private sector" ...He covers up for his New Millionare deputy Mayor who doesnt even LIVE IN THE STATE..and if you think for one second one iota of a second that Bloomberg was born of a blue collar family and played kicked the can in the street I have a bridge in BKLYN I can sell you...he is a CROOK along the same lines NIXON was a crook ....of the worst kind a crook who strips CITIZENS of a voice arresting innocent people at the RNC and penning them into "Free Speach Zones ten blocks from his 1% friends this is what the face of facism looks like get used to it
like jillybailey said, how does bloombergs right and so called creation be anymore than what all those ppl in occupy sites around the country now 's rights and creation? bloomberg, like all ppl in office cept mayb obama, grew up in money, and in founding fathers whole life of having shit and other materialism, maybe he did build a business from scratch, but that had nothing to do with love and compassion, as we so see today, and he had ppl in "power" (fake only-human created pwr) and ppl with money who showed em the way to even get to office. Why dont u look up examples of creation and see where the real creation is, like wen a women has a fucking baby, that is real life, and real potential, not pushing papers and telling someone ur qualified and then kicking someone else out. Business today is all about capitalism (aka how can u exploit the most amount of resource or ppls labour) and competition (aka how can u hurt sum1 else to get to the top) what those ppl in occupy are doing is real change, is real building, b/c they are directly looking at the structure, and profit, and what has been created by other humans no higher than them, for the last 100 years that says this is the only way and the only system, and saying to hell with that! fuck off! we want to build from scratch, and to go against this so called monosystem and and go from nothing to something now that is real creation, that is real building. What bloomberg is doing is simply feeding off the system and using his little human ties to get to the top, nothing original bout that, and something hundreds of others have done since the '10 duh
there you have a secret to power: breeding justice.
they have tricked the minorities, the poor, and everyone else into using contraceptives to keep them in their place.
I will not be suckered!
Their fucking contraception promotion is bondage to poverty.
I will not be kept down.
Stop being such an annoying dick and grow up, Deepfist. It's people like you who are blind. Who don't understand. You're a good soldier during the Holocaust. You advocate for fascism. Deep fist Deep fist Deep fist Deep fist Deep fist Deep fist Deep fist Deep fist Deep fist Deep fist Deep fist. see how annoying that is. Grow up.
right on -- and right now, in the US, 22 percent of our babies are going to bed hungry. there are some nothings (like empty cabinets) that even mothers can't transform into somethings (full bellies). but we can if we share, but there's never fucking enough for some (1 percent of) people. they're never full enough, it seems.
The peaceful revolution. Otherwise it does not deserve to succeed. Let the violence belong to those who lose.
Sure. The important thing, in the beginning of this revolution at least, is that we grow, gain support and make ourselves heard. When weve become big enough it might be necessary for some self defense.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." M. Gandhi
"In this possibly terminal phase of human existence, democracy and freedom are more than just ideals to be valued - they may be essential to survival." N. Chomsky
until we are free to have the democracy we want immediately we will be enslaved by moderates
we have the right to get what we want when we want it!
I demand justice for everyone protesting today!
Like the War criminals Bush and Cheny.
Keep the fight going. We live in Montreal, but we will be there next Saturday. By using the blueprint of the the Arab spring, they cannot possibly publically utilize force that THEY condemned those governments for using. Just don't retaliate. The only way to win this, is to remain passive. Rush, Cantor, et al are drooling for the opportunity to prove that we are the thugs. Stay calm. We all support u, even if we can't be there yet. But we will be going to the one in Montreal Saturday. Stay safe.
please let this be an evolution, as we all know where revolution gets us...
For those of you who haven't called yet, I thought it might help to know that, when you do call, after pressing one for English, you simply have to wait on hold to speak to a Representative. They have a statement prepared already and ask you whether or not you agree with it or would like to amend your statement in any way. Then they ask for your contact information, which you do NOT have to give. The Woman I spoke with was very nice by the way! I only had to wait on hold for about 10 minutes. TEN minutes out of your lives people! Small price to pay to help out our Brothers and Sisters who are out there fighting for all of us!
Why wait on hold?
Why let the menu control what you want?
We have a right to get what we want when we want it!!
Pick an option other than English to get in a shorter line. Direct Democracy now!
Stop the fascism: demand moral anarchy. That is true freedom!
That will bring us fisters one step closer to getting what we deserve!!
You have plenty of rights. The right to get what you want when you want it isn't one of them. But here's one that is: You have the right to remain silent. (Not saying that you're a criminal, just that like everyone else in the country you have the right to shut your yap from time to time.) Please exercise it every once in a while.
I am a 66 yr old woman. Were it not for health issues, I'd bring my tent and join you. I'd also bring my broom and clean. Take personal responsibility unlike the Wall St Institutions. Keep it PEACEFUL!
Be careful.
City sanitation workers can easily be put out of employment by performing their job for a lower wage. When the market is flooded with wage disparity it hurts everyone.
Think of the common good before acting... please, refrain from destructive selfishness
the collective will live on
Agreed! They did it in Egypt,your occupation can do the same.We The People support your occupation. Keep it clean.
Direct Democracy NOW will get the fisters what we deserve
We have the right to get what we want when we want it!
I demand justice for fisters everywhere not only in new york, and not only in Egypt
They did not do "it" in Egypt. The military is as much in control as before, only now the violence is not page one news. The difference is that now the Christians who participated in the protests along with muslims hoping for democracy, are now being killed and their churches burned. What makes this worse is that it is not the gov murdering the Christians, but the very people they were standing next to in protest just a few months ago
This is Not Egypt
But it could be if we could all work together for the benefit of the collective occupation.
A borderless world is a just world
one collective, one justice
I'm sorry, I don't mean to be TOO facetious, but...
BORG! Run for your lives!
I do not wish to run. I Want to be assimilated! :-p
Your preference would be that dictators stay in power. Well, we know which side of democracy you are on then. And just because the military is now opressing people does not make it any better.
That seems to be typical in history - people of different cultural, religious, or other factors are forced together by a common enemy. When that enemy is defeated, even with a cooperative effort, then they have no one left to hate but each other. Competition for resources begins, and the core desire of humans is to eliminate, or at minimum segregate, those who do not look, believe, or act similarly. This has been the core flaw of humans for centuries, and leads to the downfall of all things good no matter what. We never learn from the past.
Should the Egyptians use pure proportional representation like the 8th USA Parliament, then literally hundreds of names can be elected, and decisions approved, as quickly as all the multiple alternatives can be nominated to a ballot and marked with consecutive numbers beginning with #1, #2 #3, etc., etc,
To see what the results of sixteen years of using this system has accomplished (along with voter registration, our primary accomplishment) be sure to visit the site:
http://www.usparliament.org
Please do feel free to email or call me if you have any questions, suggestions, ideas, improvements, nominations, etc., etc.
--James Ogle [Free Parliamentary] Volunteer Vote Counter, Vote Counting Ministry
Go BarrOOgle 2012
NOT TRUE!!!! Through an investigation, they found that the people killing Christians were Mubarak's lackeys "dressed up as civilians" to try and provoke a "Religious Division". They were Militants and Govt. Officials of Mubarak......You CANNOT trust the Mainstream Media's Reporting anymore. You need to find independent sources if you want the truth.
Read my reply above before you jump to false conclusions. My cousin's wife is a Coptic and the people they are most afraid of are not the gov lackies
you fool...the protestors in EGYPT kept the square clean !!
Are you in it together? Then there are no fools, except those who turn to violence.
you think fighting against any modern day evil can be done without violence? who's the fool now? you have to be kidding me if you think that the greedy, power hungry, evil people in control of this world will be willing to give up their positions to signs, candles and prayer so easily. i'm all for peace, and who knows what the future holds for humanity (based on our track record, probably nothing good) but violence is an acceptable approach for change under certain circumstances, at least in this day and age... that hero in shining armor isn't wearing that armor cause it looks cool, nor is he holding a sword to carve his initials into a tree. i think we as a people, when rising up against any evil need to do whatever we can and by any means necessary to correct that evil... even then, life isn't always peaches and cream, there will always be good and there will always be bad, it's just a matter of maintaining balance. things will get worse before they bet better. you can quote me on that.
Dude, you don't have a clue. If you gave them an excuse the police could crush the movement with violence in a heartbeat. The capacity for violence held by the police, not to mention private security, the FBI, CIA, FDA, DEA, ATF and the military amounts to an unstoppable force. You sir, sound like an agent provocateur.
Here's the deal, all the jocks who picked on everybody else in high school, well they're the ones who work for the establishment. Having a long history of pathological behavior and demonstrating a complete lack of empathy are essential requirements. Lacking empathy, they look down on the protesters in scorn.
In fact, the impression that i get is that throughout the establishment, at all levels, the zeitgeist of the elite is a hairs breadth from finally having the balls to say "fuck em" and really start liquidating some excess humanity.
And until the government is reformed with safeguards against allowing pathologically destructive narcissists into office and positions influence (as opposed to in our current situation, where these people are the only people not excluded from the governing process) and the tides of capital are somehow prevented from otherwise eroding the pursuit of enlightened governance and the pursuit of an ideal in government by the people, then peaceful resistance is essential.
NYPD, do the right thing and go arrest the banksters. Also thank you for not cracking down like they are in Syria and so on. OWS, remember that and be grateful!
Sure am glad those who fought to free this country from the British Lords-who had both money and power and guns, cannons and ammo were not as scared as you seem to be standing up to the wealthy.
hey rumple, cool story bro.
yes, but do not accept that same old belief that there will always be bad, and particularly, as we do now, just accept it as we accept all the garbage in the sea. rage against the abusive, the destructive, the controlling, always.
realitywickersham: i stay pretty open minded, and i try not to ever really stick to one belief over another in particular, hence why i said "i'm all for peace, and who knows what the future holds for humanity". i'd like to hope that maybe one day evil won't be as prominent as it has been in history, or as it is today even... but it's kinda hard to be human and not be a little bad now and then. knowing what i do about this life, where i've been, where i am, where i am going, i suppose i believe that for the most part, it's really all about that balance, as it is with most things. shit, i like being bad from time to time, and i think that's okay, in moderation... i'm not about to get into some philosophical discussion on here but i think that's exactly where stuff like this is headed, because it's just not as easy as abolishing one thing over another... yin, yang, white, black, good, evil... does that mean we should just accept that same old belief, let the shit rain down and not punch back? hell no... i'll be ready to sacrifice my life to make this world a better place... or in the least make one last attempt to "stick it to the man", or stand up for what i believe which ultimately, in my heart, is inherently good... and in the end, i win.
Now this is an example of effective use of "cuss words." Shit, yeah!
just caught this------well stated. i am curious about your take on your own being bad from time to time. i like having more than one girlfriend. some think that is bad. but i abuse neither, and offer no lies or promises. i enjoy breaking crap rules, and we all know what crap rules are. and we all actually do know how to live well. i have no intention of breaking any of the rules other than those that keep me from working for my living and having a real home.
hopefully, you and i will meet and speak soon.
"The mass of men serve the state thus, not as men mainly, but as machines, with their bodies. They are the standing army, and the militia, jailers, constables, posse comitatus, etc. In most cases there is no free exercise whatever of the judgment or of the moral sense; but they put themselves on a level with wood and earth and stones; and wooden men can perhaps be manufactured that will serve the purpose as well. Such command no more respect than men of straw or a lump of dirt. They have the same sort of worth only as horses and dogs. Yet such as these even are commonly esteemed good citizens. Others, as most legislators, politicians, lawyers, ministers, and office-holders, serve the state chiefly with their heads; and, as they rarely make any moral distinctions, they are as likely to serve the devil, without intending it, as God. A very few, as heroes, patriots, martyrs, reformers in the great sense, and men, serve the state with their consciences also, and so necessarily resist it for the most part; and they are commonly treated as enemies by it. A wise man will only be useful as a man, and will not submit to be "clay," and "stop a hole to keep the wind away," but leave that office to his dust at least: —
"I am too high-born to be propertied, To be a secondary at control, Or useful serving-man and instrument To any sovereign state throughout the world.""
This is completely false. The "very people "they" were standing next to in protest just a few months ago" condemned it and are still in shock. Several demonstrations have taken place since that awful day in which both Muslims and Christians participated and chanted for unity against the dictatorship of the military council. The military is trying desperately to "divide and conquer" and is using civilian clad secret police to spread mayhem so that people would wish they hadn't overthrown Mubarak. I recommend you watch the reports on Democracy Now and Aljazeera English.
I have a half dozen family there, my cousin has been a tour guide for 12 years in Cairo and took part in the protest movement. I have been there Many times and have many good friends living there. I will take their word and fears over what is happening over AJ
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=26308 This is the statement issued by the Revolutionary Socialists of Egypt (that's Hossam el-Hamalawy's lot) on the coptic massacre. Sums it up pretty well I think. What are your thoughts?
SO what happened with the slogan?
Music and Wall Street: Gotta hear this folks - insane- http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/i-hate-california-single/id469067565
community...:)
YES! I find it interesting that a group of people complaining that there are no jobs have no problem with destroying someone else's property and leaving the mess for someone else to clean.
If you want to cut the expense of a housekeeper, then clean-up after yourself.
Its the whole system, not the park, that needs a good cleaning, in fact, cleansing.
We are revolutionaries, not cleaners.
Well the Protest was programed to end on the 15th of october. As GWB would say mission accomplished!
I AM NOT MOVING - Short Film - Occupy Wall Street
please share with everyone, including your leaders. Mirroring is encouraged, but pls don't change video in any way. This video is meant to be a warning to our leaders. The filmmaker wants to come to NYC to film and do a more thorough follow-up film, anyone who can support with secure lodging near lower Manhattan pls get in touch.
Including amazing shots from Alex Mallis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjfhOPCPJnE
They want you all to move your camp site.How about moving camp to another location.Is there any area grounds in the area more than one location you know places to camp not so close to down town?Where you all could perhaps get permission to camp at, like if it was a concert festival etc meeting place perhaps private land close by to relocate to?Sombody has to own some land around there thats on "We The People", the 99% side.Or are you all going to not comply and try to hold your ground?I would vote to relocate camp and regroup more will join in with you any way,will need more room a bigger camp site any way. Is there any area grounds in the area more than one location you know places to camp not so close to down town?Where you all could get permission to camp at, like if it was a consert etc meeting place perhaps private land close by to relocate to where its alright to put up tents and have campers brought in like a camp grounds,fair grounds perhaps.With utilities etc.
Even if they take the park away, it's a temporary setback for occupiers but a permanent blunder for Bloomberg. What an idiot to say two days ago he has no problem with the protest, then pull this 11th hour stunt. It's clear they were using the London Daily Mail's story about the park's "filth" as an excuse--I'd like to ask Bloomberg, where exactly was this "filth" really? And if it did exist, did it collect because of the protesters or because the landlord wouldn't allow for its removal?
I contacted the Daily Mail freelance photographer who took the garbage pics -- and the pic of the person defecating on the squad car. He still hasn't responded to me with proper documentation to back up his photos - I asked where the squad car pic was taken and he has not provided a time or location of that event. Or provided any secondary images (as I requested as well) to show that alleged "protester" was ever in the park. He's more concerned with people using his images for free: http://bearwitnesspictures.blogspot.com/
So yes, document document document your cleaning, and the conditions wherever else you occupy. The bigger you get, the more devious the plans will be to break you up.
This is a stupid comment Christine. This is a downtown park in a city of 8,178,000 (over 8 million people) and in one of the most congested areas. The protesters do not have the chmicals and means to clean that park and they can't if they are occupying the space on the premises. Obviously you have never been to Manhanttan and downtown. This park is now a health risk to the protesters and to all residents near by who are paying higher rents than ANYWHERE in the US to live there. Business rent space (stores, offices) are higher too. Bloomberg owes them sanitation and the assurance that they can live and work and be exposed to bactgeria, fungi and viruses from thousands of people living crammed together in a concrete park.
You don't get it. This is not about the park. Its much bigger than the park. Its about YOU and protecting that home you're sitting in or better yet the job that pays you. Those people are standing against corporate greed which threatens to affect many generations to follow.
Check this out. Maybe this will all make more sense for you. http://www.philstockworld.com/2011/10/13/charts-heres-what-the-wall-street-protesters-are-so-angry-about/
Offer to move to one half the park while they clean that side. Then offer to move to the other half that has been cleaned. Offer any assistance with cleaning. Also please remain peaceful. Where can those of us that can't be there send money if someone is arrested? Good Luck Set a good example!
That is so true. Give them nothing to clean. Go gangbusters, temporarily move food and tarps and give them nothing to do.
Just clean the park today (THURSDAY). Now you dont have to be cleared out for cleaning.
That isnt why they are doing the "cleaning". This is not about cleaning up but cleaning out.
I agree. This should be a priority so that those who would like to marginalize the movement do no have ammunition to wage a negative publicity campaign.
I agree start cleaning up and take all your vital stuff and personal belonging with you so they have nothing to take. YOu are correct this is a case of to shut you down. get your cameras ready and RECORD everything. do not trust them. be safe and be carefull. Stay one step ahead of them. get people on look out point so they dont catch you off guard and look for another place to set up camp or make serveral camps around the area....... Dont stop Now you are being heard LOUD AND CLEAR. ! there more support than you know. look at all the comments. Stay the course NO MATTER WHAT this is your time this OUR time.
What is needed is a professional eviction resistance tactical plan. The tactical working group must be working on this already.
Bloomberg doesnt realize that if he gets away with clearing the park, he will turn OWS from a protest into an insurgency.
It would seem that shit is gonna hit the fan whatever the result of the eviction attempt is.
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. JFK
yes Javier you are right
a romanticized quote at best, turning violent now would be OWS ultimate undoing. Stay peaceful!
I agree. you must stay calm and peaceful. If you stay that course, support will only grow
Whatever hits the fan, it must be peaceful, or all is lost.
Here is a piece that I wrote on 10/7. I hope tomorrow does not prove to be prophetic when Bloomberg's Gestapo move in to "clean up". Please know there are millions more there with you heart and soul, but unfortunately can't be there in person. Be the stronger faction in this time of being tested. Keep fighting the good fight without resorting to a physical fight. Take care and God bless all of you.
http://www.midnightdestiny.com/2011/10/occupy-wall-street.html
that would be work Christine....these people don't want to work.
Oh That's productive. i suppose THAT answers IT???
You're wrong. These people DO want to work. They want their jobs taken back to our country and not oversees. Right now 1% of the country holds the nation's wealth and as the gap grows wider than even that precious job you think is so secure stands to be lost. Things need to even out if we're going to get out of this mess. That means churches should be taxed and secretaries should not be given higher taxes than their CEO or boss. Those people are standing for you not against you.
http://www.philstockworld.com/2011/10/13/charts-heres-what-the-wall-street-protesters-are-so-angry-about/
The trolls posting here have obviously not been to the park. I have: I'm a typical suburban Dad and can tell you that the people at the park are diligent and dedicated to keeping the park orderly and clean. The dirt that Bloomberg doesn't want us to see isn't at the park, it's at Wall Street.
Thanks, Dad!
Thanks, Dad!
For True.
The occupation must move the front doors of THE wallstreet robberbarons en masse. There will not be enough police to enforce brutality of the people of NYC if they are outnumbered. We The People must be in the millions at Wallstreet ASAP ...Non-Violently.
If the park was orderly and clean, then why did it take some many, for so many hours, to clean it?
indeed
YourDad - you are absolutely correct! Thanks for posting the truth!
Thanks, Dad. Knew I could count on you.
I hear you loud and clear YourDad! I am a working mother of five who went down myself last week to see with my own eyes. The park is kept clean and spotless with crews of volunteers sweeping and keeping everything tidy! It was something to see how organized they all are. I was proud to see this generation finally wake up to what is happening to them and to all of us.
Yeah, actually, I watched the report from the 'sanitation' team. They're citing the positive response in Tahrir, I think he said, when protesters there put in extra effort to keep it clean. I might be mixing that one up, though - you should check facts for yourself. I don't know about Bloomberg's secrets, but I know about the guy with the ballcap and the short hair who keeps looking for ways to make the cleanup crew more efficient. I liked him - he was willing to do the shit job, because it had to get done, and he did it with good cheer, and tried to do it better and better. That's a piece of what America means to me. :)
I think he said they need more plastic bins. They also put out a request for anyone with a vehicle, so they can move cleaning stuff around easier, but I think that one is a long shot.
They are filthy money changers
They are human beings, just very sadly infected with the virus of greed.
yep.... greed and stupidity
wow, because they won't give you moochers their hard earned gains they are greedy?
By what right are you entitled to anything created by anyone else? Being alive (in the US at least) gives you the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It does not give you the right to put your hand out and demand someone else to put their hard earned money into it.
USA! USA! USA! US...wait a minute...billionares are taxed at a lower level then secretaries. pull a tea party talking point out of your ass that makes that ok.
Many corporations pay no income taxes...
Insurance companies act as real death panels...
Wall street stole our parents retirements funds...
Oil companies have infiltrated our government, and the governments of other countries, and they have destroyed our very own gulf of mexico...
prison privitization, astronomical incarceration rates, killing of foreigners by the hundreds of thousands for wars build on flat out lies....
oh nevermind, let's not be "unpatriotic". USA! USA! USA!
I have to disagree with you on this one. We are taxed on our income (and other things) because that is the price we pay to have an infrastructure: roads to drive our cars on, bridges to cross rivers, schools to educate our children in, firemen and police for our protection. There is no such thing as a free ride.
Who the hell asked for that? I didn't hear anyone ask you for a fuckin thing
We don't want to be moochers. We want jobs, equality, equal taxes, transparent business practices, politicians to support OUR VOICE not the voices of the 1%, and we also want to get the money out of politics.
we don't want a hand-out. you've definitely got us all wrong.
oh yes, the rich earned their money the hard way. they earned it while walking on the backs of their slave-employees while they spoon-fed them conservative rhetoric to scare them away from critical thought, and gave them naked chicks to sell subsidized and lesser-taxed booze to keep them temporarily happy, and frightened them with religion so they wouldn't talk back. you're totally right. its a really hard job to keep the american people in the dark for so long.
:)
very well said kuuura
Sort of like how trillions of our hard earned dollars went into the hands of billionaire crooks after they destroyed 20% of the nation's economy and drove our jobs overseas?
You're defending criminals who sold our future to the highest bidder.
Do you think before you type, or do you just vomit on the keyboard?
The crooks you are looking for are in Washington DC. They set the rules and Wall Street plays by them. Why aren't you protesting Union influence on politicians as well?
U jelly?
And when you say "our hard earned dollars: what tax bracket are you in?
How much of your hard earned dollars went to Wall Street?
By the way, didn't most of the banks pay back their TARP money?
@ U r jelly guess you aren't part of the 99%? no.. your a gofer idiot
Whether they repaid the TARP money is irrelevant. Our government should not be functioning as a line of credit to allow private businesses to take irresponsible risks. They were lent OUR money at highly favorable rates and under highly favorable conditions of repayment. How much would it have cost them to borrow that money from the private sector, assuming they could find anyone willing to lend it to them? Clue: the higher the risk, the more expensive the loan. Make no mistake about it, being able to borrow money far more cheaply than they would be able to at commercial rates IS a bailout, even if it's paid back.
Borrowing money costs money because that money can be used for other purposes for the duration of the loan. That money could have been used to reduce the national deficit, on which we are paying interest, therefore it is costing us, the taxpayers, however much interest accrued on the national deficit during that period, or whatever rate of interest we could have earned on it had it been invested at market rates.
Further, why should private enterprise be given access to these favorable loan terms when we, the people, whose money it is in the first place and who our government is supposed to represent, were not? I am sure many families who were losing their homes at that time or being crippled by interest on student loans or medical expenses would have appreciated a favorable loan while they got back on their feet!
To add insult to injury, having enjoyed the benefits of a cheap loan on the US taxpayer, banks subsequently refused to lend to ordinary people, or loaned to them at exploitative rates.
Typical bleeding heart spouting rhetoric rather than facts.
When I say "our hard earned dollars" I mean the potential investment in society, which should be spent on Americans - not on multiple illegitimate wars and safety-netting the ultra-rich...
Why do you defend those who have usurped your chance at representation? Millions of jobs are being shipped overseas to facilitate lower production costs, while keeping prices here the same and no jobs to replace those lost. No jobs replaced, record high profits. Are you actually defending that practice, or are you getting paid to write this crap?
Correction, UJelly. Wall Street donates loads of money to politicians and dictates the rules they want politicians to pass into law. Take a look at all the states run by Republican governors who have either passed laws restricting how people qualify to vote or are in the process of doing so. Can't be a coincidence that it's happening in many other states besides Ohio, Wisconsin and Michigan.
When was the last time you read about a politician who received a substantial campaign contribution from Big Money and then turned around and told BM to go f--- themselves and voted by conscience rather than by payoff?
At least theoretically, the unions represent their members.
So, the people committing the crimes aren't guilty, because someone said they could commit them?
Like I said.... greed and stupidity....
And like trillions of our dollars that have been pissed away invading two countries without reason..... but we're supposed to be happy with it.
And what you and I mentioned are only two of the problems.
Yeah.... and all of what you said ISN'T what the protest is about, except for "the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". Like I said.... stupidity and greed....
I live down there and you must have walked by some other park. Sure the park itself might be clean (I would not defecate were I sleep either), but what about the surrounding areas. They are certainly not cleaning up the mess that they leave there. Or does their responsibility not go that far? Again, I support the right to protest, simply not the methods that is being used.
who are having a hard time finding a job with degrees. Not all of us can be there and some of us can only join up here and there for a march, go to one of these, like on Saturday and you will change your tune. This is the last hope for our democracy, if we can't seperate government from the corporations then we have lost our country.
exactly.... any excuse to protect the pricks on Wall Street
YAY Dad!!!
Occupying fisters unite! Until we can all share one vision, for one future, for one collective we will be at odds.
Direct Democracy for everyone: f*ck the greed of the republic!
there is so much greed around me in these streets the air is thick with stench
Let's unite under one fist for all!
Convert those in the way through the persuasion of fisting power!
The collective will be heard when we shout even louder. We can get together on this without needless violence
never "press one for english"
boycott that
pick any other number and demand translation into your language (english)
it cuts waay down on wait time
Don't Give Up the Fight.
Don't let the Mayor's office intimidate.
Clean The Park. Then move on to your next destination...the front doors of Wallstreet. Trust me your support will grow and grow. They can't beat us all,and eventually the police WILL join you.
Never Give Up! MiMi in DC
Are you Greek? I think I know you.
We can inundate the mayor's office through the contact form, as well:
http://www.nyc.gov/portal/site/nycgov/menuitem.bd08ee7c7c1ffec87c4b36d501c789a0/index.jsp?doc_name=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyc.gov%2Fhtml%2Fmail%2Fhtml%2Fmayor.html
My message:
Do not clean out the park. We and our supporters around the country and world will boycott visiting NYC and withhold tourist dollars! The Occupation is a basic right of Americans and stopping the occupation through this subterfuge goes against the 1st amendment of the Constitution, which prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.
The #OWS movement is respecting the law in accordance with the Constitution! Are you??
You mean if you had a job and the means to travel to NYC and spend money. Or do you want Wall Street to share their wealth so you can afford a trip to NYC. Work hard and EARN it. You will get here eventually.
Troll.
I have a job. I probably make more money that you do. I live in a $600,000 home and am set for retirement, U arrogant Jelly. That's not important. What's important is that the 1st Amendment be protected and that these people enjoy at least as much support as the people of the Arab Spring.
Pay attention and stop hating people:
The amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.
Peace.
Groobiecat
[ There's an #OWS election process here: http://occupywallst.org/forum/come-to-the-nyc-general-assembly-on-10-15-12-to-st/ ]
[ There's a draft Declaration here: https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/ ]
Agreed. Most of these trolls think people have no jobs,homes or income. Yes,we have jobs. We are just tired of the occupation of wallstreet in our government,our homes,our bank accounts and our healthcare. Do ujelly actually think that just because someone is employed and financially stable should sit by and watch this corruption and not say anything. NO!
First they came for the jew, I said nothing Then they came for the catholic,I said nothing Then they came for the lutheren.I said nothing Finally,they came for me...there was nobody left.
We must all Stand Together or we will all fall.
Well, I'm certainly towards the bottom of the "99 percent" and I want you to go home. You do nothing for me and I'll never back this.
Well said! Those of us that still have a leg up in this horrible economy can not sit back and say everything is OK in my world so screw everyone else. There has been a big injustice done to the American people in this country and in many other countries .We must get involved or as you state they finally came for me!
I have a better idea. Go home. You don't speak for the 99 percent non-richest, because I think you people are pathetic. I would never ask you to represent me.
You're allowed your opinion. No one's asking to represent you. You can continue to work with the "other" system. Been working out pretty well so far? Question: who destroyed the economy: The kids on Wall Street or the old folks on Wall Street?
"The mass of men serve the state thus, not as men mainly, but as machines, with their bodies. They are the standing army, and the militia, jailers, constables, posse comitatus, etc. In most cases there is no free exercise whatever of the judgment or of the moral sense; but they put themselves on a level with wood and earth and stones; and wooden men can perhaps be manufactured that will serve the purpose as well. Such command no more respect than men of straw or a lump of dirt. They have the same sort of worth only as horses and dogs. Yet such as these even are commonly esteemed good citizens. Others, as most legislators, politicians, lawyers, ministers, and office-holders, serve the state chiefly with their heads; and, as they rarely make any moral distinctions, they are as likely to serve the devil, without intending it, as God. A very few, as heroes, patriots, martyrs, reformers in the great sense, and men, serve the state with their consciences also, and so necessarily resist it for the most part; and they are commonly treated as enemies by it. A wise man will only be useful as a man, and will not submit to be "clay," and "stop a hole to keep the wind away," but leave that office to his dust at least: —
"I am too high-born to be propertied, To be a secondary at control, Or useful serving-man and instrument To any sovereign state throughout the world.""
Where can we send money if anyone needs to be bailed out of jail? I know there are a lot of us that can't be there but want to help. Please post information on this website. GOOD LUCK and REMAIN PEACEFUL
post your paypal address then people in need can contact you
share and share alike is on the path to victory
Are there alternative spots in wall street the occupiers can go to?
Are there private owners out there who are willing to let occupy wall street to use their spaces without conditions?
What are the alternatives?
They can evict the occupiers, but they cannot evict the movement.
speech is only free in the right place and at the right time, apparently
look at the constitution... which of those RIGHTS require a state issued permit to exercise?
free assembly requires a permit
bearing arms requires a permit
right to remain silent? try that without a lawyer it's not "permitted"
commerce requires a business permit
property ownership requires a permit via property tax
It's a city park, not a campground for unemployed hippies. The park rules (drafted long ago before this protest) are clear about prohibited activities. Police are kicking the miscreants out in the morning. Good riddance. No one is above the law.
As Reagan would say, "There you go again." Same old post from before. Yawn.
Don't just call, inundate the Mayor's office with email--by the many thousands: Here's the link to the form:
http://www.nyc.gov/portal/site/nycgov/menuitem.bd08ee7c7c1ffec87c4b36d501c789a0/index.jsp?doc_name=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyc.gov%2Fhtml%2Fmail%2Fhtml%2Fmayor.html
Threaten to boycott by withholding your tourist dollars! Tell them that this is a basic right of Americans and that stopping the occupation through this subterfuge goes against the 1st amendment of the Constitution!
The 1st amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.
permits are soft fascism
Isn't the use of large and bold font the same sin as all caps - i.e., shouting at me?
Sorry, no offense intended--at the time, it was crucial to get people's attention.
Yes.
Here's a message to paste into your email if you'd rather not come up with something yourself:
"The announcement that protesters will no longer be allowed bring the supplies they need into the park in order to protest peacefully is frankly appalling. I expect better from you.The 1st amendment prohibits the making of any law interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances."
I did call and I also sent an email via www.nyc.gov http://www.nyc.gov/portal/site/nycgov/menuitem.bd08ee7c7c1ffec87c4b36d501c789a0/index.jsp?doc_name=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyc.gov%2Fhtml%2Fmail%2Fhtml%2Fmayor.html
I AM NOT MOVING - Short Film - Occupy Wall Street
please share with everyone, including your leaders. Mirroring is encouraged, but pls don't change video in any way. This video is meant to be a warning to our leaders. The filmmaker wants to come to NYC to film and do a more thorough follow-up film, anyone who can support with secure lodging near lower Manhattan pls get in touch.
Including amazing shots from Alex Mallis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjfhOPCPJnE
Hang in there and keep the fight going (peacefully), you are performing a great service for all who cannot be there. Civil Disobedience is peaceful!!!
I wish all you lazy protesters would stop occupying wall street and try something different like working a fucking job!
