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Forum Post: Re. Paris: "The Age of Despair; Reaping the Whirlwind of Western Support for Extremist Violence" by Chris Floyd

Posted 4 years ago on Nov. 17, 2015, 11:04 p.m. EST by ImNotMe (1488)
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"The Age of Despair: Reaping the Whirlwind of Western Support for Extremist Violence"

''A trenchant piece on Paris attacks courtesy of'' http://www.counterpunch.org/ - and bw!

by Chris Floyd

We, the West, overthrew Saddam by violence. We overthrew Gaddafi by violence. We are trying to overthrow Assad by violence. Harsh regimes all — but far less draconian than our Saudi allies, and other tyrannies around the world. What has been the result of these interventions? A hell on earth, one that grows wider and more virulent year after year.

Without the American crime of aggressive war against Iraq — which, by the measurements used by Western governments themselves, left more than a million innocent people dead — there would be no ISIS, no “Al Qaeda in Iraq.” Without the Saudi and Western funding and arming of an amalgam of extremist Sunni groups across the Middle East, used as proxies to strike at Iran and its allies, there would be no ISIS. Let’s go back further. Without the direct, extensive and deliberate creation by the United States and its Saudi ally of a world-wide movement of armed Sunni extremists during the Carter and Reagan administrations, there would have been no “War on Terror” — and no terrorist attacks in Paris tonight.

Again, let’s be as clear as possible: the hellish world we live in today is the result of deliberate policies and actions undertaken by the United States and its allies over the past decades. It was Washington that led and/or supported the quashing of secular political resistance across the Middle East, in order to bring recalcitrant leaders like Nasser to heel and to back corrupt and brutal dictators who would advance the US agenda of political domination and resource exploitation.

The open history of the last half-century is very clear in this regard. Going all the way back to the overthrow of the democratic government of Iran in 1953, the United States has deliberately and consciously pushed the most extreme sectarian groups in order to undermine a broader-based secular resistance to its domination agenda.

Why bring up this “ancient history” when fresh blood is running in the streets of Paris? Because that blood would not be running if not for this ancient history; and because the reaction to this latest reverberations of Washington’s decades-long, bipartisan cultivation of religious extremism will certainly be more bloodshed, more repression and more violent intervention. Which will, in turn, inevitably, produce yet more atrocities and upheaval as we are seeing in Paris tonight.

I write in despair. Despair of course at the depravity displayed by the murderers of innocents in Paris tonight; but an even deeper despair at the depravity of the egregious murderers who have brought us to this ghastly place in human history: those gilded figures who have strode the halls of power for decades in the high chambers of the West, killing innocent people by the hundreds of thousands, crushing secular opposition to their favored dictators — and again, again and again — supporting, funding and arming some of the most virulent sectarians on earth.

And one further cause of despair: that although this historical record is there in the open, readily available from the most mainstream sources, it is and will continue to be completely ignored, both by the power-gamers and by the public. The latter will continue to support the former as they replicate and regurgitate the same old policies of intervention, the same old agendas of domination and greed, over and over and over again — creating ever-more fresh hells for us all to live in, and poisoning the lives of our children, and of all those who come after us.

respice; adspice; prospice ...

[Copied verbatim under ''Fair Use'' from: http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/11/13/the-age-of-despair-reaping-the-whirlwind-of-western-support-for-extremist-violence/ .. and from: http://occupywallst.org/forum/weapons-of-mass-distraction-by-dennis-kucinich/#comment-1067349 ... and also please see subsequent thread reply comments there.]



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[-] 5 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

Re. Paris, how can we explain our identification with French suffering ... but our apparent indifference to Lebanese suffering last week? Or more to the point - how do we explain our indifference to the suffering of people we perceive as different .. be they Lebanese, African, Arab, Asian, Muslim ... Or - Other Brown people? Do the humans now under our NATO bombs OR - those we sold to our various Arab allies, also want safety & stability; peace & prospects, for their kids? Are they too terrorised by drones and bombs?! What are our Saudi allies doing in Yemen right now? What's been happening in Bahrain? Do we care?!! Or are we victims of ''Weapons of Mass Distraction'' to such an extent .. that only White Lives Matter?!!!

