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Forum Post: US Joint Chiefs of Staff Mobilize to Stop World War III

Posted 2 years ago on June 2, 2012, 6:23 p.m. EST by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai
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Within 24 hours after American UN Ambassador Susan Rice claimed that a military intervention "outside of the UN" in Syria may be necessary, the Joint Chiefs Staff appear to have leaned on Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta to ensure that he repudiate Rice's statement. A reporter traveling with him on his way to Singapore, confronted Panetta with that question. "No, I cannot envision that," Panetta said, although he still insisted that "all options" remain on the table for "any contingency." The Joint Chiefs of Staff, led by Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey, have been working tirelessly behind the scenes, and with carefully crafted public statements, to do their damnedest to prevent any action that would lead to thermonuclear confrontation with Russia.

The fact that the Joint Chiefs have a long-standing dialogue with the Israeli military establishment — regular exchanges take place between them at both the civilian and military levels — has its reflection in the saner voices in Israel who have warned against military strikes against both Iran and Syria. As reported yesterday, Israeli elder literary figure Amnon Shamosh, writing in Yedioth Ahronoth, after denouncing a failed and wrongheaded Syria policy, warned that a military strike on Iran could lead to a "Third World War." Moshe Ronen, vice president of the World Jewish Congress and national chair of the Canada-Israel Committee, writing also in Yedioth Ahronoth on May 29, said that there is no alternative to Assad, and that Western military intervention will only cause more bloodshed and bring to power a regime worse than Assad's.

Ronen is no softy when it comes to Israel's adversaries. According to his biography, Ronen has been a staunch defender of Israel in Canada and elsewhere for decades. In the op-ed, Ronen calls Assad "a wicked conscienceless dictator," but, he says, "experience has taught us that the West does not understand the Middle East, and that every time it tries to change Mideastern realities, it encounters negative surprises." He points to the U.S. experience in Iraq, where "the outcome is still unclear," and Afghanistan, from which America will withdraw "with its tail between its legs." He also points to Egypt, where Obama supported the Tahrir Square revolution, but where the former regime of Hosni Mubarak may be about to be replaced by the Muslim brotherhood,— and to Libya, where, too, "it's still unclear whether we got a democratic regime or an al-Qaeda government."

On Syria, Ronen concludes that "we can assume that should the West dispatch military forces and intervene... this will only increase the bloodshed. Moreover, the regime that will replace the secular tyrant will be a religious, Sunni tyranny that will be even worse."

http://larouchepac.com/node/22901

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[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

7 countries on the agenda - 4 Star General Wesley Clark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha1rEhovONU

Video from 2007... since then Libya was taken out and now Syria and Iran are the talks. It's taken much longer than 5 years.

[-] 2 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 2 years ago

Good video. I hope others will watch it. Thanx

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

If anyone ever even watched the movie W they should know what the plan is.

Iran is the prize in the center. - dick cheney portrayed in W.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6714) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

A good post. The World War III part is apt given that Russia has such close ties to Syria through arm sales. I have a friend who always says, you don’t own the business, it owns you, well in this case who is controlling who? Syria or Russia, makes you wonder who controls the U.S.? If only the US and Europe could cut off all oil and gas imports from Russia, might change the dynamics, too bad we didn’t win that cold war.

[-] 2 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

Thanks.

But actually, I think the intention of the US aggression is actually intended as an attack against Russia and China. Our guys want to cut off all third world resources to these countries and make them submit to our no growth, economic collapse policies.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6714) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Motives are always tricky, but what you say makes sense. I think we agree that a lot less dependence on fossil fuels would make this and a lot of other things easier/better.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

I agree, however, the Wall Street / City of London axis prefers to maintain our dependence on a resource that they control.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6714) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

please don't be insluted if I say, dud, it extends through all and is within each of us as well, I believe the key is writing rules we can all live with....

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

I'm not insulted, unless you are really calling me a "dud" rather than a "dude".

But what is it that you say runs through all of us, the "force"?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6714) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Not at all you seem to "get it" just fine, what I'm saying is that people are people, keep in mind I'm not saying that you are doing this, but in general to speak of this person or that as being "bad" or group of people, runs the risk of ending with inadequate solutions, better to acknowledge that if given the chance people will abuse and use the system from time to time, better to focus on open transparent rules and rule making, than people, but don't get me wrong, some people need to go to jail over what's been happening.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

Those ideas all sound reasonable, but also, I think there has been a class of people, whom you could call "oligarchs" that have been around for thousands of years, and that these people generally try to live "beyond" the rules, doing essentially whatever they want.

Also, these people tend to "inbreed" to preserve their bloodlines, so they may not actually be "people" like you and I, but rather some other kind of species or subspecies.

I suppose this sounds a bit far out. Maybe I've been reading too many conspiracy theories.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6714) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

maybe a little..