Be ready to be cold. Be ready to be hungry. Be ready to suffer as those who truly are willing to sacrifice are willing to suffer. If you are, others will come to join you. If you are are not, the many will desert you. But I am coming. So stay where you are and so many will join you. Davitch
I cannot teach you violence, as I do not myself believe in it. I can only teach you not to bow your heads before any one even at the cost of your life.
Americans who join the military are willing to give up their lives to support their belief in freedom and equality for all. Are you willing to do the same? Would you sacrifice your own life, as have many before you, to stand up for your beliefs?
Need another reason to show up tonight?
So I'm at home figuring out if and when I'm going to Occupy Wall Street to fight big banks among other things. And my phone rings with an 866 area code. Curious who's calling me at 11:45 PM? Me too! I answer, someone asks to speak to a friend, who happens to be at my apt. Weird. I ask who's calling - it's Capital One Bank. How did they get my phone number? They declined to tell me. Is this legal? They declined to answer. Can I speak to a supervisor? No. Can I get your name? They gave me their first name. Can I get your last name? No. Can I get your employee ID number? They hung up. Interestingly, they had called my friend a few minutes earlier; he didn’t answer. Yes, I'll be heading to Wall Street.
Tell your lazy tattoo hippie friend to to call the bank back and apologize for stealing their money. And he needs to return the nose earring. Losers. Theirs! Your friend stole money and is shocked the bank wants their money. You dirty fucks need your dicks kicked.
Well, as Dana Carvey would say as the little old church lady, "Well, isn't that special?" Check out Saturday Night Live's "Church Chat with the Church Lady."
http://www.hulu.com/watch/4151/saturday-night-live-church-chat
I think we all need a good laugh at this point.
Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things. Winston Churchill
This will most likely be put at the end, but has anybody looked at the time stamps? ALL of these comments are being edited for maximum message appeal. 2 hours ago, then 6 hours age, the 15 min age, then 7 hours ago, then 2 days ago... Wake up! this whole thing is a manipulation by something bigger than you and I! Somebody has an agenda, and it is not us...
Handle this exactly the same way you handle your SOB landlord. Take pictures of every inch of the park cleaned up, document anything broken (because they will break things and blame you) email all these pictures to a trusted lawyer or friend before the raid, in case your cell phone gets broken in the raid. Stay strong and don' t forget to link arms and legs.
I am 64 years old, with a bachelor's and master's degree. This is fundamentally a different America from when I graduated from college. In 1974:
There were plenty of manufacturing, engineering, and drafting jobs with good salaries and benefits. No one needed unemployment benefits for 26 to 99 weeks. The federal debt had been paid down from 125 % to 35 % of GDP by 7 presidents after WWII. There were no people that couldn't get jobs to pay off their student loans.
These young people are seeing a very different and far more difficult America.
In 1995, Amway already knew that "my children would struggle to achieve the same life style". That is a very true statement. They knew what was coming back then.
I think that you guys are most likely breaking the law. Most cities require a permit to occupy public places for any extended length of time, I think that if you want to continue your protest you need to find some private property to do it from. How dare you claim to be 99% of the population's views you do not represent my views or the views of anyone that i know. So don't claim something that you are not. And how dare you think that you are entitled to have debt forgiven that you knew full and well what you were getting into when you agreed to make the payments on that debt. you are not entitled to and should not be entitled to any of my money whether i make 5 dollars a week or 1 billion dollars a week. May be if you were protesting naked i would me more inclined to believe what you claim to stand for. Who do you think receives the money for the things that you buy you guys are big hypocrites how can you be taken seriously. and i am not a Tea Party person.
Bloomberg disturbed the freedom of speak and demonstrating. Take actions against Bloomberg and all other Bloombergs Use his money to help the poor, the weakest, the workers and children. 15 oktober there will be Occupy Wallstreet actions in the Netherlands in Amsterdam, Rotterdam, The Hague and Utrecht for supporting you, Occupy Wallstreet and against the robbery of the citizens by the rich elite and their government. US and EU are the same
So, um, I read the letter from the park owners/developers (whatever). They have a really good point and I don't think it can be fought reasonably. I think the whole operation should move to City Hall. There's more space and it's public property, you now government of the people, by the people... that whole thing.. I don't see what difference it makes at this point since the park isn't actually on Wall Street. I think City Hall would be just as symbolic, especially now that the movement has spread so much. Just MHO.
the streets were built with out money as much as parks or city hall!
the occupation will not be denied justice
city hall is not the problem
this is not a "city issue"
in order to be heard we must be seen, and seen being very loud
why wouldn't you be seen at City Hall? I don't think it's about being denied justice. I think it's about common sense. And also it's not really a Wall Street thing either, if you think about it. It's a corporate greed thing. You could just as easily Occupy 5th Ave or Occupy Time Square or Occupy the Diamond District, etc. With the movement in so many places around the globe I think it would be a good omen to show how flexible the movement is. I mean have you read the letter? http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/256243-brookfield-letter-to-kelly.html#document/p1 Brookfield makes some excellent points, especially regarding the safety of the Occupiers. And most importantly the park wasn't even the first planned location. Also, Bloomberg is a billionaire he bought his third term. Why aren't you protesting that? Why does he get a free pass. City Hall has everything to do with this. If you can't sleep in the park sleep at City Hall. If they try to kick Occupiers out of City Hall that IS a legal issue.
please be nice when you call. the woman i spoke with is just doing her job. she is NOT bloomberg. be calm, kind, respectful. and let them know you are against the so-called cleaning.
you fukin dirtbags, theres a stench in the park and it needs to be fukin cleaned. bloomberg couldnt give 2 shits about you going back once its cleaned as once the cold comes in, theres no way youll hang around. so you guys are eventually gone either way
Actually, the right to assemble and protest does, in fact, trump private property rights when the private property in question is commonly used as a public amenity as Brookfield itself has admitted. Brookfield did not create the plaza out of altruism, but rather created the plaza in exchange for significant allowances in building height restrictions from the City of New York. In other words, they were required to build a PUBLIC plaza in order to build their building. The real constitutional question we should be asking is why the protesters are not allowed to camp on Wall Street itself - a public street and a public right of way which is somehow off limits to our FIrst Amendment rights to freedom of speech - as if it is located in another country and not subject to the constitution. But then again, it kind of embodies what the protesters are complaining about anyway, doesn't it.
speech is only free where permits are issued by the state with which you take issue
"wait in line, do what you're told, and everything will be fine"
fuck that
buy zip ties and pvc pipes! chain to eachother!
This is exactly what they did in Madison. They claimed they had to 'clean' the capital building. Protesters were asked to leave. As you all remember, protesters were not let back inside. It's a trick, we've seen it before. Do not leave. It is also not possible to follow the new rules they are imposing. Keep up the good fight.
I just spoke with a lady at 311. She was polite. She allowed me to leave a message and I dictated it to her: Don't clean Zuccotti Park it's already clean. We all know this is a ploy to end the Occupy Wall Street movement. When I was finished she asked for my name and address so she could send me a confirmation number. It felt a little creepy but I figured, what have we got to lose? We all need to be in this or we're all in a lot of trouble.
Why doesn't Mayor Bloomberg hire some of the Protesters to help clean up? If it's truly a "cleaning" job we're all ready to clean house in Washington!!! Bring it on, you won't stop us all!!!!!!!! Keep the peace ya'll.
Don't feed the trolls and maybe they'll go back to commenting on freerepublic.com and the Fox News website.
I gotta stop feeding them, but they make me so upset :{
And it's fun sometimes. =)
Lovely idea!
As others have said, continue to do the cleanup yourselves. Send pictures to the news and social media sites; show them you are keeping it clean. And when the police come in the morning, no matter what they do, DON'T strike back. Be resilient, be flexible, but don't be violent. Nonviolence is the only way the message of this protest can continue.
Plenty of taxes are extracted from my labor. Not only would doing that be extra burdensome but it would disadvantage the city sanitation workers
would you take food out of their mouth to spite the corporations?
Just leave Zuccotti since it is private property and you are being asked to leave. Move your occupation to another park, like Battery Park, Union Square, even Central Park (really expand and spread out). There is a large park in front of City Hall. It's really easy, just get up and march over.
yes marching over and moving to anotehr location peacefully will set a good example and keep the reputation up...but if the people are being asked to move temporarily AND being told the park is going to be cleaned in sections, doesn't that show the city is trying to work WITH them/us??? people need to have a little trust on BOTH sides if this is going to go anywhere...
That might have some credibility if they weren't also dictating that the occupiers can't come back with sleeping bags, tarpaulins etc... basically, anything that will enable them to OCCUPY.
So the protesters got their way- they are still "occupying" private property. Yes, some people did clean up but it's still pretty nasty down there (passed by just today).
My big issue is this- I believe in the right of a person or organization to own property. Why aren't the occupiers on government property?
Because inexplicably, occupying city property requires a permit. Occupying private property does not.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/10/06/news/companies/occupy_wall_street_park/index.htm
Don't you get it? if it is an "occupation" why would you care about permits? If the owner of private property asks you to move, why won't you? Because you have nowhere else to go?
Fighting police, having no respect for private property or NYers trying to go about their days, having no goals, and general state of the park (disgusting compared to what it was before) has made me completely stop supporting OWS. Don't bother responding- I'm off this site. OWS is actually ridiculous.
Also, please take a collection and give a small money to Brookfield to help with the additional clean up costs.
wow! What a pathetic analogy of something I am very proud of and I am 62 years old...
actually, if a private property designs the property for any public use, then 1st Amendment rights do apply. case law tries to balance the private owners' rights with the 1st Amendment rights, and it's different for every state. kind of a grey area. not a lawyer, but please check your facts before you pontificate. on the legal point: http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/assembly-on-private-property = on the hippies point "The new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll shows that Americans support the Occupy Wall Street protests by a two-to-one margin (37 percent in favor, 18 percent opposed)" http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/10/13/343028/chart-americans-support-occupy-wall-street-oppose-tea-party/
You are really generalizing and presuming a lot to guess that none of those people had a job or want a job.
I have a friend who would go down and protest but she just finally got a job after two years of unemployment due to the recession. She even tried applying for jobs below her skill set but no one would hire her then due to over-qualification. She was stuck.
There are a lot of Americans who do have to work their jobs to keep food on the table and take care of their families. But that doesn't mean they wouldn't be there protesting if they could. Someone should stand up for them even when they can't because it is the right thing to do.
So your idea of an "average American" is someone straight, over forty, and who doesn't believe in fighting for what's right cuz that's pretty much what you've narrowed it down to. Honestly, if you think that is what the "average American" is like, I highly suggest that you get out of your little bubble and look around.
This average, middle class and middle aged American spends a few hours there every day, at lunch and after work. I'm probably invisible to you because I look so ordinary. People like me are part of the 99% also!
Right on.... you hippie.....LOL!!!! I'm making fun of those accusing every protester of being hippies and rastas without jobs!!
It was reported OWS has raised $150,000 - spend a little of it on a cleaning service/arrangements with the owners.
increase your numbers and sit down in the streets. force the NYPD to arrest you and then demand a trial by jury, as is your right.
this will grind the system to a halt.
As long as the park is clean, the city should be accommodating given the special circumstances. Nice try, Bloomberg.
Stay strong OWS!
oh boy, here it comes. you know the want us out before the 15th. be strong, hold your ground.
CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE. Do not be moved. As soon as they clear you out, they won't let you return. I hope you secure those dumpsters and portable toilets. But don't be moved.
"The mass of men serve the state thus, not as men mainly, but as machines, with their bodies. They are the standing army, and the militia, jailers, constables, posse comitatus, etc. In most cases there is no free exercise whatever of the judgment or of the moral sense; but they put themselves on a level with wood and earth and stones; and wooden men can perhaps be manufactured that will serve the purpose as well. Such command no more respect than men of straw or a lump of dirt. They have the same sort of worth only as horses and dogs. Yet such as these even are commonly esteemed good citizens. Others, as most legislators, politicians, lawyers, ministers, and office-holders, serve the state chiefly with their heads; and, as they rarely make any moral distinctions, they are as likely to serve the devil, without intending it, as God. A very few, as heroes, patriots, martyrs, reformers in the great sense, and men, serve the state with their consciences also, and so necessarily resist it for the most part; and they are commonly treated as enemies by it. A wise man will only be useful as a man, and will not submit to be "clay," and "stop a hole to keep the wind away," but leave that office to his dust at least: —
"I am too high-born to be propertied, To be a secondary at control, Or useful serving-man and instrument To any sovereign state throughout the world.""
Fuck Bloomberg and his army. He and his army are one of the very reasons for the protest.
HELL NO!!! WE WON'T GO!!! Get ready for the fire hoses to come out if we don't clear out.
Get the soap and shampoo ready. It is about time to take a shower, don't you think?
Hope all goes well...
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How did it go? Any news?
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I don't want to go on line to play
We will occupy until the day that we die!
Sharpen the focus. Look at the fed as the master criminal sucking out all our tax money as repayment for the us bonds the fed buys. That is the main reason we are going broke... All the bailout money is money borrowed by selling us bonds.. The fed buys these criminal bonds and we go into debt. End the fed
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Most voted demands ( by 10/16/2011):
Money out of Politics. 44 votes
-Eliminate / Remove / Ban campaign contribution;
-Public funds all campaigns;
-Mandate Public fund for all political campaign / election nation wide;
-28th Amendment to the Constitution that establishes permanent public financing of all elections in this country.
Tax fairness. 26 votes
-Tax rates from the Clinton administration;
-Eliminate all tax loopholes;
-Get rid of tax breaks for the rich;
-Tax cut for middle class;
Reinstate Glass-Steagall Act. 19 votes
Abolish the Federal Reserve Board. 18 votes
-Abolish / Eliminate / End Federal Reserve Board;
-Audit Federal Reserve Board;
-Put the power to print money back to congress;
Affordable health care. 16 votes
-singer payer health care;
-public option;
Ban Lobbyist. 15 votes
End corporate personhood. 14 votes
Financial Reform. 13 votes
-Financial Reform;
-Financial Transaction Fee / tax;
Term limit. 12 votes -Have A Term Limit to Congress/Senate/Supreme Court;
-8 years maximum for any and all nationally elected servants;
-One 6 year term only for all representatives, senators and president;
End wars. 5 votes
Fully investigate & Prosecute the Wall Street criminal. 5 votes
Restore democracy. 5 votes
Regulation on College loan. 4 votes
Energy reform. 3 votes
beware King Bloomberg dont like disturbances in his city, he'll send his men in and they will crush you like ants
unwashed, shiftless hippies!!
HEY GUYS I loooooooooooove weed. LOL where's the free weed?! whoa dude, i love protesting! So much free weed.! Free weed for american dude, that's the answer, bro!
We are the 99%!!!!!!!!!!!! of weed smokers.
Bank of Canada (equivalent of the US Fed) head calls Occupy protests "entirely constructive.'" Obviously, he is not an American banker. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/bank-of-canada-head-calls-occupy-protests-entirely-constructive/article2202064/ "The Occupy Wall Street demonstrations and other expressions of frustration with the global economic and financial system highlight the need for policy makers to show they are serious about forcing change, Bank of Canada governor Mark Carney says."
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OK. The banks didn't get rich off of the meltdown. They were rich already. In fact, they nearly went under and some did. That's why they got the bailouts, to prevent them from failing (the fear being that more failures would completely destroy the economy). The people that got much richer were the hedge fund managers and their investors. The reason that they got rich is because they saw the flaws in the mortgage-backed securities(CDAs) game before anyone else. They saw that these CDAs were vastly overvalued and so they bet against them in the form of credit default swaps (think insurance). Here's how that worked: Let's say I'm one of the enlightened fund managers and you're another fund manager or investmment banker who believes that these CDAs are sound investments. I offer to lend you $1m for five years (though it was often way more than this) to invest however you please. But here's the catch; if the security in question fails during that time, you pay me $100m. Now normally you'd say "screw you, that's crazy" but because you haven't really done the research to know what these securities are actually compiled of (lots and lots of bad mortgages), you believe that the ratings agencies must be correct, so the perceived risk of that security failing is almost zero. The people who made money off of this would normally have provided a dampening effect on this reckless behavior and here's why: The rest of the market tends to take notice when the hotshots of the finance game (hedge fund managers) are placing billions in bets against a particular market tendency. They say "Hey, wait a sec. These super rich, super smart players may know womething we don't. Let's take another look at this thing." By the time that happned, though, the CDA machine was in overdrive and many were in too deep to get out. The rest of the market started to catch on that these assets were toxic and so there was increasingly fewer people willing to buy them. To make a long story a little longer: Once the defaults started to happen, there was a cascade effect throughout the market and the Wall Street smart guys who saw it coming got paid while the Wall Street sheople (we all know that stupid people climb the ladder in all walks of life) got caught holding the bag. Though the only real consequence for them was the possible loss of their jobs. They still got the incredible bonuses that they were guaranteed in their contracts. The rest is ashes.
OK. The banks didn't get rich off of the meltdown. They were rich already. In fact, they nearly went under and some did. That's why they got the bailouts, to prevent them from failing (the fear being that more failures would completely destroy the economy). The people that got much richer were the hedge fund managers and their investors. The reason that they got rich is because they saw the flaws in the mortgage-backed securities(CDAs) game before anyone else. They saw that these CDAs were vastly overvalued and so they bet against them in the form of credit default swaps (think insurance). Here's how that worked: Let's say I'm one of the enlightened fund managers and you're another fund manager or investmment banker who believes that these CDAs are sound investments. I offer to lend you $1m for five years (though it was often way more than this) to invest however you please. But here's the catch; if the security in question fails during that time, you pay me $100m. Now normally you'd say "screw you, that's crazy" but because you haven't really done the research to know what these securities are actually compiled of (lots and lots of bad mortgages), you believe that the ratings agencies must be correct, so the perceived risk of that security failing is almost zero. The people who made money off of this would normally have provided a dampening effect on this reckless behavior and here's why: The rest of the market tends to take notice when the hotshots of the finance game (hedge fund managers) are placing billions in bets against a particular market tendency. They say "Hey, wait a sec. These super rich, super smart players may know womething we don't. Let's take another look at this thing." By the time that happned, though, the CDA machine was in overdrive and many were in too deep to get out. The rest of the market started to catch on that these assets were toxic and so there was increasingly fewer people willing to buy them. To make a long story a little longer: Once the defaults started to happen, there was a cascade effect throughout the market and the Wall Street smart guys who saw it coming got paid while the Wall Street sheople (we all know that stupid people climb the ladder in all walks of life) got caught holding the bag. Though the only real consequence for them was the possible loss of their jobs. They still got the incredible bonuses that they were guaranteed in their contracts. The rest is ashes.
To those individuals that insist there is no comparison to OWS and the founding principals of the USA. Thomas Jefferson's Warning To America "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."
It started small and is growing larger by the minute. Occupywallst, what did you think I was talking about? Actitainment?
I wish Bloomberg cared to clean up the SMELL in the subway....interesting...how "caring he is about this park". Is This the same caring Bloomberg who laid off NY fire fighters??? What was his reason.???? ..to save the city money or the city was broke.?.. Interesting that a Billionare can't count PUBLIC fundings.... VERY cool you got BLoomberg to back down......wow...keep up the hard work...and thank you
We should create a NTC National Transitional Counsel .... kick all the politicians out and reset
I strongly urge you all to read and propose some of these ideas - they'd help you get what you want:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/ways-to-improve-and-equalize-the-economy
Good luck guys, a million miles away but with you all the way :D
Some people have a point ! The lot of you are acting like a bunch of whiners,tree huggers and modern day Unemployed Hippies! Etc! ! Its time time to roll up your sleeves,PROVE THEM ALL WRONG,and get to swinging AND THROWING,because just like in past protest ,they will laugh at you ,force you out and send you on your way like an unreasonable child being sent to his/her room
You are being LAUGHED AT,it is getting colder ,winter is coming,anduntill you do something besides standing around with signs AND whines,the police and Government authorities CAN AND WILL REMOVE YOU BY FORCE! Unless you fight back!
They willl not take anyone serious until PHYSICAL ACTION is put into place! We did win the freedom from the Brits in 1776 by protesting with flags,tents and sleeping bags! Until you are will to take a "PHYSICAL " Initiative!You will be mocked and laughed at as a bunch of spineless tree hugging whiners! Revolution requires physical acton and blood shed in order to get your point acroos!
Occupywallst activists rock.
Interesting how the word "Evict" is being used. Very appropriate because the people "occupying" or should I say "squatting" or "taking up residence" in a public park, are doing so illegally!. They have the right to assemble, to protest, but NOT TAKE UP RESIDENCE. It is time to EVICT them, and any resistance should be dealt with arrests and prosecutions.
I am a 56 father of two wonderful children. I went to college, paid my student loans, and even went on to earn graduate degrees. I have 22 years in as an educator in New Jersey and have been a school administrator since 1995. I have worked hard, sometimes two or more jobs to pay the bills. What's my point? I have been (quietly) predicting a revolution for some time now. I have asked my own high school and college aged children why don't young people rise up and demonstrate for their rights and they say they are afraid to be arrested. It is about time people across the world speak on behalf of THE MIDDLE CLASS. And despite what the corporate media would have us all believe there is a clear agenda. Banks, corporations, insurance companies, doctors, lawyers, high level executives and yes Wall Street getting rich on the backs of us all. I have watched as a silent American the decline of our great nation due to greed. During our economic boom we all did pretty well financially but as our salaries lost ground corporate greed raised costs in gas, food and all goods and services. This has to stop! In 2003 gas was a buck. Now it is 3-4 times that much. Did your salary increase that much? All other goods and services have gone up exponentially while income has not kept up at all. I lost all I had in home equity, as I had to take everything out just to pay college tuition for my child. Some American Dream! Since Reganomics I watched American manufacturing go to other countries that have become wealthy on the backs of middle class America while the bottom line for big business increases and jobs are lost. I do not support any political party but Republican policies are detrimental to the Middle class yet the sheep keep voting them in. This bully and creep Gov. Christie is a bloated big mouth who adds insult to injury by freezing middle class workers salaries and taxing us all with increases in deductions due to his party raping the pension formula. What is the matter with you sheep who buy into the anti-union rhetoric? Unions built America and you are destroying everything they did for us. I loved this country but this is not the America my father fought 2 wars for and I believed in. I am disgusted with, health care, fuel prices, party politics and corp. greed and you wimps in the media, the rebellion have a loud and sound agenda political hacks and greed. Pay attention as we will be another Egypt soon if we do not take care of our people.
I am a 56 father of two wonderful children. I went to college, paid my student loans, and even went on to earn graduate degrees. I have 22 years in as an educator in New Jersey and have been a school administrator since 1995. I have worked hard, sometimes two or more jobs to pay the bills. What's my point? I have been (quietly) predicting a revolution for some time now. I have asked my own high school and college aged children why don't young people rise up and demonstrate for their rights and they say they are afraid to be arrested. It is about time people across the world speak on behalf of THE MIDDLE CLASS. And despite what the corporate media would have us all believe there is a clear agenda. Banks, corporations, insurance companies, doctors, lawyers, high level executives and yes Wall Street getting rich on the backs of us all. I have watched as a silent American the decline of our great nation due to greed. During our economic boom we all did pretty well financially but as our salaries lost ground corporate greed raised costs in gas, food and all goods and services. This has to stop! In 2003 gas was a buck. Now it is 3-4 times that much. Did your salary increase that much? All other goods and services have gone up exponentially while income has not kept up at all. I lost all I had in home equity, as I had to take everything out just to pay college tuition for my child. Some American Dream! Since Reganomics I watched American manufacturing go to other countries that have become wealthy on the backs of middle class America while the bottom line for big business increases and jobs are lost. I do not support any political party but Republican policies are detrimental to the Middle class yet the sheep keep voting them in. This bully and creep Gov. Christie is a bloated big mouth who adds insult to injury by freezing middle class workers salaries and taxing us all with increases in deductions due to his party raping the pension formula. What is the matter with you sheep who buy into the anti-union rhetoric? Unions built America and you are destroying everything they did for us. I loved this country but this is not the America my father fought 2 wars for and I believed in. I am disgusted with, health care, fuel prices, party politics and corp. greed and you wimps in the media, the rebellion have a loud and sound agenda political hacks and greed. Pay attention as we will be another Egypt soon if we do not take care of our people.
In the biggest sense of the word meaning CHANGE this movement is standing for all corruption near an far towards all of humanity,everyone of us is a free entity,GOD DECREED THAT SO,for any other human to say different is a lie period.Love is what is missing everywhere,Love is what will restore all the broken pieces and that is what I know is behind all who are standing tall and it will and is winning as we speak,every disgusting system in place will fall and all will be rebuilt with LOVE!!!!! Oh by the way you cant charge for it and you surely can not cash it in....Has anyone ever considered life with no money or power trip system,I have and I know many probably have and again its on its way and its called HEAVEN,AMEN.
i feel sorry for all the protesters, that they are being used by the liberal left. the real problem is "BIG BROTHER" aka big goverment.....
not the 1% that pays forty percent of US income taxes.....
corperate america is just about choked to dead by government regulation....
The protest movement is a smokescreen sponsered by the democratic party to hide the failed policies of the current regimen......
The Federal Reserve is where the real dirt starts. They were formed in 1913 by a bunch of private corrupt bankers that run our government. Also the corporations and special interest groups need to go. O'bama's chief of staff is Bill Daley (former Banker of J.P. Morgan Chase Co). See how this works. IN both bail outs done by Bush and O'bama our tax payer dollars were given to these bankers to put in their off shore accounts. Also, don't let the likes of George Sorros group sway you the wrong way. Don't let them divide the people, like they did with forming the FAKE democrat and Republican parties. Stay strong and you are supported by thousands. Stay UNITED.
The Federal Reserve is where the real dirt starts. They were formed in 1913 by a bunch of private corrupt bankers that run our government. Also the corporations and special interest groups need to go. O'bama's chief of staff is Bill Daley (former Banker of J.P. Morgan Chase Co). See how this works. IN both bail outs done by Bush and O'bama our tax payer dollars were given to these bankers to put in their off shore accounts. Also, don't let the likes of George Sorros group sway you the wrong way. Don't let them divide the people, like they did with forming the FAKE democrat and Republican parties. Stay strong and you are supported by thousands. Stay UNITED.
michele bachmann 2012
they should take ALL the protesters line them up and SHOOT THEM, the same should be done to all gays, union members such as teachers unions, and anyone who votes democratic. all these people who despise and hate america and want to destory it and demoralize the culture, they should be taken out and eliminated to protect the youth of america and make this a country we can all be proud of once again. sevencard2003.blogspot.com
The city failed to evict the protesters. Yay.
The "cleanup" might have been postponed - but remember they will be back at some point, and the next time they'll probably come without advance notice. So be prepared and stick in there. Good luck to all of you!
I'm surprised that nobody seems to care about the evolution of this country, its people, or the standard of living that exists here, and that we're all moaning about wall street and corrupt government. I'm all for OWS and everything it stands for, but all I can see in the future should OWS succeed is a country that has returned to normal, plus a few band-aids here and there that will be offered to assuage the commoners.
What I don't understand is why no one is thinking about forcing government into supplying the country with solar power. Results would happen MUCH faster here to improve the quality of our lives than what we're going to get from our demands, if we get any of them to begin with.
If Obama used that 50 billion dollar bill on solar power, he could've wiped NY state off the electrical grid. The amount of money in saved monthly bills would have returned 1.2 billion dollars per month to the economy, essentially RETURNING the investment to the country within 4 years. Then, two more smaller states could be wiped off the grid until the country is once again #1 in the world like it used to be.
For us "POORS" that would mean we keep almost over 1/4 of our money. Minimum wage jobs would allow families to survive even if only one person has a job. It would allow poverty to save up money to purchase a car, not miss rent payments, and even pull their drug dealing kids off the streets and send them to community college. Think sending bankers to jail and cracking down on government will increase 99% of our take home income by 1/4? Never ever ever.
What else does it mean? Pollution is severely reduced, increasing air quality dramatically and potentially cutting loads of health problems. It provides better support for electric vehicles, which we can then support american JOBS with. And then? We have so much more money left over from not having to pay these bills that we can all be taxed more - which means better schools, hospitals, crime and fire reduction, better attention to city infrastructure and community services...
Think you can get all that by winning the case to send the bankers to jail? Not even close. Think our children's futures will be as bright? Not a chance.
Make solar power a DEMAND. It's here NOW, it creates JOBS, it improves our STANDARD OF LIVING (something that hasn't happened since the internet, or penicillin or the industrial revolution before that) and it would remove thousands of cubic tons of stress from american shoulders, allowing all of us to sleep a little better at night permanently. (Oh, and it also bites deeply into those wall street traders who continue to speculate on oil, as well as the arabic 1%, can't forget about THEM.)
But keep bickering about whether or not the poors or the rich or government this or that... we'll never receive the kind of benefit nationwide solar power would give us as a people of all walks of life in this generation or the next.
Revolution? Good. Do something with it. I agree with and support OWS and its goals, but it's still not enough.
We are facing a critical test where the forces of division and even extremism threaten to undermine the message of unification of the 99% and creation of a new aspirational path forward. To the naysayers like ‘darkhound’, basically a provocateur, I think we all know retail banking is important and of course FDIC and debit backing are paramount to maintaining trust and solvency in banking.
BUT, the Wall Street investment bailout to me is a fundamentally different animal. Since when does casino-style extremely high-risk lending with all sorts of “legal” but questionable exotic lending instruments deserve a get-out-of-jail-free write down on the public dime? Just as I think there should be joint culpability of homeowners that were financially irresponsible as well as the predatory sub-prime lenders that used deceptive practices and buried bad loans in a maze of bundled and repackaged creative financial maneuvers, I think the lenders should also bear some financial burden for high-reward/high-risk investing.
The equity question here is at the core of the our American financial system that is premised on playing by the rules: why were homeowners held to the fire under the “buyer beware” principle and left out to dry while the wealthiest of banks that displayed unprecedented irresponsible financial gambling essentially exonerated and the given the message “the house will always win”? It is morally reprehensible, undermines trust in our financial system by eroding responsibility and consequences, and even undermines the rule of law: who else gets to call a “game re-do” at the 11th inning and rewrite the rule book?
Don’t let the naysayers distract us! The factual and ethical arguments of the 99%ers are too compelling to fail.
the bloomburglar is coming for your camping equipment
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We LOVE #OWS!!!! Way 2 go, >> American Heroes and Patriots <<. Props for prevailing on the "cleaning/eviction" ploy. Maybe Mayor Michael Billionaireberg needs to clean the putrid scum that oozes from wall street every fucking day and permeates this society [only for a few more months though...]. Wish we could be there, but we called 311 (on the new your #) and told them we would personally get our crew and drive to NYC to occupy if they attempt to crush the 1st Amendment. THE WHOLE >>REAL<< AMERICAN COUNTRY AND THE WORLD IS BEHIND YOU!!!!! We love YOU x 1,000,000!!
From a 58 Year old Patriot and former paine webber broker in St. Augustine FL, Jim Morrison
TOO MANY PEOPLE 99% want a DEMOCRACY not this fascist tyranny which will now have a PSYCHOPATHIC BREAKDOWN as it attempts to re-assert its authority.
@ THIS BOARD: Please IGNORE this loser >>BANKER TROLL<< named "darkhound" or better said: "darkhoundSCUM." Obviously he is a rep/proxy/agent for the 1%. When we respond to his infuriating, imbecilic posts, he successfully diverts us from talking about the REVOLUTION that 100% terrifies darkscum and his vile kind. 86 (i.e. ignore) @ darkhoundscum, fellow PATRIOTS!
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/256243-brookfield-letter-to-kelly.html#document/p1 read the letter folks.
Since when has the city of New York been SO concerned about cleanliness? They're clearly under pressure to make occupywallst disappear...
Yo, darkhound! I'm grinning as I listen for the gnashing of your teeth.
Way to go OWS! The powers-that-be are befuddled by gumption. On to the 15th.
love it!
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WE WHO BELIEVE IN FREEDOM CANNOT REST UNTIL IT COMES. the freemason thugs are coming. push them into a psychopathic breakdown. aluta continua. you are the ONE what it's all about. let the spotlight shine on you!
The book After Capitalism, by David Schweickart, outlines capitalism as an economic model and proposes an alternative economic model: Economic Democracy. It is the answer to "what is the alternative then?" It is sound and possible. The movement of Occupy Wallstreet should adopt this theory as their guide and unite themselves under one movement and goal to end global hegemony and replace the corrupt exploitative capitalist regime with a new market based on humanistic, democratic principles.
this is a question. i'm reading that the black/hispanic peoples are the most affected by the loss of employment,living standard. etc.etc. are they a part of this ?
After several weeks of peaceful protests, we have seen the result, if any. We were herded along the sidewalks like cattle going to the slaughter house. We were beaten, assaulted and brutalised by the police. That's all that had happened. We have not brought about any change, anywhere.
Throughout history, which revolution was won without a fight? Look back at the French, Russian, Chinese, Tunisian, Egyptian, Libyan and last but not least, our own American, Revolution. Did they come about through peaceful protests? Enough of protests. Its time to Rise Up and Fight. May The Force be with you.