&.. http://www.alternet.org/world/krugman-right-wingers-dont-get-paris-terrorists-want-provoke-france-war

Further consider: http://www.alternet.org/media/context-free-coverage-terror-helps-perpetuate-its-causes

& consider these clear links http://www.alternet.org/world/how-western-militarists-are-playing-hands-isis


Finally,a wee video to break & heal the human heart https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwBcYMaz0Jg

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

''You Can’t Understand ISIS If You Don’t Know the History of Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia'', by Alastair Crooke:

Further to this very important article - neither can we understand IS/Da'esh without connecting the dots to the deep Western complicity in the devastation & destruction of Secular States - Iraq, Libya & Syria.

Alors - désolé. #JeSuisBruxelles et #JeSuisBelge mais n'oubliez pas les guerres que nous avons créé en Irak, Libye et en Syrie.

fiat lux et fiat pax ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 years ago

''U.S./UK Paid "White Helmets" Help Blocking Water To 5 Million Thirsty Syrians'':


[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 3 years ago

once again nice job. yea the white helmets are not unbiased - do you read robert fisk at all. i like him.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 years ago

The ''White Helmets'' are a giantic con perpetrated by the usual suspects upon the US/UK and other Western publics. Please watch this short & very effective video. Tho' I could have appended so many links; text & video, to make the point, this'll suffice for now:

I love Robert Fisk & he's been based in Lebanon & knows the region & its issues far better than many so called ''journalists''. Here's a relatively recent article by the guy:

fiat lux ...

[-] 0 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

In view of Manhattan, NYC & the murderous events there ...

''During the 2016 presidential campaign, Donald Trump advocated killing innocent families of suspected terrorists. "When you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families," he declared. Besides the immorality of killing innocents, the targeting of civilians violates the Geneva Conventions.

''The George W. Bush administration unlawfully detained and tortured suspected terrorists. Determined not to send more suspects to Guantánamo, Barack Obama's administration illegally assassinated them with drones and other methods, killing many civilians in the process.

''Now the Trump administration is killing record numbers of civilians and weakening the already-flimsy targeted killing rules Obama put in place.

''In March alone, the Trump administration killed 1,000 civilians in Iraq and Syria, according to Airwars, a non-governmental organization that monitors civilian casualties from airstrikes.

''We can expect to see increasing numbers of civilian deaths as Trump continues the "war on terror" he inherited from his predecessors. Since Bush launched this war after 9/11, we have become more vulnerable to terrorism. Civilian killings heighten anger toward the United States and lead to stepped-up recruitment of those who would do us harm.''

ad iudicium ...

[-] 3 points by Shule (2638) 4 years ago

I noticed now since France and the USA stepped up their bombing in the Middle East, the stock markets are going up. Reward from Wall Street for ratcheting up the mayhem? Are they really bombing ISIS, or are they bombing the Russians and Syrians who are bombing ISIS? I also heard the USG sent a load of smart bombs to Saudi which will more than likely end up either on top of Yemen or in the hands of ISIS.

What ever happened to the anti-war movement anyway?

[-] 6 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

Alas, ''WAR'' is especially good for US Corporations' bottom line, ergo the soaring stock prices of every war-mongering; arms-producing; security / surveillance company & the very same goes for the ancillary companies. Bankers love NOTHING better than war! They sell money/debt, to fund all sides & then the same to fund 'reconstruction' - charging and collecting interest all the way and for decades!! Your point re.Yemen, is very true too. The ''anti-war movement'' on these boards is spearheaded - (if you'll excuse the turn of phrase;-) by ''MattHolck'', but it still exists out there too, eg. - https://www.warresisters.org/ and therefore, also please consider the following fyi ...

fiat lux; fiat justitia; fiat pax ...

