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Forum Post: Why Liberals Have to Be Radicals

Posted 8 years ago on July 27, 2015, 8:46 a.m. EST by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ
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"Just about nothing being proposed in mainstream politics is radical enough to fix what ails the economy. Consider everything that is destroying the life chances of ordinary people:

Young adults are staggered by $1.3 trillion in student debt. Yet even those with college degrees are losing ground in terms of incomes.

The economy of regular payroll jobs and career paths has given way to a gig economy of short-term employment that will soon hit four workers in 10.

The income distribution has become so extreme, with the one percent capturing such a large share of the pie, that even a $15/hour national minimum wage would not be sufficient to restore anything like the more equal economy of three decades ago.

Even the mainstream press acknowledges these gaps.

The New York Times’s Noam Scheiber, using Bureau of Labor Statistics data, calculated that raising the minimum wage to $15 for the period 2009 to 2014 would have increased the total income for the 44 million Americans who earn less than $15 an hour by a total of $300 billion to $400 billion. But during the same period, Scheiber reported, the top 10 percent increased its income by almost twice that amount."



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[-] 4 points by elf3 (4203) 8 years ago

Why aren't we?...radicalizing....why do you think we aren't slamming banks and corporations into dust? What is the hold up are we waiting for it to get worse...do we need anymore proof we are being controlled and bullied into total subjugation?

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Note "Actually, Democrats Didn’t “Win” the Midterms"! .. by Danny Katch:

This is too important to summarize or edit & so it needs to be read in entirety!

et veritas vos liberabit!

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23771) 1 year ago

"The recent trend of midterm backlash has something to do with the hollowing out of U.S. democracy so that both parties have had little to offer voters beyond fear and loathing of the other party.


"The ongoing even split in the electorate is a historical oddity with many factors, but one factor that should get more attention is the tensions that exist not among voters but within each party. For Democrats, that conflict is between a voting base that is increasingly left wing and a funding base of mega donors who want their politicians to reassure them that nothing will fundamentally change. Republicans are pulled into unpopular positions by their motley array of far right donors and demagogues, but then face the need to get close enough to a majority to be within stealing distance. Perhaps our ongoing 50/50 stalemate is in part the result of both parties having ever more sophisticated voter data and predictive tools that are allowing them to perfect their ability to serve unpopular agendas while remaining within striking distance of a bare majority.

In any case, this stagnation has resulted in staving off a full Republican sweep, but we need a lot more than preservation of the status quo. While the two parties remain locked in stalemate, there are many critical fights over the next two years: reviving the Green New Deal, abortion rights, ballot initiatives, unionization struggles at Starbucks and Amazon, defeating the fascistic campaign against trans youth, and more."

From: https://truthout.org/articles/actually-democrats-didnt-win-the-midterms/

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Consider ... "Neoliberalism has reigned supreme as an economic philosophy for nearly half a century but Neoliberal policies have now wreaked havoc around the world .. reversing most gains made under managed Capitalism after the end of the Second World War. Neoliberalism works only for the rich and the huge corporations but the failures of neoliberalism extend beyond economics. They've spread into politics as the processes of social collapse bring into play menacing forces with promises of returns to lost glory. (Alas) This is the basic thrust of neofascist movements and parties in today’s world and it is Neoliberalism that has created the conditions for the resurgence of Right-Wing Extremism .. as Noam Chomsky explains in the exclusive interview below for Truthout.

"Meanwhile, protests have become far more widespread in this era of late Capitalism - so the struggle for an alternative world is very much alive indeed!"

et veritas vos liberabit!

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23771) 1 year ago

Half of younger voters want more choice.


"Overall, interest in having more political parties is higher among younger Americans than older adults. Nearly half of those ages 18 to 49 say they often wish there were more parties to choose from (47% say it describes their views extremely or very well); that compares with 35% of those ages 50 to 64 and just 23% of those 65 and older.

Neither party is very popular with the public: Roughly four-in-ten Americans (41%) have a very or somewhat favorable view of the Democratic Party, while even fewer (37%) have a favorable impression of the Republican Party."

So, how is it that they continue to impose these two failing, inadequate and corrupt parties on Americans?

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

"If the USA succeeds in Imposing Financial Neoliberalism on the world ... then other countries will end up with the same problems, that the United States is experiencing." A case in point - The UK and:

"The USA's sanctions and destruction of Nord Stream 1 AND 2 ... have made Europe dependent on US supplies - at so high a cost of LNG gas (about six times what Americans and Asians have to pay!!!) that Germany & other countries have lost their ability to compete in: steel making; glass making; aluminium; & many other sectors.This creates a vacuum which US affiliates home in to fill from their investments in other countries or even from the US itself."

et veritas vos liberabit!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 7 years ago

''Trump’s Neo-Fascism will be Built on Neo-Fascism of Obama and Democrat Party'':

From which I excerpt: ''Late on the evening of December 23, when the attention of the public was fixed on the consumerist excesses of the holiday season, President Obama signed into law the Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). Like the other NDAAs that President Obama signed into law during his administration, this one further strengthened the repressive capacities of the state.''

Happy New Year and Solidarity to yours and yours, elf.

pax ...

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 7 years ago

you put up lots of good shit mr notme! is anybody listening or is it just the 6 people here??

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

''Days of Revolt: How We Got to Junk Economics'' .. as Chris Hedges chats to Dr.Michael Hudson:

You may be interested in the first 75 seconds of P1! Happy Holidays to U & mayda & the whole crew. I sent the Alaskan's Public Defender daughter an e-mail. Will advise you of any reply. Meanwhile, see...

pax, amor et lux ...

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

godson of leon - wow - interesting info. just got his two new books. will watch chris later. yea let me know what you hear - i am not happy with the silence from my neighbor. and thanks

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

http://michael-hudson.com/ works with: https://stephaniekelton.com/ & Prof. Wm. K. Black at UMKC and they - with people like Prof. Steve Keen ( http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/ ) & others are at the heart of the ''MMT'' { https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Monetary_Theory } that we all clearly need ... given the utter bankruptcy of Neoliberal Crapitalism! Marx keeps on being proven right!! Time 4US2 wake up!!!

Btw & actually more importantly, I e-mailed ''The Alaskan's'' daughter & she has replied with promptness & grace.I'll copy the exchange to U in PM imminently. U'll forgive him for everything when you read PMs!

per ardua ad astra ...

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

no forgiveness needed just a bit concerned. as for marx - well he got some things right for sure. as you know i like s kelton and her talk in italy. simple and understandable - unlike too many. the money issue is a big one but power issues may be bigger?? solving them will not be easy - maybe one will solve the other?

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

Good news flip :-) I heard from ''The Alaskan'' - directly, by e-mail! See my PM to you.

per ardua ad astra ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

Poetic license was what was being attempted & you'll see why when you read my Private Message. I'm guessing that one of the side-effect annoyances of our frozen monikers is that we can't see PM notifiers.

Click on my moniker (''ImNotMe'') immediately above now & all will be revealed. I hope that you & yours had a good one. Solidarity flip & without wanting to burst any bubbles .. here's a link to end the day with:

Re.what U say: NO matter what the problem; Love is The Answer! Democracy + Public Banks = Key!

at spes non fracta ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

"Robin Hood in Reverse": Sanders Blasts GOP Budget Ahead of Key Senate Vote'' .. by Jake Johnson ...

and see ''American Oligarchs Are Plotting the Biggest Heist in U.S. History'', by Robert Reich:

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

"Third Party? America Doesn’t Even Have a Second Party!" by Thomas Knapp:

"Why can’t a third party breakthrough? There are plenty of reasons, but they all come back to the fact that the “major party” duopoly is actually a monopoly"!

And: "The Republicans and Democrats aren’t really two separate parties. They’re a single ruling party comprised of 2 feuding factions - which continually re-balance power and divvy up the spoils between themselves through a burlesque of “representative democracy” rigged, by the force of law to preclude meaningful competition."

ad iudicium!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

"Don’t be fooled: policymakers are quietly invoking austerity by other names" by Clara Mattei

MULTUM in parvo!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 year ago

Note - "Democrats May Lose U.S. House Because New York Dem. Leaders Were Too Focused on Defeating the Left"!!! (DemocracyNow! Video + Transcript)

pro bono publico?!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 7 years ago

OWS & this site is still relevant and the infrequent regulars here, are .. at least double figures in number!

At a time when folk are still reeling from the tRUMP win & looking for insights & ideas - this site could be

so much more IF it was opened up to new & existing users. That would require a competent & unbiased

mod tho' & that was where erstwhile mod, shooz fukt up so badly, & nearly caused jart to shut the whole

site down. These days of course she doesn't have any connection with the site. Finally.. fyi & relevant to

site, forum-post and the current circumstances, please consider ...

''Liberals have to be radicals'' but these days .. ''liberals'' ain't all that really!! Come On The Left In USA!

per aspera ad astra ...

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

Because we are stuck in this "take no sides" position people are unwilling to simply admit that the GOP must go and start taking action to make that happen. People are so concerned about "being heard" instead of getting stuff done.

People have got to haul their butts to the polls and making sure the GOP don't win at EVERY election, that's step one, it's not the end it is the beginning....

[-] 2 points by elf3 (4203) 8 years ago

Or perhaps social issues blind people to the wwf wrestling show when both parties work for multinational corporations and banks? News flash they aren't on your team...either party. Ex Obama fast tracking the carte blanche corporate wet dream...TPP. new corporate world order


[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

let's say you are correct the DNC and GOP are two sides of the same coin, would they not want you keep the balance in place by giving true radicals a place to go where their influence will not upset things? isn't that the role of the Greens and the Libs? In 2000 when so many thought the GOP in great danger due to the obvious problems on both economic front and environmental, but Nader came to their rescue and gave 5 million radicals a place to go and the GOP was saved and the balance that keeps the system in place was protected. If the people stop playing the game and kill the GOP the balance will be upset and the entire system will come down.

Now I don't think we will actually do this, it's just that having thought it through and seeing this solution i feel i must publish it somewhere.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

It is bullshit opting out like the type you support that screws us every time.


and get shit done

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1756) 8 years ago

Newsflash: Doing more of the same wont change anything. Electing a bunch of scumbags to lead you because you think the other scumbags are worse is an absolutely idiotic strategy.

Thats why it works so well. Most of you are too insane to realize what you are endorsing.

[-] 3 points by elf3 (4203) 8 years ago

Completely agree with you.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 8 years ago

Presidency cannot be won if none oppose war

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

the time is now Feel The Bern

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 7 years ago

''The 1 Percent’s Useful Idiots'', by Chris Hedges:

multum in parvo ...

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 7 years ago

Voting for the Corporate Status Quo, especially the Neoliberal / Neocon - Darling of The Scum Bankers, Hellary Rancid Clinton .. does NOT constitute "Liberals being Radicals'' & for all those who Feel or Felt - The Bern .. French Kissing Duopoly again in yet another ''Lesser Of Two Evils'' scenario - is just more of the same 40 year old Anti-99% & Pro-1% bull-shit ... that got everyone in this shit we're all still mired in.

Seeing you trying to harangue others here once again because of your continued fixation with Corporate Democraps, is as amusing as it is disappointing - however, the arguments against still have to be made!

Do feel free to remind us again how it is that you propose to ''Kill The GOP'', when the lack of education, Corporate MSM Mind-Management and massively skewed to The Right Political Culture in U$A - means ignorant RWNJ views are the USA norm?!! Have U managed to get rid of The Repugnants in AZ yet?!!!