Jon Stewart called it a “wealth incumbency” I just say Royalty.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

Congress is preparing for war with Iran in HR 4310. Section 1221 makes military action US policy if Iran's WMD program is not stopped.

Reminds me of the talk about Iraq's WMD program

(a) Findings- Congress makes the following findings: (1) Iran, which has long sought to foment instability and promote extremism in the Middle East, is now seeking to exploit the dramatic political transition underway in the region to undermine governments traditionally aligned with the United States and support extremist political movements in these countries. (2) At the same time, Iran may soon attain a nuclear weapons capability, a development that would threaten United States interests, destabilize the region, encourage regional nuclear proliferation, further empower and embolden Iran, the world's leading state sponsor of terrorism, and provide it the tools to threaten its neighbors, including Israel. (3) With the assistance of Iran over the past several years, Syria, Hezbollah, and Hamas have increased their stockpiles of rockets, with more than 60,000 rockets now ready to be fired at Israel. Iran continues to add to its arsenal of ballistic missiles and cruise missiles, which threaten Iran's neighbors, Israel, and United States Armed Forces in the region. (4) Preventing Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon is among the most urgent national security challenges facing the United States. (5) Successive United States administrations have stated that an Iran armed with a nuclear weapon is unacceptable. (6) President Obama stated on January 24, 2012, `Let there be no doubt: America is determined to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, and I will take no options off the table to achieve that goal.'. (7) In order to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons, the United States, in cooperation with its allies, must utilize all elements of national power including diplomacy, robust economic sanctions, and credible, visible preparations for a military option. (8) Nevertheless, to date, diplomatic overtures, sanctions, and other non-kinetic actions toward Iran have not caused the Government of Iran to abandon its nuclear weapons program. (9) With the impact of additional sanctions uncertain, additional pressure on the Government of Iran could come from the credible threat of military action against Iran's nuclear program. (b) Declaration of Policy- It shall be the policy of the United States to take all necessary measures, including military action if required, to prevent Iran from threatening the United States, its allies, or Iran's neighbors with a nuclear weapon.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/congress-getting-ready-for-war-with-iran-hr-4310-t/

[-] 0 points by writerconsidered123 (344) 2 years ago

what's not on the list is an embargo on iranian oil exports because that would hurt to much. does anyone remember bush stating we wouldn't stop iranian oil exports because it would hurt the iranian people too much? what really got me was that statment went completely unchallengeed. bush doesn't give a damn about the iranian people. the real truth is if you shut down the oil, gas prices will skyrocket. and no one wants to pay that price. so you better accept a nuclear iran or be prepared to pay $10.00/a gal.

So put up or shut up

[-] 3 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

I'm the guy not wanting a war with Iran and wants all these other wars to end.

These wars are wasting our tax dollars and every time we attack another nation it just fuels hate for our country.

All this talk about Iran is just the mirrored garbage from what they said about Iraq.

I love our country. I want this corrupt government to stop messing it up.

[-] 2 points by writerconsidered123 (344) 2 years ago

absolutely agree

[-] 1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

"I love our country. I want this corrupt government to stop messing it up." Me too.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

All the more reason that every person in the world should be supporting and pushing for implementation of:

Green Tech.

This is where we should be going: Green Energy we have the technology we just need to use it. This is what I am talking about. A clean future to be implemented NOW!

http://www.hopewellproject.org/

http://ecat.com/

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/ff_new_nukes/all/1

FuelCell Energy http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/news/progress_alerts.cfm/pa_id=600


Put an end to fossil fuel strife as well as fossil fuel pollution.

[-] 1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Green tech....rebuild our infrastructure...and quit supporting despotic leaders in the Middle East

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Truth - export green tech for Peace - buy it from domestic business large and small - quit throwing money to regimes.

[-] 1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

That is is a path that we should have been on long ago.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yes environmental awareness really started back in the 60's as did corporate/business awareness and dissent. People got tired and opted out - now look where we are. The longer a job is put off the bigger and harder it becomes.

[-] 1 points by writerconsidered123 (344) 2 years ago

absolutely but even with an honest effort it will still come up short but over all it will have an impact

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

A national public works program. Put the unemployed to work rebuilding/upgrading the infra structure learning new skills in a new industry that will keep a very large number of people employed for years just doing initial set-ups.

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

A public works program would be meaningless until the structural issues that caused this situation are dealt with.

Otherwise it is more of the same.

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

I think I agree with you, although a public works program would create jobs in the short term (assuming its done properly, unlike our most recent stimulus), Americans have lost confidence in our financial system (and that lack of confidence hangs over our economy like a giant dark cloud).

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Read my current letter to the President. It addresses that as well.

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Where is it?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago
[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Someone don like my written to de pres.

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[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

I agree. As long as businesses have the ability to oursource our jobs at will, I don't see a public works program being that helpful. We have to bring down the false belief that neoliberalism is working for the interests of regular people. Many of the public companies have been making record profits lately, but still unemployment or underemployment especially among the educated young is at record levels.