[-] 6 points by Viking (417) 4 years ago

It's good to see these four courageous young men speak out against the drone attacks while risking arrest. We need more people like them.

Air Force Whistleblowers Risk Prosecution to Warn Drone War Kills Civilians, Fuels Terror


[-] 4 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

''Air Force Whistleblowers Risk Prosecution to Warn Drone War Kills Civilians, Fuels Terror'':

Your excellent video & transcript link to them bears repeating, as does .. ''We witnessed gross waste, mismanagement, abuses of power, and our country's leaders lying publicly about the effectiveness of the drone program. We cannot sit silently by and witness tragedies like the attacks in Paris, knowing the devastating effects the drone program has overseas and at home."

Only when we fully realise that Western/NATO bombs and weapons, used directly or sold to those who ... will bring TERROR to people all around the world will we see that ''terror is as terror does and as it is perceived'' ... and that it is NOT limited to just when we, in ''The West'' - are attacked and murdered.

Thousands of people right across the USA - had no qualms about supporting The Provisional IRA and/or The INLA. Also USG was behind what went on in Fort Benning, GA and the training and organisation of right-wing guerillas, who murdered at will across South America, Africa and Asia. Selective-Memory and Strategic-Amnesia are the brother and sister of Propaganda and also contribute to hubris and ignorance.

respice; adspice; prospice ...

[-] 5 points by Viking (417) 4 years ago

And now for having come out, and speaking against the drone program...

Drone Pilots' Bank Accounts And Credit Cards Frozen By Feds


It's hard for me to believe that this is happening in this country.

[-] 4 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

''It's hard for me to believe that this is happening in this country.'' :-( and also fyi, please consider:

BUT don't despair and try to take heart as: ''MSM doesn't want (the) info to get out. You see, the thing is this: The tide is turning. These young people who find democratic socialism perfectly legitimate and welcome it, and who find a candidate, honest and not bought, like Bernie Sanders, acceptable and desirable, well... they will one day rule this country. Bernie Sanders' candidacy is making great inroads in shaping the political future of the United States.'' by bw, from ...

dum spiro, spero ...

[-] 5 points by Viking (417) 4 years ago

Three cheers to Code Pink for organizing this. I urge you all to contact your elected reps to express your outrage.

Take Action For Drone Whistleblowers Under Attack


[-] 6 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

For some Drone Murder insights from Brandon Bryant, please listen to the following ICH audio link:

From your link, I excerpt & very lightly edit this: ''Peace support the very courageous actions of four former US drone operators, Michael Haas, Brandon Bryant, Cian Westmoreland, and Stephan Lewis, who have come under increasing attack for disclosing information about “widespread corruption and institutionalized indifference to civilian casualties that characterize the drone program.”

''As truth tellers, they stated in a public letter to President Obama that the killing of innocent civilians has been one of the most “devastating driving forces for terrorism and destabilization around the world.”* These public disclosures come only after repeated attempts to work privately within official channels failed.

''Despite the fact that none of the four has been charged with criminal activity, all had their bank accounts and credit cards frozen. This retaliatory response by our government is consistent with the extrajudicial nature of US drone strikes.

''We must support these former drone operators who have taken great risks to stop the drone killing.''

Solidarity to these four exceptional humans. The easiest thing was to do/say nothing. Bless 'em all.

audaces fortuna juvat ...


Dear President Obama, Secretary Carter and Director Brennan:

We are former Air Force service members. We joined the Air Force to protect American lives and to protect our Constitution. We came to the realization that the innocent civilians we were killing only fueled the feelings of hatred that ignited terrorism and groups like ISIS, while also serving as a fundamental recruitment tool similar to Guantanamo Bay. This administration and its predecessors have built a drone program that is one of the most devastating driving forces for terrorism and destabilization around the world.

