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Forum Post: Pandemic Speculation

Posted 6 months ago on March 17, 2020, 7:40 a.m. EST by elf3 (4187)
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Instead of freeze rents and mortgages and quarantine the public as our government falsely ensures youth that young people aren't dying when other countries are telling us - yes young people are in fact dying from the disease (healthy ones) - banks and investors are plotting to buy our homes underneath us while we are forced out of work by the dying economy or perhaps dying ourselves. Our system is sick.

Young people - your government is lying to you to keep you working so the rich have time to pull their stocks and escape onto their rafts. Remember Titanic? Young healthy people can get sick and die from this. They already are. You are just serving them their dinner and playing the music for them as they head to safety before you drown on the fluid in your lungs.

truth = # they are getting away and signing your death warrants as you serve them

And to American journalists - since when did it become your job to prevent a panic? (or coddle the stock market?) Your number one job and your only job and principle as journalists as far as I'm concerned is to provide the TRUTH. Have you lost sight of this and your journalistic integrity? The American system was born on journalism and truth being the main check and balance on our system of government. Perhaps government has always been corrupt. but the WRITERS - they used to be pure. Journalism is failing now bunch of sell outs.



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[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 months ago

''Origin of COVID-19: Ecological, Historical and Geopolitical Perspective''

A long read, which ends ... ''Whether the virus emerged due to accidental release from ostensibly well-meaning but dangerous researches on highly pathogenic organisms or due to a secret biowarfare act is not clear. From the available information so far, it is more likely that there was probably an accidental release of the virus from a laboratory engaged in “biodefense” (biowarfare) research. It is also not clear where exactly this laboratory might be.

''The experience with “emerging” infectious diseases like SARS, MERS, Ebola and others should have given humanity sufficient lessons to adequately prevent and manage COVID-19. Perhaps official explanations of the origin of these emerging infectious diseases and existing medical guidelines and modalities on how to manage them are fundamentally flawed. If the existing paradigm is mistaken, then the current practices in the management of the pandemic are also flawed and perhaps more importantly, preventive measures to forestall future pandemics will also be flawed. All theories, including the so-called “conspiracy theories,” that might offer rational explanations must be examined and investigated seriously without pre-judgement. The precautionary principle should be the norm in the assessment of risks. A truly independent international investigative group should be organized to do this.! ALSO FYI ...

respice, adspice; prospice ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 months ago

''America First, COVID-19 Pandemic and Global Humanity'', by Mahboob A. Khawaja, PhD.

which ends - ''We desperately need to re-organize our thoughts and genius for unity and coordination to pool the humanitarian resources to fill the political gaps of egoism and anarchy between inept patriotism and its global outreach to restructure our policies and practices, to extend humanitarian help to all those who needed most, not the weapons of mass destruction, not the claims of individual greatness, but new revitalized sense of One Humanity ready to protect the present and future of human civilizations.''

dum spiro, spero ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 months ago

''It's no accident Britain and America are the world's biggest coronavirus losers'' - by Nesrine Malik:

''Even before the pandemic hit, both nations had been stripped of the people and systems required to respond effectively.'' & ''As the bodies pile up, the failure of the US and the UK will be somehow spun into victory. The triumphalism will intensify; that is certain. So, the only question now is how many will continue to believe it?''

veritas vos liberabit!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 months ago

"CoronaVirus may Kill ‘No More Than 3.4% of Our Population’ says Upbeat GOP Senator"! - by: Jonathan Chait:


[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 months ago

"The Anti-Vax Movement’s Radical Shift From Crunchy Granola Purists to - Far-Right Crusaders" by Keira Butler:

as "Since the start of the pandemic, suspicion of the government has converged with a broad refusal to accept scientific evidence - one that has been enabled by President Trump &, it’s given the groups new points of reference: They have railed against Shelter-In-Place orders & masks. And in these radicalized spaces, misinformation thrives. Members share articles about how to cure the virus with vitamin C, and they pass around conspiracy videos like “Plandemic,” which argues that Covid virus is a moneymaking scheme perpetrated by an exclusive group of elites. Some individuals, speculate there is no virus at all.

"Members of Facebook anti-vax groups now regularly post pro-Trump messages and videos.The group "Michigan for Vaccine Choice" shared a Trump campaign video that reassures voters that the president wouldn’t force Americans to get a coronavirus vaccine once it’s developed.The group "Indiana Coalition for Vaccine Choice" invited users to a Memorial Day “Freedom Rally” cosponsored by the Conservative Alliance and the local chapter of the tea party. And many groups are littered with references to "QAnon" the conspiracy theory group, whose adherents believe, among other things, that a secretive elite group wants to unseat Trump."

Two linked articles that warrant the time it'll take to read them but I am recommending both of them now.

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23316) 3 months ago

The Anti-Vax movement and QAnon conspiracy nonsense re. Covid is just capitalism at work again.

People think they're onto something cool, something anti-establishment, something healthy and better for them, but really, once again, they're simply being exploited by profiteers who have figured out how to pander to their fear!

From the Ali Bheland article:

"Ghafari says some skepticism of the medical community is a natural reaction to a history of groups being spurned and ignored, pointing to communities of color who have been mistreated by the medical system. But she noted what’s happening in wellness influencer circles, which are often dominated by well-off white people, as something different.

“When I see this behavior happening, there’s a level of fear going on, particularly in the white community. They feel out of control, they don’t know who to trust, and it’s manifested in this manner,” she said. Ironically, their pronouncements create new problems by spreading harmful, untrustworthy misinformation to large groups of followers. “It’s distributing,” she said."

And the complete lack of respect for science, from the 1st article:

"The Trump administration has actively encouraged this kind of science denial: Doctors and scientists are intellectuals to be regarded with suspicion. By May 2019, Trump himself had publicly attacked science 100 times by Scientific American’s count. And the coronavirus has thrown a spark into that powder keg, as Americans watch scientists learn about the disease in real time, sometimes making big mistakes publicly. “Now it’s clear that science is messy,” Reich said. “If you’re being told you can’t go to a grocery store without a mask, and you’re reading conflicting reports, it becomes easy to question the validity of science.”

