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Forum Post: Re. Paris: "The Age of Despair; Reaping the Whirlwind of Western Support for Extremist Violence" by Chris Floyd

Posted 6 years ago on Nov. 17, 2015, 11:04 p.m. EST by ImNotMe (1488)
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"The Age of Despair: Reaping the Whirlwind of Western Support for Extremist Violence"

''A trenchant piece on Paris attacks courtesy of'' http://www.counterpunch.org/ - and bw!

by Chris Floyd

We, the West, overthrew Saddam by violence. We overthrew Gaddafi by violence. We are trying to overthrow Assad by violence. Harsh regimes all — but far less draconian than our Saudi allies, and other tyrannies around the world. What has been the result of these interventions? A hell on earth, one that grows wider and more virulent year after year.

Without the American crime of aggressive war against Iraq — which, by the measurements used by Western governments themselves, left more than a million innocent people dead — there would be no ISIS, no “Al Qaeda in Iraq.” Without the Saudi and Western funding and arming of an amalgam of extremist Sunni groups across the Middle East, used as proxies to strike at Iran and its allies, there would be no ISIS. Let’s go back further. Without the direct, extensive and deliberate creation by the United States and its Saudi ally of a world-wide movement of armed Sunni extremists during the Carter and Reagan administrations, there would have been no “War on Terror” — and no terrorist attacks in Paris tonight.

Again, let’s be as clear as possible: the hellish world we live in today is the result of deliberate policies and actions undertaken by the United States and its allies over the past decades. It was Washington that led and/or supported the quashing of secular political resistance across the Middle East, in order to bring recalcitrant leaders like Nasser to heel and to back corrupt and brutal dictators who would advance the US agenda of political domination and resource exploitation.

The open history of the last half-century is very clear in this regard. Going all the way back to the overthrow of the democratic government of Iran in 1953, the United States has deliberately and consciously pushed the most extreme sectarian groups in order to undermine a broader-based secular resistance to its domination agenda.

Why bring up this “ancient history” when fresh blood is running in the streets of Paris? Because that blood would not be running if not for this ancient history; and because the reaction to this latest reverberations of Washington’s decades-long, bipartisan cultivation of religious extremism will certainly be more bloodshed, more repression and more violent intervention. Which will, in turn, inevitably, produce yet more atrocities and upheaval as we are seeing in Paris tonight.

I write in despair. Despair of course at the depravity displayed by the murderers of innocents in Paris tonight; but an even deeper despair at the depravity of the egregious murderers who have brought us to this ghastly place in human history: those gilded figures who have strode the halls of power for decades in the high chambers of the West, killing innocent people by the hundreds of thousands, crushing secular opposition to their favored dictators — and again, again and again — supporting, funding and arming some of the most virulent sectarians on earth.

And one further cause of despair: that although this historical record is there in the open, readily available from the most mainstream sources, it is and will continue to be completely ignored, both by the power-gamers and by the public. The latter will continue to support the former as they replicate and regurgitate the same old policies of intervention, the same old agendas of domination and greed, over and over and over again — creating ever-more fresh hells for us all to live in, and poisoning the lives of our children, and of all those who come after us.

respice; adspice; prospice ...

[Copied verbatim under ''Fair Use'' from: http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/11/13/the-age-of-despair-reaping-the-whirlwind-of-western-support-for-extremist-violence/ .. and from: http://occupywallst.org/forum/weapons-of-mass-distraction-by-dennis-kucinich/#comment-1067349 ... and also please see subsequent thread reply comments there.]

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[-] 5 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

Re. Paris, how can we explain our identification with French suffering ... but our apparent indifference to Lebanese suffering last week? Or more to the point - how do we explain our indifference to the suffering of people we perceive as different .. be they Lebanese, African, Arab, Asian, Muslim ... Or - Other Brown people? Do the humans now under our NATO bombs OR - those we sold to our various Arab allies, also want safety & stability; peace & prospects, for their kids? Are they too terrorised by drones and bombs?! What are our Saudi allies doing in Yemen right now? What's been happening in Bahrain? Do we care?!! Or are we victims of ''Weapons of Mass Distraction'' to such an extent .. that only White Lives Matter?!!!

&.. http://www.alternet.org/world/krugman-right-wingers-dont-get-paris-terrorists-want-provoke-france-war

Further consider: http://www.alternet.org/media/context-free-coverage-terror-helps-perpetuate-its-causes

& consider these clear links http://www.alternet.org/world/how-western-militarists-are-playing-hands-isis

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/33693-how-the-us-and-saudi-arabia-aided-growth-of-the-islamic-state

Finally,a wee video to break & heal the human heart https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwBcYMaz0Jg

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

''You Can’t Understand ISIS - If You Don’t Know the History of Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia'' ... by Alastair Crooke:

Further to this very important article - neither can we understand IS/Da'esh without connecting the dots to The Deep Western complicity in the devastation & destruction of Secular States - Iraq, Libya & Syria.

Alors - désolé. #JeSuisBruxelles et #JeSuisBelge mais n'oubliez pas les guerres que nous avons créé en Irak, Libye et en Syrie.

fiat lux et fiat pax ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

''U.S./UK Paid "White Helmets" Help Blocking Water To 5 Million Thirsty Syrians'':

WTF?!

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 5 years ago

once again nice job. yea the white helmets are not unbiased - do you read robert fisk at all. i like him.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

The ''White Helmets'' are a gigantic con perpetrated by the usual suspects upon the US/UK and other Western publics. Please watch this short & very effective video. Tho' I could have appended so many links; text & video, to make the point, this'll suffice for now:

I love Robert Fisk & he's been based in Lebanon & knows the region & its issues far better than many so called ''journalists''. Here's a relatively recent article by the guy:

fiat lux ...

[-] 0 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

In view of Manhattan, NYC & the murderous events there ...

''During the 2016 presidential campaign - Donald Trump advocated killing innocent families of suspected terrorists. "When you get these terrorists ... you have to take out their families," he declared. Besides the immorality of killing innocents, the targeting of civilians violates the Geneva Conventions.

''The George W. Bush administration - unlawfully detained and tortured suspected terrorists. Determined not to send more suspects to Guantánamo, Barack Obama's administration - illegally assassinated them with drones and other methods, killing many civilians in the process.

