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you are clearly not looking for the truth - or maybe you just don't know where to look! first we have this - Definition of NEOCONSERVATIVE

1 : a former liberal espousing political conservatism

secondly an intelligent person listens to what someone has to say - what is correct and incorrect about what they say! not the md or phd after their name. as for data and research how about backing up some of your neocon assertions with some!

For starters, mandatory background checks on every single firearm transferred. No more cry baby excuses.

My point regarding corporations was their reckess, immoral, and irresponsible deindustrialization. The wake of destruction left behind literally fuels racism and violent crime.

My point regarding gun control is that our city streets have become flooded with guns. More fuel for the fire.

We need Federal laws preventing conservative run states and cities from undercutting others in order to transfer jobs, wealth, and vital revenue.

We need mandatory background checks and registrations on every single firearm transferred in order to reduce the flow of guns into city streets.

This would help to reduce racial tension and save lives.

Unfortunately, I don't know how the hell to transfer those jobs back to the formerly industrial areas they were stolen from. The consumers sure as hell won't do it. They don't give a flying fuck about deindustrialization as long as they get their material goodies. The government can't force them back. That would be going to far.

We really dug a hole this time.

Greed kills.

where do you read this nonsense? investment in schools is not a question? wow - and i imagine the american indian culture is responsible for their problems also - right? wow again - happy thanksgiving! here is diane ravitch - if you need more from her i can get it for you but this should be enough for any "educated" person - are you one? doesn't sound like it - neocon - or maybe old cracker con.

DIANE RAVITCH: Well, we have been, for at least the last decade and more, trapped in this standardized testing obsession. And we have the No Child Left Behind law, which George W. Bush sponsored, and it was overwhelmingly endorsed by Congress in 2001. And it has imposed on the schools utopian goals that, by the year 2014, 100 percent of children will be proficient. And if they’re not proficient, your principal will be fired, the teachers will be fired, the school will be closed, or it will be turned over to private management or turned into a charter school.

So, I can’t imagine what they were thinking, except that there was this idea that there had been a Texas miracle. That’s what George W. Bush ran on, was the Texas miracle. And we now know there was no Texas miracle. And yet we’re stuck with a law that no one has the wits to change, and it just stays there, crushing schools across the country with standardized testing. So we had, for example, President Obama in his State of the Union address this year said the most important way to win the future is to encourage innovation, creativity and imagination. We will never do that with the route that we’re taking now, with all of this emphasis on high-stakes testing and attacking teachers. And, you know, what’s going on across the country—budget cutting in state after state, increasing class sizes—this is all terrible for the future.

Thread: Black Reality and White Denial in America by tim wise
[-] 2 points by flip (7553) 46 minutes ago

ours is a corporate/business dominated society - always has been (read charles beard). the cops work for the power structure - so what is your point? and yes we have too many guns - assault weapons for hunting deer? but as mr moore has pointed out that does not explain why we use them to kill each other so much more than other gun owning societies. and once again - your point?

''A Sober Look at U.S. Democracy'', by Lawrence Davidson ...

That''ll be ''sober'' as in 'NOT drunk' - as u must be when u reply !!

multum in parvo ...

You ''hate the GOP'' .. in Arizona ?! Why you 'rebel' you !! I've always made a distinction between long suffering ; well intentioned but misguided and lied to and sold out - Dem Voters & the (s)elected Dem-Party-Pols-On-The Hill & The DNC machine - unlike you, who just identifies with them so fkn deeply !!!

Nevertheless - Happy Thanksgiving Factsy ;-)

That's a broad subject.

Please frame your question very precisely.

Hey DNCheadquarters. I'm just dying to know. How do you feel about gun control?

Hey turbocharger. I'm just dying to know. How do you feel about gun control?

Hey Shule. I'm just dying to know. How do you feel about gun control?

Hey spinoza34. I'm just dying to know. How do you feel about gun control?