[-] 1 points by writerconsidered123 (344) 2 years ago

I ment impact on the fossil fuel consumption

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I believe we currently have a glut do to the green power tech. that has been implemented. Demand is down so reserves are up. Will it take a while to end dependence on fossil fuel? Sure. But we will use less and less as we go along. In the meantime - plenty of employment.

[-] 2 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 2 years ago

Because you are an advocate of green energy (as am I), you might like this:

The missing link to renewable energy

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/donald_sadoway_the_missing_link_to_renewable_energy.html

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Great vid Great concept. A liquid Metal battery large enough to be useful as a power grid electrical storage and supply component.

Another piece to the puzzle of green power supply - electrical power supply over all regardless of the feed to the battery. Power Grid resiliency and flexibility.

An example of continuous process improvement and mixing of sciences to address a common issue.

I am gonna add that to my list.

People - you like green tech?

You have got to watch this vid: The liquid Metal Battery - another piece to the puzzle.

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/donald_sadoway_the_missing_link_to_renewable_energy.html

[-] 2 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 2 years ago

Here's their web site:

http://lmbcorporation.com/

Flyer:

http://lmbcorporation.com/files/flyerFinal.pdf

LMBC’s product will be modular - allowing repeatable manufacturing and ease of transport. When integrated onsite, the modules have the footprint of a shipping container, and the system will be rated at 500 kW with 2 MWh storage capacity.

The management and control electronics are configured to allow remote operation and monitoring of the battery without on-site personnel. The liquid metal battery operates silently, is emissions-free and has no moving parts. These characteristics allow LMBC’s product to be sited in the middle of the city or the middle of the desert without special regulatory or permitting requirements.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Like I said an awesome concept and a very much needed power regulator even to our existing systems. Think of the blackouts this technology could prevent on suddenly stressed supply lines. Could stop rolling blackouts as well as brown outs.

Thanks for the additional links.

http://lmbcorporation.com/

http://lmbcorporation.com/files/flyerFinal.pdf

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 2 years ago

This is another idea that could work if our government would distance itself from oil, gas, and coal lobbyists. IMO, they ( and our bought congress) are the ones impeding progress.

100 Miles of Mirrors solar thermal - power the US

http://rimstar.org/blog/index.php/2010/12/09/can-100-miles-of-mirrors-solar-thermal-power-the-us

http://www.solarenergyfallacies.com/harness-the-power/solarpowertechnology/solar-thermal-power/

http://www.globalenvision.org/2008/07/29/saharan-solar-plants-could-power-all-europe

This is a passion, so I hope I'm not chewing your ear too much :)

Cheers

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Thanks for the solar update. I can see where this could be practical in areas - but would require a lot of bare ground to make it work. So yeah desert waste land areas. Use it to power deep well pumps to access an aqua-fir for irrigation or something like that.

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 2 years ago

Please be aware that this is not photovoltaic technology but thermal and that 100 Miles of Mirrors concentrated solar thermal power plant could generate enough power to meet ALL of the needs of the US, not just a few pumps.

http://rimstar.org/blog/index.php/2010/12/09/can-100-miles-of-mirrors-solar-thermal-power-the-us

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

If you have enough ground that you want to dedicate - that is an awful lot of acreage needed. Plus a consistent source of "strong" sunlight. So you would want to look into areas with minimal cloud coverage. Yes I believe that this could be a useful technology - just not an all purpose technology.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Thanks.

You no doubt have probably seen this more then a few times - but I like to bring it out to keep it in circulation:

Green Tech.

This is where we should be going: Green Energy we have the technology we just need to use it. This is what I am talking about. A clean future to be implemented NOW!

http://www.hopewellproject.org/

http://ecat.com/

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/ff_new_nukes/all/1

FuelCell Energy http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/news/progress_alerts.cfm/pa_id=600

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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26862) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Luck with that you have been trying for awhile now. Sock puppet of the greedy corrupt criminal status-quo. Blind march into a wall lately?

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[-] 1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 2 years ago

Iran is the big prize. Counties like Syria, Iraq, Libya, Afganistan are just hobbies for TPTB.

[-] 2 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

Also, I think attack on Iran is directed towards the subjugation of China, cutting off its energy resources.

[-] 0 points by TrueEarth (11) 2 years ago

Not surprising. I can't help but get the sense that they want to control Syria as a strategic manuever towards setting up digs to get Russia.

[-] 1 points by writerconsidered123 (344) 2 years ago

that's a little too conspiriatoral for my taste

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

The power players have been using proxi wars forever....

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

Indeed so, could be the beginning of WW3.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

It isn't so much about the oil itself, but rather the control of it.

[+] -5 points by BoCongo (-26) 2 years ago

Another conspiracy theory aimed at fear mongering from one of the site's main conspiracy theorists.

[-] 3 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 2 years ago

Another inane statement by the site's main inanity theorist.