''Now The Trump Administration .. is killing record numbers of civilians and weakening the already-flimsy targeted killing rules Obama put in place.

''In March alone, the Trump administration killed 1,000 civilians in Iraq and Syria, according to Airwars, a non-governmental organization that monitors civilian casualties from airstrikes.

''We can expect to see increasing numbers of civilian deaths as Trump continues the "War On Terror" he inherited from his predecessors. Since G. W. Bush launched this war after 9/11 - we have become more vulnerable to terrorism. Civilian killings heighten anger toward the United States, and lead to stepped-up recruitment of those who would do us harm.''

ad iudicium ...

[-] 3 points by Shule (2638) 6 years ago

I noticed now since France and the USA stepped up their bombing in the Middle East, the stock markets are going up. Reward from Wall Street for ratcheting up the mayhem? Are they really bombing ISIS, or are they bombing the Russians and Syrians who are bombing ISIS? I also heard the USG sent a load of smart bombs to Saudi which will more than likely end up either on top of Yemen or in the hands of ISIS.

What ever happened to the anti-war movement anyway?

[-] 6 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

Alas, ''WAR'' is especially good for US Corporations' bottom line, ergo the soaring stock prices of every war-mongering; arms-producing; security / surveillance company & the very same goes for the ancillary companies. Bankers love NOTHING better than war! They sell money/debt, to fund all sides & then the same to fund 'reconstruction' - charging and collecting interest all the way and for decades!! Your point re.Yemen, is very true too. The ''anti-war movement'' on these boards is spearheaded - (if you'll excuse the turn of phrase;-) by ''MattHolck'', but it still exists out there too, eg. - https://www.warresisters.org/ and therefore, also please consider the following fyi ...

fiat lux; fiat justitia; fiat pax ...

[-] 6 points by Viking (417) 6 years ago

It's good to see these four courageous young men speak out against the drone attacks while risking arrest. We need more people like them.

Air Force Whistleblowers Risk Prosecution to Warn Drone War Kills Civilians, Fuels Terror

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/33745-air-force-whistleblowers-risk-prosecution-to-warn-drone-war-kills-civilians-fuels-terror

[-] 4 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

''Air Force Whistleblowers Risk Prosecution to Warn Drone War Kills Civilians, Fuels Terror'':

Your excellent video & transcript link to them bears repeating, as does .. ''We witnessed gross waste, mismanagement, abuses of power, and our country's leaders lying publicly about the effectiveness of the drone program. We cannot sit silently by and witness tragedies like the attacks in Paris, knowing the devastating effects the drone program has overseas and at home."

Only when we fully realise that Western/NATO bombs and weapons, used directly or sold to those who ... will bring TERROR to people all around the world will we see that ''terror is as terror does and as it is perceived'' ... and that it is NOT limited to just when we, in ''The West'' - are attacked and murdered.

Thousands of people right across the USA - had no qualms about supporting The Provisional IRA and/or The INLA. Also USG was behind what went on in Fort Benning, GA and the training and organisation of right-wing guerillas, who murdered at will across South America, Africa and Asia. Selective-Memory and Strategic-Amnesia are the brother and sister of Propaganda and also contribute to hubris and ignorance.

respice; adspice; prospice ...

[-] 5 points by Viking (417) 6 years ago

And now for having come out, and speaking against the drone program...

Drone Pilots' Bank Accounts And Credit Cards Frozen By Feds

https://www.popularresistance.org/drone-pilots-bank-accounts-and-credit-cards-frozen-by-feds/

It's hard for me to believe that this is happening in this country.

[-] 4 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

''It's hard for me to believe that this is happening in this country.'' :-( and also fyi, please consider:

BUT don't despair and try to take heart as: ''MSM doesn't want (the) info to get out. You see, the thing is this: The tide is turning. These young people who find democratic socialism perfectly legitimate and welcome it, and who find a candidate, honest and not bought, like Bernie Sanders, acceptable and desirable, well... they will one day rule this country. Bernie Sanders' candidacy is making great inroads in shaping the political future of the United States.'' by bw, from ...

dum spiro, spero ...

[-] 5 points by Viking (417) 6 years ago

Three cheers to Code Pink for organizing this. I urge you all to contact your elected reps to express your outrage.

Take Action For Drone Whistleblowers Under Attack

https://www.popularresistance.org/take-action-for-drone-whistleblowers-under-attack/

[-] 6 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

For some Drone Murder insights from Brandon Bryant, please listen to the following ICH audio link:

From your link, I excerpt & very lightly edit this: ''Peace support the very courageous actions of four former US drone operators, Michael Haas, Brandon Bryant, Cian Westmoreland, and Stephan Lewis, who have come under increasing attack for disclosing information about “widespread corruption and institutionalized indifference to civilian casualties that characterize the drone program.”

''As truth tellers, they stated in a public letter to President Obama that the killing of innocent civilians has been one of the most “devastating driving forces for terrorism and destabilization around the world.”* These public disclosures come only after repeated attempts to work privately within official channels failed.

''Despite the fact that none of the four has been charged with criminal activity, all had their bank accounts and credit cards frozen. This retaliatory response by our government is consistent with the extrajudicial nature of US drone strikes.

''We must support these former drone operators who have taken great risks to stop the drone killing.''

Solidarity to these four exceptional humans. The easiest thing was to do/say nothing. Bless 'em all.

audaces fortuna juvat ...


HERE'S THEIR LETTER TO POTUS et al:

Dear President Obama, Secretary Carter and Director Brennan:

We are former Air Force service members. We joined the Air Force to protect American lives and to protect our Constitution. We came to the realization that the innocent civilians we were killing only fueled the feelings of hatred that ignited terrorism and groups like ISIS, while also serving as a fundamental recruitment tool similar to Guantanamo Bay. This administration and its predecessors have built a drone program that is one of the most devastating driving forces for terrorism and destabilization around the world.

When the guilt of our roles in facilitating this systematic loss of innocent life became too much, all of us succumbed to PTSD. We were cut loose by the same government we gave so much to ­, sent out in the world without adequate medical care, reliable public health services, or necessary benefits. Some of us are now homeless. Others of us barely make it.

