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Forum Post: 6 Awesome Things About Bernie Sanders You Might Not Know

Posted 2 years ago on May 21, 2015, 9:57 a.m. EST by factsrfun (8846) from Phoenix, AZ
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Three weeks ago, a slightly disheveled U.S. senator wandered out to the front lawn of the Capitol Building and declared his campaign for president. Bernie Sanders, an avowed democratic socialist from the small state of Vermont, was in.

The simplicity and directness of the setting signaled that Sanders wasn’t just another candidate in a crowded race, but a whole different kind of challenger. As Sanders was quick to warn, "People should not underestimate me.” He’s not kidding. As Sanders’ career has demonstrated, he doesn’t just hold policy positions, he acts on them.

1. He’s an Open Socialist

That Sanders is in the Senate at all is somewhat amazing. Sanders is the first Socialist elected in Senate history, no mean feat in the days when neoliberal economic policy rules.

But where it would have been the easiest thing in the world to change the (I) after his name to a (D), Sanders stuck with the affiliation. "I wouldn't deny it,” he said. “Not for one second. I'm a democratic socialist.” (note the “democratic” part; Sanders is quick to distance himself from the autocratic iterations of his philosophy.)

Not only does he not deny it, he flaunts it. New York Times political profilist Mark Leibovich paid the then just-elected socialist a visit in brand new office and noticed the socialist accents were a bit heavy:

But he does little to airbrush the red “S” from his political profile. On the wall of his Congressional office hangs a portrait of Eugene V. Debs, the Socialist Party presidential candidate of the early 20th century. A poster in a conference room marks Burlington’s sister-city relationship with Puerto Cabeza, Nicaragua — one of a few such alliances he forged with cities in Marxist states during his 10-year stint as mayor of Vermont’s biggest city in the 1980s.

And where Reagan-inflected patriotism is the standard campaign rhetoric, Sanders openly praises Scandinavian socialism. “What's wrong with that?" he asked ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos. "What's wrong when you have more income and wealth equality? What's wrong when they have a stronger middle class in many ways than we do, higher minimum wage than we do, and they are stronger on the environment than we do?"

2. He Trounced a Self-Funded Billionaire

Don’t knock winning as a socialist, not even in Vermont, which despite its solid-blue reputation voted for a Democratic president only once before 1992. (That would LBJ; the liberal northeastern Republicans balked at Barry Goldwater in 1964.)

But Sanders didn’t just win; he trounced a self-funded tech billionaire, the exact kind of person he warns is taking over the American political system. A novelist could not have devised a more fitting villain for Sanders’ 2006 campaign than business mogul Rich Tarrant. (Sanders, by contrast, is one of the few non-millionaires wandering the halls of the Senate.) Tarrant spent a whopping $7 million of his own money to defeat Sanders, turning the race into one of the most expensive Senate campaigns in history. He had little to show for it. Sanders beat him by a 2-1 margin, meaning Tarrant spent almost $100 per vote.

Along the way, Tarrant cut some vicious ads going after Sanders for out-of-context votes. Sanders’ distaste for negative campaigning lasts until today, as he reminds every cable news pundit who tries to make him take a potshot at Hillary Clinton.

3. He Filibustered the Extension of the Bush Tax Cuts

In 2010, as the Senate considered the extension of the Bush tax cuts in a complicated lame-duck legislative maneuver, Sanders stood against extending the tax breaks for people making over $250,000—literally stood, for 8.5 hours, as he patiently explained the injustice of giving tax breaks to the wealthiest as the middle class struggled and wages stagnated. The tax package passed anyway, but Sanders helped set the opposition to the upper echelon of the Bush tax cuts that were finally nixed in 2013.

Sanders’ filibuster was notable for another reason; his marathon speech came in the midst of the Senate GOP’s use of the cloture filibuster, requiring 60 votes to bring a bill to discussion, which effectively ground the Senate to a halt for much of Obama’s presidency. The use of “filibusters” ballooned during this period, accounting for more filibusters than in the decades preceding it combined. But until then not one Republican actually stood up and did a real one. Sanders did.