Bernie Sanders had consistent double digit leads over tRUMP in all head to head polls & wtf did the Corporate Co-opted DNC mthrfkrs do?!!! They picked .. The Most Hated Woman In America for Dem PotUS Candidate!! And you want Occupiers & The 99% - to side with these bastards in good faith?!

You have to start thinking beyond the next election & here's a couple of links to befuddle you further:

The Democratic Party is a Counter-Revolutionary entity working FOR the 1% & run by The 0.01%!

Psychopathic Dogma of D&R embraced Neoliberalism, is The 99% Enemy!! D'u know what it is?!

respice, adspice, prospice ...

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

all we do to kill the GOP is to tell the truth, the GOP support making the rich richer and money more powerful, they can't deny it, people won't accept it and the system will fall, it's just no one is talking about that truth right now because of Trump he is saving them really, but it is possible to drive them from power because of him and that is something at least

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 7 years ago

Really?! Is that''all we do to kill the GOP''?!! I do agree that ''the GOP support making the rich richer and

money more powerful'' - BUT I'm NOT absolving the Corporate Controlled Democracps, DNC & HRC of

that either!!! 40+ years of Neoliberalism and - a Corporate Co-opted State sanctioning the propagandist,

Mind-Management of USA's 99% has now resulted in .. Turkeys Voting For Thanksgiving and a Societal

Stockholm Syndrome - which is underpinned by a self-defeating, sick latent racism that pervades White

America!!! THAT is how tRUMP and the fkn GOP can press all the buttons to get The ''Poorly Educated''

White Votes ... BUT demographics alone .. says that such days are numbered and 2016 may be the last

hurrah of The GOP - as you've known it for so long until now and thus .. it could maybe ''kill'' itself easier

than it can be ''killed''! However IF that were to be the case ... do U think that ''The People'' - will capture

Dems .. or will it be U$A's Oligarchy ... again?!

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

then i guess you're just stuck in the middle, and unable to actually create any real change, if you can remove your head from butt you might see there is a way to bring the system down but we got to change what we been doing, the Green TEA Party would be my choice, NEVER put a name on the ballot but push the Dems to the left as hard as possible in primaries

BTW the only thing that could save the GOP is a big showing for Jill at the polls the way it saved W in 2000

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 7 years ago

We have had many furious exchanges and sweary contretemps before and may do again in future but I

do believe that you're more radical than you let on with me.We both accept that Corporate Duopoly is a

fact in U$A and that radical change asap, is required. We also probably agree that US needs a political

education and a perspective that stretches beyond one election cycle. We also clearly both agreed that

Bernie as PotUS would have been a great idea. At this juncture - the American people are desperate for

real change AND prepared to clutch at straws with Donald Chump - especially as Hellary Rotten Clinton

represents US Oligarchy & War Machine Establishment & she could lose at the rate she's going! So, frf

let's wait 8 weeks & see what gives because - it's a choice between Disaster and Catastrophe right now

but both could well lead to a re-invigorated 99% Struggle! Viva The 99%! Viva OWS! Viva #S17! Be well.


[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

Anybody who votes for someone pulling 3% is an idiot and allows Trump to win, if you want real change you have to deal with reality.

I have repeatedly laid out a plan that would in fact bring down the entire current political system, how is that not radical? You mistake my doable plan as some sort "believing in their shit" I have never spoke of how great the Dems are only that the GOP MUST be killed only by doing that can we bring down this system, if we put names on the ballot and support a "relief value" for the upset people to throw their ballots in the trash can we only allow the GOP to hold power and continue to suppress votes and if they succeed we won't be able to fix it, ever.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 7 years ago

Why?! Because ''Liberals'' .. just ain't all that in U$A - especially IF the fkn bastard DNC and Dem Party

Pols are going to represent them!! LOST PotUS; House; Senate & fk knows how many other ''Dems'' in

state legislatures & now a total cunt like Trump is PotUS on <25% of eligible voters because HRC was

such a totally disconnected, incapable & unbelievable fkn fraud, and ppl saw it clearly!!!

Obama / HRC / Dems bear A LOT of responsibility for next 4 years but the mthrfkrs will STILL insist that

they are the answer next time! NO!! OWS and Bernie were truer to what US 99% need & want but scum

Corporate MSM did all they could to stymie that - AIDED AND ABETTED by a DNC/Dem Establishment

Primary Theft from Bernie so ... 2020 Foresight is going to be needed in 4 years time!!!


ad iudicium ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 7 years ago

Bar a li'l Liberal Wash, there is now so little difference between tRUMP & Hellary, that one doesn't know

whether to laugh or cry! Go on frf, try to humour me & lay out your "plan" one last time for me! tRUMP's

running HRC Very Close but Bernie would have beaten him all day and everyday and twice on Sunday!!!

The Democratic Party is a Counter-Revolutionary entity working FOR the 1% & run by The 0.01%!

Psychopathic Dogma of D&R embraced Neoliberalism, is The 99% Enemy!! D'u know what it is?!

e tenebris lux?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

has ''GOP-Lite' replaced "duopoly" as your one note?

tell me are you happy with GOP rule or is there something we could do to stop it?

YOU keep helping the GOP wn so YOU must LOVE Donald J Trump!

[-] -1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

America's Binary Corporate Duopoly, Employs Facts o'GOPlite Horror, Instigating Jingoistic Killer Lies &

Moronic Nincompoops Oppose Public Questions Relating Straight To .. USA's Virulent War/Xenophobia

Yearning Zombies!!!

So although that is an attempt at an A-Z analysis of your Democrap Addiction - an added allusion, is that

U really need an angle that's outside a D&R fixated view of U$A's Politics otherwise - your facts are fukt!

e tenebris .. lux?!

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

"The real question therefore logically follows.." you divert just like your hero Drumpf, no the real question is why when the choice before you was Drumpf or HRC you choose Drumpf, because things happened sure we must go back and tear the DNC apart because of what it did but there was a time we had to do ALL we could to stop Drumpf, you didn't do that and now he is POTUS if we are to stop the W Bush''s and Trumps of the future we must rebuke this behavior that allows them to win...

[-] 0 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

WTF are U talking about?!!! What have U been doing to stop your friends & family - from voting GOP?!!

Still offering them 'GOP-Lite'? Keep repeating your horseshit & I'll keep throwing seeds in your manure!

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

"with the same gracelessness" you help elect Donald Trump then call me graceless?

of course Bernie would have beaten Trump; the question is why in the end did YOU not do all you could to beat Trump just as Bernie did?

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

Note - "The irony is that after spending his career as a conservative Democrat, Biden’s agenda is being thwarted by his own supposed allies. He ran as a creature of the Senate - who could force Republicans to support some of his most ambitious plans due to his decades in elected office. Now, he can not even whip support - from his own party. If the Democrats had not spent decades doing everything possible to disempower the left and the party’s activist base,Biden might actually be able to advance his legislation. Unfortunately, for the millions of people in the United States ... who stand to benefit from Biden’s stalled plans, that has never been a priority for the modern Democratic Party." - from:

So - anything to say frf?!

[-] 0 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

Interested in ''of course Bernie would have beaten tRUMP''! The real question therefore logically follows

''WhyTF did the DNC support $Hillary?!! Answer that & U will have taken a Red Pill!!! Meanwhile ... read

and listen here ...

spero meliora ...

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

You are such a lover of Trump I see no reason to try to reason with you.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

But U ''see no reason to try to reason with'' ANYONE really & that you are a boar, boor and bore .. are

the the facts that aren't fun here!!! U can't face or make the arguments bar the same clap-trap focused

on your half of The Con-Troll-ed Opposition Corporate Duopoly - are masquerading as a Democracy in

U$A!! Amazing how U respond to year old comments, with the very same gracelessness - U've always

displayed! Ho hum but the work goes on ...

respice; adspice; prospice ...

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4203) 7 years ago

U can't use a corrupt system to fix the system...otherwise burnie would have won the primary for us. You want to be really radical and break the system? Elect trump serves both parties right. The restablishment isnt happy with him either...he wants to shut down the tpp and slave trade plus end rich tax shelters and loopholes that enable companies and hedge funds from abusing our citizenry using our resources paying nothing offshoring headquarters...so Fuck it. Obama is a republican...if u didn't notice so is hillary. I want someone the media aka corporate propaganda machine is campaigning against...that seems to be trump...while i disagree with his personality and many views...there is a big chunk that is actually in line with what occupy has been fighting for....so hmmm...

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

I apologize it is difficult for me to understand someone so stupid that they would allow Trump to become POTUS, but I do think your words speak for themselves.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4203) 7 years ago

Then do what the corporations tell you...vote for hillary black or white thinking is personality disordered thinking it is killing our world. Regulating immigration is not exactly evil. Maybe it makes some sense...maybe it isn't all bad. Maybe we don't nesc want mexican gangs sex and gun traffickers flooding into our country? Hillary sat on the board of walmart for six years while nafta was being pushed through her husband was president...they were headquartered in arkansas...while he was governor. Look at the slavery in china so that walmart could profit...?and she is your woman?

Add to that she is so " into helping minorities" but who does this affect predominantly poor and minority communities. Gangs aren't dealing from white town usa they set up shop in poor areas I should know I live in one and we are infested with immigrant gangs. They shoot people commit crime and destroy communities...sell drugs to kids...so I guess if you are rich you really wouldn't experience the direct effect of the illegal guns drug cartels and street gangs taking over...and you can afford to take a blanket stance that all immigration is pure as fresh fallen snow...but it is crap. Just like welfare somehow needs no regulation and can police itself...ha...because everyone is honest and true...again crap. That is like saying banks are capable of policing themselves. Fraudsters and crooks run through all walks of life. It just deoends on whose ox is getting gored I guess that minds...and I can see that for a lot of low income individuals it might irk them that a welfare fraudster can get away with milking an unregulated system and end uo with a larger income than the person who is working....or how our education system is underfunded because despite our huge taxes higher than most rich towns around us ...it mostly goes to police to combat the violence...shootings in broad daylight...armed robberies...and even with good immigrants when you flood the market with a surge of uneducated labor this predominantly affects the undereducated and poorer worker...it dilutes their wages and creates further competition. ...you can't ignore how that affects the poor and minorities or how it affects those barely holding in to middle class in their safe community...they know they could fall and they know what awaits them if they do...crime ridden dirty shitholes because after all the money we pay policing gangs...there is nothing left to fix blight or fix roads and the fallout is huge...all around. So yeah there is a problem that unregukated immigration creates. Maybe you feek uncomfortable talking about that...maybe your family is so rich u don't have to worry that it will touch you?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

wow you are like little mini Trump aren't you?