This idea is not meant in any disrespect to anyone. I only propose it to save our stand in the park and beyond. Since there could be action by the cops for arrests, put the bigbodies around the perimeter to sit down locked in arms. That way if the police begin arresting, they would have to handle a heavy man or woman.
Plus the cops wouldn't be abe to fit as many protestors in their Paddy Wagons.
numbers are crucial, i hope dozens of thousands gather. this is heroic.
I called NYC 311hotline and have documented that I'm upset about what the mayor plans about the mayors sneaky tactics against OWS. Also not to waste taxpayers money on OT for the cops to babysitter the PEACEFUL protestors by just watching them. There's more; because of the large crowd, allow portable toilets on a side sreet
I have called! - they do not distinguish between callers as to your location. This is outrageous and so frustrating. Freedom of assembly!!
I called NYC and told them about the 1st amendment and the 30 day rule change and then I told the president he will never get my vote again.
I'll be out tomorrow for sure.
Viva OWS!
Hey how do you guys like this? "We ask for a true commitment, easily verifiable by the people via true transparency, that the Federal Government will cease and desist all violations of Amendment X of the Constitution and by proxy, cease and desist from all violations that have occurred as a result of violating Amendment X. We believe that all breaches of the Constitution can be traced back to the wholesale violation of Amendment X, and thus Amendment X is the crux of the problem. Stop violating it, and the forced corrections of the other violations must soon follow. Thus, at its core, this is our main grievance. All other issues, problems and concerns that we have individually and collectively spring from this and on this we can all agree. On this concern we are United regardless of our personal stances on other issues."
Thoughts are with you. Sincerest gratitude from Oklahoma (four cities here have peaceful protests planned Saturday) for starting this. So sad that this great country has sunk into such a divide between corporation row and main street. This movement, which you started, gives me great hope. Thank you for standing strong. Stay safe.
hey guys, try to look more like madison and less like seattle
A funny idea>Occupy private public park at the corner of 5th ave & 79th Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg’s town house at 17 East 79th Street is the epitome of Upper East Side elegance: Source>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/25/nyregion/25bloomberg.html
It's the message and what we stand for that matters, period. You have to look at it objectively, intelligently and TAKE NO PRISONERS. The park is private property, this was inevitable. Stay together and grow! Don't use this as an excuse for any reason. Show no weakness. Learn from it and move forward. We are the 99%, we cannot be silenced.
Those before you organized en mass without the use of computers, the internet or cellphones and they changed the world. More than once. We have tools they never dreamed of. Use them and use them well. Support only those who share your values. Use your power to its full potential. We will change the world.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Organize-to-Mobilize/134037350029186?sk=info
https://www.facebook.com/5centsaday
October 15th!
We hope you be successful in your activity. Certainly God helps you.
Forget about all these non-violent tactics. It makes you people look like rabbits. And this encourage the enforcers to be more brutal towards you. Knowing that you will not fight back will embolden the enforcers. You will suffer the more for it. Instead, I suggest this. When the moment arrives, each one of you should douse yourself with gasoline and hold a lighter ready. You don't have to actually do it but let it be known that if a policeman were to arrest you, you would hold on to him in a tight embrace and ignite the lighter. If you are not ready to sacrifice yourself for a cause, don't start it, don't get involve in it.
Congrats OWS (and solidarity from Oregon/California!)
Whatever happens tomorrow, it can only grow public sympathy for the cause! (and make Bloomberg look like a jerk).
Pocatello, is in support. Be Strong!
I wrote to Bloomburg... I am preparing to march in Victoria, BC. I am with you in spirit, so proud of my brothers and sisters in NYC! Don't let the movement fracture into petty infighting... We are all humans, there is enough for everyone, and if we work with love in our hearts we can create a better world. Stand together!
Good luck this morning I have done my best to spread the word and called and emailed everyone I can think of. I am with you in thought and spirit. You all are amazing.
strength and honor Salute to all you American hero's
Stay focused and stay strong OWS. The world is watching. Please be safe.
Start setting up camp at another park as well. This is, indeed, a sign that you are doing something right. If this gets ugly, it will only inspire more people to participate. The media claims that there is no clear vision to these demonstrations, but it seems pretty clear: the banks and the finance industry that is a burden on everyone's back needs to be held accountable. This is an industry that fails to abide by the law and has done so each and every time that it gets a taste, or a buffet in this case, of power. Mayor Bloomberg aims to make NYC a place that caters to these egomaniacs and this is intolerable. The brave demonstrators are the fourth branch of government, when all the others have failed. To those disingenuous and incredible people who would denigrate the demonstrators as though they represented "failure" and they are envious of the "success" of others, you are full of shit through and through. These demonstrations are in protest of the failure of the finance industry that has been rewarded for its failure, while the least powerful and least fortunate are forced to pay the price.
Pouring rain here in Manhattan. Guess it's the rinse cycle for all that bleach!
It's a park, not a campground for unemployed hippies. The park rules (drafted long ago before this protest) are clear about prohibited activities. Police are kicking the miscreants out in the morning. Good riddance. No one is above the law.
OCCUPY GOLDMAN ! 200 West Street : Flash mob, 8am
OCCUPY GOLDMAN ! 200 West Street : Flash mob, 8am
From ARGENTINA, we support you! GO people!!
Stay brothers and sisters!!!! This is an OCCUPATION not a visit.
Remain non-violent at all costs. I live in the suburbs and people in the suburbs are afraid to go down to OWS because they think it is dangerous. I brought my teenage daughter down on Monday and we tried to get others to come with us but they wouldn't. We had an absolute blast! You guys are so amazing. I felt so proud to be able to show my child what America is really about. Please keep it non-violent. Find another park if you have to. People will stay away if it gets violent and these are just the very people OWS needs.
This may sound really weird, but I had an idea when they were going to evict Occupy Atlanta. Would it be possible for protesters to circle around a tree and handcuff themselves to each other? Give all the keys to one person and send them off-site so the keys can't be confiscated, and that person can return when the threat is over? I know the cops could break the cuffs, but it would certainly take them longer to clear the park.
Let's see, I have 904,905,906,and with this 907, but You won't see them this way, and if you do, look through the other 900 for my occupy DC message...
Mayor Bloomberg should be concerned with his corrupt NY police department instead of violating the Wall Street protesters' First Amendment Rights. Also, Billionaire Bloomberg needs to pay his fair share of taxes and stop riding on the backs of the 99%.
Comments are being edited...Message matters more than opinion... Welcome to Socialism!
We're all with you in spirit! Stay safe and peaceful and strong!
Peaceful will be hard with the expected police brutality, and the fear the police will bring but you can do it!! We love you!
You can shut me down, but I have all night to make comments while you all are cleaning up your S*%#
You're all ridiculous for fighting and debating on this forum right now. This is the moment, people.
THE REVOLUTION IS NOT A SOUND BITE.
If we don't give a crap about each other, then why the F should they?
Maybe it should be a permitted protest
what exactly does tonight/early morning hours look like?
Also, on the news at eleven, they announced that Bloomberg's "live-in girlfriend" sits on the board of the corporation that owns Zucotti Park (Liberty Square). How convenient for him.
I called and the 311 operator said they were getting a lot of calls. Thanks to all of you who are sacrificing to stand up for the 99%. Blessed be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WOGu-LVxIM
Support and Solidarity from Germany Dont give up! I visited OWS last week and was impressed from you guys, who are doing a great job. That the mayor tries to chase you away, means that he is real pissed of from the peaceful demonstrationj. Now he is trying it with fragile excuses. Dont give up. Telling the world, that only 1 % in the world has the money and the power, but the 99% can change something, if we stick together. And that the mayor is pissed off of you guys, can mean that the Wall Street manager put him under pressue and that he gets money from the Wall Street mafia.
You have my support ....... Stand up for a better world and less corruption in the world.
There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part; you can't even passively take part, and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all! Mario Savio, Berkeley, 1964
You can send a text message to Mayor Bloomberg by texting your message to 311-692. Keep your messages short and polite. Let Bloomberg know this attack on free speech will not be tolerated.
Thursday, October 13, 2011Occupy Wall Street Solution--Demand Prosecution of Criminal Bankers The solution to the problems that are troubling the protestors on Wall Street is somewhat simple. If the protestors would simply begin to make a demand that the top 100 individuals in the banking industry who are the most responsible for our economic collapse to be held accountable with criminal indictments, hard core jail time and the siezing of all the assets they gained, then the Occupy Wallstreet Protest would become a Movement and be joined by new masses of Americans who deserve this justice anyway. But mainly this simple demand by the group would not only directly lead to the real solution to what is causing the protests in the first place, but also this new demand woulf unify the group and country by offering the necessaary positive elements that are actually tangible enough so that the country could begin to rightfully concede to the protestors and begin correcting the cause of the entire problem. It would also demand a new level of attention and respect from leades across the country. This demand offers the following tangible elements that are currently missing allowing the danger of the groups true cause to be potentially hi-jacked by some liberal organization with another wave of its own deception. Thes positive tangible elements are as follows: the demand could be easily communicated, be understood by the masses and the press, be easily agreed upon by most all Americans both currently inside and outside the group, be realistically achievable by our current legals system, be considered extremely reasonable in the eyes of most every American and most importantly, be very effective not just as a means of justice we all deserve but as highly aguaranteed future deterent from this type or any similar type illegal, fraudulant activity by leaers of our banking institutions--organizations that must be honest and reputible for us to survive as secure, prosperous country. Oh yes, there is one more positive element this simple demand would also offer. That would be what used to be called old fashioned FAIRNESS. Personally, it broke my heart to find out in 2009 that these criminal bankers were not only going to avoid any criminal prosecution, but also be allowed to keep there ill-gained riches as a result of their criminal behavior. Their level of gain was enough to bribe and sway all legal ends that may have offered the public any legal justice. These criminals made big big big bucks. Only continued, massive protests co\an bring this to a reality. If OCCUPY WALL STREET would demand the top 100 criminal bankers who perpetrated their fraud and gained as a result causing this incredible mess, then I would join in myself with passion and determination for results! This demand would encourage masses of conservatives and liberals alike to join the social movement, and for good reason! Im believe this would solve the greatest part of the whole problem and if not, it would certainly serve as a fantastic place to start! WE THE PEOPLE!
I cannot believe this, though I have my disagreements with some members in the forums, I truly believe that you guys and gals are "in the right" From everything I have seen, read and heard you have kept the park remarkably clean and sanitized, have respected your neighbors and basically complied with every regulation going. Even the fire marshals of the city had no cause to complain. I suspect that this is partially driven by the OWS "cleanup" in Boston. However just like that cleanup operation, they are walking on very unsteady ground. By kicking you out they violating your constitutional rights for freedom of assembly, and freedom for petition (first amendment). It also seems to go against the forth amendment (Fourth Amendment: guards against searches, arrests, and seizures of property without a specific warrant or a "probable cause" to believe a crime has been committed. Some rights to privacy have been inferred from this amendment and others by the Supreme Court.) As they seem to have no probably cause.
regarding new rules in the "park" please try trading tents for the following: Umbrellas (with slogans on them) Picnic Baskets (with slogans on them) Picnic Blankets (with slogans on them) Canvas director's chairs (with slogans on them) Rotate shifts if you have to. Good idea to have a sleep. Good discourse requires an alert mind. No need to protest Wall Street Greed at Night Keep Liberty Plaza full of "free speech" daily and they can't stop posters under "free speech" laws. Respect Private/Public Space, or you will lose the moral high ground
We need to raise money for a permanent place to stay overnight. Let the park be the meeting area but there needs to be a headquarters where people don't have to worry about be removed.
In the late 1980s ActUp during rush hour on a red light crossed westside highway in a line carrying a thick gauge chain across the road - the chain was anchored by a padlock on the side they started from and when they got to the other side they anchored the chain there also. They handcuffed themselves to the chain and had an immovable human traffic block. You could have teams that do this all over the city for a distraction.
Guys, avoid UNNECESSARY arrests and confrontation. This will just lead to more bad press, worsening an already "mob"-esque reputation. You can EASILY solve this by moving to publicly owned Bryant Park. If they try to force you from there, THEN you confront because THAT'S unreasonable. This is privately owned, the company can do as it pleases. I realize there are some constitutional issues here but NOW is not the time to fight this. WE NEED PEOPLE for October 15th, we can't afford to have so many NYC protesters in jail for this day!
PLEASE. Help them clean the park and then just move to Bryant Park. We CANNOT afford this!
More propaganda. OWS is hoping for a mass arrest and pretty much guaranteeing it if they go through with blocking off the park. More arrests = more media attention. DONT YOU GET IT? They say they are committed to keeping the park safe and clean, yet they've done nothing to make the park clean until now. I agree with the idea of the protests and commend you on keeping it peaceful but in all realness you're breaking laws and it's been Bloomberg and Kelly who've let you stay without considerable harassment. Get organized, maybe use the $150,000 you have to rent some damn space for all you brethren!
someone with a copy of the pamphlet with the "rules" should copy it with "rules" for corporations, and start handing it out to the businesspeople in the area.
oh, and beware of provocateurs tomorrow. there may be some in the crowd looking to provoke violence and destruction and thereby make the movement look bad. i hope there is a strategy to deal with this, it is a very common tactic in these circumstances.
"we know where the real dirt is: billionaire bloomberg's beholden to bankers"
love this! beautiful chant.... sing it loud :)
Freedom of Speech, Press, Religion and Petition
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
This is it guys. Stand strong. Stay true to your noble principles. The world is watching you!
Kettle the police! Wedge into their line!
Solidarity from Occupy Ottawa, Canada. Be safe tomorrow. Be at peace because you are doing right.
God bless. Be safe guys/gals.
God bless. Be safe guys/gals.
I found this on Facebook comments :::Ronald Wolf::" but to help Occupy Wall Street tomorrow -it is a Jewish holliday of Sukkat of which people live outdoors so if they try to close it down It is not allowing Religious freedoms!"
Bloomberg needs to stop wasting tax payers $ on police force watching peaceful demonstrators. He should focus on the REAL CRIMES in the street of NYC. He should focus more on providing portapotties and dumpsters for trash.
This is going to be a long fight, but we will win at the end. PATIENCE.
Bloomberg needs to stop wasting tax payers $ on police force watching peaceful demonstrators. He should focus on the REAL CRIMES in the street of NYC. He should focus more on providing portapotties and dumpsters for trash.
This is going to be a long fight, but we will win at the end. PATIENCE.
he will just send his cronies in.. the nypd
Is it really necessary to stay over night?? Can't we still get our point across if we come back every morning?
note to kelly and bloomberg: allow occupation of wallstreet by people who are motivated to have jobs. support higher taxes for the rich. do not allow corporations to control our lives and keep us from securing jobs. these people are telling the truth and going to the streets to show support for america. listen: warren buffet is right!
We just made a call to NYC. Stay Strong...Stay peaceful and then the truth will show itself on its own. We're all in this Together... You have the Right to Resist! The People of the U.S.'s current need takes precedence over Private Property.
In Spirit with OWS from Detroit.
This Is America NOT China!! We have the RIGHT to ASSEMBLE !!
We are definitely doing the right thing! Keep it up guys! Tidy up the park to the point where it looks like Danny Tanner's house :-) I just filed a complaint with the mayor through 311 (I was on hold for quite a while so hopefully others are calling in too) and explained that this is a complete infringement on our right to assemble. The bottom line is our commitment to the cause, WE SHALL OVERCOME!!!
have signed petitions, called the mayors office, posted and re-posted everything i can think of, will be up late calling NY.. sending hope, love and positive thoughts in your direction. you have started/created a beautiful movement, the entire nation is watching you, looking to you to see what to do next. i for one have complete faith in you New York <3
Are you tired of the 'Occupy Wall Street' trend? Want to make a real difference? Here's how: http://bit.ly/ngXOKV
If anyone finds contact info for "Brookfield Properties", the owner of Zucotti Park, PLEASE make it available. While there is a petition to Mayor Bloomberg, about the plan to clear out the park to allow for "cleaning", I think it would be far more effective to overwhelm Brookfield Properties with our outrage over it.
Brookfield Properties is the one demanding the clear-out by NYPD, and imposing the rules that threaten to break up the Occupy Wall Street gathering. Bloomberg can argue his hands are tied, but Brookfield Properties can back down!
Fostering an open communication environment is important to us. We encourage you to share with us your questions, comments or ideas on any area of Brookfield's operations. Thank you for visiting our web site and taking the time to contact us.
that is the canadian companys mission statement basicaly send them messessages to for the love of god
http://www.brookfield.com/content/corporate/contact_us-27.html
I and many many other canadians have already started it its a total hypocricy if they allow this to happen
Comrades:
Bloomberg and his goons neglect the nature of social movements; tomorrow’s dismantling of OWS, will push the re-structuring of the movement into a more complex and effective one. With that said, let's fall if we have to, and be equally prepared to rise with preponderous strength!
Fostering an open communication environment is important to us. We encourage you to share with us your questions, comments or ideas on any area of Brookfield's operations. Thank you for visiting our web site and taking the time to contact us.
that is the canadian companys mission statement basicaly send them messessages to for the love of god
http://www.brookfield.com/content/corporate/contact_us-27.html
I and many many other canadians have already started it its a total hypocricy if they allow this to happen
In Solidarity from DC following is the message that I sent to the office of Bloomberg: To all who are in power to make a conscious decision regarding the eviction of the Occupy Wall Street Movement from the park that has been peacefully occupied since September 17th in NY: I reject the characterization of everyone who supports this movement as "hippie, jobless, bust-outs". I earn a good paycheck and pay my taxes and I SUPPORT THIS MOVEMENT. I also respect the right of each individual, regardless of their age, race, religion, sexual orientation, job status, etc. etc. to voice their own opinion based on their own experience. While there has been a huge campaign in the US to perpetuate an anti-bullying campaign and to create awareness of its effects on our children...please know that the world is watching as you decide how to treat those that have chosen to assert their constitutional rights in a peaceful manner. PLEASE DON'T BE THE BULLIES IN THIS SITUATION! I have supported the Occupy DC movement peacefully...I have taken part in a peaceful march, have provided food for those occupying our own parks and I will continue in a peaceful manner. Please discard the "just because I can" power stance and realize that the people that you are making a conscious choice to disregard will not go away...we are human beings and deserve your respect! You may not agree with every message but PLEASE AGREE WITH THE RIGHT TO EXPRESS DIVERSE OPINIONS by our very diverse population...otherwise our country is truly doomed. You are human beings also! Please allow that human to human consciousness re-emerge in spite of insightful messages that you may have received in response to the decision which was announced earlier. This can be resolved peacefully... and YOU have the power to see that outcome through.
In Solidarity from DC following is the message that I sent to the office of Bloomberg: To all who are in power to make a conscious decision regarding the eviction of the Occupy Wall Street Movement from the park that has been peacefully occupied since September 17th in NY: I reject the characterization of everyone who supports this movement as "hippie, jobless, bust-outs". I earn a good paycheck and pay my taxes and I SUPPORT THIS MOVEMENT. I also respect the right of each individual, regardless of their age, race, religion, sexual orientation, job status, etc. etc. to voice their own opinion based on their own experience. While there has been a huge campaign in the US to perpetuate an anti-bullying campaign and to create awareness of its effects on our children...please know that the world is watching as you decide how to treat those that have chosen to assert their constitutional rights in a peaceful manner. PLEASE DON'T BE THE BULLIES IN THIS SITUATION! I have supported the Occupy DC movement peacefully...I have taken part in a peaceful march, have provided food for those occupying our own parks and I will continue in a peaceful manner. Please discard the "just because I can" power stance and realize that the people that you are making a conscious choice to disregard will not go away...we are human beings and deserve your respect! You may not agree with every message but PLEASE AGREE WITH THE RIGHT TO EXPRESS DIVERSE OPINIONS by our very diverse population...otherwise our country is truly doomed. You are human beings also! Please allow that human to human consciousness re-emerge in spite of insightful messages that you may have received in response to the decision which was announced earlier. This can be resolved peacefully... and YOU have the power to see that outcome through.
on my way downtown hope you are too see you saturday!! can't get through to nyc.gov to file complaint online
we are being distracted by the constant barrage of language, both from the enemy and that coming from our own angry and frustrated voices. we repeat their words, and then we argue, and now we are making rules, edicts as one member called some of them. we cannot appease them with niceties. they do not share our interpretation of the first amendment, and they will not be made to do anything. The day of outrage having much effect on them is long past. And they know every single thing we are saying. They know all about our strategies. Do Global Guerrillas make any sense? Does their strategy telegraph moves to the enemy?
many of us are completely disenfranchised U.S. citizens. we may vote, but we wind up having to choose between kerry and obama--dukakis and bush--romney and obama's PACs. we need our own candidate, and we have to elect a real leader. either that, or totally change the system. the system Works--for "most of the American people." Although many of them are frightened and desperate to merely hold on to what they have--even as what they have dwindles daily with the price or gas and food and the constant monetary roulette of the cor and the gov, they are still earning a living, and not sleeping on the sidewalks.
please, do not die or be trampled for this sorry slab of concrete. there is a time to challenge, a time to fight, and also a time to fall back and build real solidarity and togetherness on the site--not by rules and internal security, but by clearly articulated objectives and through decisive action. this movement does have leaders, on-site leaders. you all know how to attend, listen, learn, and act in harmony with one another. you do it every day in school, on the train, at home, and at work. now, this is our work.
the mainstream society has no real leaders. it has advantage takers, and it has their servants, and it has their victims. money will not solve any of this at all. please stop calling each other dicks, and start real dialogue, and then stand together as braves and as leaders.
i do agree it is time for some peace, and even some quiet. Ghandi was not loud; neither was Thoreau. Washington held a faltering army together at Valley Forge. Think about the winter to come. There are much larger issues at hand that getting permission to live in tents that will freely stand on concrete.
Power and money are the same as air to the enemy. Their absurd need for monopoly and control can and will be their downfall. One thing they do have, though, is focus. And if we do not focus quickly, and concentrate on freedom from their restrictions and from their greed and from the misery it causes, we will only fall further under its now very large wheels.
We have to create our own opportunities, and build our own good lives from them. Opportunity was once virtually unlimited in this land of the free. At this moment, Opportunity for far too many of us is at best a Rumor.
I remember hearing a story when the G20 was in Pittbsurgh, about a face off between police and gays in san francisco back in the day. they were facing eachother, the police and the gay activists. You could cut the tension with a knife. And nobody was violent. The police were waiting for someone to do something otherthan stand ground but the gay activists continued to stand ground with the calm belief in the importance of asserting the right to be there. Eventually, the police backed down. Hope there is similar types of strength and power lurking in the air of nyc this evening. much love.
I think the biggest thing people should remember is that the only crime that will be happening in NYC is that of the cops harassing and arresting American's for exercising their constitutional rights.
Vigilance : the quality or state of being vigilant
Quote from the Dictionary "Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom"
Those AT OCW are being vigilant for the rest of us, we should all support them.
Seriously they really do need to clean out that concrete park. After 4 wks of people living in there constantly, it is unhealthy and poses a threat to those who reside in neighboring areas. Protesters need to GET OUT and let them clean it up.
Bloomberg is not being a meanie, he has a duty to the citizens of NYC. He has been very tolerant of the protests in a very congested city area. NY is a city of EIGHT MILLION ONE HUNDRED SEVENTY EIGHT THOUSAND PEOPLE. 8,175,133 Not small, mind you. If you don't live there, you have no idea how crowded that is and how many people per square inch. Sanitation is a MUST in a city like this.
What can be objected to are the 'new rules' that the park has created that make it not an option for the protesters to return. The p rotesters need to leave for their health and well being as well as that of the neighboring residents who are paying HUGE rents for the privilege of living in Manhattan.
The protesters need to get creative, find another park and then shelter for the other 6 hours. (as suggested by someone here) They will probably sleep better and be able to hold out longer with a shelter in which to sleep.
Please consider Sun Tzu Art of War Strategies - in your pursuit of trying to keep your occupation of Wall Street alive,but do so peacefully. For tommorrow, " Turn your opponents strengths into their weakness"
You guys are so much smarter than Bloomberg and the police state there and have truth and morale clarity on your side. Use your intellect to defeat your enemy who has brute strength and force.
Here are some other thoughts. God Bless you and pull of this strategy peacefully.
To find and exploit an enemy's weakness requires a deep understanding of their leaders' strategy, capabilities, thoughts, and desires and a similar depth of knowledge of one's own strengths and weaknesses. It is critical to study the minds of the opposing generals and understand how they will react to one's moves. It is also important to understand the environment and terrain which will be contested.
God bless all of you there on the streets. I wish i was there to help. I hope no one gets hurt, I hope it doesn't turn violent. Godspeed.
leave the park peacefully tomorrow, but as you leave tell the news outlets that occupy wall street has received the message from the powers that be that they are not listening. then announce the creation of occupy or government. a web site that breaks down the states and the seats up for reelection, then each state faction deiced candidates for said state, and run a low budget campaign, focusing on a party of the people getting the word out about us and or candidates with youtube and social media, as well as news coverage. no TV adds, and no corporate donations for this party to ensure purity. we run under the ideals that the other two puppet party's are no longer serving the voters interests, and explain or party is full of true people not politicians. Like they say if you want something done right... this country needs a reformat so to speak, we need to get rid of all the party politicians and get real representatives of the people back in. I am just saying you have all these people behind the movement now and the coverage tomorrow would be a huge forum to announce an idea like that and get it in all American heads. then get it started get in office and make those changes we all know we need and want.
We will be there tomorrow night to occupy and march Saturday-Sunday. Keep the faith. Be safe.
Surely Bloomberg doesn't think that using force and violence to drive people from the park would stop a movement like this! It would be another Tompkins Square, and he would have to permanently garrison the park to prevent people from returning. Carrying this further, he would have to do the same in ALL parks, which would reduce police coverage protecting targets elsewhere.
There is one more thing for Bloomberg to consider: The use of state violence to forcibly suppress peaceful protest has given birth to many insurgencies throughout history. It's one thing to fight the people you can see, quite another to fight shadows that strike without warning and disappear before you can respond. Even the escalating war between Anonymous and the US government that started over the Bradley Manning/Wikiieaks case is an example of this.
There are enough people nationally in the occupy movements to build a movement capable not only of flashmobs that block streets and disperse, but of simultanious protests at large numbers of the homes of the wealthy, for instance. Just imagine the impact of every CEO and money-grubbing corporate executive in town being awoken at 45 minute intervals by roving bands of bullhorn and air-horn wielding hit-and-run protesters who strike in the dark and don't linger for the cops. Their homes will be hard to protect if all the cops are busy garrisoning every park in the city.
Meanwhile, Bloomberg might want to avoid being the focus of a nationwide campaign funded by labor to remove him from office. Remember what the NRA did to politiicans that voted for the 1994 gun control law? Well, in a few months the national and global Occupy movement may have the power to do the same to that fascist punk Bloomberg!
If Bloomberg proceeds with this eviction in the face of determined, locked-down defenders, he will open himself to an "every tool in the toolbox" response against both his continuance in office and against the continuance in business of all his campaign contributors. If Bloomberg wants to know how bad this can get, he should ask the executives of anyone involved with Huntingdon Life Sciences what all-out war with protesters is really like!
Perhaps you can negotiate with the owner to "rent" the property, and peripheral services such as portable toilets, routine clean-up etc. We should avoid a violent confrontation, which I feel things could snowball into. Consider the provocateurs. This movement is the best thing to happen in our country since the social movements in the 60's, I fear it could "blow-up". We need this movement to evolve to another level where we can demand our needs are addressed in Congress. Good luck to my brothers and sisters on the line.
When you phone Bloomberg's office, make sure you tell him that if we are not allowed to exercise our right to free speech in the park, we will exercise it in the form of a campaign against his reelection!
"The purpose of ... direct action is to create a situation so crisis-packed that it will inevitably open the door to negotiation" Martin Luther King.
Do not give in. Create the situation King describes.
Hi we congratulate and appreciate you all that how frighten you have made the 1% outdated the rich and the capitalists. The attempt to close the park is the expression of their frustration and desparassion. How weak the rulers are feeling across the USA such a stupid and provocative actions of capitalists will definetly win more sympathy for the movement . we strongly condemn the atrocities of the rich exposed through their machinery (the police department) and demand the immediate release of the arrest peacfull protesters.
"Bloomberg says that the park will be open for public usage" <-- Tell him ok...we're using the park....
Abandon the park at 11 leave them nothing to clean its the ultimate show of unity and force .... show up at wall street as tourists and VOICE UP .... That would make the adminstartion look like the fools they really are
Abandon the park at 11 leave them nothing to clean its the ultimate show of unity and force .... show up at wall street as tourists and VOICE UP .... That would make the adminstartion look like the fools they really are
Please consider Sun Tzu Art of War Strategies in your pursuit for justice but do so peacefully. " Turn your opponents strenghs into their weakness"
You guys are so much smarter and have truth and morale clarityon your side. Use your intellect to defeat your enemy who has brute strenth and force.
Here are some other thoughts. God Bless you and pull ofthis strategy peacefully.
To find and exploit an enemy's weakness requires a deep understanding of their leaders' strategy, capabilities, thoughts, and desires and a similar depth of knowledge of one's own strengths and weaknesses. It is critical to study the minds of the opposing generals and understand how they will react to one's moves. It is also important to understand the environment and terrain which will be contested.
In Canada we have seen so many CEOs , come in and cut and slash jobs . Asking workers to take pay cuts and for new workers , lower pay with no benifits. Just to keep our jobs.Then after all there cuts and savings ,leave with there big bonuses. I have had enough,stand up, and stand tall. We are the pepole , we are strong in #s judment day has arived, pay back is coming ! We will not let you destroy what we worked so hard for !
In Canada we have seen so many CEOs , come in and cut and slash jobs . Asking workers to take pay cuts and for new workers , lower pay with no benifits. Just to keep our jobs.Then after all there cuts and savings ,leave with there big bonuses. I have had enough,stand up, and stand tall. We are the pepole , we are strong in #s judment day has arived, pay back is coming ! We will not let you destroy what we worked so hard for !
Solidarity! You guys are incredible. I am almost tempted to take a bus to NYC tonight (7 hours from where I live). I don't have anything to offer in terms of strategy or tactics, just my good wishes. Stay strong and stay safe.
Bloomberg is an ass, whatever happens this will make him look very bad. His myopia is typical of his class. At least Warren Buffet can see the writing on the wall.
All of us here at Zuccotti need to realize what we've done to the park-i mean-look around you. Ive witnessed many things that break the park rulesLets get real. Allow them to clean up their park-they own it and we are trashing it. Be honest!
All of us here at Zuccotti need to realize what we've done to the park-i mean-look around you. Ive witnessed many things that break the park rulesLets get real. Allow them to clean up their park-they own it and we are trashing it. Be honest!
Keep the fight going. We live in Montreal, but we will be there next Saturday. By using the blueprint of the the Arab spring, they cannot possibly publically utilize force that THEY condemned those governments for using. Just don't retaliate. The only way to win this, is to remain passive. Rush, Cantor, et al are drooling for the opportunity to prove that we are the thugs. Stay calm. We all support u, even if we can't be there yet. But we will be going to the one in Montreal Saturday. Stay safe.
I hope you all don't get thrown out, but just in case you do, consider establishing an alternative assembly point. That way if the cops are indeed successful in "cleaning" out the park, you'll all still be there, but just at another location. Imagine the look on Bloomberg's face.
Russell Simmons said that he would pay for cleanup. Bloomberg has no excuse now.
While our .00001 percenter Mayor Bloomberg gets ready to go to sleep tonight....on his sumptuous silk sheets, in his million dollar mansion...he is trying to kill off the Occupy Wall Street protests by denying them the use of sleeping bags.....while claiming that he is the number one defender of free speech. WHAT A HYPOCRITE!!!! Instead of cleaning up the park, he should help clean up the economic and social mess created by his Wall Street brethren. His city is suffering. The Emperor has no clothes. The Emperor has NO SHAME!
Where can we send money if anyone needs to be bailed out of jail? I know there are a lot of us that can't be there but want to help. Please post information on this website. GOOD LUCK and REMAIN PEACEFUL
Good luck and stay as safe as you can. You are in our thoughts and prayers.
I left a comment with ideas but it is not posted now.
You do realize the banks paid back tarp/bailout money, right? With interest.
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2009/06/17/jpmorgan-repays-treasury-as-tarp-exits-continue
wow... right now the city is sparkling compared to the rest of the city... he's obviously trying to kick us out
All in on the park. Don't leave. Put out the call for people to show up early -- preferably in the wee hours of the night. Build a human wall around the camp. lock arms and just try to hold out. Put out a general call to non-participant observers to come photograph and video record.
