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Posted 12 years ago on Feb. 3, 2012, 7:34 p.m. EST by zoom6000 (430) from St Petersburg, FL
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if Israel attcected Iran than Iran will retaliate so US have to go to war with Iran

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[-] 2 points by Chugwunka (89) from Willows, CA 12 years ago

There must be some Christians on this site and in the movement. Do all of you believe in sacrificing the lives of your children for Israel ?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 12 years ago

How many have we lost for oil, so far?

It's not about Israel, it's about oil.

[-] 1 points by zoom6000 (430) from St Petersburg, FL 12 years ago

Both

[-] 1 points by Chugwunka (89) from Willows, CA 12 years ago

Nope. Many Christians would agree with Betsy Ross. Wake up.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 12 years ago

The natural state of man kind is pacifism.

That's not about religion, it's about humans.

We haven't been in a natural state since WW II.

This is still about oil.

[-] 0 points by Chugwunka (89) from Willows, CA 12 years ago

Whatever. And pacifism is never a natural state. Your ignorance is astounding.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 12 years ago

You just don't read enough.

War gets all the press.

Plutocrats make war, and they demand it be written about

Your ignorance, is ignorant

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 12 years ago

No,I don't think this is only about oil, it is also about our corrupt relationship with Israel that goes beyond oil....even I know enough not to talk about that as we aren't there yet. In any event, Israel does seem to have some type of strangle-hold over us, and they have went from being our bidder to vice versa seemingly, somewhere along the way. For now I am happy that we can have an honest discussion although still perhaps not as wide in parameters that it could be. This has been something that has usually been quelled on this subject in the past. It is very refreshing and a good start.

[-] 2 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 12 years ago

The USA now has 25,000 marines in Darwin Australia ready to attack Iran, it will be 100,000 by the end of the year.

Darwin, Australia was used in WWII as the beach-head to lead that war and the vietnam war,...

Read www.debka.com for real information on when Israel will bomb.

The USA is only doing this to start a war with China, so they can NULL&VOID the $2trillion debt, as now they owe china more than they're worth in Real money.

IF the chinese were to put their t-bills on the market tomorrow the US economy would collapse. Thus the US wants to default, and the way you default is war, and once the US/Israel bombs IRAN WWIII starts and then the US can null&void its debt.

[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 12 years ago

one man shouldnt ahve the authority to send military troops into any nation without express consent of the people. a wrongful tactic like changing "voluntary taxes" in our constitution to mandatory without even asking we the people.

[-] 1 points by zoom6000 (430) from St Petersburg, FL 12 years ago

This is very true,our dollers not backed by gold is backed by power

[-] 1 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 12 years ago

The US can default far more simply: refuse to raise its debt ceiling. It doesn't need a war on China to to do it.

The saber-rattling (the troop deployment is against Iran, not China) is frightening and apparently real. The motivations are at best murky or outright wrong. But the assertion that the motivation for war is as a means of national default is nothing less than bizarre tin foil hat nonsense. As I said, if the US wished to default, it could do so by simply not paying its bills. No conspiracy necessary.

[-] -2 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 12 years ago

Thrassy's

1.) tin-foil hat 2.) conspiracy

CUT&PASTE the same old shit, does it ever get boring?

The USA cannot simply 'NOT pay', it would cause its credit-rating to go to 'FFF', thus it needs to legitimize the theft from China. There you go with that word 'default' the USA cannot by definition 'default' on a T-Bond, as its the highest rated 'legal-tender' in the US treasury, higher than the US-Dollar ( federal reserve note ).

Just like Gulf of Tonkin, you create a stupid incident to engage in war and then by war powers you can null&void the debt, well unless you lose the war. :)

I don't expect you to understand this or your BOT, your not a US citizen and don't have a clue about our country.

The USA simply cannot DEFAULT on US Treasury Bonds, that's why the Chinese invested in T-BILL's, and T-BOND's, they're sitting on $2 Trillion US dollars worth and if they dumped them tomorrow given there is no buyers other than the Federal Reserve the entire USA economy would collapse, this simply thought scare's the living shit out of the entire USA financial world.

The USA has a problem, IRAN, IRAQ, LIBYA, Venezuela, ... all want GOLD for their OIL, not USA dollars, the US in recent years has stolen these country's to secure their oil, and put in puppet governments that will continue to accept US Dollars which the Federal Reserve can print for free.

