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Apparently ''You've drawn the wrong conclusion'', lol because .. ''Using the current political structure is the only option that makes any sense. Moderates are only useful so long as we can bend them to our will - which becomes possible simply because of their flexibility.''

Sheesh, I guess that that is what OWS must be all about, huh ?! ''Using the current political structure'' - you know, the same ''political structure'' that got us all in the shit we're in !! Meanwhile - back in reality, when asked coolly and calmly - most people want things that are way to the left of most D & R pols in the US & most Con-Dem & Labour pols in The UK, most of whom are now blinded by Neoliberalism !!!

Thanx for your excellent excerpt and points and I very strongly recommend the following to all readers :

fiat justitia ruat caelum ...

Thread: How Many of These Do You Abhor?
[-] 1 points by nazihunter (660) 16 minutes ago

If you wanna fight with everyone in the operating room, the patient's as good as dead.

Thread: krugman on sweden
[-] 2 points by shadz66 (17848) 35 minutes ago

Bill Moyers talking to Paul Krugman in a highly interesting, very important and 'must see' interview :

The second link pertains to the book that they are discussing in the interview. I did a forum-post on it yesterday (Easter Sunday) but it was banned for reasons that are a mystery to me.So a wee word of unsolicited advice ... break up that monolithic block of text into paragraphs please (double tap 'enter') because it is hard on the eyes like that ;-)

pax et lux ...

A good point and question. Furthermore, please see my links above for the salient information.

multum in parvo ...

Thread: #OccupyChristie in Trenton, NJ This Weekend
[-] 2 points by shadz66 (17848) 1 hour ago

So you advocate such a person as Hitlary Clinton and - what ?! I'm ''a wall street stooge'', huh ?!! Man, your head is now sooooo far up your arse - that talking shit has now become anatomically inevitable !!!

Read the article and especially watch the Bill Moyers Video interview in the last link and you just might learn something, u reactionary, loudmouthed, nincompoop. I made a forum-post on it but it was banned with no explanation ! Say .. you're on here morning, noon and night, right ?!! So .. are you not only mad but a mod here too these days ?! Now that would explain a lot of the shit going on here lately lololololol.

In that case maybe you're the correct person to ask why Builder is being persecuted and his comments removed on this forum that he joined before most of us. Sure he can be cranky but hey, so are u right ?!

verum ex absurdo et fiat lux ...

Thread: How Many of These Do You Abhor?
[-] 2 points by flip (5035) 1 hour ago

so you answered two of his charges and did a nice job on the centralized power issue. as to bush and Afghanistan - you are way off base - just a small piece from noam on your opinion - The issue of “just war” should not be confused with a wholly different question: Should the perpetrators of the atrocities of September 11 be punished for their crimes—“crimes against humanity,” as they were called by Robert Fisk, Mary Robinson, and others. On this there is virtually unanimous agreement—though, notoriously, the principles do not extend to the agents of even far worse crimes who are protected by power and wealth. The question is how to proceed. The approach favored by Afghans who were ignored had considerable support in much of the world. Many in the South would surely have endorsed the recommendations of the UN representative of the Arab Women’s Solidarity Association: “providing the Taliban with evidence (as it has requested) that links bin Laden to the September 11 attacks, employing diplomatic pressures to extradite him, and prosecuting terrorists through international tribunals,” and generally adhering to international law, following precedents that exist even in much more severe cases of international terrorism. Adherence to international law had scattered support in the West as well, including the preeminent Anglo-American military historian Michael Howard, who delivered a “scathing attack” on the bombardment, calling instead for an international “police operation” and international court rather than “trying to eradicate cancer cells with a blow torch.” Washington’s refusal to call for extradition of the suspected criminals, or to provide the evidence that was requested, was entirely open, and generally approved. Its own refusal to extradite criminals remains effectively secret, however. There has been debate over whether U.S. military actions in Afghanistan were authorized under ambiguous Security Council resolutions, but it avoids the central issue: Washington plainly did not want Security Council authorization, which it surely could have obtained, clearly and unambiguously. Since it lost its virtual monopoly over UN decisions, the U.S. has been far in the lead in vetoes, Britain second, France a distant third, but none of these powers would have opposed a U.S.-sponsored resolution. Nor would Russia or China, eager to gain U.S. authorization for their own atrocities and repression (in Chechnya and western China, particularly). But Washington insisted on not obtaining Security Council authorization, which would entail that there is some higher authority to which it should defer. Systems of power resist that principle if they are strong enough to do so. There is even a name for that stance in the literature of diplomacy and international affairs scholarship: establishing “credibility,” a justification commonly offered for the threat or use of force. While understandable, and conventional, that stance also has lessons concerning the likely future, even more so because of the elite support that it receives, openly or indirectly

Thread: This Is Hysterical
[-] 3 points by shadz66 (17848) 1 hour ago

Shilling for HitlaryC makes you .. the resident 'Conservative' around these parts, you dickless, half-wit !!! Fuk u & your bullshit ''primer'', you clueless, right-wing ScumDog !! This is the language you understand and here are the links that you need to read & watch with regard to the last link below !