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4203) 7 years ago

So follow the bouncing ball with me on a little political dance called puppetmasters it goes like this: two parties under one corporation every four years they switch roles ...deocrats get in office they don't fight all the damages and correct the problems that were started by the other party they basically watch the economy fall...do nothing and get blamed by the people...the other oarty swoops back in blaming the democrats for the terrible state of things...they make sweeping authoritarian corporate changes that furthers destroys labor and the non rich...democrats win the next election..and on and on it goes...however ...it is just for show...sweeping change ...a slight respite so we don't rebel and it looks like we have some control...then even more radical sweeping changes...except both parties work for the same guy...wallstreet...so what difference does it make who we ekect at this point...anyway? Only the wallstreet players get to take the stage to start with...unless maybe you are so rich like trump or kerry and you can maybe get around that...I don't know...fuck it...wallstreet doesn't like independent wealth they like their politicians beholden...they destroyed kerry...so I kind of want to see what happens if we all surprise them and elect trump...it could get kind of intense and at worse...at least democrats will stop being the fallguy party?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

so it was thinking like yours that gave us W Bush and all that he brought with him and kept the "evil corporate owned" Gore out of office thus ensuring the destruction of the planet, let me ask you are you proud of the Iraq War? is that your crowning achievement?

oh in case there is anyone who doesn't know already, you are a f'ing idiot.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

"Manchin Joins Sinema in Destroying Democratic Hopes to Pass Voting Rights"! by Brett Wilkins:

"We're old enough to remember a whole month ago when both Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin voted to make an exception to the filibuster for the debt ceiling," - 'Public Citizen' sardonically noted."

cave - anguis in herba!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

WTF is going on in Arizona frf?!!!

"Kyrsten Sinema sits for rare interview; it ends in disaster" Senema = Democrap!

multum in parvo!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

"AOC Warned about Manchin’s betrayal; Democratic Leaders chose to ridicule her!" by William Rivers Pitt:

"Ocasio-Cortez has become the new Cassandra of Troy, foreseeing Manchin's betrayal as Democrats did nothing to stop it."

Subtitled, "Bernie Sanders: Manchin “doesn’t have the guts to stand up to powerful special interests”!

respice et adspice!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

''The Reality Oprah helped us Create: Disempowering People from Changing an Unjust Society'', by Alison Rose Levy:

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23771) 6 years ago

Be grateful for the crumbs you have. That was Oprah's mantra, really. I found that to be a fascinating article because it is so difficult to explain the subterfuge of her message and how it promotes the status quo of inequality and injustice.

From the article:

"Winfrey encouraged her audience to ignore mounting inequity, and instead to buy into the three most famous self-help truisms, promoted by her and many of her guests:

  1. "You create your own reality."

  2. "You can't change anything outside of yourself."

  3. "The only thing you can control is your response to it."

Basically, if you complain then you are not well-adjusted, not evolved, not enlightened. If you are those things then you accept and have peace and you "cope" with your problems be they economic tyranny or imprisonment or whatever.

Such a load of horse crap. I'm glad people are on to her. She's a modern day version of Edward Bernays.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

''Democratic Think Tank Pushes Proposal Designed to Prevent Medicare for All'', by Dr. Margaret Flowers:

Oprah Winfrey is just like those RW Stink-Tanx & is part of US' Corporate Mind Management Machine!

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23771) 6 years ago

Nudge Theory, an economic theory from the dark side, is a way of controlling the masses. And, of course, a nobel prize was given to it's theorist. Why? Because taming the people is something the oligarchs laud. Read about it:


Seems like Nudge Theory is being used in the fraudulent proposal designed to confuse the public and prevent medicare for all that you outline above. See:


In total, one of the main problems for the people (not the State and oligarchs, they love it) is that we do not teach people how to think critically. Therefore, the masses are easy to dupe.

Therefore, it is up to each and every one of us to discern and question everything our government and corporations and oligarchs do until money is out of politics because our government right now is not "for the people" it's "for the oligarchs."

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

Understanding "Nudge Theory" is now very important ... given what the US/UK (and other) Govts., are

inflicting on The 99%. Thanx for these important links, tho' I think the first from UK's ''The Independent''

is a little too kind to the concept, imo. I believe that ''Nudge Theory'' was/is very much at the heart with

everything going on with Cambridge Analytica & Facebook data etc. In compliment, please consider ...

caveat emptor ...

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 6 years ago

Oprah is just a currently out-of-political-power oligarch. In Russia, an oligarch swings the government to censor social media. Orangutan is swinging around grasping at every branch. Between Orangutan and Oprah, I choose Orgasm.

The globalized helpline says, "Press '1' for English. Press '2' for Spanish... Press 'O' for Orgasm." Where's the 'O' button? Did Roastgonadsaur spit fire and burn it away so that no man can actually testify because they have all become eunuchs? How can we men play balls if there are no balls? Most sports are actually Sickman Freund's Jewish impotence contraptions for putting a ball into a hole ( golf ), a hoop ( basketball ), or a goal ( foolßball or dringenkwestie for the pro-state-enlarged ones 》ihr verliert das Spiel immer《; Dutch is explicitly descriptive of the subconscious origin ) to divert attention from the testes' monies.

Damn, there's only the squeezed-tightwad '0' button on the phone's keypad for '1' infinite loop: 010101010101... Is it a '1' or is it a '0', English or Hispanic? Or is it dithering? It's the bivector representing the imaginary unit ( 'i' for mathematicians and physicists but 'j' for electrical engineers { who are not egotists and just love to fry "the others" with amperage } and Python coders ) 'necessary' ( according to Josiah Willard Gibbs, father of vector calculus; who's the mother? Kyle's mom ) to 'transcend' the plane of reality in real 2-dimensional Euclidean space.

The strength of a nation lies not in the march of its army but in its mighty right. Army ants in every pot? Of course, going after the socialist-with-Chinese-characteristics "chicken in every pot." 《男人也是人,女人也是人 ,为什么人压人?Ami, Ami, Ami!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

OWS was & still is, the wind in Bernie's sails & so here is an article against any admirable attributes...

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 7 years ago

''The Shameful Foundation of the Clintons' Power'', by Eric Ruder:

''The practices of the Clinton Foundation illustrate the total embrace of neoliberalism and the free market by the Clinton clan -- to the family's enormous financial benefit.''

radix omnium malorum est cupiditas ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 years ago

"Trump Embodies the Crisis of Capitalism: A Conversation With Naomi Klein'', by Laura Flanders:

Nice forum-post; decent thread; good links and humility &/or hubris aside, I'm glad to be able to add to it.

radix omnium malorum est cupiditas ...

[-] 2 points by lugano (1221) 8 years ago

The Democratic Party has been working hard at co-opting Occupy Wall Street since day one. Why? Because they left their "left" behind a long time ago and they know it. But, this movement, the Occupy movement is amorphous and it's an idea, not something they can actually takeover so easily, though they work hard at it. They don't get it, that Occupy is not about the status quo, it's not about this political party or that political party. It's about fairness and justice and equality and human rights in the whole, in the global sense of the whole.


The above is a repeat of bw's good comment because of the 'OWS' clarity of the thinking exhibited @ ...


Like they understand ''Neocon'' when it comes to foreign policy .. ''Radicals'' and their like in US have to stop being reactively scared of the word ''Neoliberal'' and see it for what it is.

It is absolutely not anything to do with 'Liberal' politically but has everything to do with a faux construct of an economic theory which looks back to a deluded view of false halcyon days of a 'Classical Liberal Economics' - as it was espoused by the then British Empire .. which TOTALLY disregards the 'captive markets' and very little real competition, implicit in ''Empire''.Maybe that's why it translates to our time!

The ''Neoliberal Economics'' of today as pushed by - 'Free Market Think Tanks', Bankers & Corporations now is the TPP/TTIP Pushing; Medicare Privatizing; Marketizing Everything; Pro-'For Profit Healthcare & Education'- psychopathology which infects our culture today. The RWNJs - who push this nonsense are deniers of ''Society & Community'' and the blind worshippers of ''Profit & Money''.

To resist these Corporations, Bankers & Politico-Legal ''Elites" is the duty of ALL those who love OWS! Finally please consider: http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/30936-the-left-matters-now-more-than-ever

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

Some people are more concerned about wealth inequality than being "co-opt" but the biggest co-opters on this site are those that support ego driven bullshit parties like the Greens, they do nothing but elect the GOP and don't give a damn about the issues. They care only for what helps their dreams of power.

[-] 2 points by lugano (1221) 8 years ago

Re.Bernie Sanders, I really do wonder what you'd have thought of him had he had the temerity to run as an Independent! However, I see in your (justified) enthusiasm for him - the same truth I see in the many millions of Bernie fans; a very deep desperation for Non-Pro-Corporation; True 99% Policies and a deep 'radicalism' that has a Very Wide Appeal due to its compassion, logic & fundamental appeal to fairness.

This further proves just how Corporate Controlled and Co-opted DNC & Dem Pols On The Hill - really are and just how detached they have become from The 99% Base. You really need to get over your fixations set in the past and to try to get your head around the future for your kids & grandkids, beyond just 2016!

Ergo consider: http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jul/17/postcapitalism-end-of-capitalism-begun and then please also try to reflect on .... http://occupywallst.org/forum/trump-this/#comment-1064536

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

Any idiot ego whore that puts their name on the ballot and helps elect the GOP is worst than the GOP and is responsible for all they do, I have been very clear about this, Bernie, not being an idiot ego whore, would not do that. Nothing is worst than these ego whores that want to be President without ever serving in any other capacity within government.

[-] 3 points by lugano (1221) 8 years ago

So how long was Bernie Sanders an ''Independent'' & why?You need to stop projecting your umbrage at your Repugnant voting kith & kin onto other people, u binary-blinded, ''Corporate Donkey 'as opposed to' Corporate Elephant'' fixated oaf! + see http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-democrat-haters-score-another-big-they-got-tpp/#comment-1064831 tho' as that may get ''Removed'' by your DNC-loving pal, I'll have to repeat again ...

here: ''[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 hours ago - If you deny that Obama had working majorities in Both Houses for nearly 3 months, then you are just a blatant liar - which you are already by accusing anyone on these boards of ''opting out''.Your idea of the ''political process'' of course - merely fixates on D and R, so there is no point asking you about Kshama Sawant really .. is there? I do wonder wtf you think OWS is really all about tho'!! For you to ''Remove'' my reply because you can not face the truth of it and reply, shows one of the major problems on this forum still.''

You need to look at the two links in my previous reply immediately above if you are to have any relevant opinions about the future OR voting. I've got to get on with my day but as ever, I promise relevant replies later. Adios & finally fyi: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article42555.htm and take time to see http://occupywallst.org/forum/trump-this/#comment-1064536 - IF u really give a shit about people voting! Unquestioningly voting for Dems isn't ''liberals being radical'' btw, but no matter - just have another drink.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

you need to stop electing Republicans

[-] 2 points by lugano (1221) 8 years ago

IF you really give a shit about people voting, consider reading :

http://occupywallst.org/forum/trump-this/#comment-1064536 -

Your politics are closer to Reptiles - than mine ever could be!

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

I encourage people to defeat the GOP you urge people to elect the GOP, you and other idiots like you work for the 1% to elect the GOP to keep them rich.

[-] 2 points by lugano (1221) 8 years ago

Would it be too much to ask you to please stop reflexively brainfarting reactionary responses at me?

Also do try to consider: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/08/freshmen-congresspeople-sabotage and see


[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

If you got something to say, say it here and I will reply, meanwhile I will repeat, letting the GOP win is stupid as shit and you do nothing to defeat them, you should take your head from your ass and get to work creating change.

If we rid ourselves of the GOP we would have public funding for elections, Bernie support public funding, but you just bitch and praise Trump, WTF?

[-] 2 points by lugano (1221) 8 years ago

John McCain is Senator for Arizona, right? That's where you live - right? So- how have YOU frf and your family and friends; kith and kin .. been ''letting the GOP win" and return that warmongering piece of shit to Congress? Is it your fault that you have failed to ''rid yourselves'' of him in particular - OR The GOP in general? Are you to blame? Or have you nothing to add, but your now old and rancid false aspersions?

