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Forum Post: Pandemic Speculation

Posted 2 weeks ago on March 17, 2020, 7:40 a.m. EST by elf3 (4108)
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Instead of freeze rents and mortgages and quarantine the public as our government falsely ensures youth that young people aren't dying when other countries are telling us - yes young people are in fact dying from the disease (healthy ones) - banks and investors are plotting to buy our homes underneath us while we are forced out of work by the dying economy or perhaps dying ourselves. Our system is sick.

Young people - your government is lying to you to keep you working so the rich have time to pull their stocks and escape onto their rafts. Remember Titanic? Young healthy people can get sick and die from this. They already are. You are just serving them their dinner and playing the music for them as they head to safety before you drown on the fluid in your lungs.

truth = # they are getting away and signing your death warrants as you serve them

And to American journalists - since when did it become your job to prevent a panic? (or coddle the stock market?) Your number one job and your only job and principle as journalists as far as I'm concerned is to provide the TRUTH. Have you lost sight of this and your journalistic integrity? The American system was born on journalism and truth being the main check and balance on our system of government. Perhaps government has always been corrupt. but the WRITERS - they used to be pure. Journalism is failing now bunch of sell outs.



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[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 week ago

So "If Trump Declares Martial Law due to Coronavirus, can he then Suspend the Election?"


[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 days ago

''American Idiot - A Running List of The Dumbest things Trump has said about the CoronaVirus!''

''Welcome to a new kind of tension, all across the alien nation, where everything isn't meant to be okay!''

verum ex absurdo?!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 days ago

''Surveillance Will Outlast The Pandemic! Edward Snowden’s Warning'' by "CPH: DOX''

"Giving the government access to biometrics could open up alarming new ways for governments to spy on citizens," Snowden said. "They already know what you're looking at on the internet" - he said. "They already know where your phone is moving. Now they know what your heart rate is & what your pulse is. What happens when they start to mix these and apply artificial intelligence to it?''

''Protecting Americans where they live - ought to be the national security priority of our time. The existing national security state is incapable of fulfilling that imperative, while its leaders, fixated on waging distant wars, have yet to even accept that they have a responsibility to do so. Worst of all .. even in this election year, no one on the national political scene appears to recognize the danger now fully at hand.''

hmmmm et qui custodiet ipsos custodes?!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 day ago

“Please take this because I love you and I might die” : A COVID Tale'' ... by William Rivers Pitt:

''As COVID-19 makes its burn through the population - emblems of life and love are being hurriedly handed from one generation down to the next.''

momento mori - sed fiat justitia ruat caelum!

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23151) 1 day ago

So sad but also so beautiful.

Folks are giving away their most treasured items in case they die of COVID 19.

"It is treasure, the greatest walking stick of all time, and now it is mine because my mother wanted to give it to me in case she died of COVID-19.

I wonder how many exchanges like this are happening right now across the country, and the world, as COVID-19 makes its burn through the population. How many trinkets, necklaces, old coins, letters, journals, simple items of no real worth that are treasures nonetheless, like my grandfather’s blackthorn shillelagh, how many emblems of life and love are being hurriedly handed from one generation down to the next. No ceremony, no note taken of the import of the exchange, merely a “Here,” like a baton passed in full flight.

Please take this, because I love you and I might die.

Have you had that conversation?" From truthout above.

Love is the only way, it is the only thing that matters.

[-] 0 points by ImNotMe (1488) 15 hours ago

In the dark daze of a Global Pandemic,

All I'll say now is - Please Don't Panic!

If it's a choice btwn "Fear and Love"

Then, I choose to be a Fierce Dove..

As I can't choose btwn 'Tragic & Magic'!

oremus ... ommmm ~*~

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 weeks ago

''The Other Potential Coronavirus Catastrophe No One Is Talking About''! - from ''The Canary'', UK:

''The US situation:

''Currently, the Centre for Disease Control (CDC) in the US is estimating that for coronavirus:

  • 160-214 million people in the US could end up being infected.

  • 2.4-21 million people could have to go into hospital.