When the guilt of our roles in facilitating this systematic loss of innocent life became too much, all of us succumbed to PTSD. We were cut loose by the same government we gave so much to ­, sent out in the world without adequate medical care, reliable public health services, or necessary benefits. Some of us are now homeless. Others of us barely make it.

We witnessed gross waste, mismanagement, abuses of power, and our country’s leaders lying publicly about the effectiveness of the drone program. We cannot sit silently by and witness tragedies like the attacks in Paris, knowing the devastating effects the drone program has overseas and at home. Such silence would violate the very oaths we took to support and defend the Constitution.

We request that you consider our perspective, though perhaps that request is in vain given the unprecedented prosecution of truth­tellers who came before us like Chelsea Manning, Julian Assange, and Edward Snowden. For the sake of this country, we hope it is otherwise.


Brandon Bryant - Staff Sergeant MQ­1B Predator Sensor Operator SERE Instructor Trainee USAF Joint Special Operations Command 3rd Special Operations Squadron Disabled Iraq and Afghanistan Veteran

et al ...

[-] 5 points by Viking (417) 4 years ago

Thanks for putting that super letter up in full. I made sure to contact all of my reps to express my outrage, including the White House before I put that post up.

[-] 5 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

I am not sure just how many of us (elf excepted!), realise just how close to Overt Fascism we are in The U$A and 'The West' .. BUT the human capacity to love and desire for liberty - is our strength, joy ... and burden! Sheep don't stop being sheep for being called ''sheep'' so we poke & prod; exclaim & exhort; for a wish & want towards wake-up for a better future for all .. now & yet to come. Never Give Up! Solidarity!

fiat lux; fiat justitia; fiat pax ...

[-] 4 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

Re. all things ''Drone'' - I draw your attention .. with more than a hint of caution, to:

bellum detesta matribus ...

(war, the horror of mothers)

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

''Iraq Vet: We Created ISIS - Now We Need a Plan to Defeat It.'' by Alexander Lemmons:

''ISIS: The 'Enemy' The US Created, Armed, & Funded'', by 'Tyler Durden':

''How the US Helped Create Al Qaeda and ISIS'', by Garikai Chengu:

''Now the truth emerges: how the US fuelled the rise of Isis in Syria and Iraq'', by Seumas Milne:

''Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To Overthrow Syria's President Assad.'' by 'Tyler Durden'

There is NO justification for the psychopathic murder of 80+ innocent people celebrating Bastille Day in Nice but sadly we must face it that there are reasons for it - much as we may prefer not to accept them.

désolé ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 years ago

''U.S. Is Selling Weapons That Kill A Child Every 10 Minutes!'' ... by Medea Benjamin:

''US Isolation'', by Noam Chomsky: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46133.htm

bella detesta matribus ...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (23316) 4 years ago

Ways to End Terrorism:

"Things the West could do which may actually decrease the specter of terror in the world:

1 Make a serious effort to end the war in Syria and pressure the Gulf to end its support for extremists.

2 End Western atrocities in the Middle East and Western support for undemocratic and dictatorial regimes.

3 Provide huge increases in humanitarian support for those affected by conflict in the Middle East. This, of course, includes the refugees arriving in Europe.

4 End austerity in the West, which forces already marginalized people into an even more difficult situation.

5 Work to end Islamophobia and systematic discrimination of Muslims in the West.

From "Beyond the Hysteria of Vengeance: to Defeat ISIS, End the ‘War on Terror’" by Paul Gottinger


[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1756) 4 years ago

I would add regime change here at home.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (23316) 4 years ago

We certainly need a regime change to make those things happen. Right.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 years ago

After UK's London & Manchester attacks, please consider the following:

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23316) 3 years ago

"America’s Middle East policy revolves around oil and Israel. The invasion of Iraq has partially satisfied Washington’s thirst for oil, but ongoing air strikes in Syria and economic sanctions on Iran have everything to do with Israel. The goal is to deprive Israel’s neighboring enemies, Lebanon’s Hezbollah and Palestine’s Hamas, of crucial Syrian and Iranian support.