The flow of FREE OIL, is the #1 reason for invading Iran, of course that OIL also is seen as essential to China, ... thus they'll not accept this grab, ... which will lead to WWIII, this is why the US Marines will have 100,000 men in Darwin by the end of the year to fight WWIII,

But don't worry your little BOT bytes about this thrassy, cuz no service on earth will draft you or want you,

[-] 2 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 12 years ago

Yup, tin foil hat time. The US invaded Iraq to force it collect payment in dollars. It was the US that deposed the Shah for the same reason, to install a more pliant Ayalotta instead.. We stole Venezuela and put Chavez in charge, the same Chavez that hates us.

You are insane. You need medical help.

[-] -2 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 12 years ago

WOW, why are you here? Your like the BIGGEST apologist for the USA Kleptocrat Banker System on this board. Your not an anarchist, your NOT a liberal, your like some fucking BOT programmed to preach Rush Limbaugh 24-7 (AIPAC WHORE).

The USA put the Shah in power, to fuck his own people, but he was driven out, and the USA (Israel) has gone nuts ever since.

Chavez has stood up to USA aggression. Chavez has done great stuff for his people, the USA cannot accept happiness so close to the HELL they have created.

[-] 2 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 12 years ago

My objecting to your idiocy and delusion is not the same as being an apologist for the system. One can be against psychological cripples AND assholes at the same time.

[-] -2 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 12 years ago

One can be a complete idiot and know that nobody but thrassy is obsessed with psychological terminology.

[-] 2 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 12 years ago

There you go again. You are as totally off the mark about a Thrassy conspiracy as you are about everything else. I am not him. It doesn't take a Thrassy to see just how insane you really are. It's obvious to most everyone.

[-] -1 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 12 years ago

You are thrassy, because you say the exact same things as him, 99% of the time, that's the one thing about thrasmaque he has 1,000's of monikers here, but they all same the same thing.

Conspiracy, tin-foil hat, Paulist, ...

[-] 1 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 12 years ago

Hahahahaha.

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[-] 1 points by zoom6000 (430) from St Petersburg, FL 12 years ago

imagine if saudi arabia wants to deal with euros currancy instead of week doller

[-] 0 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 12 years ago

The USA forces everyone in the world to trade commodity's in US-DOLLAR's, it why they put OBAMA in power, cuz he's from Chicago, which Runs' the COMEX, and they by putting OBAMA in power in these times they needed a black-face to justify foreign wars, e.g. sending people of color to die in oil wars.

In every recent war it was over dollar-oil, Saddam wanted Euros and got bomb, Gaddafi wanted Gold like Chavez and got assassinated by the USA.

The world wants to neuter the COMEX and force commodity's ( rice, oil, wood, pigs, ... wheat,. gold ... ) to be traded in something other than dollars, buy anybody that ever gets close to competing with COMEX is killed or their country is destroyed by the USA.

Funny how 99% of the folks here defend the USA and their way of doing business and their OREO(obama)

[-] 2 points by zoom6000 (430) from St Petersburg, FL 12 years ago

Elelction time coming soon,I canot belive there is no leader out of 300 million people to represent us,or is he not born yet? in regard obama althought not complish much in the last 2 years or less,he is good souce of exposed the corruption of the system which I give him credit for

[-] 0 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 12 years ago

If Obama can teach you to spell then I think he's probably not just piece of shit, on the other hand you can't spell and thus Obama is a sack of shit.

Under his leadership, anybody that speaks out about government abuse goes to prison, yep he's done a ton of good shit beyond keeping GITMO open.

[-] 2 points by zoom6000 (430) from St Petersburg, FL 12 years ago

I will vote for him so go F@## your self I respect you at first., . until you show you true color simply because he is BLACK

[-] 0 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 12 years ago

Jesse Jackson and virtually every black leader in the USA during the Obama election pointed out that "Obama Ain't Black".

Obama was raised by a white Jewish granny in Hawaii. Only post college did Obama ever meet 'black people', when he came to Chicago he met Reverend Wright ( A black leader of the biggest black church in Chicago ) and befriended him for 20 years, after Obama won the Democratic Nomination, he told Wright to go fuck off.

Dimon & Corzine the two biggest crooks at Government-Sachs ( goldman-sachs ) paid for and put Obama in the office. Just a few weeks ago Corzine stole 3 Billion dollars from US farmers, and guess what? He'll never go to jail, because he is a friend of Obama.

