Forum Post: What Should the Demands Of OWC Be?
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 10, 2011, 4:59 p.m. EST by incarceratejohnkasich4life
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Demands for OWS may be nearly solidified, but I think it would be good to hear what others think about my list and what should be added or evolved.
Revoke individual rights of corporations. Corporations are not individual US citizens and each US citizen in every US corporation has individual rights to begin with. This is a fraudulent abuse of power the US government has failed to face.
Raise taxes by at least 10% on individuals earning $1 million a year and higher; a sliding rate will be applied as earnings reach $100 million and beyond per year. The rate for the narcissist-wealthy can be negotiated after the economy has stabilized for at least ten years.
Eliminate tax loopholes and prosecute offshore money shelters and laundering. These criminals are perhaps the most dangerous parasites affecting our country's health. These are the true abusers of welfare.
Cap campaign contributions so there is a level paying field for intelligent low-income people to enter the political spectrum, and so powerful monetary entities cannot run the country's agenda.
Make all bailout dollars be repaid by banks, financiers, et al. to the public trust at a high interest rate they charge the public they serve and profit by.
Regulate CEO bonuses and provide tax incentives to companies that spread earning bonuses to all management and employees.
Evolve and support strong local economies that are not dependent on nationalized and globalized systems.
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Let freedom ring!
What is occupy wall street actually producing? 'Geotagging protester data' for continued voter misuse and fraud by Rockefeller and US Corporate Governance?
http://www.thelocal.de/sci-tech/20100920-29937.html
If the Occupy Wall Street Protest has gone global, then IMHO, 'geotagging' is a viable threat to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Constitutional Values.
It is a good list but any movement needs a concise soundbite. Yours is one too many. Since the main Occupy Wall Street movement is about the unfair and powerful financial intuitions and low taxes on the wealthy, lets cap it to two demands.
For the second point, the dollar per vote system works in Canada to reduce corporate and wealthy parties influence until this year when the Conservative PM Harper eliminated it. Yea, people argue correctly their tax dollar is going to parties that they do not support, true but the key point was to level the playing field significantly when the parties truly has to rely more on the support of its voters to raise campaign contributions and it did work beautifully.
ultimately, you are not in a position and nobody is to brainstorm up mere demands. demands are stupid and infantile. complaints and then problem defintions and then detailed problem solutions are great. that requires time and homework to generate, not bong hits and then a brainstormed imagine yourself as emperor of the world Scrawl. this kind of thing does not help the movement, it just gives the powers that be ammo against us and prevents meaningful conversations which have depth or open source research and problem solving because you and everyone else imagines we can just skip all the steps and churn out "demands." Listen to the other people in the movement who are wisely saying NO to demands lists. I have demands, they are to the movement itself- thats where the real game is.
"Would you rather have war in this land? Do not confront me work with me...Civil unrest could very well lead to civil war... This list will prevent civil war.... Infantile, we are all infants in conciseness, which explains your poor choice of words.... You should be telling me how to make the list better not how it will never work."
? gawdoftruth (Santa Barbara, CA) 1 points 0 seconds ago
no, you need to drop making lists of demands. period. until you do open source research and science centered problem solving with other people, you have nothing to say worth repeating. your brain storming in ignorance. it sounds really really awesome to you- but for many people your tone def. Making demands is itself a sign of infantilism. period. Take responsibility and start working the problems in a deep and real way. I should not have to run through this further with you. This is a ludicrous sense of direction, it is not helping the movement and its not useful or meaningful for long term strategy in fact all it is is a giant set of red rings to give the pundits a clear target.
I don't want war. how i stop the war is to work the problems in a deep way and address the war. Not make demands. I'm an adult, not a seven year old, not a hostage taker, not a terrorist. I don't make demands, i communicate evolutionary truths. If ten thousand people follow my example we can have an evolution. If you run around like a bunch of punk alpha dominant azzholes, i promise you, all of your demands will lead to nothing but scorn and alienation.
but i can expect that we will find good solid means to that end instead of self sabotaging means to that end. Change your communication strategy. These are main political issues which you find to be critical. Now ask people to join you in reasearching them and working on these problems open source. You think you have the end product. instead you have a starting point. remove the "demands" from "demands" and replace with "these are the issues i want to discuss which seem critical to me." There you go. Thats the real process. "Demands " is itself what big Bruddah wants precisely because that makes us the ones holding wall street hostage. Domestic terrorism even when called non violent is still in essence domestic terrorism. Terrorists issue demands. Evolutionary patriots form think tanks.
It takes two to screw the middle class! Politicians to hold us down, so then the Corporations can do the screwing!!! Politicians need better rules to follow to prevent lobbying! We tax payers should fund important elections, so the best person wins and not the one with the most money!!! The movement need a leader with at least these demands!!!!!!!!!!! Pass The Word!!! Lets Get It Together!!!
That is probably the most important change we need right now. Are you listening Mr. President? Remember the "Change" campaign? Corporate influence and campaign contributions must change to non-existence.
Those are good suggestions, but they are too many and to specific. Might I recommend something simpler?
http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-central-message-we-need/#comment-54685
That's why we're here, dialogue. This is meant to be a collaborative effort.
Absolutely. It is my belief though that the central issue outlined in my link and post could serve to unite the various (possibly competing) factions that exist within the movement presently.
I am with you. That is the unifying force. Reversing the unbalanced influence.
What about dictatorship by the proletariat? You skipped a step.
Clarify ThinMan.
It's the first step of communism. Democracy for the vast majority of the people, and suppression by force, i.e., exclusion from democracy, of the exploiters and oppressors of the people—this is the modification of democracy during the transition from capitalism to communism.
I think this is what we're writing about in the original post. Right?
I think it's more about equality justice and embracing meritocracy; smashing the guise of democracy being worn by a plutocracy.