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Forum Post: I met a Green Party candidate for the Senate yesterday.

Posted 2 years ago on Oct. 28, 2015, 8:53 a.m. EST by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ
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I was attending an industry conference yesterday and was approached by a Green Party candidate for the Senate telling me he supported our industry.

I told "I'm sorry but I'm still pissed off about 2000 and Gore", he said "Did you know more Democrats voted for Bush than Nader?"

I said "I know that if Nader had campaigned across the nation in support of Gore he would have won."

Then he pulled out the old "nobody owns my vote" so I said "I don't want any Republican to win under any circumstance!" I started to get some "amens" and "me either" from the crowd so he stepped away, it's good to see the people haven't forgotten.....

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[-] -3 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

this is the sort of thing stupid people say because they don't understand numbers, these are not serious people who someday may have an effect on changing things these are ego whore idiots, like yourself shadz, more republicans voted for Gore than dems for Nader as well it is the nature of lots of people doing stuff, but the ego whore Nader could have help elect the most environmentally aware person we could have ever had at a time when the world desperately needed it but the shithead Nader and ALL who supported him decided the world and climate change didn't matter as much as their dream of having a political party so the shithead political hacks ran Nader.

[-] 4 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

But what was your reply?! Did you even answer the question directly? Did you think about what a HUGE question that really is? Or - that it may allude to the very important point that lots of Dem voters seem to think voting for The Repugnants is somehow ok because they don't perceive that much difference? What does that tell you? That Dems are too close to Reptile Policy Positions OR.. that they are NOT different enough?! While you are at it, you may as well ask yourself; would there be a Bernie POTUS run without OWS seeding the memes & changing the language and projecting the many possibilities for a ''Political Revolution'' in the US? Gore didn't challenge a Stolen Election so STOP fixating on Ralph Nader or face:

Study those links and going forward re. the 2nd one .. ask how Sanders must speak to those not voting and while you're at it, try to cogitate over the following too - if you can control your apoplexy enough, lol:

The'Heist' link above has significant cameos from Sanders and Warren & refs.the 'Powell Memo', maybe The Most Significant anti-99% document in history ... http://reclaimdemocracy.org/powell_memo_lewis/

You'd be advised to watch ''Heist'' & read 'The Powell Memo' and to stop blaming non-voters because it's The Pols and The Corporations (esp. The Bankers) who are The Problem! + Did you watch this vid. btw..

fiat lux ...

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

More Republicans voted for Gore than dems voted for Nader as well it is a stupid statement that results from the fact that there are huge numbers involved and while Green support is tiny it was large enough to put W in the White House and kill the planet in 2000. The fact is that Nader should have supported Gore anybody who gave a damn about the future did, the ego whores and political hacks that run the Green Party of course did not and America got President W Bush, but it didn't have to be that way, life in America could have been better.

Do you ever ponder the evil that is the GOP and wither or not they should be defeated?

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

Gore didn't challenge a Stolen Election so STOP fixating on Ralph Nader & the Greens, you DNC clone! Go look at Ralph Nader's record for The 99% over a 50 year period and then go try to stand it up against that 0.01% Patrician WASP, that you love. Re.''while Green support is tiny it was large enough to put W in the White House'' .. that is such total crap, and is spewed in order to absolve Gore and The Corporate Jackasses from ANY responsibility for 2000 but please do remind us all as to wtf the excuse is for 2004!

Fk the GOP and all those who sail in it but do you, yourself, ever actually fkn ''ponder the evil that is the'' GOP-Lite?! Consider - Clinton and NAFTA / Glass Steagall Repeal + Wall St. enabling & Obomber, with TPP/TTIP/TiSA / Drone Wars / Wall Street let offs etc! I get that all the links and references are a bit too much for you sometimes,so just try these three and then do try to see what you can make of them now:

Screw whoTF voted for who in Past Bull-Shit Elections; worry about voter suppression and turnout now! Stick with Bernie for as long as u can, as NO other US paRDisan Pol says/does "Political Revolution"!

multum in parvo ...

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Anyone who voted for those two yuppies Gore or Bush over Nader needs their head checked.

Or their clock cleaned.