ISIS is not merely an instrument of terror used by America to topple the Syrian government; it is also used to put pressure on Iran."

We need new leadership in the Western world, like that of Jeremy Corbyn to rid ourselves of the scourge of the Military Industrial Complex. Only through peace will we defeat terrorism.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 years ago

Yes ''Only through peace will we defeat terrorism'' but alas, the realities of US Syria / Iran / ME policy, almost defy belief ... unless one has access to the Non-MSM info! Here is some info from beyond the US/UK, MSM veil ...

Finally bw, as you referenced Mr. Jeremy Corbyn in your reply above .. please do consider this re. Mrs. Mayhem in a somewhat lighter note than above: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/47335.htm ;-)

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 4 years ago

stop exporting weapons

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

Re. Trump and Sanders and your ''they both talk as if war as a given and I reject both'' quoted (with typo corrections & u really should re-read and consider using the 'edit' function here by the way!) from...

So does that mean that you'll at least be Voting Green in SoCal next year? Does voting have any use?!

ad iudicium ...

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 4 years ago

centralized manipulation requires a consenting people

people that vote seek change

the more people that vote| the more more responsive they are to latter government action

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

''It's Too Late to Turn Off Trump ... We can't change the channel on the culture he's exposed''

IF, you are saying that voting legitimises war-mongers then of course you have a point but is that point as strong as noting the consequences of - NOT Voting?! Are we to leave the whole kit and caboodle to The Corporations and their placemen, stooges and underlings, backed up by .. The Very Pro-Business SCOTUS?!! So shall we yield to and apathetically enable Fascism?!!! That is of course EXACTLY what happened in Germany in the 1930s - as like it or not, Hitler & The Nazis were democratically elected!!!!

respice; adspice; prospice - et cave!

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 4 years ago

with out a majority of the people voting

the US MIC congress cannot claim to be a democracy from a legitimate election

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

With less than 50% of adults voting now - ''the US MIC congress'' ... just doesn't give a flying fuck about ''democracy'' already!!! How about The US 99% or even 90%, just vote in their own interests?!! Is that too radical an idea?! Not sure if you read Matt Taibbi's article but it's shorter than usual & worth the effort. +:

My point that Hitler and The Nazis were initially voted into power in 1930s Germany, still applies though! Voting in the US; with vote larceny, voter-suppression and Outright Electoral Corruption is hard but Total Non-engagement with what's left of the process, will automatically gift The RWNJs carte blanch for crap!

However - I get the deeper point that 'Electoral Pseudo-Democracy' is the veneer on Corporate Fascism!! ''If voting changed anything, they'd've banned it by now''may be true but voting is The Minimum Action as The Corporate Right-Wing has marshalled its forces and organised Turkeys To Vote For Thanksgiving & Christmas but what are Left/Liberal/Progressives going to do in response? Vote Dems OR, Vote Bernie?

facta non verba ...

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 4 years ago

make election days holidays

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

Or make ''election days'' - exactly that! Make it on more than one single, solitary day!! Make it on a Friday, Saturday, Sunday & Monday ... with NO Diebold Type Electronic Ballot b-s .. but with hand counted, paper ballots - because the capacity for fraud with electronic voting, is MASSIVE!!! Hence

From which I excerpt this --''The struggle we are engaged in right now is of pivotal importance for this country. Whether we win or lose will determine the future of America. That struggle is not just for our lives, but more importantly it is for our children and our grandchildren.

So, ''Despair is not an option. I know you get angry, I know you get frustrated, I know you get disgusted. But we don’t have the right not to be involved.

''Our job is to simply bring to fruition what the overwhelming majority of the American people want. They want an economy that works for the middle class and working families and not just for the rich. They want everybody in this country to have health care as a right. They want to protect Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. They want to move away from these gross inequalities in income and wealth.

''We have the people behind us. They have the money. And at the end of the day, the people will be stronger than the money.''

dum spiro, spero ...

