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ThaT's jusT Trash Talk !!! You or jart destroyed my previous moniker but noThing has changed !! I'm still me and you're still a muppeT !

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Thread: OWS Discord...Jart is Busy
[-] 1 points by grapes (3031) 1 hour ago

Check out the size of the ozone hole over Antarctica. The Montreal Protocol worked. Yes, when countries realized how much they all had at stake, they acted and saved the ozone, the planktons, the anchovies, the mackerels, the tunas, the whales, the fishermen, their families, the fish consumers, and so on.

Another example is acid rain in the U.S. Sulfur dioxide emission trading under the tightening pollution standard has greatly reduced the problem of dead forests and dead ponds.

Avoid handshakes to prevent spreading germs. It is just cultural change that can save lives as alluded to in: Infectious Disease Insurgencies.

Thread: OWS Discord...Jart is Busy
[-] 1 points by grapes (3031) 1 hour ago

The magic of "saving the planet" lies in aligning Tesla, Google, etc. with the consumers' appetites and wallets. Consumers can exceed 100% rate of return by thinking wisely and controlling impulses. Producers can never achieve anywhere near that.

As an example, I need a cup of milk but I have none. In my mind, I picture driving my one-ton car to the grocery store to get a gallon of milk. That burns up gasoline, pollutes the environment, and fuels terrorism and the oil wars in the Middle East.

If I feel that I am really just thirsty, I drink a cup of water instead. I saved the gasoline, the time for the trip, and the cost of the cup of milk. The return is far more than the cost of the cup of milk. No one in the world can know what I truly want, not Tesla, not Google. The best Tesla can do is to get me off of oil and use half coal, quarter natural gas, and one fifth nuclear. The environmental impact is still pretty big, not to mention that I could get into an accident or incur a big medical bill.

My point is that people can do far better themselves. Waiting for Tesla or Google is okay but it delays actions. If we legalize Uber in more places, we can reduce the ownership of cars and parking spaces. That is a cultural issue that can be addressed today - no need for lithium from Chile.

Thread: OWS Discord...Jart is Busy
[-] 2 points by trashyharry (1860) from Waterville, NY 2 hours ago

I am not going to involve myself in childish squabbles over an internet forum.Other controversies of whatever kind I will deal with as I choose.See you in NY on October 8,2014.Try not to get hurt when you are getting arrested on Wall Street on Monday.I could only find someone to take care of the 40 animals we have here for the 3rd Occupy or Flood Wall Street,not both.I chose Occupy,even though I wanted to go to the bigger,more sexy event on the 21st which will involve all of the most famous writers,activists and celebrities.The 3rd Occupy went very well,and I feel I did the right thing.There is a reason why the people on this forum put up with me,and it doesn't involve Jart,Lulz, sentimentality,family connections,my work,or Fortune.I am not an educated person,so it's not that.These people are not sentimental,nor do they engage much in Personalities.Either you don't know why these people tolerate me because you lack perspicacity,or you do know the reason and you count it for nothing because you are a Fool.I cannot respond to anything you have to say to me or about me because I do not have time for it.In order to continue to engage my attention,you still have options available to you,so Knock Yourself Out,if you don't have anything better to do.

Thread: OWS Discord...Jart is Busy
[-] 1 points by trashyharry (1860) from Waterville, NY 3 hours ago

There is no disgrace in failing at Business.Not really.I myself have lost 2 small businesses.It's a bitter experience.Most people lose way more than I did because by the time they lose it,they have loans out that still have to be paid.I invested money I saved from working.It was only a total of around 80 grand for both episodes,but it was all I had.I once owned an art collection that would be worth millions now if I had been able to hold onto it.That's business-one bad break or poor decision and you're gone.It has a kind of Terrible Beauty-does it not?

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[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1295) 3 hours ago

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Thread: OWS Discord...Jart is Busy
[-] 1 points by grapes (3031) 4 hours ago

Bitcoin model may have solved the problem already. The internet is not a single server to the world but the information still gets there somehow. Coca-Cola's trade secret formula continues to be accessible and used even though no one person has access to it.

Thread: OWS Discord...Jart is Busy
[-] 1 points by grapes (3031) 5 hours ago

You are right. They are Downright Unamerican!

Thread: OWS Discord...Jart is Busy
[-] 1 points by grapes (3031) 5 hours ago

There are many environmental solutions that exist. I am being facetious here: Remember Bush's hydrogen economy? Where are we now?

Google has great potential but it has already succumbed to the curse on all corporations. It is not a problem that it becomes amoral but we still need the people to steer it towards being moral.

Okay, Tesla comes up with lithium-battery-powered cars. Hmmm, how much lithium do we really have? When will we have a lithium economy? ;)

Thread: OWS Discord...Jart is Busy
[-] 1 points by anarkette (26) from Boston, MA 5 hours ago

Hold on tiger, you're the one who said you wanted to remain on the fence, on the sidelines. And, there's nothing wrong with that. It's what the majority of people want. You're more than normal.

Thread: OWS Discord...Jart is Busy
[-] 2 points by trashyharry (1860) from Waterville, NY 5 hours ago

Until becoming Too Big and Important to fail in business like everyone else.The inability to fail is their doom.