Why does Trump do this? Because it creates chaos and he can rule in chaos. He cannot rule in order. Because when things are ordered it becomes so obvious how fkng out of place he is.

Americans don't mind being stupid and ripped off as long as in their minds they are superior and right about everything, even if they're being taken. Ignorance is bliss.

Thanks for these excellent articles and for all the work you do.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 months ago

"Trump Hammers Cuba While Cuba Cures the Sick!"..by Medea Benjamin:

Had to link to that article after reading it. Thanx for your excellent excerpts and

points above & for your support and encouragement. Solidarity to U and yours.

pax, amor et lux ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23316) 3 months ago

Trump: Slow down Covid testing. He says this to benefit himself to make it appear that there are fewer cases then there actually are.

"During a campaign rally in Tulsa, Okla. on Saturday, U.S. President Donald Trump told thousands of supporters he had asked U.S. officials to slow down testing for the novel coronavirus, calling it a “double-edged sword” that led to more cases being discovered."

This is actual evil doing. It is reprehensible behavior and it shows no respect for the 120000 plus Americans who have died from Covid and their families, many of whom, as we know, are people of color.



Trump is a very sick puppy and those that follow him, not much better.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

"Seven States report record COVID19 hospitalisations" by Helen Sullivan:

"Dr Anthony Fauci warns of ‘disturbing surge’ in cases; China gets approval for human trial of vaccine; first death in Australia for a month." + From your BI link ...

"States like Florida, Oklahoma, Arizona, Arkansas, and South Carolina have seen upticks in new cases. According to NPR, there was a 185% increase in new cases in Oklahoma as of Monday morning compared with two weeks ago. South Carolina saw a 156% increase, and Arizona saw a 145% increase.

"Arkansas, Oregon, Florida, and Nevada all had increases of more than 100% compared with two weeks ago, while Louisiana, Alabama, Tennessee, North Carolina, and Utah had increases between 39 and 60%."


[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23316) 1 month ago

COVID is surging in 30 states!


Unbelievable mismanagement! Criminal! Thousands are dying unnecessarily.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 month ago

"Trump Isn’t “Failing” on COVID Testing. He’s Carrying Out a Brutal Plan"! by Wm Rivers-Pitt:

From which ... "The Republican-controlled Senate went home today after once again failing to come up with a compromise stimulus package to help the millions of people whose lives are falling apart around them because of the pandemic. There is still no emergency unemployment benefit - even as 1.2 million new unemployment claims were announced this morning.

"One of the many looming side effects of mass unemployment, is the potential for mass evictions. The longer Congress waits to help people who are about to Lose Their Homes ... the more likely it is that a terrifying number of people will be put out on the street.

"Losing a home or being forced to move makes it much harder to vote - the change of address, perhaps no address at all, could leave many people unable to cast a ballot in November.

"Cui Bono? At this point, you don’t even have to ask."


[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 weeks ago

"Trump’s New COVID Adviser Is Pushing Herd Immunity, Which Some Liken to Eugenics" by Sharon Zhang:

"The strategy would involve letting COVID-19 spread nearly unmitigated - which could cause over a million deaths!"

sic transit gloria mundi!

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 3 months ago

King flu is indeed very contagious. It's lighting up the red states so that they become gloriously red. Beware of the Big Red Dog looking for a carcass.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 months ago

So "If Trump Declares Martial Law due to Coronavirus, can he then Suspend the Election?"


[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 months ago

''American Idiot - A Running List of The Dumbest things Trump has said about the CoronaVirus!''

''Welcome to a new kind of tension, all across the alien nation, where everything isn't meant to be okay!''

verum ex absurdo?!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 months ago

''Surveillance Will Outlast The Pandemic! Edward Snowden’s Warning'' by "CPH: DOX''

"Giving the government access to biometrics could open up alarming new ways for governments to spy on citizens," Snowden said. "They already know what you're looking at on the internet" - he said. "They already know where your phone is moving. Now they know what your heart rate is & what your pulse is. What happens when they start to mix these and apply artificial intelligence to it?''

''Protecting Americans where they live - ought to be the national security priority of our time. The existing national security state is incapable of fulfilling that imperative, while its leaders, fixated on waging distant wars, have yet to even accept that they have a responsibility to do so. Worst of all .. even in this election year, no one on the national political scene appears to recognize the danger now fully at hand.''

hmmmm et qui custodiet ipsos custodes?!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 months ago

“Please take this because I love you and I might die” : A COVID Tale'' ... by William Rivers Pitt:

''As COVID-19 makes its burn through the population - emblems of life and love are being hurriedly handed from one generation down to the next.''

momento mori - sed fiat justitia ruat caelum!

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23316) 5 months ago

So sad but also so beautiful.

Folks are giving away their most treasured items in case they die of COVID 19.

"It is treasure, the greatest walking stick of all time, and now it is mine because my mother wanted to give it to me in case she died of COVID-19.

I wonder how many exchanges like this are happening right now across the country, and the world, as COVID-19 makes its burn through the population. How many trinkets, necklaces, old coins, letters, journals, simple items of no real worth that are treasures nonetheless, like my grandfather’s blackthorn shillelagh, how many emblems of life and love are being hurriedly handed from one generation down to the next. No ceremony, no note taken of the import of the exchange, merely a “Here,” like a baton passed in full flight.

Please take this, because I love you and I might die.

Have you had that conversation?" From truthout above.

Love is the only way, it is the only thing that matters.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 months ago

In the dark daze of a Global Pandemic,

All I'll say now is - Please Don't Panic!

If it's a choice btwn "Fear and Love"

Then, I choose to be a Fierce Dove..

As I can't choose btwn 'Tragic & Magic'!

oremus ... ommmm ~*~

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23316) 4 months ago

We can change after COVID19 to make the world a better place. We can see it happening. We can drive our cars less, we can work from home more, work fewer hours, spend more time with our families, buy less shit, eat locally produced foods, eat less meat. This is doable and it would heal not only us but our planet as well.

