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Thread: A Dismal State of Readiness.
[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1405) 1 hour ago

Because clearly when an out of the blue attack on the US happens, the guy who gets the news would simply just sit there like a deer in the headlights for minutes on end afterwards.

I would suggest some very strong drinks after reading all of those links to bring people into a better state of reality lol :)

The drama continues... They hate us for our freedums...

Thread: On The Great Plains
[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1405) 1 hour ago

If the people understood it, they would be complaining as well.

Imo inflation is not good, deflation is not good either. Letting the people know that their money isnt getting fucked with is probably the most reassuring.

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/

Thread: A Dismal State of Readiness.
[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1405) 1 hour ago

Show me the video of that giant 747 flying into the Pentagon, the most heavily surveyed building on the planet?

No video? Hmmmm....

Thread: A Dismal State of Readiness.
[-] 1 points by StillModestCapitalist (428) 1 hour ago

If you want me to consider a time frame of 50 years, then you must first acknowledge that many of those responsible for what took place over that time frame are dead and buried.

My neighbors pissed me off a few years ago. I'm not going to blame their kids for it.

What would you have done?

Thread: A Dismal State of Readiness.
[-] 1 points by StillModestCapitalist (428) 2 hours ago

So if a half dozen thugs wearing masks working together break into your home, tie you up, and rape your daughter, leaving behind finger prints and DNA, you would be willing to negotiate with the group and let 5 of them go free to rape some more little girls in return for allowing them to examine the evidence?

If you were in charge on 911, what would you have done?

Thread: A Dismal State of Readiness.
[-] 2 points by flip (7028) 2 hours ago

I agree that we had been provoking the world for many years by sticking our noses and our military bases where they didn't belong. - can you give me a ball park figure as to how many people we have killed over the last 50 years with our nose?? it would seem that when you come up with a number it would make this statement obvious nonsense - but what was done on 911 had been done. The war in Afghanistan, corrupt as it may have been, was a necessary one. -

Thread: A Dismal State of Readiness.
[-] 1 points by StillModestCapitalist (428) 2 hours ago

I agree that we had been provoking the world for many years by sticking our noses and our military bases where they didn't belong. Also that we had literally created the conditions for terrorism to flourish by hogging and squandering natural resources. Not to mention the INCREDIBLY STUPID decisions that were made over a number of years regarding a number of borders in the Middle East. Still, on 911, what was done had been done. We could not just stand by and allow those responsible for executing thousands of our civilians to go unchecked. Otherwise, they would have organized another major attack and another and another and another.

You will never catch me uttering that "America is innocent' crap. Like many of you, I know better. But if your neighbors run over your garbage can and their dog kills your cat, you don't go over there and slit their 8 year old daughter's throat. You take it up with the owners and the dog. If you slit the little girl's throat just because she fed the dog, then you are a terrorist and you must be thrown in jail for life or put down.

Over 3000 of our civilians, many of whom were every bit as decent as any of us regardless of how stupid they may have been as Americans were tortured and killed on that day. The rescue workers were crushed under thousands of tons of rubble. Their family members were left to suffer in misery and with voids that can never be filled. An entire country was left riddled with anger and fear.

There was no chance for peace between us and them.

We're all stuck on the same giant rock. If it were up to me, I would scrap every border in the world and share resources under a one-world government. I would be happy to make the necessary sacrifices. That's how little this God damn rate-race means to me. But we're not there and the human race in general isn't advanced enough to get there. I doubt we ever will.

But what was done on 911 had been done. The war in Afghanistan, corrupt as it may have been, was a necessary one.

Not Iraq. That's a different story entirely.

I want some young neighbors...I want to see you fixing up your house ...gardening...kids playing in the yard. The boomers are busily building row house condos that look like giant sheds on the sides of the highway almost 300k ( no joke on top of a landfill or worse some Cordovan properties overpriced with shitty carpeting)1500-2000 a month for you. But I want to get you in I want you to have some loopholes...a way in to something satisfying...something that is not a scam ! I got lucky...I jumped through so much crazy insane tape to have something I can call my own. It feels good..but....I want you to have it too only I know how hard it is. No more renting...no more being relegated to mass produced overpriced condos or apartments. That is not the American Dream!!!