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[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 12 years ago

They already deal in every world currency.

[-] 1 points by zoom6000 (430) from St Petersburg, FL 12 years ago

do you have any proof?The US will bomb them to the stone age

[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 12 years ago

i got no reason to defend some jews whose ancestors not only killed christ, the decendants reject him to this day, and christians think Israel is still holy land or the people there are chosen? they should read it again. "The everlasting hills mentioned in jeremiah at the ends of the earth wasnt anywhere near Israel". It was in america. America WAS the blessed land but we are fast losing it because our government has killed hundreds of thousands of gods children in other lands, without his permission. I warned our President not to enter these wars, and sent him the lords preamble to war, knowing that the results would have dire consequences, now everything is playing out as it was foretold. But who has faith in the earth today? Not many, I guess.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 12 years ago

Israel's right is crazier than ours.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 12 years ago

And if the US attacks Iran, Iran's allies, Russia and China will attack the US, with nuclear weapons.

[-] 0 points by zoom6000 (430) from St Petersburg, FL 12 years ago

No i don`t think Russia or China will ever attack US those counties only go to war for self defence

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 12 years ago

If you don't think so, please watch this video:

China Threatens World War Three If Anyone Attacks Iran 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-3xeP7NFRE&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL12202C700DBA6ECE

At minute 2:14 general Zhen Zhaozhong says (read the subtitles):

"China will not hesitate to protect Iran even with a third World War."

From what I've heard, the purpose behind this war is not just oil, but rather global depopulation. The western oligarchs will keep up with further wars either until China and Russia submit to being colonies, or a nuclear war is triggered reducing global population.

Movements such as OWS and the progress of Asia are so threatening to the oligarchs that they want to hide in their bunkers during a global nuclear war, get rid of us pesky varmints, and come out to reclaim the earth once its all over.

[-] 1 points by nichole (525) 12 years ago

You're barely literate. U.S. has interests in Israeli domination, it's not a one-way street. No simple scapegoats here.

[-] 1 points by zoom6000 (430) from St Petersburg, FL 12 years ago

Are you sure this massage for me ?however I agree on domination and thank god I made it barely literate

[-] 1 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 12 years ago

Where is laralittletree when you need her?

[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 12 years ago

i dont defend israel, they arent gods chosen people, doesnt anyone ever read the bible?

[-] 1 points by zoom6000 (430) from St Petersburg, FL 12 years ago

I do not need to read the bible to know what is right and what is wrong.,you read it

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[-] 1 points by Odin (583) 12 years ago

Wow non-Jews can now criticize Israeli policy without being labeled anti-semitic or bigoted? That's refreshing, if so. When did this happen, or has it? Can Jews criticize Israel now without being told they hate themselves? Can polititians from east of the Mississipi get elected without giving their cart blanche support to Israel? Are Jeff Goldberg from the Atlantic and Thomas Friedman from the NY Times now on Irael's s..t list for criticizing Israeli policy, and for the choke-hold that Israel has on American politicians? Has AIPAC imploded? Has the parameter of the discussion become as wide in this country as it is in Israel?

I wonder if people will now have a better understanding on how the Palestinians are forced to live in squalid conditions inside the refugee camps, and how this fact reverberates around the Arab world. Will the US now be a fair arbiter in this conflict, and get the Israeli's to quit building settlements on the West Bank? Just wondering.

[-] 1 points by Zwingli (1) 12 years ago

US Marines have been moved to the Iranian/Afghan border. http://kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2012/02/01/15737.shtml

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[-] 0 points by Scout (729) 12 years ago

I actually believe Ayatollah Ali Khamenei that Israel is a cancer on society. ask yourself why did so many world leaders hate this nation so intensely? not only Palestine, Syria and Lebanon but also Hitler, North Korean government, Cuba, Venezuela etc

[-] 0 points by skylar (-441) 12 years ago

they don't like israel because isreal is a success story.

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[-] 0 points by HarryPairatestes2 (380) from Barrow, AK 12 years ago

not only Palestine, Syria and Lebanon but also Hitler, North Korean government, Cuba, Venezuela etc"

Those are the people and governments you look up to and follow?

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[-] 1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 12 years ago

"I believe Jesus and Mohammad were pacifists"

You don't know anything about either one of them obviously.