  • 200,000-1.7 million people could die.

''This is an infection rate of between 48% and 65% of the population. The hospitalisation rate is between 0.7% and 6%.

"The Canary crunched the numbers using the SARS research & we found that for coronavirus - between 408,000 and 3,570,000 people in the US could experience severe ME-like symptoms a year after getting infected."


[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 weeks ago

"Wall Street is pressuring key healthcare firms to hike prices over the CoronaVirus crisis. Audio here of bankers asking drug companies, firms supplying N95 masks & ventilators, to figure out how to profit from the Covid-19 emergency." - from:

WTabsoluteFk?! These greedy bastards should be exposed, prosecuted, jailed & - the key thrown away!

radix omnium malorum est cupiditas!

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4108) 2 weeks ago

Right but see how WS has turned this into a debate. Ever notice how everything becomes a debate with raging narcissists as you have to come up with a 7 page report that distracts everyone from the fact that they don't give a fux. Do we need reports based on everything Wallstreet and money hungry greed has ever done - ever? Are we still doing this after all these years not to mention history? Conveniently as people lay dying - wealth representatives (called politicians) forget all about this back and forth insanity. They are proven liars and we don't need to go on anything but the fact that these people don't care about other human beings. period and done. Do our deaths and poverty benefit WS - yes. That is all we need to know. We already have the answers. We just don't want to believe it. We are EXPENDABLE and there are people who consider other human beings nothing more than a RESOURCE. Are we going to sit and have a pretend debate with those people as they play their puppet show for us? Or are we going to call their Bullshit once and for all?

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 weeks ago

Your "wealth representatives (called politicians)'' - is a great line & an important phrase & realization

tho' Trump denies responsibility - someone fired USA's Pandemic Response Team in 2018 to cut costs! That absolutely must have contributed to US' clear lack of preparedness for this once in a lifetime event.

So I'll now put something forward here & as controversial as it may seem, tRUMP may actually be more willing to do somethings for USA's 99% - because he is rich already & not wholly owned by US Banks & Corporations ... than the venal Democrap and Repugnant politicians, who will dance to the tunes of their paymasters! As such & even if it is for reasons of his narcissism & need to be liked & be popular, tRUMP may actually be more willing & able to pass legislation that actually helps America's 99% than the wholly owned GOP & GOPlite pols, who are such Corp. Banker Asskissing Prostitutes! Just sayin' + evidence...

Now, IF tRUMP - were to use an executive order to enact Medicare For All .. he would become the most unlikely hero of The 99% & thereby win a 2nd Term; guarantee his place in history & - destroy the Dems, who it must be said - are doing a good job of that themselves now, just by (s)electing Biden over Bernie!

The truth is that Fancy Pelosi, Creepy Joe & Obomber, are more interested in keeping Sanders out than beating tRUMP's ass and they'll only do a bare minimum for The 99%! Obama - was a master of this b-s and quite frankly The Corporate Controlled Duopoly Needs To Die and a 3rd, 'Peoples Party' start, asap!

et veritas vos liberabit!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 week ago

The CoronaVirus Horror Story - ignore it at your peril ...

In my reply-comment to elf3 above, I had a very rare moment of trying to think well of tRUMP but his behavior since then proves that he too will sacrifice USA's 99% at The Alter of Corporate Profits and allowing him any benefit of doubt'll only disappoint. Fancy Pelosi & Obomber won't raise voices tho'!

The WHO thinks that the USA will be the new epicenter of the COVID19 pandemic but Donald Trump seems to give precisely Zero Fucks about that, as long as The 99% keep going to work! The mthrfkr!

cave canem!

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23151) 1 week ago

Bernie Sanders LiveStream on PBS Newshour where he talks seriously about COVID 19 with several qualified doctors.


Nice this was carried by PBS. He may be President Sanders yet, as Joe Biden and Trump are both imploding.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 week ago


Viva El Presidente Bernie Sanders!

