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Forum Post: Cognitive Infiltration, Web Psyops, Methods and Uses of Disinfo & Misinfo

Posted 2 years ago on Oct. 15, 2011, 3:31 p.m. EST by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA
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Hard to imagine your efforts to use your right to free speech is so easily fouled isn't it? A large portion of the traffic is artificial, it is "cognitive infiltration".-------- http://algoxy.com/poly/nwo_cognitive_infiltration.html

The strategy employed by the infiltration has 2 basic parts. 1) Dilution: These are the inane posts that are hard to believe anyone would actually make. this is the lowest level of infiltration Put yourself in the place of an infiltrator from the shadow government.

There is bot software that can carry on a halfway intelligent conversation. All you have to do is examine the movement then invent the petty issues that protesters of citizens might legitimately know. A list of these is created in advance which is good for a decent period of time and post text that is credible is written as example, the bot has a limited list of variations it can use to alter. At your discretion, using proxy IP, at the press of a button the post is made and followed automatically. You don't have to do anything. It displays the post the machine is responding to and provides an option for your input. If you don't respond right away, it makes the best answer it can. The character changes between you and the automation are visible, but not very. Not easy to read and know what you are looking at. It has a routine that will teach the bot your response style making this harder to see. You must specifically test the poster with logic and facts. Solution to the problem is the best test because an infiltrator will never recognize it no matter how obvious it is. At high levels, they mighty to retain credibility in discussion they know is monitored. Small leading points of solution are acknowledged, only to be able to continue without being exposed and dispose of the solution through false group consensus later.

Dilution is also repetition of the known problems and actions that do not actually work. Posters here recognize some of that. Dilution makes a confusing forum environment for people trying to carry on protracted discussion. In this form of dilution, 2 users acted out by the bot can rally aspects back and forth making a lively exchange which goes no where. No intelligent response can be gained there.

The lack of strategy employed in the movement lends to the success of infiltration. When there are no leaders, distraction is easy and the fact that the distracting element is nonsense and there is no authority to permanently dismiss it, makes it easy to maintain a false front of public opinion, by default the result is dysfunction. When there are only issues and no logical OWS strategy for solution, infiltrators bots, citizens and protesters can go around in circles of cognitive distortion driven by emotional reasoning forever, pretty much blocking the forum. Here is a page with assembled cognitive distortions.

http://algoxy.com/poly/nwo_cognitive_distortions.html

Astroturfing is an identified method of secret infiltration. What is not known is the level of development of these methods for political interference with Americas NEED for function of free speech.

http://boingboing.net/2011/02/18/hbgarys-high-volume.html http://revolutionmessaging.com/2011/09/21/how-to-weed-out-astroturf-identifying-fake-public-support/ http://newsinfo.iu.edu/news/page/normal/16173.html http://veracitystew.com/2011/02/25/astroturfing-the-season-of-disinformation-video/ http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2011/04/25/cv-election-truthy-memes-twitter.html

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[-] 3 points by thebeastchasingitstail (1912) 2 years ago

The Fox News/Breitbart gang have a very organized web presence.

They and their minions always stay on message and love to flood online forums and social media with their hate & their manufactured propaganda.

If I owned this website, I would close this forum until a more organized format could be put forth.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

Format will not deal with the infiltrations. Organization is not the problem. The lack of sophistication and a logical strategy agreed upon by the people of the movement is the problem. Without that, nonsense can prevail and go anywhere, and no one can say anything. Freedom of speech, right?

[-] 2 points by thebeastchasingitstail (1912) 2 years ago

A lack of sophistication among the posters here is a problem, I agree. People need to be educated about what you detailed above, just as they need to be educated on the ground about infiltration.

Freedom of speech - well, on internet forums you only have the freedom given to you by the "property owner". Our constitutional right to freedom of speech means we're free from government interference with our rights.

An internet forum can be moderated. All postings do not have to be given space. Just like when people write to their local newspaper - they don't have a right to be published simply because they submit a letter.

Try going to michellemalkin.com or freerepublic.com or biggovernment.com and see how much "free speech" you have when you post opposing views or insulting, incendiary messages.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

Correct, there is no free speech on the .com. Some might choose to respect it, but the infiltration will take advantage of that and fill it with misinfo, disinfo, confusion and distraction diluting anything of value that might be there.---

We need the usenet back. Like Americans paid for it. It is ours. Congress gave it to commerce in 1995 to prevent Americans from being able to unify after 9-11.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

Congress was planning in advance in 1995 for 9-11? Remember Usenet before it was searchable, and people could spout off whatever crackpot stuff they wanted, without fear of accidentally winning an award for it or something?