4. He Caused Republicans to Run in Fear over a Climate Change Amendment

Tired of Republican politicians' “I’m not a scientist” escape hatch in response to questions about the existence of climate change, Sanders devised a way to force senators to say yes or no. He proposed an amendment to the Keystone Pipeline legislation. Sanders’ “sense of Congress” resolution would have forced senators to vote on whether:

“One, climate change is real. Two, climate change is caused by human activity. Three, climate change has already caused devastating problems in the United States and around the world. And, four, it is imperative the United States transform its energy system away from fossil fuels and toward energy efficiency and sustainable energy.”

The amendment so scared the Senate GOP that it managed to squelch the thing, even after Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) had said he was open to any and all amendments on the pipeline bill.

Sanders has been active on climate change in the Senate, but the chamber has not jibed with his sense of urgency. In 2013 Sanders and Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) introduced what they called a “gold standard” climate change bill, taxing carbon emissions to pay for a massive expansion in green energy industries while ending loopholes for fracking. The bill didn’t “settle for half-measures, but rather [laid] out an actual solution to the climate crisis.” Too ambitious for Congress, however, the bill died, and the Senate’s unwillingness to confront climate change only worsened with the 114th Congress that knocked the Democrats out of the majority.

Nonetheless, Sanders’ record on climate change looks to be one of the major selling points of his campaign. If he won’t win the nomination, he can influence the debate, in part by framing climate change as a primary issue. Sanders once co-authored a bill with then-Senator Hillary Clinton on stimulating green job creation, and as Clinton’s main liberal rival he’d be perfectly placed to press her on the issue at a time when the frontrunner is backing off of controversial policy positions.

5. He’s Keeping Hillary Clinton Honest on Trade

That’s not the only way a Sanders campaign could impact the Democratic primary. Sanders is liberal enough—and blunt enough—to keep Clinton honest on a range of issues, most recently the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a trade deal pitting progressives and organized labor against the centrist Democratic wing, including President Barack Obama.

It’s the exact fight a candidate like Clinton, a centrist seeking to woo the left, dreads. Clinton has studiously avoided taking a position on the trade deal for fear of alienating either wing of her party before her campaign gets under way in earnest. Sanders won’t let her get away with this. “You are either for it or you’re against it," he said on CNN’s State of the Union last Sunday. "No fence-sitting on this one.”

6. He’ll Make Overturning Citizens United a Litmus Test

Sanders has been one of the most vocal opponents of Citizens United, which unleashed hundreds of millions of dollars in outside campaign spending. As usual, his advocacy extends far beyond press releases and into action. Where every other 2016 candidate is tripping over him or herself to found a super-PAC, Sanders is going without one. "I am not going to start a super-PAC,” he declared. “I’m not going to go around the country talking to millionaires…We're looking at a system where our democracy is being owned by a handful of billionaires.”

Not engaging in the campaign finance arms race is a major handicap, especially when Sanders will be going up against one of the best-financed candidates in electoral history in Hillary Clinton. Nonetheless, the donations came pouring in following his announcement, and Sanders posted $1.5 million raised from over 35,000 donors, a number that almost tripled in the following fortnight. And where GOP candidates are relying on the multimillion-dollar contributions of Wall Street investors, casino magnates and the Koch brothers, Sanders’ can boast an average contribution of $43. That’s not the type of money that buys you an election, but it is the kind you can brag about on the campaign trail.

Sanders is so committed to reversing the effects of Citizens United he’s declared that a willingness to overturn it will be litmus test for any potential Supreme Court nominee. Here he’s already having his desired effect on the race: days later, Hillary Clinton announced she would implement that test, too. Clinton may have the money and the press, but so long as Sanders is around, he may be setting her policy.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/6-awesome-things-about-bernie-sanders-you-might-not-know

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[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8846) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

This one deserves a bump.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33167) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yes it does

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8846) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

A few are starting their personal attacks on him, as usual the dem haters don't want to talk policy.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33167) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

The dem haters on this site are very suspect - as they will not discuss at all the blatant evil exercised increasingly by the rethuglicans. They refuse to acknowledge the very real differences between the members in government. They instead attack anyone who would urge the people to remove from office the rethuglicans and claim that those who urge the removal of rethuglicans are die hard dems.