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4108) 2 weeks ago

The solution is - Quarantine all non essential workers. Freeze rent and mortgages. RUSH TO BUILD AND DELIVER RESPIRATORS TO HOSPITALS ASAP (not to mention masks and hand sanitizers). And set up emergency hospital space and buildings for when hospitals run out of room. Pay essential employees in health care and respirator and food production hazard pay from a government fund so they don't abandon their jobs and deliver rations to homes so people don't spread the virus getting food. LET THE STOCKS FALL. Because when this thing really hits - this will make sense - but it will be too late. TRUMP are you going to continue sit back and let Wallstreet profiteer of the deaths and economic destruction of average people? Is that how you want to go down in the history books? As the greediest most sell out incompetent president in American history? You can still turn this thing around right now there is time but it's running out - stop listening to your WS advisors - do the right thing. Iceberg straight ahead.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4108) 2 weeks ago

as well as Government workers are keeping the private sector working on the front lines of the pandemic so we can continue to pay for them to sit home hording toilet paper and bingeing on Netflix while they determine we are EXPENDABLE and do nothing to help us. Um what are they going to do when we are too sick to move? Do they honestly believe there will be enough money to keep paying for their extended hiatus?

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4108) 2 weeks ago

History Repeats - our captain wanders around the ship as America pleads "What shall we do?" and the answer is to hold up a hand and say …"my test results come back next week" as he literally wanders off in the exact manner as the captain on the Titanic. Mothers look to their children and say "don't worry sweetie after the rich first class people sell off their stocks they will quarantine us and help pay our bills (there will be plenty of room in the boats for us all dear)" replace boats with the word RESPIRATOR.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4108) 2 weeks ago

Ok boomers... just work your kids right into their graves. People with suppressed immune systems still forced to go to work in a grocery store for their insurance or deliver for UPS or Amazon. Do the rich think Americans are going to continue to tolerate more of the same when the American people are already talking about uprising? And that is the going conversation as the rich retreat to their secluded vacation homes to hide from the virus as they point and click on their stock trades - HOFFA I'M TALKING TO YOU as you leave Union workers out in the cold you corporate bought rat.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4108) 2 weeks ago

and when it comes to it - no one is going to be able to pay their bills. So what do the rich think is going to happen - do they envision millions of Americans heading to the homeless refuge tent camps set up to help house all the new homeless as they buy up our family homes on the cheap? Who is going to buy your products when everyone is homeless? You think the government will be able to afford it? When all is said is done - America is going to eat the rich of this nation - the party is over and WALLSTREET you just don't get it. You think we will complacently stand in a line to our new encampments as you buy our homes? Nope PATRIOTS line up outside your mansions and outside the Whitehouse and force you to do the right thing. Democrats and Republicans will come together. We outnumber you. And the majority of people are humane. We will no longer tolerate this inhuman entity called WALLSTREET controlling our population and the system we employ.

[-] -1 points by grapes (5232) 2 weeks ago

The statistics show that younger people have lower chances of dying than older people. The underlying reason is that younger people have more lung capacity reserve ( healthy people generally possess five times the lung capacity for normal survival needs but it tends to degrade over time, some due to controllable factors such as smoking ) and less sensitivity in their immune systems.

CoViD-19's virus doesn't kill much by itself but the fluid left over after the initial viral infection in the lungs' alveoli can be infested by all kinds of bacteria and attacked by the body's immune system, the older the person, the more ferocious the attack usually, due to prior immune response experiences { I suspect that sepsis has a similar origin thus culling the people who have had prior infections so soap and clean water can reduce or prevent the occurrence of the very deadly sepsis }, thus causing more "debris and rubble" clogging up and solidifying the alveoli's gas-and-vapor-permeable ( to gases such as oxygen, carbon dioxide, and vapors such as water vapor ) membranes, making them inelastic and incapable of inflating and deflating to exchange gases. If oxygen cannot get through the damaged alveoli, the person might die of asphyxiation due to having insufficient reduced functional lung capacity.