All in on the park. Don't leave. Put out the call for people to show up early -- preferably in the wee hours of the night. Build a human wall around the camp. lock arms and just try to hold out. Put out a general call to non-participant observers to come photograph and video record.
Please make the call, I did, it took less than 10 min. and the representative was polite. I applaud those who are there fighting for our rights and freedoms! Hang in there, I admire your courage and determination.....THANK YOU!
I just voiced my support for you at the call in line. There is quite a wait but please hold on. I want to tell you all THANK YOU - document, take pictures, we are here supporting you and the eyes of the world are watching this. GOOD LUCK, STAY SAFE AND KEEP IT PEACEFUL !!!
"First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. THEN YOU WIN." _Gandhi
While I am against Bloomberg using this convenient tactic to undermine the occupation, it does sort of bring up a teachable moment. I hope folks in the park can set a good example of how to run a clean(er) occupation. I also liked what the other commenter said about running shifts if necessary. The important thing is DON'T GO AWAY.
And of course, my snarky response is, since when have corporations and/or the government been held accountableand/or evicted for making a mess?
I'm with you in spirit. Stay warm and safe, and remember that our country was founded by shifting the status quo, and Great Britain wasn't happy about a bunch of upstart castaways shaking their castles either - but they did it nonetheless.
If all else fails, bring coffee and stay in shifts, round the clock.
please please please New Yorkers Rise UP and HELP these protesters. They have AWAKEN and you must all WAKE UP TOO!
You rock OWS! Thank you for all you are doing.
hello bro......
I will stand with you. We will succeed.
Australia is watching this very closely. I am no idealist Leftie! I am a cynical retired 66 year old lawyer who doesn't give one damn for the Left OR the Right. I DO care about those masses of people who ARE suffering because of the unchecked greed of a few who amass wealth at their expense.
It has to stop. It is out of control. It went out of control because those who could stop it did nothing. That's us. Whether the so-called Right Wing likes it or not, the power of the people is the most powerful force on Earth. Governments everywhere work damned hard preventing you from realising that. For this so called 'democracy' to work, it requires that the masses 'know their place'. Those in control will do everything they can to put you back in it.
Little of this is filtering out to the UK and the Southern Hemisphere. That is happening because media ownership is so narrowly owned. Murdoch owns 80% of our newspapers. The so-called Left in Australia is almost a whisper!
The worst thing about this situation is the Enablers;-those who will deride others who are simply trying to get some fairness back into our society. The Enablers are worse. They permeate every situation to ensure its continuation even if it reeks of injustice. Such people elevate themselves by stepping on the shoulders of people whom they crush to get where they want to go. They are the 'hired guns' of a consumingly greedy Corporate World, because they want their place in that World.
You MUST continue. You will go back a step; two steps;-but go forward again. DO NOT STOP. I am old enough to have seen a different World before this bushfire of greed took such control. IF you go on, this week; this month; this year; next year;-you WILL change things. That is what they fear. That is why they will try to stop you.
This fightback is the best thing I have seen in the last 30 years. I wondered if I would ever see this in my lifetime. Well done! Don't stop; keep going. Those of you who have suffered because of Corporate greed? Get out of you houses and join them. It is absolutely critical to have the numbers, and to have the staying power.
Good luck to you all!
Christine's idea is a really good one...I am proud of all of you...I wish I could be there....
Please make the call, I did, it took less than 10 min. and the representative was polite. I applaud those who are there fighting for our rights and freedoms! Hang in there, I admire your courage and determination.....THANK YOU!
Please make the call, I did, it took less than 10 min. and the representative was polite. I applaud those who are there fighting for our rights and freedoms! Hang in there, I admire your courage and determination.....THANK YOU!
so you have a right to assemble and protest so long as it doesnt get too big?
Shouldn't we also be contacting Brookfield directly? The CEO is Richard Clark, and his direct line is 212.417.7063. He can also be emailed at ric.clark@brookfield.com.
Australia is watching this very closely. I am no idealist Leftie! I am a cynical retired 66 year old lawyer who doesn't give one damn for the Left OR the Right. I DO care about those masses of people who ARE suffering because of the unchecked greed of a few who amass wealth at their expense.
It has to stop. It is out of control. It went out of control because those who could stop it did nothing. That's us. Whether the so-called Right Wing likes it or not, the power of the people is the most powerful force on Earth. Governments everywhere work damned hard preventing you from realising that. For this so called 'democracy' to work, it requires that the masses 'know their place'. Those in control will do everything they can to put you back in it.
Little of this is filtering out to the UK and the Southern Hemisphere. That is happening because media ownership is so narrowly owned. Murdoch owns 80% of our newspapers. The so-called Left in Australia is almost a whisper!
The worst thing about this situation is the Enablers;-those who will deride others who are simply trying to get some fairness back into our society. The Enablers are worse. They permeate every situation to ensure its continuation even if it reeks of injustice. Such people elevate themselves by stepping on the shoulders of people whom they crush to get where they want to go. They are the 'hired guns' of a consumingly greedy Corporate World, because they want their place in that World.
You MUST continue. You will go back a step; two steps;-but go forward again. DO NOT STOP. I am old enough to have seen a different World before this bushfire of greed took such control. IF you go on, this week; this month; this year; next year;-you WILL change things. That is what they fear. That is why they will try to stop you.
This fightback is the best thing I have seen in the last 30 years. I wondered if I would ever see this in my lifetime. Well done! Don't stop; keep going. Those of you who have suffered because of Corporate greed? Get out of you houses and join them. It is absolutely critical to have the numbers, and to have the staying power.
Good luck to you all!
Australia is watching this very closely. I am no idealist Leftie! I am a cynical retired 66 year old lawyer who doesn't give one damn for the Left OR the Right. I DO care about those masses of people who ARE suffering because of the unchecked greed of a few who amass wealth at their expense.
It has to stop. It is out of control. It went out of control because those who could stop it did nothing. That's us. Whether the so-called Right Wing likes it or not, the power of the people is the most powerful force on Earth. Governments everywhere work damned hard preventing you from realising that. For this so called 'democracy' to work, it requires that the masses 'know their place'. Those in control will do everything they can to put you back in it.
Little of this is filtering out to the UK and the Southern Hemisphere. That is happening because media ownership is so narrowly owned. Murdoch owns 80% of our newspapers. The so-called Left in Australia is almost a whisper!
The worst thing about this situation is the Enablers;-those who will deride others who are simply trying to get some fairness back into our society. The Enablers are worse. They permeate every situation to ensure its continuation even if it reeks of injustice. Such people elevate themselves by stepping on the shoulders of people whom they crush to get where they want to go. They are the 'hired guns' of a consumingly greedy Corporate World, because they want their place in that World.
You MUST continue. You will go back a step; two steps;-but go forward again. DO NOT STOP. I am old enough to have seen a different World before this bushfire of greed took such control. IF you go on, this week; this month; this year; next year;-you WILL change things. That is what they fear. That is why they will try to stop you.
This fightback is the best thing I have seen in the last 30 years. I wondered if I would ever see this in my lifetime. Well done! Don't stop; keep going. Those of you who have suffered because of Corporate greed? Get out of you houses and join them. It is absolutely critical to have the numbers, and to have the staying power.
Good luck to you all!
should we stay or should we go, vote here and see what the community thinks.
http://www.themultitude.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&p=128#p128
Australia is watching this very closely. I am no idealist Leftie! I am a cynical retired 66 year old lawyer who doesn't give one damn for the Left OR the Right. I DO care about those masses of people who ARE suffering because of the unchecked greed of a few who amass wealth at their expense.
It has to stop. It is out of control. It went out of control because those who could stop it did nothing. That's us. Whether the so-called Right Wing likes it or not, the power of the people is the most powerful force on Earth. Governments everywhere work damned hard preventing you from realising that. For this so called 'democracy' to work, it requires that the masses 'know their place'. Those in control will do everything they can to put you back in it.
Little of this is filtering out to the UK and the Southern Hemisphere. That is happening because media ownership is so narrowly owned. Murdoch owns 80% of our newspapers. The so-called Left in Australia is almost a whisper!
The worst thing about this situation is the Enablers;-those who will deride others who are simply trying to get some fairness back into our society. The Enablers are worse. They permeate every situation to ensure its continuation even if it reeks of injustice. Such people elevate themselves by stepping on the shoulders of people whom they crush to get where they want to go. They are the 'hired guns' of a consumingly greedy Corporate World, because they want their place in that World.
You MUST continue. You will go back a step; two steps;-but go forward again. DO NOT STOP. I am old enough to have seen a different World before this bushfire of greed took such control. IF you go on, this week; this month; this year; next year;-you WILL change things. That is what they fear. That is why they will try to stop you.
This fightback is the best thing I have seen in the last 30 years. I wondered if I would ever see this in my lifetime. Well done! Don't stop; keep going. Those of you who have suffered because of Corporate greed? Get out of you houses and join them. It is absolutely critical to have the numbers, and to have the staying power.
Good luck to you all!
Australia is watching this very closely. I am no idealist Leftie! I am a cynical retired 66 year old lawyer who doesn't give one damn for the Left OR the Right. I DO care about those masses of people who ARE suffering because of the unchecked greed of a few who amass wealth at their expense.
It has to stop. It is out of control. It went out of control because those who could stop it did nothing. That's us. Whether the so-called Right Wing likes it or not, the power of the people is the most powerful force on Earth. Governments everywhere work damned hard preventing you from realising that. For this so called 'democracy' to work, it requires that the masses 'know their place'. Those in control will do everything they can to put you back in it.
Little of this is filtering out to the UK and the Southern Hemisphere. That is happening because media ownership is so narrowly owned. Murdoch owns 80% of our newspapers. The so-called Left in Australia is almost a whisper!
The worst thing about this situation is the Enablers;-those who will deride others who are simply trying to get some fairness back into our society. The Enablers are worse. They permeate every situation to ensure its continuation even if it reeks of injustice. Such people elevate themselves by stepping on the shoulders of people whom they crush to get where they want to go. They are the 'hired guns' of a consumingly greedy Corporate World, because they want their place in that World.
You MUST continue. You will go back a step; two steps;-but go forward again. DO NOT STOP. I am old enough to have seen a different World before this bushfire of greed took such control. IF you go on, this week; this month; this year; next year;-you WILL change things. That is what they fear. That is why they will try to stop you.
This fightback is the best thing I have seen in the last 30 years. I wondered if I would ever see this in my lifetime. Well done! Don't stop; keep going. Those of you who have suffered because of Corporate greed? Get out of you houses and join them. It is absolutely critical to have the numbers, and to have the staying power.
Good luck to you all!
I just voiced my support for you at the call in line. There is quite a wait but please hold on. I want to tell you all THANK YOU - document, take pictures, we are here supporting you and the eyes of the world are watching this. GOOD LUCK, STAY SAFE AND KEEP IT PEACEFUL !!!
Boston's colony has already been attacked and they responded by swelling up to 15,000 the next day. Denver's colony faces eviction on friday like NYC. In every case no matter what happens the night of, there is only one logical response from occupiers. BACKLASH! Show the governors, mayors, and police forces that coercion and brute force only makes us stronger. Show them (especially Emperor Bloomberg) that there is no more business as usual. Not anymore.
I just voiced my support for you at the call in line. There is quite a wait but please hold on. I want to tell you all THANK YOU and like the person who posted just before me - document, take pictures, we are here supporting you and the eyes of the world are watching this. GOOD LUCK, STAY SAFE AND KEEP IT PEACEFUL !!!
how can a person help who doesn't want to be arrested?
help when you think you can.
It's a park, not a campground for unemployed hippies. The park rules (drafted long ago before this protect) are clear about prohibited activities. Police are kicking the miscreants out tomorrow morning. Good riddance. No one is above the law.
What a little, bitty man you are. But don't worry -- our protests will still benefit you, even if you don't deserve it.
To all the protestors in NY. You are beautiful and we all love you! What you are doing is what life is all about. Standing up for what is right. I hope Bloomberg stops being a ghoul but if not and he kicks you out you should sue on the grounds of violating your civil rights. There is no time limit on peaceful assembly nor is there any law stating what you can have with you during peaceful assembly including sleeping bags and tents so in reality the cops have no ground to deny you your belongings. I wish you the best tomorrow, will be sending you good energy and will be nervously watching this site. Bless all of you, stay strong and Ty for all you are doing.
So terribly glad to see so many of you had cameras and cellphones to take videos and pics so the world could see the terrible actions of the police! The same thing happened in Chicago, Dem Convention years ago without those aids to push what was happening into the public arena! The Consitution gives you the right to peacefully protest, and as you know it is spreding across the country! Thank God for you, I'm 70 and thought I would die before I saw people willing to stand up for this country and what it stands for again! Bloomberg didn't get his millions alone- he used public tax&paid for facilities and services every step of the way just like Elizabeth Warren is stating! It took a female -FEMALE-Democrat to state the obvious. Bloomberg's rights stop where yours begin...he and the rest need to be reminded of that fact. Thanks for what you are doing and God bless.
This won't do anything. They aren't interested in cleaning the park. They are using it as an excuse to attack the morale of the protesters. They are taking advantage of Americans' lack of resolve and America's short attention span, in hope that the protesters will just give up due to some minor obstacles. You can clean Zuccotti Park to your heart's content. They will still come to disband the crowd.
Glad to have you miscreants out of there. You are not above the law just because you feel like it.
OWS will not succeed unless the people who represent the movement start conducting themselves like professionals. Stop using fowl language, dress and talk like professionals.
Not black vs white Not Left vs Right Lets unite to fight! We need to focus the fight against Wallstreet, the and the lobby system, and the 1% wealthy controlling our country
I have gotten some of my friends and family behind this movement only to loose them again. I lost them because they were turned off by the fowl language.
This oligarchy reaction is not surprise. Once they get protesters out, they will not allow anyone come back. They will do everything necessary to quash protest and uprising. They will bring military and not necessarily as lost option. Here is some ideas that may be of interesting to analyze. If someone all ready suggested same, I apologize. I did not have patience to read all 588 comments. • Recognize agencies in side and mark them and stay away from them like from black plague. • have people all around town to monitor and report how police moves and where. • Dedicate many strategic grouping points a head of time where to regroup after dispersing. • If there is no choice, but move out of plaza, then disperse singularly quickly in all directions. regroup in the one of groping points, then contact monitor group to see where is and how police reacting. Play cat and mouse with them. Remember you are the mouse and you are smart. • return to plaza once is clean and move out soon as police start move in. • Stretch police as far as possible. You have numbers they do not. • Dedicate many camp points for rest, food, overnight sleep and everything else you do in plaza. These camps should not be big, so groups can move out swiftly if necessary and have watchers all the time in town as well as around the camp. • organize ordinary citizens who appear not to be part of movement, for deliveries of food and other necessary activities. • Always return to plaza when is safe. While police is busy looking after empty plaza, you protest somewhere else, once they got order to chase you, another group move in to plaza. Is it one large group, or several small and is it Liberty plaza or some other plaza or street, I'm sure is not as important as importance that movement continues with out stop and that people stay united, together and above all, safe. Whole world watching OWS as only hope for better tomorrow. For my self I'm waiting for trip to Toronto on Oct. 15th. best wishes.
This oligarchy reaction is not surprise. Once they get protesters out, they will not allow anyone come back. They will do everything necessary to quash protest and uprising. They will bring military and not necessarily as lost option. Here is some ideas that may be of interesting to analyze. If someone all ready suggested same, I apologize. I did not have patience to read all 588 comments. • Recognize agencies in side and mark them and stay away from them like from black plague. • have people all around town to monitor and report how police moves and where. • Dedicate many strategic grouping points a head of time where to regroup after dispersing. • If there is no choice, but move out of plaza, then disperse singularly quickly in all directions. regroup in the one of groping points, then contact monitor group to see where is and how police reacting. Play cat and mouse with them. Remember you are the mouse and you are smart. • return to plaza once is clean and move out soon as police start move in. • Stretch police as far as possible. You have numbers they do not. • Dedicate many camp points for rest, food, overnight sleep and everything else you do in plaza. These camps should not be big, so groups can move out swiftly if necessary and have watchers all the time in town as well as around the camp. • organize ordinary citizens who appear not to be part of movement, for deliveries of food and other necessary activities. • Always return to plaza when is safe. While police is busy looking after empty plaza, you protest somewhere else, once they got order to chase you, another group move in to plaza. Is it one large group, or several small and is it Liberty plaza or some other plaza or street, I'm sure is not as important as importance that movement continues with out stop and that people stay united, together and above all, safe. Whole world watching OWS as only hope for better tomorrow. For my self I'm waiting for trip to Toronto on Oct. 15th. best wishes.
Army trucks at 24th street near baruch college. Lot's of them.
OWS will not succeed unless the people who represent the movement start conducting themselves like professionals. Stop using fowl language, dress and talk like professionals.
Clean the park for them! Show that you are not only passionate about the cause but that you are the GOOD GUYS! Stay strong. Support from Washington state.
Keep Bloomberg and Kelly From Evicting #OWS #firstamendment #economy
Keep Bloomberg and Kelly From Evicting #OWS #firstamendment #economy
Mayor Bloomberg is proposing to close down the Occupy site at ZuccotiI Park. This action is proof positive the Banksters are concerned about the growing movement of Occupy Together. The solution is to listen to the 99%. I do not know what the outcome of tonight's event will be, but I do know this will not end the Occupy Movement. We are the 99%. Expect Us.
Just placed a call to 311 in solidarity, Service request #C1-1-697267472. It's on the record: "Mayor Bloomberg, we would appreciate your support." STAY STRONG EVERYONE.
Vote on which option is best for the movement:
http://www.themultitude.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&p=125#p125
Why not have every participant pitch in $10 and pay to have portajons put on site. Having a crew of volunteer or legal workers would also be a good way to keep the park clean without inhibiting the peaceful protest.
I second ChristineAshleyTaylor's sentiments. Clean it yourself, document it, and release a video. With youtube, twitter, facebook and other social media, we control the media coverage. We aren't beholden to anyone but the 99%.
better grab your pipes
One Million People Strong will stop the Bloomberg eviction of Occupywallstreet.
Stay peaceful and we shall prevail.
Called 311 to have a note sent to Bloomberg - "Everyone that I know in Los Angeles is watching OccupyWallStreet. You inspire us. You give us hope that just maybe our country can be better for all of us."
I have to laugh at this! I am just starting to look into this in Canada and to me it sound like you are inciting a riot... "We are pursuing all possible strategies; this is a message of solidarity." - sounds to a layman like do whatever you need to do to help us, and no hyperlink to how to do it non-violently will stop some idiot from doing it the wrong way... I hope they pull each and everyone of you out of you out of their by the hair and throw each one of you in jail! Following their rules and still bringing the message will piss them off even more...
Solidary and support from Brazil! Hold tight, fellow americans! DO NOT LET THEM END #OWS! We are cheering and praying for you!
Solidary and support from Brazil! Hold tight, fellow americans! DO NOT LET THEM END #OWS! We are cheering and praying for you!
Peaceful Protest but refuse and refute any displacement by NYPD, even under the guise of house cleaning. Support is being given from California!
I would like for 25000 people who support this movment to occupy bostons city hall plaza on monday 10/17/2011 in reaction to the way the mayor of boston and its police force handled the greenway occupation.We must show our unity in our cause
I would like for 25000 people who support this movment to occupy bostons city hall plaza on monday 10/17/2011 in reaction to the way the mayor of boston and its police force handled the greenway occupation.We must show our unity in our cause
I love the call to action. If I were on the East Coast I would already be there. This is just another way to destroy the movement. I love how Mayor Bloomberg is using the guise of "cleaning" the park to destroy Occupy Wall Streets base camp thus essentially it's heart.
Just another false promise from our elected official.
Stick to the discipline of Martin Luther King's nonviolence and the nation will be with you. You are right to confront capitalism at its core (Washington does what Wall Street tells it to do). Remember that they would not be trying to throw you out unless you were a genuine threat to The Machine. And clean up after yourselves and be sure to document that, as well as whatever happens.
Hello occupiers, I'm from Germany and if I could affored a plane ticket I'd be with you. But I can't. So please take my best wishes for the eviction attempt, and please resist, peacefully, as much as you can. Take care and good luck!!
I'll participate in "Occupy Hannover" on the 15th.
I admire this protest so much. You all are my heroes and I am behind you 110%.
comment to bloomberg phoned in today:
Caller states, "give them their constitutional right to form an alternative to a currently broken political system. In my opinion, if you take away their 1st amendment right you will make people radical. Please do not use violent police tactics, it will only incite more violence. Taking away people's ability to express will radicalize them. Our country is too precious. Be more tolerant and wise to people who are less fortunate than you. Allow the natural corrective forces of democracy to take place. Our founding fathers were allowed to assemble and had the right to protest. The mayor should not incite violence. I grew up in nyc and it affects the nation."
Fortunately, Times Square isn't in the park.
1,120 attendees so far.
After you stand your ground on Friday, get over to Times Square on Saturday at 5pm for a massive convergence!
I think people in the park shouldn't force their hand here. Let them to clean! You're going to look like the assholes in this situation if you don't.
"NYPD Police Commissioner Ray Kelly has said that they will move in to clear us and we will not be allowed to take sleeping bags, tarps, personal items or gear back into the park." You guys need the ACLU with you when you are told what you will do by this Police Commis. . You need to know your rights... Since when do you not have a right to carry a back pack with a lap top in it or cellphone (personal items or gear) Someone needs to tell the Commis...what you have a right to do...Has that happened yet? You need counsel with you every time they tell you what you will do... I am so proud of you all... I am 62 and wish so much that I could be there. My post keep being deleted here and I don't know why....I am an activist from the Gulf Coast and have been fighting BP for well over a year...Am I being deleted because I have mentioned that ? Or is it because I have shared what the conditions continue to be down here?? This is the LAST place I expected to be deleted... lol FB knows my number lol and they delete some of what I say also.. Perhaps someone is following me all over the net lol...
Occupy Wall Street possibly moving from zuccotti to a city park could be a problem because most if not all city parks have hours where they are closed and that would put Bloomberg and the city in a good legal position.
Our hearts and minds are with you. Stand toll, stand proud, stand together. Your moral courage spreads a message of hope around the world. From Amsterdam with love.
I've said for years that nothing will change until the people rise up in revolution. You are doing it, and peacefully, too. Things may get worse before they get better, but those of the 99% who can't be with you in person are with you in spirit, and we ARE watching. Blessings!
I've said for years that nothing will change until the people rise up in revolution. You are doing it, and peacefully, too. Things may get worse before they get better, but those of the 99% who can't be with you in person are with you in spirit, and we ARE watching. Blessings!
sending love and prayers for your safety you guys are brillant hold on were joining you in support occupy london oct 15th revolution baby !! that was'nt a recession that was a robbery some-one call the police !! ;)
"NYPD Police Commissioner Ray Kelly has said that they will move in to clear us and we will not be allowed to take sleeping bags, tarps, personal items or gear back into the park." Is there a new law on the books that states one cannot carry a backpack or laptop or cell phone into a public park? Where is the ACLU to discuss this with the Police Commissioner??? That needs to happen Now! This need to be worked out...Violation of rights..They can not make new rules as they go along... You guys need an Att with you that knows Rights frontwards and backwards to tell the Commissioner what he CAN and CAN"T DEMAND before they attempt to enforce it..
STAY STRONG!! This movement will NOT end until things CHANGE. I'm flying up there the 24th, I know people who have booked tickets for DECEMBER!
OWS is peaceful. OWS is moral. OWS is ethical. OWS is conscious. OWS is humanity, embodied into a movement.
I will bring cleaning supplies with me when I go up there, DO NOT GIVE UP!
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Wow, I have a phone interview tomorrow at 1pm... Does anyone know if they would let me make my phone call from jail? lol
no! grand old party, obama 2012, lets get the house's back and do some good! usa usa usa
I wish I was there with you guys, don't give up please, ALL YOU HAVE ACCOMPLISHED SO FAR will go down the gutter if you yeild now! I'm with you in spirit from Montreal as much as I can, we have an initiative to occupy Montreal here as well. Please, don't give up, be strong and make a stand!
They cannot swing to disband and scatter our core without making waves that will rock every boat in our fleet.
This is a powder keg, not a bee's nest... yet they tentatively poke at us with a flaming stick.
why don't you clean up all your stuff tonight, let them clean in the morning and then just go back in there after they are done without your gear? then they will have no cause for eviction.
Has the City Health department formed an inspection that would give them proof that the conditions have become unsafe and unsanitary? If not it seems like the City is just relying on hearsay and bogus news reports about the horrible conditions to make this move.
They want to evict everyone from Liberty Plaza?
Well Freedom Plaza in DC has a four month protest permit, INCLUDING overnight stays.
March from Liberty to Freedom tomorrow morning in an orderly way.
Hang together and make a statement
Google has walking directions, including directions to walk across GW Bridge
Or better still pay for your own professional cleaning company to do a professional job before they arrive Show them the receipt!
maybe its time to evolve the nature of the struggle. lets keep it organic and strategically informed. maybe its time for some guerilla tactics, george washington style
http://occupywallst.org/forum/guerilla-tactics-for-the-next-phase/
Oh, it's time alright. It's definitely time to bring the A game on.
Why don't you all dress up as cleaners for the day? ladies should arrive with their hair up in curlers with a scarf and overalls, mops, brooms, dusters etc. The blokes could all wear any cleaners jackets they can get their hands on and everyone do some cleaning! Wonderful opportunity for a photo shoot also... a bit of New York humour and style! God knows the world needs it! if everyone is busy cleaning how can they say it's not clean? When you see them coming start spraying air spray to make the park smell fresh ;-)
I gave a call to Bloomberg's Office..I indeed got through within 10 minutes time, and I stated our case, short and sweet, I hope that our fellow occupiers at the Heart of Ground Zero will make NYPD forcefully remove them..and when it's time to come back into the park BRING YOUR TENTS YOUR TARPS YOUR SLEEPING BAGS AND BELONGINGS AND MAKE THEM FORCE US OUT AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN!!!! SCREW BLOOMBERG AND HIS MINIONS!!!!! ~Gary Paulson.
I called 311. A real person picks up if you press zero and wait long enough.They even have a message ready for you to approve or you can leave your own. You can also write to Bloomberg at nyc.gov/contact the mayor, for all that's worth. I am in Boston where we have the same problem. Please keep going.
dont be fooled its not about keeping the park clean its about power. how are they doing it? with small print. dont allow them to crush are citizens rights. allow them to take first blood, because the blood of patriots will stain their hands forever
Other US City governments are being attentive to the citizens right to free speech and assembly. They are allowing protesters the right to shelter, bathrooms etc. Here is a letter from Oakland, CA to the protesters: http://yfrog.com/z/h63idnuj Bloomberg needs to take a similar stand!!
I agree start cleaning up and take all your vital stuff and personal belonging with you so they have nothing to take. YOu are correct this is a case of to shut you down. get your cameras ready and RECORD everything. do not trust them. be safe and be carefull. Stay one step ahead of them. get people on look out point so they dont catch you off guard and look for another place to set up camp or make serveral camps around the area....... Dont stop Now you are being heard LOUD AND CLEAR. ! there more support than you know. look at all the comments. Stay the course NO MATTER WHAT this is your time this OUR time.
I agree start cleaning up and take all your vital stuff and personal belonging with you so they have nothing to take. YOu are correct this is a case of to shut you down. get your cameras ready and RECORD everything. do not trust them. be safe and be carefull. Stay one step ahead of them. get people on look out point so they dont catch you off guard and look for another place to set up camp or make serveral camps around the area....... Dont stop Now you are being heard LOUD AND CLEAR. ! there more support than you know. look at all the comments. Stay the course NO MATTER WHAT this is your time this OUR time.
Will call. STAND TALLANDSTRONG! Remember winter clothes r warm and can be backpacked as well as a pad. You are not impedeing others if they aren't there to sayyou are! Think hiking trip/leave-no-trace and God PLEASE don't leave!
I agree start cleaning up and take all your vital stuff and personal belonging with you so they have nothing to take. YOu are correct this is a case of to shut you down. get your cameras ready and RECORD everything. do not trust them. be safe and be carefull. Stay one step ahead of them. get people on look out point so they dont catch you off guard and look for another place to set up camp or make serveral camps around the area....... Dont stop Now you are being heard LOUD AND CLEAR. ! there more support than you know. look at all the comments. Stay the course NO MATTER WHAT this is your time this OUR time.
Before I was trying to "just find a job". Little did I know what a challenge even that would be. Beleagured and defeated, one day I heard about Occupy Wall Street. It was as if someone had turned the lights back on. For the first time in a long time I have felt that I can take my power back in a positive way. Thank you #OWS. You have provided the Zeitgeist. We are with you - 100%!
Once again, I call on the unions and all citizens of New York City, Long Island and the surrounding areas to make a stand for freedom. I call upon the news media and any celebrities to help them make their stand. Some things are worth it. Lots of cameras....lots of coverage......join together New York....hold the ground.... I call upon Firefighters and Police to join together on this.....it is your fight.....you are the heroes of 9-11. Your brothers who suffered from the attacks are at the park......The teachers, this is your fight....for our children's future. Veterans of our military, this is the right of the people, the rights you fought to uphold, this is your fight. All workers, even if you work in a grocery store or a movie theater, this is your fight for better wages and a decent living. All students, this is your future and your education. Stand up. Stand strong. Stand united. There are no dividing lines. You must stand.
The Mayor has only to ask us to clean the park. But NO, he wishes to have the history books document him as the Mayor responsible for in-sighting the largest riot in American History since the Civil Rights Movement or the Protests Against the Vietnam War. He will be held accountable for the violence against American Citizens exercising their First Amendment Right, "Freedom of Speech"!
Mayor Bloomberg has declared himself an enemy of the people.
For those of you who haven't called yet, I thought it might help to know that, when you do call, after pressing one for English, you simply have to wait on hold to speak to a Representative. They have a statement prepared already and ask you whether or not you agree with it or would like to amend your statement in any way. Then they ask for your contact information, which you do NOT have to give. The Woman I spoke with was very nice by the way! I only had to wait on hold for about 10 minutes. TEN minutes out of your lives people! Small price to pay to help out our Brothers and Sisters who are out there fighting for all of us!
For those of you who haven't called yet, I thought it might help to know that, when you do call, after pressing one for English, you simply have to wait on hold to speak to a Representative. They have a statement prepared already and ask you whether or not you agree with it or would like to amend your statement in any way. Then they ask for your contact information, which you do NOT have to give. The Woman I spoke with was very nice by the way! I only had to wait on hold for about 10 minutes. TEN minutes out of your lives people! Small price to pay to help out our Brothers and Sisters who are out there fighting for all of us!
i'm in italy .. think i cannot get there tomorrow morning .. but i think obama can get there if he wants to
who not is in NY can do what to help?
you can't let bloomberg and the corporations roll you over. stay strong.
For those of you who haven't called yet, I thought it might help to know that, when you do call, after pressing one for English, you simply have to wait on hold to speak to a Representative. They have a statement prepared already and ask you whether or not you agree with it or would like to amend your statement in any way. Then they ask for your contact information, which you do NOT have to give. The Woman I spoke with was very nice by the way! I only had to wait on hold for about 10 minutes. TEN minutes out of your lives people! Small price to pay to help out our Brothers and Sisters who are out there fighting for all of us!
For those of you who haven't called yet, I thought it might help to know that, when you do call, after pressing one for English, you simply have to wait on hold to speak to a Representative. They have a statement prepared already and ask you whether or not you agree with it or would like to amend your statement in any way. Then they ask for your contact information, which you do NOT have to give. The Woman I spoke with was very nice by the way! I only had to wait on hold for about 10 minutes. TEN minutes out of your lives people! Small price to pay to help out our Brothers and Sisters who are out there fighting for all of us!
Maybe another 330, 000 or 8,000, 000 folks need to show up today, tonite, tomorrow.. love, blessing bright, peace , Grandmother in NM
OWS will not allow Bloomberg's and his Gestapo (NYPD) to dictate how, when and where, the "We Are the 99%" movement can exercise their 1st amendment right.
I'll be there. It's gonna take a lot more than a "clean-up crew" to end the movement
Why not just clean the park today and there wont be anything for the to clean tommorow....... Ignorance is always sold as wisdom as true is treason in the empire of lies
beware of moles that they might implant in your organization by NYPD and the the Greedy bitches. they do think like some of these TV shows they are sneaky be carefull as go along. The longer your stand the more they will try to break you down. Record and post online ASAP!
beware of moles that they might implant in your organization by NYPD and the the Greedy bitches. they do think like some of these TV shows they are sneaky be carefull as go along. The longer your stand the more they will try to break you down. Record and post online ASAP!
http://youtu.be/-kB-nWvq2ys
if you built it (the movement) they will come (the people) just please keep it clean :)
Needs Must be Met, so give; thus, remember the cleaning thing is Public Servant Doing What All (incl. Kelly) of Our Public Servants Are required ie say, "The Rules Are The Rules" = don't like'um = change'um.
beware of moles that they might implant in your organization by NYPD and the the Greedy bitches. they do think like some of these TV shows they are sneaky be carefull as go along. The longer your stand the more they will try to break you down. Record and post online ASAP!
put a line of people in a blockade surrounding the group wearing something incendiary to cops like a "fuck tha police" shirt and have these brave souls also taunting the cops and resisting arrest. This half-hearted aggression will give the cops reason in most peoples eyes to be semi-violent with the brave ones.
