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Thread: The Iran War : "War is God", by Michael Carmichael.
[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 9 hours ago

Aryans are now "ready" for multiparty golfing actions in the pre-lubed Strait of Hormuz.

It seems that Asian countries haven't done their significant culling of their pigs before the widespread threat and arrival of the African swine fever disease because prices went up by an impressive up-to-40% recently. However, U.S. farmers apparently did some culling beforehand because pork prices had dropped in recent months after the news of Red China's failure to contain the disease broke. It's no accident that U.S. farmers probably make out better than many of their Asian counterparts due to their living in a society with freer information flow and they know better how markets work. They help govern the U.S. when pursuing their own interest through their market actions based on good-quality free-flowing information.

Thread: No War, Not Now, Not Ever
[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 day ago

''The Trump-Bolton Duo is like Bush-Cheney Duo: Warmongers Using Lies to Start Illegal Wars!''

caveat actor!

Thread: Chris Hedges's Interviews Julian Assange
[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 day ago

''The Coming Show Trial of Julian Assange'', by Chris Hedges:

''Assange extradition should be warning to liberals who believe in American democracy'':

e tenebris ...

Thread: Imagine freedom
[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 day ago

''The View from Abroad - America as Others See it.'', by Fred Reed:

minima maxima sunt!

Thread: The Iran War : "War is God", by Michael Carmichael.
[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 day ago

''The War Hoax Redux'', by Ed Curtin:

''Many years of secret American/Israeli planning for an attack upon Iran can’t be wasted. The stage is set. The charade continues. The MSM keep preparing us for the .. “smoking gun.” Something's got to give - and propaganda geniuses are working overtime on delivering us an Oscar-winning justification. Don’t buy it.'' + Also consider this piece by Owen Jones:

caveat emptor!

Thread: Rich and Poor America
[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 days ago

Why ''Raising the Minimum Wage Must Be a Central Issue in 2020 Election'' - by Sasha Abramsky:

multum in parvo?

''Why Fight to Prevent Stolen Elections in 2012 and Beyond?'' ...

I have no fkn idea what your screed above is all about gropes - BUT re.the forum-post OP, read

the link above closely before attempting any response & then maybe reconsider this reply here..

ars brevis; vita longa!

''Don’t Accept the “New Normal” — Keep Outrage Alive!'' by William Rivers-Pitt:

With reference to .. ''Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election'' ... why don't citizens in U$A question RW Likudnik Israel's interference in US (s)elections, that has been going on for decades now?

respice; adspice; prospice ...

Thread: Neoliberalism: The Impossible Ideal
[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 days ago

''We Are Witnessing Imperial Decline in an Age of Planetary Decline'', by Tom Engelhardt:

''Don’t try to deny it! The political temperature of this country is rising fast. Call it Trump change or Trump warming, if you want, but grasp one thing: increasingly, you’re in a different land and, whatever happens to Donald Trump, the results down the line are likely to be ever less pretty. Trump change isn’t just an American phenomenon, it’s distinctly global.''

''Let me say that the late Chalmers Johnson would have understood President Trump perfectly. The Donald clearly arrived on the scene as blowback — the CIA term of tradecraft Johnson first put into our everyday vocabulary — from at least two things: an American imperium gone wrong with its never-ending wars, ever-rising military budgets, and ever-expanding national security state, and a new “gilded age” in which three men (Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, and Warren Buffett) have more wealth than the bottom half of society and the .01% have one of their own, a billionaire, in the Oval Office.''

''Never before in history has the rise and decline of imperial powers taken place in the context of the decline of the planet itself. Try, for instance, to imagine what a “risen” China will look like in an age in which one of its most populous regions, the north China plain, may by century’s end be next to uninhabitable, given the killing heat waves of the future.''

''In the context of both Trump change and climate change, we’re obviously still awaiting our true transformative president, the one who is not a symptom of decline, but a factor in trying to right this country and the Earth before it’s too late. You know, the one who will take as his or her slogan, MTPGA (Make The Planet Great Again).''