I care what is happening now- the hording...the greed and wealth gap that is generational. I live in a lower income suburb...I walk my dog around and there are no children(not like when I was a kid) like no kids playing no neighborhood hide and seek no sounds of laughing or playful yelling. It is eerie ...there are really expensive vehicles in the driveways...paid landscapers manicure every lot...the people are home all day ( retired). All boomers....almost all. It is like some ghost town. Pretty old houses that could desperately use a lot of sprucing up...you'd expect to see young couples working on them painting up... and kids and dogs. Nope they are in there watching their flat screens all day. Small dogs who scarcely get walked yip out from the windows. Out of shape older people in track suits waddle out to their $ 50,000 cars. Probably headed off to the mall. While I have nothing against older people what I see is that younger generations have been segregated. Even so called lower income boomer houses are worth triple the beat up forclosures we can buy and in the cheapest place you can live their paper value is too high for younger gen incomes to afford... when we try to buy the cheapest properties some boomer old landlord steps in and outbids with a cash offering. They won't let us have any of it...not one inch...we can't get in even into the lower class areas. True story I bid on a house which was missing any walls inside and needed new everything. Excite because best I could afford. A decrepit old piece of shit scumbag pulled up in a brand new Corvette with a twenty something drugged out whore on his arm. He scared me and the realtor coming in no appt walking around like he was the owner. He said " I could rent this out real easy" ...he looked at me and my husband and said "nice and cozy my tennants could move right in." He said he would buy it outright with cash. Fha was a 300 page nightmare process anyway and because of peeling paint no less wouldn't approve our loan. With all the delays ...investor was able to bid. True story! Probably some drugee section 8 living in it now with state paying that landlord 1500 a month bringing down the neighborhood.

Thread: A Dismal State of Readiness.
[-] 1 points by StillModestCapitalist (428) 2 hours ago

I was hoping to avoid the 'our government did it' angle. Sorry Shadz, we agree more often than not and I have no problem acknowledging the possibility that WT7 was dropped in order to protect or destroy some type of sensitive information. I also have no problem admitting that some wars, like Iraq and Vietnam have been waged for financial reasons and that virtually ALL war efforts are corrupted by private (corporate) interests but that's as far as I will go in that particular direction.

In case you haven't noticed, I rule out no level of evil or deceit when big money is involved. None whatsoever. But I just can't imagine how 911 could have been an inside job. It would have taken the cooperation of key players from both major political parties along with dozens of individuals at the very least all working together from different locations in absolute secrecy. Every last one of them would have had to perform flawlessly in order to avoid leaving a trail of evidence. Not to mention being able to convince those pilots to make the ultimate sacrifice.

Sorry, like I said, we agree plenty but not this time.

Thread: A Dismal State of Readiness.
[-] 2 points by flip (7028) 3 hours ago

you do realize that the taliban offered to turn bin laden over if we showed them the evidence - you know that right? and wow - even for a modest capitalist - thinking that war was justified is showing a very poor understanding of the situation. very disturbing

Thread: On The Great Plains
[-] 1 points by flip (7028) 3 hours ago

i agree and i think we agree mostly on money and it uses and misuse. somehow every time i watch max he is using phrases that make me think of money masters crap so i never get too far into any show. i will assume you are right about him - and for qoutes how about this one - not only is our money system rigged so is the political system and it was designed to be that way by madison! "The man who is possessed of wealth, who lolls on his sofa, or rolls in his carriage, cannot judge of the wants or feelings of the day laborer. The government we mean to erect is intended to last for ages. The landed interest, at present, is prevalent; but in process of time, when we approximate to the states and kingdoms of Europe; when the number of landholders shall be comparatively small, through the various means of trade and manufactures, will not the landed interest be overbalanced in future elections, and unless wisely provided against, what will become of your government? In England, at this day, if elections were open to all classes of people, the property of the landed proprietors would be insecure. An agrarian law would soon take place. If these observations be jsut, our government ought to secure the permanent interests of the country against innovation. Landholders ought to have a share in the government, to support these invaluable interests, and to balance and check the other. They ought to be so constituted as to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority. The senate, therefore, ought to be this body; and to answer these purposes, they ought to have permanency and stability. Various have been the propositions; but my opinion is, the longer they continue in office, the better will these views be answered.