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

Ollie North was lying to congress in July of 1987, and that was okay with them. So their credibility was shot from that point forward.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

And so Congress didn't want the people to unify, so they killed off Usenet because it was a threat? In cooperation with the private sector?

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

Well you support congress, they accept lies and you are here trying to block citizens from unifying around the constitution. You have made a logical conclusion, THX! Humanity appreciates it.

[-] 0 points by ChristopherABrownART5 (46) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

thebeastchasingitstail wrote: Freedom of speech - well, on internet forums you only have the freedom given to you by the "property owner". Our constitutional right to freedom of speech means we're free from government interference with our rights.END------

You bring up an interesting point. Consider this.------

Would the consitution grant the right to private property where defense of the constitution was prohibited while treason was being conducted and the constitution required support and defense?-------

No. Logically IF defense of the constitution is asserted in a private forum, and the poster banned, it is a treasonous act IF it can be substantiated that there is an infiltration into the government as shown by a pattern of unconstitutionality which the poster is defending the constitution against in some manner.

[-] 2 points by FreeDem (2) 2 years ago

I have talked with folk in person with all the traits you point out. Quite indistinguishable from a bot, and quite as pointless in the discussion.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

I would appreciate it if you could write upon exactly how you came to that conclusion. It would be very educational to those are sincere about change. You might review this page on cognitive distortions.----

http://algoxy.com/poly/nwo_cognitive_distortions.html

It is the main intellectual tool/method used by infiltrators. TV sitcoms, soap operas, game shows etc. were used to make cognitive distortions appear okay to use in thinking and speech when we were children. We are the victims of a 40 year old communications psyops and you can help to unravel it.-

This thread, http://occupywallst.org/forum/strategy-nuetralize-expose-infiltratorsnon-chaos-f/ Strategy-Nuetralize, Expose, Infiltrators=Non Chaos-Forum-skype

presents common sense strategy. The other part of it is doing exactly what I ask you to do.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

Yes, that is possible and is the "red pill" aspect that the infiltrators will use to diminish the topic. We need to be much more sophisticated as human beings making our social interaction serve the protection of ultimately, our lives.

[-] 0 points by jeivers (278) 2 years ago

:-)

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[-] 1 points by elf3 (2300) 2 years ago

What is the solution to this ? ? ? Where can we go from this - maybe stay on point only spread message of awareness no arguing, no speculations, no solutions proposed?

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

Engaging the absolutes that we agree upon that support our living defines the solution. Simply finding them and agreeing upon them IS unity. That is the beginning of the solution, not a mere proposal.

The solution manifests fully when the method of agreement finds a historical method of acceptance socially and expands.
The needed Article V convention will do that but we need to prepare properly by countering the abridgment of free speech so the agreement can be made. Then, with the republic in mind, the "representatives" campaign finance needs to be reformed (reverse citizens united), then election methods need to be secured. At that point we are ready to properly make some amendments.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 2 years ago

ChristopherA Brown;

I wonder if many of us could benefit more from considering the abilities of our audience. You know we can try to write to a 6th grade level, and we can try to be more step by step in presentation. I'm sure you do that if you are a movie maker. The forum as a medium is sort of limited.

Looking at your web page a little and thinking about some comments on problems in forums. As far a 9-11 goes, inside job theory, pre-planted explosives, etc. This is controlled information and I'm guessing that people in demolition sign agreements with bond holders and/or government agencies - to not reveal the technology of bringing a building down in it's footprint.

I've put off a big writing project idea for almost 2 months. I'm not the smartest guy, but writing help me realize my abilities, talent and maybe creates a record of where I am at and maybe where I am going with current events.