[-] 0 points by TomTommorow (78) from Hardyston, NJ 12 years ago

So knows the real spirit of Jesus more than you ever will.

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 12 years ago

Indeed He does. More than you and I and everyone else on this planet, which includes OWS.

And Jesus pretty much declared how things will end on this planet. Have you read His work?

[-] 0 points by Scout (729) 12 years ago

of course it will and even the former head of Mosad has described the prime minister and defence minister of Israel as being lunatics! They are obsessed ! China and Russia have said they will support Iran and I'm sure Pakistan will not sit back and allow another unprovoked attack on fellow Muslim country. The people in control of Israel of evil to the core

[-] 0 points by TomTommorow (78) from Hardyston, NJ 12 years ago

Of course God dosn't want these crazed bloodthristy wars....but Satan and his minions love war, death and destruction so they want it.

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 12 years ago

put down your fairy tales, and start to live in reality. There is no invisible man in the sky.

[-] 1 points by Chugwunka (89) from Willows, CA 12 years ago

So you know the mind of god? Really?

[-] 0 points by relthinkr (64) 12 years ago

We all need to do everything we can to resist this Tyranny.

First move your money to a credit union, i did and it gives me everything a bank does minus the fees. http://jinnwe.com/quest.php?id=345

Second, get off 100% Zionist controlled and operated Facebook. http://jinnwe.com/quest.php?id=348

Third, learn about how these monsters are controlling us and spread this info to everyone you know. Take the red pill. http://jinnwe.com/quest.php?id=434

For extra credit, join jinnwe it is a social network made by two Egyptian guys from tahrir. freedom fighters only.

[-] 0 points by relthinkr (64) 12 years ago

What is it going to take for this movement to get back on track and focus on the foreign nation that now completely controls the USA?

it ain't "the corporations" we gotta worry about when we don't even have a government anymore

see if u can figure it out http://jinnwe.com/join.php?refid=1

[-] 2 points by ohmygoodness (158) 12 years ago

How many states are there in the US? 50 you said, incorrect 51;

What is the capital of the US Surely you got this right, If you said Washington DC then, sorry, incorrect.

[-] 0 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 12 years ago

So are we ready for our sons and daughters to die for Israel?

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 12 years ago

I and my sons and my daughters will die for Israel. And for the US.

And there are millions upon millions of people like me.

[-] 1 points by TomTommorow (78) from Hardyston, NJ 12 years ago

I seriously doubt there are millions and millions of gullible sheep as deluded and fanatical as you. You can die for a foreign nations anti-American agenda if you want but don't try and make my and others sons and daughters die for your fanatical hatred and anti-American war mongering agenda. I will not die for some foreign nations agenda that is not in America's real best interst. I will live...as a free man for my country America...not yours.... You don't know a darn thing about what Betsy Ross really stood for.

[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 12 years ago

No one is making you do anything idiot. It's America. People aren't drafted-they VOLUNTEER. And we'll see how many of them fight for Israel.

DEFENDING America AND it's Allies is not anti-American. And you don't have the first CLUE about me either.

[-] 0 points by Scout (729) 12 years ago

and will you make another pigs breakfast of things once again like you did in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya. I mean America couldn't fight its way out of a paper bag. And the Iranians spend their time playing chess not sitting in front of the TV watching American Idol and guzzling hamburgers. They will run rings around you

[-] 1 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 12 years ago

You people are traitors to the united states. If you are so concerned for an alien country then please go live there. And someday your murderous evil will be defeated.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 12 years ago

I'm sorry.

Nixon was a traitor and he got a library.

These people are just arguing for truth.

It's rare in the modern World.

[-] 1 points by Chugwunka (89) from Willows, CA 12 years ago

Say what?

[-] 1 points by BonTon (57) 12 years ago

snooz is in favor of going to war for Israel?

stop the presses.

[-] 0 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 12 years ago

So you are for our children dying for Israel too? Must admit I'm surprised...

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 12 years ago

Saber rattling is a way of life around there, and if Iran blockades the strait, there will be repercussions.

They will have little to do with Israel, though I wouldn't be surprised if they got involved.

That's just an honest opinion.

BTW Nixon was a traitor, and he did get a library.

[-] 0 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 12 years ago

I hope you are right.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 12 years ago

I don't like us being the world police, but we are under treaty obligations with many countries that rely on oil.

