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Forum Post: Incredibly Accurate Mock Election Reveals Sanders Win

Posted 1 year ago on Nov. 10, 2015, 8:42 a.m. EST by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ
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http://reverbpress.com/politics/wiu-mock-election-sanders-gop/

History of the Mock Presidential Election: This simulation always takes place the year before the presidential election year, and three months before the actual Iowa caucuses. The genesis of this mock presidential election began at the University of Iowa in 1975 with two political science doctoral students, John Hemingway and Rick Hardy. In that year, students selected Jimmy Carter over Gerald Ford—long before anyone really knew of Jimmy Carter. In the years that followed, Rick Hardy expanded the format and engaged thousands of students at the University of Missouri-Columbia where students registered a perfect record of selecting the subsequent winning presidential party. In 2007 and 2011, Hardy and Hemingway teamed up again to conduct a massive campus-wide simulation at Western Illinois University. In 2007, Western students selected Barack Obama as president at a time when no one thought he could win! And, in 2011, students narrowly re-elected President Obama over the GOP ticket of Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan!

They just concluded their 2016 Mock Election and, wouldn’t you know it —

Bernie Sanders won in a landslide.

They had him winning the primary against Hillary Clinton by an almost 2 to 1 margin, and he wiped the floor with the Republican nominee, establishment Jeb! Can Fix It Bush, in the general. They predict Bernie to win next November by an almost 4 to 1 margin.

It seems impossible. They have him taking states you’d think fantastical now and winning by an implausibly large margin.

But it looks to me that the ridiculousness of his success is another indicator of a larger trend.

Bernie’s awakening a fire. His message is rippling throughout the country. Maybe the states are wrong, and the margin’s wrong, but that doesn’t mean the outcome is. He doesn’t have to get four times as many electoral votes as the G.O.P. nominee to win.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/8/1447235/-Bernie-Sanders-Wins-100-Accurate-Mock-Election

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[-] 4 points by gsw (3026) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 1 year ago

According to Robert Reich in his Salon Article, "The Real Reason Donald Trump Appeals To Working Class Whites", many republicans who identify with republican for the social issues, are actually populist on economic issues, giving Bernie a good chance to be our president.

I think we need to organize our neighbors for the caucuses and primaries. Go to a Bernie Organizing event for the tools on organizing for Bernie. Here is how the political revolution can happen. Register voters and neighbors, (and at transit facilities, such as bus stations.) encourage caucus attendance. Hillary is vulnerable on policy,

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I will not fall into the GOP/Green Party trap of attacking Hillary, that's one of the reasons I like Bernie so much he understands how stupid it is to do anything to help the GOP win, but this is a real chance like we had in 2000 when we could have elected Al Gore and addressed climate change before it was too late, but we can fix some of the economic problems by electing Bernie, if we do it things will change, too late for the planet I think but we should still do it.

[-] 2 points by gsw (3026) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 1 year ago

Good choice. Focus on facts and policy, separate the thinkers, from the "loose with facts" and flame throwers, who just label, and prejudge the most thoughtful candidate, Sanders.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I think Sanders will win this, when votes start coming in, the media will no longer be able to ignore him and when people compare the two, Bernie will beat Hillary and then whoever the GOP ends up with.

[-] 4 points by gsw (3026) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 1 year ago

Yea. I hope people who label selves as conservative can be open to new ideas. (Not just cut taxes for wealthy and business) Tom Hartman had a economics professor on 11/11 very clear in explaining how Keynesian economics is superior to reaganomis, the history of how we got into this divided mess, through rich wanting to pay less, keep more, and how everyone prospered with Keynesian economics. I recommend

Professor Richard d wolff on big picture Tom Hartman 11/11/15

the show.

[-] 4 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Here - ''Thom discusses what Ronald Reagan’s economic policies have done to America’s middle class with economist Richard Wolff, author of the book “Democracy at Work: A Cure for Capitalism.”'' ...