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 4 years ago

They want an economy that works for the middle class ...

quit telling me what i want

ready to dump the class definition

Whether we win or lose will determine the future of America.

what we build determines the future

I would like to see public hospitals

''We have the people behind us. They have the money. And at the end of the day, the people will be stronger than the money.''

the people should have the money

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

a) Re.''quit telling me what i want'' = Is this .. just another classic case of American Rejectionism?!

b) Re.''ready to dump the class definition'' = Dislike of core truth re.most people = Working Class?!!

c) Re.''what we build determines the future'' = The Obverse Too! Have you seen US' infrastructure?!!!

quid pro quo?

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 4 years ago

a) Re.''quit telling me what i want'' = Is this .. just another classic case of American Rejectionism?!

another politician tell the crowd what they want

b) Re.''ready to dump the class definition'' = Dislike of core truth re.most people = Working Class?!!

the class definitions allows for an elite and poor case to exist

c) Re.''what we build determines the future'' = The Obverse Too! Have you seen: US infrastructure?!!!

the roads and water and electricity and cable are very useful

could uses more public transportation

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

a) Do you discern any qualitative difference between Bernie Sanders - and any and all of that shower of idiots that the Replicants are putting up on TV in front of the American people these days?!!!

b) No! You have got the cart before the horse there!! BECAUSE of the existence of The 0.01% Parasite Class and their 1% Management Class Lackeys ... does The 90-98% Working Class exist!!!

c) My point is the poor state OF US infrastructure NOT the existence of roads & electricity!!!

fiat lux ...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (23316) 4 years ago

Five Truths Re: Terrorism & Islam

"Five Truths You Should Know About Terrorism And Islam":

"1) Muslims have roundly condemned these vile criminal acts and terrorism in general

2) Terrorists represent Islam no more than the KKK represents Christianity or other fringe groups represent their respective traditions

3) Islam unambiguously opposes terror tactics — terrorism is not a religious ritual but a military strategy

4) Muslims are the main victims of terrorists

5) Terrorism is not a ‘Muslim thing’"

From http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/11/18/five-truths-you-should-know-about-terrorism-and-islam/

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

''Glenn Greenwald on "Submissive" Media's Drumbeat for War and "Despicable" Anti-Muslim Scapegoating'' - from: http://www.democracynow.org/ - via ...

Thank you very much for your excellent link from http://www.counterpunch.org/ and I really can't recommend Amy Goodman & Nermeen Sheikh talking to Glenn Greenwald enough, to you & all.

multum in parvo ...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (23316) 4 years ago

"It’s a wretched yet predictable ritual after each new terrorist attack: Certain politicians and government officials waste no time exploiting the tragedy for their own ends. The remarks on Monday by John Brennan, the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, took that to a new and disgraceful low."

From Greenwald: "The editorial (quoted above), which you should really read in its entirety, destroys most of the false, exploitative, blame-shifting claims uttered by U.S. officials about these issues. Because intelligence agencies knew of the attackers and received warnings, the NYT editors explain that “the problem in [stopping the Paris attacks] was not a lack of data, but a failure to act on information authorities already had.” They point out that the NSA’s mass surveillance powers to be mildly curbed by post-Snowden reforms are ineffective and, in any event, have not yet stopped. And most importantly, they document that the leader of this lowly campaign, CIA chief John Brennan, has been proven to be an inveterate liar:..."

"But there’s one vital question the NYT editors do not address: Why do the CIA and other U.S. government factions believe — accurately — that they can get away with such blatant misleading and lying? The answer is clear: because, particularly after a terror attack, large parts of the U.S. media treat U.S. intelligence and military officials with the reverence usually reserved for cult leaders, whereby their every utterance is treated as Gospel, no dissent or contradiction is aired, zero evidence is required to mindlessly swallow their decrees, anonymity is often provided to shield them from accountability, and every official assertion is equated with Truth, no matter how dubious, speculative, evidence-free, or self-serving."