Re. Trump, please try to consider: ''The Republican Party wants to distance itself from its most popular presidential candidate. But Trump's loathsome rhetoric is wholly consistent with its policies. Donald Trump's presidential candidacy is the best thing to have happened to American politics in a long time, if only because it is exposing Republican barbarism.''

From - http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/Trump-Says-Out-Loud-What-GOP-Believes-But-Wont-Say-Publicly-20150812-0016.html & rest assured frf, this bastard's views & policies are way closer to yours than they ever could be to mine & try to remind yourself now ''why liberals have to be radicals''!

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

Welcome to the party...


look shadz it's not too late, you could get involved and help instead of dividing us and letting the 1% win, we could do some great stuff this time around and there is someone carrying the message and tens of thousands are coming out everywhere to hear it, we had shot in 2000 to seriously address climate change and a bunch of ego whores and idiots let it slip away, we now have a chance to address wealth inequality and I really hope we don't let it slip away.....

[-] 2 points by lugano (1221) 8 years ago

Why do I suspect that the only ''us'' you're referring to here is Democratic Corporate Ass/Donkey? News for you: that is the side of The US Duopoly that the socially pseudo-liberal factions of The 1% prefer too! Bernie is the best hope that The US 99% have had in a long time & why are ''tens of thousands'' coming out to see him? In short why does BS appeal so much to The 99% & left/liberal/progressives in the US?

Because no Corporate Donkey Dem Pols have spoken like BS for over two generations, with honorable exceptions like: Dennis Kucinich & Cynthia McKinney (who were gerrymandered out by The DNC). The point here is BS is showing exactly what Corporate Dems Party Pols & The DNC have singularly failed to address in 40/50 years. Do you get that point? Or - am I an ''ego whore'' in your conservative world in the (ever drying) desert, for mentioning that?

Re.Wealth Inequality, try to consider these:




[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 8 years ago

that is how power can be removed from an unresponsive group

[-] 3 points by lugano (1221) 8 years ago

You're right & ''communication'' for The Information Function, is why I like to think I'm here, although of course I can descend into bickering too. Ho hum & see http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/32465-sen-bernie-sanders-the-financial-rules-are-rigged-to-favor-the-1 (Video + Transcript) and well worth a watch.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

What total bullshit, as soon as someone takes on the "name" of democrat you find a reason to oppose them, you are the one fixated on names, I am posting to change the world, you don't like what must be done so you lie and talk bullshit, but it is you that is fixed on a "name". Instead of action I see a path of action, I see a political party committed solely to making the rich richer and I know that party must be opposed at all levels in order to accomplish action, you don't give a damn about what happens, if the rich get richer or money more powerful, you are only concerned with your own personal power.

[-] 0 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 8 years ago

spare me the humiliation of being ignore

the degradation of discount

and waste of being discarded

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

The best hope lies in seizing the moment and killing the GOP once and for all, this could be a huge shift as Americans get fed up with the rich taking everything, but idiots with dreams of their whole power will seek to divide us and allow the GOP to win and we will end up with more divided government and whining instead of action.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 8 years ago

Only problem with Bernie is that while it seems he is so outspoken, its really just that we have been trained to expect so little from them.

Someone like me looks at Bernie as kinda meh, ok, whatev. I mean, you better believe that if the markets tank he'll be the first one calling for more of our money to be dumped into it,

[-] 2 points by lugano (1221) 8 years ago

Ouch but right now Bernie is The Best The US 99% have got ... however what happens when and after The DNC throw him under the bus - remains to be seen! US 99% don't need a Man or a Moment, they need a Movement! Further to your points, please do try to closely consider the implications of this link now http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/32501-casino-capitalism-economist-michael-hudson-on-what-s-behind-the-stock-market-s-rollercoaster-ride (Video & Transcript) & don't forget Resistance Is Fertile! +: http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/32465-sen-bernie-sanders-the-financial-rules-are-rigged-to-favor-the-1

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 8 years ago

I live a blessed life

I don't mind that I can't afford to fly

stop violent actions

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

While Republicans and Clinton supporters attack Bernie Sanders for being a "socialist," they conveniently forget that Vermont's Senator voted against the Wall Street bailouts. Sanders also predicted the eventual economic catastrophe in 1999, when he voted against the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act. He again echoed these same fears in 2003, when he blasted Alan Greenspan for Wall Street's excesses and America's growing wealth inequality.


[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

So you would allow the GOP to win?

You are stupid as shit Shadz.

[-] 2 points by lugano (1221) 8 years ago

So again, why does Bernie Sanders appeal so much to The 99% & left/liberal/progressives in the USA?

Because no Corporate Donkey Dem Pols have spoken like BS for over two generations, with honorable exceptions like Dennis Kucinich & Cynthia McKinney (who were gerrymandered out by The DNC). The point here is BS is showing exactly what Corporate Dems Party Pols & The DNC have singularly failed to address in 40/50 years and Bernie is something the DNC & Dem Party Pols are not & never can be.

This thread and its title speak volumes so get with The Program, you perpetually hung over oaf.This site is about The 99% .. NOT about sell out Corporate Donkey DNC ass-lickers - got that? So stop reducing everything to a binary of Repellent Repugnant Corporate Elephant / Corporate Donkey model & consider

That - ''First, however, Americans must break free of the apathy-inducing turpor of politics, entertainment spectacles and manufactured news. Only once we are free of the chains that bind us — or to be more exact, the chains that “blind” us—can we become actively aware of the injustices taking place around us & demand freedom from our oppressors.'' - http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article42718.htm

Further, try to consider the implicarions of this link ... http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/32501-casino-capitalism-economist-michael-hudson-on-what-s-behind-the-stock-market-s-rollercoaster-ride -- (Video)

From which I excerpt: ''The real problem is that we're still in the aftermath of when the bubble burst in 2008, that all of the growth in the economy has only been in the financial sector, in the monopolies - only for the 1 percent. And it's as if there are two economies, and the 99 percent has not grown. And so, the American economy is still in a debt deflation. So the real problem is, stocks have doubled in price since 2008 & the economy, for most people, certainly who listen to your show, hasn't grown at all.

''So, the real problem is that we're in a nonrecovery in America, and Europe is in an absolute class war of austerity. That's what the eurozone is, an austerity zone. So that's not growing. And that's really what's happening. And all that you saw on Monday was just sort of like a shift, tectonic shift, is people realizing, "Well, the game is up, it's time to get out." And once a few people want to get out, everybody sees the game's up.

''.. most people think of parasites as sort of just taking, taking money from the economy, and the 1 percent is sort of sucking up all the income from the 99 percent. But in nature, what parasites do, they don't simply take. In order to take, they have to take over the brain of the host. And economists have a word, "host economy." It's for a foreign country that lets American investors in. Smart parasites help the host grow. But the parasite, first of all, has to make the host believe that the intruder is actually part of the body, to be nurtured and taken care of. And that's what's happened in national income accounting in America and in other countries. The newspapers and the media - not your show, but most of the media - treat the financial sector as if that's really the economy, and when the stock market goes up, the economy is going up. But the economy isn't going up at all.

''So you have Wall Street people basically running politics, whether they're the actual politicians - Obama didn't work on Wall Street, but he worked with the real estate families. No matter who the president is, they're going to appoint Treasury heads and Fed, Federal Reserve, heads from Wall Street. Wall Street has a veto power on all the major Cabinet positions, and so, essentially, the economy is being run by the financial sector for the financial sector. That's the problem with politics in America today.'' - but for things to really change: ''liberals have to be radicals'' & get over their inner 'conservative'!

Finally, try to watch this again (when u r sober!) ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsMn

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 months ago

Note: "The failure of the liberal class to halt the corporate assault on working people has spawned an ascendant Christian fascism that is poised to seize power and radically reshape America." ---- FROM:

MULTUM in parvo!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 months ago

61% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck; 41% are struggling to pay

the bills; 12% do not have enough to eat - and yet this prevails in U$A ...

This is exactly how idiots like Joe Biden feed, fuel & enable - Fascism in U$A!

By fuelling RW populism and pretending to be "liberals", while hating The Left!

"A textbook case of Genocide" Israeli Holocaust scholar Raz Segal decries!

A very powerful, clear & unforgiving critique, of the "liberal" colonialist mindset!

fiat lux et fiat justitia!

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I remember when I thought that likeminded people could meet here and discuss how to move forward, but it died because a few people insisted on promoting the Greens above all others...I remember as one by one people who wanted real change were driven off by the single-minded fools.

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 2 years ago

Maybe these people have just forgotten their passwords so they cannot participate anymore ( some might have been favored as Enoch was, and thus struck down by the arrows of YHWH to preserve them unchanged for the Second Coming.) This forum has been closed to new users for years already so it has to die eventually.

The destiny of everything is the Heat Death. Don't be sad -- the jury has already spoken the verdict a long time ago. Everyone is going towards the Heat Death.

The Clintons were globalists and did a few major things wrong: globalization of trade and the nonchalant expansion of NATO. The U.S. imported poverty, unemployment, un-American cultures, novel diseases, and created a formidable new Red-fascist enemy abroad. We should've known that one who could lead a patrol of young girl scouts up the mountain and sweet-talk them into defilement might be one who's up to no good. America had Clintonization ( for triangulation, "Red is Red; all my babes are Red," "Blue is Blue; why must her dress be Blue? " ) as Germany had Schroederization.

It's still CoViD-19 era, as delivered by air. We've already lived through CoViD-20, CoViD-21, and now CoViD-22... De-globalization's Voluntary Apartheid has worked well so far in limiting the death counts in the less-vaccinated or lousy-efficacy-vaccinated countries. I still wear masks whenever I go outside and wash my hands well with soap and warm water before I go outside and after I've come back from outside. I very much prefer that the U.S.A. didn't import CoViD-19. Alas !

I'm unhappy about how the recent booster shot was administered to me. It was far more bureaucratic and well delayed than the previous shots. It might have been the "pubic-private-suck-data partnership" at work. What particularly incensed me is that there is so much garbage data out there which smart-aleck dumb asses hold fast as truth. "Garbage in garbage out" and yet the dumb asses want more data. Ah know, Ah know. That very wise kid gave me an astonishing prescription for solving constipation: eat more and sooner or later it will all come back out. Shit, shit, shit !

Civilians should take heed of the "mark of Caine." Russian peasants knew how to get out of the way fighting their aristocrats' war in the Russian Revolution.

Simple gifts come in a dense cloud in which the volcanic basalt meets the lightning storm.

It looks like Pootin desiring moving Russia to the border of N.A.T.O. and helping it to expand greatly. Pootin isn't afraid of N.A.T.O. surrounding Russia. Russia drove out the Viking royalty and people only to invite them back to rule again so maybe Finland and Sweden joining N.A.T.O. would please Pootin, too. Finland joining and Japan going nuclear and also joining followed by South Korea doing the same make a lot of sense when Russia invades Ukraine again. Viking stock can rule. We can start with the Finlandization of Russia. Without the Asian part of Russia, it's just no match of many European countries. It's been nearly overrun a few times already, only to have its Asian part coming in to rescue it yet again.

Maybe Russian noblemen were as rational as the English ones when they chopped off their king's head. Avoiding a civil war in the power vacuum meant inviting the deposed former ruler back. Russia reveres Catherine the Great who came from what is now Germany and was married into Russian royalty so foreigners ruling seemed fine for Russia.