But, the cops will get angry and abuse the majority of normal dressed, non-incendiary, completely compliant, and otherwise utterly innocent people who are standing behind them. Most people, who are unaware of how brutal police are, will see absolutely no reason for this brutality.
When video of the brutality and violence gets out, the country will turn on the government.
If I was in New York right now, I would be there tomorrow, just sayin' instead you got my moral thoughts/support.
This is still a peaceful demonstration and it deserves just as much attention as the Civil Rights Movement.
If we cleaned the park overnight ourselves, then what excuse can the "Mayor" use to evict? This is a privately owned park right? Would the owner disagree with free labor?
Wow! Brookfield Properties owns Zuccotti Park (which earned them a height bonus of their building at One Liberty Plaza) (a park formerly known as Liberty Square until renamed). Mayor Michael Bloomberg visited the protesters Wednesday to offer assurances they would not be evicted. Bloomberg's girlfriend, Diana Taylor, is on Brookfield's board of directors, according to the property owner's website.
They scrubbed that park with clorox tonight. It won't help. Bloomberg and his buddies just want OWS shut down!!! Huge worldwide march on Saturday. They must be terrified. So much for rights.
I'll be there.
Clever aren't they? Bloomberg is a lying scheming sack of shit! He's NO. 12 on the 1% list of the Oligarchs that run and own and rule this country.
Rather, OWS will not all Bloomberg's and his Gestapo (NYPD) to dicate how, when and where, the "We Are the 99%" movement can exercise their 1st amendment right.
It's clear that Bloomberg is strategically using both time and weather as leverage. that shouldn't matter, show up if you want this occupation to rightfully continue
Rather, OWS will not all Bloomberg's and his Gestapo (NYPD) to dicate how, when and where, the "We Are the 99%" movement can exercise their 1st amendment right.
"The ruling ideology sees to it that subversive discoveries are trivialized and sterilized, after which they can be safely spectacularized." -Guy Debord; Report on the Construction of Situations
Again, this is occupation. This is protest. This is a call for civil disobedience.
In Barcelona, on May 19th, Catalonian Police evicted the campers in Plaça Catalunya for the same 'cleaning' reasons. Police attacked peacefully seated people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzJHT4zKIHA&feature=related
You can learn how to defend yourselves viewing the whole operation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9iSC-MmOMc&src_vid=ELF_ExZZ6LY&annotation_id=annotation_19229&feature=iv
Remember, October 15th, people of the world Rise Up! http://15october.net
Keep it up!
If the NYPD says they'll be there at 7 am, you should expect that they'll be early...real early, like 2 am, when many people are sleeping, and before any "mass turnout" arrives at 6 am.
It's how they work.
If the NYPD says they'll be there at 7 am, you should expect that they'll be early...real early, like 2 am, when many people are sleeping, and before any "mass turnout" arrives at 6 am.
It's how they work.
3 important sentences to remember tomorrow morning, OWS:
I do not consent to this search.
I choose to remain silent.
I want to speak to a lawyer.
These may well save your bacon. Stay strong. We're behind you.
Correct. There's a reason why they tell you anything you say can and will be used AGAINST you. It will not be used for you. Do not talk to the police under any circumstances if you are arrested, except to say the three lines above and to provide basic identification information if required.
If you want an explanation as to why, this video is helpful: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
They are trying to kill momentum by forcing the occupywallst folks out prior to the global protest. Do not let this happen. Everything should be cleaned up, Giving them little reason to enter.
Thousands should descend upon the park. and if so be it thousands more fellow brothers and sisters should hold the park, even at risk of arrest.
This only shows that if you privatize everything, they can control anything. Even our right occupy a "public park".
I saw the owner of the park, a few days ago, speak of pressure washing on a regular basis....It is NOT too late for you all to get some of those and began pressure washing today so every one can see that you are physically cleaning it the same as the work crew would. Then someone contact the owner.. Please Please attempt this right away... If all else fails look for another park close by....It is not absolutely mandatory that you always remain there as Wall Street is only a fragment of the issue. Big Corporation now run this government..Find a park close to BP or someone else..and share the views with the media that Wall Street was not the only issue. Get the Bog Corporations out of our politicians pockets... Thank you so much for what you are doing. I wish so much to be there and am doing what I can on the home front. I am so extremely proud of you all... I am an activist who lives on the Gulf Coast and have been fighting against BP from day one. People are very ill along the coast and we continue to have oil washing in along with an unprecedented number of new born Dolphin washing up dead. There are still wells leaking their oil in the Gulf...we have documented that...and nothing is being done... The President has turned his back on us..
Don't leave the park, no matter what!
I will be there next week. Others are on their way. Be brave, but heed what was written a while ago right here: "...Bloomberg is about to turn a peaceful protest into an insugency." Cleaning and dictating and intimidation are the moral equivalents of war.
This is repugnant, the city's activism is generating publicity and probably is aiding in an economic upturn. also, history books and history will show how nyc and new yorkers played a pivot role in maintaining straight laced people, how instead od dope addicts, nyc has intellectuals who are activist, and know how to create a nice and neat radical newspapers, instead of creating illiteracy, OWS is showing people how to think; analyze and interpret socio-economic and political issues, thereby decreasing illiteracy. Next, OWC is probably helping to clean up the city by showing people how to give a damn about society and human beings and not to be cut throats and hate mongers, all these examples will hlp create a new man that will decrease the arrogant, greedy capitalist pigs thirst for blood and money and will bring peace and harmony.
This is repugnant, the city's activism is generating publicity and probably is aiding in an economic upturn. also, history books and history will show how nyc and new yorkers played a pivot role in maintaining straight laced people, how instead od dope addicts, nyc has intellectuals who are activist, and know how to create a nice and neat radical newspapers, instead of creating illiteracy, OWS is showing people how to think; analyze and interpret socio-economic and political issues, thereby decreasing illiteracy. Next, OWC is probably helping to clean up the city by showing people how to give a damn about society and human beings and not to be cut throats and hate mongers, all these examples will hlp create a new man that will decrease the arrogant, greedy capitalist pigs thirst for blood and money and will bring peace and harmony.
I will call the number, but NYC Occupiers, please do not give in to these demands - reassemble elsewhere, take a stand against the police, but do not allow yourselves to be shut down!
Wish I could be there guys. Unfortunately I'm living in Portugal, that's been run down by the same banks.. Keep up the good work!!
I would like to organize a defense task group to protect the protest against police brutality. Who's with me?
Ummm, aren't you guys costing the city millions of dollars already in security costs? How much more will clean up costs be?
In addition, the right to protest provided by the first amendment talks about the right to peaceably assemble. What you are doing is breaking the law by creating a tent city in a privately managed park. The first amendment does not give you the right to "occupy" anything. Just saying.
shrug did it give us the right to drive the people who lived here before us down the Trail of Tears? A city, made of concrete or tents, implies an attempt at self sufficiency and there is no where better to protest. Kitchen facilities and a library to inform sounds much more thought out than a bunch of "flea bitten hippie" rhetorical nonsense.
We have already organized a rally in Newton, NJ (at the Green) for 2:30 p.m. on Saturday. I hope we do not have to make a protest rally because of the eviction of Occupy Wall Street, but I will tell you that this and many rallies are already scheduled, and they will echo the protest loud and long if there is any repression of OWS. I am old enough to remember rallies that were already scheduled for May 4, 1970, at which the four deaths at Kent State University were announced. Mayor Bloomberg, you don't want that!
Maybe Occupiers of this Nation should converge on wall street in a peaceful occupation, we would surly out number them
Its Private property folks. Find a PUBLIC sq. to Occupy. Or this will end up like People's Park did 40 yrs. ago. badly!
Wonderful comment about not a picnic. I hope professional cleaning people come to help. Street cleaning is not as simple as it sounds.
www.occupyuniversities.org
They are screwing with this site as well by SLOWING IT DOWN BIG TIME~!!! The "cleaning the park" bit was used here in Seattle yesterday as well. The "occupiers" wouldn't leave, they cleaned the park, then came back with the police in force LAST night attempting to "evict" the protesters, and arrested 2 ... but THEY STAYED~!!! HANG IN THERE. THE world IS WATCHING~!!! I was a "radical, hippie" during The Movement of the '60s. My only regret is that we didn't take it to the next, final step. This time WE WILL~!!!
www.occupyuniverisites.org
www.occupyuniverisites.org
We should really negotiate with the City of New York to open Battery Park and allow Tents and other more permanent structures there!
Why would they negotiate when they think they have you by the balls?
because they don't gut us by the balls! If they do not provide a space, we will randomly occupy any space in the city! and can you imagine what happens, if the first young student dies because of the winter? I mean ... it happens with homeless people all the time in New York ... but this is different if you get killed by protesting the super rich! they can not afford this to happen, NYC can not afford this to happen, Bloomberg can not afford this to happen! It is not them having our balls ... no no ... it is us having theirs ... so lets sqeez them a bit and milk them at the same time :-D
If you can get them to negotiate in good faith, Then cool but it doesny look like they want to
Well ... do they have a choice? Lets face it ... OWS did not "negotiate" about Zuccotti Park either :-D
What better proof that OWS is being taken seriously?
Will keep posting the link to your article in the next few hours in all relevant German FB-Groups.
Keep up the great work, you are all doing! Do Not Leave The Park!!!! Keep it peaceful and when they ask you to move, move back very little. Have the cameras rolling and keep posting it on YouTube. You are winning and you are gaining more and more support every day. This is just a test. Keep your cool and you will win! We are so proud of you all.
Keep up the great work, you are all doing! Do Not Leave The Park!!!! Keep it peaceful and when they ask you to move, move back very little. Have the cameras rolling and keep posting it on YouTube. You are winning and you are gaining more and more support every day. This is just a test. Keep your cool and you will win! We are so proud of you all.
I would like to organize an anti-police taskforce that can get together body armor and shields to protect the protest from police brutality.
I AM NOT MOVING - Short Film - Occupy Wall Street
please share with everyone, including your leaders. Mirroring is encouraged, but pls don't change video in any way. This video is meant to be a warning to our leaders. The filmmaker wants to come to NYC to film and do a more thorough follow-up film, anyone who can support with secure lodging near lower Manhattan pls get in touch.
Including amazing shots from Alex Mallis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjfhOPCPJnE
Could you guys clean up, then spend the night in Bryant Park or something? (long walk, I know) Then come back in tomorrow? Bryant Park is a VERY visible location, too, between Grand Central/NYC Library area and Times Square.
the mayor talks out both sides of his face ... they can stay he says as long as they follow the laws and then uses ordinances to clear them out ... typical political media move ... so tired of little people who yield lots of power ... they will find a way to stay on and protest ... all the best to the greatest of americans ...
the whole occupy thing is a great start and all but i think you people need to start organizing, thinking about what steps to take next. if the time hasn't come, the time will come to do more than screaming/sleeping in a park. i don't think people really understand how deep the problems go (it's not just wall street) and what it's going to take to even make a dent. revolution wont come without blood, sweat and tears... in this case, most likely a lot of the three. time to step it up.
You can't have a revolution without great music!
http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/i-hate-california-single/id469067565
http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Standells/158754284219434?sk=wall
http://www.thestandellsband.com/
People need to understand that it's really not about just Wall Street or the puppets in D.C., but more about the multi-nationals and China - who REALLY control things through the financial markets, lobbying and in terms of financing political campaigns. Why even bother with marching on Wall Street. Go camp outside the multi-nationals headquarters in your state. And don't leave until they agrre to bring jobs back to America...
The mutli-nationals rely on people looking to blame everyone else but them. They carefully cultivate this "defection of blame." As long as people are yelling at the politicians or at the banks, they won't come directly to the problem. Wall Street execs and the banks and politicians are mere puppets. Once the protests start going directly to the multinationals, only then will things really change. Also, China is a huge problem. Perhaps camping outside their embassy would help illuminate the issue...
Because when you cut a puppet's strings the puppeteers no longer have a medium to work through. One thing at a time.
what are they so afraid of? You must be hitting a nerve.. keep going..... do not leave! that is why it is called civil disobedience.
Some of the recent MSM coverage has been asking inconvenient questions, like "why hasn't anyone gone to jail for fraud?" It's a reasonable question, resonates well with most focus groups. I suspect that has something to do with both the softening of the rhetoric from the Republican side, and the sheer terror from other quarters.
Down here in the South, there's an old saying. "It's the hit dog that hollers."
I agree with ChristineAshelyTaylor. However, I would suggest something else as well. If this all happens, then OWS should move to another park to sleep, but still protest there. If they show that they are willing to work with the police, and the police continue to trick the protesters then no one can side with the police.
Set up shop at Ground Zero.
Set up shop at Ground Zero.
We need permision to at least have large group open tents, portopans and dumpsters....people will have to rotate Occupying (somehow)
I HAVE A PLAN!
1) HIre local counsel to file an immediate emergency injunction with the court to block Bloomberg from evicting you until you have had an opportunity to plead your case in court.
2) Put together a list of all the properties owned by Brookfield Office Properties and if you end up getting kicked out of Zuccotti Park then occupy the other properties in protest until you can go back to Zuccotti Park.
3) When you go back, don't worry about the sleeping bags. Instead of sleeping there, take shifts. Come and go and stay as long as you can until you have to sleep and go home, knowing there are others there holding down the fort. They think taking your ability to sleep there away is going to stop this movement? They are wrong. It just means new and innovative ideas will come to light, and the movement continues.
They can stop the movement without breaking the First Amendment!
The First Amendment
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
more from wikipedia... The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution is part of the Bill of Rights. The amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.
Originally, the First Amendment applied only to laws enacted by the Congress. However, starting with Gitlow v. New York, 268 U.S. 652 (1925), the Supreme Court has held that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment applies the First Amendment to each state, including any local government.
Don't leave!! They are afraid of the world event on October 15! They know the movement is growing and want to stop it.
So, clean the park up. When they want you to leave, do so, and go to another park and set up the exact same system there. How awesome would that be?
Not as awesome as holding your ground.
yeah, I've been reading up and now I kind of agree with you. Though even if the eviction is successful, this is not the end.
My theory is it cannot be successful if ten thousand stand strong. I cannot see them going to bat against that many just to "clean" a park.
calling from long beach, california. approx 1pm and high call volume....held for 10 minutes to get a person but I was able to relay my message to oppose bloomberg's poa with the park & it's so worth it! If OWS can hang in there like they have then I certainly can hang in there for 10 minutes of elevator music -) .....Stay peaceful & strong - u r making a difference!!!!!!
They're doing this to occupy movements all over the country. Occupy Spokane is getting threatened with shutdown tomorrow. They want to quash things before the big weekend.
I called the number and- after a long wait- they say they cannot record my comment but I should text or email it. So, I did email the mayor... the link is nyc.gov and you have to find "contact the mayor" on the site.
I´m from Brazil but I would like to state my support to all you represent! I hope that your iniciative echo a thousand lights in the whole world like you have yourselves been inspired by these new admirable developments in our era. Let Freedom be Freely discussed! Document everything, the 99% are with you!
Children are told by Mom "clean your room or I'll do it!" so the kids clean up. So, start cleaning! Now! And stop complaining like you're powerless. You have power over yourselves. I am very sympathetic to your cause, more sympathetic I could not be! But it's not the end of the world if this specific space becomes unavailable to you. It's private property and the owners have a right to clean it or clear it.
This is reminiscent of the 60's. Recall Gov. Ronald Regan sending in the national guard to occupy Berkeley, in order to evict the protesters from People's Park. The fact is the people have to realize this is a fight, a struggle. They have to expect repression by the State that defends the 1%. This shows they are scared. They need to lash out. But what they don't realize is that it will backfire. Note that previous efforts to suppress the crowds backfired and energized the movement. The same will happen. They are acting out their role in their own demise. Its like Karl Marx said about the bourgeoisie digging their own graves and hammering in the nails of their own coffin.
Occupy Frankfurt. Go for that
I spoke with AFLCIO public relations representative over the phone just a minute ago. They are trying to get some union support to help. Give them a call at 202-637-5000 to continue to urge them on. I suggest calls to other unions - teachers, public workers, Teamsters, longshoremen, etc.
here's my deal: i support the movement fully, BUT i do strongly suggest peaceful behaviour IS key to keeping the message alive and the reputation of many. IF the people end up having no choice than to leave the park, then get up and MARCH PEACEFULLY to another location...this is OUR time to show the world we are somewhat civil. from my understanding the people camping are being told to move temporarilly in SHIFTS meaning sections of the park are going to be cleand. let's all have some modesty and follow the rules...there's nothing to lose this way and TRUST is built this way. using the park as headquarters is wonderful, but PLEASE keep it clean and try not to urinate just anywhere.....that shows zero respect and the opposite of reaching the goal we are so involved in. some people want riots to start so they can point fingers and name call to look big, so don't give them the chance!! we are the 99% and we need to BUILD a good reputation...not just for the people camping out in NY but for all of us around the world. I am Canadian and our time to shine is Saturday, please don't let us down :)
We say no to you and your rich fat cat friends. What you call "cleaing" we call class war.
It's disgusting how many politicians are standing side by side with Wall St greed and corruption. It's disgusting how they give us, the people, so little credit.
My thoughts and prayers are with everyone who have and will attend the Occupy movements across the world. We the people are what will create change. We've been shown time and time again that corrupt corporations and Wall St, with politicians in their back pocket, only elect for change that benefits them. When is it our turn to elect change for the greater good? NOW!
How many can be there? How many can they arrest? I am betting 10,000 woukd be a little tough.
We , who are occupying Missoula,MT are in complete solidarity with you. we are right there with you in spirit. Power to OWS!!!! puckfouse
CALL THEIR BLUFF: CLEAN THE PARK!
Someone's gotta know someone with a power washer...
you can occupy as long as you can hold your position (ground)........don't give your position away.......make them take your position (chess).......it is the only move we have........and you are our model
Those who dissalow peaceful protest sow the seeds for violent protest.
you can occupy as long as you can hold your position (ground)........don't give your position away.......make them take your position (chess).......it is the only move we have........and you are our model
WE NEED TO BE CONCIOUS OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS! They Can't Tell Yuo To Do any of those things ITS AGAINST YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS! And if anyone does they're in the wrong... please keep this in mind and much love from the west coast occupycoachellavalley!
prolly the best idea, even from the start. the moment you saw pigs. go somewhere they aren't. make them chase you around town.
don't let them coral you, and don't try to actually hold turf for longer than a few minutes. fade out of sight to sleep, don't try to sleep in the parks thats pretty much survival 101 your vulnerable to attack while sleeping.
the smart game is to occupy all of the whole area, keep moving pretty much all of the time, and let them push you out only to show up some place else and then let them push you out of there and go back.
judo people. use the opponents force against them. make those pigs lose some weight chasing you around town. make a giant loop of it. let them chase you away and then loop back around. use their force against them by allowing it to simply create a new impetus for occupying 3 blocks away.
The govt now wipes its behind with the first amendment. I wonder what prison bloomberg will be in when this is all done. I wonder if he will get one of those that is more like summer camp or one that is more like ........prison.
i agree if the park is cleaned and maintained they will have no "excuse" and they want one, if OWS cleans and maintains sanitary conditions it will look good for OWS and bad for the Mayor. I think all Occupy sites should have cleaning crews to maintain sanitary conditions, also could become a health hazzard and that would give more amunition.
I just called to protest against the eviction of OWS from the park, lodged complaint w Bloombergs office...Peace and love from South Florida. Good Luck and THANK YOU ALL.
The same directive has been issued by Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed for October 17th, 5p. He seems adamant so as I pondered how far are they willing to go, all Kent State on them, APD has been know to bust heads.
History will change started these days.
Godspeed OWS!
Try not to break the law and give them a chance. You have to beat them at their game nonvoilently. there might be setbacks but the ultimate goal is important. Good Luck
Try not to break the law and give them a chance. You have to beat them at their game nonvoilently. there might be setbacks but the ultimate goal is important. Good Luck
if they are indeed evicted from zuccotti park i suggest that the crowds move to either battery park (public park, plenty of benches, restrooms, and close proximity to goldman sachs) or to foley square (again, plenty of benches and good location in the heart of the federal buildings and the court system) . stand firm. - The Real Guy Fawkes
if they are indeed evicted from zuccotti park i suggest that the crowds move to either battery park (public park, plenty of benches, restrooms, and close proximity to goldman sachs) or to foley square (again, plenty of benches and good location in the heart of the federal buildings and the court system) . stand firm. - The Real Guy Fawkes
I'm coming to support the cause/ Flying in to NYC in the morning!
Just let him try ...
Just let him try ...
You bunch of hippies have caused enough trouble already. Go home and shower.
just because you are dead on the inside doesnt mean everyone else is. this movement is not hurting anyone except the egos of old pieces of crap like yourself who have bought into this system of haves and have-nots.
yep
This is what you post for the world to read? The people involved are of a wide range of ages, education and socio-economic status... your generalization has done nothing but pointed out your ignorance as to what is going on.
Sounds like it's time to start sleeping while leaning against something. Switch to heavy blankets/ponchos instead of sleeping bags. No matter what the fight for the middle class MUST continue!
It's legal to sleep on the sidewalks of NYC as long as you are part of a protest. Occupy the sidewalks!!!
We should just start fundraising to get a permanent space downtown. People have had it all over the country and would be willing to contribute. We have already seen people are willing to contribute. We need a permanent space to have a true permanent occupation.
Great idea.
Please please please push the message of 15october.net
I can't come to OWS, but I can stand and be counted... Please post, tell all of your friends, family, workers people on the street http://15october.net/
@Christine, That is a great idea. Don't give them any municipal reason to make you move from the park....photos document.... stay strong we are behind you.. i lost my job this week ..... be down there and in New Haven next week...
I wonder if it would do any good to appeal to the unions that marched in support of the occupation. It would be great if they asked their members to take tomorrow off and go down to support the occupation. What if city services got shut down because the union workers were all taking a sick day to support the occupation?
Stay strong, develop, design your focus and objective end game so the critics won't continue to try and dismiss and diminish what you've started. True history reflects that real CHANGE starts with one of many foot soldiers at the bottom level specifically because often a system is so broken it can't be changed from within. I offer this to you, find a way to start a Just People non-profit, it can be done, and use the power of the Internet before they start controlling it, corral and organize, join forces with other like minded organizations going in the same direction, one agenda only, no alphas, or narcissists need apply; just people, for real.
Know that it won't be easy, but then what really worth fighting for is?
Beware! there are a mass of trolls infilterating this discussion to divide US. don't feed the troll patrol.
What is wrong with shutting down the protest for one day? You can always go back.
An even better idea would be to transfer the whole movement to Washington D.C.
You should try to plant some flowers and whatnot to "BEAUTIFY" the Park too.....hahahahaha stick it to em!!! MUCH LOVE*
This is exactly what they did in Madison to clear the capitol last winter. Cleaning, indeed.
I am flying out of SLC, Utah tonight on Jet Blue's red-eye!! Save a spot for me and I will come represent Utah!! Clean the park and Keep the park!!
Perhaps placement of a Sukkah? Would that be a viable workaround?
It would at least generate bad press if the DPW tears it down.
"We won't allow Bloomberg and the NYPD to foreclose our occupation."
As a backup plan, what about relocating to a publicly-owned park as opposed to a privately-owned park like Zuccotti? One good option is Bryant Park in Midtown. It's 8 times the size of Zuccotti Park. I realize the location is not as symbolic but it's better than getting into a brawl with NYPD or a costly legal battle with the city.
I think the real issue is the millions of dollars in police overtime this is costing the city. The sanitation issue is a cover-up as it's easily remedied. Could you possible suggest to them that you don't need that many or in fact, any police around, you will call them if you need them? You promise to obey the city ordinances without police to enforce them.That should make everybody happy and save the city money.
The Whole World will be watching NYC, Mayor Bloomberg!
Unity Plaza, anyone?
Some one mentioned that the park may be fairly clean but the surrounding area is not. I don't know if this is true or not. If it is you should get a few groups of people to help clean that up also... Go above and beyond, it will only garner more support.
What a great example of truly non-violent assembly!
This is not a picnic, show the world that we are peacably assembled and socially responsible. Unlike the 1% we want a better America.
City of New York Auto Acknowledgment Correspondence # 1-1-697103474
Cleaning OUR PARK in Occupy Iowa City in Support of your CLEAN-UP efforts... http://occupyIowaCity.homestead.com/index.html
This is happening on the same weekend all over the country.
WE NEED YOUR HELP!!!! In Spokane, Washington we have been informed by a city official that we must break up the occupation by Saturday. The only way we can stop this is by flooding their phones with calls and jamming as many people as possible into the site!
People you need to be calling ASAP: Johnathan Mallahan- City Code Enforcement Director- 509.625.6734 Mayor Mary Verner- 509.625.6250 City Counsel- 509.625.6255 Joe Shogan is Counsel President KXLY- 509.324.4000 KREM- 509.838.7350 KHQ Newsroom- 509.448.4656
Let them know that we want to come to an agreement that works for everyone, but we are not leaving. Election time is coming up and no one wants to upset the voters! We ask our allies around the nation to give us you support and a few minutes of your time, please call... Please share this on your Facebook page! Do everything you can think of! We need your support now more than ever!
no compromise
the collectivism of the occupation has their own facts on their side
Stay strong and remember "We are the people" As long as your plights remain peaceful, you have every right to stage a protest. Keeping you in my prayers!
The mainstream media is NOT giving this movement proper coverage here in USA or around the globe! Been talking on the phone around the globe over the past 2 weeks only the daily internet search engine type have some awareness that Americans are finally showing signs of a Revolution like the middle east arab nations and other countries have this past year. The media coverage for the arab nations has been shortsided and scant also.
We can also call Richard B. Clark at Brookfield Office Properties and ask him to desist from his request to the Police to clear the park.
212-417-7063
Some of us reading here aren't in New York. Is there another number you could post besides 311 for people to call?
p.s. why are you turning down free cleaning services? Yeesh.
I just called my councilman, Ydanis Rodriguez. He support the occupation and he'll fight to stop Bloomberg.
Call you local office too. They have the power to stop Bloomberg from expressing the police state-of-mind within him.
http://council.nyc.gov/d10/html/members/home.shtml
one from florida on the phone now, friend flying up there with camera equipment. ll99%
The vitriol, repetition and lack of communication found in this thread represent exactly the reason this occupation is so vital and threatening.
The powerful are content to keep such conversations trapped in an environment like the internet where common-ground, genuine communication and progress are nearly impossible to find.
They are deeply threatened by a populace that finds a way to bring together all the disenfranchised voices that have been kept apart for so long.
yep
"The mass of men serve the state thus, not as men mainly, but as machines, with their bodies. They are the standing army, and the militia, jailers, constables, posse comitatus, etc. In most cases there is no free exercise whatever of the judgment or of the moral sense; but they put themselves on a level with wood and earth and stones; and wooden men can perhaps be manufactured that will serve the purpose as well. Such command no more respect than men of straw or a lump of dirt. They have the same sort of worth only as horses and dogs. Yet such as these even are commonly esteemed good citizens. Others, as most legislators, politicians, lawyers, ministers, and office-holders, serve the state chiefly with their heads; and, as they rarely make any moral distinctions, they are as likely to serve the devil, without intending it, as God. A very few, as heroes, patriots, martyrs, reformers in the great sense, and men, serve the state with their consciences also, and so necessarily resist it for the most part; and they are commonly treated as enemies by it. A wise man will only be useful as a man, and will not submit to be "clay," and "stop a hole to keep the wind away," but leave that office to his dust at least: —
"I am too high-born to be propertied, To be a secondary at control, Or useful serving-man and instrument To any sovereign state throughout the world.""
Another thing you can do is contact the property company. Maybe go there and protest?
Three World Financial Center 200 Vesey Street, 11th Floor New York, New York 10281 Tel: 212-417-7000 Fax: 212-417-7214
That's Brookfield office properties:
http://www.brookfieldofficeproperties.com/content/contact-2908.html
Whole bunch of contacts in there.
Tell them not to play ball with Bloomberg on this.
The OWS protesters in NY could make a huge statement by helping the workers clean the park. When the garbage trucks show up, start hauling trash bags to them... I don't know every thing that needs to be done to clean up the park but if you try to do it yourself and help the workers coming in, It would be a giant FU to every one saying the OWS protesters are dirty. Would be an even bigger FU to Bloomberg if he has an ulterior motive.
Dont let them kick us out!!! Fight back!
how can anyone "own" a park? ... a park is donated to the people... move to the streets... the streets are the People's
From what I read, the company does own it, but as part of the agreement of obtaining ownership of the park, they had to allow the public to use it.
My suggestion is this: 1) Clean the parks for them. Be good citizens. Prove we aren't animals. 2) Let them shut it down by force.
If New York is rounded up and forced out through brutal force it will ignite the movement. It will give the movement martyrs.
DO NOT GIVE UP
This is vital. They're seeing how resilient the movement is. The only reason they're going to such lengths is because they KNOW this has the potential to quickly spiral out of their control. If they didn't think the movement had legitimacy, they would just ignore it...
(Why are so many haters spending so much time here? Seriously, can't you go find one single useful thing to do with your time?)
It is going to get violent if you resist. There is no way that it won't. Want to drive the city crazy? Peacefully and calmly walk out, take everything, clean up after yourselves. Return later and take turns sitting in folding chairs, wrapped in coats and scarves, talking and drinking coffee. Go home and sleep in shifts, but KEEP a group awake and talking around the clock. There will be no violence and you will get a lot of support. Stay true to the message of peaceful protest. I am totally serious, and will even volunteer to take a few shifts!
Real patriots support the right to protest.
I do support peaceful resistance, just as you do. It will be the police who resort to violence, and the OWS response must resist a violent reaction in return. www.occupywallstreet.org has an excellent link to Delia Smith's "Basic Blockading."
http://occupywallst.org/media/pdf/blockadingforbegineers.pdf
Sorry to say, but Bloomberg and company, including the group that owns the park, would only end up banning folding chairs, depriving them of their coats and scarves, and forbidding the drinking of any beverage on said property. Consider this: All it took for the Supreme Court to do was to declare money contributions to political campaigns "an exercise of free speech" and pronounce that "corporations are people." This freed the smallest portion of the 1% (Karl Rove and the infamous Koch Bros.) to funnel millions of $$ to those who obey their beck and call.
This is the type of thinking we need.
excellent post you are so right.
This is a good idea and creative.
Perhaps sunbathing chair like this. http://coastalnc.org/february8photos/Pages/2.html
This is a good idea.
Better use of time? Get a job you hippie. And then you can help "fix" everything you are complaining about.
don't mock the employment impaired americans
their disability is very real
when they are disabled, we share in their disability!
love means helping those resistant to change to embrace the destiny of change. the will of the occupation is intoxicating.
Only by cooperating today can we share success tomorrow
So can your mom, but I told her to just relax.
Captain asshole were you aware that millions are as of now UN employed? or has the American worker just suddenly gone "lazy"? There is hope for you... just stop watching Mox News and you'll be on the roed to recovery
Peaceful protesting include not lobbing childish names at people who disagree. This "movement" is silly, as are it's members.Grow up omichael.
The protesters are cockroaches. I have nothing in common with these dirty animals.
It is private property. You have no right to squat there. Y'all are stealing power, destroying the lighting system in the process. There are sanitary considerations as well.
Your entire government is corrupted by multinational corporations and banking interests..THAT IS THE PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED. The mortgage meltdown was a symptom of that..You can blame the little guy for being a sucker and signing up for "The American Dream" but let me tell you, the banks would have never offered a loan to a person who couldn't pay it back, unless they could get out of their fiduciary responsibilities. They did this by selling the loans to Wall Street which then sold them as AAA rated Mortgage Backed Securities.... This happened because President Clinton (with a Republican controlled CON gress) signed off on the repeal of Glass Steagal (See Commodities Modernization Act of 2000 and Gram-Leach-Bliley Act) The Commodities Modernization Act of 2000 was being pushed by ...wait for it....Enron lobbyists. ENRON... What happened in 2008 was Enron on a global scale and who went to jail?...NOBODY.
solidarity from Sabah, Malaysia. Remember not to get focused on what is legal and what is not legal. Focus on what is right. Do what is right. Emergency Law could be declared if OWS grows big enough. Then, freedom to assemble will be revoked. Will this mean you have lost? No, you will be even closer to victory. Stay strong.
Hey Darkground, you are an arrogant self-centered moron! plain and simple. And I love how you refer to the disenfranchised people as just those "poors" instead of insulting people, why dont you enlighten yourself!