Of course, I did not fully read all your reply or click on your embedded links but I have at least attempted a pertinent response. The question remains tho' - will U do the same & attempt to be brief & apt gripes?!

ad iudicium?

Thread: the perpetual debt model
[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2310) from Fredericksburg, TX 3 days ago

prolix

Thread: Rich and Poor America
[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 3 days ago

It's not a political party matter, whether Obama or Trump. The fact is that each of the ruling parties sold the U.S. workers out to the kleptocrats. The Clintons, the Bushes, the Obamas, the McConnells, and the Trumps all did their shares.

The Trumps coming so late to this traitorous game that they have to camouflage better than the others. The digging still lives and the stench shall never die. I wonder what's at the other side of the Earth if Fido digs through.

The Clintons got the peace dividends from the ending of the Cold War so the advent of the internet and the subsequent tech-boom shielded the hollowing out of the U.S. labor force through the outsourcing from China (via the importing of goods by Walmart whose board had Hillary onboard to help guide the sellout) and India (via the importing of several Silicon Valleys' worth of H1-B visa holders each year.) China hacked the U.S. The intelligence and security apparatus was told to stand down by corporate hush-hush interest. If no one talked about it, no one would know that we had a big huge hole between our legs in our trousers. Then corporate profits could be maximized by not having to stitch the hole shut. Years later, well.. we got ASS-FUCKED! Geez, who would have known that China was actually a Transgender Virgina with a Clintoris Dick installed above the fleshy lippy Bam-Boo curtains to guide it?

The Bushes got Dick Cheney whispering in their ears that "deficits don't matter" to the Idiots. At one time, the financial world was actually worrying about the total disappearance of new issues of U.S. Treasury obligations and hence one of the most important financial benchmarks. The projected federal budget surplus exceeded one trillion dollars in a decade. "What are we going to do with this tsunami of surplus?" We got drunk, dozed off, got shot bigtime, then gunning back biggertime for revenge and the so-called greening (e.g., into the Green Zone in Baghdad) of the religious desert. Some U.S. oil-service companies certainly got green money stuffed into their pockets. Hmm, guess who headed or owned these companies? Bushit subscribed to the bladder theory of Treasury finance, a bit like me answering the orange juice's call to run to offer my liquid gold to God (who likes Coca-Cola, too!) as I pissed, pressed, and got baptized by the bidét. I gained eternal life but he was just all wet with a depleted bladder. Answering God's calling made the huge difference between us.

The Obamas were cleaner in contrast with what the shenanigans of their predecessors showed. They were mostly incapacitated by the Retards or intimidated into doing nothing new or just following the olds. "Campaign with poetry and govern with prose." You can hear the duplicitous tone in that, can't you? It's much better for my taste if we had got "Campaign with prose and govern with poetry [as judged by the governed, of course!]" "Two parties. One aristocracy (corporate-only-socialists.)" simply didn't work.

Here comes the old truth testifying to our Founding Fathers' wisdom after having written down our First Amendment to the Constitution. The First Amendment needs the Second Amendment to back it up. Freedom without guns may be easily vaporized by a dictator. Although they are suboptimal, guns for freedom are our ancient heritage, right from the Revolutionary War. "We answer to a Higher Authority," Hebrew National kosher Frankfurter Herr Kikkoman mumbled from Hightstown, "but where are the two Corinthians when they need to stand as the two lampstands before God?" Do the Brits and the Saudis suffice? Do they know Greek?