All of the site dem haters - want to ignore the very real and active evil of rethuglicans in office and only try to tear down those people who are actively trying to do good for the people.

This makes them stink worse than a septic tank. They claim that they are in support of the people but you couldn't say so by looking at their actions - unless of course - the way they are advocating for the people - is for them to urge suicide. That does not seem like very positive advocacy to me - well except for how it would let the top of the 1% breathe easier..

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8846) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

for the most part they are power crazed ego whores who dream of their own political party someday

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Note... ''Movement Builders Should Listen to Bernie Sanders: Focus on Mass Action, Not Candidates'' - http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/30978-movement-builders-should-listen-to-bernie-sanders-focus-on-mass-action-not-candidates - You would be better off reading and trying insights like those contained in that article by Kate Aronoff - then engaging with stupid and ignorant attacks on long established posters here.You are proving yourself as an embittered, jealous, petty and very small person.Change your ways.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8846) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

you have proven yourself a political hack bent on co-opting OWS for your stupid power crazed party, this is why you ignore the GOP and attack the Dems you don't give a damn about the 99% only your dreams of power

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Gun Loving; Colored Folk Hating; Taxation abhorring; Pro-''Business''; BIG Military liking, RWNJ's (Right Wing Nutjobs) wil ALWAYS vote for or have a equivalent to The GOP. Three or four generations of Deep Right Wing Programming means that 20-25% of Americans ... will just NEVER vote anything other than Repugnantly! Now that does leave the other 75-80% BUT Corporate Co-opted, Corrupted and Controlled Dem Party Pols are THE problem and The Class Traitors, imo and the thing is, you know it too.Now get your ''facts'' straight and stop making them up for ''fun''!

So is it ''Uh-oh! Back to 'nut job' in another bi-polar meltdown, frf?'' Try to consider both my reply here.. http://occupywallst.org/article/presidentsday-2015/#comment-1060630 ... and the fact that blowing the GOP out of the fkn water, is like shooting fish in a barrel, geddit? They won't change but are only 25%! So what do you reckon Alan? Why do you think Daniel is trying to protect you from my replies to you?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8846) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Here's a fact 80% of low wage earners didn't vote in 2014, the GOP can be killed you just have a completely different agenda, you are a hack that don't give a damn about wealth inequality, you just care about hurting the Dems, by whatever means you have, just as I will use whatever means at my disposal to kill the GOP.

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Have you 'killed the GOP' in Arizona yet? Or are you capable of .. NOT reducing everything to your faux-binary of JUST R&D? Do you even believe your constant lies about me and my motivations and those of others here? Do you get that our motivations are pro-99% - first and foremost? Have you frf, got a Single Word of criticism about any Dem Party Pols and The DNC? I totally get why you are enthusiastic about Bernie Sanders but before your new found support for him you are first and foremost a Democratic Party Mega-Supporter, right? IF being paRDisan is your only approach here .. then expect resistance - as per OWS principles! Also fyi, see: http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/illinois-austerity-governor-proposes-plan-to-condemn-poor-to-extreme-cold-and-heat - and stop casting false aspersions here now.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8846) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

OWS strength comes from the simple message that the rich are too damn rich, the GOP work to make the rich richer, any who support the principles of OWS will do all they can to oppose the GOP, the rest of you have a completely different ego driven desire that has virtually no support among the 99% or anywhere else.