Sometimes at least it's a rather quick ( and maybe even pleasurable--people were known to have killed themselves or others while pursuing this ultimate pleasurable high during sex and gone too far but some came back from the dead to tell the stories ) death: the person loses consciousness and falls down on the floor, having a few heavings and twitches, and then becoming motionless -- dead, after behaving a bit like a car running out of gasoline and sputtering to a halt.

As long as sufficient oxygen gets through the lungs to the rest of the body, the person may well live on. Hence, breathing a higher concentration of oxygen in the gases one breathes in can help by making the remaining functional lung capacity more efficient at delivering oxygen. Oxygen blockage may be circumvented.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4108) 2 weeks ago

Thanks for the puppet show asshole - we're just trying to bring back humanity and empathy here. Really appreciate the people like you who make a special appearance to fight back against the stand for human decency. in favor of what cuz you know we are going on that same short walk to the grave apart from any pandemic right. This is what you do with your short time on Earth? Nice. Do you work for Veritas or something like it? Because I'm sure those Veritas mother fuckers have been torturing members of this movement from the moment we got legally got classified as terrorists for fighting to make this world halfway liveable for average people. Hacking us and shit. Do you ever ask yourself what if you are wrong? Oh I guess that is the entire fucking thing wrong with this world - people who just don't wonder if they are maybe u know....wrong? And don't care if they are either. I saw that movie - I think it was called Blade Runner or Robocop - anyway I'd rather not live in your shitty version of the future. Pick on someone your own size and I'm talking about your wallet (not your infinitesimally small grapes).

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 2 weeks ago

Many of us are the [¿proud?] graduates of "Fk U," not the now-defunct "Trump U." Humanity and empathy are fine and grand, if accompanied by proper actions. The number-one rule in dealing with a crisis is to take a deep breath to calm the emotions. Then accept what has already happened ( free U education,) anticipate what may well happen based on actual knowledge, and steer accordingly to optimize the probability of attaining the ends, such as humanity and empathy. Breathing is essential for most lifeforms. Cash has been trash for a very long while so this crisis is really only a blowback ( the stores will probably still have the basic supplies despite our people's hoarding; they just need more cash or "manna from heaven" to buy the supplies.) In September 2019, thrombosis had already formed but heparin dissolved it and delayed others. Heparin seemed to have lost its efficacy in recent days, due to much of the tolerance ( i.e. expectations of the financial classes for evermore free-money bailouts from then "helicopter Ben" throwing huge bales of newly created cash onto Wall Street via low-interest rates; the Federal Reserve has lost most of its ammunition because the interest rates haven't been normalized so borrowers were favored over savers; naturally, there is now very little savings left { there was so much credit and there was so little cash left around relative to the nearly-always-growing inverted debt pyramid it shored up that the overnight U.S. treasuries repurchase agreements' interest rate spiked up to 10% in September of 2019 because the corporations which had made so much credit profits had to pay the U.S. Government with real cash/near-cash for their estimated taxes due at the end of the fiscal year } to cushion an inevitable jolt which biologists, epidemiologists, and fiction authors have been predicting for quite a while already; there's also the idiotic trillions of dollars of tax cuts in boom times so there may be very little fiscal stimulus possible without risking the longer-term collapse/devaluation of the U.S. dollar as the British pound-sterling had experienced before, while the British Empire was being disbanded before its ending in 1997 ) built up since the 2007-2013 Great Recession.

For all who can see through the golden piss, there is the shit/mierda of the gods therein ( some people probably laughed happily while going to their banks with that ). It's "freely given, freely take"--humanity and empathy given in equal opportunity alright. What saves a Christian? Faith. ( I do have an amendment to add to that, though--add in facts, plausible mechanisms, and probabilities; our future is fundamentally random but it does follow a knowable and somewhat controllable pattern, to be traversed one step at a time as if we're skating with our eyes cast upon where we want to go: only one step at a time is required--I fell many times learning to skate because my legs kept on swerving apart under my body away from each other so I shortly went splat although all that I had to do was to lift up a foot and take a step to where I wanted to shift my body weight; it's important to know where one wants to go and where one doesn't want to go { it was astounding how many "beautiful girls" in the words of my friend/companion had come to help me get back up onto my feet--splat, splat, splat, .. or my ¿bruises? attracted kind-hearted women; I wonder whether Dad's "unicorn horn" created in no-kidding Cape Town by South African apartheid had worked similarly } ) It's fine to dispense "opiate for the masses" because everyone is already an opiod addict, made so by the pleasure-reward bio-circuitry. An oxygen-generating/concentrating machine if used properly may very well ward off a suffocating death.