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

Or needs their overly ample ass kicked (and hard!) - in order to help to try to release their head from the deep sand in which it has been buried for so fkn long! I can't recommend these two links to you enough:

This shit was TOTALLY enabled by BOTH Corporate Smellypants AND Corporate Jackass - two sides of one Crooked Corporate Coin but some people love their ''Good Cop ; Bad Cop'' delusions too much!!

pax ...

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Stupid shits that voted for the ego whore Nader got exactly what they deserved a W Bush presidency, they are most responsible of all voters for the Iraq War and the climate crisis, they voted their egos instead of the nation the Green voters are the worst of the worst of political hacks.

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

You are more of a Duopoly Addict - than you are a Democrap Shill and no doubt your kith and kin in deep red Arizona, loved a Bush Presidency too .. leaving the lone-liberal in your family (that'd be you btw!) irked and annoyed. I get that .. BUT taking out your ire on non-Dem-addicts here on this OWS-Forum, is just so much more projection and transference on your part, yet again! You will never have anything to offer The Disenfranchised, The Dispossessed or The Disaffected .. other than your, really rather conservative - ''Corporate Elephant / Corporate Donkey - Kabuki''. Good luck with inspiring the young with that Steaming Pile Of Horse Shit! However, here's where the action is right now though...

Go on, go get your noisey head around those but also see how popular Bernie is with young people & then ask yourself why? Because they want ''more of the same'' - pushed by the likes of ''liberals'' - like yourself? Nope! If and when the DNC lose their nerve and slide Bernie out and re-hitch their wagons to Hitlary's Donkey - you'll be here telling us all to kiss (or worse) HRC's ass, so you are the hack really! Stay stuck in your time-warp, fighting 2000 on a Groundhog Day Basis, OR wake up to yourself asap!

temet nosce ...

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

the young know least by definition

they might think the eldless war started with afghanistan

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

To be honest,''to know'' is way more over-rated than to able to 'intuit' or to 'deduce'! Take a look at this:

and then perhaps ask yourself how we may engage the approximately 50% of people who don't vote?!

ad iudicium ...

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

if you were honest you would admit that you know, that what you do elects the GOP and perpetuates the see-saw back and forth, if the truth were told no Republican would win but the MSM won't tell the truth and the "radicals" are infected with ego whores like you and Matt with you're "it must be perfect, and BTW only my way is the good way" bullshit, there is a clear evil, the GOP we could unite and kill it but ego whores who think only they have the answer keeps us from it

[-] 4 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Oh Dear! Talking Shit Again!! FFS frf!!! Re.''BTW only my way is the good way'' ... I do get that you can't help projecting your inner psyche but don't you see or get, that .. THAT IS EXACTLY what '' VOTE DEM AND THEN ALL WILL BE WELL'' is?!!! You need to stop the daytime drinking dude!! You call yourself a ''Democratic Party Supporter'' but you ain't no True Democrat because you want to replace Duopoly with a One Party - GOP-Lite State lolol .. but I say let a thousand Left, Liberal, Progressive flowers bloom for the ''Political Revolution'', where http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-liberals-have-to-be-radicals/ Here you go - this may come in handy with the family over the next few days and y'all have a good one in Arizona now, ye hear?

vade in pace ...

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Did the thought of being honest scare you? oh dear

You elect the GOP, if you can live with that what can I possibly say to bring back to reality?

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

''Why Are Democrats Running as Republicans?!'' - by Thom Hartmann and team:

Now you're going to have to take your ass-hat off to read that, so good luck with that! How about I help?

By excerpting: ''Ever since the "centrist" (aka corporatist) "New Democrats" staged their coup back in the late 1980s and recruited Gov. Bill Clinton, most Democrats have run for office and governed as Republicans-lite.

''Instead of pushing progressive values and populist economics, they call for welfare "reform," talk about how cutting Social Security might be a good idea, and support awful trade deals like NAFTA & the TPP.

''Oh, and if that wasn't bad enough, they also take in millions of dollars in donations from the fat cats on Wall Street, big Pharma & the so-called "defense" industry.'' Interesting, huh?! Or is TH a GOP enabler?

verum ex absurdo ...