From https://truthout.org/articles/coronavirus-shows-us-what-our-future-could-look-like-during-climate-crisis/ :

"It would be wise for our society to stay conscious throughout our response to the COVID-19 pandemic that — if approached in the right way — the overlapping of the two issues might mean that relief measures for the pandemic might end up helping society prepare for or even mitigate the climate crisis. Astronomical hospital bills for uninsured COVID-19 patients make the case for policies like Medicare for All; a logical response to coming massive layoffs is a green jobs guarantee or a Green Stimulus package. Vox climate writer David Roberts recently wrote that “the moral logic of coronavirus, if we’re willing to heed it, leads to more socialism.” Coronavirus, like climate, isn’t just about a singular crisis — it’s about multiple crises, stacked on top of each other, all at once. Those with continual exposure to air pollution are likely to be more vulnerable to the effects of coronavirus.

“Coronavirus has made so clear that global issues can’t be easily categorized as just a health issue or just an environmental issue,” says Dahl. “They really encompass our broader economy and encompass or entire social systems and ways of life.” Though Dahl isn’t confident that the pandemic will actually translate into broad public understanding of the scale of the global response needed for the climate crisis, she hopes that they will at least grasp some key lessons.

“It really has shined a spotlight on some of the ways that our society is not working, particularly not working for people in vulnerable groups,” says Dahl."

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 months ago

So, "This State in India Shows Us Why Fighting COVID-19 Requires Working-Class Power"- by Samantha Agarwal:

ad iudicium!

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23316) 4 months ago

Collectivism overcomes Covid 19. It's simple as that, people working together and caring for one another can overcome the pandemic. No amount of profit will have any bearing. It is up to the people and working people for that matter.

I loved this article because it shows how the human spirit can come together and overcome. It is just one example but it's quite beautiful. We can all strive to be like Kerala imho:


"Thinking on its feet, the district administration culled data from the family’s phones and from CCTV cameras in the area. Based on that, it developed a detailed flow chart of all of the exact locations visited by the patients along with approximate dates and times. The flow chart was then widely circulated on social media along with a hotline for those who may have come into contact with the family. The hundreds of calls the administration received in the days that followed helped it plug the gaps in the flow chart."

"Kerala’s approach to pandemic relief offers valuable lessons not only for India but also — perhaps especially — for advanced capitalist countries which have been hit the hardest by the outbreak."

"The state has also taken a number of important macro-level measures to curb the economic and mental hardships faced by the general population. A ₹20,000 crore ($2.6 billion) stimulus package announced on March 19 is enabling the early distribution of elder pensions, midday meals for low-income children and food grain rations for everyone respective of their economic status. It is also funneling ₹2,000 crore ($261.4 million) into a fund controlled by the Kudumbashree Mission to distribute low-interest loans, and ₹1,000 crore ($130.7 million) to bolster the state-run Rural Employment Guarantee Scheme. And while the state is not undeserving of criticism for its treatment of the most precarious section of its workers — migrant laborers — it has, still, outperformed the rest of the country. Data recently obtained from the Home Ministry showed that Kerala, which constitutes merely 2.76 percent of the Indian population, has set up 69 percent (over 4,000) of the nation’s relief camps and shelters for migrant workers."

"The Kerala experience offers a valuable lesson to the U.S. left: Medicare for All — let alone a Sanders-type presidency — would be tremendously limited without militant working-class participation at all levels of society. Kerala’s impressive social-democratic achievements, including its battle against COVID-19 were undergirded by the robust participation of ordinary people. As we assess the post-Sanders landscape, the correct strategic question is not how to avoid descent into movementism at the expense of electoralism, but how can we build up independent movements which can act as levers for progressive electoral candidates, so that the best of Sanders’s policies may succeed."

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 months ago

Historically Kerala was a matrilinear society & with a "Communist" influenced polity - it had highest the highest literacy levels in India & these factors, as well its very good primary healthcare means Keralan society has Social Resilience. Thanx for your substantive excerpts above & also fyi, consider:

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23316) 2 months ago

Flattening the Covid curve in Kerala, India.


"The reason Kerala has managed to come out the other side so quickly is because of its strong public health system, clear risk communication and community participation."

"A severe lockdown was implemented before the national one: schools were shut, gatherings were banned, a stricter and longer quarantine than the national norm was deployed, and a few pious people who still insisted on praying in groups were even arrested. But this iron-fist approach was matched by socially valuable outreach policies. Supplies were home-delivered, midday meals from schools were sent to children even when schools were shut, regular and clear communication channels were established to dispel fake news, migrant labourers from other states were well taken care of, and mental health helplines were established across the state. The “break the chain” campaign to limit the Covid-19 spread was particularly successful."

Contrast this with America where we have "freedumb" or "freedom to be dumb" as our Covid cases rise out of control with Americans preferring to spread the virus that, yes, is mild for most, but leads to brutal death for some. Over 130000 deaths at this point and over 200000 projected.


[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

Meanwhile "Trump Now Has Free Rein to Cook the Books When It Comes to COVID"..by William River-Pitt:

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23316) 4 weeks ago

Masks can save 70,000 lives.


Pretty darn simple. Trump just doesn't care or have the will to make this the law.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 days ago
[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 3 weeks ago

Perhaps CoViD-19 emissions could already be regulated under the existing Clean Air Act. One needs to remember always that it's our states which delegated some of their authorities to our federal government, not the other way around.

We went gravely wrong in this pandemic largely because our federal government doesn't know what its proper role is ( its civics knowledge is sorely missing.) It's not a superstate above or just yet another state beside our fifty states. It was created by the states to serve their common interests and solve interstate problems. It should lead by service, neither by lordship nor by kinship. Other countries which have already been really fucked up failed at recognizing this point. How did Redfuckgina lose so many decades of potential development relative to the other predominantly Chinese territories/states in East Asia, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Singapore, which are all well-off societies? One word explains it: "Secretary" [of the Central Military Committee] became "Emperor." Instead of providing service, Mao became His Majesty. This centralization-created lordship permitting abuse of power lies at the crux of the failure of Marxism, Stalinism, Maoism, Leninism, Communism, Socialism, etc. worldwide. Some Socialist countries are in fact the happiest and most well-off ones in the whole world but they have Socialism's practices serving their people instead of Socialism's lordship driving the people. Look up who sets the agenda in these happy countries. Regardless of how the agenda is actually carried out, be it a king, queen, prime minister, president, or chancellor, the setter is "the people !"