I really appreciate your excellent recommendation of Thom Hartman's ''The Big Picture'' show episode with Prof. R.D.Wolff (1st link above). The 2nd link is to another show from a week ago - also essential viewing, imo. The 3rd link is to an extended trailer for the full length documentary ''Heist'' - narrated by TH & the 4th/5th links, will speak for themselves. I believe Thom is essential viewing for all Occupiers.

ipsa scientia potestas est ...

[-] 4 points by gsw (3026) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 1 year ago

These are excellent links. Did you see the new Salon article "Bush And Cheny Yawned ..." With multiple warnings ....... ! Paul Rosenberg.......

What a bunch of cons and the schmos who,buy their conservative bull, and then proclaim to be of a high superior breed, the GOP . ....

Sadly this device won't allow copying, (must have exceeded some limit) or I'd give a link

[-] 4 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Re.''Bush And Cheney Yawned ...'' - no, I hadn't seen that article .. 'til now, so thank you and especially now, as it also has another significant resonance re. Paris & I can not recommend the first link enough:

verb. sat. sap. ...

[-] 3 points by gsw (3026) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 1 year ago

All these cycles of violence and revenge, are expanding circles, wasting more lives, solving nothing. Saudi Arabia should take the Palestinians and give them, and the displaced, hope and a home. We should bring Israelis hers, give them refuge in South Dakota, if they are intersted.

Too many fighting over nothing

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

''We, the West, overthrew Saddam by violence. We overthrew Gaddafi by violence. We are trying to overthrow Assad by violence. Harsh regimes all — but far less draconian than our Saudi allies, and other tyrannies around the world. What has been the result of these interventions? A hell on earth, one that grows wider and more virulent year after year.

''Without the American crime of aggressive war against Iraq — which, by the measurements used by Western governments themselves, left more than a million innocent people dead — there would be no ISIS, no “Al Qaeda in Iraq.” Without the Saudi and Western funding and arming of an amalgam of extremist Sunni groups across the Middle East, used as proxies to strike at Iran and its allies, there would be no ISIS. Let’s go back further. Without the direct, extensive and deliberate creation by the United States and its Saudi ally of a world-wide movement of armed Sunni extremists during the Carter and Reagan administrations, there would have been no “War on Terror” — and no terrorist attacks in Paris''.

The above is from the first link, in my previous reply. Now why would Palestinians want to go to the KSA even if Jews accepted South Dakota as any kind of option?! My proposal for Israel/Palestine is along the same lines of the solution to Apartheid Era South Africa: One Person; One Vote; then: Universal Human Rights, In A Bi-National One State For All. Btw the fighting in the Middle East is not quite ''over nothing'' though, and for an example - I offer this reality-check on the ongoing vilification and demonisation of Iran:

fiat lux ...

[-] 2 points by gsw (3026) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 1 year ago

Yes agreement

[-] 4 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Thanx & Happy Thanksgiving to you, your loved ones and all who post &/or read here + also fyi..

pax ...

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

no terrorist attacks in Paris''.

don't believe paris shootting was isis involved

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Do you think isis too moral to do such a thing? Do you think it some random act? Or do you think something else?

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

People in Iraq and Syria don't need any more guns or bombs

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Whether there is an "advantage" or not, that is a different question than did they do it, my question to you is why do you say ISIS did not do Paris attacks?

Do you think there is some useful purpose in purposefully deigning reality, oh I forgot who I was talking to of course you do.

There were a few serious people on this forum in the beginning you probably remember them Matt, but one by one the people who wished to deal with the real world were ran off by the ego whores, people who think they will someday be made King to dictate their wishes rather than serious concerned people hoping to change the world.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

and how does that relate to you're not believing ISIS was involved in Paris shooting?

(that's right I forget you are incapable of conversation)

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

paris isn't IS territory

no advantage to shooting up paris with Russian US french weapons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N_RO-jL-90

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

ISIS is all CIA trained rebels or CIA ops.