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

So you would prefer the GOP win so things will get worse so you can build support? that's what one of you said, just before he stopped posting i guess telling the truth got him all flustered, but is that why you are always pushing to elect the GOP so things will get so bad people will turn to the Greens?

I never claimed things were good, just that the GOP is pure evil and must be killed before it kills America.

[-] 4 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

I'd prefer you stopped wearing your ass as a hat: no more; no less!

Your simplistic, reactionary nonsense shows your mind is a mess,

Reducing everything down to the Duopoly Binary is, I must confess

A bore & a chore that is both dark and dumb - but now I do digress.

Just watch the Full 23rd November show and pick out what is best!

From the above & the previous 'Truth-Out' link .. ''It's time for Democrats to embrace and run on their party's core values, the kind of values represented by people like Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Lyndon Johnson and ... Bernie Sanders -- who up until recently didn't even call himself a Democrat!

''That's the only way Democrats can hope to win elections in red states again.

''It really is that simple, because, as Harry Truman once said, "Given a choice between a Republican and a Democrat who acts like a Republican; the voters will pick the Republican every time!"

So is it ''time for the Democratic Party to stop promoting Democrats who act like Republicans & return to the progressive roots and values laid out and championed by truly progressive presidents like FDR''?!

veritas vos liberabit ...

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Go ahead you tell me how it don't matter who wins, or how you see the election turning out, you can say "duopoly" all you want to but it will never erase the crap W Bush did after YOU put him in office.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

Please provide examples of what Bush did so I can show you the same thing from Dem administrations.

I havent given up on you Facts. I know you are thick headed, but the sooner we can take that 20% of the population that still really supports the D/R nonsense (that would be you, the other 80% are sick of it), the sooner we can start returning power to people.

With that being said, its time for some more education courtesy of, as usual, me :)

Examples?

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Are you really so anxious to to defend the W Bush administration? OK he cut taxes and took us from surplus to deficit, your turn...

remember it's a two part test first you have to prove it won't be either a D or R who wins and that if it is an R instead of D the R isn't any worse, so go ahead turbo....make your case I will read every word....

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

Here's a VERY basic chart for you to show you that the debt is a one way clock, as is the surplus. I really thought you would have something better than this, ugh.

http://cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/Debt_GDP.png

Here is one as a percentage of GDP: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/US_Federal_Debt_as_Percent_of_GDP_by_President_(1940_to_2014).png

I would have thought maybe you would of said how Bush brought down the towers, that would have been more fun.

If you are looking to prove who is the worse in this instance, well, sorry, but Obomber takes the cake on that one, the current standard bearer for backwards surplus lol.

But make no mistake, whoever is next WILL be worse, because this train doesnt go in reverse.

http://cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/Debt_GDP.png

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

ok so I knew you were stupid as shit so I should not be surprised but the chart you linked to clearly shows the debt decreasing during the Clinton years which reflects the surplus, Alan Greenspan under oath said we were on track to pay the debt in full, your chart shows this as well, but you are too stupid to know how to read it

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

A temporary reduction in the increase is not reason to celebrate, and clearly was an anomaly when looked at over the last 100 years.

Alan Greenspan under oath. Lol, ok.

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Exactly. Everyone knows the Bushs and Clintons are friends except these two duopoly apologists on here lol.

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

At least OWS can bring together the liberals and the conservatives in their hatred of the Democratic Party.

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

Yes, I abhor GOP-lite nearly as much as I hate GOP-Stupid RWNJ & I make NO apologies for it, to you or anyone else - ever! And further - please do NOT confuse me for ''a liberal'' btw! Also urgently consider:

multum in parvo ...

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

but you elect the GOP that's the big difference

You join in with a GOP loving tax cutter like turbo simply because you will both accept the GOP gladly but can not accept a Dem win.

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Zero Sum Game; Binary Reductionism ... is curdling your brain, frf! Why not give it up for Thanksgiving?!

I've nothing to do with the GOP-Lite or the GOP! I'm for Bernie for PotUS but you'll happily vote for HRC!!

nosce te ipsum ...