The fact of the matter is that the whole social economical structure is designed for the peolple who are already well established and the rest have to fight for leftovers. It's a winner take all economy. Just to give some perspective in 50s and 60s a person with only high school diploma could've gotten a job that would pay $20 an hour (adjusted to inflation), today millions of college graduates are struggling to find $10 or $12 an hour job. CEOs of the largest American companies earned an average of 42 times as much as the average worker in 1980, but 531 times as much in 2001. Statistics show that the richest 1 percent of the US citizens own 40 percent of the total property of the country, while 80 percent of US citizens own just 16 percent (and that was back in 2000 now its a lot worse) and top 1% has more wealth than bottom 90% combined! The richest 1 percent of Americans now take home almost 24 percent of income, up from almost 9 percent in 1976. The United States now arguably has a more unequal distribution of wealth than traditional banana republics like Nicaragua, Venezuela and Guyana. Don't be an idiot! think about what these numbers mean. What they mean is that the so called american dream for the majority of poulation is just a dream (sure there are some exeptions but you cant make examples out of exceptions) because no matter how hard an average person will work he can't compensate for the existing gap because the kids of top ten percent of population are already million steps ahead on the day that they are born, they go to private kindergardens, schools and universities so they dont have to work as hard but already have it all!
Also you want to point the irresponsibility of those "poors" how about the reckless behavior of financial companies don't they share a responsibility? aren't they suppose to make sure that their investments or loans are made wisely with calculated risks to make sure those financial decisions won't blow up in their face? but guess what? they didn't give a damn because in this free capitalist market that they love to preach about, they actually have a nanny state called US government that will come to bail them out on tax payers money and corporations knew that and thats why they took reckless risks that gave them huge bonuses while destroying economy. So much for free economy, huh? And that's how it's always been, it's called privatizing profits and socializing the losses on the back of american population.
Do yourself a favor and take your head out of the sand and educate yourself!
Hey Darkground, you are an arrogant self-centered moron! plain and simple. And I love how you refer to the disenfranchised people as just those "poors" instead of insulting people, why dont you enlighten yourself!
The fact of the matter is that the whole social economical structure is designed for the peolple who are already well established and the rest have to fight for leftovers. It's a winner take all economy. Just to give some perspective in 50s and 60s a person with only high school diploma could've gotten a job that would pay $20 an hour (adjusted to inflation), today millions of college graduates are struggling to find $10 or $12 an hour job. CEOs of the largest American companies earned an average of 42 times as much as the average worker in 1980, but 531 times as much in 2001. Statistics show that the richest 1 percent of the US citizens own 40 percent of the total property of the country, while 80 percent of US citizens own just 16 percent (and that was back in 2000 now its a lot worse) and top 1% has more wealth than bottom 90% combined! The richest 1 percent of Americans now take home almost 24 percent of income, up from almost 9 percent in 1976. The United States now arguably has a more unequal distribution of wealth than traditional banana republics like Nicaragua, Venezuela and Guyana. Don't be an idiot! think about what these numbers mean. What they mean is that the so called american dream for the majority of poulation is just a dream (sure there are some exeptions but you cant make examples out of exceptions) because no matter how hard an average person will work he can't compensate for the existing gap because the kids of top ten percent of population are already million steps ahead on the day that they are born, they go to private kindergardens, schools and universities so they dont have to work as hard but already have it all!
Also you want to point the irresponsibility of those "poors" how about the reckless behavior of financial companies don't they share a responsibility? aren't they suppose to make sure that their investments or loans are made wisely with calculated risks to make sure those financial decisions won't blow up in their face? but guess what? they didn't give a damn because in this free capitalist market that they love to preach about, they actually have a nanny state called US government that will come to bail them out on tax payers money and corporations knew that and thats why they took reckless risks that gave them huge bonuses while destroying economy. So much for free economy, huh? And that's how it's always been, it's called privatizing profits and socializing the losses on the back of american population.
Do yourself a favor and take your head out of the sand and educate yourself!
Hi All,
Keep going, never stop, DON'T LEAVE THE PARK, the more brutal the police WILL get, the bigger the movement gets..The system needs to change. The elites can do this voluntarily or we can do it for them..
Viva La Revolution!
Manifesto..written many months ago... http://www.scribd.com/doc/50365826/What-is-Nick-Howdy
I have called the Mayor's office and also sent them an e-mail. I said that Occupy Wall Street are American heros and that the city should HELP them be successful, not thwart them. I wish I could be there. JeanV from Seattle.
I just emailed all the Manhattan Council Members and Council Member Ydanis Rodriguez (District 10) emailed me back within minutes, saying he is going to there at 6am to support the movement and resist the "clean". Join him at 6am, if you can.
Email Mayor Bloomberg NOW by clicking here. http://www.nyc.gov/portal/site/nycgov/menuitem.bd08ee7c7c1ffec87c4b36d501c789a0/index.jsp?doc_name=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyc.gov%2Fhtml%2Fmail%2Fhtml%2Fmayor.html&utm_source=mailoutinteractive&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Urgent%3a+Bloomberg+to+%22Clean%22+Occupy+Wall+St+at+7am
No matter what country you live in, email Obama here and tell him New York City needs his help NOW. We don't want this to go down in history as another Tiananmen Square. http://www.whitehouse.gov/CONTACT/
Email Manhattan Council Members now and ask them to support the movement: gbrewer@council.nyc.gov, chin@council.nyc.gov, garodnick@council.nyc.ny.us, rjackson@council.nyc.gov, lappin@council.nyc.gov, rmendez@council.nyc.gov, yrodriguez@council.nyc.gov
Call Manhattan Council Members and leave messages if you have a moment: 212-828-9800, (212) 873-0282, 212-587-3159, 212-678-4505, 212-818-0580, 212-928-1322, 212-980-1808, 212-677-1077, (212) 564-7757, 917-521-2616
You can find links to Council Members in other boroughs here: http://council.nyc.gov/html/members/members.shtml
The movement is not going to be destroyed. All this will do is lead to violence, which we don't need. Occupy Wall Street is a peaceful protest. It's an important movement that can help change the imbalance between the rich and the poor. Please, in the least, send an email to the council members, or email Obama or Bloomberg.
We won Marriage Equality by sending emails and making phone calls. Maybe we can stop Bloomberg by 7am tomorrow.
They should clean the damn city of corruption before they clean the "Park."
Time to bring the A game.
Some Guerilla tactics for y'all to consider. Nonviolent, proven, and highly effective. Remember, we are the many. We are a horizontal network. We are cells. If one falls, another takes the place.
They are the few. They are a hierarchy. They have the weakness of having to resort to violence.
BLOOMBERG VS. OCCUPY
http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2011/10/bloomberg-vs-occupy.html
Mayor Bloomberg is moving to shut down Occupy Wall Street at Liberty Square tomorrow at 7 AM.
The ruse he is using: the need to clean the "park." He has promised that Liberty Square will be reopened after the cleaning but nobody will be allowed to set up anything in park, nor will sleeping bags be allowed (click the sheet to the left for larger version).
This is going to get interesting. Will be working up some ideas for how this could play out. Let's start off with an assumption. This is Bloomberg vs. Occupy. One mind vs. many minds. The goal is to coerce him into changing his mind. Dissuade him. Get inside his OODA loop.
If you have additional ideas, add them below. Good training in tactical thinking.
Hoisted from the comments:
The flashmob tactic was tried here in Panama couple of years ago by the SUNTRACS construction workers union, and with very small groups pre-planted all over the city they drove the police absolutely crazy. Police would show up at location A, mob would disperse immediately, two text messages and now TWO flashmobs would block streets at different locations. They never followed up with it (preferring massive marches to display force) but it worked very well and with much less people than #ows has available. [courtesy: Okke]
Melissa coley, PR for Brookfield properties, tell her how this is bad PR for them, their big institutional investors hate being a headline. Let her know that their investors are going to flip when the eviction falls on brookfield's head. Her cell 917-648-6277. Clearing the park hurts them. Let them know it.
I completely support what you ppl are for. I'm also the 99%. But you ppl are not alone anymore and you have to consider the consequences to other movements in other cities. If things get nasty tomorrow, there will not only be arrests but governor can pull in National Guards. Then, they can have the rationale to do the same in other cities. That will stifle the entire movement.
Since the park is a private property and you cannot rightfully exercise your constitutional right to peacefully assemble (hence easily prone to risk of committing other legal violations), I would suggest you ppl to move to a public-owned park(s) and start dispersing before they start fortifying other parks nearby. Then, once you secure the other park(s), assemble people gradually so you can migrate your population to other park(s) in a natural way. This way, you can peacefully migrate without having to come head-to-head with NY authorities tomorrow morning
What do you ppl think?
Public parks by definition should be public property, no matter who funded them. I'm so glad that you guys are standing strong in the face of so much bullshit. If I lived closer and didn't have to go to my minimum wage job tomorrow in order to make rent next month, I'd be right down there with you. You give me hope, and for once in my life I feel really proud to be part of this generation.
We must never act in accordance to laws blindly. By the grace of our Constitution, drafted during a time of almost worldwide dictatorial monarchy, the laws to which abide come from the consensus of the people.
Until 1870 this standard excluded blacks and other minority races.
Until 1920, this standard excluded women.
The Constitution is brilliant in its ideals, but must also be monitored so it is effective for all. (Which is the purpose of Amendments) At this time in our history, laws can be flagrantly bought and sold. The political process at all levels inherently engages the need for money. And so those who hold the money hold the power. I don't think there's anything wrong about being wealthy. But once you exert wealth to service your own needs at the expense of others, something MUST be done.
As for the park, if forced to leave, leave it spotless, and then move to a different park, or multiple parks- confound the powers that be as much as possible. The movement has become bigger than a park, so it doesn't matter so much where the headquarters is. Occupy everywhere!
I just emailed all the Manhattan Council Members and Council Member Ydanis Rodriguez (District 10) emailed me back within minutes, saying he is going to there at 6am to support the movement and resist the "clean". Join him at 6am, if you can.
Email Mayor Bloomberg NOW by clicking here. http://www.nyc.gov/portal/site/nycgov/menuitem.bd08ee7c7c1ffec87c4b36d501c789a0/index.jsp?doc_name=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyc.gov%2Fhtml%2Fmail%2Fhtml%2Fmayor.html&utm_source=mailoutinteractive&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Urgent%3a+Bloomberg+to+%22Clean%22+Occupy+Wall+St+at+7am
No matter what country you live in, email Obama here and tell him New York City needs his help NOW. We don't want this to go down in history as another Tiananmen Square. http://www.whitehouse.gov/CONTACT/
Email Manhattan Council Members now and ask them to support the movement: gbrewer@council.nyc.gov, chin@council.nyc.gov, garodnick@council.nyc.ny.us, rjackson@council.nyc.gov, lappin@council.nyc.gov, rmendez@council.nyc.gov, yrodriguez@council.nyc.gov
Call Manhattan Council Members and leave messages if you have a moment: 212-828-9800, (212) 873-0282, 212-587-3159, 212-678-4505, 212-818-0580, 212-928-1322, 212-980-1808, 212-677-1077, (212) 564-7757, 917-521-2616
You can find links to Council Members in other boroughs here: http://council.nyc.gov/html/members/members.shtml
The movement is not going to be destroyed. All this will do is lead to violence, which we don't need. Occupy Wall Street is a peaceful protest. It's an important movement that can help change the imbalance between the rich and the poor. Please, in the least, send an email to the council members, or email Obama or Bloomberg.
We won Marriage Equality by sending emails and making phone calls. Maybe we can stop Bloomberg by 7am tomorrow.
My idea is to call them out in a press release outlining how this is a very Constitutionally legal demonstration and just exactly how it would be illegal to forcibly remove demonstrators. President Obama has studied constitutional law. Address this open letter directly to the President, Mayor Bloomberg and Police Commissioner Kelly.
This is a chess game. We have to know when the pen is mightier than the sword. It's time to make a strategic defensive chess move. Remind them that they are accountable to the supreme law of the land. After you release an open letter addressed to the three parties, plan with The K Street protesters in DC to have them organize a protest in front of the Supreme Court Building to call attention to American Justice and the supreme law of the land that no one is above. If individual civil liberties are violated in front of the Supreme Court Building it would hold poignant symbolic meaning. This is an example of what could be said in an open letter. Maybe the legal team and public relations could edit it for a final draft:
To Whom It May Concern (or the 3 specific parties listed),
We are writing to encourage you not to evict OWS protesters from Zuccotti Park using illegal NYPD force. Unless an individual is in the act of breaking federal or state laws, you can not interfere with their inalienable right to peaceable assembly. Do not violate civil liberties. It is unconstitutional to deny someone their right to exercise peaceful public assembly and free speech.
This is The United States of America. The whole world is watching. It's painfully obvious you are attempting to interfere with and circumvent the constitutional rights of many American citizens. That is never a good thing, -especially while the rest of the world looks to us as a beacon of liberty and the hallmark of democracy.
Citizenry have formed a constitutionally legal peaceable assemblage in public. The U.S. Constitution cites "the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." The Supreme Court has held that "the right of the people peaceably to assemble for the purpose of petitioning Congress for a redress of grievances, or for anything else connected with the powers or duties of the National Government, is an attribute of national citizenship, and, as such, under protection of, and guaranteed by, the United States."
Only specific individuals in the act of breaking state or federal law in the public assemblage can be arrested. Note this: municipal code is not state or federal law. You go to a municipal court to pay a municipal citation. You are not assigned a case number to a County or District Court because you are not breaking any law. You may have violated municipal code but you only get a municipal citation. It does not go on a criminal record because it is not a crime that violates New York Penal Law or The United States Code (USC).
Again, anyone forcibly denied from actively exercising their inalienable 1st Amendment right to peaceable public assemblage and free speech is having their inalienable civil liberties violated. You will be alienating these individual American Citizens from their Constitutionally guaranteed freedom from government infringement while exercising free speech and the right to a peaceable assembly. It is clear that our demonstration is our legal right guaranteed by our Constitutional democratic federal republic.
Zuccotti Park is a public park. Is Brookfield Office Properties Inc. paying commercial property taxes on it? If it is zoned as a public park, it does not matter if it is privately-owned. While it is not being taxed as commercial property and is officially being used as a public park than it is legally a public area, -not public property per se, -but still a public area.
If it is a public area then The U.S. Constitution guarantees that local, state and federal government can not infringe on the inalienable right of the citizenry to peaceably assemble there in public while exercising their Constitutional rights. It would be Constitutionally illegal to remove anyone from a public area that is exercising first amendment rights to assemble peaceably and speak freely.
DO NOT ATTEMPT TO EVICT! IT IS AN ILLEGAL ACT OF GOVERNMENT. THIS IS A CALL TO CEASE AND DESIST FORCIBLY ALIENATING CITIZENRY OF THEIR 1st AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
Sincerely, We The People
Maybe OWS can demand a written response before being forced out of the park. This is only an idea but I think something along this type of strategy is hard to ignore and forces a response or at least a regrouping to see how they will act accordingly. It might make the mayor and NYPD stop to discuss it. It is a much more diplomatic approach to say, 'Hey, we're here, we're not going anywhere, let's sit and talk about the legality of your proposed tactics here in the open where everyone can see...
Please feel free to email this message to Bloomberg's office here:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/mayor.html
OR BETTER YET... If you have a fax machine, please fax this to his office
FAX (212) 312-0700
New Yorkers - please support all the protest! It´s our future, that Bloomberg is trying to wipe away. He has no right to do this. This is democracy - we the people rule! We´re not criminals! The criminals are these, we´re protesting against. Clean up the wallstreet, not us, Mr. Bloomberg - and remember - the world is watching your actions - close!
Called the Mayors office at 1-212-NEW-YORK. 10 minute wait time. Lady who answered the phone was very polite. Took down my comments (leave the OWS folks alone, they have a right to protest, they are cleaning the park, no forcible eviction please, First amendment rights violation, etc.). Took down name / telephone number, e-mail address for sending confirmation, address was optional. She provided reference number for the call. Said the information would be forwarded to Mayor Bloomberg. Confirmation e-mail from the City of New York said this: Message: CALLER STATES THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE IN WALL STREET BUT THEY ARE KEEPING THE PARK CLEAN. “I AM AGAINST THE EVICTION OF OCCUPY WALL STREET PROTESTORS. THIS IS A VIOLATION OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO ASSEMBLE PEACEFULLY. THE CITY SHOULD RESPECT THE 1ST AMENDMENT RIGHTS OF THE PROTESTORS OCCUPYING ZUCCOTTI PARK.” At: www.nyc.gov Contact info. for the Mayor…. Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg City Hall New York, NY 10007 PHONE 311 (or 212-NEW-YORK outside NYC)
FAX (212) 312-0700
E-MAIL: http://www.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/mayor.html
Can't we get a crew to clean up the steaming pile that is our nation? How about the animated fecal matter that is our Congress and Wall Street?
They want you all to move your camp site.How about moving camp to another location.Is there any area grounds in the area more than one location you know places to camp not so close to down town?Where you all could perhaps get permission to camp at, like if it was a concert festival etc meeting place perhaps private land close by to relocate to?Sombody has to own some land around there thats on "We The People", the 99% side.Or are you all going to not comply and try to hold your ground?I would vote to relocate camp and regroup more will join in with you any way,will need more room a bigger camp site any way. Is there any area grounds in the area more than one location you know places to camp not so close to down town?Where you all could get permission to camp at, like if it was a consert etc meeting place perhaps private land close by to relocate to where its alright to put up tents and have campers brought in like a camp grounds,fair grounds perhaps.With utilities etc.
PLEASE READ THIS: I think you are making a mistake standing your ground right now. IF they are saying that this is to "clean the park" you would score many many more points by saying "OK, fine, you want to clean the park? Fine. We'll march in the streets for 12/24 hours. We'll march to Central Park and back or something. But YOU need to keep your promise and keep this about what you say it is about: cleaning the park." And then LET them, this time. Since the media will be watching, if THEY go back on their word, then THEY look like jerks and you score a MAJOR PR win. You all MUST choose your battles carefully. This is an opportunity to show that YOU are reasonable and that THEY are the liars (if they are in fact lying about this). Unlike past protests, the media is watching nationwide. Please understand that if you stand your ground TOO early, then you've played right into their hands. You MUST consider giving them a chance to SHOW that they are not being honest. So SHOW the media that YOU are the reasonable ones, LET THEM "clean the park" but tell them that they have, say 24 hours to do so, and that after that you will be back. If they go back on their word then THEY look bad and Occupy scores a MAJOR PR WIN. Please, someone consider this. I am trying to be the voice of reason. This is a chance to show them for what they really are. You really need to keep this mature. Show that you are reasonable people and it will expose them. Again, choose your battles carefully. If they said you can come back, then take them up on it. If they then deny you that, you have a great case for the media. Please, PLEASE do not take the bait! Let them "clean the park" then in front of the entire media, you can show how they go against their word if they do and it will BOLSTER your case!
that's a pretty good idea actually.. i think... but based on the history of protests.. it's best if they stay there.. i think... what does michael moore say?
Yes, but in the history of protests, none have had this media coverage. Occupy needs to use this to their advantage by looking cooperative and giving THEM the rope to hang themselves with if they are being dishonest as to their reasons to want them to clear out. How will we ever know if we do not give them their chance to make good on their reasons? If all they want to do is clean the park, fine, let them. If they promise we can come back, fine, they better let us then. If not, THEN it's on AND we look good to the world AND they look like liars. We must be smart about this. (No offense,please, but what does Michael Moore have to do with any of this?)
We won - all our emails & calls worked. The cleaning has been canceled & postponed. The protesters are out there this morning cleaning with brooms the park. I would just be curious to see what Michael Moore's opinion was on the subject of the "cleaning" as he's very knowledgeable about the history of protests but others know as well.
This is for our dear friends in the city, and the others that can't be there with them!! This goes out to all of you! WE'RE THE FUTURE!!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1niTESoynQ
Here is a piece that I wrote on 10/7. I hope tomorrow does not prove to be prophetic when Bloomberg's Gestapo move in to "clean up". Please know there are millions more there with you heart and soul, but unfortunately can't be there in person. Be the stronger faction in this time of being tested. Keep fighting the good fight without resorting to a physical fight. Take care and God bless all of you. http://www.midnightdestiny.com/2011/10/occupy-wall-street.html
They want you all to move your camp site.How about moving camp to another location.Is there any area grounds in the area more than one location you know places to camp not so close to down town?Where you all could perhaps get permission to camp at, like if it was a concert festival etc meeting place perhaps private land close by to relocate to?Sombody has to own some land around there thats on "We The People", the 99% side.Or are you all going to not comply and try to hold your ground?I would vote to relocate camp and regroup more will join in with you any way,will need more room a bigger camp site any way. Is there any area grounds in the area more than one location you know places to camp not so close to down town?Where you all could get permission to camp at, like if it was a consert etc meeting place perhaps private land close by to relocate to where its alright to put up tents and have campers brought in like a camp grounds,fair grounds perhaps.With utilities etc.
“In a nation run by swine, all pigs are upward-mobile and the rest of us are fucked until we can put our acts together: not necessarily to win, but mainly to keep from losing completely.” ― Hunter S. Thompson, The Great Shark Hunt: Strange Tales from a Strange Time
Hold your ground.
Mayor for Life Mike is taking a page out of Boss Daley's old book. Not to mention the thuggish tactics of Boston's finest.
He will not succeed. The rebirth of democracy taking place in New York and in cities across the country is bigger than his billions.
Here is a piece that I wrote on 10/7. I hope tomorrow does not prove to be prophetic when Bloomberg's Gestapo move in to "clean up". Please know there are millions more there with you heart and soul, but unfortunately can't be there in person. Be the stronger faction in this time of being tested. Keep fighting the good fight without resorting to a physical fight. Take care and God bless all of you. http://www.midnightdestiny.com/2011/10/occupy-wall-street.html
Mayor for Life Mike is taking a page out of Boss Daley's old book. Not to mention the thuggish tactics of Boston's finest.
He will not succeed. The rebirth of democracy taking place in New York and in cities across the country is bigger than his billions.
Here is a piece that I wrote on 10/7. I hope tomorrow does not prove to be prophetic when Bloomberg's Gestapo move in to "clean up". Please know there are millions more there with you heart and soul, but unfortunately can't be there in person. Be the stronger faction in this time of being tested. Keep fighting the good fight without resorting to a physical fight. Take care and God bless all of you. http://www.midnightdestiny.com/2011/10/occupy-wall-street.html
We hope you be successful in your activity. Certainly God helps you.
Again, there is no SURE way for the police to leak documents/information from inside this repressive operation. W-T-F??. They can't help us, even if they were DYING to do so. W-T-F??
It's UNDENIABLE that leaked information from within crackdown will be more important than our blind-ass guesses.
Make sure these "99%" policeman know how to SAFELY leak info. whenever they get near the park.
DON'T create the situation where Bloomberg can send in the muscle, with NO penalty. Hold up signs. Or pass out pamphlets to any New Yorker about leaking inside info. on this crackdown!
Yesterday, free trade agreements were made with South Korea, Columbia, and Panama (another great place to stash money). Think there will be any more outsourcing? McCain (R) and Hagan (D) have proposed a tax holiday so corporations can bring some of their trillions of dollars back into the country at a lower tax rate. Think tanks both left AND right have said they believe this will not create jobs but will cost taxpayers approximately $10 million. In 2004, Bush also allowed a "tax holiday" for corporations. Most found loopholes and paid nothing and few jobs (if any) were created. But I'm sure everything will be just peachy if we all just sit and keep believing that the 1% and crooked politicians will not take more.
Bloomberg's girlfriend Diana Taylor sits on the board of directors of Brookfield Properties. http://www.brookfieldofficeproperties.com/content/corporate_governance/board_of_directors-16350.html?Page=2 Explains a lot
OWS is in Zuccotti Park (formerly know as Liberty Plaza) privately owned, publicly accessible park in Lower Manhattan in New York City. After renovations in 2006, the park was renamed by its current owners, Brookfield Office Properties, after company chairman John Zuccotti. OWS has had a sanitation crew the entire time they have occupied. Tonight they cloroxed and scrubbed everything. The park was established in a wave of development that spurred corporate plazas after changes were made to the city’s zoning laws in the early 1960s. The laws generally give real estate developers zoning concessions in exchange for public space. And while the developer did not win the right to build a larger structure in exchange for the park, it was given leeway on certain height and setback restrictions. About half of the privately owned plazas are required to be open 24 hours a day, according to the Department of City Planning. Should have made a better "deal" I suppose.
Impeach Bloomberg. It's a goal, a worthwhile strategy, and he deserves it. It can be done before the next election. He needs to be on the defensive, he is a billionaire, and he has undermined an election with his money. This should be goal # 1, let's figure out how to do it.
PLEASE READ THIS: I think you are making a mistake standing your ground right now. IF they are saying that this is to "clean the park" you would score many many more points by saying "OK, fine, you want to clean the park? Fine. We'll march in the streets for 12 hours. We'll march to Central Park and back or something. But YOU need to keep your promise and keep this about what you say it is about: cleaning the park." And then LET them, this time. Since the media will be watching, if THEY go back on their word, then THEY look like jerks and you score a MAJOR PR win. You all MUST choose your battles carefully. This is an opportunity to show that YOU are reasonable and that THEY are the liars (if they are in fact lying about this). Unlike past protests, the media is watching nationwide. Please understand that if you stand your ground TOO early, then you've played right into their hands. You MUST consider giving them a chance to SHOW that they are not being honest. So SHOW the media that YOU are the reasonable ones, LET THEM "clean the park" but tell them that they have, say 24 hours to do so, and that after that you will be back. If they go back on their word then THEY look bad and Occupy scores a MAJOR PR WIN. Please, someone consider this. I am trying to be the voice of reason.
Occupy Contra Costa 99% (California) is putting out the word - we are with you, our sisters and brothers, defend the occupation! contracosta99.wordpress.com
Bloomberg wants to be President. It ain't ever gonna happen now. Make sure he knows that if this happens his political life is over.
The other thing I think would be kind of cool is do like the Iraqi's did (when Iraq was invaded) and just fade into the woodwork. Don't tell the media. Tomorrow morning reporters show up and there is not a soul in sight. Who knows, maybe Bloomberg would declare "mission accomplished." Keep em guessing for a few days and reform at another park and carry on. Who cares where it is. More important is what it is.
Employ Flash Mobs
"The flashmob tactic was tried here in Panama couple of years ago by the SUNTRACS construction workers union, and with very small groups pre-planted all over the city they drove the police absolutely crazy. Police would show up at location A, mob would disperse immediately, two text messages and now TWO flashmobs would block streets at different locations. They never followed up with it (preferring massive marches to display force) but it worked very well and with much less people than #ows has available. [courtesy: Okke] "
The owner of Zuccotti Park is Brookfield Office Properties (https://www.brookfieldofficeproperties.com/content/contact-2908.html), a subsidiary of Brookfield Asset Management (https://www.brookfield.com/content/corporate/contact_us-27.html). Their NY headquarters is located on the 11th floor of the Three World Financial Center on 200 Vesey Street (Tel: 212-417-7000; Fax: 212-417-7214). New York City consented to the park's development as long as Brookfield agreed to operate it as a public venue that would be open 24 hours a day.
PLEASE READ THIS: I think you are making a mistake standing your ground right now. IF they are saying that this is to "clean the park" you would score many many more points by saying "OK, fine, you want to clean the park? Fine. We'll march in the streets for 12 hours. We'll march to Central Park and back or something. But YOU need to keep your promise and keep this about what you say it is about: cleaning the park." And then LET them, this time. Since the media will be watching, if THEY go back on their word, then THEY look like jerks and you score a MAJOR PR win. You all MUST choose your battles carefully. This is an opportunity to show that YOU are reasonable and that THEY are the liars (if they are in fact lying about this). Unlike past protests, the media is watching nationwide. Please understand that if you stand your ground TOO early, then you've played right into their hands. You MUST consider giving them a chance to SHOW that they are not being honest. So SHOW the media that YOU are the reasonable ones, LET THEM "clean the park" but tell them that they have, say 24 hours to do so, and that after that you will be back. If they go back on their word then THEY look bad and Occupy scores a MAJOR PR WIN. Please, someone consider this. I am trying to be the voice of reason.
Exactly! Lets prolong the occupation! This is the revolution of the century. The Wall-Street Occupations are going national and global. We should do whatever it takes to make our voices heard. We are not protesting or rioting, we are occupying a piece of the city to establish a political agenda. Never give up. Lets continue to protest with non-violence, have alot more signs. Since we are a example for other cities we must continue doing whats right. Cooperate Funding should stay away from Politics. Politicians should earn our vote. Elites of this country are dictating the decisions being made, the board of trustees in many universities are made up of rich uneducated people rising college tuition. We as Americans have the right of speech and assembly. Our rights are being tossed away... Lets occupy more and have more cities to join the cause.
Y'all need to take a bath and get a job!
We NEED you for October 15th. PLEASE, don't get arrested unnecessarily. Just move to Bryant Park!!
Support and Solidarity from Germany Dont give up! I visited OWS last week and was impressed from you guys, who are doing a great job. That the mayor tries to chase you away, means that he is real pissed of from the peaceful demonstrationj. Now he is trying it with fragile excuses. Dont give up. Telling the world, that only 1 % in the world has the money and the power, but the 99% can change something, if we stick together. And that the mayor is pissed off of you guys, can mean that the Wall Street manager put him under pressue and that he gets money from the Wall Street mafia.
You have my support ....... Stand up for a better world and less corruption in the world.
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Honestly, you think you are making a difference... Most americans think this is a mokery and a democratic ploy... YOU are being used... I totally understand your frustrations, and sympathise with your plight, but you are a mockery... Obama is loving this as his cronies are totally supporting your fight in NYC. They would sing a different tune if you could organise in DC. Do you realize that the first stimulus to bail car companies, banks and green companies that declared bankruptcy would have supplied every man, woman and child US citizen $3500.00! And the currently proposed stimulus would give an additional $1500.00 to everyone! $5000.00 to every person in the USA. Instead, that money was wasted, and you, we owe that in US debt. 14 Trillion dollars, and the banks lost a few billion... Who are the real losers here... Of course we are, but not due to wall street or the banks. All of the assets of all the millionaires and billionairs and banks and corporations and networks and everyone else does not equal 14 trillion dollars... Yet we owe that to our debtors, the biggest being China... Use this cause to make a difference, but knock on the right door...
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Oh, good. I would like some fried cheese to start out with.....well no, wait.....do you suppose that has alot of fat in it? I guess I will have the Southwestern Eggrolls....can you make sure the avocado ranch dressing is on the side? And lets get the triple dipper for my wife. She is a little woman but she eats like an over-the-road trucker. And I think I will have a coke.....Maybe she wants tea, so lets go with that.
You people need to get a life and move on... hey, guess what? There were millionaires before 2008... The crisis didn't occur due to a few greedy SOBs, it occured due to policies adopted by fannie may and freddie mack, both government institutions. The Government has not done a thing about it, and they are still holding this country down. Go to Washington, and camp out in front of the White House... Take the fight to where it belongs. Bankers followed the rules, and didn't break any laws. Big Government is the one to blame here. Remember when W proclaimed that more people owned homes now than ever before??? Government forcing mortgage companies to take unqualified loan apps and approve them. Those who do not learn from history are destined to repeat it.... Causes require clues... Get one!
IN SOLIDARITY FROM DC, my message to Bloomberg office: To all who are in power to make a conscious decision regarding the eviction of the Occupy Wall Street Movement from the park that has been peacefully occupied since September 17th in NY: I reject the characterization of everyone who supports this movement as "hippie, jobless, bust-outs". I am 50 years old, earn a good paycheck and pay my taxes and I SUPPORT THIS MOVEMENT. I also respect the right of each individual, regardless of their age, race, religion, sexual orientation, job status, etc. etc. to voice their own opinion based on their own experience. While there has been a huge campaign in the US to perpetuate an anti-bullying campaign and to create awareness of its effects on our children...please know that the world is watching as you decide how to treat those that have chosen to assert their constitutional rights in a peaceful manner. PLEASE DON'T BE THE BULLIES IN THIS SITUATION! I have supported the Occupy DC movement peacefully...I have taken part in a peaceful march, have provided food for those occupying our own parks and I will continue in a peaceful manner. Please discard the "just because I can" power stance and realize that the people that you are making a conscious choice to disregard will not go away...we are human beings and deserve your respect! You may not agree with every message but PLEASE AGREE WITH THE RIGHT TO EXPRESS DIVERSE OPINIONS by our very diverse population...otherwise our country is truly doomed. You are human beings also! Please allow that human to human consciousness re-emerge in spite of insightful messages that you may have received in response to the decision which was announced earlier. This can be resolved peacefully... and YOU have the power to see that outcome through.
i like the Special Ops guys plan.
also, all you should take note of "battle seattle":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Organization_Ministerial_Conference_of_1999_protest_activity
they planned for months. granted they did not have the technology of today, but they really put the city up for grabs.
just be careful to police yourselves. what really brought the Seattle protests to another level was a few who got out of hand with stupid vandalism. make sure nobody gets wrapped up in the moment and takes it a step further.