We witnessed gross waste, mismanagement, abuses of power, and our country’s leaders lying publicly about the effectiveness of the drone program. We cannot sit silently by and witness tragedies like the attacks in Paris, knowing the devastating effects the drone program has overseas and at home. Such silence would violate the very oaths we took to support and defend the Constitution.

We request that you consider our perspective, though perhaps that request is in vain given the unprecedented prosecution of truth­tellers who came before us like Chelsea Manning, Julian Assange, and Edward Snowden. For the sake of this country, we hope it is otherwise.

Sincerely,

Brandon Bryant - Staff Sergeant MQ­1B Predator Sensor Operator SERE Instructor Trainee USAF Joint Special Operations Command 3rd Special Operations Squadron Disabled Iraq and Afghanistan Veteran

et al ...

[-] 5 points by Viking (417) 6 years ago

Thanks for putting that super letter up in full. I made sure to contact all of my reps to express my outrage, including the White House before I put that post up.

[-] 5 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

I am not sure just how many of us (elf excepted!), realise just how close to Overt Fascism we are in The U$A and 'The West' .. BUT the human capacity to love and desire for liberty - is our strength, joy ... and burden! Sheep don't stop being sheep for being called ''sheep'' so we poke & prod; exclaim & exhort; for a wish & want towards wake-up for a better future for all .. now & yet to come. Never Give Up! Solidarity!

fiat lux; fiat justitia; fiat pax ...

[-] 4 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

Re. all things ''Drone'' - I draw your attention .. with more than a hint of caution, to:

bellum detesta matribus ...

(war, the horror of mothers)

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

''Iraq Vet: We Created ISIS - Now We Need a Plan to Defeat It.'' by Alexander Lemmons:

''ISIS: The 'Enemy' The US Created, Armed, & Funded'', by 'Tyler Durden':

''How the US Helped Create Al Qaeda and ISIS'', by Garikai Chengu:

''Now the truth emerges: how the US fuelled the rise of Isis in Syria and Iraq'', by Seumas Milne:

''Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To Overthrow Syria's President Assad.'' by 'Tyler Durden'


There is NO justification for the psychopathic murder of 80+ innocent people celebrating Bastille Day in Nice but sadly we must face it that there are reasons for it - much as we may prefer not to accept them.

désolé ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

''U.S. Is Selling Weapons That Kill A Child Every 10 Minutes!'' ... by Medea Benjamin:

''US Isolation'', by Noam Chomsky: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46133.htm

bella detesta matribus ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

"Navigating our Humanity: The Four Lessons from Ukraine"! by Ilan Pappé;

this: "Even when genuine human solidarity in the West is justly expressed with the Ukraine, we cannot overlook its Racist Context and Europe-Centric bias. The massive solidarity of the West is reserved for whoever is willing to join its bloc and sphere of influence. This Official Empathy is nowhere to be found when similar and even worse, violence is directed against non-Europeans, in general, and towards the Palestinians, in particular."

Therefore ... "We can navigate as conscientious persons between our responses to calamities, and our responsibility to point out all the hypocrisy that has in many ways, paved the way for such catastrophes. Legitimizing internationally the invasion of sovereign countries and licensing the continued colonization and oppression of others, such as Palestine and its people, will lead to even more tragedies ... such as the Ukrainian one, in the future, and everywhere on our planet." + See this article by Sheldon Richman:

fiat lux et fiat justitia, et ergo - fiat pax!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

"Welcome to Ukraine, The Most Corrupt Nation in Europe"! by Oliver Bullough:

"While the conflict with Russia heats up in the east, life for most Ukrainians is marred by corruption so endemic that even hospitals appear to be infected. Can anyone clean the country up?" Is The Ukraine any kind of paragon of democratic virtue? This^article is 7 years old & - gives deeper background than any current western MSM'll give. On the same principle - consider that tho' US/UK MSM won't attempt any balanced reporting between the two sets of RW Nationalists in Russia & Ukraine, there are actual journalists on the ground in Lugansk & Donetsk,from where we hear nearly nothing of an 8+ year war!

this: “Since the Western-backed coup in Kiev in 2014, political organizations associated with neo-Nazis infiltrated Ukrainian mainstream politics just as the Ukrainian government sent troops to try to crush the Donbass uprisings by force.

"As Ukraine waged war against breakaway forces in the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics - the Neo-Nazi Groups in Ukraine, gained notoriety for their belligerent rhetoric towards the population of the country’s east, as well as for eagerly participating in the civil war…."

& "Again, these are not your garden-variety, right-wing militants. These are full-fledged, battle-hardened Nazi storm troopers that have engaged in all-manner of illegal and sadistic activities including “the mass killing of prisoners, the concealment of corpses in mass graves and also, the systematic use of physical and psychological torture techniques.” And while they are lavishly supported by The United States - they oppose - everything that America claims to stand for. They are universally opposed to liberal democracy; to parliamentary government and racial equality. Instead - they advocate social regimentation, autocratic rule and glorification of the state. Race is very much at the core of Nazi Doctrine, which may explain the animus these fascist groups have for the ethnic Russians in the east." +Consider these embedded links:

respice, adspice, prospice et spero meliora!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

Finally IF READERS DARE; they can watch this video with Max Blumenthal on 'The Real News':

solitudenum faciunt et pacem appellant!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

"We and The Western Reporting Fraternity need to examine ourselves - and ask what our values are

IF we have one set of values for people inside Europe and one set of values for non-Europeans, non-

white ... we're racist, we're barbarians too!" (Peter Oborne)

watch out for the old "Saturday Night Live" clip at 6m 15s for how US/UK culture can be blind to itself!

e tenebris lux et veritas vos liberabit!

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23581) 2 months ago

"We're racist. We're barbarians too."

That is very powerful and true. Perhaps we're even worse because in the West we have so many means at our disposal to make the world better yet we choose not to. Sad.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

Consider "On this day in 2003, the Iraq War began. It was an illegal invasion in the same mould as

Putin's war in Ukraine – but almost two decades later, its architects have faced no consequences!"

respice et spero meliora!

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 2 months ago

"willing to join [the West's] bloc and sphere of influence"

The simple solution is to be "willing." The problem can thereby be solved. Membership has its privileges [and obligations].

Do people know why we slowly pour concentrated sulfuric/sulphuric acid into a substantial beaker of cold water rather than doing the reverse of pouring cold water into a beaker of concentrated sulfuric/sulphuric acid when we want to make dilute sulfuric/sulphuric acid ?

