Forum Post: Strategy-Nuetralize, Expose, Infiltrators=Non Chaos Forum-skype discuss
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 16, 2011, 12:44 p.m. EST by ChristopherABrown
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from Santa Barbara, CA
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I've seen enough of this. This forum is hijacked. I'm upset because we have dedicated people on the ground making sacrifices and free speech here has turned into a free-for-all and I recognize the style. These people, MORE THAN YOU THINK, are agents of the nwo. This the event my other thread is about,
http://occupywallst.org/forum/cognitive-infiltration-web-psyops-methods-and-uses/
Let me describe the conditions here that they take advantage of that we change. The first thing they take advantage of is the fact there is no strategy to OWS. "End the fed" is not strategy. No action is and without the authority, no action can be taken. So that weakness is something the infiltrators exploit. There is no group focus.
This thread is about effective action you can take right now as a sincere American posting here. The nwo has made you so fearful, many of you may not be using your full real name. We have people with their full real bodies on the street, and names, the least you can do is one simple up-front thing to stand with them. Fill out your profile and show you are a real human. State in the beginning what you hope to accomplish here. If you only have an issue or problem to describe, your intent, do that and why or what you hope for. I guess a facebook account might help, but maybe not, Any infiltrator can make one so that is no measure. I can't make one, I have not appeased the corporate gods of web browsers and upgraded, I won't.
In fact, I cannot even access the admin site for OWS,
http://nycga.cc/category/minutes/
No buttons work. So if someone can send a message regarding this strategy, that would help.
There is a good reason for this filling out of your identity. When we ask for accountability from one another for logic supporting proposals we are asking others to be involved in, there needs to be substance.
You are real and the infiltrators are not. You will defend your good name and proposals with reason and the infiltrators will not, because they cannot. When they try, you will see that they are inconsistent because their profile statements of intent and activity do not match. In doing this we learn about ourselves and them.
With the assistance of the web admins, the IP's and usernames of all those who are disruptive and not accountable, should be published and shared with the 2 posters here that have created forums. They can perhaps pre ban them. It will by then be seen they are not working for anything coherent, just the disruption of this movement.
I was pre banned from many 9-11 forums for using independently verified facts to make valid points that would have gained more truth. In fact, had my free speech been allowed, I might have created an effective movement and we would not be here now. See my 9-11 site. http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html The least we can do for the nwo is return the favor:)
If people are wondering what I'm about, want to speak with me, on skype about this and Article V, strategy I am ChristopherABrown there.
Yes, I've been calling for organization, leadership, a single clear message, a vision, actual goals strategies, all things that cannot be achieved so long as this thing remains, formless and leaderless. I know that was the original intent, but you are absolutely correct, we will never progress if we don't start to have some structure.
Heck, there are hundreds, maybe even thousands that feel like we do, but it's hard to even find people on this.
I have an idea I'm going to try on Monday, but it will need some help. I'm going to try and list these sort of demands, for more structure, leadership, and actual organization, starting with this web site a forum. I'm going to try and post a dozen or more of these then work to keep them at the top so we can all get together, and maybe, just maybe call attention to this important issue.
I agree with your call and strategy.-----
My methodology was to show how others had the same basic perceptions. I found these threads that were buried by the nwo infiltrators and public confusion.--
http://occupywallst.org/forum/corporate-influence-in-government-and-its-effect-o/ http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-system-can-it-be-fixed-or-must-it-be-replaced/ http://occupywallst.org/forum/we-need-to-fight-the-source-not-the-symptom/ http://occupywallst.org/forum/fix-congress-not-wall-street/ http://occupywallst.org/forum/please-consider-this-everyone-focused-on-1-thing/ http://occupywallst.org/forum/poll-more-people-blame-washington-than-wall-st/ http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-wall-st/
The idea is that I've shown I recognize others perceptions of a confused, maldirected movement as valid, and post in their thread in support, but I suggest one overuling strategy. Overuling because it comes from the ultimate law of the land and refers to completely democratic control.-----
Because an article 5 convention has never been called, we can dictate, within constitutional intents, what we will accept.-----
A list of demands is good, but methods of compelling that they are met cannot be neglected. It is sure that most agree on the issues that compel the demand, the solution is not agreed upon and not mentioned. Article 5 is that solution but we are going to have to get past the distraction of the many demands to focus on solution that will meet them.