KEEP IT FRIENDLY and cool...like it has been all of you started.
actually, you might want to consider the human wall at the park and the roaming flash mobs.
IN SOLIDARITY FROM DC, my message to Bloomberg office: To all who are in power to make a conscious decision regarding the eviction of the Occupy Wall Street Movement from the park that has been peacefully occupied since September 17th in NY: I reject the characterization of everyone who supports this movement as "hippie, jobless, bust-outs". I am 50 years old, earn a good paycheck and pay my taxes and I SUPPORT THIS MOVEMENT. I also respect the right of each individual, regardless of their age, race, religion, sexual orientation, job status, etc. etc. to voice their own opinion based on their own experience. While there has been a huge campaign in the US to perpetuate an anti-bullying campaign and to create awareness of its effects on our children...please know that the world is watching as you decide how to treat those that have chosen to assert their constitutional rights in a peaceful manner. PLEASE DON'T BE THE BULLIES IN THIS SITUATION! I have supported the Occupy DC movement peacefully...I have taken part in a peaceful march, have provided food for those occupying our own parks and I will continue in a peaceful manner. Please discard the "just because I can" power stance and realize that the people that you are making a conscious choice to disregard will not go away...we are human beings and deserve your respect! You may not agree with every message but PLEASE AGREE WITH THE RIGHT TO EXPRESS DIVERSE OPINIONS by our very diverse population...otherwise our country is truly doomed. You are human beings also! Please allow that human to human consciousness re-emerge in spite of insightful messages that you may have received in response to the decision which was announced earlier. This can be resolved peacefully... and YOU have the power to see that outcome through.
Please consider Sun Tzu Art of War Strategies in your pursuit of trying to keep your occupation of Wall Street alive,but do so peacefully. For tommorrow, " Turn your opponents strengths into their weakness"
You guys are so much smarter than Bloomberg and the police state there and have truth and morale clarity on your side. Use your intellect to defeat your enemy who has brute strength and force.
Here are some other thoughts. God Bless you and pull of this strategy peacefully.
To find and exploit an enemy's weakness requires a deep understanding of their leaders' strategy, capabilities, thoughts, and desires and a similar depth of knowledge of one's own strengths and weaknesses. It is critical to study the minds of the opposing generals and understand how they will react to one's moves. It is also important to understand the environment and terrain which will be contested.
Why not go here to send a message to Bloomberg? http://www.nyc.gov/portal/site/nycgov/menuitem.bd08ee7c7c1ffec87c4b36d501c789a0/index.jsp?doc_name=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyc.gov%2Fhtml%2Fmail%2Fhtml%2Fmayor.html
Stay strong - power to the people. Don't let Wall Street and the corporations get the upper hand.
Keep the fight going. We live in Montreal, but we will be there next Saturday. By using the blueprint of the the Arab spring, they cannot possibly publically utilize force that THEY condemned those governments for using. Just don't retaliate. The only way to win this, is to remain passive. Rush, Cantor, et al are drooling for the opportunity to prove that we are the thugs. Stay calm. We all support u, even if we can't be there yet. But we will be going to the one in Montreal Saturday. Stay safe.
Huge tactical error. Haven't you ever seen BRAVEHEART? You split your forces into two parts. Call back the dogs from Wash Sq. Better get big Al back down there too...
TO THOSE WHO PLAN TO GET ARRESTED: be prepared to be held for a couple of days. They can't keep everyone, but they might be able to hold some of you. Don't give them any additional reason to. Leave your drugs at home, this was already a rule. Give your name and address, or give them your ID. Don't bring possessions you want to keep - you heard what happened in Boston, right? Back up your SIM cards and get a cheap cell phone (one of the ones they sell for prepaid plans maybe). Take pictures, take videos, take advantage of your right to remain silent. Bring disposable cameras.
TO THOSE WHO DO NOT PLAN TO GET ARRESTED: Get all your warm clothes together. Dress in a lot of them. Bring some to share. Don't carry a backpack when you come back after the arrests and cleaning. Don't carry anything that doesn't fit in your pockets. Bring a lot of pockets. Bring snacks. Bring aspirin or ibuprofen; people who have been arrested might have headaches from getting banged around. They don't want you to bring sleeping bags or "personal effects" fine. They can't take what you are wearing. Prepare to be uncomfortably warm during the day and/or uncomfortably cold at night. Prepare to have this happen again. Help those who are imprisoned by figuring out logistics while they're away - the nearest bathrooms, the nearest cheap or free food. The city may take away the food supply, they may take away tents, and backpacks, and anything they can possibly restrict. Prepare for that. The next few days are vital. We need people to be back out there as soon as the NYPD has finished cleaning.
Where can we send money if anyone needs to be bailed out of jail? I know there are a lot of us that can't be there but want to help. Please post information on this website. GOOD LUCK and REMAIN PEACEFUL
Perhaps Bloomberg needs a high colonic, that should clean things up
Bloomberg disturbed the freedom of speak and demonstrating. Take actions against Bloomberg and all other Bloombergs Use his money to help the poor, the weakest, the workers and children. 15 oktober there will be Occupy Wallstreet actions in the Netherlands in Amsterdam, Rotterdam, The Hague and Utrecht for supporting you, Occupy Wallstreet and against the robbery of the citizens by the rich elite and their government. US and EU are the same
Bloomberg disturbed the freedom of speak and demonstrating. Take actions against Bloomberg and all other Bloombergs Use his money to help the poor, the weakest, the workers and children. 15 oktober there will be Occupy Wallstreet actions in the Netherlands in Amsterdam, Rotterdam, The Hague and Utrecht for supporting you, Occupy Wallstreet and against the robbery of the citizens by the rich elite and their government. US and EU are the same
It's only going to take one Governor from one state to send in the Nat'l Guard for this powder keg to go off. And i can't wait. i can't wait for the ARNG to come in a clean up on these low-life brutal NYPD cops. Unfortunately this isn't going to be the state. We should move to another state that has a GOP Mayor and Dem Governor.
stand the ground. don't budge. let's see how large this can get. i'll see you there. and i hope Anthony Bologna is there too.
Lobby Democracy stands with our brothers and sisters in New York City. We wish that we could be there with you. You have inspired the nation to action. You have moved the minds and hearts of America. Whatever happens tomorrow, we will still be standing with you and carrying on.
I read that the park is private-owned. If so, who owns it? If the owner has not told you not to bring certain things inside, how can Bloomberg and the NYPD? Does the owner of the park get federal funds? If so, can the Justice Department do something? Can President Obama issue an emergency executive order? Put you heads together and think about a solution. It might sound a bit crackpot, but is there anyway the air space above the ground can be used? What did the people who lived in Hooversville do? Were they forced out? Remember what Napoleon said, "The spirit is mightier than the sword, and when the two are in conflict, the spirit ultimately wins." USE MIND POWER! IF ONE PERSON'S MIND POWER CAN BEEN A SPOON. SURELY, ALL OF THE OCCUPIERS -- UNIFIED MINDS CAN MOVE BLOOMBERG AND THE NYPD WITHOUT VIOLENCE.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." John F. Kennedy
We all stand with you in this hour of confrontation. Stay non-violent but resist like hell!
Gayle Chapel Hill NC
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If you can not get through by phone contact Mayor Bloomberg by email or fax to urge him not to clear the park of our protest. Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg City Hall New York, NY 10007 PHONE 311 (or 212-NEW-YORK outside NYC)
FAX (212) 312-0700
E-MAIL: http://www.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/mayor.html
Hello all & Peace I am a lifelong New Yorker and no stranger to protest. I support OWS wholeheartedly but believe the park must be allowed to be cleaned to Brookfield's satisfaction. I believe the rules must be challenged. No lying on the ground? This is an opportunity to show class. Demonstrate this is not meaningless impotent rhetoric but, real alternatives. There is certainly enough resources to pursue a stay and legal challenge. The park was created in exchange for air rights. it is not a wholly private affair. OWS shouldn't move. Liberty Plaza is a symbolic location. should assist in clean up and upkeep. Should use funds to replace the sink at the establishment & pay $1 per person for use of bathroom & upkeep & supplies.
Challenge the administration to react. This is standard tactic. Must use alternative moves. What happened to thinking three steps ahead? Must be like water. Allow the cleaning . . . . .then return!
Please don't surrender Our TARPS. Re-purpose them into ponchos large enough for two people to join together, and provide for a third. A wearable safe space. Warm clothes in layers. Sleeping bags worn as cloaks or capes. You are allowed to have things!
It's a park, not a campground for unemployed hippies. The park rules are clear about that, regardless of your agenda. Police are kicking the miscreants out tomorrow morning. Good riddance. No one is above the law.
But this is an emergency. all bets are off
really important issues are being addressed and to you history is; they obeyed/didn't obey the park laws. you are twee and insane.
THIS IS THE CATALYST!
OccupyWallStreet is now acclimated and the fun is over. Here is your moment!!!!
FOR FREEDOM!!
"NYPD Police Commissioner Ray Kelly has said that they will move in to clear us and we will not be allowed to take sleeping bags, tarps, personal items or gear back into the park." You guys need the ACLU with you when you are told what you will do by this Police Commis. . You need to know your rights... Since when do you not have a right to carry a back pack with a lap top in it or cellphone (personal items or gear) Someone needs to tell the Commis...what you have a right to do...Has that happened yet? You need counsel with you every time they tell you what you will do... I am so proud of you all... I am 62 and wish so much that I could be there. My post keep being deleted here and I don't know why....I am an activist from the Gulf Coast and have been fighting BP for well over a year...Am I being deleted because I have mentioned that ? Or is it because I have shared what the conditions continue to be down here?? This is the LAST place I expected to be deleted... lol FB knows my number lol and they delete some of what I say also.. Perhaps someone is following me all over the net lol...
Agreed. Some of the post get lost.So many supporter and trolls are posting. The ones that get the most responce,stay. Plenty of mine have been lost too.You're not alone,and Ive been supporting you in the Gulf. British Pet. needs to kicked out of the country. Consumers,don't by BP Oil !
Thank you so much for updating me in. the process here..and Thank You for the support for the Coast... BP needs to be held accountable for the lives their actions have taken and are taking... marine, land animals and human lives..They have "Donated" dollars to all who they wanted their cooperation from... Free clinics etc... No one can get the proper diagnosis along the coast... Blood work has shown the oil chemicals within everyones bodies along the Gulf Coast. Media has treated us just as they are treating OWS... This is very much a part of the OWS issue....
Please go to this site to find out how to contact Bloomberg
http://www.nyc.gov/portal/site/nycgov/menuitem.bd08ee7c7c1ffec87c4b36d501c789a0/index.jsp?doc_name=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyc.gov%2Fhtml%2Fom%2Fhtml%2Fcontact_the_mayor.html
""""""Bloomberg says that the park will be open for public usage following the cleaning, but with a notable caveat: Occupy Wall Street participants must follow the “rules”."""""
Park will be open for public usage? WHAT THE HELL ARE THE PROTESTERS DOING???? THEY ARE THE PUBLIC!!!!
I do agree. Clean the park. Ask for local garbage to stop by so you may throw away trash. This will REALLY bite Bloomberg ass!! If they do not let you clean up, please get your video cameras ready. If you do disperse, REUNITE again!!
Shine a light shine a light Shine a light won't you shine a light Philadelphia freedom I love you, yes I do
Elton John -Philadelphia Freedom -1975
Here is my simple idea on how we as a nation can start a "Shine a Light" supporting movement for Occupy Wall Street and bring attention to this forceable eviction!
"Shine Your Head Lights in Solidarity for Occupy Wall Street"
Organizers of Occupy Wall Street should pick the day. The supporting movement would be a well coordinated effort of all in support of the Occupy movement to drive their cars during daylight hour with their headlights turned on.
Support for the Occupy Wall Street movement is at over 54% with many in this country still unaware of what it stands for.
The purpose of "Shine a Light" in support of Occupy Wall Street will be three fold:
WE WILL SHALL SHINE A BRIGHT LIGHT ON THE CORRUPTION OF OUR GOVERNMENT AND THE UNHOLY ALLIANCE BETWEEN WALL STREET AND WASHINGTON.
SHOW SOLIDARITY FOR THE OCCUPY WALL STREET MOVEMENT THAT IS HAPPENING ACROSS THE NATION
BRING ATTENTION TO THE UNAWARE AND UNIFORMED IN THIS COUNTRY AND START A CONVERSATION WITH THEM
The above is the heart of my idea. Here are some administrative thoughts. Obviously this would need to be coordinated through all Occupy Locations, social media as well as traditional media. I have personally sent a copy of this email to every cable and politically active blog I could. It is my sincere hope they will get this idea to the right person. The time and place would be set well in advance so as for as many people to know about it in advance. This will be a day light operation obviously.
Nothing could be more peaceful and easy for someone to participate in than this. It could be a catalyst for those on the sidelines in this country.
On a lighter note, while I was searching for clip art or images of cars with day time headlights on, I also found some excellent photos of funeral processions with all of the cars head lights on except for the hearse. The movement described above could also be symbolic of the Death of our Democracy, with the hearse being our democratic government and the cars with headlights representing the people of the procession in mourning.
For those of us that me jaded or think this might be just to simple for their tastes, I say think about it. If say The Rachael Maddow or KO from current TV got the word out on this; how excited would you be to go out that day with your lights on supporting Occupy Wall Street. Just picture the first car coming your way in the opposite direction with the lights on " I can see the hands waving and hear the horns blowing as we pass by." I was at Occupy Charlotte on Sat. Oct 3rd. and as traffic came down the street blowing their horns in support it energized all of us! Anyway if you feel as I do, and that there is value to this very simple idea please circulate this.
Thank You Bob Cooper
P.S. In the spirit of "This is What Democracy Looks Like" Could some one there read the first couple points of this idea at your gatherings. Thank You for all your doing. I will be there in a two weeks and didn't think this should wait.
Shine a light shine a light Shine a light won't you shine a light Philadelphia freedom I love you, yes I do
Elton John -Philadelphia Freedom -1975
Here is my simple idea on how we as a nation can start a "Shine a Light" supporting movement for Occupy Wall Street and bring attention to this forceable eviction!
"Shine Your Head Lights in Solidarity for Occupy Wall Street"
Organizers of Occupy Wall Street should pick the day. The supporting movement would be a well coordinated effort of all in support of the Occupy movement to drive their cars during daylight hour with their headlights turned on.
Support for the Occupy Wall Street movement is at over 54% with many in this country still unaware of what it stands for.
The purpose of "Shine a Light" in support of Occupy Wall Street will be three fold:
WE WILL SHALL SHINE A BRIGHT LIGHT ON THE CORRUPTION OF OUR GOVERNMENT AND THE UNHOLY ALLIANCE BETWEEN WALL STREET AND WASHINGTON.
SHOW SOLIDARITY FOR THE OCCUPY WALL STREET MOVEMENT THAT IS HAPPENING ACROSS THE NATION
BRING ATTENTION TO THE UNAWARE AND UNIFORMED IN THIS COUNTRY AND START A CONVERSATION WITH THEM
The above is the heart of my idea. Here are some administrative thoughts. Obviously this would need to be coordinated through all Occupy Locations, social media as well as traditional media. I have personally sent a copy of this email to every cable and politically active blog I could. It is my sincere hope they will get this idea to the right person. The time and place would be set well in advance so as for as many people to know about it in advance. This will be a day light operation obviously.
Nothing could be more peaceful and easy for someone to participate in than this. It could be a catalyst for those on the sidelines in this country.
On a lighter note, while I was searching for clip art or images of cars with day time headlights on, I also found some excellent photos of funeral processions with all of the cars head lights on except for the hearse. The movement described above could also be symbolic of the Death of our Democracy, with the hearse being our democratic government and the cars with headlights representing the people of the procession in mourning.
For those of us that me jaded or think this might be just to simple for their tastes, I say think about it. If say The Rachael Maddow or KO from current TV got the word out on this; how excited would you be to go out that day with your lights on supporting Occupy Wall Street. Just picture the first car coming your way in the opposite direction with the lights on " I can see the hands waving and hear the horns blowing as we pass by." I was at Occupy Charlotte on Sat. Oct 3rd. and as traffic came down the street blowing their horns in support it energized all of us! Anyway if you feel as I do, and that there is value to this very simple idea please circulate this.
Thank You Bob Cooper
P.S. In the spirit of "This is What Democracy Looks Like" Could some one there read the first couple points of this idea at your gatherings. Thank You for all your doing. I will be there in a two weeks and didn't think this should wait.
dont let em take u or ur shit, if u got to sumtyms its necessary to start the revolution even in peaceful measures, to turn wat was once pacifist to defending ur fucking self and the rest of the enslaved american ppl (who are still unfortunately asleep to even fucking grasp the hugeness of this) it will not be as so many pacifists say, that u are using their methods and turning into them using their tactics of "violence" since wen has violence, more like not being attacked and kicked down anymore, owned by only one group!? thats the whole fucking point stand up for ur lyfe, ur liberty, right to free speech, property, and right to bear arms!!! thats what jefferson even said. tell em--show em it is not for one group to decided and solely, exclusively "own" "using violent tactics" show em the ppl can b just as cruel and mean right back, that we aint fucking dogs and we tired of being penned like cattle, fight fire with fire the tym is now ppl its now or never u can either let this b and let ppl go back to their homes and let us end up like Ghost in the Robot or sum fucking disgusting robot society, or u can say enuf is enuf, I want to be free in free communities with other free ppl! Take those bastards down!!
Does anyone know if emailing is just as effective? I don't know why but I got a little nervous when I waiting on the phone to talk to someone. I wasn't sure who I would end up talking to?
I did email him at this address: http://www.nyc.gov/portal/site/nycgov/menuitem.bd08ee7c7c1ffec87c4b36d501c789a0/index.jsp?doc_name=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyc.gov%2Fhtml%2Fmail%2Fhtml%2Fmayor.html
I tried the suggested phone number and got no where. However, I did find this link http://www.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/mayor.html which I used to submit my complaint that he should not close the park to OWS protesters after cleanup. The page has a form for sending him an email. It worked. But you have to wait a minute or so after hitting the submit button.
I have no idea if this will help the OWS protesters but at least it is one avenue.
I also sent a email to the White house requesting Obama talk to Bloomberg to allow the protest to continue. At
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact
Shine a light shine a light Shine a light won't you shine a light Philadelphia freedom I love you, yes I do
Elton John -Philadelphia Freedom -1975
This is a forcible eviction of the OccupyWallStreet movement is pathetic and transparent attempt to shut down the entire movement.
Here is my simple idea on how we as a nation can start a "Shine a Light" supporting movement for Occupy Wall Street.
"Shine Your Head Lights in Solidarity for Occupy Wall Street"
Organizers of Occupy Wall Street should pick the day. The supporting movement would be a well coordinated effort of all in support of the Occupy movement to drive their cars during daylight hour with their headlights turned on.
Support for the Occupy Wall Street movement is at over 54% with many in this country still unaware of what it stands for.
The purpose of "Shine a Light" in support of Occupy Wall Street will be three fold:
WE WILL SHALL SHINE A BRIGHT LIGHT ON THE CORRUPTION OF OUR GOVERNMENT AND THE UNHOLY ALLIANCE BETWEEN WALL STREET AND WASHINGTON.
SHOW SOLIDARITY FOR THE OCCUPY WALL STREET MOVEMENT THAT IS HAPPENING ACROSS THE NATION
BRING ATTENTION TO THE UNAWARE AND UNIFORMED IN THIS COUNTRY AND START A CONVERSATION WITH THEM
The above is the heart of my idea. Here are some administrative thoughts. Obviously this would need to be coordinated through all Occupy Locations, social media as well as traditional media. I have personally sent a copy of this email to every cable and politically active blog I could. It is my sincere hope they will get this idea to the right person. The time and place would be set well in advance so as for as many people to know about it in advance. This will be a day light operation obviously.
Nothing could be more peaceful and easy for someone to participate in than this. It could be a catalyst for those on the sidelines in this country.
On a lighter note, while I was searching for clip art or images of cars with day time headlights on, I also found some excellent photos of funeral processions with all of the cars head lights on except for the hearse. The movement described above could also be symbolic of the Death of our Democracy, with the hearse being our democratic government and the cars with headlights representing the people of the procession in mourning.
For those of us that me jaded or think this might be just to simple for their tastes, I say think about it. If say The Rachael Maddow or KO from current TV got the word out on this; how excited would you be to go out that day with your lights on supporting Occupy Wall Street. Just picture the first car coming your way in the opposite direction with the lights on " I can see the hands waving and hear the horns blowing as we pass by." I was at Occupy Charlotte on Sat. Oct 3rd. and as traffic came down the street blowing their horns in support it energized all of us! Anyway if you feel as I do, and that there is value to this very simple idea please circulate this.
Thank You Bob Cooper
P.S. In the spirit of "This is What Democracy Looks Like" Could some one there read the first couple points of this idea at your gatherings. Thank You for all your doing. I will be there in a two weeks and didn't think this should wait..
Shine a light shine a light Shine a light won't you shine a light Philadelphia freedom I love you, yes I do
Elton John -Philadelphia Freedom -1975
This is a forcible eviction of the OccupyWallStreet movement is pathetic and transparent attempt to shut down the entire movement.
Here is my simple idea on how we as a nation can start a "Shine a Light" supporting movement for Occupy Wall Street.
"Shine Your Head Lights in Solidarity for Occupy Wall Street"
Organizers of Occupy Wall Street should pick the day. The supporting movement would be a well coordinated effort of all in support of the Occupy movement to drive their cars during daylight hour with their headlights turned on.
Support for the Occupy Wall Street movement is at over 54% with many in this country still unaware of what it stands for.
The purpose of "Shine a Light" in support of Occupy Wall Street will be three fold:
WE WILL SHALL SHINE A BRIGHT LIGHT ON THE CORRUPTION OF OUR GOVERNMENT AND THE UNHOLY ALLIANCE BETWEEN WALL STREET AND WASHINGTON.
SHOW SOLIDARITY FOR THE OCCUPY WALL STREET MOVEMENT THAT IS HAPPENING ACROSS THE NATION
BRING ATTENTION TO THE UNAWARE AND UNIFORMED IN THIS COUNTRY AND START A CONVERSATION WITH THEM
The above is the heart of my idea. Here are some administrative thoughts. Obviously this would need to be coordinated through all Occupy Locations, social media as well as traditional media. I have personally sent a copy of this email to every cable and politically active blog I could. It is my sincere hope they will get this idea to the right person. The time and place would be set well in advance so as for as many people to know about it in advance. This will be a day light operation obviously.
Nothing could be more peaceful and easy for someone to participate in than this. It could be a catalyst for those on the sidelines in this country.
On a lighter note, while I was searching for clip art or images of cars with day time headlights on, I also found some excellent photos of funeral processions with all of the cars head lights on except for the hearse. The movement described above could also be symbolic of the Death of our Democracy, with the hearse being our democratic government and the cars with headlights representing the people of the procession in mourning.
For those of us that me jaded or think this might be just to simple for their tastes, I say think about it. If say The Rachael Maddow or KO from current TV got the word out on this; how excited would you be to go out that day with your lights on supporting Occupy Wall Street. Just picture the first car coming your way in the opposite direction with the lights on " I can see the hands waving and hear the horns blowing as we pass by." I was at Occupy Charlotte on Sat. Oct 3rd. and as traffic came down the street blowing their horns in support it energized all of us! Anyway if you feel as I do, and that there is value to this very simple idea please circulate this.
Thank You Bob Cooper
P.S. In the spirit of "This is What Democracy Looks Like" Could some one there read the first couple points of this idea at your gatherings. Thank You for all your doing. I will be there in a two weeks and didn't think this should wait..
Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg City Hall New York, NY 10007 PHONE 311 (or 212-NEW-YORK outside NYC)
FAX (212) 312-0700
E-MAIL: http://www.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/mayor.html
Contact mayor Bloomberg... http://www.nyc.gov/portal/site/nycgov/menuitem.bd08ee7c7c1ffec87c4b36d501c789a0/index.jsp?doc_name=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyc.gov%2Fhtml%2Fom%2Fhtml%2Fcontact_the_mayor.html
Called.
Spoke to Rosemary.
She wrote down my comments and said she was emailing them to the mayor's office. I have been a resident since 2000.
I gave my address and phone number. (If you are a resident, do this, I think the message gets 'full credit' that way.) I said I support the protestors and wish for them not to be removed for any purpose.
Somebody with the legal team needs to file for a pre-emptive injunction pursuant to Section 713(3) of the N.Y. Real Prop. Action Law to prevent the UNLAWFUL EVICTION of the SQUATTERS in the park.
The law provides the squaters a right to a 10 day notice of eviction that MUST BE SERVED UPON THEM INDIVIDUALLY in accordance with the law.
We need to get into a Manhattan Night Court and file for a pre-emptive INJUNCTION for FAILURE TO FOLLOW SUMMARY PROCEEDING procedures.
I would do it, but I'm 300 miles away.
Somebody on the legal team in NYC needs to get on the stick.
The protestors have been in ADVERSE POSSESSION of the park since September 17, 2011, and have Squatters rights.
Keep posting this until someone answers. Good info.
Yesterday, the Park authorities gave them a four-month extension. Did they know that Bloomberg was going to make this move and therefore wouldn't be held to that agreement? Or did Bloomberg do this because of that agreement? http://www.occupywallst.org/article/emergency-call-action-prevent-forcible-closure-occ/
Here's a lesson from Wisconsin -
"Cleaning" and "damage" were both used as excuses to evict the occupying protesters from the state capitol in Madison, WI this winter. On top of that, access to the capitol was completely closed to the public, and many legislators, for several days in direct violation of the state constitution. For weeks after that, access was limited via enhanced security measures and screenings, again in direct violation of the state constitution. The capitol building is now open, but due to new rules, people are limited from expressing themselves freely beyond raising their voices in protest while being filmed by the police. The same, if not worse, will probably happen in NY once the city gets ahold of the park.
As a person who works closely with public health, and has a fairly good understanding of proper sanitation, I directly observed the occupying protestors doing everything in their power to maintain a sanitary and safe environment. There were many medical and sanitation professionals involved in the protests, so their guidance was valuable in helping maintain a healthy environment. There were no outbreaks of disease and many parents felt it was a safe environment to bring their small children into. Cleaning staff were not prevented from doing their jobs, and were even assisted by the occupying protestors' organized clean up teams. What little damage that did happen to the interior of the building was mostly caused by the improper use of tape by media.
While I have only been able to observe what's happening in New York via a variety of news sources, I do know the same charges were hurled against us in Wisconsin. We trashed the capitol, we defecated in the halls, there was sex, drug use and harassment...and on, and on, and on. Yes, it may have appeared chaotic to the casual observer who isn't familiar with how grassroots organization works. Yes, after a few days of having several hundred to several thousand people in a closed marble building with poor ventilation in the middle of winter, it did start to smell funky. However, as I was directly involved in the protests, and spent many hours in the Capitol during the occupation, I can say with all certainty that those charges were completely false and have a hard time believing your situation in an open park is so bad that it warrants massive "cleaning" and "repair" efforts.
Stay strong, keep fighting, we've got your back.
I believe that this is a blatant attempt to dismantle OWS "headquarters" in order to minimize productivity and efficiency on October 15th. This is a break down tactic, (similar to "corralling" utilized at the Brooklyn Bridge), in anticipation of larger crowds and greater publicity/support to the movement on the 15th. The mayor and offices of city management are well aware that thousands from all over the world will be converging upon NYC this Saturday, they are trying to minimize the potential success of these events.
OWS needs to break of into committees to fight back on this tactic NOW... while some are working on the fight against eviction, others need to communicate a clear message to the public, press, bloggers, etc as to "what is happening" on Saturday! Please do NOT go into "panic mode" and fall into the TRAP of distraction! STAY FOCUSSED - use the media coverage to talk about COMING EVENTS.
Be sure to have the committees working on Saturday's events to contact TWU, Teamsters, Russell Simmons, Rosanne Barr and ALL of other organized support partners, along with public figures who can get Saturday's message out to mainstream media (Russell Simmons, Roseanne Barr)... and tell them of this plight... Let THEM mobilize their activist units to be on site to fight in unison with OWS activists BOTH TOMORROW AND SATURDAY. Again, - remain focused.
PS - The statement/link to 15October.net is NOT ENOUGH TO MOBILIZE "out of town" supporters arriving on Saturday. OSW and those who have pledged solidarity need to do much more to communicate with supporters regarding organized protests on Saturday... There just isn't enough information out there!
Thank you for all that you are doing...
If your legal team hasn't already done this, according to this article, at least one person has the original 1968 agreement that created the park: one Gregory Smithsimon, an assistant professor of urban sociology at Brooklyn College: http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/culture/2011/10/3608746/owners-park-center-occupy-wall-street-protests-are-losing-patience-w The legal team would do well to get a copy of the agreement and see what they can find to support any legal claims about staying in the park. From a supporter in the Windy City.
If the lying down, the tarps, the sleeping bags and all the trappings of occupation are used as speech, they cannot be restricted.
There is tons of precedent in NY and from the US supreme court.
In SHAD Alliance v. Smith Haven Mall New York's highest court established that once private mall owners open their doors to noncommercial speech activity, they cannot exclude individuals entering the mall for that purpose on the basis of the content of their expression.
In Clark v CCNV the US Supreme Court allowed tents, but ruled that the denial of a permit to sleep in the tents was constitutional because the sleep itself was not part of the speech. But in general sleep can be speech.
In Metropolitan Council, Inc. v. Safir, An NY District Court Ruled that the NYPD cannot ban symbolic sleeping using the Penal Code section pertaining to "intentionally blocking pedestrian or vehicular traffic." (can't find this section number) unless they demonstrate that the protesters will necessarily block traffic in the absence of supervision.
In Hotel Employees & Restaurant Employees Union v. City of New York Department of Parks & Recreation, the New York District court ruled that a private/public space could not be the scene of a protest but only because the private operators had a history of only allowing artistic displays.
Observations from the Above Case law Summaries:
Private property can be considered a "public forum" in NY (and many states) even in the case of shopping malls. Both tents and Sleep are considered protected speech in public forums if they are "expressive". As long as no one can show that the tent inherently block pedestrians, no restrictions can be placed on them Zuccotti Park is legally not a park, but a "bonus plaza", not subject to parks regulations You are allowed to be there 24 hours a day (NY Administrative Code)
PLEASE TAKE ACTION:
1) Call 311 and tell Bloomberg to support our right to assemble and to not interfere with #OWS. If you are calling from outside NY use this number 212-NEW-YORK.
2) Come to #OWS on FRIDAY AT 6AM to defend the occupation from eviction. ( keep bumping this info..)
I am the coordinator for the Tompkins County Workers' Center in upstate NY (www.TCWorkersCenter.org). Want to throw out the following as a way to think about all this:
There certainly are many parks in the city and, while many may not see moving to another location as an acceptable option for fear that it will look like defeat, it occurs to me that it could be a great strategy to symbolize the People's power of Occupy: They can make us move but we're not going away. We will continue despite resistance from Big $$.
We're having the same problem here in Denver. Governor Hickenlooper is trying to shut us down and just came out with the legal ban on camping. He's given the go to cops to start making arrests and we're afraid of clashes tonight... Any advice?
Don't give in. I'd like to know if there are any specific laws/ordinances stating anything about camping on public property. If not, then how can they justify not allowing it?
Thanks for the reply SwissMiss... Here's what the news article said:
"The focus here is not on the First Amendment, the trio maintains, but instead on the health and safety of everyone involved. Their final decision: Protesters may continue the occupation, which is held on state property, from 5 a.m. until 11 p.m., but are forbidden from staying overnight any longer. Although the group has done so ever since the first day of its occupation, that activity is in direct opposition to state law." As quoted in an article in Westword, found here http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2011/10/occupy_denver_press_conference.php
Someone posted a link to an article about the park being a public park, even though it's on private land, and that there is nothing stating that people can't occupy the park all night long. Being that it's on private land, the city most likely has no grounds by which to order the protesters off of it.
I just called the legislature's office and found out what laws he 'might be' referring to. This is a turning point for us, needing to decide by TONIGHT how to proceed...
we are Not Egypt!
You should try to plant some flowers and whatnot to "BEAUTIFY" the Park too.....hahahahaha stick it to em!!! MUCH LOVE*
Cleaning the park is but pretense. OWS is a movement greater than "Scheduled Park Maintenance". OWS is a movement greater than "Using tarps and sleeping in the park". Provisions can (& should) be made for this historic protest. This is a fight. No one said it would be without opposition. God is with you. PH!