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

LOL and there you go again! See - http://occupywallst.org/forum/bernie-sanders-is-the-1-percents-worst-nightmare-h/#comment-1061670 .. and fyi, IF you can get past your ''expressions of subjective opinions as objective facts'', go get a new tune and consider that your Dem-Fixated ''ego'' is the problem, will ya?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8846) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I think your non answers are becoming even more nonsensical.

but then I understand, the facts are against you

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

If you are really having any comprehension problems, then you can always easily revert to the previous reply for clarification. Not sure you "understand" much with faulty "facts" but here's what the link was to:

You need to stop equating those who doubt the ''Corporate Donkey" with having anything to do with the ''Corporate Elephant'' - you duopoly-fixated; binary-minded, reductionist jackass! Here - pop a gasket on my linking you to this ... http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/31514-an-berniesanders-talking-filibuster-could-help-stop-the-fast-track-to-greater-inequality Do u think that BS would be standing without OWS?

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8846) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

You equate wishing to remove the GOP from office as support for the Dems, why is it wrong to see your constant attacks on the Dems as support for the GOP? but whether you "support" them or not your work serves to elect the GOP so you are responsible for what they do, when they vote 4 to 1 to pass TPP, you vote 4 to 1 to pass TPP you work to elect them, you own what they do!

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

"Why is JPMorgan’s Jamie Dimon Immune From Prosecution?!"

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/08/12/pers-a12.html - so

stick to your .. Binary-Blinded, Duopoly Addicted Reductionism,

because I and others will stick to posting for The 99% and OWS.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33167) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

8th track: (False flag) "We tear down the dems and even independent socialists who are forced to run as a dem in order to have a chance to compete - but you will not hear us go after any rethuglican no matter how actively evil they are - the furthest we will generally go - is to conflate the dems with the rethuglicans - does it make you wonder?"

Because you know we're all about them Dems,

'Bout them Dems, not Rethuglicans

we're all about them Dems, 'bout them Dems, not Rethuglicans

we're all about them Dems, 'bout them Dems, not Rethuglicans

we're all about them Dems, 'bout them Dems, not Rethuglicans

.......

Because you know we're all about them Dems,

'Bout them Dems, not Rethuglicans

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[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8846) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

The only thing you care about is hurting the Dems you don't give a damn about wealth inequality or the power of money in government the only thing you ever post about is beating up on the Dems.

You are a stupid political hack that cares only about your bullshit party.

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

The thing about "your bullshit party'' is that we really all know for a''fact that's NOT fun'' is that Oligarchs, Corporations and Wall Street Bankers pay them to do their bidding but your tribal affiliation blinds you to the truth of that. My ONLY allegiance is to The 99% and that also includes you! Better that you get your head around this link before you start to brainfart back at me: http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/31511-why-hillary-can-t-win -but you'll have to take your ass-hat off before reading it and so good luck with that. Also IF you have a modicum of sense left, you will at least click on that link - to see the real article title!

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[-] 0 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

stop airstriking people in foreign nations

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8846) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I suppose you don't care how rich the rich are, as long as the air strikes stop.

[-] 0 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

oppression is not enforceable without violence

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8846) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

violence is not restricted to air strikes

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[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33167) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 6 minutes ago

Note: ''Movement Builders Should Listen to Bernie Sanders: Focus on Mass Action, Not Candidates'' - http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/30978-movement-builders-should-listen-to-bernie-sanders-focus-on-mass-action-not-candidates You'd be better off reading and trying insights like those contained in that article by Kate Aronoff, then engaging with stupid and ignorant attacks on long established posters here.You're proving yourself an embittered, jealous, petty and very small person. Change your ways.

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Shit666! You never did say how many of the UK labor party you feel that you got to opt-out and in the end result turn things over to the Torrie party.

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[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

Thanks for putting that super link back up again. And your comment was 'right on' too. That Democrat vs Republican debate, and most of the issues that we argued over for so long were a 'diversion.' It was us who were the ones being diverted by the criminal elite, with mostly social issues, while they carried on their agenda of increasing their money and power...while simultaneously 'they' pillaged our past, present and future in all sorts of deleterious ways.

The primary method, and the only way in the forseeable future that we will achieve systemic change, is by growing our numbers and by ".activism," in all forms..and "keeping the heat on! "...f..king high!