Thread: On The Great Plains
[-] 1 points by flip (7028) 3 hours ago

i understand your point but sound money is not the answer. i think it is pretty uncontroversial that inflation redistributes wealth which is why the rich hate it - ragan and volker are heros for ridding the country of inflation by driving it into a huge recession! think about the way you house goes up and your mortgage goes down during periods of inflation. now when wages do not keep up with inflation that is a problem but those are political problems - sometimes caused by "worker insecurity" as the great alan greenspan said. that was the result of the breaking of the unions and the power of the working class - political problems. stable currency will not stop the "masters of mankind" from stepping on us and helping themselves. it is a bit of a mixed bag but seem pretty obvious what the story is when you look to see who is screaming about inflation - our rulers - the banks and the bond holders and their paid politicians like alan simpson!

Thread: A Dismal State of Readiness.
[-] 5 points by ShadzSixtySix (1250) 5 hours ago

Afghanistan is the world's primary producer of heroin and it accounts for 80%+ of global production. This massively lucrative trade is helping to destabilse not just Afghanistan & Pakistan - but also Iran, Russia, Western China, Northern India & other places too. I believe that the funds generated are also being used to bankroll Right Wing, Extreme Islamist and other (Uighur, Kashmir ?) insurgencies too. I do also think that UNOCAL's pipeline for Central Asian hydro-carbons still remains a strategic ambition for The U$A & it is difficult to believe that intelligence agencies are not involved in this nefarious trade. Re. Afghanistan, please see this comment and subsequent thread :

e tenebris, lux ...

Thread: A Dismal State of Readiness.
[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (21343) 5 hours ago

I would change your words to "Because of the U.S. and the West. There was no chance for peace between us and them. They wanted us to leave them alone and we had already proven how far we were willing to go to suppress and control them and how capable we were to make it happen. We killed hundreds of thousands of them over a period of years......"

Thread: A Dismal State of Readiness.
[-] 7 points by ShadzSixtySix (1250) 5 hours ago

Someone ''dropped'' THREE ''skyscrapers, fortunately straight down instead of right over, onto a city densely populated with civilians'' that's for sure & btw if fire 'drops' buildings then building regs.are b-s !!

As to who the ''they'' were and where ''they'' were from and how ''they'' did it ... well, there is 'The Official 9/!! Comm. Report' Conspiracy Theory (which TOTALLY ignores WTC-7) & then there are other 'theories' about the 'conspiracy' that resulted in the events of that fateful day in September, 2001, which still echo.

IF you have an open mind and heart, I recommend a pitcher of iced non-alcoholic drink, some quite time and the following :

IF any of the contents and implications of the above are new to you SMC ... then be calm and take your time but ''hold onto your hat Dorothy 'cause Kansas is going bye-bye'' !!!

fiat lux ...

Thread: A Dismal State of Readiness.
[-] 1 points by StillModestCapitalist (428) 8 hours ago

The individuals involved were recruited and the attacks well organized. The central planning operation was in Afghanistan.

If you disagree, that is, if you feel Bin Laden was framed, then who framed him?