Dad used to say to me, "The alphabets know me but I don't know them." That explained why he urged me to learn "tea-time" because I "knew English" right after I had learnt the alphabets. He confidently told me that all English text consisted only of the twenty-six alphabets which I had already learnt ( i.e. 'a' for 'apple' and 'arm', .., 'z' for 'zebra' and 'zoo'.) Understanding needs a shared cultural background. It's why I emphasized, 》Ein Volk, ein Land, eine Kultur.《 ( i.e. "One people, one country, one culture.") It's the goal but we're not necessarily there yet.

If you truly believe and accept death, you will transcend your fear of death after you have emerged alive and well. Of course, your behavior will surely change after that. "One mustn't commit suicide for the fear of one's death ! "--paraphrasing Otto von Bismarck. If Bushit had heeded that advice regarding Saddam Hussein's having stashed WMD underneath his bed in his presidential palace, maybe we wouldn't have had the fiasco that Iraq is.

Trump's tariff war which caused a major backup and stockpiling of food by our farmers is a stroke of genius ( as long as we do manage to get them successfully delivered to feed our people despite the novel coronavirus' attack.) The U.S. dollar's valuation overseas doesn't matter much to our food supply as we produce most of it domestically. We do get some tropical fruits and groceries from our southern neighbors such as Mexico, Costa Rica, Chile, Colombia, Honduras, Guatemala, etc. It's why we shouldn't aggravate Mexico too much, for example, by calling names. Mexico has a drug violence problem to deal with which at times spills over to the U.S. We need cooperation with our neighbor Mexico to deal with that. The Drug War is a major conflict near our southern border with Mexico. We need the Texan swagger patrolling the border alright. Texass! Texass! Texass!

[-] -1 points by grapes (5232) 2 weeks ago

How a suffocating being died as I described is more than just a shitty vision. I saw how a pigeon was suffocated. Human beings also died in a similar way from CoViD-19 ( if media haven't censored the videos as death and sex are taboo subjects although they're integral parts of life--all beings with life die and most beings attain a form of "eternal life" through sex and potentially new births ). I don't know "the" future, for there are numerous ones, but I do know that in Pascal's Triangle, the numbers nearer to the midline are larger than the numbers at the extremes. A random walk down the triangle, as time goes on, tends to land near the middle rather than near any extreme. Pattern thus emerges from randomness. The probable tends to happen is the supreme law of the universe ( which states that the many possible "future [worlds]" are in thermal equilibrium with each other so statistical mechanics applies { use ¿Boltzmann distribution? or a variant such as ¿Fermi-Dirac distribution? What are the observable consequences of the type of the distribution? Is the conditioning of our "future [worlds]" governed by the law of distribution of bosons or [Enrico] fermions? } and the event-induced "collapse" of a quantum wavefunction is nothing more than what the rule of conditioned probabilities dictates ). A number of Americans will absolutely die as described.

I wondered about how dog-meat vendors prepared the furry dogs for sale after a dog had been clubbed to death inside of a burlap sack after much mayhem of yelping, barking, whining, and whimpering. After slitting its belly and eviscerating it, a triangular file for boring round holes was shoved through the mouth of the dead dog all the way through the carcass. It's then roasted over fire to burn off all of the fur in a rotisserie-like contraption to make dog-kebab. Voila! Roast dog was thus made available as meat for sale. From science, service.

Chickens' feathers were stripped off in a different way, though: by dipping the throat-slit ( the feathers on the chicken's pulled-back neck were first plucked off to expose its throat before slitting it ) blood-drained ( to make it ¿kosher? ) chicken into a bucket of gooey tar and then strip-plucking all of its feathers off. It's then cleaned/¿baptized? in a bucket of water. From religion, symbolic rebirth. Easter's coming.

