Forum Post: I'm admitting it.
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 14, 2011, 5:19 p.m. EST by an0n
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Given the options on the table, and despite how betrayed I am and how much he's a POS sellout, I will probably be voting for Obama. The worst I might do is withhold my vote altogether (or perhaps toss it to the Greens). I cannot in good conscience vote for any of the other options on the table.
Isn't that what all the trolls want to hear?
Does that invalidate the OWS movement as the trolls like to claim?
Would I choose Obama as an ideal president? Hell no. Do I accept his excuses and failures and compromises and wars? Hell no. Is it OK that Goldman Sachs basically owns him? Hell no. Do I want to do everything in my power to change the system that made him the only viable option? Hell yes. Will I accept OWS being a stooge of the corporate Democratic party? Hell no. Will I throw in with the Paulites because we happen to agree on a couple of issues? Hell no.
Ideology is not as unimportant as some seem to think. The libertarian right is for taking the shackles off of business and markets, and that's exactly the behavior that has led us here. Further, they want to remove the ability for government to intervene in any capacity during economic downturns. Think infrastructure and green energy investments would be a good idea right now? They won't have it. Blah blah Fed, blah blah Hayek. New Deal era regulations, and, I'm sorry to say, the Fed and Keynesian deficit-spending policies, worked, until they were undermined by the corporate oligarchy in the past 4 decades who tossed out the regs, cut taxes during booms, and screamed "deficits" during the busts, all to neuter government effectiveness and bolster their ideological anti-state position. We, the 99% have paid. Nobody likes big government for its own sake, and definitely nobody likes being less free. I, however, think I am less free in a feudalistic libertarian economy than in a robust liberal one.
Elizabeth Warren explains some of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK1MOMKZ8BI
Also recommend perusing http://robertreich.org/ and reading some Krugman articles at NYT to bone up on Keynes.
I won't vote for the group that wants to take us back to the Gilded Age, as someone so eloquently put it last night, no matter how much I agree on some hot button issues.
I don't expect you all to share my views, but I expect you to respect them, and realize this movement is as much about my ideas as it is yours. We can try to tone down the infighting and agree on middle ground, or we can split up, but you're NOT going to win us all over, and you're NOT going to hijack OWS.
So, I'm willing to share a limited movement with Paulites, but I'm not drinking the kool-aid, and I'm not voting for their guy. Condemn me for being a leftist, a statist, and a Democratic shill.
Trolls, come on down.
"I'm willing to share a limited movement with Paulites, but I'm not drinking the kool-aid, and I'm not voting for their guy."
This. I have a secret, privately held hope that Occupy will not only fix our governmental system - as a limited movement - but it will also teach a new generation of people what is involved in being a citizen of a democracy.
That means long, hard roads, glacial (can we even use that metaphor anymore?) progress, and specific goals. It means working with people you hate in a limited capacity for a common goal. It means recognizing that we have to the share the world and live together.
Would I place a bet on this happening? No. But a man can dream.
If what you conclude with is your true feeling about it then finding common ground should be an objective of this forum.
Great. Let's do it.
agree with many points in this post. I don't like Obama, but he's definitely better than an openly corporate candidate
Many more people will come to your side when you are proactive (for “new” Business & Government solutions), instead of reactive (against “old” Business & Government solutions), which is why what we most immediately need is a comprehensive “new” strategy that implements all our various socioeconomic demands at the same time, regardless of party, and although I'm all in favor of taking down today's ineffective and inefficient Top 10% Management System of Business & Government, there's only one way to do it – by fighting bankers as bankers ourselves; that is, using a Focused Direct Democracy organized according to our current Occupations & Generations. Consequently, I have posted a 1-page Summary of the Strategically Weighted Policies, Organizational Operating Structures, and Tactical Investment Procedures necessary to do this at:
http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/on_strategic_legal_policy_organizational_operational_structures_tactical_investment_procedures
Join
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/
because we need 100,000 “support clicks” at AmericansElect.org to support a Presidential Candidate -- such as any given political opportunist you'd like to draft -- in support of the above bank-focused platform.
Most importantly, remember, as cited in the first link above, that as Bank Owner-Voters in your 1 of 48 "new" Business Investment Groups (or "new" Congressional Committees) you become the "new" Congress replacing the "old" Congress according to your current Occupation & Generation, called a Focused Direct Democracy.
Therefore, any Candidate (or Leader) therein, regardless of party, is a straw man, a puppet; it's the STRATEGY – the sequence of steps – that the people organize themselves under, in Military Internet Formation of their Individual Purchasing & Group Investment Power, that's important. Sequence is key.
Why? Because there are Natural Social Laws – in mathematical sequence – that are just like Natural Physical Laws, such as the Law of Gravity. You must follow those Natural Social Laws or the result will be Injustice, War, etc.
The FIRST step in Natural Social Law is to CONTROL the Banks as Bank Owner-Voters. If you do not, you will inevitably be UNJUSTLY EXPLOITED by the Top 10% Management Group of Business & Government who have a Legitimate Profit Motive, just like you, to do so.