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

you have never posted a thing in support of Bernie, you will in the end support and elect the GOP like you always do

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

As usual, your so called ''facts''R-fukt, frf!! STOP the day time drinkng, ffs!! If/when, Hitlary gets the DNC nod in April .. and despite your opportunistic Bernie warblings here, I guarantee that you'll reattach your lips to HRC's well padded Corporate ass and sing her praises ... WITHOUT accepting that she is totally a fkn Venal; Neoliberal/Neocon; RWNJ; GOP-Lite; loon!!! Now for some proofs of my initial ass-ertion re. your brainfart immediately above:

You are well advised to read and study those on the vague chance that you'll stop wearing your ass-hat. Did you ever come up with an answer to - '"WTF do you actually and honestly think OWS is all about?!"

temet nosce ...

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1197) 1 year ago

He reads your posts, he knows you don't promote R's but his final sentence concludes that: "you will in the end support and elect the GOP like you always do", thankfully, he didn't blame someone I now admire, Ralph Nader as he normally does.

Your last sentence he won't answer, or at least he wouldn't to me, "WTF do you actually and honestly think OWS is all about?!" Your entire response was right on.

I responded to a post months ago: 1. Draft Elizabeth Warren 2. Elect Bernie 3. Vote 3rd Party. If it's Hillary or whoever wins this episode of the apprentice, there will be more of the same.

[-] -3 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

you have never posted a thing about the GOP, you are always attacking the Dems you are a puppet of the 1% electing the GOP to help expand their power, you don't give a damn about addressing wealth inequality and your posts shows this your only interest is attacking the Dems,

I have been watching this process a long time I see the one consistent thing one can always count on is that the GOP will work to make the rich richer and money more powerful, if we are to do anything about this we must remove them from office, you are so blind stupid you can't see this and so the 1% use you as a puppet

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

so you thrown in with "cut my taxes" turbo because even though he would cut taxes to the bone get rid of any public education or health care, he hates the Democrats so he's your buddy, this reveals who you really are shadz and what you really believe in you are here only to attack and hurt the dems, and you don't care if it help elect the GOP you don't give a damn about anything but hurting the dems so who of us is really trapped in the two party fight?

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

No one ever suggested that. I propose a mass decentralization. Communities are more than able to provide healthcare to everyone, its the sociopaths in the Feds and the Insurance and Pharma rackets that want to control everything.

Same for education. Return the power to the people and watch the country flourish again.

Or beg for more centralization by the murders and corporations. Choice is yours. Well, assuming you can see past the propaganda.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

yeah home schooling and charity hospitals that's what you want, so that you won't have to pay for anything you are a greedy little pig

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Anybody who couldn't see the difference between Al Gore and W Bush is just plain stupid no need to check.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Please list them so I can smash your list to pieces.

There really was no difference between Clinton and Bush, just as there has been no difference between Bush and Obama.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Really? you want me to make a list of how Al Gore and W Bush are different, OK let's start on the environment Al Gore opposed stuff like the keystone pipeline and supported the climate treaties W bush supports more drilling for oil and oppose the climate treaty, want to smash on that for a bit?

[-] 4 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

Yes, I'll smash that one out of the park.

Al Gore supported moving all of our factories to Mexico and China via GATT and NAFTA, countries with no environment laws whatsoever. Those treaties also opened up the doors for many other countries with rules to do the same.

The overwhelming vast majority of the environmental pollution comes from these countries, which would have never happened without those treaties being signed.

We wont get into the decimation of labor here because of it, but its worth noting.

No amount of fake environmental standards or pr nonsense about "opposition" will ever undo what those two treaties did to wreck the entire planet. Pollution is a global game.

Bill and Al were just smart enough to realize if the government moved it all out of here so that you personally cant see most of it, you would think everything is fine.

Americans. Blind to the rest of the world as usual.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

so you give Bush a pass on Keystone and Kyoto treaty, oh that's right you always give the GOP a pass because they pay you off with tax cuts..me and Bernie oppose those trade deals for a bunch of reasons but the GOP which you support and are defending here supports even more not less so you have again shown how stupid as shit you are turbo

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Bullshit he took it to SCOTUS you are either stupid or lying, Nader put W in the White house deigning reality will not lead to real change. You promote the stupid ego whore Greens still to this day and your consistent attacks on the democrats are designed to elect the GOP you are either a liar or stupid as shit.