The volunteer-army's citizen really helped with orienting the British tank crews. Peking is a confusing place to conquer, especially by the very macho Brits who were "never lost" and didn't want to ask for directions. (I intimately understand the British idea of not being lost because I am male so although I may be taking a "scenic" route, I know that I haven't gone past a river, to a seashore, a mountain, or cross a railroad track while all the time I know where the sun is and time of day and that I am still on the Earth's surface so I'm not really lost because I'm actually enjoying serendipity.) Instead of blowing their faces yellow and red to puff up the Peking duck, they should have brought along oolong tea to share and drink with the locals. Red China under CCP is strong, hard, and brittle like a piece of monolithic Beijing-Standard-Time ceramic. Breaking it is most likely the only way to manufacture flexibility after taping it first with a duct tape. Nothing else has worked before. CCP's sovereignty means whatever promise it makes or made can be rescinded as "easily" as a tweet can. Tariff "war" is just governments exerting their sovereignties to discourage their own peoples' deemed-harmful buying habits. It's similar to my Dad's telling us that he would reduce our allowances if we bought goods from a shop which had ripped him off. We the customers had the rights to choose from whom and where we bought and we being members of one and the same family were subject to Dad's influence, leadership, and innervention. It's domestic intra-familial disciplining《国家,国家,有国先, 才有家。美国是一个国家。》 and NOT a big deal at all. To a deceitful shopkeeper, it's just karma coming real.

Stanley A. McChrystal drank much tea with the Afghanis. How else could you make liquid gold in high-and-dry Afghanistan? What comes in will eventually go back out is a Law of Nature. For example, the tides. Be fearful of anything which seemingly tries to defy this law (clorofluorocarbons, radioactive waste: Chernobyl and Fukushima, chemical waste: pesticides, paints, polychlorobiphenyls, biological waste, etc.)

Thread: Rich and Poor America
[-] -1 points by BrentWeirick81 (-87) 3 days ago

Trump is defending the working man from low wages and china. You guys sold us out. You just want power. Look at how quite Obama is now that it is evident that China fleeced him and us.

Thread: the perpetual debt model
[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 3 days ago

Looking at the pictures of modern Iraq where the mesopotamian civilization was located, you can see that many areas became desert. I learnt from a world-civilization class that a number of cities sprouted up in Mesopotamia because the people there had discovered artificial irrigation and could therefore grow more crops to feed the growing city populations. However, the salt in the irrigation water stayed behind after evaporation if not flushed away regularly by freshwater or rain (which tends to be scarce where irrigation is needed) so after many centuries, there would be so much accumulated salt that plants couldn't grow anymore. Hence, desert arrived, marking the end of the agricultural economy in southern Iraq.

At the other end is the ending time of the Last glacial period about 11,700 years ago. One cannot grow much while being in a glacial period due to the low temperatures and water being locked up in its frozen forms. "Life is electric fire burning slowly in water." Higher temperatures are necessary for a fire to burn at a higher combustion rate (cf. Arrhenius' activation energy.) and water in liquid form provides the medium for the slow combustion. The electric part comes from the anions and cations such as those from dissolved salts. Warm salty water with a mechanism to slow combustion is good for life. Life used a fatty (electrically insulating) membrane studded with protein-based-ion-channels as the mechanism for slowing and control the fire's combustion rate. Agriculture could start after warm water becomes common after 11,700 BP.

By about 5,000 years ago, there were multiple well-established river-based agricultural civilizations worldwide so the transition to agriculture had to happen before that time in these places. Shrinking the bracket of 11,700-5,000 BP (Before Present) a bit to account for glaciers to melt, the agricultural civilizations to establish themselves, and to use fewer significant digits to show some uncertainties gives 11,000-6,000 BP as a possible range for the transitions. I traced the lactose-tolerance mutation which tended to confer great survival value to an individual in a pastoral civilization. It seemed that the mutation had occurred towards the more recent end of the 11,000-6,000 range estimate. Hence, in Eastern Europe, the transition from pastoral to agricultural economy might have been 7,000-6,000 BP. When the transition actually occurred depended on the location, I picked Eastern Europe because the largest linguistic family diverged from there and there were Proto-Indo-European roots of the words today that indicated a pastoral economy.

In agriculture's spread after the Last glacial period has ended, Europe was expected to lag behind the Middle-East due to its higher latitudes so its warming came later.

Without the surplus from production, no élite class is sustainable but as Jesus said that life was more than just bread so the existence of the élites may be socially desirable for some ends.