Focusing on candates themselves, however aligned with a movement's views is a flawed way to approach achieving major progressive wins. As Arun Gandhi writes for Telesur TV, "go ahead and vote for Sanders and Clinton, but that's all. Spend the rest of your time, energy and money on building grassroots activisim." Rather than stumping for Sanders or some Warrenite spector of Hillary that will never exist, organizers might devote their time to building out movements that just won't ask for center stage come election time, but make it impossible to imagine candidates who aren't vying for those movements' support, even tapping its leaders for their cabinets. ...my emphasis

That paragragh, an op ed from Truthout's web site via lugano's link

That aproach, if our struggle embraces it, I could deal with. But I really worry about our movement being sucked into a corrupted party, where I believe, it will be put to sleep. You can bet money though, despite my love of the outdoors, pizza....and being with good, enlightened people who want to live in a country that is honest and just, like what I want ... you will NEVER see me at a rally for a candidate for either of the two corruped parties... maybe in the distant future...

On another note, I went to a community college a few months back, where Arun Gandhi spoke. It was good, but it was lacking for me, and in retrospect, I beleive it was tailored to the crowd more, who were mostly older, white and conservative surbanites, and except for the one that starts with a 'c'', I'm one of 'em, ...damn ;). I'm sure if he spoke at the Judson church, or at the Left Forum in NYC, he could have livened it up a bit, like he did in your link. Anyway, it was good to learn that he uderstands so well, and he gave us good sage advice, I think. Thanks... i needed that*

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

The R:Evolution - will be 'Rates of Evolution' and hopefully 'Rapid Evolution' requiring us to 'Repeatedly Evolve and Revolve'. We can Re-Evolve continuously IF we keep LOVE at the core of what we do and apply rhyme and reason accordingly.For some meat, muscle, bone and sinew to my hippy ramblings, please later see - http://occupywallst.org/forum/for-httpwwwleftforumorg-thom-hartmann-and-profrdwo/ and SOLIDARITY to you for http://www.leftforum.org/ Educate. Agitate. Organise.+ Long Live Occupy.

[-] 0 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

classic post, love it.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33167) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I see where Bitchworld has started a program of attacking you - so much for her BS of love and peace - hey? Not surprising really when one considers her past very passionate support for Hamas and their attacks on civilians. She has been a very passionate Hamas apologist.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22772) 2 years ago

You call me Bitchworld for this:

" [-] 0 points by beautifulworld (22449) 12 hours ago

What happened to your beloved Hillary, factsrfun? Have you forsaken her? Gee, not much loyalty. Ho hum.

So, it's not okay to weaken the likely candidate by using a 3rd party but it's okay if it's within the party? Makes no sense. If Bernie was running as an Independent would you be so loving?"

For that I'm called Bitchworld! For trying to find out why factsrfun who has been the nastiest defender of Hillary Clinton for years here has suddenly switched over to Bernie Sanders! I've seen his videos defending her and his posts here for years! I'm BITCHWORLD for asking him why this huge change!? Fuck you, Dickhead.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8846) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Please again I ask you to link to ONE time I defended Hillary! so that I can know about this "nastiest" you speak of.

Are you stupid? You don't know the difference between pushing for good candidates and electing the GOP?? You are a fucking lair or you are stupid as shit one or the other, for sure. Of course you are a fucking lair Bitchworld because you keep talking about this huge flip when you cannot not produce even one post where I was all about Hillary, if you want to know yes if Hillary becomes the best chance of beating the Damn Republican you are damn straight I will be supporting her because I am not stupid as shit, and I oppose the election of the GOP.

Here since we all know you are stupid as shit I called up the list for you which post you talking about Bitchworld?

https://occupywallst.org/forum/search/?q=user%3Afactsrfun

So BITCHWORLD fuck you!

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8846) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

People who put their names on the ballot to stroke their egos are ego whores Bernie won't do that so he will not help elect the GOP.

But really serious question what do you think about the GOP winning?