You elect the GOP you stupid shit!

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Steppenwolf - The Ostrich

If the people can't even kill the GOP,(given how bad they are) why should anyone care what the people think?

Killing the GOP is how we get their attention.

Then we can get the real work done.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Be careful, your true neocon colors are starting to show through your writing again.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I don't have to be careful I say what I mean, it is you who are trying to fool people into believing you give a shit about the 1%, you are a GOP loving con who don't give a damn about anything but your money.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

Is everyone an ''ego whore'' who doesn't support Democraps/GOP-Lite in the Conservative Two Step that passes as politics in Arizona?! Please just remind me as to - http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-liberals-have-to-be-radicals/ again?!! I have NOTHING to do with electing the GOP; you, on the other hand - have had & still have, a lot to do with electing the GOP-Lite - ''you stupid shit!!!'' Grow Up and Calm Down &

spero meliora ...

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

People who put their name on a ballot so they can brag about how many votes they got but know they have no chance of actually winning. People who spend their time promoting their own cause instead of working to actually make a difference. People who lie to support their dreams of power, are ALL EGO WHORES!

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

He who is cynical of others' motives to a pathological level & constantly assumes the worst of others, usually merely projects his own nature & IF you think that people like Ralph Nader and Jill Stein lack personal ethics &/or deep integriity - then you are deluding yourself whilst revealing yourself to others! Bernie Sanders should co-opt Green Party policies now and here's why ... http://www.gp.org/platform

minima maxima sunt ...

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I can see that a direct answer caught you off guard, you asked and I answered see how easy that is when someone is not full of bullshit as you are. Stein and Nader are ego whores who don't give a shit about what happens they care only about their own self promotion and they lie to do it which makes them no better than the GOP! In fact they are much worse, the Greens are the lowest of the low the most scummy of political hacks killing the nation to build their party.

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

So Stein and Nader are ''no better than the the GOP'' or ''much worse''?!!! Really?!! Is that the truth or is that more a reflection of your parDisan preoccupations?! Actually, you ''can see'' sweet fk-all & your ad hominem at Jill Stein and Ralph Nader only reveals The Utter Bankruptcy of your ''arguments'' - and the paucity of evidence.You hate The Greens more than you hate the GOP because u are are such a Dem-addict in the inner core of your being that you can feel that The Greens are much more different to your GOP-Lite-Dems than your hallowed Dems are similar to The Repugnants! And that scares you in case US voters understand that too!! WTFU - because they already have!!! Otherwise .. wtf accounts for this:

e tenebris, lux? ...

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Oh yes ego whores are the worst of the worst of the political hacks, they are the scum of the earth destroying the world for no reason other than their own ego and of course laziness. The Greens are sick ego whores, like drug dealers pushing crack they destroy the hopes and dreams of those that follow them. They lie and distort in order to deceive people into throwing their ballots away on bullshit while letting the GOP win. Of course they can only take advantage of the super stupid, people who believe anybody gives a crap about how many votes the Greens get, when they are counting their ballots the only Party that matters is the one that gets the most votes, the Greens only matter in the number of people they are able to trick into voting for them.

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

How Dems or any Left/Liberal/Progressive Pols & Parties reach the non-voting is THE Question, u dolt!

Voter suppression is a HUGE issue btw & so see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBAsFwPglw I can understand your recently acquired support for www.berniesanders.com -but rest assured that in the event of the DNC securing HRC the PotUS shot next year .. you will be exhorting everyone here to hitch their wagons to that 1%/0.01% Corporate Caravan of Despair that is the Corporate Donkey Trail of tears, with amongst other things - how she once had thoughts about Universal Healthcare for The 99%, as per:

You're not a liberal really {despite this - http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-liberals-have-to-be-radicals/ }- because you are wilfully blind to just how Right-Wing mainstream Dems-On-The-Hill & state pols are. It is very obvious that you hate The Green Party more than you do The Repugnants - despite your pseudo-progressive warblings on this forum. However - if you think that come April and after a DNC drive against Bernie, that folk here are suddenly going to start lining up to kiss HRC's Wall St.Banker Loving; Neocon War-Hawking; Neoliberal Espousing; ass - then you've really got another thing coming - You DNC Hack!

nosce te ipsum ...