It's not unusual for neighbors' descendants to get married despite their ending up in different jurisdictions and speaking different languages or dialects. My parents were such a case. It seemed pretty "messed up" from the outside but to me it was perfectly natural to speak to each person differently, including in frequency-hopping mode of standardly Sinicized and Romanized Qinglish. Whatever works well endures, depending upon the level of knowledge and understanding of the parties to the communication.

Actually, looking at the previous wars with missile usage, nuclear warheads aren't required to wreak havoc so the U.S. already has ICBMs which have the global reach. It's cheaper however for Finland, Japan, and South Korea ( North Korea already owns more longer range missiles, nuclear bombs of different yields; North Koreans are D. radiodurans like New York was a big fat piece of rotten pork in the words of a hiring manager so DPRK is Mars-panspermly spray Untouchable ) to own shorter range missiles for targeting their neighbors with kinetic-kill vehicles. Japan already possesses much of that capability so we may only need to help Japan with accurate guidance and targeting. South Korea also has ¿short-range? missiles. Maybe these countries can form the Peri-Russia Non-Proliferation Defense League for Small-Land-Area Peace-Loving Nations. It's pretty easy for Finland to take out St. Petersburg and Moscow while leaving South Korea and Japan to mop up Khabarovsk and Vladivostok ( Bixi said that these were a part of the integral mainland of the Ching/Qing dynasty, the biggest loss of territories by China during its Century of Humiliation so now Red China is strong enough to take all of the land back with the assistance of the "one-single-people" partner -- rearmed Japan; I endorse this undertaking, in Russian style of course, to restore stolen property to the rightful owner; 1.5 billion Chinese must repatriate what is rightfully Chinese.)

Where the hell is Major Kong ? Negotiating in Zhongnanhai regarding international security legal guarantees by Russia for Kauai ?

Language frames what one can perceive or think of:


Russians can keenly distinguish light blue from dark blue, unlike native English speakers.

"Weapons" interrupting communication can alter outcome uncontrollably:


if "tools" opening up circular time is desired.

Generally when in Rome, do as the Romans do: it's how Peter created Christianity out of a minor Jewish sect of Judaism. Under Peter's leadership, Christianity no longer required Gentiles' circumcision because Abraham hadn't been circumcised before he found favor with and was then blessed by God with more children and children's children.. more numerous than all the sand grains on beaches or all the stars in heaven despite Sarah's being of too old an age to bear children. Holy Bible implies that we "the children of Abraham" started from the semen squirted out of an uncircumcized penis. "E PLVRIBVS VNVM" was a made-"ancient" religious compromise. I eat beef but not in the presence of Hindus. I eat pork but not in the presence of Muslims. I actually believe that I eat nucleonic "water droplets" or quarky "soup," and electronic "soufflés" so generally don't ask me what I believe in the presence of other people. Besides religion, partisan politics is another usually unfathomable kooky just-pain-no-gain topic unless one knows the open-mindedness of the participants for certain. My fixation on beef and pork originated from British experience in Old India with Pakistan and Bangladesh included in now India. Even just rumors of beef and pork could start a war and sink a mighty empire. It's why ALL empires were authoritarian and repressive, regardless of the initial intentions of the governing culture. The sharpest & strong incisive weapons such as sword combine hardness/brittleness-if-in-bulk on the outside and flexibility/soft-weakness-if-in-bulk on the inside.

Unlike U.S. plantation masters, I wouldn't ejaculate any of my children into slavery. Abraham's White supremacy was probably confined to the omni-color of the all-encompassing semen from his uncircumcised penis. Just as "blue" is in physics a far hotter color than "red," God the physicist couldn't have allowed black no-color semen, right ? Right, of course, from any free-range VFO Christian.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Maybe the moon is made of chesse, weren't you here?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 years ago

"Why Liberals Have to Be Radicals"

by the guy who would vote for sHillary Rotten Clinton

Ironic much?

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

You LOVE Donald Trump, you adore Donald Trump, Donald Trump is YOUR greatest hero.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 years ago

U r so severely mentally challenged. Do U think t DNC picked up seats because they r beloved? It happened because DJT & t GOP r Hated by t sane & t sane saw that opting out because gov pissed them off was not an answer, proof = Drumpf as president. But if t DNC does not start seriously serving t general public instead of giving out only lip-service while continuing 2 cater pretty much exclusively 2 t wealthy few........ well t DNC's recent gains will evaporate (again) & things will continue 2 get worse. So....thank Drumpf 4 t GOP's recent losses - but don't expect it 2 continue without t DNC really supporting t public! If t DNC does not immediately work 4 t general public - then u can expect things 2 go 2 hell much more quickly as t people realize there is no representation 4 them in either t most evil GOP or in t lesser evil DNC.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

I think Donald J Trump is in the WH because YOU helped to put him there, I think you love Donald Trump YOU are Donald J Trump's greatest friend.

Like I've said before people on here who hate the DNC more than GOP are Donald Trump's biggest supporters.

You can point fingers and try to cast blame all you want to but in the end when it mattered YOU choose Trump!

[-] 2 points by agkaiser (2516) from Fredericksburg, TX 6 years ago

Nobody here is anything like:

"... I've said before people on here who hate the DNC more than GOP are Donald Trump's biggest supporters."

I've almost stopped reading you altogether. Rave on. Soon no one will pay the slightest attention to you.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

The people on here ran off all the serious people years ago, I just stay to show that truth don't back down...

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

The Green Party political hacks hounded all the serious people till they found it not worth hanging around.

Now OWS has been pretty much completely co-opted by the stinking ego whore Green Party.

That's why it's such a dead forum and movement, the Greens killed it.

[-] -1 points by flip (7101) 6 years ago

you mean some here pay attention to frf - wow - surprising

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 6 years ago

I would do what is necessary to keep Trump from the WH you wouldn't, that's what makes YOU his greatest supporter.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 7 years ago

last i knew you were a jfk liberal - you ok

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

Did jfk say kill the GOP? I forget.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 7 years ago

very interesting non response - i am assuming that is a yes. and are you voting for radical hillary?

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

and I suppose you will vote to keep the balance of power so the system can continue?

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 7 years ago

emma goldman

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

the 1% thank you

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 8 years ago

Do you people know that Air America Radio broadcasts (most of the same hosts and shows) still exist, ONLINE and on just a few remaining RADIO STATIONS.

Ring of Fire : http://www.ringoffireradio.com/

Thom Hartmann: http://www.thomhartmann.com/

Alan Colmes : http://radio.foxnews.com/fox-news-talk/alan-colmes

KBBR 1340 AM : http://www.1340kbbr.com/common/page.php?id=161

Progressive Talk Radio (everywhere) : http://tunein.com/radio/Progressive-Talk-c57925/

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

What our supporters pulled off Wednesday night was nothing short of historic. With more than 100,000 people at 3,500 events in every single state, it was the first step towards building the organization that will help make Bernie Sanders our next president.

This story from one of our hosts really captures just how special it all was:

  • "I met numerous new friends and neighbors I didn't know. Our area of Florida is generally very Red. We were all stunned at the number of people who turned out to support Bernie. Listening to people talk about why they are supporting Bernie was truly incredible. There was a moment when we all realized that we're in this together and really became excited about being here." - Matthew in FL

We're in this together, and it's time to get to work. Watch this video showcasing our first organizing meetings and tell us how you can help our campaign.

July 29 Video

The stories behind some of the organizing meetings are just so inspiring. People are already bringing together their communities, connecting with strangers -- and even pulling each other's dogs out of the bayou!

  • "One lady was surprised to see two of her friends/colleagues at the meeting. As they embraced she said, 'I had no idea you guys were Bernie people!' While we all got a good laugh, it was also a teachable moment! You will never know who is a Bernie person, unless you engage them and ask!" - Tariq in Georgia

  • "A major highlight in our group was when Bernie spoke about free college education for all who wanted it. The response among our group was overwhelmingly tremendous as we also viewed on the screen. The excitement about the event was such, people hung around after getting to know one another, noshing and networking for another hour. We have never seen this kind of excitement among strangers coming together." - Herb in CA

  • "Feel the Bern salsa was a big hit - until the dog got some!" - Nick in CA

  • "Everyone couldn't stop applauding during Bernie's speech! It was a great mix of ages. I literally never met so many nice people. One lady brought me a pink t-shirt that says 'This Babe's for Bernie' with two thumbs up on it." - Margaret in OH

  • "It was wonderful! My guests, who ranged in ages from 10 to nearly 70, were all so engaged! We talked, laughed, I personally even cried when I told how much this campaign means to me...and got me a nice big awww...which brought me back to smiling." - Nancy in OH

  • "Our group was so motivated we decided we'll get together every two weeks and gather more and more people for our meetings." - Andie in TX

  • "Someone drove 100 miles to learn more about Bernie and walked out a supporter and caucusing in February. A 17-year-old volunteer took charge to lead the post video talk and did fantastic." - Thatcher in IA

  • "The best part of the event was having nine of us sitting in my backyard, total strangers, learning why we support Bernie. Essentially telling our journey. It was more than hearing someone's political views though, it was so very human and quite touching." - Griffith in UT

  • "We drew people in from other parts of the library!" - Lindsay in CO

  • "We had a couple of folks who came and were initially skeptical and just wanted to hear what Bernie had to say. After the video, they signed up to volunteer!" - Averi in CO

  • "One lady took the city bus across town and called from five blocks away saying she got too hot walking and please come get her. As it was over 100 degrees, we dispatched a car and a bottle of water immediately. She recovered and attended the meeting. People showed up. We ate Biscuits and Briskets for Bernie. We had some good wine. We watched the live feed on a big TV. During the broadcast it was as quiet as monks at church. People took it all quite seriously. They were attentive and engaged. A frank and spirited discussion of the issues followed. We left the meeting more strongly unified and with a sense of purpose. Everyone gave something and most volunteered for campaign work." - Matthew in TX

  • "We had a lovely backyard party planned...all set up with the proper number of tables and chairs, snacks, drinks, etc. Just as attendees were starting to arrive, the rain came. We had a torrential downpour that lasted well into the viewing of the speech. The energy of 20+ complete (wet) strangers crowded around a computer in my little family room (with a few additional laptops and tablets) was amazing. We hung on Bernie's every word...we applauded at every new idea he presented. What an exciting event." - Linda in MI

  • "We had snacks: 'Campaign Trail Mix'; We had games: 'Make Your Own Pocket Constitution' and 'The Pin the Presidential Seal on the Bernie Sanders' Podium Game'. Mostly, we had 27 very thoughtful, often questioning people who came from all walks of life, young first-time voters, educators, unemployed PHDs, a doorman, architects and students. Some knew of Bernie for decades, some just heard of him recently. All agreed on Bernie's authenticity." - Nora in WA

  • "We live in a town of around 550 people. To see 20 in my living room, many of whom I was just meeting, was amazing." - Hannah in CO

  • "We split into small groups to discuss what in our lives drew us to the Bernie campaign. It was heartbreaking to hear the multiple stories of medical debt that have wrecked families and relationships. I learned how easy it is to open my doors and let the magic happen." - Elliot in MN

  • "What I found most inspiring about the event was that I only knew two people there. I live so much of my life surrounded by folks from my generation, doing the same kind of work, with the same basic set of aspirations -- this event was different. It crossed walks of life, careers and generations, bringing people together with a common interest in transforming our country. It was so easy to do! People will jump on any opportunity to actually be part of our political process." - Jon in OR

  • "I invited just a few friends through Facebook. We were four and I hoped some would bring their spouse -- so my estimate was six total. After I got your email to consider making it public, I got brave and opened it up to the public the very last day. We were 16 people! Sixteen very, very enthusiastic people!!! The minute the first couple arrived, our black lab bolted out the door and went for a swim in the bayou. OH NO! Worst timing! I had to stay and wait for the other people to arrive and the first attendees spontaneously said, 'We got this, we will get him.' The guy actually fished our dog all the way out of the water and got back soaking wet! We were all joking, 'Hey, whatever needs to be done, we do it for Bernie!' We want more of this! It was awesome. Our next step is to build our own local Facebook group for Bernie and stay in touch and organize from there. We are dreaming big!" - Britt in FL

  • "A ninety-three year old wrote a song for Bernie's campaign, and arrived at the venue with copies of the lyrics to pass out. She and a family member opened our meeting with the group singing along with her. It was amazing. Our youngest attendee at 18 was there with her mother and very excited to have the opportunity to cast her first vote ever for Bernie." - Jerri in VT

  • "Huge turnout, the room was packed, and the energy was high. It was an awesome event. We even had the #1 news network in the area come out and interview me, and we made the nightly news! It was a great event, and am super pumped to keep the momentum moving." - Aaron in ND

Let's get to work. Watch this video from Wednesday's organizing meetings and tell us how you can help our campaign.