Do you think the west is too moral to off a few hundred of its civilians to get the public endorsement to go further and take more rights?

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

More proof of how stupid you are turbo, do you really believe the CIA is that capable?

Do you also believe W Bush planned 9/11?

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

destruction is easier than construction which is why some use it as a tool of control

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

Do i believe the cia is way more intelligent than you? Most certainly.

[-] 3 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago
[-] 2 points by gsw (3026) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 1 year ago

Yes, as said in the linked article, we need to create the conditions for the middle class, it doesn't just happen. Using evidence and common sense, there can be a better way forward, by enhancing some new civil rights, for example, to medical care. 5000 dollar out of pockets, and copays, for health care, it is not accessible, even with insurance, if one tries to avoid debt for medical care Another, I would add food stamps in exchange for some community service, work with elderly, if qualified and willing, for instance Alzheimer's care is really expensive. Take a class at the free college, get certified, whatever it takes. I would say labor programs at the free colleges, to build, construct something that could be sold, such as solar panels actually,

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

We got to do a lot of things, but all of it depends on defeating the GOP at the polls, that is still the most impactful thing anyone can do.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Here's Tom talking about how he feels Bernie could be the next FDR.

http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2015/07/bernie-sanders-could-be-next-fdr

Imvoting4Grandpa

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

Thom is an idiot, here he is, oblivious to the fact that both parties are in on creating isis, arming isis, and then using isis as a reason to bomb whoever they want.

Just like they are in on all the other corrupt shit together.

http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2015/11/republicans-please-stop-helping-isis

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

you're an idiot, and a GOP loving con

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

the internet killed msm, we can do this, or we can sit around and wait for next time because Bernie isn't perfect it's up to us

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

there are no second chances

only the present possibility to do something

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

what must be done is clear, only ego stands in our way

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

The ''ego'' of GOP-lite sell-outs like HRC? Or of True 99% Servants like Bernie? Or the ''ego'' of u or me?

ad iudicium ...

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

you are a political hack, Green Party stupid shit shadz, you got your head so far up your ass you can't smell anything but your shit

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Wassup?!!! Woke up hungover - AGAIN?!! Or, are u still drunk?! U get that it's u who is a "hack" - right?

What gets your goat is ... that people like me got wind of your: DNC/Hitlary 'Rancid Corporate' Clinton; GOP-Lite loving ass - a long time ago and were NEVER going to let this OWS-Forum fall to Democrap Co-opters, like you!!! Now why don't you go reflect on'' Why Liberals Have Got To Be Radicals" again?!!

nosce te ipsum ...

[-] 4 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

people want to live their lives and will work whatever job they can to feed their children

do not consider the social/global consequence of their work

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

people don't consider a lot of things, like writing "NO WAR" on their ballots and letting the GOP win, people are like that

[-] 0 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

but the election is boring me

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I have no problem seeing that you want to elect the GOP where ever and when ever you can it is all you really care about, your hatred of the DNC makes you the 1% poster child, you are so stupid.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Now - IF only I gave a shit about wtf you think, as you ''transfer & project'', your conservative personality!

Any sane Left/Liberal/Progressive this side of Attila The Hun hates the Banker/Corporation owned DNC!

multum in parvo ...

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

You never get tired of electing the GOP do you? Do they pay you or do you do this shit for free?

[-] 0 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

So have you got a license to be - such a Totally Idiotic Moron?!

Are YOU .. paid by the word or by the comment by The DNC?!!

Now how did a so called ''liberal'' become such a HRC adickt?!!!

Remind yourself of http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-liberals-have-to-be-radicals/ & then see both links

http://occupywallst.org/forum/reschedule-marijuana-per-the-fda-recommendation-to/#comment-1068495

http://occupywallst.org/forum/reschedule-marijuana-per-the-fda-recommendation-to/#comment-1068480

Btw,I get your ''GOP want rich,richer'' patter BUT I do wonder IF you actually want wealth re-distribution.

nosce te ipsum ...