Thread: the perpetual debt model
[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2310) from Fredericksburg, TX 3 days ago

Yes, we were headed in a bad direction long before we had any real power to do anything dangerous, except to our spirit. Settled city life and the rise of economic elites (priests and kings) was the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. hunter gatherers abandoned the garden to be herders and Cain the farmer killed Abel the herdsman symbolizing the 2nd transition: the one from pastoral to agricultural - and the concomitant evil of rule by elite parasites, such as we still have to this day . 10,000 is a nice round number that approximately coincides with the oldest continuously inhabited cities on Earth: Jericho, Palestine and Damascus, Syria.

Thread: the perpetual debt model
[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 3 days ago

Yes. I am of the opinion that our problems with our environment had started much earlier than the Age of Industrialization which had started about 200 years ago.

10,000 might have been a bit on the high side for me but I can certainly agree with you that it was sometime between 6,000 and 11,000 years ago which is the range of my estimate.

Thread: the perpetual debt model
[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2310) from Fredericksburg, TX 4 days ago

Pastoral and/or agricultural economies had started much earlier than in the past 200 years.

No shit! Get your act together. I said 10,000 in the first place.

Thread: the perpetual debt model
[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 4 days ago

Pastoral and/or agricultural economies had started much earlier than in the past 200 years. The generally accepted dates are at least from several thousands of years ago. I agree with your Original Sin statement that the adoption of pastoral and/or agricultural economies did evil because it had opened our eyes to the possibility of exponential growth. Frankly, I think that Australia had been torched by H. sapiens, perhaps to drive out potential preys for easy hunting motivated by greed or dire circumstances. Fire was an early exponential-growth phenomenon observed and eventually "controlled" by Homos.

The thing that had in fact supported the exponential growth was the usage and enhanced methods of extraction, processing, and distribution of fossil fuels. It's as if we had discovered a huge inheritance in our name. It's a great opportunity for us to build a sustainable future for all. We must not squander it by succumbing to our greed. Human desires know no bounds but everything is ultimately finite as God had it written in the Bible (itself a product of pastoral and/or agricultural economies so it jibes with the scholarly biblical researches dating the creation of the earth, NOT the planet Earth, to six-thousand years ago when two trees were PLANTED at the center of the Garden [a sedentary idea] of Eden) that there was a natural number for everything, much earlier than the invention of the trans-natural numbers and infinities.

Planting is an idea alien to an ancient hunter. I think that men have aggrandized ourselves in heroic stories such as our hunting mammoths. There are a lot more roots to dig, berries to pick, etc. than mammoths to hunt down by the ancient hunters. Recall the food pyramid from ecology. There are many more little mammals than murderous mammoths around. I would have tried to catch a mouse, a rat, or a rabbit rather than hunt a big mammoth risking my life. Besides, most of the mammoth meat would most likely be wasted even if the hunt had succeeded.

My family like the Bible had an oral folklore, myths, and history. There was indeed at least a grain of truth to all of them. However, due to the deaths of people, I cannot corroborate on all propositions but vaguely, I could perceive the consistency in the different accounts. It's a bit like the various books of the New Testament. I really think that Jesus of Nazareth was a real person and not made up as a deliberate fiction to deceive us. However, I am of the impression that certain attributed phrases were injected deliberately as a stumbling block to deflect the faithful ones from Salvation.

I don't even worship Jesus because idol worshiping is prohibited in the Ten Commandments. Why should I worship Mary then? Doesn't that make me break a Commandment? Doesn't every person have a mother? I have never experienced a counter-example in Homos. I don't expect other people to worship my Mom. I appreciate Jesus as much as I do the transistorized radio and shortwave/mediumwave multiband vacuum-tube radio which my Dad had brought home from overseas. He's the Way. He's the Word. He had "the drycell zinc batteries and the orange beams of electrons in partial vacuum."

