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Forum Post: Winter cold

Posted 8 years ago on Oct. 29, 2011, 11:15 p.m. EST by Ahzeer (0)
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I think the best way to survive this winter is to invest in the purchase or manufacturing of teepees. The indigeneous people of this land once helped the Europeans survive by giving them food and teaching them how to farm. We can still learn so much by the first people and their way of life can save us once again. I think this ties in with the occupy movement because it would be shining light and paying respect to those whose voices are rarely if ever heard, the people who have been lied to and exploited. No one knows better than native Americans how to live in harmony with nature, no matter how harsh the climate. I hope my idea helps. I'll try to think of more...



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[-] 2 points by JenLynn (692) 8 years ago

It was the tribes on the planes that used teepees, because they moved around a lot, and because there wasn't any wood. One lesson might be, "go where it's warmer". Come to think of it though, they did heat with buffalo chips and there should be lots of BS on Wall Street.

[-] 1 points by entrepreneur (69) 8 years ago

I saw folks in iceland doing occupy iceland... guess how much cold they have out there in iceland.. I urge those who have money to please continue donating things to keep tents warm...including things like tent heaters ...batteries to make warm blankets work...etc..

[-] 1 points by RicoSuave (218) 8 years ago

Zuccotti Park is not nature.

It is a park constructed of granite slabs.

[-] 1 points by lisa (425) 8 years ago

They need appropriate clothing if they plan to live outside. That means ski underwear which is lightweight but effective. There are silk blends that protect you even when it is 20 below zero. Sportsmens stores in cold places, like Minnesota or the Dakotas or Montana or Colroado must have these things. In Maine, Damart company makes their thermolactyl ski underwear that does the job. The best socks are alpaca wool, they keep your feet warm.

[-] 1 points by Uriah (218) 8 years ago

Have you ever lived in a teepee? They're NOT cheap, and good luck setting one up on concrete in the middle of NYC of all places.

There ain't much a Indian can teach you about living in NYC other then, don't.

[-] 1 points by shizzle08 (119) 8 years ago

The reason we do not see OWS points getting attention in the mainstream news is because they are in denial haha! They hope they can ignore us and we will go away........ WRONG!!!!!!!!!! Soon enough we will take over the media and they will be forced to listen..... I guarantee the 1% already moved their money out of the country. We should freeze their assets!

[-] 1 points by blitznstitch (30) 8 years ago

Teepees used fire to warm up. Sigh....come on people! Stand for soemthing concrete other than just standing on concrete.

[-] 1 points by DouglasG (57) 8 years ago

And while you are sitting in the teepee consider this: So far I have not seen on the news one constructive point via the media coming out of the OWS movement which would accomplish what is desired to increase the amount of taxation on the 1%. As a retired IRS Agent I can tell you that if you want to get at the fat cats being the corporations here is an ironclad way to do it. There does exist a federal tax directed exactly at the problem herein in the USA which is never enforced. If a corporation witholds too much earnings it is subject to a tax called the Accumulated Earnings Tax. It is explained at Internal Revenue Code Section: " Sec. 531. Imposition of accumulated earnings tax In addition to other taxes imposed by this chapter, there is hereby imposed for each taxable year on the accumulated taxable income (as defined in section 535) of each corporation described in section 532, an accumulated earnings tax equal to 15 percent of the accumulated taxable income.." Anyone can call the IRS toll free number and have it explained then you can call the Office of the White House and ask the question as to why the IRS is not enforcing this law on the Corporations for whom the media states that they are holding onto trillions of dollars not spending into the economy to create jobs. I can tell you the IRS is not enforcing the law because the law does not have enough meat into it and it has not been enforced because of that thus making the law a joke. The OWS movement will absolutely grab the attention of the world wide media if it focuses on the AET and makes it a World Wide buzz in protest signs and does interviews regarding it with the business news programs of Fox Business Channel and NBC's Business Channel and CNN. If you make the AET a household term instead of Herman Cain's stupid 999 = 9% sales tax = regressive taxation of poor and compete with that you can get it to become a part of the Republican Presidential candidate debates especially with Michelle Bachman who should be aware of it being a former tax attorney. Do you think Herman even knows what the AET is? You don't so find out about it because it could force corporations to start spending their cash hoards to create jobs and end force the stopping of foreclosures because Corporation HATE and FEAR the AET when an IRS Agent brings it up in an audit examination. Put some muscle in your arguments. In addition sound off to the White House on the issue of taxing: "Unreasonable Compensation" being paid to Corporate Officers wherein "Reasonable Compensation" should = what the President of the USA makes and let the IRS go after all amounts in excess of that be considered as "unreasonable" = not deductible by the corporations on their tax returns of income tax purposes. WALL STREET will definitely not like that one and discuss that in interviews you give with the business networks. REPOST this if you understand this tax talk. If you don't ask questions for further explanation.