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

How do we defeat the GOP is the issue you dolt!

you allow people like W Bush to win, where or when have you posted anything to shape the real battle?

I posted that OWS should get involved in the primaries and help shape the process you do not even post in support of Bernie Sanders!

You don't give a damn about changing things you just want your own power base to feed your ego.

You are willfully blind to all the GOP do because your path results in their election, you are not only blind to it you enable them.

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

''The Democratic Party has been working hard at co-opting Occupy Wall Street .. since Day One. Why? Because they left their "left" behind a long time ago and they know it. But this movement, the Occupy Movement is amorphous and it is an idea, not something they can actually takeover so easily - though they work hard at it. They don't get it, that Occupy is not about the status quo, it's not about this political party or that political party. It's about fairness and justice and equality and human rights in the whole, in the global sense of the whole.''- from 2 of your own forum-posts:

Read those threads or the selected exchanges linked to above but whatever you do - STOP your GOP-Lite brain-farting already! It just will not wash here on this forum - you numpty!! Now STFU & keep your shoulder pressed to the wheel for www.berniesanders.com 'cause that RWNJ Haridan HRC .. is SHIT!!!

The thing about your bullshit party, that we really all know for a ''fact that's NOT fun'' .. is that Oligarchs, Corporations and Wall Street Bankers pay them to do their bidding but - your tribal affiliation blinds u to the truth of that. My ONLY allegiance is to The 99% & that, also includes you! Better that you get your head around this link before you start to brainfart back at me: http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/31511-why-hillary-can-t-win but you'll have to take your ass-hat off before reading it and so good luck with that. Also IF you have a modicum of sense left .. you will at least click on that link to see the full article title!

et temet nosce ...

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

you are a puppet of the 1% dancing to their tune with your duopoly bullshit, if the GOP is killed the whole system falls you support the system by playing apologist for the GOP saying the Ds are not much different when the truth is the GOP is pure evil and must be killed before it kills the nation, you are a blind puppet

you are here to do nothing but attack the Ds you even link hands with the like of "turbo the con" because you both hate the Dems you hate the dems more than you want inequality to be addressed, your only purpose here is to recruit for your ego whore Greens

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

You keep saying ''Vote Democrap'' and .. what?! That I'm ''a puppet of the 1%''?!! Truly, your facts R fukt, frf and just wtf else do you call .. The Choice Of Two & ONLY Two'' - if not ''Duopoly''?!!! Do NOT confuse 'Democracy' with demoCRAZY deMOCKERYcy frf! Look at 2 terms of Blow-Job Bill & 2 of Obomber and tell me that these two were not Primarily Corporate Puppets!! Go on - I double-dare you to!!! Also see ...

The RWNJ, Corporate Republicunts, are beyond the fkn pale and NOTING can EVER be expected from them; case in point that p-o-s Trump - but it is the Corporate-Dems that you obsess on - that have truly sold out The US 99% & you fkn know it but tribal loyalties and faux-liberal sensibilities continue to stop you thinking objectively. BUT .. you still get why & how Bernie is more OWS than Bankers' Pet, Hitlary Rancid Clinton is, or ever could be! So I'll remain thankful for small mercies & keep making the case ;-) ie http://occupywallst.org/forum/incredibly-accurate-mock-election-reveals-sanders-/#comment-1068033

nosce te ipsum ...

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

You should support independents and minor parties, they are trying to create change from within the system, much more engaged in the political system than OWS ever was.

So if you dont really like OWS, and you dont support anyone outside of the Dem party, what on earth are you doing here? And why do you spend so much of your time throughout the week posting here?