Working hard may well turn after a long while ( as absolute power corrupts absolutely ) into hardly working once the drivers have become alienated from the workers. Karl Marx did get alienation correct but during the evolution to Communism, the usurpers hijacked the centralized means of production--Communism has never been achieved and probably never will be. What the effort to realize it produced, was cumbersome bureaucracies for "redistribution," gruesome all-time-record tortures/deaths of tens of millions of people, and dejected people locked in the fear of families, friends, and neighbors spying upon and reporting them to the authority, with everything politicized. One who knows everything must keep at least one eye and probably the mouth shut--in Christianity, it's called Grace--or one can practice: "Don't know. Can't tell." I hope that the U.S. doesn't go down this stupid path purportedly to Communism via Socialism, but actually to the ash heap of history.

We have Russian-style management by installing "the toilet of shame" and blocking the sewage pipe to extract payments. Cloaca Maxima was plugged up just like in bygone but not bygone Soviet era, on Christmas Eve, with bucket after bucket of sewage overflow from the bathroom and kitchen for Yo Momma ( with Yo-Yo Ma virtuosity? ) to throw out through the balcony. It's an Act of Man, the Word made fresh by the Creator, with every breath you take ( hopefully, you are "on top of the situation" [as a royal jockey] in a "Happy Valley" harem. Wearing masks can turn "Gonorrhea Raceway" into the "Happy Valley" raceway, much beloved by many of the [British Colonial] Overlords, some probably members of the Royal Hong Kong Jockey Club.)

Here's a potentially useful for future defense historical narrative about the Battle of Hong Kong, fought against the Imperial Japanese Army. Glory to H.K. Vaginal-Line prostitutes for yielding partisan bioresistance !

Now I understand why Dad was talking about the unused condoms of the U.S. servicemen in occupied Japan and Mom was freaked out after she had found a few in my heavy-leather tote bag with a very strong heavy-leather shoulder strap which I later on bolted it broken near an attachment buckle. The occupying Americans didn't completely trust the Japanese not waging a post-surrender sex war. Men were in the "services" and they were issued military rations of condoms. Unused condoms usually meant either "Johnny" was an incel or he went raw ( i.e. [rudely] hatless in fraternization; U.S. Presidents all wore hats until John F. Kennedy came into the orifice.)

The tacit hoopla/concern back then was about/for the latter. Dad said that the average Japanese height postwar was much increased by the ¿massive? infusion of American semen ( the increase in height was probably due to the phenomenon called "hybrid vigor"--e.g. Obama was very much taller than either one of his alter racial parents; it was his tallness, sporting a fairly big round afro haircut, and being clad in a head-to-black-shoe-toe completely black attire { with the long-sleeved turtleneck sweater on top and black socks } which had caught my eyes as he smartly bounced up the steps.) He believed that the Japanese authority solicited for and encouraged the hybridization.

Grandma connected me to being in the "services" and wearing masks.

Our likely future President, Kamala Harris, politically attacked private U.S. charity's sending tons of Personal Protective Equipment { likely at our State Department's behest } to China, showed terrible judgment or worse by catering to the baser nationalist political instincts of Californicans when the pandemic engulfed the U.S. after Red China had de facto weaponized it to fly to the entire world; it's "conduct unbecoming of an officer," though not the only holder of an office who needs to be taught a very hard lesson similar to that taught to the British by an equivalent of the so-called Gonorrhea Raceway of Hong Kong: "Looking out for national interests may require global engagement".

Redfuckgina has been killing our planet, with its greatly increased CO2 emissions and its governing Communist Party kicking U.S. in the teeth { by banning U.S. company 3M from exporting its PPE production to U.S., banning all domestic flights but allowing international flights to proceed over the Chinese New Year holidays to spread the disease worldwide while peddling "no-community-spread" through the probably bribed World Health Organization's leadership: the Wuhan number of suspected cases of 48 and the case history of Germany's first CoViD-19 death showed the cover-up of the existence of communal and near-asymptomatic person-to-person spread } after we had tried to help Wuhan frontline medical people to fight and contain CoViD-19 spread; it means we m u s t g o t o w a r to defend Spaceship Earth by home-cleansing--i.e. setting many fires to create a fire barrier to contain the great bonfire of the vain Redfuckgina ( which even started a conspiracy theory that U.S. servicemen brought the virus there while blocking any investigation into the origin of the novel virus.) Australia was the leader pushing for an investigation so Redfuckgina went after Australia economically.

Who's more fitting and capable of setting many fires worldwide than Donald J. Trump? His presidential record proves his fitness to start fires worldwide, as he said on "The Apprentice": "You are fired !"

Globalist idiot Biden has buckled to corporatists to import more H1B workers ( benefiting Californica's nouveau riche via cheap teleimports after H1Bs' U.S. training. U.S. gets no taxes from Indian workers since we have no tariffs on teleimports; U.S. ends up as Detroit.) More H1Bs is bad for our people already out of work.

Even my kid learnt from the Applenlice and in a scolding tone fired three people ( two minders and the store clerk ) after gleefully hopping onto and spinning around a few times upon the cushy tall-back black executive chair in the office furniture store. The fired store clerk's jaw dropped.

Not every minder could be fired, though. Just ask the near-forever-Prince Charles ( or anyone else who has parents ) -- he'll forever be the Queen's baby in Her Majesty's eyes, no matter how old he gets.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 months ago

''The Other Potential Coronavirus Catastrophe No One Is Talking About''! - from ''The Canary'', UK:

''The US situation:

''Currently, the Centre for Disease Control (CDC) in the US is estimating that for coronavirus:

  • 160-214 million people in the US could end up being infected.