If you were to find more threads that outlined demands you agree with, which you post in their thread, and post the links to them in your supporting thread ALONG WITH SOLUTION, and with why you support the demand, then you align with those posters, and they will appreciate you for understanding, and perhaps join you in your thread and support for solution.
I think the reason these are getting buried is due to the incredible volume of posts. Post something, it literally drops off the page within a minute or so. It's literally impossible to stay focused in here.
I'll say it again, this movement needs to form an actual organization, with actual departments, including PR, logistics, etc... It needs actual leadership to develop and control the message. There are ways to get things moving in a single direction, but OWS does none of them.
OWS needs to get organized, starting with this web site, or it will die.
I guarantee that over 50% of those posts are infiltrator generated. The bots are quite sophisticated. They had one you could discuss with at breakfornews.com, a total cointelpro site running a psyops, and it was fairly coherent.-----
The movement has occupywallst.org, and it refuses to communicate logically about strategy. To make another organization is to make another entity to be infiltrated and misdirected.----
Organization has another face, leadership does too.-
Organization implies unity. If people are united, they don't really need a leader. We have the US constitution and if we can enforce it, we willprevail over our challenges. Leadership becomes conceptual around interpretation. Once it is properly interpreted, then leadership is shared in unity of understanding. I cannot overemphasize how effective this is.
"Homelessness in the United States has continued to remain a focus area of concern of social service providers, government officials, and policy professionals since its resurgence inherent types of individuals and families.[1] The number of homeless people further grew in the 1980s, as housing and social service cuts increased and the economy deteriorated. The United States government determined that somewhere between 200,000 and 500,000 Americans were then homeless.[2]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_States
out of 300 million people in the US
1 in 600
or 0.16 %
At first I thought this infiltrator crap was just that..crap. But I have been monitoring the forums and I have to say I believe you guys. I have read comments from Nazi's, Marxists, truthers, birthers among other paranoid oddballs. Most of you seem to be honest people and I agree with you on a lot of issues now that I have done some research. The majority of you can count me as a supporter. As a small display of support I am going to pass on lessons learned from the MWTC course on cold weather survival.
You get the picture. Any controversy is good to post. No agreement on functional solution is entertained. A great deal of chafe, attitude based exchanges basically something that todays bots can do with some tuning, customizing and supervision.
Perhaps some simple keyword tuning, language precise of course. I suppose some well meaning posters might get knocked into the box, but it might clean up the forums a tad.
I tend to think along the lines of the movement realizing its common interests and simply posting in a few threads that address the paramount needs governmentally. By our sheer numbers, it will be seen that those other posters are not reflecting human issues and are only a misguided false social entity with limited numbers and capacity for anything out side of nwo interests.
awesome strategy.. i hope that we think about it and adopt something like it.
Christopher, you are right on the money. I am glad to be sharing in the movement with you. Everyone, listen to this man. What he knows about Article V will stir the pot and the infiltrators will hate it.
http://www.articlevmeeting.info/
If you really want to learn how the powerful in the NWO will hate us, come to this site and join us over on Skype
you have to find the middle ground. level a foundation. then build up. what is the lowest common denominator of us all. Can we start there and work out. yes , let he without personal motivation , suggest the first one. if that guy doesn't exist. how do we make him/her/it ?
Personal motivation has driven me as inspired by members of this movement to take action. Fortunately, it is in front of our eyes in our history text books. Just read the constitution about article V and we can make a difference and start by removing the money from politics and that will stifle the voice of the banks. http://www.articlevmeeting.info
think bigger while you still have time.