Consequently, you have no choice but to become Candidates (or Leaders) yourselves as Bank Owner-Voters according to your current Occupation & Generation.
So please JOIN the 2nd link, so we can make our support clicks at AmericansElect.org when called for by e-mail from the group in the 2nd link, and then you will see and feel how your goals can be accomplished within the strategy of the 1st link as a “new” Candidate (or Leader) of your Occupation & Generation.
Many more people will come to your side when you are proactive (for “new” Business & Government solutions), instead of reactive (against “old” Business & Government solutions), which is why what we most immediately need is a comprehensive “new” strategy that implements all our various socioeconomic demands at the same time, regardless of party, and although I'm all in favor of taking down today's ineffective and inefficient Top 10% Management System of Business & Government, there's only one way to do it – by fighting bankers as bankers ourselves; that is, using a Focused Direct Democracy organized according to our current Occupations & Generations. Consequently, I have posted a 1-page Summary of the Strategically Weighted Policies, Organizational Operating Structures, and Tactical Investment Procedures necessary to do this at:
http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/on_strategic_legal_policy_organizational_operational_structures_tactical_investment_procedures
Join
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/
because we need 100,000 “support clicks” at AmericansElect.org to support a Presidential Candidate -- such as any given political opportunist you'd like to draft -- in support of the above bank-focused platform.
Most importantly, remember, as cited in the first link above, that as Bank Owner-Voters in your 1 of 48 "new" Business Investment Groups (or "new" Congressional Committees) you become the "new" Congress replacing the "old" Congress according to your current Occupation & Generation, called a Focused Direct Democracy.
Therefore, any Candidate (or Leader) therein, regardless of party, is a straw man, a puppet; it's the STRATEGY – the sequence of steps – that the people organize themselves under, in Military Internet Formation of their Individual Purchasing & Group Investment Power, that's important. Sequence is key.
Why? Because there are Natural Social Laws – in mathematical sequence – that are just like Natural Physical Laws, such as the Law of Gravity. You must follow those Natural Social Laws or the result will be Injustice, War, etc.
The FIRST step in Natural Social Law is to CONTROL the Banks as Bank Owner-Voters. If you do not, you will inevitably be UNJUSTLY EXPLOITED by the Top 10% Management Group of Business & Government who have a Legitimate Profit Motive, just like you, to do so.
Consequently, you have no choice but to become Candidates (or Leaders) yourselves as Bank Owner-Voters according to your current Occupation & Generation.
So please JOIN the 2nd link, so we can make our support clicks at AmericansElect.org when called for by e-mail from the group in the 2nd link, and then you will see and feel how your goals can be accomplished within the strategy of the 1st link as a “new” Candidate (or Leader) of your Occupation & Generation.
Good choice, I will be voting for Obama too. I believe he is a follower just like us and is down for the struggle.
sorry, but I won't be voting for Obama or whoever it is that the Repubs field. A vote for Dems or Repubs is a vote for Status quo
I find this to be a perfectly valid position.
Going with the better, if imperfect, choice beats doing nothing, which is what not voting is.
Leaving others to choose for you? That can't be better.
For God's sake don't vote Green. I don't understand splitting progressives and taking away the 1-3% that ends up HANDING the elections to the Republicans. Please, he might be a sellout but what is worse? Do you believe that Republicans will help us change if they win? No way. Sad, but true. Only Romney might help neuter the lobbying groups but I highly doubt it...
I need some leverage over the sellout bastard. He's been stomping on the 99% for most of his presidency and he doesn't get to take me for granted, not in the least.
The movement doesn't condone or condemn any candidate, despite what some self-proclaimed pundits on this forum would like to think. Don't mistake this forum for the movement. The movement is out there, not in here.
I disagree with you, because the Fed is inherently corporate and will therefore always be corrupted by private concerns. It may have appeared to work but was always on a steady inevitable path towards what it is now. And the movement isn't for deregulation, and if that's what you're implying I'm not sure where you're getting it from.
But you're free to vote for whoever you want and still consider yourself part of the movement. I welcome opinions that don't jive with the majority. It's healthy to give all opinions a voice here.
Ron Paul: "You know it’s interesting, I voted on the Glass-Steagal change and I voted against it. The free market though would not have a Glass-Steagal. Banks could do what they want and they have to suffer the consequence. The reason I voted against it, that bill did have some bad parts to it, but one of the reasons I argued against it, repealing it, it was that it was going to put a greater burden on the banks and the taxpayer was at risk, at greater risk through the FDIC and other insurance programs of the government. So I saw that as a greater burden on the taxpayer and voted against it. But I’m for the free market and free market banking, therefore you would have no rules against banks being involved in commercial and investment banking." http://www.ronpaul.com/2010-05-26/ron-paul-change-the-philosophy-of-government/
I'm not suggesting OWS is against regulations, just that Paul is.