The Point is that 1) Americans don't really share a common mind or binding agreement on the Future of the US 2) Americans don't share the same Education, History, Culture 3) Americans are polarized 4) Americans shout each other down, because they don't know how to have talks, discussions, debates, etc 5) The Dumbing Down of US Peoples is Real 6) Propaganda is Real 7) There are Classes based on Money 8) There are Classes based on Judgements like Physical Appearances 9) Judgements of Each Other Separate US People Politically

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

You are correct with 1), but there are absolutes human beings can agree upon if they take the time and respect the need for such agreement. 2) Is generally exactly the case. 3) Is true but something to work against, so 1) becomes the challenge. Finding the agreement. 4), well it suffers from a degree of distortion, but yes, I know exactly what you mean. What is important to note is that all forms of government basically, historically, indirectly encourage the problem you define. 5) Yes, the dumbing down started over 700 years ago AFTER the last time we smartened up enough to win the lost war and get the losers to sign the Magna Carta. 6) Yep, propaganda is the dominant form of info as well. 7) Yes, 8)Yes, 9) Yes. By engaging the challenge of 1) despite 2), 3), 4), 5), 6) 7), 8), 9) and finding those absolutes that are shared, and can be agreed upon; then agreeing upon them, 2), 3), 4), 5), 6) 7), 8), 9) can be nullified then reversed.

[-] 1 points by powertothepeople (1264) 2 years ago

Must be something crazy going on.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

Conspiracy facts drive deceived Americans to all sorts of cognitive distortions trying to dissociate what is so scary for them.

[-] 1 points by metapolitik (1110) 2 years ago

Fucking bots!

Oh well, at least that explains why so many trolls don't seem to pass the Turing test.

Time to stop calling them out as mere "trolls" and to start calling them out as TROLLBOTS!

[-] 1 points by e000 (371) 2 years ago

You know, I've shelved you as a complete tool in other conversations we've had, due to you making broad generalizations about me and twisting my words, but I have to say that 'cognitive dilution' is a tactic I believe is often employed. I didn't click on your links, due to a general lack of trust for you, and how pissed off you left me, but I will say that I believe these types of tactics, as esoteric and conspiracy-theory based as they may sound on the surface, are very functional and already used to steer popular opinion.

Solution to the problem is the best test because an infiltrator will never recognize it no matter how obvious it is.

That, and trying to make direct personal connections, ignoring the chaff, and focusing your time on those people you find to be real. Work with real people, ignore the rest. Create networks of "real people", establish connections - this is how to organize change without suffering from the effects of 'cognitive dilution' or other forms of mental "population sculpting".

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

ChristopherABrownart5 wrote:

Solution to the problem is the best test because an infiltrator will never recognize it no matter how obvious it is.END------

I can tell the logic of that pisses you off. It is 100% true all of the time. Step out of the opposition role and start thinking about solution. Watch the one hour video "CIRCA" linked from my video just to get an idea of what kind of records are missing and what they mean.-----

What you think is "real" is a custom designed wheel spinner. Popular thinking fueled by alt media misinformation which is how things have gotten as bad as they are.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

Not sure. Seems that education and experience in recognizing nwo cognitive infiltration is a VERY good thing. Otherwise, how are people going to know that who they are removing are trolls?----

There are lots of people that are seriously mislead, and, with facts, reason and comitment to providing verified facts, they can learn. Now we have an ally:) -

Consider, when all of that happens in front of an audience of real Americans, albeit, victims of nearly 100 years of dumbing down, they've learned something.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

ultimately, we can't win that game in a forum thats as disorderd as this one is.

we can wi nthat game on a wiki, which is why we must move over to one.

dilution in particular would happen even without trolls due to scrolling.

the organizational problems here are enormous and can only be resolved by a wiki.

agreed education about psi ops methods is critical, so, please post all of that information on the wiki.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

Hmmm, set a trap for the nwo, guess where they go? Elsewhere. Then, how do get the many people there that need to be there? We must go where the nwo are and burn them in public BECAUSE they control the media that brings the public as well as the large non profits the public follows. Their act will be exposed. Each time that is done, the public grows more aware of a dark, secret force working to deceive and mislead them. Right now, they don't realize that their ranks are infiltrated as deeply as they are.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

i don't make any sense of this. we need to get away from the NWO not set a trap for them just remove ourselves from their ability to troll us.

for this reason we have to get to a wiki. THIS site is actually part of the dumble down, its limited and disorganized on purpose.

some people do realize the level of infiltration. i do.

the obvious solution is to leave for greener pastures.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

gawdoftruth wrote: i don't make any sense of this. we need to get away from the NWO not set a trap for them just remove ourselves from their ability to troll us.END------

How do we know we are away from them? How do we know when they return and infiltrate with time wasting nonsense, distraction and confusion? Treason trap is how.---