Mixing is indeed just mixing to the same targeted end admixed state for the reactants but the order of being mixed and quantities of the reactants matter a great deal ( due to the heat, splashes, and corrosive nature of reactants ) to whether we the mixer end up in an emergency room. People with different upbringings and cultural backgrounds behave like chemicals of different types, too. Know well thy people(s) to be admixed and behave properly and accordingly.

I've stated before that Europe was White peoples' homeland so I'm not surprised by the treatment of the European migrants to neighboring countries as opposed to that of the Middle-Eastern migrants ( especially the ones from Syria where Russia intervened to consolidate authoritarian power in the region near the Mediterranean Sea by committing war crimes on civilians as the U.S.S.R. had also previously done by brutally invading Afghanistan ) to Europe.

Most countries can take on some number of refugees without any problem and in fact often gain some benefits such as new perspectives, new cuisines, new insights, new technologies, new genes, etc. However, the capabilities of doing that vary widely amongst different countries so they themselves should determine their refugee intake rates. When quantities of reactants become too great or too fast, stress grows and at times it breeds animosity. In my opinion, the U.S. achieved global primacy because it was and is "an immigrant [mongrel, so not-inbred] country" ( in my Dad's terminology; but in my vacuum-cleaner's terminology: Old-World slaves' and refugees' country.)

Nation-states have homelands of different types of environments, cultures, languages, customs, and national histories. People who seek to join them should know beforehand what they are getting themselves into. It's not easy to quickly adapt to a new nation-state, especially if one is already an adult out-of-schooling and doesn't have a good knowledge foundation of the hosting nation-state's language(s) ( language and culture are actually intimately intertwined because the culture provides the social meaning and the language determines what can be talked about or thought of; therein lies the difficulty of learning a language well without immersion in the culture; my Mom apparently didn't have any idea what the bag of a teabag was for but her children certainly did and my Dad probably knew, too, but he's astute about practicing "golden silence" { he might be almost completely illiterate but he's definitely not stupid, walking upon the solidified water of Elbe from the U-boat pens in Hamburg to get eventually to Sandbostel } and I knew how to smooth things over sporting my "autistic" face, asking for a spoon; I wonder whether some culturally deprived tourists had really washed their fruits in a Japanese bidét before eating.) Maybe Lebensraum-niche is a good concept for migrants to understand and grasp. Although in principle New York's using a vast amount of air-conditioning because of the sheer number of high-rise buildings should mean that there are many air-conditioning maintenance jobs, it's not good enough for migrants because they need open jobs. New York is heavily unionized so one needs to get through the professionalization ( such as apprenticeship, teaching license, legal practice license, etc.) barrier first. Getting through that can take years and much financial resource and time so migrants are usually hard-pressed to come up with the resources. Niche is important but not necessarily in the "obvious" places.

Has anyone asked why the many Muslim and/or Arab countries haven't given the Palestinians a new homeland yet ? There are countries with megatons of land, gigatons of wealth, teratons of the latest technologies, and last but not least Allahu Akbar ! The Islamic Empire of olden times as was so often asserted with pride, stretched from Bangladesh and India to Morocco and Spain on three continents and there are at least dozens of Muslim countries in Asia, Europe, and Africa which can offer the Palestinians refugee status. There went the Muslim Unity Fellowship. Russia and its Soviet Unity Fellowship, which already possess a huge population of Muslims, bombed many Muslims of the Greater Middle East to smithereens while calling them terrorists. Why ? Kazakhstan, for example, has vast farmland so a few million Palestinians living there wouldn't even deplete much of the vast potential Lebensraum there.

[-] -1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

Re. The Ukraine, please consider this short vid: "So This Is What They Have Been Hiding . . ."

The "they" in this case, is US State Department & DoD! After those^links read this year old article:

U've chosen to reply to my reply to myself - yet with NO RECOURSE to the subject matter or contents of my reply links to myself - with more of your horse-shit RW reactionary opinions based on race & religion!

WHY - U stupid bastard?!!! WTF makes U think I or anyone is interested in your old, RW views?!! Can U "substantiate" any of your b-s brainfarts?! If U want a reasoned exchange U dumb mthrfkr; stay on point!

PS: So not for one minute assume that I didn't notice U add to your crap above, days after U first posted a shorter response, several days ago & then multiplied it in more useless volume more recently, with the addition of much more crap! In your dishonest interlocutor's tiny RW mind, U may still imagine that U are fooling me or the readers here but U can't! Now here are my additional "PS" additions, 1 hour after rely...

Your reactionary RW opinions are only useful for responding to here, in the tradition of the "agon" and as U typify and so represent - the Mass Mind Managed & Perversely Propagandised Populace of The U$A!

temet nosce et per ardua - ad iudicium?

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 2 months ago

Always first-class, am I not, being a new land's adoptee ? I heard that name "bastard" before from the Colonial British, as the Bohr/Szilárd/Peierls.. Jewish-descent brain trust's top-secret information and the magnetron stowed away in a coat pocket for "the Bastard's" land of vaster resources, where women and children could live safely from harm, while the Finnish men resolved to fight Stalin's conscript cannon fodder to the death since they had learnt that their loved ones had been sent to and arrived safely in Sweden during the Winter War. On planet Water, both my Dad and I walked upon water -- being a POW, he was crossing the Elbe during that brutally cold winter 天無絶人之路;船到橋門終會直。and atop a mountain ridge decades later, I was wondering about whether I could mount the misty ride of the legendary Monkey King while the airplanes one after another flew lower and lower below me ( Where had they gone after seemingly crashing into a hill with neither fireball nor smoke ? They just disappeared behind the hill, but there was a path there... when the imminent-crash alarm went off { this unnerved my Dad greatly on his post-layoff flight back home after the ship he had worked upon for most of my family-finance-stabilizing-by-stopping-Dad-from-being-restless-and-impulsive-about-changing-ship life was sold off and delivered }, make a 42° sharp-right turn buzzing the rooftops of the densest populated area on the planet { over which airplane passengers could see that the SOVEREIGN "Ching/Qing Chinese garrison" people below sharing a meal weren't using forks and knives but rather chopsticks } 柳暗花明又一村。I later on took the same path by speeding down the lengthened-to-over-10,000-feet runway in a jumbo-jet Bye, bye, nearly everything that I knew of since my birth was left behind for good; 柳暗花明又一村。 A Periplaneta americana showed me the way to take off flying after it had scurried up the neck of the whiskey bottle from Dad which was holding our boiled-and-cooled-down drinking water by the kitchen sink; I was afraid of its climbing onto my hand holding the bottle because of its prickly legs { I wasn't afraid of squashing the much smaller P. germanica but a P. americana had hurt my bare palm before with its armored/armoured legs -- Dad had probably imported the P. germanica from America; P. americana was the target of my Mom and Big Brother's DDT extermination attack so P. americana certainly pre-dated us in our shantytown home } so I let go of the bottle "bombing" the kitchen sink, shattering the sink but not the bottle to pieces; this omen had happened within a few weeks before we flew away for America; Mom and I threw out our broken kitchen sink after our taking a ferry to cross Victoria Harbor/Harbour to buy a new one and installing it. ) Were the Persians and Afghanis singing of the mighty decolonization pressure of "the Bastard" as the $oviet Red Army withdrew from Persia and Afghanistan, passing the buck to a new generation ?