[-] 1 points by bronxj (150) 8 years ago

The AET can be offset by, among other things, a credit in the amount of current year earnings and profits that are retained for reasonable business needs in excess of dividends paid to the shareholders, less the net capital gains deducted in calculating accumulated taxable income.

[-] 1 points by DouglasG (57) 8 years ago

That's exactly why the white house (Obama) needs to be made aware of the shortcomings wherein he could talk to Reid and put more meat into the law. That's where OWS plays a vital role to put the pressure on via their message and interviews.

[-] 1 points by bronxj (150) 8 years ago

So the law as is has no teeth (unless you are, say, a small pizzeria owner who incorporated as a C instead of Subchapter S and has to rely on a crappy tax attorney from the yellow pages)

[-] 1 points by DouglasG (57) 8 years ago

I can't say it enough but that's why the OWS movement is so important to put the pressure on Obama and Reid to put teeth into the law. They don't have to rewrite the whole Internal Revenue Code just the sections regarding the AET. OWS is not after the small Sub S pizzeria owner but rather the WalMarts and all of those large corporations that are holding the trillions in that the the business media talks about so often. The OWS should follow with interviews with the business media and let them explain to OWS who is holding all the cash. Which corporations? How have they gotten away with it?

[-] 1 points by NateNine (23) 8 years ago

Very interesting stuff, Douglas. But isn't the primary reason you rarely see this tax kick in is because accumulation "retained for the reasonable needs of the business" are allowed, and the language of the code is loose enough to allow almost any amount held by any C corp (and their passel of lawyers)? Wouldn't the code need to be rewritten to be effective, and if that's the case wouldn't you want to write a whole new code with bigger, sharper teeth?

[-] 1 points by DouglasG (57) 8 years ago

Again that's why it's so important for OWS to send a message to Obama to put some meat into the law by calling Harry Reid and changing the law. Essentially OWS should be viewed as a lobbying group to change the law just like the Tea Party which was so effective in the last elections because of Obama care. The law as written needs to be strengthened or gotten rid of but it's truly the only thing that OWS has to work with.

[-] 1 points by owstag (508) 8 years ago

Actually, the Native Americans hunted many species to extinction.

Here's a better idea; protest during the day, don't sleep in a damn park. It's silly, and the fact that the park is owned by Wall Street tycoons - and named for one - and the fact that the owners have essentially allowed OWS to live there rent free (even as they are the objects of the protester's complaints) undermines OWS.

[-] 1 points by Uriah (218) 8 years ago

Bingo. Can you say irony?

[-] 1 points by littrellb (199) from Hillsboro, OR 8 years ago

What did they hunt to extinction?

[-] 1 points by cmt (1195) from Tolland, CT 8 years ago

Camels, mammoth, and horses that were native to North America.

[-] 1 points by littrellb (199) from Hillsboro, OR 8 years ago

Any chance you Can factually back that up. Not saying you're wrong. Just never heard that before

[-] 1 points by cmt (1195) from Tolland, CT 8 years ago


I've read it in many sources, but could not remember the species other than mammoth, so I just googled it when I saw your post.

Trivia are us!

[-] 1 points by littrellb (199) from Hillsboro, OR 8 years ago

Huh, what do you know. I wish we still had indigenous camels. That'd be awesome.

[-] 0 points by gr57 (457) 8 years ago

Camels!? I want a fucking mammoth. Screw the cammels

[-] 1 points by littrellb (199) from Hillsboro, OR 8 years ago

Yeah, I think you're right. Hairy elephants are way cooler.

[-] 0 points by gr57 (457) 8 years ago

hell ya! If I had the choice between a moose head or a mamoth head above my fireplace, which is a better conversation piece?

[-] 0 points by gr57 (457) 8 years ago

lol those indians also migrated to warmer areas. The indians that live perminatly in cold areas built buildings with fires in the center to keep them warm

[-] -1 points by YuckFouHippies (189) 8 years ago

Teepees in NYC. Ive seen it all now. Here's a better thought. Use some of the donated money, build a compound in the middle of nowhere, and leave America alone. Call ows what it really is, a poorly organized cult.

[-] 1 points by Joyce (375) 8 years ago

Careful, donated blankets may contain smallpox. ;)