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 12 years ago

My word....do you and I agree on something?

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 12 years ago

Nixon was most definitely a traitor.

I'm neither a hawk, nor a dove, just giving an opinion, based on what I've heard and read.

[-] 1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 12 years ago

I meant the part about Iran being attacked for blocking the strait etc. There will be repercussions. And they asked for them.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 12 years ago

Please understand. I have no truck with the Irani people.

Most of their kids just want to rock and roll, like ours do.

It's the plutocrats that rattle the swords, and those very kids, will be the ones who die when they clash.

If it comes to that, I feel it will be yet another tremendous waste of life and limb.

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 12 years ago

No. I am neither a traitor to the United States nor to her allies. Since your concern is all about the alien nation of Iran, how has repeatedly and consistently threatened and vowed to attack the US, feel free to go there to defend her.

Murderous evil will one day be defeated forever. By the God of Israel, of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.

[-] 2 points by jph (2652) 12 years ago

So the USA is not threatening Iran on a continual basis for many years now? We can have nukes so they can not? What a great policy, I can have these weapons but no one else can ,.because only I am gods chosen,. bla bla bla,.

Religion is a blight on humanity.

Faith is willful delusion.

There is no invisible man in the sky, those that believe in such nonsense are the biggest problem in this world. We can not use logic or reason with blind delusional faith-heads.

[-] 1 points by ohmygoodness (158) 12 years ago

If Religion be the language of spirituality

How it has been abused by expletives in its name, leaving the soul void and searching.

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[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 12 years ago

Your lack of tolerance is a blight on humanity.

[-] -2 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 12 years ago

You are filth. Go away. Sacrifice your children for Israel. Don't expect me to.

[-] -2 points by TomTommorow (78) from Hardyston, NJ 12 years ago

Oh she wants to sacrifice them and everyone else's to her idol of war as well don't you know? She thinks she has that right.

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 12 years ago

You are BOTH bigoted, lying, stupid, morons. I DO NOT expect you to "sacrifice" anything for me or this country. I said what I would do.

YOU have the right to do whatever the hell you want to. Did you read what I said there? YOU have your rights. I have mine. Where and what I die for are MY right.

You also do not have the "right" to tell me, or anyone else, INCLUDING the 1% what THEY have to sacrifice for you. Got that? YOU do not have that right.

[-] -2 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 12 years ago

Okay. I'll type slowly so even you fundamentalist filth can understand. YOU are the one willing to die for that Zionist nation. Their fight is NOT our fight. You and your children die for them.

[-] 1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 12 years ago

"Lest you be wise in your own conceits, I want you to understand this mystery, brethren: a hardening has come upon part of Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles come in, and so all Israel will be saved; as it is written, "The Deliverer will come from Zion, He will banish ungodliness from Jacob" (Romans 11:25-26 RSV)

Their God is my God. And yes, I will die for Him. If their fight is not YOUR fight, then you stand on the side against their God, and you and the enemies of "Zion" will burn as chaff in the wind.

Good luck with that. Really.

[-] 0 points by BonTon (57) 12 years ago

yeah, but BR, how are you so sure that Israel is this Israel?

and what's with the RSV? no KJV?

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 12 years ago

RSV was first version I pulled up. I prefer the KJV.

How sure are you that "that Israel" is NOT "this Israel". How many Israels are there? ONE. Twelve tribes. 12 sons of Jacob.

You know of any "other" Israel?

[-] 1 points by BonTon (57) 12 years ago

Well, this Israel, i.e., the modern socialist state, didn't exist until 1948. So it seems to me that to link it with the Bible one would have to believe either that the modern state is in unbroken continuity with ancient Israel or that the founding of modern socialist state was divinely inspired.

[-] 1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 12 years ago

And a modern "Palestine" STILL does not exist. It has never existed as a sovereign nation or nationality. NEVER.

The Jewish diaspora is part of ancient history and always has been. And the prediction of their return to their land is ALSO thousands of years old. If the "bible" as a document is "only" a couple of thousand years old, it STILL documents the Jews being there, the majority of the ten tribes being captured and removed from the area, and the prophecy that they would return under God's hand.

There is no such history or record of a "Palestinian" people. Period.

[-] 1 points by BonTon (57) 12 years ago

I didn't refer to a 'modern Palestine' or any other Palestine. I was only asking about your certainty that the modern state of Israel is one and the same as the ancient Israel of the Bible.