The beauty of the constitutions logic in placing the amendatory preemption in the beginning begins to show when our need is so great.---
Article. V.
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
That is our back door!
Perhaps that is a good way to refer to it because if we cannot use it for freedom, freedom is lost.-----
if a system of management works in one direction how would you reverse the flow of power and make the system more efficient without destroying the systems required to maintain peace or order or create a slower response time to known possible threats to peace and/or order. Those threats natural , internal to the system, or by a force ouside of that system should all have defensive plans in place. prior to anyone switching the current direction of travel.
If not , we will have the same issue again in 100-300 years.
To restate,
At the start of any revolution there is one person pissed off. keep that guy from getting pissed off in the first place.
Okay, not sure I've got the context of what you describe. Let's see if you recognize an inversion of what you first describe.- Articles I thru IV are management by government of the constitution. Article V is the management clause where the citizens get to restructure the operating parameters of the central system controlling I thru IV.-
Mabe now the back door aspect and needed controlling circularity exists for the people is visible.
first rule of social chaos ,
The guitar playing hippies need to understand what secures and guarantees the rights and freedom they need. Understanding then going to protests and advising people that they can "complain all they want, but if they need something to change, they will have to organize in their states to understand how to make their state work to amend the operating parameters of the federal government with Article V of the constitution.--
Effective kill switch for a system built to destroy our ability to meet our own needs.
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A reasonable capacity to examine cause and effect wherever it maybe found.
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Facts, evidence, reason, history,academia and logic are used to understand when a poster is working for, or against the constitution. So far, you are working against it.
I see. So a determination of your review of the "Facts". We just need to make you the webmaster so we can have your opinions working as judge and jury.
Its actually something I've been saying and pushing for here for a very long time. Silence those voices and sharpen the message. After reviewing the nonsensical writings on your website, I'm fairly certain I would opt for someone a bit more lucid than yourself to play the role of leader of the movement, but you are definitely onto something.
MikeyD wrote: What criteria will we be using to separate the wheat from the chaff?END------
Okay, would you consider these words "your review of the "Facts"
Article. V.
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.-------
If my writings are too much for you, perhaps you can see above that the congress can be completely removed from an article 5 convention whe 3/4 of the states are ratifying.-----
Do you read that? Or do you read something else? Let us have your opinion.
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Yes, article 5 delegates would be newly elected and not be a part of the states existing legislation. They would be answerable to the same laws, but have a rapport with the people separate and supported by the newly invoked law, article 5, and its intent or purpose.------
Within that, governmental access television would be available to delegate candidates and online capacity in the beginning for elections would be developed to refine public opinion upon the later state votes for ratification of amendments.-----
You seem to have left out of your analysis that article 5 IS the ultimate democratic control over the republic. For that reason, the ultimate forms of information needed in democracy possible must be used. This is not anything like a proposal for, "business as usual".
Wrong. Elect new reps they simply replace the old reps. Nothing changes. All this bullshit about direct democracy is exactly that. Bullshit. You still have representatives. They are still elected. You still have the same electoral process.
What I think you are trying to get at is election reform, which has absolutely nothing to do with Article 5. Like I said, only loosely in touch with reality.
Not in the case of an article 5 convention, which has never happened before, so you have no historical reference supporting you on that assertion. Reality check mikey!-
Article 5 can include election reform and ANYTHING else we decide to include.----
Are you against that? Why are you here?
You still have to have state elected representatives at the convention. It is no different than a meeting of the electoral college or any other of our federal representation processes that happen currently.
There is no precedent for that, and I already pointed out the logical and lawful, under the 9th and 14th amendment, reasons.-
http://occupywallst.org/forum/strategy-nuetralize-expose-infiltratorsnon-chaos-f/#comment-227001
Maybe. But Garcia doesn't worry about wages? http://www.birdsnest.com/garcia.htm
And presidents don't have to explain themselves. Luckily, we have Article V of the constitution.