Sigh. Couldn't agree more with the NYT editorial and Greenwald. Been watching the disgusting racist fear mongering rhetoric myself. Islamaphobia is at an all time high as MSM even gives a smidgen of respect to Donald Trump's assertion that all Muslims should be tracked, walls should be built, Syrian refugees denied entry and on and on. The rhetoric on the right is at an all time high, and low, at the same time. We couldn't be marching any faster toward fascism.

[-] 4 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

Consider: ''A racist meme Trump posted was originally put on Twitter by a neo-Nazi.'' quoted from here ..

From final link ... ''There's a must-read article [ http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/22/opinion/sunday/who-turned-my-blue-state-red.html?_r=1 ] if you want to understand why Democrats are losing the support of low income people who benefit from government programs like Medicaid and food stamps and logically - should vote for Democrats based on pocketbook interests.'' Some serious food for thought there just like your excerpt and comment. Solidarity to you & yours for Thanksgiving and beyond. Finally, with another link in departure from the OP YET somehow still very connected to it, also consider this alarming item...

de profundis ...

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (23316) 4 years ago

Resentment. That's the main culprit. People who are scraping by detest those who need food stamps, unemployment or medicaid to survive. Until, of course, it is they who needs the help.

The NY Times article is interesting in that it lays out the cause of why American turkeys vote for Thanksgiving. Basic resentment. But it fails to highlight the fact that those very services are there for each and every one of us should we ever need the help.

I believe this has been a campaign by conservatives to highlight the very few fraud and abuse cases on entitlements to get people to truly resent those that receive them with true need, en masse. Meanwhile, they fail to remind people that when YOU look at YOUR boss the wrong way, and he sends you packing because we have "employment at will," or when you have an accident or illness and can't work, that those very programs will protect YOU and your family.

Sharing is something we lack in this country. This is a very me, me, me society and a very "instant gratification" society and, so, people don't think ahead to how it could be THEY who are sick or injured or laid off, not until it actually happens to them, because they lack foresight.

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

''Historic New Harpers Article Exposes Who Controls America'', by Eric Zuesse:

I hear what you say very clearly. Per the OP ... sadly that ''resentment'' is being invoked, provoked and stoked - right across the globe - as much by design and intent, as by any 'accident' and oversight. The article I link to here, follows on and references The Harpers' Magazine article I linked to yesterday, a li'l further back up this thread. Hope that you & yours are well. Solidarity and wishing you Happy Holidays.

pacem in terris ...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (23316) 4 years ago

"To boil it all down (which he sadly doesn’t): The fundamentalist-Sunni royal family of the Sauds have bought the highest levels of the U.S. government in order to control U.S. foreign policies..." From your link above regarding the Harper's article.

"Jimmy Carter Tells Oprah America Is No Longer a Democracy, Now an Oligarchy"


Right, Jimmy, and to think that the Global 1% is in charge is rather shocking....or is it? Saudis controlling America? Hmmmm.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

You are right to hum your ''hmmmm'' there! Zuesse makes his own conclusion that Cockburn's original Harpers' article doesn't!! And there's a reason for that & that reason is forget the easy ''who has bought who'' merry-go-round; what we have to face is the convergent hegemonic interests of The United States of America; The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and 'The Zionist-Apartheid Entity, a trifecta of Imperial RWNJ lunacy and psychopathy!!! Here's Andrew Cockburn's original article again:

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Saudis controlling America? Hmmmm.

Not so likely with a divestment of Fossil fuel for clean energy.

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

''Racist Compassion: The Magical Pigmentation Protection Against "Terrorism" - by Chris Floyd:

''It is simply impossible in the current American political discourse — even in “sophisticated” up-market media outlets like the New York Times — for a white man to be a terrorist.'' Also consider the following:

''amor vincit omnia''?!