  • 2.4-21 million people could have to go into hospital.

  • 200,000-1.7 million people could die.

''This is an infection rate of between 48% and 65% of the population. The hospitalisation rate is between 0.7% and 6%.

"The Canary crunched the numbers using the SARS research & we found that for coronavirus - between 408,000 and 3,570,000 people in the US could experience severe ME-like symptoms a year after getting infected."


[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 months ago

"Wall Street is pressuring key healthcare firms to hike prices over the CoronaVirus crisis. Audio here of bankers asking drug companies, firms supplying N95 masks & ventilators, to figure out how to profit from the Covid-19 emergency." - from:

WTabsoluteFk?! These greedy bastards should be exposed, prosecuted, jailed & - the key thrown away!

radix omnium malorum est cupiditas!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 months ago

"How a Lobbying Campaign Pushed the CDC to Relax Protective Gear Guidelines!" - by Jennifer Gollan and Elizabeth Shogren:

"A lobbying campaign driven by scarcity pushed the CDC to relax protective gear guidelines. Now tens of thousands of health workers are infected!"

Highly researched article by 'The Center for Investigative Reporting'. Please support these people &

e tenebris, lux!

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4187) 6 months ago

Right but see how WS has turned this into a debate. Ever notice how everything becomes a debate with raging narcissists as you have to come up with a 7 page report that distracts everyone from the fact that they don't give a fux. Do we need reports based on everything Wallstreet and money hungry greed has ever done - ever? Are we still doing this after all these years not to mention history? Conveniently as people lay dying - wealth representatives (called politicians) forget all about this back and forth insanity. They are proven liars and we don't need to go on anything but the fact that these people don't care about other human beings. period and done. Do our deaths and poverty benefit WS - yes. That is all we need to know. We already have the answers. We just don't want to believe it. We are EXPENDABLE and there are people who consider other human beings nothing more than a RESOURCE. Are we going to sit and have a pretend debate with those people as they play their puppet show for us? Or are we going to call their Bullshit once and for all?

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 months ago

Your "wealth representatives (called politicians)'' - is a great line & an important phrase & realization

tho' Trump denies responsibility - someone fired USA's Pandemic Response Team in 2018 to cut costs! That absolutely must have contributed to US' clear lack of preparedness for this once in a lifetime event.

So I'll now put something forward here & as controversial as it may seem, tRUMP may actually be more willing to do somethings for USA's 99% - because he is rich already & not wholly owned by US Banks & Corporations ... than the venal Democrap and Repugnant politicians, who will dance to the tunes of their paymasters! As such & even if it is for reasons of his narcissism & need to be liked & be popular, tRUMP may actually be more willing & able to pass legislation that actually helps America's 99% than the wholly owned GOP & GOPlite pols, who are such Corp. Banker Asskissing Prostitutes! Just sayin' + evidence...

Now, IF tRUMP - were to use an executive order to enact Medicare For All .. he would become the most unlikely hero of The 99% & thereby win a 2nd Term; guarantee his place in history & - destroy the Dems, who it must be said - are doing a good job of that themselves now, just by (s)electing Biden over Bernie!

The truth is that Fancy Pelosi, Creepy Joe & Obomber, are more interested in keeping Sanders out than beating tRUMP's ass and they'll only do a bare minimum for The 99%! Obama - was a master of this b-s and quite frankly The Corporate Controlled Duopoly Needs To Die and a 3rd, 'Peoples Party' start, asap!

et veritas vos liberabit!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 months ago

The CoronaVirus Horror Story - ignore it at your peril ...

In my reply-comment to elf3 above, I had a very rare moment of trying to think well of tRUMP but his behavior since then proves that he too will sacrifice USA's 99% at The Alter of Corporate Profits and allowing him any benefit of doubt'll only disappoint. Fancy Pelosi & Obomber won't raise voices tho'!

The WHO thinks that the USA will be the new epicenter of the COVID19 pandemic but Donald Trump seems to give precisely Zero Fucks about that, as long as The 99% keep going to work! The mthrfkr!

cave canem!

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23316) 6 months ago

Bernie Sanders LiveStream on PBS Newshour where he talks seriously about COVID 19 with several qualified doctors.


Nice this was carried by PBS. He may be President Sanders yet, as Joe Biden and Trump are both imploding.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 months ago


Viva El Presidente Bernie Sanders!

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23316) 5 months ago

COVID 19 deaths in early February.

So, hmm, 2 Californians' autopsies prove they died February 6 and 17 from novel coronavirus. What else don't we know? So, it was spreading through the community way earlier than we were told because these 2 people, RIP, never traveled to China.

How many more cases like this exist in USA?


Bernie has since handed the DNC primary to Joe Biden who sadly has been quite silent. At least, I haven't heard him say anything meaningful as we work our way through the worst crisis I can remember in my lifetime.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 months ago

Indeed "Bernie has since handed the DNC primary to Joe Biden who sadly has been quite silent" about "How many more cases like this exist in USA?" as he has been about just about everything else! Finally, re. your important link and points re.CV19 & "worst crisis" in living memory & beyond, please consider:

per aspera ad astra ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23316) 4 months ago

The human spirit endures. It endures with or without Bernie Sanders and at the end of COVID 19 it will endure and must be stronger than ever.

We mustn't forget our purpose on this earth is to make meaning of our lives. While this virus seems like and probably is the worst thing to happen to many of us, many worse things have happened. Let this be a wake up call to the need for a socialist future where all people count and all are cared for and where the human spirit soars.


[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 months ago

''New York Removes Bernie Sanders From The Primary Ballot!'' (fkt up shit) .. by Danial Marans:

''The decision is a blow to the former Democratic presidential hopeful and his supporters in New York."

Indeed: "Let this be a wake up call to the need for a socialist future where all people count and all are cared for and where the human spirit soars" & may collective wisdom of US realize that: Dems R Fkt!

ecce homo!