We use the constitution to defend itself, when they oppose, its taking the role of an enemy and working for their interests, its treason.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

the best way to know if we are being infiltrated is to get so lucid that formal logic shines through the BS like a scouring light.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

The insectoid mentality, the hive is represented in the uncaring position taken by the nwo. Any human will be repulsed by that, when it is forced to show itself, and reject it.--

So you are 100% correct, a completely lucid grasp on logic that is based inthe natural law of the constitution. That grasp on biology by ordinary Americans, yes, it is scientific in nature, when concentrated, will make the infiltrators look like the pests they are.------

Article 5 simply makes a formal contract, that IF the federal government becomes so onerous in violation of constitutional principle, THEN all citizens have the right to ally through their states and amend the constitution. The sleazy lawyer mentality has learned how to manipulate the rules. Accordingly, we must bolster them with our lucis grasp on the intent of the constitution and amend the rules which enforces it.------

When you think of it, the unity to do anythign effective equals the unity to do this which IS a peaceful proposal for defacto rebellion built into social contract.

[-] 1 points by sassafrass (197) 2 years ago

I think you correctly perceive the tactics and the "uncaring" aspect of the bots who are posting hateful shit, but I believe you are incorrect as to who the actual source is and also about the country's best course of action. The truth is often simple, not grand. I don't believe there exists a malevolent master plan for the entire earth. What I perceive is some reactionary right-wingers who don't want to lose their property rights under the guidelines of the U.N.'s "Agenda 21" long-term focus on land-use and sustainability, which will involve some re-drawing of property lines. I am much more concerned with the wealthy right wing here in this country who are stockpiling gold and guns and trying to write laws to give themselves even more money. Again: here in this country. I believe they are creating a false bogeyman out of the "NWO" and making people point and look elsewhere while they are robbing people blind, right under our noses. Therefore, I do not think it wise to open up the Constitution to the slaughter of what will be done to it ---and to us--- so they can keep all their acres untouched.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

The term "open up the constitution is not an accurate one describing an article 5 convention. With common sense, it is first seen that ratification by 3/4 of the states leaves congress no voice. With that same common sense America needs to protect the purpose of free speech. Free speech is abridged and amending, the ultimate democratic action, requires facts media is NOT sharing and opinion forming capacity that is interfered with on private property forums.

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

I would have said there's a lot of noise here. You get used to it.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

Yes, lots of noise. I do not recomend getting used to noise like this. I recomend Americans realize when people are making noise just to disrupt, and then ignore them while engaging each other with facts, law, and real strategy for preserving our futures. This might require exposing the infiltrations first, an education in itself.

[-] 1 points by bootsy3000 (180) 2 years ago

Imagine my dad, who is a good guy who knows tons about civics and government and finance, is reading your post. He will have no idea what you are talking about. Is there a way to state your beef more clearly other than posting a half a dozen links that sound like the keening of someone worried about the black helicopters? HOnestly, I'm pretty smart, not super smart, but I am finding it very difficult to follow your fear/complaint.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

Well. you've failed to even notice the constitution, or violations of it, so your father hasn't been doing his job of teaching. Have him read this and explain it to you.-

Article. V.

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

A person has to understand Article V first. Here are some ordinary people that understood it on 9/25/11 at a Harvard conference.--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-7ikbvu0Y8

[-] 1 points by bootsy3000 (180) 2 years ago

No no, just say it, in your own words.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

Article 5 is our first constitutional right. By use of it, Americans can democratically control the federal government. The constitution can only be enforced by amendment under the several states power.---

Article. V.

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

The psyops includes technological subterfuge. TechJunkie posting here can do so with leaving a "reply" link on his post. Here are screen shots. Of course you can see at least one below.

http://i52.tinypic.com/2ho9svb.jpg http://i54.tinypic.com/2nsxcab.jpg

[-] 1 points by sudoname (1001) from Berkeley, CA 2 years ago

Interesting stuff. Implement the turing test while taking the gandhi approach to argumentation.

But we are not sheep anymore. The sheep got brains and hard heads.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

Very good! The testing method we need to employ is documented, the Turing Test. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test Brains with bodies that have absolute needs can cease to be sheep controlled by their needs, met by corporations, and assemble under their constitution to support and defend it by use of it.

Article V convention NOW!

[-] 1 points by RichardGates (1529) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

this site is fine the way it is. if you are looking for a more constructive environment go http://www.plainsite.org and share the link. get others involved and educated. the site is not mine but was posted a few days ago.