Mr Bluesberg.................Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. JFK
http://www.facebook.com/marchtodc
Cleaning the park is but pretense. OWS is a movement greater than "Scheduled Park Maintenance". OWS is a movement greater than "Using tarps and sleeping in the park". Provisions can (& should) be made for this historic protest. This is a fight. No one said it would be without opposition. God is with you. PH!
Then, instead of sleeping bags, bring lounge chairs to sleep on!! :)
And, @EAD69. How do you know for certain the people you've seen have never held down jobs? Did you take a survey? We cannot simply go by a person's outward appearance and stereotype them into a category, just because we don't like the way they look. Don't forget the protests in the 60s that caused such a stir..many of those involved in those protests went on to be government leaders.
As far as cleanup goes, they need to clean up the feces INSIDE the buildings on Wall Street.
Yes!!!!
I called 212-New-York and let them know I do not agree with Bloomberg's rules, preventing protesters from sleeping in the park. The operator's response? "Oh, you don't agree with him shutting down the protest?" She took my info, and passed on the message. Maybe, if they get millions of calls - which is possible, there are 297 million in the 99% of this country- Bloomberg will hesitate to send in NYPD tomorrow morning. Of course, he might not. But it only took me 5 minutes to call. I didn't lose much for trying, and just maybe it will make a difference. I feel like we really need to stand up to the craziness in our country right now. My mother is a self employed bookkeeper, and just found out this morning she owes another $400 in taxes, which she doesn't have. With the value of the dollar dropping (i.e. Rising prices), there just isn't any money left anymore. The cost of groceries, gas, healthcare, clothing - everything - is going up.
According to Richard Marbury, author of many 'Uncle Eric' economic books, "Whatever Happened to Penny Candy" in particular, the value of the U.S. Dollar has declined 95% since inception. This is not an inevitable road we must go down. I would love to see new, fresh, non-party members run for senate and congress from every state. A new, non-party tied president, maybe one that has a degree in economics? Or at least has read the simple, easy to understand 'Uncle Eric' books. These books use history to illustrate the consequences of our current governments policies.
I digress... Please, if you have 5 minutes and want the citizens of your country to have the right to peacefully protest, call 212-New-York.
OWS- I trust that when you say you have a sanitation crew and that you are cleaning the park today, you are.
hi there - i tried that number and could not get a person, just kept getting transferred to a new robo message. help!
Just checked the number, had to listen to the parking meter msg, msg about website, press 1 for English, at next prompt, don't push anything- hold for next msg about garbage, then it will ring through to a representative. They will pass your message on to the mayor's office. Rings for a long time... Must be receiving a high number of calls today for some reason... :-)
http://www.cafepress.com/occupywallstreet6
Hello all,
I hope they kick every one of you dirty hippies out of that park!
That was a very helpful and intelligent post. Really? This is what you post for the world to read? The people involved are of a wide range of ages, education and socio-economic status... your generalization has done nothing but pointed out your ignorance as to what is going on.
from http://www.occupytogether.org/discuss/#/discussion/507/global-day-of-protest-october-15
PLEASE Contact your local news stations and demand them to have a story on all these developments. Let them know now so that way they have time to put together a good piece!
I Agree
tell Rachel Maddow to cover tomorrows attempt of eviction. Its a ruse. Take action.
Rachel@msnbc.com
Brookfield Office Properties, which owns the park where Occupy Wall St. is taking place, is reportedly working with the City of New York to evict the protesters on Friday morning. Call now and politely urge them to let the protesters stay in Zuccotti Park! Numbers to call:
Brookfield CEO Richard Clark: +1-212-417-7063 Brookfield US headquarters: +1-212-417-7000 Brookfield Canada headquarters: +1-416-369-2300 Brookfield Australia headquarters: +61-2-9322-2000 New York mayor Michael Bloomberg: +1-212-NEW-YORK (639-9675)
Bow down to the kingdom of the madness!
Since when have we Americans been expected to bow submissively to authority and speak with awe and reverence to those who represent us? William O. Douglas
Who is it that represent us?
You will have to stand strong. Unions: A friend in need is a friend indeed. You cant just show up a couple of days and expect it to make a difference. Celebrities, now would be a good time to show up and really show some support when the boys in riot gear descend on the park. Do not move and gather everyone. Remember peaceful resistance is confrontational at times. It cant always just be fun. But this is the choice of the mayor. It is up to him. Strength in numbers, strength in bravery!
We should occupy all the parks
Great idea!!!
"The mass of men serve the state thus, not as men mainly, but as machines, with their bodies. They are the standing army, and the militia, jailers, constables, posse comitatus, etc. In most cases there is no free exercise whatever of the judgment or of the moral sense; but they put themselves on a level with wood and earth and stones; and wooden men can perhaps be manufactured that will serve the purpose as well. Such command no more respect than men of straw or a lump of dirt. They have the same sort of worth only as horses and dogs. Yet such as these even are commonly esteemed good citizens. Others, as most legislators, politicians, lawyers, ministers, and office-holders, serve the state chiefly with their heads; and, as they rarely make any moral distinctions, they are as likely to serve the devil, without intending it, as God. A very few, as heroes, patriots, martyrs, reformers in the great sense, and men, serve the state with their consciences also, and so necessarily resist it for the most part; and they are commonly treated as enemies by it. A wise man will only be useful as a man, and will not submit to be "clay," and "stop a hole to keep the wind away," but leave that office to his dust at least: —
"I am too high-born to be propertied, To be a secondary at control, Or useful serving-man and instrument To any sovereign state throughout the world.""
Videos dont lie. Show the world what is going on!!
Called from Calif, long wait on phone but finally got through. Do the persons making negative remarks on this sight have blinders on. Are they happy with the way things are going in this country? 7 trillion on war since 2001 while the country goes down the toilet? Corp cats getting a big bonus with our bailout money? OPEN YOUR EYES!!!
They're either too fucking dumb to realize it, or they are part of the problem.
The masses that are too fucking dumb to realize it ARE part of the problem.
This is what I expected to happen when the generation of instant gratification came of age.. There is no foreclosure YOU DO NOT OWN THE LAND. You have to hold a deed & Mortgage to be forclosed on and this group has neither. Yes we all have the right to assemble and protest but we do not have the right to build a tent city and make a park unsanitary for everyone else. Thats exactly what all of you are doing.. Further more Why dont you get one of your milionaire/billionaire supporters to put you up in a hotel or rent a lot for all of you to stay on. Why demand the TAXPAYERS OF NYC to foot the bill of your protest.. Pull your heads out of your butts long enough to realize the enemy infiltrated your camp (Kanye, Russell, and many more) and are using you to further their celebrity and to grow their bank accounts. They are getting richer off your backs literally.. Futher more you wanna stick it to the rich man, stop using their electronics (phones, computers, internet and their credit cards).. I really hope the generation after yours is more selfsuffcient & patient bc if not we should just go ahead and sell the rest of the US to China..
Your last paragragh is on point and I agree, but you've labled the supporters incorrectly. This is NOT the generation of instant gratification. This is WeThePeople . We are all ages young and old from 3 different generations. We are all nationalities. We are a diverse group.
Further more Why do you call Russell and Kanye( Im not a fan of either) "enemies". Sure they maybe celebrities,but they support the cause. If #ows feels as if they are trying to be brought out by any of these people,they know how to ignore them. # ows is not stupid.
There is a right to occupy and a right to breathe on public land. Everyone owns public land. If this is not public, why is the city cleaning it?
Exactly!!!! Why the fuck is the city even involved?
The city isn't cleaning it. Brookfield Properties, the owners, want to clean and inspect it.
Uh huh......set up.....c'mon I am not stupid.
Of course - it all comes down to who owns what, so you can control what happens on your little piece of ground by forcibly controlling things like a proper little tyrant. People hiding behind their legal rights just as much as OWS wants to stand up for theirs. This is NOT about "sticking it to the man" and every OWS person should never get tired of saying that as this is the biggest lie that trolls will try to say, over and over again. OWS wants corporate accountability and a change in the way they affect our government. All reports have pretty much said that the park is in fine condition and OWS are organising a cleaning committee and attempting to get toilet facilities. Of course it's going to be a money issue - after all, the way to get rid of any problem is just to throw lots of money at it, right? Not that those with that money will ever admit that the methods of getting that money have been less than moral - no no - we should PRAISE them for their amzing ability to build a company from nothing...on the backs of wage slaves and outsourced exploitation.
To the Mayor Bloomberg,
“All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated…As therefore the bell that rings to a sermon, calls not upon the preacher only, but upon the congregation to come: so this bell calls us all: but how much more me, who am brought so near the door by this sickness….No man is an island, entire of itself…any man’s death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.”
Think this will stop what is happening Mayor
wonder how many more millions are being contributed to the NYPD for this action...
I think it's a great idea to pool some resources, buy a bunch of brooms, etc, and BE THERE actively cleaning the park when they show up. If this happened, and if as many people as possible had some emergency non-violence training tonight, I think 1. the cops would have a real public relations nightmare on their hands 2.Films of the cops evicting the park bc of dirt that isn't there would catch public attention/support. But seriously, get some people who can do nonviolence training, because it will really help with how that goes down, if in fact it does go down.
agreed, i support the movement, BUT the people should clean up any mess they made and respect the land...if they want to set an ounce of an example for what they/we stand for....
both great ideas.. i hear it is pretty clean from a good friend, of course there are alot of people and they haven't been able to get proper facilities.. that is a shame
remember Kent State... the shooting of 4 students ... stopped your greedy war.... if you shoot any here.... you just might get that war you are looking for... non violence is needed from all sides... including you Bloomberg
Exactly. We fought a war of independence with England to be free of the same kinds of tyrannies that have festered in America today, except the ones benefitting from the broken system want to defend the often immoral source of their wealth by dismissing any opposition as "a bunch of hippies who need to go get a job". Come see how some of the other 99% live, please.
my heart goes with you as you face unmitigated violence. the evil nature of this fascist freemason/knights templar tyranny, the jackboot of babylon. we are a sea of people, an ocean of love and unity that is about to surge with power against the great evil to come upon us. we know we will win because we are confident in the victory of good over evil. an evil upon us, upon the planet and upon the very truth at the heart of humanity.
Right on.
I support you and signed the petition, but there must be someone out there that will bring in portopots, and dumpsters. Or someone that will take the trash away.
Email Bloomberg and tell him its our right to be able to be on public land and protest.
http://www.nyc.gov/portal/site/nycgov/menuitem.bd08ee7c7c1ffec87c4b36d501c789a0/index.jsp?doc_name=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyc.gov%2Fhtml%2Fmail%2Fhtml%2Fmayor.html
My question is this: Would the occupiers sue the owners of the site or the city if, God forbid, an accident occurred on the premises? What if it was a preventable problem if the proper maintenance had taken place?
Somebody died out in CA because of his own actions but the owner of the premises still can probably get sued because he was able to get access where he fell. Like it or not, these are the times we live in.
If somebody camped out in your front lawn, you are responsible for the property. The owners have rights too.
Maybe you can work something out with the city to move someplace else.
ummm.. i live in CA.. who died? i occupy LA.. no one died
San Diego. They still aren't sure of the circumstances:
http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/kswb-occupy-san-diego-man-who-died-at-protest-was-suspect-in-fatal-accident-20111012,0,7541260.story
dude, you sent me to a fox site?? try googling it., im sure there is a better source for what you want to know.. matter of fact, im on it
Oh, for pete's sake, here's another one:
http://eastcountymagazine.org/node/7529
and another:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/11/suicide-at-occupy-san-diego_n_1005169.html
just read about it. he was trying to hang flyers and fell/jumped.. who will ever know.. tragic, but don't see why you had to point it out other than it being a sad event, doesn't really have much to do with occupy. sad for him tho
Liability ... that's what it is reference to. Is it the owner's fault that the man fell/jumped from the deck or could they have done something to prevent access to the area? People sue at the drop of a hat these days, and property owners and municipal governments are very aware of this. Brookfield Properties may feel that they are open to lawsuits if anything happened at the park. They do have the obligation to keep the park safe and in working order. This requires access to the park so the maintenance can be done.
THAT'S what this has to do with occupy. OWS is preventing them from doing this.
Sheesh....
of course its liability you refer to. my point is this type of thing can happen at any point to anyone during anytime, hence, it has less to do with the protests and more to do with the lawyers
called!!
from Javier, Great Post, FlashMob Blooberg,
http://occupywallst.org/forum/flashmob-bloomberg/
Close this down Mayor!!!!! Get's those peasants off the streets and back in to their parents basements.
The people involved are of a wide range of ages, education and socio-economic status... your generalization has done nothing but pointed out your ignorance as to what is going on.
There is a distinct difference between "assembly" and "occupation" - are you "Assemble Wall Street" or "Occupy Wall Street"?
Your 1st-Amendment rights DO NOT extend to "occupation", and if you insist on attempting to test this, I think that you will find that not as many people as you think will be in agreement with you.....
sleeping in the park isnt an "occupation". are you BUMS going to put that on your next job application because you will inevidably be forced to become a productive member of society... wait i forgot you already have "occupations" lol you guys are a joke
Way to generalize. Many of us actually have jobs but are remorseful at how unfair this country is being run. You can get off this site and go watch CNN or Fox news to learn about whatever puppet politician you are going to vote for next.
Not only that, but being a "productive member of society" is the most brainwashed statement I have ever heard. You do not own anyone. They are free to protest or go look for a job in an economy that is inemical to that end. Seriously - people who are not in terrible positions have little understanding and have had their empathy conditioned out of them, and if you are not in a decent work position, then to defend those that have contributed to taking that opportunity away from you is quite backwards.
sleeping in the park isnt an "occupation". are you BUMS going to put that on your next job application because you will inevidably be forced to become a productive member of society... wait i forgot you already have "occupations" lol you guys are a joke
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Dear Mayor Bloomberg,
I hope you will consider allowing Occupy Wall Street to say in Zuccotti Park, but perhaps with a little of your help. Since they are already there under adverse conditions, you could easily provide protopans and dumpsters, along with sanitation guidelines to be followed. This would keep you in good opinion with the protesters and with the many people of New York City and of the nation who support their efforts. I along with all ardent nationwide supporters will be highly disappointed if you somehow use cleaning as a pretext to have the protesters leave, and also if you encourage or allow arbitrary rules to be imposed that may disallow the occupancy to continue as it is.
Best regards,
http://www.nyc.gov/portal/site/nycgov/menuitem.bd08ee7c7c1ffec87c4b36d501c789a0/index.jsp?doc_name=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyc.gov%2Fhtml%2Fmail%2Fhtml%2Fmayor.html
Why should the taxpayers of NYC provide you with resources paid for by Wall Street tax revenue? Seriously think about this and answer if you can.
Why?
Lack of cleanliness at the park was a concern that Mayor Bloomberg and the protesters shared. So far they have been able to come to a compromise on the issue. But, more importantly, the protesters themselves are exercising their Constitutional rights. I personally feel that there are already too many "rules" preventing this. What good is the First Amendment if citizens can't exercise it there, or there, or there, or there, etc.? Or because flowers are being stepped on?
I think the real issue is the millions of dollars in police overtime this is costing the city. The sanitation issue is a cover-up as it's easily remedied. Could you possible suggest to them that you don't need that many or in fact, any police around, you will call them if you need them? You promise to obey the city ordinances without police to enforce them.That should make everybody happy and save the city money. Maybe they will try it , and if all is cool and peaceful, you can stay.
If it is costing the city millions for police overtime, then it's well-served. It cost WE THE PEOPLE trillions for the criminals who control everything to do what they want.
Yes but the city is poor too, money they spend on police overtime is taking away from money they can spend on the pre-existing needs of the people of the city, that's a valid concern. Respecting their valid concerns is important, the city is not the enemy, we're on the same side here or we're not what we claim to be.
On the phone making a complaint.
Central Park?
http://occupywallst.org/forum/central-park/
We might need that much space anyway
Go to central park,then march to wallstreet everyday at 7am...right about the time the robberbarons arrive.
This is a good thought.
Yes!!!!
hehehe too simple
from momshieb
(Why are so many haters spending so much time here? Seriously, can't you go find one single useful thing to do with your time?) It is going to get violent if you resist. There is no way that it won't. Want to drive the city crazy? Peacefully and calmly walk out, take everything, clean up after yourselves. Return later and take turns sitting in folding chairs, wrapped in coats and scarves, talking and drinking coffee. Go home and sleep in shifts, but KEEP a group awake and talking around the clock. There will be no violence and you will get a lot of support. Stay true to the message of peaceful protest. I am totally serious, and will even volunteer to take a few shifts!
I think this is an excellent idea the occupiers should consider immeditly.
I like that stratagy,. the occupation need not be the same people continuously,. as long as a mass is always present np.
I agree with this one. I know I'm not an actual occupier (since I live in Brooklyn and can't lose my job), but I do come by regularly, and I think this is a good suggestion, if we also keep a smaller group in Zuccotti Park just for symbolic purposes. Occupying that place was largely symbolic, anyway, and there's no reason the fundamental purpose of OWS will be run off the rails if we move most people to Central Park It's closer to the part of midtown where most of the financial community actually works, anyway, and it seems that more recent trends like the protests outside Koch, Dimon, et al's houses has moved the general NYC action beyond the immediate bounds of Wall St. Plus, there's something to be said for getting attention. Good old fashioned laziness keeps a lot of people from coming downtown to listen, and putting OWS in the center of the city would fix that.
Just to be clear, though, I'm not saying Zuccotti Park should be fully abandoned.
agree with your reasoning...love the growth potential of Central park... agree Zuccotti should remain at the very least a central information hub
It would be a really good idea to keep the info booth there, also possibly wireless to support those who are staying, even if they're few.
I agree... I am just deeply concerned at the timing of all this; seems tactical to me. Just in time for thousands of new protesters to arrive from all over the world (15October.net protest) on Saturday. It is deeply frustrating that OWS is being "re-directed" by these distraction tactics. The committees need to be focused on Saturday's events.
Frankly, I believe that announcing two locations now would be ideal, in particular with cold weather coming in... the donated tents could likely be utilized in the park. I also believe that if organizers would take the proactive step of announcing a 2nd location, it would counteract any potentially negative effects that may arise from eviction.
I suppose we will have to see how it all unfolds...
As MiMi1026 suggested, people could march down to Wall Street each morning.... and maybe each afternoon when the bell tolls. Central Park would allow this to become even bigger.
so, to those of you who bash the movement, what are you doing to bring about equality and change? i'd like to know
They're on here trolling.... not that that will bring about change.
i know, it's sad that they can't actually have an intelligent conversation about these issues. i feel bad about that
if only there were some real-world venue for people to come together in public and discuss these things with civility
real world? cant get any more real than this. btw.. is it far tron or fart ron?
I know. They accuse the protesters of not working, yet they are on here trolling. I guess it was OK with them when the Tea Party was protesting.
many of us work, then occupy, then work. my 62 year old retired mom is occupying frekin Fort Myers.. they just listen to the outside lies, too lazy or blind to see what is really going on.. just spend some time searching online and there is a wealth of knowledge for them.. this is a freight train, and they tie themselves to the tracks.. look out
Yep!!! OccupyDetroit will start this Friday. I will be there when I can be.... on the weekends.... so that I can continue working during the week and supporting myself 100%.
I'll take my 65-year-old retired mom with me! She just took $6,000 out of her retirement account, because she has no income outside of Social Security, and she got taxed $1,200 on it. Pathetic!!!
One of the things I like about OccupyDetroit is that it will protest and challenge issues that have been happening in Michigan as well.... the high unemployment rate and the fact that our CEO dictator governor hasn't done shit about yet and many other issues (giving his corporate cronies tax cuts while wanting to raise them on the poor and middle classes, cutting public education while he asks for monetary help to send his kids to private school, he pretty much killed the burgeoning film industry here after lying to everyone, and many other things).
great. there are many voices that need to be heard today:)
yep
It would be great if your sanitation committee could then stop having your members from urinating and doing other "unsanitary" acys in the alleys and on buildings surrounding the park. As resident of downtown, and I am not a banker or anything simply a middle-class citizen among your 99%, I have on numerous occasions witnessed individuals doing both # 1 and 2 on the streets.
Additionally, what about other peoples right to use the park. Since you claim it is a public park most other citizens of New York cannot use the park as it currently is. Since you claim that you intend to live there, are then going to pay property taxes as well as sending your children to school in downtown, and support the local economy? Not just by utilizing the restrooms of the small businesses surrounding the park.
As far as I know it is illegal to sleep in any public park, so why should this park be any different.
I certainly agree with your right to protest, but it is the methods in which it is being done that I do not agree with since it is severely affecting a middle class residential neighborhood.
NEWS FLASH: the scumbag felonious banks "affected" MILLIONS of middle class neighborhoods after they STOLE our homes. These fucking roaches caused countless Dogs and Cats to be killed by forcing people that once owned homes, into apartments. And you are complaining? Guess what we have had scores of massive corrupt corporations SHITTING and PISSING on HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of US for DECADES. I hope this enlightens you...We are HERE TO STAY.
Justice4IINow: I can certainly agree that banks acted improperly over the last few years.
Equally so, did 1000's, or even 100's of thousands of people buying homes they could not afford on even the rosiest assumptions. Individuals have to take responsibility for their own actions, including buying a home using a mortgage. These individuals are just as much to blame as the financial institutions.
On a separate note, I am sure you would love to have all of the protestors in your backyard in St. Augustine, FL. So why don't you.
The financial institutions no longer operate in the Financial District, so the whole occupation of the park is instead just affecting middle-class New Yorkers who is part of the growing residential community that loves downtown.
The methods of control applied to protests against the controllers severely limit the impact of the protests. Something must be at stake, otherwise it's just a bunch of people holding signs. The number one demand - and only real demand - is to have the protest itself. Your right to the park is limited by default, as this is an occupation - not something which waves, smiles, shouts out some hippy rhetoric, and then goes away in it's proper little time slot. The system is broken. OWS has organised people to clean the park and is trying to make a deal for toiletry resources.
Can you help or offer solutions?
sleeping in a park isnt an occupation you fucking retards
Multiple people assembling with a unifying message of change and reform. Yep. Sounds like they're occupying. Unless you mean an occupation as in a career, which would mean you missed the point entirely, and you're no longer in a decent frame of mind to judge. But if you did mean what your brazen message stated, all I have to say is, instead of the aggressive attitude, here we like to share our opinions rather than bludgeon each other over the head with verbal degradation. There's no room for hateful messages like these.
@jeff412102643837819178392309 -- fucking retards? Ummm, isn't that exactly what your parents are, for having you - ass munch??
You have completely invalidated your statement by 1) Speaking an untruth and 2) profane ad hominem. Go back to square one - do not pass Go, do not collect 200 dollars...
Really? Then, I guess they should move to the sidewalks and sleep there.... because, believe it or not, it's completely LEGAL to sleep on the sidewalks of NYC as long as you are part of a protest.
sleeping in a park isnt an occupation you fucking retards
You are so right!
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Now who are being tools?
Maybe I'll be proven wrong and you're right. But I doubt it. I cannot help but feel that no matter what, this is going get ugly tomorrow. And that's a shame.
take pictures cleaning the park, send them to the media in mass, place the videos in you tube---call the international media---they are listening!
I'm not sure this plan of yours is such a good idea. From what I've read ( http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-nyc-wants-protesters-to-leave-park-so-it-can-be-cleaned-20111013,0,7972329.story ) this park is privately owned by the Brookfield Properties Corporation, which has asked the city to get people to leave and is enforcing these regulations. It doesn't sound like you have a legal leg to stand on, and to outsiders, your insistence that you have to take this park and keep it is going to look a lot like the "something for nothing" attitude that they love to accuse the protesters of having. This isn't even going to sound like the city was out to get you for your politics - just like they're doing routine law enforcement like any property owner in any city would expect.
While it is a worthy political end to show that the poor in this country don't even have the right to be homeless - that they are treated like criminals simply for trying to sleep wherever they can - you'll have a tough sell to convince people it has to apply to this private park. And somewhere along the line you'll have lost your focus on Wall Street and the 99%.
What really impresses people about a good protest movement is their ability to be flexible and come up with new ideas. If you people are so gung-ho you're insisting on lying down and getting arrested, can't you find some property in New York that was fraudulently foreclosed using robo-signatures to do it on? I remember in "Capitalism: A Love Story" Michael Moore showed people tearing the boards off a foreclosed building and taking it over - aren't there some properties like that anywhere near Wall Street? Or maybe people could do like in one of Martin Luther King's bus boycotts, where everyone come together and pitched in so no one had to ride the bus. Is there any way to do ordinary shared housing arrangements? Also I wonder if vehicles might be an option - would it be possible to have people sleeping in shifts in a few ancient vans rented in some arrangement from a used car place? I know it's legal to sleep in a moving vehicle - would they try to harass you if you were parked? What if you're driving around a loop at 1 mph?
I also saw a suggestion at http://occupywallst.org/forum/how-many-of-you-would-be-willing-and-dedicated-eno/ that a few dedicated people might march from New York to Washington DC. Even if you just give up and leave the park clean and in good condition as of tomorrow's deadline, but a handful of people march out of it on a trip across the Eastern Seaboard (with a few friends moving their packs and other supplies in a vehicle) you would still keep the spotlight firmly on you.
It sounds to me like this is an attempt to destroy your protest, but it can only work if you alienate the public or give up. If you retreat but keep sticking up for your rights where they are indisputable, the attempt to hound you will backfire on your pursuers.
The park is privately held public land. The city allows developers to exceed municipal construction limits if their projects include open space set aside for the express use of the public.
The land must be accessible to the public 24/7 (no atriums or courtyards that close after hours) and is subject to various other rules about size, seating and dining provisions.
If the concern was cleanliness there are material steps that the property holders or the mayor's office could take to help the occupiers keep the park clean.
Meanwhile the statement that they need to "maintain [the park] in a condition fit for public use" belies itself by the fact that the public is currently using it.
Brookfield Properties is the Owner of the park. Their flagship property is the World Financial Center which sits on the other side of the trade center, across rte 9A. It is the cluster or highrise buildings with green roofs. March there during business hours and they will beg you to stay in the park, sleeping bags and all.
Well said!
But the public is not using it, a movement is. A movement is an organization of particular intent, this is why its called an 'occupation' and not a 'gathering'. Those of use who occupy have the obligation to keep it clean. Just as those who stroll through a park are obligated to throw their trash in a garbage can as opposed to the walk-path.
That's a really good defense of your position, thanks. But somebody had better get this information out there to the public. And even given this information, I hate to say, it sounds like this deal with the city still allows the landowner the rights of ownership, apart from these specific concessions - and I highly doubt that the company agreed to let people sleep on the land.
All land is 'privately held public land' if you think about it. This does not give the right of individuals or movements to behave however they like on said land anymore than someone has a right to come into my front yard and squat on it whether I own it outright through a deed or rent. In other words we have to be respectful and mindful of where we are and how we treat where we are. We don't want to encourage a negative stereotype of what is taking place on the site. For example I keep hearing stories of public nudity but I have yet to see it when I've been to the location. Let's not give the mayer a reason to justify eviction.
Agreed! This seems to be where the hang up is. I support private property rights, too - and the right to protest. Understanding how this situation works with this park is critical to public support! As someone who is wayyyy outside NYC, I do think the symbolism of Central Park would be HUGE! A Great aerial shot of thousands of tents there would galvanize the movement like nothing else!
Do the concessions explicitly specify that the public can't sleep in the park? I highly doubt it.
again, legally if a private owner has designated property for public or semi-public use 1st Amendment rights apply. see http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/assembly-on-private-property and check with the ACLU.
agreed, the right to protest yes, but not the right to break the law.
Yes, this.
You are all intellectual ingrates. You have no idea what or why you are protesting. Most of you are doing so just for the sake of protesting. If you would all go get jobs you could fix all the "problems" you are complaining about. You propose a socialist state. Socialism (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles. In the proposal of a Socialist state you indirectly propose a communist state, which history shows us cannot succeed implemented into a government. As or whoever said OWS wants more democracy, here is a quote of what you want ".CONGRESS PASS SPECIFIC AND EFFECTIVE LAWS LIMITING THE INFLUENCE OF LOBBYISTS AND ELIMINATING THE PRACTICE OF LOBBYISTS WRITING LEGISLATION THAT ENDS UP ON THE FLOOR OF CONGRESS. " -coupmedia.org
Thank you OWS, for effectively saying "Screw the Democratic processes which this country is founded on and the same process in which in which it and its people pride themselves. I end with one last quote from and OWS member on this forum.
Free markets = crony capitalism. People are not evolved enough to handle free markets. Deregulation is what leads to crony capitalism.... deregulation = free markets. Same thing. Next time you consider associating yourself with this movement; please consider what it actually stands for.
You are an asshole sir and don't have a clue. Be gone so the adults can talk.
BTW this is the democratic process at work. If you knew anything about it you would might keep your comments to yourself.
You're completely clueless.
shut the fuck up
Ive been wanting to say that many times! But I try to be civil.
Glad you said it for me. thank you :~)
so where do you score all your crack, little "intellectual"? Capitalism is not defined as: "fucking over hundreds of MILLIONS of taxpayers" - dumb mother fucker....
"You have no idea..." We do, you don't. We don't care about Marx like you do (even without understanding him.) I'd hate you but I know you don't share the wealth of your slave masters, so I choose to pity you instead.
You cannot appeal to a broken system to fix itself. You can not rely on private big business to police itself. No one in OWS is against capitalism, but we do not live in a capitalist society, we live in a mixed economy, which is what makes America great. Not all Lobbyists are bad. Not all corporations are bad. Not what OWS is saying. Go educate yourself sir. OWS folks - people like this are cronies of the 1% - do not feed the trolls - they are here to try and enrage and make you act emotionaly instead of rationally.
I would like to talk to you one on one. You are very poorly informed. Someone of your intellect and stature should obviously know not to believe everything you hear on Fox news and CNN, correct?
Protesting is a democratic right. Hence the word demo means "people"
The people have a right to peacefully assemble. This is what #ows is doing.
Read the Constitution. You can download it and keep in your documents.
About damn time!
Now you wanna clean the park? Now? You should have been doing this all along. You people are stupid!
If you would have kept the place clean and been responsible for your activities, this option would not exist for the mayor.
But no, you had to act like hoodlums, and radicals and destroy private and public property.
The left owns you and the right will now disassemble you. You are pathetic losers.
Thanks for nothing
All reports I've heard is that people have been respectful of the park, and are organising to keep the park clean and get toilet facilities. Your words show a lack of understanding, which indicates you are a crony of the 1%. Please move along unless you have something positive to add to the conversation.
All you have heard? So you haven't been there? You haven't seen the filth, garbage, destruction of property? Don't talk to me asshole. I've been there. It's a mess!
Do I have to mention the areas around the park where these people have been piling up their shit! Who do they think is going to clean up for them? Do you know how many small business's have been trashed by these people?
Here's something positive! Get the fuck out of the park and do something productive! Oh I forgot your not in the park. Sorry then. GO back to watching CNN
@hotHOGhenry - hey scumbag how r u?
Your mom does something productive.
Ah! You sir, are obviously a scholar and a gentleman, and your words inspire! Thank you for this scintillating bit of helpful conversation! Oh, and my direct link to people in the park with cameras hasn't shown any of this, so I can only assume you are blowing things out of proportion in order to be an asshole yourself. Takes one to know one? Is that the sort of childish rhetoric you'd rather hear so you can try to divide and conquer? Go get a real life doing something productive for the world and not just for yourself.
Get a job dickhead
Got a great one, thanks! :)
We sincerely enjoy wallowing in our own filth!
I'm so high.
Hey man. I'm so high, man. I want some free-pizza, man.
Give me free stuff, man. I have nothing better to do so I'm going to be a bum and spread disease like a rat.
LOL, get a life you flea-baggers.
haha
You are obviously pretending to be someone you are not so you can spread venom here. Go back to fox news.com idiot.
Troll trollling
@heymansmokeweed -- guess what, ass munch. I stopped smoking weed 32 years ago. I make a LOT of money. I am 100% for these PATRIOTS. Now go back and huff some more fucking paint LOSER. We are the NEW AMERICA hahahaha
LOL man, dude, you make "a LOT' of money? man, you can't be part of the 99% man, whoa dude, smoke more weed man. Dude where Am i? Protesting or in my mom's basement getting high? whoa man!
Your mom wants free pizza....and got some....last night and two weeks ago.
Goodness gracious! If protests like this didn't mean anything then you wouldn't be here to say anything at all. Power = confidence and addressing those in such a manner simply exposes the fact that you are weak, and spineless. Do not feed the trolls - they are not here to discuss intelligently but to try and enrage you and infiltrate. If they make preposterous statements such as "just go get a job" in the current unemployment situation simply mark them down as a crony of the 1% and move on.
Yeah dude, support ur local dealer man. I mean car dealer. I'm so high - like all of you! I'm on your side. Smoking week whoa!