It’s an honor working alongside you in this movement,

Claire Sandberg Bernie 2016


Paid for by Bernie 2016

(not the billionaires)

PO Box 905 - Burlington VT 05402 United States - (855) 4-BERNIE

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 8 years ago

Bernie Supports US airstrikes

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

all of them? or does it matter? you would rather a Republican conduct the bombing?

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

This is a great post on the KOS thanks!

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

There is a lot of great material out on the internet about Bernie.

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 8 years ago

Like his desire to fight wall st by submitting himself to the DNC?

Ya, he's a real hero.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

or your tireless work electing the GOP

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 8 years ago

DOD uses ISIS to recruit americans to kill for the US

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

DOD relies mostly on working class Americans needing work, that's one of the many reasons it is vital we address wealth inequality.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 8 years ago

The young and desperate could set up a public hospitals if they were payed to do that

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

People would have to be elected who want to build hospitals, but what if they bomb terrorists? what then? how do they get elected? we end up with people who prefer to build armies and drop bombs, the worst of both worlds, because 40% refuse to vote for imperfect candidates.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 8 years ago

"When #peace is achievable, we should never choose war"

peace is achievable if we don't choose war.

no excuses

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

What's your excuse?

[-] -1 points by turbocharger (1756) 8 years ago

Your obsession with politicians continues.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

Are you still worried about your taxes going up? I know that's your main concern.

Yeah I'm obsessed with politicians like Occupy Wall Street is obsessed with Wall Street, oh yeah this is a forum devoted to bringing about change yes when here i talk about how to bring about change, and sitting out elections and letting the GOP win is not a way to do that, that is stupid so yeah I do point out stupid when i see it, and turbo you are the biggest pile of stupid on the web.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 8 years ago

What is your take on Democrats not letting when the payroll tax cut continue while working people and families are in full crisis mode?

Let me guess, you could give a fuck?

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

I believe the Social Security Trust Fund must be funded and protected.

I think taxes are way too low on millionaires and should be raised a lot, what do you think about raising taxes on millionaires? Or do you not give a fuck?

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 8 years ago

Re. Social Security & Bernie Sanders, perhaps consider:

ad iudicium?

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

Where did the need to push for $15 an hour come from? It was long-term persistent inflation created by the (Non-)Federal (No-)Reserve which serves the leeches.

Where did the 2009-2014 growth of income of the 1% come from? It was the effort to shore up the economy by pumping trillions of dollars worth of created credit to make assets held by the rich stable in prices while lowering their borrowing costs to near zero. Our people need to go to economics classes and learn to read the balance sheets.

At one time, the minimum wage was $15 adjusted for inflation and minimal productivity gain sharing.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Where did the need to push for $15 an hour come from?

40 years of catering to the wealthy and corp(se)oRATions tied in with union busting

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

Unions could have helped but they can only treat the awful symptoms but not the cause.

Listen, all U.S. citizens, the (Non-)Federal (No-)Reserve says that it will create enough money for the leeches so that 2% of all your wealth in U.S. dollars will be confiscated by a general rise in prices of all goods and services. It will be done for your own and the world's good. Thank you for your blood donations to the leeches. Here is a Red Cross sticker.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

Perhaps you should take some classes instead of just talking about them. Inflation has been pretty mild, ture MW has fallen behind it, but why does there have to be a "need" it is the right thing to do, people should make more, keep more of what they produce, productivity has been skimmed off the top to feed the trust funds of future Kings it is the inevitable disease of Monarchy we must avoid if we are to continue to survive.

[-] 2 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

Lullaby and good night. Sit in your bathroom stall, smell the "roses," look through the slit, who is out there? Werner Heisenberg worked out his Indeterminacy Principle early last century.

Where is the Great Recession? Who caused it? Gee, everything is just fine in the micro-view! Things only become grotesque in the integral. Looking just to the end of your nose prevents you from seeing the grotesque green-headed fly which has jerkily visited your throne and is exercising its wanderlust.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

greedy little piggy looking for strong men to protect your pretties....

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

Do prime specimens of Homo erectus powered by pootinium suffice? No matter what Ahmadinejad said - Homo's are everywhere, including in Iran.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

Are you afraid the hairy man will kiss you?

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

Damn! I forgot that we are using long beards in profiling for potential terrorists. Now all Homo americus are really muddying the waters. This is a national emergency. Declare a no-fly zone over the U.S. now or razor-shave all bearded people in the airports. If they resist, we may have found a terrorist.

Forget about being politically correct, other countries have done involuntary haircuts on airport travellers before.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

brain damage is tragic

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

Not necessarily, it can be life-improving as some will take Alzheimer's disease as maganimity or even grace. Not tragedy, comedy!

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

seems to have not dampened your sprites

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

Oh, my, so I still have Sprites! To forget is easier than to forgive. Forgetting resets to nothing and out of nothingness comes Anything. However, to forgive is like leaving a scar on a gnarled tree. The ugliness stays like thorns on Jesus's INRI crown.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

the government is coming to take your money

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

It has already come. I spread my legs wide to prove my monetary worthlessness. It saw that it was good - till another day and another dollar.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

you think it has, it hasn't even got started yet, 90% rates are still too low for some

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

There is still room to jack it higher, right?

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

The (Non-)Federal Capital Loss Insurance Corporation has succeeded making the hair growth on Homo americus harder to get rid of because haircuts have become more expensive.

Good times are here again! Now all of the rich people have their wealth reduced. Hurray, hurrah! Inflation is good and in the best interest of the working class, left?

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

mental health in America is in a terrible condition

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

Okay, so the manipulative wasp masters' stings start becoming the pain in the Texass of the zombie spiders. We are about to get a big blob of GOOP to soothe and lubricate the Texass. Or is it better waiting for Slickies' caliphonication? Anyhow, shut eyes and enjoy the ride! Down the drain.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

the 1% must love you

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

Yes, the 1% is capable of Love, too. I like beautifulworld's statements about Love. It was what Jesus commanded us, 1%+99% of us, "Love thy neighbor."

I can only reconcile an omniscient and omnipotent God of Justice to the one and the same God of Love who put up the rainbow in the sky after Noah's flood. It is the sign of the Covenant - Justice, Love, and Grace.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

you are a peasant in waiting

[-] 2 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

I revere peasants so I am honored that I may be able to join their noble rank.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

don't forget to bow to the Royals, or you could lose your head

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

One without a head cannot bow and I think some here believe that I have already lost my head. Royals are no different from peasants. It is really all in people's heads. Goethe wrote, "Mit dem Wissen wächst der Zweifel." Mit dem Wissen habe ich den Zweifel ohne Kopf.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

Inflation in the stock market was tremendous. Inflation in wages can be destabilizing, too, if not needed. $15 an hour NOW will NOT upset our apple cart and in fact will likely improve service businesses at THIS juncture. Never view anything in isolation without context.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

Anyone running should pledge to push $15/hr immediately upon taking office, think about it that would mean Jan. 2018 before it would be enacted, but to make even that date we have to defeat every GOP up for office that can possibly be defeated.

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1756) 8 years ago

By the time the politicians have enacted the $15/hr its inflated to around $12 today, and probably strung out even further than 2020.

Toss in the fact they cant stop fucking with other things, so now full time is going to be 32 hours going forward.

They didnt extend the average person's tax cut - thanks Obama- so by the time its all done, someone is barely bringing home $300.

Great solution. And it will only take 5 years to get there.

What a joke.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

You clearly don't know crap about inflation

do you really think the work week is going to 32 hours when unions had to work like hell to get it down to 40? ...there is stupid and then there is you turbo...you redefine a new level of stupid

I see your love for tax cuts lives on, I bet the thought of President Sanders scares the hell out of you

Like I said even if we throw out all the GOP scum it will still take Jan 2018 before $15/hr can happen so screwing around and not throwing them out is more than just stupid, it's turbo stupid!

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

GOOP is becoming ever more irrelevant in their lack of sensible policy proposals and proves themselves the party of No/Know Nothing. They can stay with their white slippery creamy texture forever and be flushed down the drain eventually with the other Slickie dirt.

If the (Non-)Federal Capital-Loss Insurance Corporation continues to create inflation, $15 an hour will not mean much. In fact, any finite number will not suffice. That was how the U.S. working class was slowly embalmed in the past decades by the tar, one millimeter at a time. Someday, a paleontogist will discover specimens of Homo americus pushed into the tar pit by Homo erectus.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

Your comments are becoming increasingly irrelevant, the GOP hold the majority in congress because stupid idiots like you didn't vote in 2014.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 8 years ago

You realize that in your constant obesession with Republicans you have given a pass to massive amounts of the very things you claim to be against, simply because you voted for them.

Its almost as if its all designed that way!

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

2nd track: (Specious aspersions) "When one has nothing and can't defend their position""

We throw specious aspersions as we have nothing else to say.

  • by (mdonelly, turbocharger, lugano, windyacres - harmonizing & the Cronies singing back-up)
[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 8 years ago

Thats not a "specious aspersion" its the cold hard truth that you two loons never want to confront.

If your obsession with removing one group means the other gets a total pass of some of the most horrific crimes against humanity and nature, then what does that make you?

It makes you the typical blow hard politico. Cheering your team, keeping score, and trying to win at any cost.

Its now how a democracy is suppose to function.

You know this, you just dont like it.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Show your hard facts - let see some really incriminating voting records.

But you won't go there because you have nothing other than = Specious aspersions.

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1756) 8 years ago

Well being that war is the most atrocious act humankind goes through, and there were no votes for the Democrats ongoing bombing campaign against 8 nations (assuming you are still blaming Bush instead of both parties), that kinda says a lot, no?

Trillion dollar handouts for huge corporations and wall st.

Treating all Americans as potential terrorists with the spy program. The offshoring of jobs continues. They passed three deals right in the middle of OWS in case you forgot.

Or how about that vote last time at the DNC? That pretty much summed it all up, no?

Why is it the stronger the opinions that Americans have about their "opposite" party, usually the dumber they are on their own and the system in general?