[-] 2 points by ribis (240) 2 years ago

As the first thing a lot of people see coming to OWS, this so-called forum is an absolute trainwreck. No visible moderation, no topic/thread rating, no means for the ordinary folk to drown out the software and wetware trolls.

A lot of people are hitting this mountain of steaming crap and are losing confidence. Others come, see a few troll posts about Jews and Communism, and smugly think they've discovered some evil root of the movement.

This glorified chat box has no business being the main forum linked from the front page of OWS. It's getting worse by the day, and it needs some attention.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

Cognitive infiltrations that are secret need sophisticated people in agreement to expose. So this is the best we can do to expose it, right where everybody can see it.

http://algoxy.com/poly/nwo_cognitive_infiltration.html

[-] 1 points by RichardGates (1529) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

join there open source community then and stop complaining. can you write scripts? i can, but i like it the way it is. :)

[-] 1 points by ribis (240) 2 years ago

No, I don't know Python. Not everyone here was a CS major. That doesn't disqualify me from raising a complaint. This forum fails to implement straightforward user-management features. Nevertheless, it's the first OWS discussion site a lot of people reach, and half the content is from trolls. This is a problem.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

Hmmmmm, this is not about the site, it is about infiltrations and they occur everywhere. What is your intent?

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

Only the collection? What use do you intend to put it to?

[-] 1 points by RichardGates (1529) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

if i can actually get a good size sample it will help organize the way things are discussed and may be worth turning over to the media and the nyc GA. until then it's just a spreadsheet.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

"the way things are discussed" Well, that is a beginning. Consider that if there is no strategy, anything can be discussed, logical solution is not needed in discussion and as long as no viable solution is discussed, the nwo is safe.

[-] 1 points by RichardGates (1529) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

this guy is also doing something http://plainsite.org it would be really cool if you could help spread these links.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

Yes, useful info, but again, it is about law BUT provides no lawful means and strategy to accomplish its implied goal of gaining constitutional courts.

[-] 1 points by madeinusa (393) 2 years ago

It's Time to GET MONEY OUT of politics:

http://www.getmoneyout.com/

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

True, please post a way to do that which is going to be universally legal and acceptable to America.

[-] 1 points by bootsy3000 (180) 2 years ago

Personally, I am a big fan of the proposal for the 28th Amendment. Get the states to call a constitutional convention and then adopt it there, bypassing Congress (who will surely not like the $100 cap on all political giving.) It effectively deals with the Supreme Court conundrum, too. http://www.wolf-pac.com/28th

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

Yep, that is a valid process. In some ways I like the grass roots potentials for candidates that actually have common sense plans that serve the people under the constitution that comes with the $100 max.----

You totally have the concept when you say, "bypassing Congress".

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

The second part is in this post because the site software told me, "comment to long jerk", what is with that? It taks LOTS of vaild content to counter the "dumbing down".

2) Confusory and distractive posting: Basically the confusion is misinformation that is rallied back and forth as if it is good info. Usually lots of edgy social terms are employed which make the posters look real. This is a social psyops. A real human being will not be able to get a reasonable response in that thread to questions, even if the infiltrator responds personally. Misinfo might stand up to the first salvo of scrutiny and investigation but will fail after 2 or 3 exchanges.

Here is an example of perhaps an automated infiltration of this forum. See the posts of WorkingClassAntiHero. Typically usernames of infiltrators have a classic rebel or other socially edgy association. http://occupywallst.org/forum/we-need-to-fight-the-source-not-the-symptom/

I have others, but need to find the link. Critically, actions are not solution. Solution engages aspects of the government that it has a duty to perform serving solution of the peoples problems. In the above thread we find a poster with no solution, a dirt bag attitude, bashing solution. This is quite typical. Escalated, another infiltrator shows up with academic terms, mumbo jumbo, not actually related at the final analysis, but appeared authoritative and credible.--------

There is a 3rd form, but I've learned that is a serious red pill for most of you, so I'm not going there now. As long as the facts cannot be recognized by real people, I'm not going to let the infiltrators diminish the potentials of it in the forum by bringing it up until real people who are committed and sincere can recognize what they are doing. Basically cognitive infiltration depends on perceived social relationships being more important than facts. Cognitive distortions have been invisibly taught through television over 4 decades via sitcoms, game shows, and soap operas, they are adopted and elevated by personalities in many areas of television broadcast as if they were real human logic, they are not.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