Isn't it true that Lebensraum is a concept not just for the adoptees of the U$A ? It's also for the hapless conscripts of the $oviet Red Army. As voluntary as the Chinese Red Army pouring across the Yalu River towing Stalin's $oviet "правдивый 'free' friendship/partnership" arms was, the U.S. armed forces are "all volunteers." Since the end of the Vietnam War in the 1970s, the U.S. hasn't lied to or used any sonny cannon fodder, in either Maoist or Stalinist modus operandi of drowning the enemy with the "volunteers' sea of blood." In fact, Lebensraum is the omnipresent central issue for all life at all times. Has DPRK's Lebensraum sustained Red Chinese lives ?

In essence, 》Lebensraum《 is a German word meaning "habitat" because 》das Leben《 means "the life" and 》der Raum《 means "the space" so 》Lebensraum《 means "life's space" or "living space," a fundamental and central concept of Ecology pertinent to all life, akin to the concept of "an ecological footprint." In the same vein so as not to be polluted by some heinous deeds of that Austrian-born usurper, 》Herr Dummkopf《 ice-breaker, the sauwastika 卍 is an ancient symbol which my recent centuries' ancestral homeland of coastal East Asia has adopted from what was Greater India. I reclaim the original etymological meanings of these linguistic tokens rather than succumb to xenophobic ignorance and atrocity-derived emotions. If I were to re-commit Christopher Columbus' Europe-centric ignorant colossal error, I would be a citizen of India -- being way off by the humongous margin of the entire Pacific Ocean, the American and Oceanian continents, and more -- absolutely absurd !!!

A technologically advanced "alien" civilization on a planet emits a super-bright near-white noise spectrum delimited by its maximal-energy capability. Looking back at our home planet, planet Water went nova in the microwave spectrum, second only to its star Sol starting in the early 20th Century. We invented and proliferated magnetron, klystron, and more. When observed without having the decoding keys, the spectrum of the most efficient form of communication is indistinguishable from that of noise with the maximum entropy. The essence of communication is randomness; out of many [possible received messages], [comes] one [probable controlled sent message]: E PLVRIBVS VNVM thereby avoiding your favorite vulgar Latin's progenies of Romance tongues.

Symbol of the U.S.S.R., symbol of Red China, and symbol of the U.S.A. Which one conveys the idea of equality/inequality ? My Mom told me that the Big Star represented the dominating so-called "Communist" Party. How many stars do you see in these symbols ? The Soviet system is slaves-supported Partyism, as shown by the four little stars and hammer and sickle for the proletariat to serve the political single-party Massa and Missus.

Do you want to work hard to serve the Big Star and lose the fruits of your labor, including the ears of wheat, pile up your body to build a crimson bloodied great wall of cadavers, or join a little white star in a cohort of exciting "innovative popping corn kernels" amongst many others underpinned by blue for justice, white for truth, and with red for courage to carry it on ?

Me bastard ? Culturally perhaps, as America also is but definitely not in heritage since my ancestral clans for certain willed for me over my Dad's Japanese family members. Ever since at least earlier than the 1880s, my lineage has been undoubtedly of 頭房。The lineage is very sparse because both Dad and I were the last-born first-chamber male child born of a somewhat elderly patriarch so both of us may rightfully claim the heritage. "The last shall be first."

=========================================================================== M.A.D. & Warped Passages, [a Mona] Lisa !!

"The proper study of mankind is man...

A master, or a servant, or a friend, Bids each on other for assistance call, 'Till one man's weakness grows the strength of all...

The sot a hero, lunatic a king;...

"Autism" has its privileges.. spoon, spoon, spoon ! for a great lukewarm Periplaneta americana tea for Mom, Dad, and me, despite the ¡three! ripped teabags.

quantum electro dynamics !

It's of Königsberg with 》die Umlaut,《 not Kaliningrad, thus said OTTO. "Able was I ere I saw Elba."

Yeah, on my zero-dashed atlas, it was so.

слава україні

Framed in the archway of the sunset, see the homeward Cossack go; Noiseless saved for a raven's croaking, and the hoofbeats in the snow.

The leprechauns of the richest country of Europe hoarded their pots of gold at the ends of the rainbow. As for the Middle-Eastern operation Crimson Chaos, Red China, good luck with finding "greenbacks" by backing D.P.R. Rustia.

Red China made the world's greenest tires/tyres, though.. used by the Russian convoy ( probably because of their higher probability of taking a round trip and arriving at their destination, a home base, in the shortest amount of time possible, using less fuel polluting.) Are their brand name 走不移动 ? Red China was ingenious in playing the "fair neutral" game by defending Kyiv, Ukraine. The Democratic Republic of Guantanamo's official language isn't Spanish; it's Persimmon from Venus.