Your affiliation for this War-Whore, Neocon, Neoliberal, 0.01%er's stooge marks you out as the definitive toiletmouthed, shit-for-brains, pseudo-progressive, actual-arch-reactionary around these parts, mthrfkr !!! Your outright shilling for Dems is in the open now LoonDog !! Your pig-ignorant, bullying bullshit will not go unanswered as this is OWS, where ''voting for the status quo'' is seen for the utter bollocks that it is !

ad iudicium ....

Thread: How Many of These Do You Abhor?
[-] -1 points by ZenDog (20535) from South Burlington, VT 2 hours ago

oh what - you think I"m gonna sit here and lie?

IF it makes a difference - Afghanistan was a necessity - I know a lot of genuine OWS folk will take exception to that opinion. But it is mine.

Iraq was not only an unnecessary distraction, it was quite likely a crime of international proportion - but I'm not a lawyer.

Politicians who take cash . . . that is a problem. The only solution is to get the money out of politics. And who consistently votes to do that?

  • lemme give you a hint you lying libertarian shill - it isn't repelicans

Far as centralized power goes - only fools - deregulationists - deluded free market capitalists -insist that centralized power is in every case a bad thing.

Case in point - I'm all for States Rights - but states do not have the right to erect barriers to voting to prevent the poor or minorities from upsetting that geriatric repelican grip on power

you stupid mutherfuker

Thread: How Many of These Do You Abhor?
[-] -1 points by ZenDog (20535) from South Burlington, VT 2 hours ago

I had some time for you back in the day.

back in what day? When this place first started you mean? OH yeah . . . that day . . .

the real question is, why are you on here shilling for someone else?

The country is fuked - and since we are the most powerful nation on earth - when we go bad, the whole world goes bad.

what happened to me? what happened to you? Is collecting a pay check more important than telling the truth? more important than your kids - or your grand kids - futures?

and delineated either R or D

yeah-ya - sure. We were pals alright - so long as I didn't push back too hard against that same same line of bullshit huh.

who turned on who mutherfuker?

Thread: How Many of These Do You Abhor?
[-] 2 points by JGriff99mph (492) 2 hours ago

Last I checked- and feel free to deny any of this- you support:

  • The wars
  • The bailouts
  • Politicians who take multinational corporate and ALEC cash
  • Centralized Power

Ya, I'm the rightie.... Riiiiiiiiigggggghhhhhhhhtttttt............

Keep posting, glad this site is providing you with an income stream.

In a way, because your rampant stupidity is so hard for me to ignore, I guess Im actually helping to pay your bills too. Youre welcome.

Thread: How Many of These Do You Abhor?
[-] 0 points by JGriff99mph (492) 2 hours ago

Actually they take a lot of ALEC money, being that ALEC is a group made up of corporate pillagers who simply created a lobbying platform and gave a name to it.

Dems don't push their legislation. They just take the cash out the backfoor, more so than Republicans in many cases.

Its just that Dem supporters are too fuckin stupid to notice because its not right in front of their face:


Thread: This Is Hysterical
[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20535) from South Burlington, VT 2 hours ago

talk about dumb and dumber

Paulites - dumber 'n a box ah rocks

Thread: How Many of These Do You Abhor?
[-] 0 points by ZenDog (20535) from South Burlington, VT 2 hours ago

what does that mean and who gives a shit, hc? huh? Huh?

fuk you ya zero henge lyin' repelican fuk

Thread: This is what Repelicans look like
[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20535) from South Burlington, VT 2 hours ago

bwa hahahaha

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . stupid fuking repelicans . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Thread: The Huff Po Reports
[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20535) from South Burlington, VT 2 hours ago

yeah-ya . . . The Huff Po Reports

. . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . Stupid Fuking Repelicans. . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . .

Thread: How Many of These Do You Abhor?
[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20535) from South Burlington, VT 3 hours ago

why should I do that? Why the fuk should I do that? There are far, far too many of you provocatorial repelican scumbags attempting to control too fukin much of the entire infrastructure as it is.

stupid grapes is way off script - that's not my fault. Maybe if fools like that didn't show up here with their fuking scripts in the first place . . . who knows . . . maybe I would find something else to do.

Dredging up Sandy Berger. WTF? The mellenials don't care about him. THAT is an attempt to either assuage his right wing geriatric ass or appeal to and so please that particular demographic -

which as far as I can tell isn't too much in evidence around here - unless it is and then one simply must ask why

Why would anyone in their right mind construct an argument designed to appeal to geriatric right wing scumbags . . .

. . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . stupid fuking repelicans . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


I do hope the IG's little exploration keeps you fukers entertained - at least as entertained as I have been by the fuking shooz left out on the road last week . . .

. . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . stupid fuking repelicans . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


kiss my ass you right wing shill


  • Ivins had help. They are still out there. And grapes is off script.

Is that my fault?

Thread: Reflections on Laclau
[-] 3 points by JGriff99mph (492) 3 hours ago

Very impressive article.

Thread: How Many of These Do You Abhor?
[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20535) from South Burlington, VT 3 hours ago

here you are . . . let me see . . . hmmm . . .


*Which lab are you thinking about that may have the weaponizing capability and where is it? It is in humanity's common interest to put this technology under tight control.


Fishing again. Go fish mutherfuker

For anyone joining us who isn't up to speed, we're discussing the Anthrax letters of 2001 - and grapes is well aware that the lab where the anthrax came from did not have the equipment to conduct the final processing of the spores for weaponization. Now he's just fukin around, fishing. The comments where this conversation began are below, at the end of their natural comment nesting - but this fool insisting on continuing the dialog. For the general purposes of this discussion, grapes began, more or less, right here



*I want to state the facts but not to harm the vital interests of my "flock." I may sound confused but that is perfectly fine because my beloved "sheep" come first before my reputation. ZenDog, being a dog, you should know what the true duty of a dog guarding a flock of "sheep" is. One may even appear like a wolf and bite the ankles of some "sheep" so that can hurt.


flock? you mean sock puppets don't cha? wtf?


and from my inbox . . . what do we have here? . . .

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grapes said 6 hours ago at April 21, 2014, 12:21 a.m. EST (delete)

It has just changed to 0 and 0 under your "here longer than me" comment. Maybe I was spoofed by someone masquerading as you.

grapes said 6 hours ago at April 21, 2014, 12:19 a.m. EST (delete)

Why is Recent Comments showing TWO twinkle points 0 and -1 for your comment? Did you start Pandora's Box app on my computer? My computer also locked up and had to be rebooted. Did you cause these?


you are so fuked

Ivins may be dead, but that case is far from closed, regardless of what the FBI sayz. He had help to weaponize those spores. And then he sent those spores to two United States Senators.

You are so fuked.

That bit of art, above? You know what that is, right? It's a fukin railroad. You're on it. Only question is, who's gonna get to you first?

Thread: How Many of These Do You Abhor?
[-] 1 points by grapes (2637) 6 hours ago

Which lab are you thinking about that may have the weaponizing capability and where is it? It is in humanity's common interest to put this technology under tight control.

Anger over not getting their turn to be rich, fat, wall street scumbags. Anger that boils over into demanding that a few go to jail even if means hundreds of thousands of homeowners unfairly lose their homes. Anger defeats Empathy, without Empathy, Tyranny wins.

Naw, Occupation Wall Street happened when a bunch of spoiled rich kids were suddenly stopped from becoming wall street big shots and they were pissed off about it.

The Occupy Wall Street movement is missing the most important ingredient needed in winning a war, empathy for others, rather than concern for themselves trumping all other causes.

Empathy defeats Tyranny, but Anger defeats Empathy, and Occupy Wall Street has way too much anger to achieve real meaningful change.

No, I was not for the invasion of Iraq. I had proposed that the U.S. military budget be cut in half and the other half be used to accelerate the develop of efficient and affordable solar and wind energy.

I do think that other middle eastern countries, seeing mild change in Iraq, and with the advent of social media. wanted change as well.

Many Middle Eastern countries have very young demographics and social media and the recent past gave them hope for change to a more representative government.

Thread: How Many of These Do You Abhor?
[-] 1 points by grapes (2637) 8 hours ago

Look at ZenDog's Recent Comments. There are TWO twinkle point lines instead of one. His comment was, "You've been here longer than me, by.." Somehow my Pandora app was activated and later on my computer locked up and I had to reboot. Weird but true, maybe we touched a raw nerve inadvertently today, probably due to the anthrax comment just under ZenDog's "longer" comment listed under Recent Comments. Perhaps ZenDog's userid was spoofed and I was tricked. Also when I save a just-edited comment (the anthrax/drone no-fly zone one, as it turned out) I have to press the save button TWICE.

Thread: How Many of These Do You Abhor?
[-] 1 points by shooz (26707) 10 hours ago

Here's the original posting, with comments from Bernie, so there can be no confusion about how he feels.


I feel the same.

Oh, and tell me again about how libe(R)tarians have no influence, it's just 2 parties that are intrinsically the same.

Which one was used, to the highest degree, to put many of these items in place?

Which one is primarily being used today, to further this agenda?