You are a hilarious embodiment of what Charlotte Iserbyt was talking about when she wrote her book about the deliberate "dumbing down" of America. You really do need to read the author that you're going around quoting.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

I don't think that it would have any more info than the original source Norman Dodd. www.realityzone.com/hiddenagenda2.html Actually, not all of every book is worth reading, but some parts of some books are so supportive they are worth quoting.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

If you're using a book as a citation to back your cognitive infiltration conspiracy theory, then don't you think that you should at least read it first? And possibly even check out its references? Or at least the references that you're regurgitating? You can read the book for free. You'll love it, I promise.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

I've addressed the fact that the books info supports that the "dumbing down" was logically preparation for cognitive infiltration.

What you have failed to is show that you have any feasible solution for any of the issues and problem you supposedly support. Your failure shows you are against the constitution, because what I'm doing is trying to use the consitutution to support and defend itself.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

Constitution? Where did that come from? Aren't you the one who is against the constitution? You're the one who wants to modify it.

The book does indeed say that the "dumbing down" has been in preparation for an indoctrination program. You should read it some time.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

The book will tell me nothing new, it simply supports that the dumbing down took place. All I'm doing is trying to use my FIRST constitutional right.

Uhh, maybe you are so dumb, pretending you don't understand (lol), to demonstrate to others to be so dumb, that none can understand, that "in support and defense of the constitution" means I am required to do this under law. Your intention is obviously against the constitution as your actions show.

Article. V.

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

How can you know what the book that you're quoting says if you haven't read it?

Your proposal to revise the First Amendment could be seen as evidence of the effort that Isebyrt writes about, aiming to encourage,"tolerance, situational ethics and consensus." You really should consider reading her book, especially if you're going to go around quoting it as evidence of your theories.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

Stick with technology. There is not one mother or father in this nation that would pass or ignore the real opportunity to assure their child grows in a nation that holds high and honors the human attributes of; foregiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love, which will protect theis childs life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

[-] 0 points by RexDiamond (585) from Idabel, OK 2 years ago

Talk about conspiracy theorists.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

As if conspiracies did not kill millions, as if there were not conspiracy facts. Posting in service to the infiltrators intentions and AGAINST those defending always looks like a treasonous position. Particuarly when using no facts in attempts to oppose defenses.

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[-] 0 points by ChristopherABrownART5 (46) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

It's pretty clear that an infiltration of people who do not support the constitution, do not support fairness and democracy have been working to dilute this forum to the point where there is more nonsense than anything else. Unfortunately the sincere here cannot seem to see the consistentcy of the infiltrators and unify around something that will protect the protestors like the US constitution.-----

It has protected them to a large degree even while they did not know by using the rights it grants, they are actually silently supporting it. If they knew they were supporting it they could say so, cite the fact that congress has been in violation of the constittuion for 100 years and thereby become more legal than law enforcement working to evict them.-----

Accordingly one must ask why this simple concept is not utilized? What is the social structure that prevents a recognition of what can be commonly demonstrated?

[-] 1 points by sassafrass (197) 2 years ago

^ I think this is a bot message. This is right in line with all the bots ready to rip the Constitution into shreds and take us back to the plantations.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

Can you direct me to "bots ready to rip the Constitution into shreds" which sounds like a cognitive distortion of 4. Minimizing: and 2. Over generalization:

COGNITIVE DISTORTIONS

  1. All or nothing thinking: Things are placed in black or white categories. If things are less than perfect self is viewed as failure.
  2. Over generalization: Single event is viewed as continuous failure.
  3. Mental filter: Details in life (positive or negative) are amplified in importance while opposite is rejected.
  4. Minimizing: Perceiving one or opposite experiences (positive or negative) as absolute and maintaining singularity of belief to one or the other.
  5. Mind reading: One absolutely concludes that others are reacting positively or negatively without investigating reality.
  6. Fortune Telling: Based on previous 5 distortions, anticipation of negative or positive outcome of situations is established
  7. Catastrophizing: Exaggerated importance of self's failures and others successes.
  8. Emotional reasoning: One feels as though emotional state IS reality of situation
  9. "Should" statements: Self imposed rules about behavior creating guilt at self inability to adhere and anger at others in their inability to conform to self's rules.
  10. Labeling: Instead of understanding errors over generalization is applied.
  11. Personalization: Thinking that the actions or statements of others are a reaction to you.
  12. Entitlement: Believing that you deserve things you have not earned.
[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 2 years ago

Good Job with this posting.