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23316) 4 months ago

Bernie's back on the NY ballot. Yes!

"Judge orders Sanders, others to be reinstated on New York primary ballot"


"The removal of presidential contenders from the primary ballot not only deprived those candidates of the chance to garner votes for the Democratic Party’s nomination, but also deprived their pledged delegates of the opportunity to run for a position where they could influence the party platform, vote on party governance issues, pressure the eventual nominee on matters of personnel or policy, and react to unexpected developments at the Convention,” she wrote."

That's saying it too kindly, it was freakin' undemocratic to remove Sanders and the others from the ballot! Period!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 months ago

'Biden is so fkt' that it can't be repeated often enough! Now check this out:

So of course stay on the scene ... Obi Wan Sanders! "You are our only hope"!!

MULTUM in parvo...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23316) 1 month ago

Biden vs. Trump debates. Can anyone imagine how that is going to go?

Hence, "Political analyst makes plea for Biden not to debate Trump"



"Supporters Urge Joe Biden Not to Debate Trump"


[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 weeks ago

"The Biden campaign and the attempt to “rescue” American hegemony" by Andre Damon:

et caveat emptor!

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4187) 6 months ago

The solution is - Quarantine all non essential workers. Freeze rent and mortgages. RUSH TO BUILD AND DELIVER RESPIRATORS TO HOSPITALS ASAP (not to mention masks and hand sanitizers). And set up emergency hospital space and buildings for when hospitals run out of room. Pay essential employees in health care and respirator and food production hazard pay from a government fund so they don't abandon their jobs and deliver rations to homes so people don't spread the virus getting food. LET THE STOCKS FALL. Because when this thing really hits - this will make sense - but it will be too late. TRUMP are you going to continue sit back and let Wallstreet profiteer of the deaths and economic destruction of average people? Is that how you want to go down in the history books? As the greediest most sell out incompetent president in American history? You can still turn this thing around right now there is time but it's running out - stop listening to your WS advisors - do the right thing. Iceberg straight ahead.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4187) 6 months ago

as well as Government workers are keeping the private sector working on the front lines of the pandemic so we can continue to pay for them to sit home hording toilet paper and bingeing on Netflix while they determine we are EXPENDABLE and do nothing to help us. Um what are they going to do when we are too sick to move? Do they honestly believe there will be enough money to keep paying for their extended hiatus?

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4187) 6 months ago

History Repeats - our captain wanders around the ship as America pleads "What shall we do?" and the answer is to hold up a hand and say …"my test results come back next week" as he literally wanders off in the exact manner as the captain on the Titanic. Mothers look to their children and say "don't worry sweetie after the rich first class people sell off their stocks they will quarantine us and help pay our bills (there will be plenty of room in the boats for us all dear)" replace boats with the word RESPIRATOR.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4187) 6 months ago

Ok boomers... just work your kids right into their graves. People with suppressed immune systems still forced to go to work in a grocery store for their insurance or deliver for UPS or Amazon. Do the rich think Americans are going to continue to tolerate more of the same when the American people are already talking about uprising? And that is the going conversation as the rich retreat to their secluded vacation homes to hide from the virus as they point and click on their stock trades - HOFFA I'M TALKING TO YOU as you leave Union workers out in the cold you corporate bought rat.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4187) 6 months ago

and when it comes to it - no one is going to be able to pay their bills. So what do the rich think is going to happen - do they envision millions of Americans heading to the homeless refuge tent camps set up to help house all the new homeless as they buy up our family homes on the cheap? Who is going to buy your products when everyone is homeless? You think the government will be able to afford it? When all is said is done - America is going to eat the rich of this nation - the party is over and WALLSTREET you just don't get it. You think we will complacently stand in a line to our new encampments as you buy our homes? Nope PATRIOTS line up outside your mansions and outside the Whitehouse and force you to do the right thing. Democrats and Republicans will come together. We outnumber you. And the majority of people are humane. We will no longer tolerate this inhuman entity called WALLSTREET controlling our population and the system we employ.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 months ago

"A Seattle COVID19 Survivor gets a $1.1 million, 181-page Hospital Bill!" .. by Danny Westnmeat:

radix omnium malorum est cupiditas!

(love of money is the root of all evil!)

[-] -1 points by grapes (5232) 6 months ago

The statistics show that younger people have lower chances of dying than older people. The underlying reason is that younger people have more lung capacity reserve ( healthy people generally possess five times the lung capacity for normal survival needs but it tends to degrade over time, some due to controllable factors such as smoking ) and less sensitivity in their immune systems.

CoViD-19's virus doesn't kill much by itself but the fluid left over after the initial viral infection in the lungs' alveoli can be infested by all kinds of bacteria and attacked by the body's immune system, the older the person, the more ferocious the attack usually, due to prior immune response experiences { I suspect that sepsis has a similar origin thus culling the people who have had prior infections so soap and clean water can reduce or prevent the occurrence of the very deadly sepsis }, thus causing more "debris and rubble" clogging up and solidifying the alveoli's gas-and-vapor-permeable ( to gases such as oxygen, carbon dioxide, and vapors such as water vapor ) membranes, making them inelastic and incapable of inflating and deflating to exchange gases. If oxygen cannot get through the damaged alveoli, the person might die of asphyxiation due to having insufficient reduced functional lung capacity.

Sometimes at least it's a rather quick ( and maybe even pleasurable--people were known to have killed themselves or others while pursuing this ultimate pleasurable high during sex and gone too far but some came back from the dead to tell the stories ) death: the person loses consciousness and falls down on the floor, having a few heavings and twitches, and then becoming motionless -- dead, after behaving a bit like a car running out of gasoline and sputtering to a halt.