I assume you're a Christian (since you're quoting the RSV), but why such hostility to people who identify as Palestinian? Many of them are Christian, too.

[-] -2 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 12 years ago

I'll be right there as will my children, fighting you Jew worshipping whores every step of the way. And I have a very strong feeling you will not win. Oh, and you can drop the whole "Betsy Ross" thing. A patriot of a foreign country is not a patriot of this country.

[-] 1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 12 years ago

You wanna hear from a REAL Patriot? John Adams in a letter to F.A. Van Der Kemp, 16 February 1809:

"... I will insist that the Hebrews have done more to civilize men than any other nation. If I were an atheist and believed in blind eternal fate, I should still believe that fate had ordained the Jews to be the most essential instrument for civilizing the nations. If I were an atheist of another sect... I should still believe that chance had ordered the Jews to preserve and propagate for all mankind the doctrine of a supreme, intelligent, wise almighty sovereign of the universe, which I believe to be the great essential principle of all morality, and consequently of all civilization… They are the most glorious nation that ever inhabited this earth. The Romans and their Empire were but a bauble in comparison to the Jews. They have given religion to three quarters of the globe and have influenced the affairs of mankind more, and more happily than any other nation, ancient or modern."

As quoted in: Allan Gould, What Did They Think of the Jews, (New Jersey, 1997), pp. 71-72.

[-] 1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 12 years ago

You can kiss my big red, white and blue rear end. I was born and raised in this county as were three generations of my family. My father was a US Naval Officer who retired with full honors. Every damn patriot born IN this country came from the lineage of patriots of other countries. E pluribus unum. "Out of many...One".

I don't worship the Jews. I don't worship my country. And I don't worship you or your blithering bigotry either. I worship God and God alone. The God whose words influenced the establishment of this country. The GOD in "In God we Trust" .

If you plan to fight me and mine every step of the way, come ready, because God is on our side.

[-] -1 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 12 years ago

You keep thinking that . You are a traitor to this country you filthy whore. The founding fathers and my nation had nothing to do with Israel until 1946. You are the enemy.

[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 12 years ago

And you have revealed that you know NOTHING of American History. OR the history of Israel.

A marble replica of Moses – who is perceived by Americans as the chief law giver – is featured, prominently, at the House of Representatives on Capitol Hill, facing the seat of the Speaker of the House, the chief legislator.

Two sculptures of Moses welcome visitors at the entrance to the Supreme Court and above the bench of the US Supreme Court Justices. Another sculpture of Moses is displayed in the rotunda of the Library of Congress.

The inscription on the Liberty Bell, a corner stone of the American ethos is from the book of Leviticus 25:10: “Proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof.” It inspired the anti-slavery movement, in general, and Harriet Beecher Stowe’s Uncle Tom’s Cabin, in particular.

The Ten Commandments proliferate in US government buildings, under the assumption that they have deeply impacted American civil laws. A granite rock, shaped like the Two Tablets, welcomes visitors to the Texas State Capitol in Austin, and the official seal of Yale University features the Hebrew words, “Urim and Thummim,” which were the power of the High Priest during the Exodus.

Hebrew was a prerequisite for early American scholars. Many universities required it in their curriculum. Hebrew was compulsory at Harvard until 1787.

Furthermore, the map of the US features thousands of sites bearing biblical names, such as Salem (JeruSalem), Zion, Beth El, Bethlehem, Dothan, Ephrata, Hebron, Jericho, Canaan, Pisgah, Carmel, Gilboa, Rehoboth, Goshen, etc.

The great Seal of the United States of America-shows a six pointed star over the head of the Eagle-a hexagram, a star of David.

The first committee to create the Great Seal consisted of John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson. Each man proposed a design for the seal. "Franklin chose an allegorical scene from Exodus, described in his notes as "Moses standing on the Shore, and extending his Hand over the Sea, thereby causing the same to overwhelm Pharaoh who is sitting in an open Chariot, a Crown on his Head and a Sword in his Hand. Rays from a Pillar of Fire in the Clouds reaching to Moses, to express that he acts by Command of the Deity." Motto, "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God."

"Jefferson suggested a depiction of the Children of Israel in the wilderness, led by a cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night for the front of the seal; and Hengest and Horsa, the two brothers who were the legendary leaders of the first Anglo-Saxon settlers in Britain, for the reverse side of the seal."