Thread: Why you don't build cooperatives?
[-] 2 points by gonzo1 (60) 12 hours ago

Thanks for the nice words. The question is how can we find more people like us that actually want to do something. I would like to help you with NY issues but I live very far from NY - in fact, I live in Europe. First of all, I noticed that there is no real communication between activists. There are extremely few forums for activists and this is one of them (or maybe the only one). I noticed that none of the charities that claim they want to save the world have forums, so I started such a forum: http://gamf.freeforums.org - not because I like to manage a forum, but because I had to do it. In order to start cooperatives we should start with very basic things, like agriculture. We can even make a Kickstarter campaign for starting a small cooperative farm, even with one hectare - that won't cost much. Sadly, a real, functional communism was never tried. Until now, the people only put criminals in power who call themselves communists. Communism has to be build by the people, it must be build from the grassroots. Someone should start a small cooperative one day and try to expand it with the aim to create a functional society. If we can't start a cooperative now, at least we can talk about how to do it, at least we can build ideas and plans. In time, we will eventually find more people who want to join and one day we'll start it. I am ready to communicate here or anywhere else, the most important thing is to find others like us. There are many other like us in this world but they can't find us because we have a lot to learn about how to reach each others. No ideology will save us, only our actions might save us. We need to take the best from both worlds - (communism) cooperatives should replace big corporations and in the same time (capitalism) to have a free market, competitive prices, insurances and lots of other safety nets.

Thread: A Dismal State of Readiness.
[-] 1 points by grapes (3261) 12 hours ago

Strategically, China should negotiate with Russia to buy Lake Baikal and the surrounding watershed areas with a land bridge to northern China. Fresh water will be needed in northern China in the coming decades with global warming exacerbating droughts. Russia is being squeezed by sanctions due to its joyride in Ukraine so it can certainly use some foreign exchange for placating its internal constituents hurt by falling crude prices and sanctions. China knows how to drive a hard bargain.

Thread: A Dismal State of Readiness.
[-] 4 points by trashyharry (2726) from Waterville, NY 14 hours ago

Your opinion-everybody's got one.If you think the 9/11 attacks came from there,newsflash-they were all from Saudi&Egypt&Yemen.The Talibs offered to extradite Osama if evidence could be produced that he had committed a crime.No evidence was produced.Would they have done that if they were involved?

Thread: Lennon: Society is Run by Insane People
[-] 2 points by trashyharry (2726) from Waterville, NY 14 hours ago

It does matter.My best paintings cannot be sold at this time.I do small paintings I call "Crash Art" that I sell for $10-that's about all people have got for something you can't eat.I've got a system.The paintings are nice.I can do lots of them.My personal predicament started when the economy collapsed-before that I had a decent income.I fell on my face right out the gate anyhow.That's not the point.What about all of these young people? What about the compounding misery of the Poors and their kids? What about millions of worker's lives wasting in unemployment? The Fate of them matters a great deal.I consider myself to be a person who started with less than half a chance.What bothers me is the people who have NO chance.There are FAR too many of them now-99% of us,very soon.Believe me-many,many people have it way worse than me.If the best I could do turned out to be Not Good Enough.at least I have tried.

Thread: Lennon: Society is Run by Insane People
[-] 2 points by IndigoRed (83) 15 hours ago

In the end what does it matter anyway? It's how we choose to live our lives and what imprint we wish to leave. Still, that sucks that you're in poor health and in poverty. Maybe auction some of your art?

Thread: A Dismal State of Readiness.
[-] -2 points by StillModestCapitalist (428) 16 hours ago

I'm not denying the corruption you refer to. Still, I feel the war in Afghanistan, unlike the war in Iraq was necessary.

Thread: A Dismal State of Readiness.
[-] 1 points by StillModestCapitalist (428) 16 hours ago

Because of Al Qaeda and the Taliban. There was no chance for peace between us and them. They wanted us dead and they had already proven how far they were willing to go and how capable they were to make it happen. They killed over 3000 of us in a single day. They dropped two skyscrapers, fortunately straight down instead of right over, onto a city densely populated with civilians. They compromised the heart of our military intelligence on the same day. They riddled our country with anger and fear. They declared war on us. They were based in Afghanistan.

I don't want to get into the underlying causes of terrorism right now. If any of you would like to, then be my guest. I'm pretty sure that we will find some common ground. It's a VERY deep rooted issue as I'm sure a few of you know.

I've been against torture and those ridiculous humiliation tactics from day one. Not only because we signed a treaty but because we likely created a hell of a lot more terrorists than we tortured and humiliated. I've also been for full prosecution of those responsible for war crimes regardless of the circumstances.

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