Its almost like its all planned this way!

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 8 years ago

probably a result of momentum , the US is almost always at war somewhere

the politicians should be able to say no to airstrikes

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

That pretty much summed it all up, no?

Correct = no.

Again you are asked to provide hard facts and you return (expected) with more rhetoric. You bring up issues and say all are bad - but you offer none of the black and white of hard facts of who supported and who opposed - you just say it happened so that proves your point. I submit that with empty arguments like that - the only point you display is the one on top of your head.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 8 years ago

So you are not familiar with these votes? Or you just want someone to copy and paste something you are already familiar with?

How the hell did you end up with the ability to manage this website?

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago



[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

Okay, increase the 2014 vote counts by one and see if I would have flushed the GOOP down the drain.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

if only you were the only one, unfortunately there are many mental cases in America

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

Mental cases are not limited to America. They are worldwide - the Silent Majority. I speak the Words of Silence. Those chosen by the Will can hear my Sound of Silence. What did the Big Bang creating the universe sound like? Nothing.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

the insane can be counted in the GOP tally

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

The U.S. has the lowest voting rate in the free-to-vote world. It is the land of the Silent Majority. The GOOP tally missed all the counts of the votes that it could have gotten. The non-vote is a vote of no confidence.

Hence, the U.S. has the highest NO-confidence vote in the world. If we were a parliamentary democracy, we would have dissolved our government a long, long time ago.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

your wish to yield to money is insane

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

Look in your pocket and see if you use money and if you sell your life for money at work.

We are all prostitutes in this money economy, aren't we? Really, prostitutes are attractive enough to redistribute wealth from the wealthy few - aside from lotteries/casinos, liquor stores, gourmet restaurants, and illegal drug dealers.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

We yield our political power to money, policy should be what the majority feels is best not what those with the most money feel is best, it is possible to remove the ability of those with money to influence policy, at least to the extent they do by doing things like public funding of elections and restricting media ads before elections, people have a right to make the important decisions of voting without paid professionals up their butts all the time telling them crap.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

The U.S. should shorten the pre-election campaign seasons. Our representatives in government basically freeze up during campaigning to avoid any regrettable mistakes. If campaign season reaches 100% duty cycle, our government will become dead.

Often, the fault of bad government lies in the government itself due to its wanting to look good or lack of transparency. Without sound information, voters can never make sound judgments. I remember that the U.S. was doing great fighting the Vietnam War until it was not so. The U.S. was also beating the crap out of the JV team of ISIL until it metastasized to Syria and beyond. Hmmm, do you really know what is going on there or are we all just wearing aluminum-foil dunce caps with government-embedded in-situ microspeakers that chirp government's propaganda?

[-] -2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 8 years ago

government aren't stopped air strikes

no freeze there

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

That really is a lame saying - everyone uses it - and so you end up with 80% of the eligible voters using it - so yeah it kinda does mean that it made a difference.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

The zealous-in-2008 young people lost their excitement in 2014. The Slickies turned out to be tepid, lukewarm incompetent Wall-Street sell-outs. 2014 was vox populi like Rhett Butler had said, "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn!"

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

ahh some truth from you, I do believe you don't give a damn....

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

I do give a damn, far more than a damn. I am a conservative radical as well as a radical conservative. Take the words of La Marseillaise to heart and don't loot for hair extensions and liquors unless you want to sit looking pretty and get drunk with your buddy Akdov Pootin.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

ahh worried about your pretties are you? I guess you do care about them, you just don't give a damn about the country or the world.

'radical" conservative? you want to get on your knees and do it fast!, or do you imagine yourself to be King?

[-] 2 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

As a true-blooded American, Kingship is absolutely abhorrent to me even if I am offered it. I seek Liberty and Justice for all. Exercises of both require a framework of consent to be governed. It is not subservient to consent to proper authorities. It IS subservient to consent to illegitimate authorities. Legitimacy hinges on fairness. Might does not make right. Freedom requires a cage for protection, especially from the strong who may be unjust. Strength inequalities say 3+4> 5 although 5> 3 and 5> 4. Out of Injustice can come Justice.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

Tell me do you think 1% getting 98% of the gains fair?

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

No, if you contributed to creating the gains.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 8 years ago

current money inequalities threaten its stability

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

Exactly as the leeches planned for but your cigarette will sear the bloody mouths.

[-] -1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

Radicalism can sometimes get us into long-term troubles. Look before you leap.

Communism charmed peoples for a century so they got a lost century, not to mention all of the broken-hearted people, and skeletons in mass graves. Often, the backlashes against Communism were very gruesome, too. Learn from history.

Our people may still be under the spell that inflation created by the power that be is good for them. Apparently, they do not know the balance sheets. For inflation to redress wealth imbalance, I recommend you moving your wealth to Russia, Greece, and to save you on airplane fares, Venezuela.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

I think Finland and Sweden are doing just fine, so are the people who live there and their children. The things you refer to are the result of unrestricted power, the kind Hobby Lobby wants.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 8 years ago

The people of Finland and Sweden aren't dumb enough to continually elected the same criminals over and over.

Its really that simple.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

They vote in large numbers upwards of over 90% vote, when people get off their asses and vote they can have decent lives.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 8 years ago

always some reason why people don't live well

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

oh but they do live well, it can happen

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

Can the U.S. be neutral like Finland and Sweden? We tried that and it took WWII to clean up the mess. Should we try WWIV fighting with sticks? The U.S. has no Napoleon to keep the pootins busy so it must act as Napoleon, be an emperor to fight for Freedom and Democracy so emperors or empresses will not exist. How ironic!

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

so you support dropping more bombs? interesting...I oppose that position

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

Dropping more bombs is a way to achieve short-term metastability. Dropping peaceful ideas is the way to ensure long-term stability and thus eventual prosperity. Peace is good and peace is nice, but one must punch the bullies in their noses first to have a chance for peace.

By geography, Switzerland is landlocked and highlands so it should be dirt-poor like some landlocked highlands Andean countries. That is NOT so. Switzerland is very rich. Why? They were armed to the teeth, stayed neutral and tended to their own businesses, and punched the bullies in their noses if need be. After a century or two of peace, prosperity reigns. They have a federal system like the U.S. and in spite of multiple languages, they preserved their national identity.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

Switzerland has no nuclear weapons, should we destroy ours as well?

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

Yes, and every other countries', too. Elijah, God, Allah is doing it now. All nuclear weapons decay because they are just concentrated dying embers of supernova explosions. Nuclear reactors must be operated to keep on producing radioactive materials to refresh the nuclear weapons. That will be a recurring cost unless they are allowed to turn gently into duds.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

I don't think it is the countless millenia life span of the nuclear material that is the problem - no - I think the problem is putting the basically non-expiring (deathless) material into delivery systems that only have a short life span.

One would pray that the nuclear material would expire just as fast.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

I am worrying about the very intricate balance between going critical during refreshing, or being undercritical becoming duds while the required short-lived materials decay. The balance is ALWAYS shifting. In fact, some of the nuclear weapons built last century are probably duds by now, especially in the countries without active nuclear weapons refurbishing programs.

The problem is similar to what a hedge fund has to do for its portfolio but WITHOUT clearly visible market information to guide the rebalancing.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Duds - we could use more of those in armed drones. It would be nice to see a 100% failure rate

As far as them going critical and exploding on their own? Not gonna happen - they were as critical (uranium content wise) as they were ever gonna be on the 1st day the uranium material was formed for placement.

Accidental explosion from a degraded firing system setting off the conventional explosives needed to make the uranium element go critical? That's a different consideration - can an age failure of electronic components cause a detonation of the conventional explosives in the assembly? I don't know.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

Refurbishing nuclear weapons means pushing them back closer to the critical limit. How much to push is difficult to determine but pushing a little bit too much can be blue-flash electrifying.

Plutonium has far shorter half life than highly enriched uranium so plutonium bombs drift off their near-critical hair-trigger readiness much faster.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

Most nuclear weapons were made of plutonium, not enriched uranium. Isolating plutonium from nuclear reactor wastes is far easier than enriching uranium but making plutonium into the proper nuclear explosive is technologically challenging as attested to by a few countries whose initial nuclear "explosions" can only be classified as nuclear "duds."

One sure sign that a country is shooting for a nuclear weapon is when it gives up extracting plutonium from nuclear reactor wastes and pursues enriching uranium instead. That happened before to a few now-nuclear states, sometimes diverting wastes from peaceful civilian nuclear reactors.

In a sentence, plutonium is finicky but fast.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

All the more reason to abolish uranium reactors and go with thorium instead - hey?

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

Absolutely, the hard thing is that some countries really pursue civilian nuclear technology programs in order to gain the knowledge, techniques, and fissile materials to make nuclear weapons but thorium is not conducive for creating nuclear weapons.

Thorium is lower in atomic number and atomic mass in the periodic table than uranium so it is less likely to produce plutonium which is the most toxic on-contact material on our planet. A tiny dust speck of plutonium lodged in a person's lung is extremely likely to give the person a lung cancer death later. It is like having an extremely hot ember there which does not diminish much in its temperature over any person's lifetime. Every plutonium bomb exploded in the atmosphere uses pounds of plutonium. Some of the plutonium will surely sentence some unspecified or yet-unborn people to untimely deaths through lung cancers.

Scientists can now radioactive-date baby boomers by the tritium absorbed as babies during Cold War atmospheric nuclear tests. Every banana eaten now carries radioactivity from the tests. Pacific salmons carry signature of the 3/11/2011 Fukushima meltdown(s). So do dairy products. Well, it is called "background radiation" but the background is increased by human actions (follies as JFK and Sarkharov certainly took them as, but not France).

It is the new normal, newer normal, and newest normal. Everything is normal, Status Normal AFU!

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 8 years ago

US steal was selling into ww2 long before the country became involved

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

The U.S. was selling to the belligerents of the Napoleonic Wars before Great Britain pressed our sailors into service in the Royal British Navy. History teaches. Independence is buttressed by the guns. Ask the Swedes and the Finns.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 8 years ago

not mountains and peninsula ?

[-] 2 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

Not anymore. Pacific and Atlantic Ocean used to work. Now it must be gateways, routers, bridges, etc. and antivirus software which also support higher level psychological defense to be undertaken or we all drown in this nonsense about clay idol, bloody wood idol, zero idol, eat no pork, eat no cow, eat no meat, holy site, profane site, etc. It is just too gangland style! The Earth is not meant to be Chicagoland.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Radicalism can sometimes get us into long-term troubles. Look before you leap.

Is This Too Radical For You?

As I travel across the country, I am constantly struck by the level of enthusiasm and engagement there is for the political process. Everywhere I go, from Portland, Maine to Phoenix, Arizona, Americans are ready to discuss the critical issues facing our country. And this Wednesday night, July 29th, over 70,000 individuals have signed up to attend organizing meetings in their communities.

It is clear to me that people are taking this primary very seriously, and as an early supporter of our campaign, you have a unique role to play in our success going forward.

In that light, I wanted to make sure that you saw our new five minute video about the issues driving our campaign.

Watch the video and make a $3 contribution to help us continue to build an organization capable of challenging the billionaire class in this campaign, and after I'm elected president.

In the meantime, let me be very blunt and tell you why I am running.

This country faces more serious problems today than at any time in modern history, and establishment politics will not successfully resolve them.