If awoken, can a ¿hallucinating? penguin fly through the bubbles it makes to beat Mark Spitz in his world-record-setting races at the 1972 Munich Olympics ? It's ironic to be sunstroke on 東龍島 so close to our shantytown home ( I thought this island was far away because we'd first visited several remote islands -- flying fish and a dolphin leapt out of the sea; an "elephant fish's" two-tusk skeleton lay upon low-lying island's sandy beach.) He carried me upon his back in the shades of gnarled trees along a rocky creek to reach the pier to catch the boat. Taking a shortcut to save fuel was dangerous. Rather than first dropping us off on a harbor pier, our boat went to pick up someone on an earlier large remote island. The boat's engine stopped after boat's pulling out away from it.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

Re. Ukraine etc. - "Lebensraum" is a Nazi word & term - ergo offensive, however given that U are a reactionary, race/religion deluded, RW fkwit; I am not remotely surprised that U like to use the word!!! Furthermore U moron - tho' your useless links are utter drivel; they are not quite the RW drivel that U yourself keep spewing!! Btw, if U heard "bastard" in your youth; it isn't actually racial animus - it's just that U fitted the bill, then and now! Finally, further to your useless embedded links & your first person singular, focus here; here are links of use & substance that may have some tangible relevance for U:

Again - "Your reactionary RW opinions, are only useful for responding to here, in the tradition of the "agon" and, as U typify and so represent - the Mass Mind Managed and Perversely Propagandised Populace of The U$A!" +NB: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agon for an insight into what I may mean! Because rest assured - I haven't the faintest idea wtf your rambling damaged brain is talking about!

et veritas vos liberabit!

===========================================================================

PS and NB: The disingenuous scumbag has added 5 new paragraphs of B-S after the reply above! Furthermore note that there's NO RECOURSE to any of the articles above just more self-referential vomit regurgitated by a reactionary, retarded, RW brain - obsessed with itself! Sad & warped really!!

quod erat demonstrandum!

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (23581) 6 years ago

Ways to End Terrorism:

"Things the West could do which may actually decrease the specter of terror in the world:

1 Make a serious effort to end the war in Syria and pressure the Gulf to end its support for extremists.

2 End Western atrocities in the Middle East and Western support for undemocratic and dictatorial regimes.

3 Provide huge increases in humanitarian support for those affected by conflict in the Middle East. This, of course, includes the refugees arriving in Europe.

4 End austerity in the West, which forces already marginalized people into an even more difficult situation.

5 Work to end Islamophobia and systematic discrimination of Muslims in the West.

From "Beyond the Hysteria of Vengeance: to Defeat ISIS, End the ‘War on Terror’" by Paul Gottinger

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/11/17/beyond-the-hysteria-of-vengeance-to-defeat-isis-end-the-war-on-terror/

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1756) 6 years ago

I would add regime change here at home.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (23581) 6 years ago

We certainly need a regime change to make those things happen. Right.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

After UK's London & Manchester attacks, please consider the following:

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23581) 4 years ago

"America’s Middle East policy revolves around oil and Israel. The invasion of Iraq has partially satisfied Washington’s thirst for oil, but ongoing air strikes in Syria and economic sanctions on Iran have everything to do with Israel. The goal is to deprive Israel’s neighboring enemies, Lebanon’s Hezbollah and Palestine’s Hamas, of crucial Syrian and Iranian support.

ISIS is not merely an instrument of terror used by America to topple the Syrian government; it is also used to put pressure on Iran."

We need new leadership in the Western world, like that of Jeremy Corbyn to rid ourselves of the scourge of the Military Industrial Complex. Only through peace will we defeat terrorism.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

Yes ''Only through peace will we defeat terrorism'' but alas, the realities of US Syria / Iran / ME policy, almost defy belief ... unless one has access to the Non-MSM info! Here is some info from beyond the US/UK, MSM veil ...

Finally bw, as you referenced Mr. Jeremy Corbyn in your reply above .. please do consider this re. Mrs. Mayhem in a somewhat lighter note than above: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/47335.htm ;-)

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 6 years ago

stop exporting weapons

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

Re. Trump and Sanders and your ''they both talk as if war as a given and I reject both'' quoted (with typo corrections & u really should re-read and consider using the 'edit' function here by the way!) from...

So does that mean that you'll at least be Voting Green in SoCal next year? Does voting have any use?!

ad iudicium ...

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 6 years ago

centralized manipulation requires a consenting people

people that vote seek change

the more people that vote| the more more responsive they are to latter government action

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

''It's Too Late to Turn Off Trump ... We can't change the channel on the culture he's exposed''

IF, you are saying that voting legitimises war-mongers then of course you have a point but is that point as strong as noting the consequences of - NOT Voting?! Are we to leave the whole kit and caboodle to The Corporations and their placemen, stooges and underlings, backed up by .. The Very Pro-Business SCOTUS?!! So shall we yield to and apathetically enable Fascism?!!! That is of course EXACTLY what happened in Germany in the 1930s - as like it or not, Hitler & The Nazis were democratically elected!!!!

respice; adspice; prospice - et cave!

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 6 years ago

with out a majority of the people voting

the US MIC congress cannot claim to be a democracy from a legitimate election

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

With less than 50% of adults voting now - ''the US MIC congress'' ... just doesn't give a flying fuck about ''democracy'' already!!! How about The US 99% or even 90%, just vote in their own interests?!! Is that too radical an idea?! Not sure if you read Matt Taibbi's article but it's shorter than usual & worth the effort. +:

My point that Hitler and The Nazis were initially voted into power in 1930s Germany, still applies though! Voting in the US; with vote larceny, voter-suppression and Outright Electoral Corruption is hard but Total Non-engagement with what's left of the process, will automatically gift The RWNJs carte blanch for crap!

However, I get the deeper point that 'Electoral Pseudo-Democracy' is the veneer on Corporate Fascism!! ''If voting changed anything, they would have banned it by now'', may be true but voting is The Minimum Action as The Corporate Right-Wing has marshalled its forces and organised the - "Turkeys To Vote For Thanksgiving & Christmas" but what are Left/Liberal/Progressives going to do in response? Vote Dems? OR - Vote Bernie?!

facta non verba ...

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 6 years ago

make election days holidays

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

Or make ''election days'' - exactly that! Make it on more than one single, solitary day!! Make it on a Friday, Saturday, Sunday & Monday ... with NO Diebold Type Electronic Ballot b-s .. but with hand counted, paper ballots - because the capacity for fraud with electronic voting, is MASSIVE!!! Hence

From which I excerpt this --''The struggle we are engaged in right now is of pivotal importance for this country. Whether we win or lose will determine the future of America. That struggle is not just for our lives, but more importantly it is for our children and our grandchildren.