Thread: OWS Discord...Jart is Busy
[-] 1 points by trashyharry (1860) from Waterville, NY 5 hours ago

Whatever.I don't know you and don't want to.Hope you enjoyed New York at the 3rd Anniversary of #OWS.Or Oakland,or wherever you went.I'm sure I'll be seeing you on October 8,2014 at 50th St. and 6th avenue.Because you are obviously a Fearless Leader.

Thread: OWS Discord...Jart is Busy
[-] 1 points by grapes (3031) 5 hours ago

To fail is human, to try again after going broke is American.

Thread: OWS Discord...Jart is Busy
[-] 1 points by anarkette (26) from Boston, MA 5 hours ago

The fact though is that servants and leaders do not need to be exclusive of each other. Those at the control levers can be servants at one time and leaders at other times or both at the same time.

Sure, but that's not what happened to OWS in practice. The leaders remain the leaders since the beginning. It's actually more dangerous than representatives since we don't always no who they are and we don't get to vote every 4 years or so to rotate them.

I'm interested in practical stuff. Real stuff. Not lame rhetorical garbage.

Sorry to be so blunt.

OWS can work like that, too.

Perhaps, but it isn't. If you believe it can, then show us how. How do we go from a forum like this one controlled by one person, to a leaderless forum (for example).

Thread: OWS Discord...Jart is Busy
[-] 1 points by grapes (3031) 5 hours ago

You are correct about a few movers and shakers being often at the control levers. The fact though is that servants and leaders do not need to be exclusive of each other. Those at the control levers can be servants at one time and leaders at other times or both at the same time.

I watched ants hauled a fly to their nest. They did not have an apparent leader and yet they got the job done. OWS can work like that, too.

Thread: OWS Discord...Jart is Busy
[-] 1 points by flip (6819) 5 hours ago

tesla is certainly not the answer

Thread: OWS Discord...Jart is Busy
[-] 1 points by anarkette (26) from Boston, MA 5 hours ago

That's fine. You can stay on the sidelines and watch the game from afar. They sell popcorn at stand #3. Enjoy the show.

Thread: OWS Discord...Jart is Busy
[-] 1 points by trashyharry (1860) from Waterville, NY 5 hours ago

I got all hopeful about a family that lives near me at one point.Sure enough,I was warned-Religious Nut Bags-don't even bother.I was told their MO is to not bring up The Good News right off the bat.Good luck with that,folks! Good Strategery!

Thread: OWS Discord...Jart is Busy
[-] 1 points by anarkette (26) from Boston, MA 5 hours ago

The U.S. government... (blah blah blah)

Governments can't save us when it comes to international global problems like Global Warming. Look at what they have done for Global Warming so far. Nothing. They just meet and do nothing. The people who can take action are activists, environmental groups like GreenPeace, and companies like Google and Tesla Motors. They are the ones who will put solutions to life.

If Tesla offers an environmentally green car and if the peoole still would not buy it, there is still no way to "save the planet."

That's kind of a lame way to look at things no? Who makes the real difference, those who have ideas and take the personal financial risk to develop them into useful products, or the consumers who just buy the products when the are ready? Consumers just wait. Entrepreneurs do.

The people's mindset has to change first

It already has. People would quickly adopt environmental solutions if they existed. That's why we need saviours like Tesla Motors and others to make those solutions for us.


In essence you're saying the peoples will save the world. And, you say they will do this by consuming things like electric cars when they are ready. Fine then. Just go wait on the sidelines until we have a product for you to consume.

Thread: OWS Discord...Jart is Busy
[-] 2 points by trashyharry (1860) from Waterville, NY 5 hours ago

Alrighty,then.I just don't want to sink what energy I have into Savage Arguments.I just can't do it anymore.

Thread: OWS Discord...Jart is Busy
[-] 1 points by grapes (3031) 5 hours ago

The U.S. government was handing out money for the U.S. populace to green up. Yet, the programs were surprisingly ineffective. In fact, the Great Recession did a far better job at cleaning up the traffic congestion's exhaust.

If Tesla offers an environmentally green car and if the people still would not buy it, there is still no way to "save the planet." The people's mindset has to change first. People need to see our oil addiction leads to wars, repressions, insurgencies, diseases, environmental degradations, deaths, poor nutrition, starvations, lack of education, and on and on. I see connections but many still do not so we still have much mind work to do.

Thread: OWS Discord...Jart is Busy
[-] 1 points by trashyharry (1860) from Waterville, NY 5 hours ago

One of the reasons people hated me was because of my constant interference in their activities because they constantly would ignore safety procedures while working.They would try to keep me from bothering them by locking the doors to the studios and hiding or disappearing safety equipment.Nobody would listen and one of them lost 4 fingers on his right hand.Good luck in an art career with an injury like that.

Thread: OWS Discord...Jart is Busy
[-] 1 points by anarkette (26) from Boston, MA 5 hours ago

Yup, US is the land of douchebags.

Thread: OWS Discord...Jart is Busy
[-] 1 points by trashyharry (1860) from Waterville, NY 5 hours ago

I am afraid I would have to agree on the Giant Shithole status of the Land of the Losers,Home of the Slaves.I have to go all out of my way to even find another person who isn't Dumb as Fuck-All.Nevertheless,I won't be leaving the country-I would if I was in my 20's.This country is pretty much a Hopeless Pile of Shit peopled mainly by Rubes,Rednecks,Bumpkins,Morons,Carpetbaggers,Con Artists,Head Cases,Basket Cases,and so forth.

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