As long as sufficient oxygen gets through the lungs to the rest of the body, the person may well live on. Hence, breathing a higher concentration of oxygen in the gases one breathes in can help by making the remaining functional lung capacity more efficient at delivering oxygen. Oxygen blockage may be circumvented.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4187) 6 months ago

Thanks for the puppet show asshole - we're just trying to bring back humanity and empathy here. Really appreciate the people like you who make a special appearance to fight back against the stand for human decency. in favor of what cuz you know we are going on that same short walk to the grave apart from any pandemic right. This is what you do with your short time on Earth? Nice. Do you work for Veritas or something like it? Because I'm sure those Veritas mother fuckers have been torturing members of this movement from the moment we got legally got classified as terrorists for fighting to make this world halfway liveable for average people. Hacking us and shit. Do you ever ask yourself what if you are wrong? Oh I guess that is the entire fucking thing wrong with this world - people who just don't wonder if they are maybe u know....wrong? And don't care if they are either. I saw that movie - I think it was called Blade Runner or Robocop - anyway I'd rather not live in your shitty version of the future. Pick on someone your own size and I'm talking about your wallet (not your infinitesimally small grapes).

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 months ago

I can not reply to U here: http://occupywallst.org/forum/to-all-let-this-be-told/#comment-1078853 & that's because it is the end of the 15 replies on the mini-thread. More importantly however is the fact that I can barely read your 'wall of text' because of The Lack Of Paragraphing! I'd appreciate it .. if U would do that otherwise your heartfelt reply there becomes unreadable, much like the walls o' shit by gripes below this reply. I know that it's not very easy to do while writing here but please do it in ''edit'' Thanx in anticipation

et fiat lux!

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 6 months ago

Many of us are the [¿proud?] graduates of "Fk U," not the now-defunct "Trump U." Humanity and empathy are fine and grand, if accompanied by proper actions. The number-one rule in dealing with a crisis is to take a deep breath to calm the emotions. Then accept what has already happened ( free U education,) anticipate what may well happen based on actual knowledge, and steer accordingly to optimize the probability of attaining the ends, such as humanity and empathy. Breathing is essential for most lifeforms. Cash has been trash for a very long while so this crisis is really only a blowback ( the stores will probably still have the basic supplies despite our people's hoarding; they just need more cash or "manna from heaven" to buy the supplies.) In September 2019, thrombosis had already formed but heparin dissolved it and delayed others. Heparin seemed to have lost its efficacy in recent days, due to much of the tolerance ( i.e. expectations of the financial classes for evermore free-money bailouts from then "helicopter Ben" throwing huge bales of newly created cash onto Wall Street via low-interest rates; the Federal Reserve has lost most of its ammunition because the interest rates haven't been normalized so borrowers were favored over savers; naturally, there is now very little savings left { there was so much credit and there was so little cash left around relative to the nearly-always-growing inverted debt pyramid it shored up that the overnight U.S. treasuries repurchase agreements' interest rate spiked up to 10% in September of 2019 because the corporations which had made so much credit profits had to pay the U.S. Government with real cash/near-cash for their estimated taxes due at the end of the fiscal year } to cushion an inevitable jolt which biologists, epidemiologists, and fiction authors have been predicting for quite a while already; there's also the idiotic trillions of dollars of tax cuts in boom times so there may be very little fiscal stimulus possible without risking the longer-term collapse/devaluation of the U.S. dollar as the British pound-sterling had experienced before, while the British Empire was being disbanded before its ending in 1997 ) built up since the 2007-2013 Great Recession.

For all who can see through the golden piss, there is the shit/mierda of the gods therein ( some people probably laughed happily while going to their banks with that ). It's "freely given, freely take"--humanity and empathy given in equal opportunity alright. What saves a Christian? Faith. ( I do have an amendment to add to that, though--add in facts, plausible mechanisms, and probabilities; our future is fundamentally random but it does follow a knowable and somewhat controllable pattern, to be traversed one step at a time as if we're skating with our eyes cast upon where we want to go: only one step at a time is required--I fell many times learning to skate because my legs kept on swerving apart under my body away from each other so I shortly went splat although all that I had to do was to lift up a foot and take a step to where I wanted to shift my body weight; it's important to know where one wants to go and where one doesn't want to go { it was astounding how many "beautiful girls" in the words of my friend/companion had come to help me get back up onto my feet--splat, splat, splat, .. or my ¿bruises? attracted kind-hearted women; I wonder whether Dad's "unicorn horn" created in no-kidding Cape Town by South African apartheid had worked similarly } ) It's fine to dispense "opiate for the masses" because everyone is already an opiod addict, made so by the pleasure-reward bio-circuitry. An oxygen-generating/concentrating machine if used properly may very well ward off a suffocating death.

Dad used to say to me, "The alphabets know me but I don't know them." That explained why he urged me to learn "tea-time" because I "knew English" right after I had learnt the alphabets. He confidently told me that all English text consisted only of the twenty-six alphabets which I had already learnt ( i.e. 'a' for 'apple' and 'arm', .., 'z' for 'zebra' and 'zoo'.) Understanding needs a shared cultural background. It's why I emphasized, 》Ein Volk, ein Land, eine Kultur.《 ( i.e. "One people, one country, one culture.") It's the goal but we're not necessarily there yet.

If you truly believe and accept death, you will transcend your fear of death after you have emerged alive and well. Of course, your behavior will surely change after that. "One mustn't commit suicide for the fear of one's death ! "--paraphrasing Otto von Bismarck. If Bushit had heeded that advice regarding Saddam Hussein's having stashed WMD underneath his bed in his presidential palace, maybe we wouldn't have had the fiasco that Iraq is.

Trump's tariff war which caused a major backup and stockpiling of food by our farmers is a stroke of genius ( as long as we do manage to get them successfully delivered to feed our people despite the novel coronavirus' attack.) The U.S. dollar's valuation overseas doesn't matter much to our food supply as we produce most of it domestically. We do get some tropical fruits and groceries from our southern neighbors such as Mexico, Costa Rica, Chile, Colombia, Honduras, Guatemala, etc. It's why we shouldn't aggravate Mexico too much, for example, by calling names. Mexico has a drug violence problem to deal with which at times spills over to the U.S. We need cooperation with our neighbor Mexico to deal with that. The Drug War is a major conflict near our southern border with Mexico. We need the Texan swagger patrolling the border alright. Texass! Texass! Texass!

