Forum Post: One Demand to Create a Cascade of Change
Posted 1 year ago on Feb. 1, 2012, 2:42 p.m. EST by PoIemarchus
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The source of all problems brought up by OWS is money in politics. Period.
We should make one demand: remove money from politics. One demand is less confusing and has a much better chance of being met than making a gazillion demands. Protesting against corporations and the 1% is attacking the problem from the flank instead of dead on. If corporations cannot fund the representatives they want, then their money does not talk politics.
All parties and candidates should get their campaign funds from taxes. This model already exists in Canada and should be copied. When corporations are able to fund the parties they prefer in exchange for promises, then corruption automatically ensues. Always.
A strong protest with this one demand would have a chance to make a real change. If the that demand is met, then the government would become responsive to all people instead of corporations and individuals with money. Votes would once again have meaning. At this point, it becomes much easier to make other demands to fix the problems with banks and mega corporations.
there is other corruption of the vote by money beside financing
high paying jobs are offered to members of the staff after a candidate is through serving
Getting the money out of US politics is like getting water out of the ocean. Not gonna happen short of revolution.
I like campaign funds from taxes only
Without funding a poor candidate wouldn't have a chance. This could have a dire affect on equal representation. Only the wealthy would run for congress. Yikes ! Perhaps this was the underlying / hidden OWS motive all along ?
This is an ignorant comment and is absolutely false. The reverse is true.
Look at the Canadian system. Funding exists, but it comes from taxes. It is then distributed amongst the parties depending on how many seats they have. Big parties need more money because they have more candidates and districts. Parties starting out need less because they have fewer candidates. No money can be used except for the money allotted from the taxes.
Canada's NDP party recently went from being a small party to a big one. There is more variation and parties in Canada than in US. In US you have two parties, that's it.
Canadian politicians are not the wealthiest people in the country by a huge margin. They also get much small salaries than US politicians.
As long as you have outside influence providing money, they'll always be corruption because they'll always be paybacks.
Get informed. You don't know what you're talking about.
I've said this before and I'll say it again. You should stick to observing.
They should do the same when spending the budget. Let each seat decide what to do with their share. Or even better let each party have their cut according to vote. This would give everyones vote some true meaning. Because than even the minority would have control. Not just the majority take all method.
It's Thrasymaque again under another moniker. Just have to get your two cents in eh?
And this new one as well.
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Yes. That's me. I'm not trying to hide it. I'll use TH at the end of my next monikers if that makes you happy. I figured everybody could just tell from my writing style. Although, you should fight the arguments, not the proposer. It's not important who posts what. The only thing that's important is the contents of the posts and comments.
The only person ignoring this is you. Hand over the information that is requested or I have to assume that you are, in fact, a Koch head. I mean, people will merely go question your parents, possibly talk to former teachers, or former bosses. What's the harm? I don't see any harm in transparency here, do you? Only a Koch head would have a vested interest in 15 different accounts and continuously trying to pull people and speakers out and casting them in a disparaging light. Koch head. This would be the reason that you keep saying things like you shouldn't pay attention to the why someone is writing a post but look at the posts. amiright?
You're stalking me from post to post like TIOUAISE used to do before being banned. I already answered the questions you are posing a gazillion times. I need someone to test my bots on, I was planning on attacking the conspiracy theorists, but if you keep stalking me I'll use you. Please realize, this means you won't be able to use the forum any longer. This is a friendly warning. You shed first blood. Stop stalking me and I won't do anything.
If I have many characters, it was to escape stalkers such as yourself.
I'm already married girl. Find someone else if you need to midnight pleasures.
You have many characters because you are a troll. Nothing more and nothing less. You seem to have no problem talking about me in post to post. Do you? Your just occupying the forum, amiright? I will just occupy Thrasy. Why on earth would you object?
I don't object if you Occupy me. That's fine. I need a guinea pig for my bot testing. Your stalking is the reason I have many characters. I created them to avoid TIOUAISE's stalking and destroy his forum character.
Stay banned and you won't have this problem. Or shut the fuck up and take what you subject the rest of the users to. :D
I have other ways to solve problems such as stalking.
Quit crying Thrasy.
You've been banned from this forum. What you are doing is simply vandalism. You must really hate Occupy Wall Street.
Yes. I like contributing opinions to this forum. If that bothers you, simply ignore. If the moderators didn't ban me for posting criticism of Occupy, I wouldn't have to use civil disobedience and change my username. Unfortunately, certain things cannot be discussed around here. It takes me a sec to create a new user so bans aren't very effective. It just creates more mess on the forum as usernames change up.
The only person ignoring this is you. Hand over the information that is requested or I have to assume that you are, in fact, a Koch head. I mean, people will merely go question your parents, possibly talk to former teachers, or former bosses. What's the harm? I don't see any harm in transparency here, do you? Only a Koch head would have a vested interest in 15 different accounts and continuously trying to pull people and speakers out and casting them in a disparaging light. Koch head. This would be the reason that you keep saying things like you shouldn't pay attention to the why someone is writing a post but look at the posts. amiright?
Hand over the information? What information?
TIOUAISE used to stalk me. Now it's you? I was using him to test my bot. Now that he's banned, do you want me to use you instead? I already answered your question a zillion times, and I'll remind you that asking forum users to reveal their personal identities is against the forum rules.
Let me remind you that I am not asking forum users. I am asking a known troll with 14 other accounts that has been repeatedly banned. Your threats are meaningless. You have tortured other users. Isn't this fun? Isn't this what you came for? Save your sanctimonious BS for those who are willing to buy into it.
Stop stalking me or face my bots. I'll be happy to show you how meaningless my threats are. If you take a moment to look around, you'll see that TIOUAISE is no more.
I am not afraid of you Thrasy. :D
OK. Perfect. Let's see if your mind changes after you've met my bots.
There will be no changes on my part. You are a threatening and bullying troll that uses passive aggressive techniques.
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Get informed. You don't know what you're talking about. I've said this before and I'll say it again. You should stick to observing.
I agree that this is the fundamental issue underlying so many of the country's problems. It is an issue which is quite focused and which I would expect to have broad public support.
I feel kinda queasy about Occupy championing this issue though. They seem to have a knack for alienating a lot of people.
end the fed.
nothing else will do one damn thing.
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