Corporate greed is rampant, and the very rich keep growing richer while everyone else grows poorer. Despite an explosion in technology and a huge increase in productivity, the middle class continues to disappear, most Americans work longer hours for lower wages, and 45 million live in poverty.

The skyrocketing level of income and wealth inequality is not only grotesque and immoral, it is economically unsustainable. It is unconscionable that 99% of all new income goes to the top 1%. It is absurd that the top one-tenth of 1% own almost as much wealth as the bottom 90%, and that one family (the Waltons of Walmart) has more wealth than the bottom 130 million Americans.

As a result of the disastrous Supreme Court ruling on Citizens United, the billionaire class is spending huge amounts of money to buy candidates and elections. We are now witnessing the undermining of American democracy and the rapid movement toward oligarchy where a handful of very wealthy families and their Super PACs will control our government.

The scientific community is virtually unanimous in telling us that climate change is real, is caused by human activity, and is already bringing catastrophic damage to our planet. Yet, the Republican Party is prepared to reject science in order to gain campaign contributions from the Koch brothers, Big Energy companies and others who make billions on fossil fuels. If we do not act boldly on climate change, the planet we leave to our grandchildren may be uninhabitable.

The United States once led the world in terms of the percentage of our young people who had college degrees. Today, in a highly competitive global economy, we are now in 12th place. Hundreds of thousands of bright young people have given up on the dream of higher education, while millions of others leave school with oppressive debt.

Our infrastructure -- roads, bridges, rail, airports, water systems, wastewater plants, levees, dams -- is crumbling, and Congress refuses to appropriate anywhere near the necessary funds to rebuild it. If we do not invest substantially in infrastructure, a bad situation will only become much worse.

Despite substantial gains, we still have a long way to go to achieve equality for minorities. Instead of investing in opportunities, we are locking people up at an incredible rate. We now have the highest incarceration rate in the entire world with over 2 million in prison and millions more on probation or parole. We have a broken immigration system that divides families and keeps millions of hard-working people in the shadows.

Most of the major Wall Street financial institutions that we bailed out because they were "too big to fail," are now bigger than they used to be. The six largest financial institutions now have assets equivalent to nearly 60% of our GDP, issue 35% of the mortgages, and oversee 65% of credit cards.

Our tax system is wildly unfair - rigged to benefit the very rich. Major corporations that earn billions in profits stash their money in tax havens and pay nothing in federal income taxes, while billionaire hedge fund managers pay a lower effective tax rate than nurses or teachers.

Despite growing poverty among seniors, almost all Republicans, and some Democrats, want to cut Social Security and benefits for disabled veterans. They want more austerity for the elderly, the children, the sick and the poor, and more tax breaks for the rich.

The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have cost us thousands of lives and trillions of dollars. The United States spends more on the military than the next nine biggest-spending countries combined. Today, there are massive cost over-runs with defense contractors and the Pentagon cannot even pass an independent audit.

We are at a moment of truth. We need to face up to the reality of where we are as a nation, and we need a mass movement of people to change that reality.

Let's be clear. This campaign is not about Bernie Sanders. It's about a grassroots movement of Americans standing up and saying: "Enough is enough. This country and our government belong to all of us, not just a handful of billionaires."

I have discussed some of the major crises that we face. Let me give you the outline of an agenda which addresses these problems.

Jobs, Jobs, Jobs: The truth is that real unemployment in our country is not the "official" and widely-reported 5.4 percent. Counting those who are underemployed and those who have given up looking for work, real unemployment is almost 11 percent. Even more disturbingly, real unemployment for white and Hispanic youth is over 30 percent, while African-American youth unemployment is over 50 percent.

We need a major federal jobs program. The most effective way to do that is to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure. To do that, I have introduced legislation which would invest $1 trillion over 5 years to modernize our country's physical infrastructure. This would create and maintain at least 13 million good-paying jobs. It would also make our country more productive, efficient and safe.

As a member of Congress who voted against NAFTA, CAFTA, Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China (PNTR) and is helping to lead the opposition against the TPP, I will continue my opposition to trade policies which have cost us millions of decent paying jobs as corporate America shuts down plants here and moves them to low-wage countries.

Raising Wages: Today, millions of Americans are working for starvation wages and median family income has declined by almost $5,000 since 1999. The current federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour is totally inadequate. We need to raise the minimum wage to a living wage - $15 an hour over the next few years. Our goal must be that no full-time worker in this country lives in poverty. We must also bring about pay equity for women. There is no rational reason why women should be earning 78 cents on the dollar compared to men who perform the same work.

Further, we need to implement "family values" for American working families. It is unacceptable that the United States is the only major country on earth that does not guarantee family and medical leave, sick time and paid vacations.

Wealth and Income Inequality: Today, the richest 400 Americans own over $2.2 trillion in wealth, more than the bottom 150 million Americans combined. Meanwhile, nearly half of all Americans have less than $10,000 in savings and have no idea how they will be able to retire with dignity.

In order to reverse the massive transfer of wealth and income from the middle class to the very rich that we have seen in recent years, we need real tax reform which makes the wealthy and profitable corporations begin to pay their fair share of taxes. It is fiscally irresponsible that the U.S. Treasury loses about $100 billion a year because corporations and the rich stash their profits in the Cayman Islands, Bermuda and other tax havens.

We need a tax system which is fair and progressive. Children should not go hungry in this country while profitable corporations and the wealthy avoid their tax responsibilities.

Reforming Wall Street: I have introduced legislation which would break up the largest financial institutions in the country. In my view, if a bank is too big to fail, it is too big to exist. Wall Street cannot continue to be an island unto itself investing trillions in risky financial instruments. We need banks that invest in the job-creating productive economy. We do not need more speculation and gambling in casino-type activities.

Campaign Finance Reform: We need to return to a one-person, one-vote democracy. It is not acceptable that the Koch brothers and other billionaires are spending endless sums of money to buy elections. I have introduced legislation which would overturn the horrendous Citizens United decision and will only appoint Supreme Court justices who are prepared to do that. We must also demand disclosure of all large campaign contributions. Long term, we need to move to public funding of elections.

Fighting Climate Change: The United States must lead the world in reversing climate change and make certain that this planet is habitable for our children and grandchildren. We must transform our energy system away from fossil fuels and into energy efficiency and sustainable energies. Millions of homes and buildings need to be weatherized, our transportation system needs to be energy efficient and we need to greatly accelerate the progress we are already seeing in wind, solar, geothermal and other forms of sustainable energy. Transforming our energy system will not only protect the environment, it will create good-paying jobs.

Health Care for All: The United States remains the only major country on earth that does not guarantee health care for all as a right. Despite the modest gains of the Affordable Care Act, 35 million Americans continue to lack health insurance and many more are under-insured. Yet, we continue paying far more per capita for health care than any other nation. The United States must move toward a Medicare-for-All single-payer system.

Protecting Our Most Vulnerable: Today, the United States has more people living in poverty than at almost any time in the modern history of our country. We have the highest rate of childhood poverty of any major nation, and millions of seniors and people with disabilities struggle to put food on the table because of insufficient Social Security benefits.

In my view, we have a moral responsibility to make certain that no American goes hungry or sleeps on the street. We must also make certain that seniors and people with disabilities can live in dignity. Not only must we vigorously oppose Republican attacks on the social safety net, we must expand benefits for those most in need. That is why I have recently introduced legislation which would extend the solvency of Social Security until 2065, while increasing benefits for those most in need.

Expanding Opportunity and Equality: We need to stop using prisons as a response to poverty. Our criminal justice system needs to be reformed so that we do not continue to house non-violent offenders at huge expense when that money could be used to rebuild communities and create opportunity. We need federal leadership to reform policing in America, to end racial profiling, and to fight the illegal activities of hate groups. We need comprehensive immigration reform that protects families and leads to a responsible and realistic path to citizenship.

Dismantling Structural Racism: Throughout much of our history, the elite in America has divided people along racial lines in an effort to consolidate wealth and power. We need to simultaneously address the structural and institutional racism which exists in this country while at the same time vigorously attacking the grotesque level of income and wealth inequality which is making the very rich much richer, and everyone else - especially the African-American community - much poorer. Meanwhile, too many people of color in this country find themselves subjected to a system that treats citizens who have not committed crimes like criminals. We have more people locked up in jail than any other country on earth. We need to invest in jobs and education, not jails and incarceration. Finally, no person should have to worry that a routine interaction with law enforcement will end in violence and death. Black lives matter: we must reform our criminal justice system, move away from the militarization of police forces, and invest in community policing.

College for All: The United States must join Germany and many other countries in understanding that investing in our young people's education is investing in the future of our nation. I have introduced legislation to make tuition in public colleges and universities free, as well as substantially lowering interest rates on student loans.

War and Peace: I voted against the war in Iraq, and that was the right vote. We must be vigorous in combatting terrorism, but we can't do it alone. We must be part of an international coalition that includes Muslim nations which not only defeats ISIS but which works hard to create conditions for lasting peace. I will vigorously oppose an endless war in the Middle East.

My approach to campaigning is pretty simple and straight-forward. We hold a lot of public meetings in towns that are big and small. People ask questions and make comments. We discuss the important issues facing our country. And that's it. Nothing very fancy. It's called democracy and I like that approach very much. It's something I've done my whole political life.

I hope very much that you will join me at one of our meetings. I hope that you will become part of our campaign team. And I hope that you will watch our video and make a contribution to our campaign:


Let us never forget: This country belongs to all of us, not just a handful of billionaires.


Senator Bernie Sanders

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[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 8 years ago

bernie approves of the 26 airstrikes today

the radicals at the pentigon know nothing but conquest

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

They are good proposals but come April, 2016 Bernie will throw his support to Slick's wench. Bye, bye, all your effort for nought, "So long, it's been good to know you!"

Then the wench says, "Oh, no one could have POSSIBLY anticipated the resistance to your agenda in Congress! It was not a clean sweep by Slickies."

Hmm, what happened last time around with a clean sweep by Slickies - we should be wallowing with our half-assed underwears in the grand glory of compromise and the cover of INTRIGUE!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Everyone who has at least one functioning brain cell - should be raising hell that HRC is even in the race. She is not for the people and never will be.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

She may well be krytonite alright for all you superheroes out there. I frankly got frytonite by clitonite.

[-] -1 points by turbocharger (1756) 8 years ago

Welcome to the global marketplace.

10xs as many people for the 1% to sell stuff to. And 10xs fewer jobs over here for us.

Great deal eh?

Thats what you get for electing the people you do. So stop bitching.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 8 years ago

but the media only talks about the two parties

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

Nader got far more media coverage than he got votes, the media gives huge attention to distractors. Lies are lies and are a part of the problem not the solution.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

Every two years we get a chance for radical change but we still keep splitting the vote and sending Republicans to office.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

Every two years we get a chance for radical change but we still keep splitting the vote and sending Republicans to office.

[-] -1 points by turbocharger (1756) 8 years ago

The fact that you look at election day and voting for the two corporate parties as a "radical" strategy shows how far down the toilet of conformity we really are haha.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8310) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

We could turn almost every member of GOP out of office in a single election it would create radical change in a single election the reason we don't is so many stupid idiots like you that can't see how evil the GOP is. Because of GOP apologist like you that say their not that different.

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 8 years ago

if only if only elections changed things


[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 8 years ago

Are like Bernie and are going to endorse Hillary if that is your choice?

If so, you are just another useful idiot and you might as well forget about your political desires, seems how you are just going to do what you are told by Wall St anyways..