Though I don't doubt that some cops sincerely 'protect and serve', I do question ''who'' they do this for, in the main AND who 'protects' them !!! Of course we look to call the PD - IF we are ''r, b or r'' but that does NOT give them carte blanche !! I think the PD ought to be better paid, better trained & more accountable & that they should be screened for hate-filled, right-wing, wannabe-military types ! Happy 'TG'. Also fyi :

fiat lux ; fiat justitia ; fiat pax ...

Hey flip. I'm just dying to know. How do you feel about gun control?

I challenge you to explain how we have managed as a nation over the last 30 years to gradually reverse most of the fantastic progress we made in race relations after the second world war.

I'll give you a clue. It has less to do with cops and more to do with corporations.

A Living Wage would make a big difference to quality of life ! "The people in the inner city aren't going to college so don't have student debt." - is a bit of an exaggeration I suspect !! Debt servitude - one way or another, is Not anyone's ambition in life but so many people's lived experience and we should feel much more outraged by proven : avaricious ; larcenous ; psychopathic ; scumbag Wall Street Banksters than a few 'extreme shoppers' taking advantage of relative chaos temporarily at Thanksgiving .. because they have fck all to 'give thanks' for most of the time !!! Happy 'TG' and solidarity & fyi :

ad iudicium ...

don't we all love a mainstream educated cracker here at ows. no it is not about culture - is is about poverty. so how about putting up some evidence for your racist opinions - and remember i have smarter people crunching numbers and writing blogs that i can lean on. better read diane ravitch before you pitch me many softballs.

hey white boy - you need to do some reading - first about class then about race. my family is separate and non religious and doing just fine - it has to do with money.i come from a white upper middle class background and that is the difference. anyone who can read should know that. the is about white power and privilege - google this woman and educate yourself.

"Rosa Rivera-McCutchen participated in a panel discussion about the Common Core and testing at Public Education on October 11 at the Brooklyn New School. She gave a powerful presentation about race, power, and privilege." - while you are at it look up tim wise - you really need to widen your reading if you want to hang here at ows. here is a bit from timmy! -

"“And most of all, the reflex to deny that there is anything racial about the lens through which we typically view law enforcement; to deny that being white has shaped our understanding of policing and their actions in places like Ferguson, even as being white has had everything to do with those matters. Racial identity shapes the way we are treated by cops, and as such, shapes the way we are likely to view them. As a general rule, nothing we do will get us shot by law enforcement: not walking around in a big box store with semi-automatic weapons (though standing in one with an air rifle gets you killed if you’re black); not assaulting two officers, even in the St. Louis area, a mere five days after Mike Brown was killed; not pointing a loaded weapon at three officers and demanding that they—the police—”drop their fucking guns;” not committing mass murder in a movie theatre before finally being taken alive; not proceeding in the wake of that event to walk around the same town in which it happened carrying a shotgun; and not killing a cop so as to spark a “revolution,” and then leading others on a two month chase through the woods before being arrested with only a few scratches.

To white America, in the main, police are the folks who help get our cats out of the tree, or who take us on ride-arounds to show us how gosh-darned exciting it is to be a cop. We experience police most often as helpful, as protectors of our lives and property. But that is not the black experience by and large; and black people know this, however much we don’t. The history of law enforcement in America, with regard to black folks, has been one of unremitting oppression. That is neither hyperbole nor opinion, but incontrovertible fact. From slave patrols to overseers to the Black Codes to lynching, it is a fact. From dozens of white-on-black riots that marked the first half of the twentieth century (in which cops participated actively) to Watts to Rodney King to Abner Louima to Amadou Diallo to the railroading of the Central Park 5, it is a fact. From the New Orleans Police Department’s killings of Adolph Archie to Henry Glover to the Danziger Bridge shootings there in the wake of Katrina to stop-and-frisk in places like New York, it’s a fact. And the fact that white people don’t know this history, have never been required to learn it, and can be considered even remotely informed citizens withoutknowing it, explains a lot about what’s wrong with America. Black people have to learn everything about white people just to stay alive. They especially and quite obviously have to know what scares us, what triggers the reptilian part of our brains and convinces us that they intend to do us harm. Meanwhile, we need know nothing whatsoever about them. We don’t have to know their history, their experiences, their hopes and dreams, or their fears. And we can go right on being oblivious to all that without consequence. It won’t be on the test, so to speak.