I was trying to remember where I might have posted something similar about Cognitive Errors based on my memory of Dr. David Burns Book "Feeling Good".

You did a better job than I did. I'm saving this for a file some where.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

Glad you like it! It is actually an exercise in a technique for exposing cognitive infiltrators.

When you are faced with a dishonest argument and you know it, but you're not sure where it is weakest, examine the list to see how each might apply. The infiltrators, which could easily be operating bots, just as they might accuse others of, cannot work against their agenda, so must retreat from reason which exposes their effort to distort the matters of discussion.

Cognitive distortions that are used in discussion can serve a proper purpose, but ONLY when used to enhance understanding. They are never proper when used in deceit or manipulation

The list is an actual tool used in cognitive therapy by psychologists which is used here to "reverse engineer" how the infiltrator intends to cause the reading viewer to think differently than what is correct or logical within critical thinking that is comprehensive based in facts.

[-] 0 points by ChristopherABrownART5 (46) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

The application of cognitive distortions applied indicates the poster is attempting to cause fear and minimalize the difficulty that is found in doing what is suggested. Which is why people who know article 5 actually talk about it.--

And of course those actually defending it post facts.

Article V conference, Mark Meckler Lawrence Lessig at harvard 9/25/11-video comments http://vimeo.com/31464745

Lessig power point on article V http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gpbfY-atMk

Lots of facts here about Article V. http://algoxy.com/poly/article_v_convention.html

[-] 1 points by sassafrass (197) 2 years ago

Damn right I'm trying to cause fear. At least INITIAL fear so people realize the gravity of what they might be nodding to. I am not nixing the idea out of hand, just saying it's something to be very, very careful with. There are valid reasons why this hasn't been done since our country's inception. Folks, here's a practical bit of advice for you: it's never a good sign when someone tries to shame you out of asking questions and having healthy skepticism. Skepticism is a healthy survival instinct. Do your own research. btw, there are many who disagree with Lessig, he is but one talking head out of many. Search around for a range of opinions from whatever sources you trust. Do your own research and don't be rushed by ANYONE pushing for a change involving TREMENDOUS risks without having the chance to investigate it thoroughly. Keep an open mind to possibility, but know damn well what you might be signing up for. That's all.

[-] 1 points by sassafrass (197) 2 years ago

The power to change the constitution might be used for good or it might be used for evil. Some might want to make an amendment to redefine corporate personhood, someone else might want to make an amendment to bring back slavery. You don't know until it's done what the outcome would be. I am saying that there are those with good intentions and those with bad ones. That risk is a basic fact. Form an educated opinion and decide for yourself if you think the benefits outweigh the risks or vice versa.

[-] 0 points by ChristopherABrownART5 (46) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

Here is one with Mark Meckler, a Tea Partier.-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-7ikbvu0Y8

Shame on you for thinking I'm a bot. A bot will NEVER discuss article 5, they are controlled by the governmental infiltration.----

Do you realize the only risk is our level of confusion or disunity?

Do you realize the fears are created by ignoring that ratification is what amends, not the proposal for amendment? As corrupt as our congress is, I'll bet they don't know how corrupt they are. Meaning the actual attempt at creating a "runaway"will not have the participation that those creating such fears suggest.

Coming from your position, you've forgotten to assert the quality human perceptions you have that are separate of that fear. You do not acknowledge that others have some of the same perceptions. Meaning there is untapped agreement between you and the rest of the people in this nation.-

WHAT IF; there were a strategy that eliminated that ignorance of exsiting natural agreement or eliminated the chance of a "runaway" convention?----

Would you recognize that your core human values, that are shared EVEN with those who will never come to the table to agree with you, are served when communication upon them is conducted and the realm of agreement entered?

[-] 0 points by ChristopherABrownART5 (46) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

TechJunkie is running a governmental cognitive infiltration/psyops here that I recognize from earlier forum work. He's copied and pasted exchanges between himself and people in Santa Barbara trying to confuse the 2 by association. Notice, you will not find my name, Christopher A. Brown (skype), in the text used.---

It's very important for the infiltration to not promote my identity.

http://forum.talknightlife.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&p=144983

Notice that the human attributes of; foregiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love, protecting life, lberty and the pursuit of happiness, are basically being put down.-----

Humanity is de evolving when those attirbutes are diminished in anyway.