"Adams chose a painting known as the "Judgment of Hercules" where the young Hercules must choose to travel either on the flowery path of self-indulgence or the rugged, more difficult, uphill path of duty to others and honor to himself."

American support for the age-old aspirations of the Jewish people to return to their homeland dates from the Colonial period when John Adams wrote: "I really wish the Jews again in Judea an independent nation for, as I believe, the most enlightened men of it have participated in the amelioration of the philosophy of the age."

John Quincy Adams wrote to Major Mordecai Manuel Noah that he believed in the "rebuilding of Judea as an independent nation."

Not long after the Emancipation Proclamation, President Abraham Lincoln met a Canadian Christian Zionist, Henry Wentworth Monk, who expressed hope that Jews who were suffering oppression in Russia and Turkey be emancipated "by restoring them to their national home in Palestine." Lincoln said this was "a noble dream and one shared by many Americans." The President said his chiropodist was a Jew who "has so many times ‘put me upon my feet’ that I would have no objection to giving his countrymen ‘a leg up.’"

In 1883, Emma Lazarus, the poet whose words are inscribed on the Statue of Liberty, wrote that Palestine should be as "a Home for the Homeless, a Goal for the Wanderer and an Asylum for the persecuted and a nation of the denationalized."

In 1891, pogroms incited by Czar Alexander III provoked an outcry by many prominent Americans, including the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and Speaker of the House. Rev. William E. Blackstone and Cardinal Gibbons presented a petition signed by those who were concerned about the fate of the Jews in Russia to President Benjamin Harrison and Secretary of State James Blaine. They called for the first international conference "to consider the Israelite claim to Palestine as their ancient home, and to promote in any other just and proper way the alleviation of their suffering condition."

Why not give Palestine back to the Jews again? According to God's distribution of nations, it is their home—an inalienable possession from which they were expelled by force. Under their cultivation was a remarkable fruitful land, sustaining millions of Israelites, who industrially tilled its hillsides and valleys. They were agriculturists and producers...the center of civilization and religion.

We believe this is an appropriate time for all nations, and especially the Christian nations of Europe, to show kindness to Israel...let us now restore to them the land of which they were so cruelly despoiled by our Roman ancestors.

The signatories' idea preceded the first World Zionist Congress that adopted the program to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine by six years.

In 1917, Lord Balfour sent a letter to Lord Rothschild, president of the British Zionist Federation, stating that the British Government would facilitate the establishment of a national home for the Jewish people in Palestine. President Wilson expressed his support for the Balfour Declaration when he stated on March 3, 1919:

The allied nations with the fullest concurrence of our government and people are agreed that in Palestine shall be laid the foundations of a Jewish Commonwealth.

After Wilson left office, his successors expressed similar support for the Zionist enterprise. "It is impossible for one who has studied at all the services of the Hebrew people to avoid the faith that they will one day be restored to their historic national home and there enter on a new and yet greater phase of their contribution to the advance of humanity," said President Warren Harding.

Calvin Coolidge expressed his "sympathy with the deep and intense longing which finds such fine expression in the Jewish National Homeland in Palestine."

"Palestine which, desolate for centuries, is now renewing its youth and vitality through enthusiasm, hard work, and self-sacrifice of the Jewish pioneers who toil there in a spirit of peace and social justice," observed Herbert Hoover.

Congress was no less sympathetic to the Zionist objective. One can look back to the joint Congressional resolutions of 1922 and 1944 that unanimously passed an endorsement of the Balfour Declaration. The House Foreign Affairs Committee stated in 1922:

"The Jews of America are profoundly interested in establishing a National Home in the ancient land for their race. Indeed, this is the ideal of the Jewish people, everywhere, for, despite their dispersion, Palestine has been the object of their veneration since they were expelled by the Romans. For generations they have prayed for the return to Zion. During the past century this prayer has assumed practical form."

Legislatures in 33 states, representing 85 percent of the population, also adopted resolutions favoring the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine. Governors of 37 states, 54 United States senators, and 250 congressmen signed petitions to the President.

“Palestine” is the name that the Romans gave to the land of Israel when they conquered this land 2000 years ago.