So, ''Despair is not an option. I know you get angry, I know you get frustrated, I know you get disgusted. But we don’t have the right not to be involved.

''Our job is to simply bring to fruition what the overwhelming majority of the American people want. They want an economy that works for the middle class and working families and not just for the rich. They want everybody in this country to have health care as a right. They want to protect Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. They want to move away from these gross inequalities in income and wealth.

''We have the people behind us. They have the money. And at the end of the day, the people will be stronger than the money.''

dum spiro, spero ...

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 6 years ago

They want an economy that works for the middle class ...

quit telling me what i want

ready to dump the class definition

Whether we win or lose will determine the future of America.

what we build determines the future

I would like to see public hospitals

''We have the people behind us. They have the money. And at the end of the day, the people will be stronger than the money.''

the people should have the money

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

a) Re.''quit telling me what i want'' = Is this .. just another classic case of American Rejectionism?!

b) Re.''ready to dump the class definition'' = Dislike of core truth re.most people = Working Class?!!

c) Re.''what we build determines the future'' = The Obverse Too! Have you seen US' infrastructure?!!!

quid pro quo?

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 6 years ago

a) Re.''quit telling me what i want'' = Is this .. just another classic case of American Rejectionism?!

another politician tell the crowd what they want

b) Re.''ready to dump the class definition'' = Dislike of core truth re.most people = Working Class?!!

the class definitions allows for an elite and poor case to exist

c) Re.''what we build determines the future'' = The Obverse Too! Have you seen: US infrastructure?!!!

the roads and water and electricity and cable are very useful

could uses more public transportation

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

a) Do you discern any qualitative difference between Bernie Sanders - and any and all of that shower of idiots that the Replicants are putting up on TV in front of the American people these days?!!!

b) No! You have got the cart before the horse there!! BECAUSE of the existence of The 0.01% Parasite Class and their 1% Management Class Lackeys ... does The 90-98% Working Class exist!!!

c) My point is the poor state OF US infrastructure NOT the existence of roads & electricity!!!

fiat lux ...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (23581) 6 years ago

Five Truths Re: Terrorism & Islam

"Five Truths You Should Know About Terrorism And Islam":

"1) Muslims have roundly condemned these vile criminal acts and terrorism in general

2) Terrorists represent Islam no more than the KKK represents Christianity or other fringe groups represent their respective traditions

3) Islam unambiguously opposes terror tactics — terrorism is not a religious ritual but a military strategy

4) Muslims are the main victims of terrorists

5) Terrorism is not a ‘Muslim thing’"

From http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/11/18/five-truths-you-should-know-about-terrorism-and-islam/

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

''Glenn Greenwald on "Submissive" Media's Drumbeat for War and "Despicable" Anti-Muslim Scapegoating'' - from: http://www.democracynow.org/ - via ...

Thank you very much for your excellent link from http://www.counterpunch.org/ and I really can't recommend Amy Goodman & Nermeen Sheikh talking to Glenn Greenwald enough, to you & all.

multum in parvo ...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (23581) 6 years ago

"It’s a wretched yet predictable ritual after each new terrorist attack: Certain politicians and government officials waste no time exploiting the tragedy for their own ends. The remarks on Monday by John Brennan, the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, took that to a new and disgraceful low."

From Greenwald: "The editorial (quoted above), which you should really read in its entirety, destroys most of the false, exploitative, blame-shifting claims uttered by U.S. officials about these issues. Because intelligence agencies knew of the attackers and received warnings, the NYT editors explain that “the problem in [stopping the Paris attacks] was not a lack of data, but a failure to act on information authorities already had.” They point out that the NSA’s mass surveillance powers to be mildly curbed by post-Snowden reforms are ineffective and, in any event, have not yet stopped. And most importantly, they document that the leader of this lowly campaign, CIA chief John Brennan, has been proven to be an inveterate liar:..."

"But there’s one vital question the NYT editors do not address: Why do the CIA and other U.S. government factions believe — accurately — that they can get away with such blatant misleading and lying? The answer is clear: because, particularly after a terror attack, large parts of the U.S. media treat U.S. intelligence and military officials with the reverence usually reserved for cult leaders, whereby their every utterance is treated as Gospel, no dissent or contradiction is aired, zero evidence is required to mindlessly swallow their decrees, anonymity is often provided to shield them from accountability, and every official assertion is equated with Truth, no matter how dubious, speculative, evidence-free, or self-serving."

Sigh. Couldn't agree more with the NYT editorial and Greenwald. Been watching the disgusting racist fear mongering rhetoric myself. Islamaphobia is at an all time high as MSM even gives a smidgen of respect to Donald Trump's assertion that all Muslims should be tracked, walls should be built, Syrian refugees denied entry and on and on. The rhetoric on the right is at an all time high, and low, at the same time. We couldn't be marching any faster toward fascism.

[-] 4 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

Consider: ''A racist meme Trump posted was originally put on Twitter by a neo-Nazi.'' quoted from here ..

From final link ... ''There's a must-read article [ http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/22/opinion/sunday/who-turned-my-blue-state-red.html?_r=1 ] if you want to understand why Democrats are losing the support of low income people who benefit from government programs like Medicaid and food stamps and logically - should vote for Democrats based on pocketbook interests.'' Some serious food for thought there just like your excerpt and comment. Solidarity to you & yours for Thanksgiving and beyond. Finally, with another link in departure from the OP YET somehow still very connected to it, also consider this alarming item...

de profundis ...

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (23581) 6 years ago

Resentment. That's the main culprit. People who are scraping by detest those who need food stamps, unemployment or medicaid to survive. Until, of course, it is they who needs the help.

The NY Times article is interesting in that it lays out the cause of why American turkeys vote for Thanksgiving. Basic resentment. But it fails to highlight the fact that those very services are there for each and every one of us should we ever need the help.

I believe this has been a campaign by conservatives to highlight the very few fraud and abuse cases on entitlements to get people to truly resent those that receive them with true need, en masse. Meanwhile, they fail to remind people that when YOU look at YOUR boss the wrong way, and he sends you packing because we have "employment at will," or when you have an accident or illness and can't work, that those very programs will protect YOU and your family.