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (23316) 4 years ago

Race, like religion, nationalism and ethnicity, these are all just ways to divide people. In the end, terror can and is produced by people all over the world of all colors, creeds and nationalities regardless of the status given to white men in this country, which I believe Chris Floyd is right about.

The thing about terrorism is that it's usually more about a fight for resources than anything else. I think religion is usually simply a rallying cry to defend a way of life, a culture, resources and land that have been stomped upon and oppressed by others.

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

Consider, ''Terror'' is .. as Terror does! ''Terrorism'' is .. as terrorism is experienced!! The word ''terrorism'' itself is now totally politicised as drones and/or bombing by us or our allies - is apparently anything and everything OTHER THAN, terrorism!!! This ignorance and hypocrisy, then enables prejudice and bigotry.

Those who will continuously use the word are morally, ethically & logically - bankrupt, IF they pick and choose who is victim and who are the perpetrators - based on ignorance and prejudice.The IRA & INLA ''terrorised'' the UK for 30 years and with over 3500 people dead in ''The Troubles'' .. and their cause was well supported - morally & financially in the USA for example - but N.Ireland now has a political solution.

Without insight into history, recent or otherwise - we can not expect to understand the phenomenon or current political realities but alas - we live in a MSM culture of - 'sound-bites for fear and loathing'. Also fyi, with a HUGE recommendation, please consider this exceptional article from Harpers' Magazine ...

It is time to join up our thinking and be as tough on the causes of terrorism as we are on ''terror'' itself.

fiat lux; fiat justitia; fiat pax ...

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (23316) 4 years ago

Terrorism by cops is a bigger concern here at home.

RIP Bettie Jones and Quintonio LeGrier


So far this year, 1124 Americans have been killed by cops. Follow the number on the Guardian's "The Counted":


"You’re more likely to be fatally crushed by furniture than killed by a terrorist":


"Consider, for instance, that since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Americans have been no more likely to die at the hands of terrorists than being crushed to death by unstable televisions and furniture. Meanwhile, in the time it has taken you to read until this point, at least one American has died from a heart attack. Within the hour, a fellow citizen will have died from skin cancer. Roughly five minutes after that, a military veteran will commit suicide. And by the time you turn the lights off to sleep this evening, somewhere around 100 Americans will have died throughout the day in vehicular accidents – the equivalent of “a plane full of people crashing, killing everyone on board, every single day.”

If we don't get this straight, and we focus as Trump and Hillary want to, on "terrorists" abroad, we are really not going to fix our nation's problems, which are right here at home.

[-] 0 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

Being ''Murdered-By-Cop'', can happen to anyone in USA!!! Just like it did Tamir Rice; Walter Scott; Eric Harris; Mike Brown; Eric Garner; Kajiemi Powell; Sandra Bland and so many others in the USA!! To that long list, can be added the name of Andrew Thomas, 26 .. killed in plain sight by Officer Patrick Feaster in Paradise, California, just on November, the 25th 2015 ...

''Terrorism'', is a word and meme designed to shut down debate and discourse but like you imply in your links Americans are far, Far, FAR more likely to be terrorised by those employed to allegedly ''protect & serve'' them - than by any other vector. ''Terrorism'', is really now a MSM propaganda word ... specifically employed so as to invite and encourage people, to stop thinking & asking questions! Also now consider

ad iudicium ...


[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Domestic terrorists (corp(se)oRATions, Politicians, GOP, Police, District Attorneys, white supremacists, Donald Rump supporters) - likely to kill multiple thousands more innocent USA civilians than any foreign born or foreign inspired terrorist.

[-] 0 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

Many US Citizens & Communities are far, Far, FAR more ''terrorised'' by .. their local PDs (and ALL the many state/national/federal ''agencies'' &/or ''Blue Klux Klan'') - than by any foreign originated entities or (arch US ally) Saudi Wahhabi Ideology inspired Salafi, Jihadi, Takfiri, RWNJs!!! That's a Fact!! Also see

verum ex absurdo ...