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

"Now - IF only I gave a shit about wtf you think"

I'm quit certain you don't give a shit about anything but your own self importance, it is though the stupidity of people like you that the 1% continue to rule.

Kill the GOP, save the world!

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Advocating for a ''Political Revolution'' again, I see! ... NOT!! So frf, how is your political programme and strategy to ''Kill the GOP'' going in saving Ruby Red AZ, never mind ''the world''?!!! Meanwhile - back at the ranch - where the GOP & the GOP-Lite cattle graze happily together - along comes Buffalo Bernie:

multum in parvo ...

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[-] -3 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

you are a Republican electing lackey stupid shit shadz, yeah you caught wind of me so long ago you've been banned about 6 times since then, while I never have...

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

When you note just how far to 'The Right' ''founder'' jart is these days and how the erstwhile mods here were so infiltrated by DNC/Likud apologists, then I'll wear my various bans here with nothing other than pride (click my moniker for previous log-ins), whereas your middle of the road and actually conservative infatuation with the DNC & Democraps-On-The-Hill - has sat well on this forum historically. Feel free to wear that with pride yourself if you wish - but from a position left of liberals, we won't be doing our work correctly IF we do not push the envelope and ruffle feathers. That after all, is why Bernie is running and why he is getting almost NO coverage on Corporate MSM in The U$A! Thus, maybe further consider ...

Do as is your wont, as shall I. It isn't a question of Left & Right anymore. It is a point of Right or Wrong! As ever, your cantankerous & abrasive replies reveal you to be a blindy DNC loyal, political simpleton...

temet nosce ...

[-] -2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

Write NO WA on your ballet

I will not support a candidate that supports war

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Why?!!! WTF does ''Washington State'' have to to with anything?!! Plus I think that you'd be far better off writing ''NO WAR'' on a bullet - rather than all over a Modern/Classical Dance Ensemble!

Does writing anything on a ballot - invalidate it and anyway, doesn't one of The Biggest Problems in US demoCRAZY deMOCKERYcy, hinge on the fact that y'all do NOT have hand counted paper ballots any more?!!! Have you heard of The Diebold Corporation?!! Y'all need to WAtch these videos!

People must WTFU to: Electoral Theft; Vote Larceny; Voter Suppression; IF any democracy is 2B Left!

fallaces sunt rerum species ...

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

If everybody voted with their name|

everyone could count the vote

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Everybody should be Automatically Registered To Vote!

Voting should now be mandatory - like in Australia BUT

There should be a - ''None Of The Above'' option ... AND:

Only Hand Counted Paper Ballots!! Defend Democracy!!!

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_the_United_States_presidential_elections

ad iudicium ...

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

voting should be a holiday

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

you don't support anything except the 1% and allowing them to run the world forever

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

the 1% don't run the world

people produce

we choose to produce guns to get money

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

it's never too late to quit your DOD/MIC job

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

we produce a lot of things to get money, the guns are used to protect the inequality, reduce the inequality reduce the violence, vote for Ds and you reduce the inequality, but then what would you whine about? after all it is all about you and keeping your hands clean right Matt?

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

Thats cute that you think your votes matter in who actually gets the nod.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

you are a tool of the 1%

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

Actually you are getting ready to pull the lever for Wall St and the MIC as usual, not me.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

and you will do all you can to elect the GOP because you want your tax cut, life goes on...

if you think Bernie is Wall Street you are either a liar or stupid, I actually think it's both..

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

The candidate works for the party, not the other way around.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

"Hillary Clinton’s anti-Sanders smears are completely out of control: Why her latest Bernie broadside is utterly hypocritical"

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/05/hillarys_clintons_anti_sanders_smears_are_completely_out_of_control_why_her_latest_bernie_broadside_is_utterly_hypocritical/