Sharing is something we lack in this country. This is a very me, me, me society and a very "instant gratification" society and, so, people don't think ahead to how it could be THEY who are sick or injured or laid off, not until it actually happens to them, because they lack foresight.

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

''Historic New Harpers Article Exposes Who Controls America'', by Eric Zuesse:

I hear what you say very clearly. Per the OP ... sadly that ''resentment'' is being invoked, provoked and stoked - right across the globe - as much by design and intent, as by any 'accident' and oversight. The article I link to here, follows on and references The Harpers' Magazine article I linked to yesterday, a li'l further back up this thread. Hope that you & yours are well. Solidarity and wishing you Happy Holidays.

pacem in terris ...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (23581) 6 years ago

"To boil it all down (which he sadly doesn’t): The fundamentalist-Sunni royal family of the Sauds have bought the highest levels of the U.S. government in order to control U.S. foreign policies..." From your link above regarding the Harper's article.

"Jimmy Carter Tells Oprah America Is No Longer a Democracy, Now an Oligarchy"

http://mic.com/articles/125813/jimmy-carter-tells-oprah-america-is-no-longer-a-democracy-now-an-oligarchy#.mTkRbnFtD

Right, Jimmy, and to think that the Global 1% is in charge is rather shocking....or is it? Saudis controlling America? Hmmmm.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

You are right to hum your ''hmmmm'' there! Zuesse makes his own conclusion that Cockburn's original Harpers' article doesn't!! And there's a reason for that & that reason is forget the easy ''who has bought who'' merry-go-round; what we have to face is the convergent hegemonic interests of The United States of America; The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and 'The Zionist-Apartheid Entity, a trifecta of Imperial RWNJ lunacy and psychopathy!!! Here's Andrew Cockburn's original article again:

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 years ago

Saudis controlling America? Hmmmm.

Not so likely with a divestment of Fossil fuel for clean energy.

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

''Racist Compassion: The Magical Pigmentation Protection Against "Terrorism" - by Chris Floyd:

''It is simply impossible in the current American political discourse — even in “sophisticated” up-market media outlets like the New York Times — for a white man to be a terrorist.'' Also consider the following:

''amor vincit omnia''?!

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (23581) 6 years ago

Race, like religion, nationalism and ethnicity, these are all just ways to divide people. In the end, terror can and is produced by people all over the world of all colors, creeds and nationalities regardless of the status given to white men in this country, which I believe Chris Floyd is right about.

The thing about terrorism is that it's usually more about a fight for resources than anything else. I think religion is usually simply a rallying cry to defend a way of life, a culture, resources and land that have been stomped upon and oppressed by others.

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

Consider, ''Terror'' is .. as Terror does! ''Terrorism'' is .. as terrorism is experienced!! The word ''terrorism'' itself is now totally politicised as drones and/or bombing by us or our allies - is apparently anything and everything OTHER THAN, terrorism!!! This ignorance and hypocrisy, then enables prejudice and bigotry.

Those who will continuously use the word are morally, ethically & logically - bankrupt, IF they pick and choose who is victim and who are the perpetrators - based on ignorance and prejudice.The IRA & INLA ''terrorised'' the UK for 30 years and with over 3500 people dead in ''The Troubles'' .. and their cause was well supported - morally & financially in the USA for example - but N.Ireland now has a political solution.

Without insight into history, recent or otherwise - we can not expect to understand the phenomenon or current political realities but alas - we live in a MSM culture of - 'sound-bites for fear and loathing'. Also fyi, with a HUGE recommendation, please consider this exceptional article from Harpers' Magazine ...

It is time to join up our thinking and be as tough on the causes of terrorism as we are on ''terror'' itself.

fiat lux; fiat justitia; fiat pax ...

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (23581) 6 years ago

Terrorism by cops is a bigger concern here at home.

RIP Bettie Jones and Quintonio LeGrier

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-police-shooting-20151226-story.html

So far this year, 1124 Americans have been killed by cops. Follow the number on the Guardian's "The Counted":

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#

"You’re more likely to be fatally crushed by furniture than killed by a terrorist":

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2015/11/23/youre-more-likely-to-be-fatally-crushed-by-furniture-than-killed-by-a-terrorist/

"Consider, for instance, that since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Americans have been no more likely to die at the hands of terrorists than being crushed to death by unstable televisions and furniture. Meanwhile, in the time it has taken you to read until this point, at least one American has died from a heart attack. Within the hour, a fellow citizen will have died from skin cancer. Roughly five minutes after that, a military veteran will commit suicide. And by the time you turn the lights off to sleep this evening, somewhere around 100 Americans will have died throughout the day in vehicular accidents – the equivalent of “a plane full of people crashing, killing everyone on board, every single day.”

If we don't get this straight, and we focus as Trump and Hillary want to, on "terrorists" abroad, we are really not going to fix our nation's problems, which are right here at home.

[-] 0 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

Being ''Murdered-By-Cop'', can happen to anyone in USA!!! Just like it did Tamir Rice; Walter Scott; Eric Harris; Mike Brown; Eric Garner; Kajiemi Powell; Sandra Bland and so many others in the USA!! To that long list, can be added the name of Andrew Thomas, 26 .. killed in plain sight by Officer Patrick Feaster in Paradise, California, just on November, the 25th 2015 ...

''Terrorism'', is a word and meme designed to shut down debate and discourse but like you imply in your links Americans are far, Far, FAR more likely to be terrorised by those employed to allegedly ''protect & serve'' them - than by any other vector. ''Terrorism'', is really now a MSM propaganda word ... specifically employed so as to invite and encourage people, to stop thinking & asking questions! Also now consider

ad iudicium ...

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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 years ago

Domestic terrorists (corp(se)oRATions, Politicians, GOP, Police, District Attorneys, white supremacists, Donald Rump supporters) - likely to kill multiple thousands more innocent USA civilians than any foreign born or foreign inspired terrorist.

[-] 0 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

Many US Citizens & Communities are far, Far, FAR more ''terrorised'' by .. their local PDs (and ALL the many state/national/federal ''agencies'' &/or ''Blue Klux Klan'') - than by any foreign originated entities or (arch US ally) Saudi Wahhabi Ideology inspired Salafi, Jihadi, Takfiri, RWNJs!!! That's a Fact!! Also see

verum ex absurdo ...