  • There was never in the history of the world a “Palestinian” nation.
  • There was never in the history of the world a “Palestinian” state.
  • There was never in the history of the world a “Palestinian” kingdom.
  • There were never in the history of the world “Palestinian” kings.
  • There was never in the history of the world a “Palestinian” capital.
  • There was never in the history of the world a “Palestinian” essence.
  • There was never in the history of the world a “Palestinian” heritage.
  • There was never in the history of the world a “Palestinian” culture.

The “Palestinians” are Arabs who were brought to the region by the Ottoman empire as part of the Muslim occupation in the region. They are definitely not the tribes from Crete who settled down in the 5 cities of Gaza strip after the Exodus of Israel from Egypt. These tribes were called Philistines and they weren’t Arabs at all and the nowadays “Palestinians” are definitely not their descendants. The Philistines don’t exist as a nation nowadays.

There’s no “Palestinian”nation but an ARAB one which went out of the Arabian Peninsula and occupied dozens of lands, including the land of Israel.

The Arabs who were living in the land of Israel started to call themselves “Palestinians” only after the establishment of Israel in 1948 and prior to it they called themselves just ‘Arabs’ and this is how they called their organizations (‘Arab Higher Committee’) and their struggles (‘The Great Arab Revolt’) and nick named the land of Israel in different names such as ‘Southern Syria’.

[-] 0 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 12 years ago

You are a filthy whore for a foreign country and a traitor to this nation.

[-] 1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 12 years ago

Your opinion means ZIP.

[-] 0 points by relthinkr (64) 12 years ago

more lies.... nothing but lies.

Palestiniahs have been calling themselves that for thousands of years. Palestine is mentioned by Herotodus 7 times by that spelling 2500 years ago. Palestine is mentioned 4 times in the bible.

shut up with your lies, you fool no one.

[-] 1 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 12 years ago

Palestine is a transliteration of the insult Greeks used (from the root of Philistines, a tribe from Crete that moved to and settled in southern Canaan). It primarily referred - as the insult - historically, to Jews who lived throughout the region. The modern incarnation of Arab Palestine - distinct from Jewish Palestine, which became Israel - was the mandate from the UN that created both nations. They were populations that gained political autonomy from Great Britain. What is known as the West Bank had been part of Trans-Jordan until Jordan itself was created by that mandate. Until the war in 1967 Gaza was under the rulership of Egypt.

Wherever you are in this debate, at least get your history and geography right.

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 12 years ago

It is SHOCKING to me in this age of information that people like you can actually exist. Such a lack of information on ancient history and geography outside of your own little minds. I'm just stunned.

I grew UP with my parents telling me about the invention of "Palestinians" and we aren't even Jewish, nor did we KNOW any Jews. It was a completely well known, political FACT and part of history by the time I was born!!

http://www.biu.ac.il/SOC/besa/docs/perspectives157.pdf

Here's a reference from a book written in 2003! This isn't "new" to anyone but you apparently!

http://www.jstor.org/pss/20101488

http://www.imninalu.net/myths-pals.htm

An article from 2002- http://www.wnd.com/2002/07/14501/

NO historical documents exist, NONE, that demonstrate a sovereign "Palestinian" people, independent country, culture, language, or history. NONE. It is a RECENT "invention" that people have known about since 1948!!!

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[-] -1 points by Scout (729) 12 years ago

it's the Zionists who are the evil bastards

[-] 0 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 12 years ago

Too true. And the Christians that lick their boots.

[-] 0 points by Renaye (522) 12 years ago

Nope. But how are we going to inform the masses that they are not fighting for freedom and human rights? That they are instead doing the bidding for the top echelons of the elite and heads of state that are having a hidden battle of the wills at our expense?

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[-] 0 points by Renaye (522) 12 years ago

Conspiracy.

[-] 0 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 12 years ago

Very well said.

[-] 0 points by Scout (729) 12 years ago

you mean the puppet masters that bankroll the politicians ?

[-] -1 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 12 years ago

Apparently there are many on this site that are willing to die for Israel.

[-] -1 points by TomTommorow (78) from Hardyston, NJ 12 years ago

I am not so sure the debt is the real reason for the war mongering. I think it's more about Israel seeing Iran as it's enemy. But that's just how it looks to me. Everyone has their different views.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 12 years ago

Iran has decided to trade oil for gold with India. That is against IMF directives for trade in crude products.

Same reason Libya was bombed into the stone age.