In some versions of the Lord's Prayer, there is the phrase, "as we have forgiven those who trespassed against us." Before the Hebrews handed Jesus over to the Romans, they had accused and objected to Jesus for uttering to a woman that her sins were forgiven. I therefore presume that only God can forgive sins but Jesus could not have committed blasphemy as much as a transistorized radio had committed blasphemy.

Then there was also the phrase, "for yours is the glory, and the kingdom, and the power forever and ever" immediately following "and deliver us from the evil one." Are we referring to "the evil one" Satan's kingdom on earth here? There's sufficient ambiguity due to what had gone before the phrase. Salvation via "good work" is suspect. If it were so, the wealthy ones who can spend more to do more "good work" should crowd Heaven because they can buy the Indulgences. Heaven must be similar to an expensive-admission ballpark stadium where the winning teams' championship game is being played. Win! Win! Win!

"Anything goes with our Corrupt News Media today. They will do, or say, whatever it takes, with not even the slightest thought of consequence! These are true cowards and without doubt, THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE!"

Thread: the perpetual debt model
[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2310) from Fredericksburg, TX 4 days ago

Original Sin is the adoption of pastoral and/or agricultural economies that included the knowledge to do the evil we've done in the past 200 years. But they were still too primitive 10,000 years ago to "profoundly" affect the environment. You say shit like that because you're too contrary to accept anything anyone else says.

Thread: the perpetual debt model
[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 4 days ago

I doubt very much that "10,000 years ago we had an environmentally neutral and in every way sustainable [dominant] economy of hunting and gathering."

Both Australia and America bear strong evidence that the newly arrived species H. sapiens had profoundly affected their environment.

Exponential growth is indeed astonishing for both creation and destruction.

I think that you may be looking at the long-ago past through rose-colored glasses. Maybe a bit like me loving the memory of my "birthplace of the wooden gods" neighborhood. I was a survivor of living in that neighborhood so it certainly biased me. The good thing about starting at the bottom is that every perturbation is an improvement, as long as "the hope still lives." Do you see the mud or do you see the stars? The choice belongs to the beholder.

Thread: the perpetual debt model
[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2310) from Fredericksburg, TX 4 days ago

10,000 years ago we had an environmentally neutral and in every way sustainable [dominant] economy of hunting and gathering that had been functioning for 200,000 years or more. in 0.1% of that time, capitalism is approaching annihilation.

Thread: the perpetual debt model
[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 6 days ago

There's nothing wrong with "humble" forms of life. If you actually take an intense look at cockroaches, they are fascinating creatures, absolutely the easiest pets to keep. My Mom killed a number of the exotic pets which my Big Brother and I kept. She might have had a point of keeping him focused on education and me away from directing Operation Neighborhood Microvampires using the captured micro-submarines.

I vaguely recall that a cockroach was one of the first if not the first earthly organism to reach orbital space, absolutely a space-faring pioneer. According to Wikipedia, fruitflies were the first organisms in space though not orbital space in the 1940s on a V-2 rocket fired from White Sands Missile Range, my childhood memory of what I thought that I had read about space explorations might have been faulty. Being bigger than a fruitfly, a cockroach (Periplaneta americana of course, not the smaller and harder to be hooked up to instruments P. germanica, imported by my Dad in his luggage according to my Big Brother after his research; U.S.A! U.S.A! U.S.A!) in orbital space could have provided the prolonged monitoring of biological signals in the orbital flight environment. Perhaps the cockroach experiment was scrapped in the hurried pace of rushing to land a man on the Moon in the 1960s.

Of course, without amassing enough organisms on a certain level of complexity of the evolutionary-complexity hierarchy, we might lose out on knowing what the higher levels of complexity would be like. Hence, preserving a high quantity of life is important.

Without clean water, I as a preschooler might have died of cholera. My Big Brother was tied up fetching water and Mom boiling water every morning. Without electricity, we couldn't keep food around without spoiling for long so Mom was tied up shopping for fresh food once or twice a day and preparing meals every day. She worked less due to her lack of time doing the necessary chores. Without her working more though once we had gained refrigeration (one can argue that our so-called new [actually very old! but surprisingly collegiate for me] culture of eating leftovers refrigerated artificially or naturally was an empowering austerity measure,) we couldn't have accumulated the savings to splurge on the transcontinental flights to immigrate to New York City.