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

People should at least try and change the situation, I realize you are quite happy with the level of wealth inequality however those who wish to do something about it would do well to use their ballot to create change, voting for third parties does nothing but help the GOP win, and ensure more war and wealth inequality, which I know is fine with you because you are more likely to get a tax cut with the GOP in charge.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

write in NO WAR on your ballot

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

your opting out bullshit is killing the world,

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Your actions at the booth are literally killing people.

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I vote to defeat the GOP, I don't always win but when I do things get better, when the GOP wins things get much worse, you don't give a damn about anything but getting a tax cut so of course you are happy with the GOP winning. I don't doubt there are people stupid enough to believe your bullshit,but I know the truth you support the GOP because they cut your taxes and that's the only thing you care about.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

I think your insane babbling has actually helped DKA to look inward and see a few things about some of his postings backing Democrats.

Keep up the good work. Insane ramblings like this only make Democrat/Republican supporters look that much more crazy.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

What's cute is you think we can destroy "the system" but we can't kill the GOP, you are so darn CUTE!

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

you are the Republican supporter, you support the system with your blind love of tax cuts, I have laid out a clear and possible path that will bring down the entire system, first take out one of the legs of the ladder of power, the GOP, it is true the two depend on each other and when the GOP is taken down the Dems will split into, that is how it has always been, this is how it can be done, but you don't care you want the GOP to win so you can get your tax cut.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

It's cute you think that the Dems would allow for the GOP to be taken out, like your precious little votes mean anything to either of them.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

congress to discuss immigration security over ongoing air strikes

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I know you think it doesn't matter, and it probably doesn't, Bogie got it right when he said you and me don't amount to a hill of beans, but I think the truth does matter, if we all told the truth the airstrikes would end in a bit... my point has always been that it don't matter if you sit around and talk all day if on election day you let a Republican win it just don't matter what you say. it matters what you do. There is lots more that must be done but defeating the GOP is fundamental to it all.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

Write In "NO WAR" on your signature for the Ballot

they hold election day over the people like a certain doom

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Give the 1% what they want, write in "NO WAR" on your Ballot, you are a doormat, Matt.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 1 year ago

inequality needs violent enforcement

[-] 2 points by Shule (2638) 2 years ago

Sure party politics for grins and giggles, but our Nations problems will not be solved by our current political establishmend, Republican or Democrat.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Our problems won't be solved pushing stupid conspiracy theories.

You are a GOP loving asshole who don't give a damn about wealth inequality or the concerns of the 99%

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

at question was whether a public pole would still be allowed to be determined by the public media

If everyone voted with their name| the people would know the count

without the government telling us what the election result is.

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

the outcome with the least variables is the most likely

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

You mean like either a D or a R will most likely win the seat?

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

if the seat can even be won

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

someone is almost always sworn in, then they do stuff

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I think at least a thousand angles can dance on the head of a pin...

[-] 4 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

Babylonians, base 6 number system.

assigned the 36 angles to the circle

divided those by 10 for 360 degrees

One degree is equal to 60 minutes and equal to 3600 seconds:

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

after every election somebody wins then they do stuff

the person who gets the most votes wins

people who write in "NO WAR" opt out

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Too bad all you idiots voted for the Fascists instead of Nader back in 2000. You really fucked us.

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

at least you got your tax cut, we all know that's what you care about...

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Actually everyone got screwed as usual because of you idiots, just like you all are going to screw us again in another year.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

do all you can to get people to disengage then blame others for the result, sounds about right for a shithead like you

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Disengage? I'm saying only a blind idiot would have voted for anyone BUT Nader in that election.

After NAFTA, GATT and the constant bombing of other countries, you idiot Dems came slobbering back for more. And your partners in crime thought W was the answer.

Personally I think you both are too dumb to vote.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

`First off Nader had never held office only a stupid ego whore would run for the top job as his first job, same is true for Stein, if you want to serve then do it get your ass to work and learn the job.

Anybody who thought Nader was going to win is delusional, the rest who voted for him are ego whores who think making their point is more important than what actually happens.

What happens matters!

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

I'll give rent, food, Health, Entertainment each 10% of my money

the other 60% should be to my discretion

[-] -3 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I didn't think you had a job Matt, how can you give anything?

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

I'm a banker

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I'm a professional pot grower.