We ate chickens ( I also ate the puny thighs and [match]sticks of the suffocated pigeon; I went on to eat its wing muscles after my Big Brother had explained that not all birds lived the same lifestyle--the pigeon wasn't a land rover like a chicken with much meat in its thighs but an air flyer with the huge muscles under its wings; "know and learn before making a wish"--tiny thighs and [match]sticks { it's not a chicken }, extremely sour kumquat { it's not an orange }, and cold { pre-microwave-oven-days } chickens for every breakfast could all be avoided.)

A modern American food-factory technique used carbon dioxide to "pacify" and suffocate the chickens en masse. Zyklon B (R) previously distributed from Hamburg, Germany, was definitely not used. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration isn't likely to approve using such a pesticide for slaughtering chickens.

If obesity ( in human beings, BMI > 30, but what's that number for different species of penguins? I presume that it must be higher due to the blubber normally needed by penguins to survive ) is a risk factor for death from CoViD-19, are penguins at risk? According to my Big Brother's avian lifestyle theory, they probably sport much blubber for heat insulation in order to live warm and well in the cold Southern Ocean, New Zealand, Patagonia, and Antarctica.

I picked my wallet ( when the dung beetle { whose relatives the shimmering colorful scarab beetles were "the jewels" found to be buried with Egyptian royal mummies of antiquity } rolls its ball made of the shit/mierda of the gods close-by, one needs to recognize that it's manna from heaven so cover your nose and take the gift; I was told that when "helicopter Ben" was throwing out bales of cash, I've got to get to the drop site--it's so very true and it explains why the information about where the drop site is must be classified to keep the information valuable to the select ones { when everyone knows, the information content, 《 as p approaches 0+, -p log p=0 for any logarithmic base, 》becomes worthless } but absolutely not understandable to "hoi polloi;" do you really think that no one knew that a pandemic was coming? on Wall Street, in Moscow, Washington, Switzerland, and Beijing, select people knew but the masses had to be kept in the dark to support arbitrage trading or 跑单帮, hadn't they? even the Associated Press had a wool pulled over its eyes believing in a much-later-than-fact non-China countries' date of knowing; truthiness was manufactured--it's why young Iranians were clogging up roads to go to beaches to party when they were let out of schools to curb virus' spread so Iran now gets a well-calibrated number of CoViD-19 deaths every day; people largely died of pneumonia, not the coronavirus so by suppressing testing, politicians look much better than the truth: "it's just a flu," "it's just pneumonia," "just wash your hands carefully," "warm weather will make the virus go away," etc. let's see whether equatorial Africa will be spared; April is coming soon to the U.S. when the weather will be warm to make novel coronavirus "go away, like a miracle," so let us prey ) and found two so-called "shark's teeth" ( unsurprisingly, not my infinitesimally small grapes, but of ¿aristocratic origin? ) of the eviscerated humongous "dogfish" ( previously thrown at me for both "food and sex" to "survive with pleasure," I guess... ) Dad told me of his experience in winter trying to dock and land in Hamburg, Germany, "It was so cold but I had to walk a mile on top of solid ICE to go ashore." From him who had spent so much of his life crisscrossing the Moon-sized now West American Salty Lake, I learnt perseverance so I would "walk a mile for a vertical smile." How many hamburgers I ate last year is by now classified as a CCP "state secret." There goes the smoking-and-coughing-with-¿CoViD-19? Marlboro(R) cowboy with laryngeal cancer riding into the sunset while muttering: ,,Vergiß nie, daß du ein Deutscher bist." This is the peoples' war, not that of a coughing mustang-herding smoking cowboy ( as mechanization has already made an older cowboy obsolete ) which involves crossing the Rio Grande violating the prime directive of the five-year exploratory mission to star systems. Let each dog fertilize its own favorite tree. Might not an old seadog pissing at its favorite fire hydrant in Hamburg, Germany's jurisdiction be frozen solid there by a deviant paranoid?