There are gates that must be opened with a proper key acquired enroute, most often assiduously but at times unconsciously or inadvertently. "Fate" favors the well-prepared ready ones. One can manufacture "Fate" to a certain extent. One also has to cast away now-obsolete traditions and customs which hinder acceleration towards one's manufactured "Fate." It's a bit like a difficult climb against gravity. One probably has to cast away much old "mass" to obey Newton's Second Law in order to maximize acceleration. Space rockets do it by shedding their used-up boosters; insects do it by shedding their exoskeletons; I did it by weaning myself from the cooled boiled water in the Johnny Walker whisky bottle, though not entirely of my own accord when I "gravity-bombed" our white porcelain kitchen sink upon the Periplaneta americana crawling fast up the whisky bottle I was holding and flying away when I dropped it atop the sink. We threw away our kitchen sink before taking our transcontinental flights.

Life has been quite an exhilarating and interesting voyage for me. I heard of the story of people flying in airplanes. I saw my Dad's postcard pictures of the big golden sculpture of Prometheus and the statue of Lady Liberty in New York. They are all true!

I didn't fall for having many different flavors of ice-cream for free although I appreciated Dad's effort to provide me with the opportunity to earn some money before I headed for college. I liked ice-cream but not toothache. I also savored eating gourmet chicken butts but definitely not the mere thought of them nauseating me for more than a decade. I wonder whether overloading on saturated fat might have caused my childhood strands of white hair. Connections are important but choosing well is more. Ten kinds of ice-cream (plain vanilla, plain chocolate, coffee-flavored, pink with strawberries, green mint-flavored with pistachio nuts, chocolate chips in vanilla, chocolate fudge in vanilla, jelly beans in vanilla, peanut butter in vanilla, and hazelnuts in vanilla) in unrestricted quantities were both tasty and enticing (Dad loved the green mint-flavored with pistachio nuts ice-cream the most) but in order to have time for other endeavors, restraining my childish desires was the Tao of moderation.

Mom though, being an education zealot, operated a matriarchal dictatorship upon our kiddie petkeeping pastimes which she took as our waste of time. She killed our pets by stomping upon my Big Brother's black "coffin" crickets and his golden-green wolf spiders to focus him on his studies and education, and dumping the micro-submarines which I had captured from an elderly neighbor's cistern for my Operation Neighborhood Microvampires in which a "good-morning, continental breakfast" Ohio-class submarine may spit おはよ/Aloha!

Our elderly neighbor was living alone by herself next to the bamboo forest which had a yellow patch of the most beautiful chrysanthemums that I had ever seen, shone by the morning sunbeams filtering through the bamboo-grass stalks from across the singing stream which flowed next to the well and the well's adjacent concrete-paved area { previously used for filling vessels with the bucket-fetched-up well water but largely unused due to the switching over to municipal water [as cholera had struck nearby] except for non-potable usages such as keeping watermelons cool, washing clothes and cleaning our front yard; we actually used another well even closer to our home for these non-potable usages rather than this secondary well close to the stream because water is heavy to carry and easy to spill } where I kept my two pet chickens (you might have already learnt how my hand-raised "Yellow" chicken and "Sesame" chicken had ended up after their fattening up inside of a large overturned weaved-vine basket; we are predators by Mom's design, even indirectly [through gifting] and unintentionally [through feasting.]) The beautiful combination is why autumn is my favorite season. It has the best weather for beautiful yellow mums, contrasting colored blue sky, ringing stream of mountain water, and crisp cool fresh air in the forest. I like my "birthplace of the wooden gods" neighborhood far better than the vast Siberia with its many trees, bears, (only the pitbull with his Transgender-lipstick on likes the boar hunt in the muck,) guns, and perhaps even a Siberian Tiger.

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