[-] -1 points by grapes (5232) 6 months ago

How a suffocating being died as I described is more than just a shitty vision. I saw how a pigeon was suffocated. Human beings also died in a similar way from CoViD-19 ( if media haven't censored the videos as death and sex are taboo subjects although they're integral parts of life--all beings with life die and most beings attain a form of "eternal life" through sex and potentially new births ). I don't know "the" future, for there are numerous ones, but I do know that in Pascal's Triangle, the numbers nearer to the midline are larger than the numbers at the extremes. A random walk down the triangle, as time goes on, tends to land near the middle rather than near any extreme. Pattern thus emerges from randomness. The probable tends to happen is the supreme law of the universe ( which states that the many possible "future [worlds]" are in thermal equilibrium with each other so statistical mechanics applies { use ¿Boltzmann distribution? or a variant such as ¿Fermi-Dirac distribution? What are the observable consequences of the type of the distribution? Is the conditioning of our "future [worlds]" governed by the law of distribution of bosons or [Enrico] fermions? } and the event-induced "collapse" of a quantum wavefunction is nothing more than what the rule of conditioned probabilities dictates ). A number of Americans will absolutely die as described.

I wondered about how dog-meat vendors prepared the furry dogs for sale after a dog had been clubbed to death inside of a burlap sack after much mayhem of yelping, barking, whining, and whimpering. After slitting its belly and eviscerating it, a triangular file for boring round holes was shoved through the mouth of the dead dog all the way through the carcass. It's then roasted over fire to burn off all of the fur in a rotisserie-like contraption to make dog-kebab. Voila! Roast dog was thus made available as meat for sale. From science, service.

Chickens' feathers were stripped off in a different way, though: by dipping the throat-slit ( the feathers on the chicken's pulled-back neck were first plucked off to expose its throat before slitting it ) blood-drained ( to make it ¿kosher? ) chicken into a bucket of gooey tar and then strip-plucking all of its feathers off. It's then cleaned/¿baptized? in a bucket of water. From religion, symbolic rebirth. Easter's coming.

We ate chickens ( I also ate the puny thighs and [match]sticks of the suffocated pigeon; I went on to eat its wing muscles after my Big Brother had explained that not all birds lived the same lifestyle--the pigeon wasn't a land rover like a chicken with much meat in its thighs but an air flyer with the huge muscles under its wings; "know and learn before making a wish"--tiny thighs and [match]sticks { it's not a chicken }, extremely sour kumquat { it's not an orange }, and cold { pre-microwave-oven-days } chickens for every breakfast could all be avoided.)

A modern American food-factory technique used carbon dioxide to "pacify" and suffocate the chickens en masse. Zyklon B (R) previously distributed from Hamburg, Germany, was definitely not used. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration isn't likely to approve using such a pesticide for slaughtering chickens.

If obesity ( in human beings, BMI > 30, but what's that number for different species of penguins? I presume that it must be higher due to the blubber normally needed by penguins to survive ) is a risk factor for death from CoViD-19, are penguins at risk? According to my Big Brother's avian lifestyle theory, they probably sport much blubber for heat insulation in order to live warm and well in the cold Southern Ocean, New Zealand, Patagonia, and Antarctica.

I picked my wallet ( when the dung beetle { whose relatives the shimmering colorful scarab beetles were "the jewels" found to be buried with Egyptian royal mummies of antiquity } rolls its ball made of the shit/mierda of the gods close-by, one needs to recognize that it's manna from heaven so cover your nose and take the gift; I was told that when "helicopter Ben" was throwing out bales of cash, I've got to get to the drop site--it's so very true and it explains why the information about where the drop site is must be classified to keep the information valuable to the select ones { when everyone knows, the information content, 《 as p approaches 0+, -p log p=0 for any logarithmic base, 》becomes worthless } but absolutely not understandable to "hoi polloi;" do you really think that no one knew that a pandemic was coming? on Wall Street, in Moscow, Washington, Switzerland, and Beijing, select people knew but the masses had to be kept in the dark to support arbitrage trading or 跑单帮, hadn't they? even the Associated Press had a wool pulled over its eyes believing in a much-later-than-fact non-China countries' date of knowing; truthiness was manufactured--it's why young Iranians were clogging up roads to go to beaches to party when they were let out of schools to curb virus' spread so Iran now gets a well-calibrated number of CoViD-19 deaths every day; people largely died of pneumonia, not the coronavirus so by suppressing testing, politicians look much better than the truth: "it's just a flu," "it's just pneumonia," "just wash your hands carefully," "warm weather will make the virus go away," etc. let's see whether equatorial Africa will be spared; April is coming soon to the U.S. when the weather will be warm to make novel coronavirus "go away, like a miracle," so let us prey ) and found two so-called "shark's teeth" ( unsurprisingly, not my infinitesimally small grapes, but of ¿aristocratic origin? ) of the eviscerated humongous "dogfish" ( previously thrown at me for both "food and sex" to "survive with pleasure," I guess... ) Dad told me of his experience in winter trying to dock and land in Hamburg, Germany, "It was so cold but I had to walk a mile on top of solid ICE to go ashore." From him who had spent so much of his life crisscrossing the Moon-sized now West American Salty Lake, I learnt perseverance so I would "walk a mile for a vertical smile." How many hamburgers I ate last year is by now classified as a CCP "state secret." There goes the smoking-and-coughing-with-¿CoViD-19? Marlboro(R) cowboy with laryngeal cancer riding into the sunset while muttering: ,,Vergiß nie, daß du ein Deutscher bist." This is the peoples' war, not that of a coughing mustang-herding smoking cowboy ( as mechanization has already made an older cowboy obsolete ) which involves crossing the Rio Grande violating the prime directive of the five-year exploratory mission to star systems. Let each dog fertilize its own favorite tree. Might not an old seadog pissing at its favorite fire hydrant in Hamburg, Germany's jurisdiction be frozen solid there by a deviant paranoid?