We can remain ignorant to the ubiquity of police misconduct, thinking it the paranoid fever dream of irrational “race-card” playing peoples of color, just like we did after the O.J. Simpson verdict. When most of black America responded to that verdict with cathartic relief—not because they necessarily thought Simpson innocent but because they felt there were enough questions raised about police in the case to sow reasonable doubt—most white folks concluded that black America had lost its collective mind. How could theypossibly believe that the LAPD would plant evidence in an attempt to frame or sweeten the case against a criminal defendant? A few years later, had we been paying attention (but of course, we were not), we would have had our answer. It was then that the scandal in the city’s Ramparts division broke, implicating dozens of police in over a hundred cases of misconduct, including, in one incident, shooting a gang member at point blank range and then planting a weapon on him to make the incident appear as self-defense. So putting aside the guilt or innocence of O.J,, clearly it was not irrational for black Angelenos (and Americans) to give one the likes of Mark Fuhrman side-eye after his own racism was revealed in that case.

I think this, more than anything, is the source of our trouble when it comes to racial division in this country. The inability of white people to hear black reality—to not even know that there is one and that it differs from our own—makes it nearly impossible to move forward. But how can we expect black folks to trust law enforcement or to view it in the same heroic and selfless terms that so many of us apparently do? The law has been a weapon usedagainst black bodies, not a shield intended to defend them, and for a very long time.

In his contribution to Jill Nelson’s 2000 anthology on police brutality, scholar Robin D.G Kelley reminds us of the bill of particulars.* As Kelley notes, in colonial Virginia, slave owners were allowed to beat, burn, and even mutilate slaves without fear of punishment; and throughout the colonial period, police not only looked the other way at the commission of brutality against black folks, but were actively engaged in the forcible suppression of slave uprisings and insurrections. Later, after abolition, law enforcement regularly and repeatedly released black prisoners into the hands of lynch mobs and stood by as their bodies were hanged from trees, burned with blowtorches, body parts amputated and given out as souvenirs. In city after city, north and south, police either stood by or actively participated in pogroms against African American communities: in Wilmington, North Carolina, Atlanta, New Orleans, New York City, Akron and Birmingham, just to name a few. In one particularly egregious anti-black rampage in East St. Louis, Illinois, in 1917, police shot blacks dead in the street as part of an orgy of violence aimed at African Americans who had moved from the Deep South in search of jobs. One hundred and fifty were killed, including thirty-nine children whose skulls were crushed and whose bodies were thrown into bonfires set by white mobs. In the 1920s, it is estimated that half of all black people who were killed by whites, were killed by white police officers.

But Kelley continues: In 1943 white police in Detroit joined with others of their racial compatriots, attacking blacks who had dared to move into previously all-white public housing, killing seventeen. In the 1960s and early ’70s police killed over two dozen members of the Black Panther Party, including those like Mark Clark and Fred Hampton in Chicago, asleep in their beds at the time their apartment was raided. In 1985, Philadelphia law enforcement perpetrated an all-out assault on members of the MOVE organization, bombing their row houses from state police helicopters, killing eleven, including five children, destroying sixty-one homes and leaving hundreds homeless

Check out the headliner on http://america.aljazeera.com/ (before it goes down.) Under a picture of flaming Ferguson, the head liner says " Analysis: Think riots have never caused change in America? Think again."

Thread: Hi, Kids. So, does Occupy Have Its Own Official Drone?
[-] 1 points by Shule (2232) 10 hours ago

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People who are looking for the truth focus on data and research, altruism has nothing to do with it.

Don't believe this crap about the rich paying the bulk of taxes and the poor paying none. It's a trick. A spin on statistics to make it seem as if the rich are overtaxed. They aren't. But they damn well should be. We're in this mess because of them.

Absolutely = The Rich Telling The Middle Class To Blame The Poor

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