Please reply to the post or comment where I was a nasty supporter of Hillary. I have said many times and will continue to do so it is stupid as shit to let the GOP win!

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33167) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (22449) 0 minutes ago

You call me Bitchworld for this:

" [-] 0 points by beautifulworld (22449) 12 hours ago

What happened to your beloved Hillary, factsrfun? Have you forsaken her? Gee, not much loyalty. Ho hum.

So, it's not okay to weaken the likely candidate by using a 3rd party but it's okay if it's within the party? Makes no sense. If Bernie was running as an Independent would you be so loving?"

For that I'm called Bitchworld! For trying to find out why factsrfun who has been the nastiest defender of Hillary Clinton for years here has suddenly switched over to Bernie Sanders! I've seen his videos defending her and his posts here for years! I'm BITCHWORLD for asking him why this huge change!? Fuck you, Dickhead.

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And the real BW emerges - gone are the false days of beautiful world - and out into the daylight comes the Hamas apologist Bitchworld.

[-] 1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Don't confuse an expression of righteous indignation at your specious canards and malign untruths with The Fact that it is you whose true nature has been 'emerging' on this forum lately.It's shameful behavior.

I reckon bw has forgotten more than you will ever know and her beliefs in - 'Universal Human Values' trumps your parDisan defence of Likudnik Zionist Apartheid. Perhaps you'd be better off reading this short, revealing article http://www.vox.com/2014/7/7/5877375/former-security-chief-blame-the-israeli-government-not-palestinians - You show your true colors with every comment you make these days.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33167) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 4 minutes ago

Don't use an expression of righteous indignation at your specious canards and malign untruths with the fact that it is you whose true nature has been 'emerging' on this forum lately.

I reckon bw has forgotten more than you will ever know and her beliefs in - 'Universal Human Values' trumps your parDisan defence of Likudnik Zionist Apartheid. Perhaps you'd be better off reading this short, revealing article http://www.vox.com/2014/7/7/5877375/former-security-chief-blame-the-israeli-government-not-palestinians - You show your true colors with every comment you make these days.

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I have never defended the war crimes committed by the Israeli military. That would just be you tossing shit - again.

I have also never tried to defend Hamas and their war crimes. But both you and Bitchworld are passionate defenders of Hamas.

[-] 1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Nope. We and others are ''passionate'' defenders of Universal Human Rights and ''passionate'' opponents of Apartheid. Now here is an article from one of your favoured sources and which you should really try to meditate upon it carefully - http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/09/27/1332751/-Stunning-Op-Ed-in-NYT-How-Israel-Silences-Dissent# For a pseudo-progressive Dem, it's amazing how easily you defend Likud!

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33167) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 7 minutes ago

Nope. We and others are ''passionate'' defenders of Universal Human Rights and ''passionate'' opponents of Apartheid. Now here is an article from one of your favoured sources and which you should really try to meditate upon it carefully - http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/09/27/1332751/-Stunning-Op-Ed-in-NYT-How-Israel-Silences-Dissent# For a pseudo-progressive Dem, it's amazing how easily you defend Likud!

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"it's amazing how easily you defend Likud!"

I never have - that would be you tossing shit - again.

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[-] 0 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

the US loves to arm rebellions

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22772) 2 years ago

Noam Chomsky: Israel’s Actions in Palestine are "Much Worse Than Apartheid" in South Africa

http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2014/8/8/noam_chomsky_what_israel_is_doing

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22772) 2 years ago

It's very unfortunate how you have damaged this forum. Very very unfortunate. You place your own importance in front of the 99% and it's just a shame that you've had any influence here. Very sad.

[-] 1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Note ''Emerges'' - because of course you, I and the others have lives and responsibilities and work to do and so can't - unlike your ad hominem admirer, just sit here manipulating and mendaciously spewing all day. Now here's one for you for deeper insights - http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/30978-movement-builders-should-listen-to-bernie-sanders-focus-on-mass-action-not-candidates Karma spares none of us.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22772) 2 years ago

"Focusing on candidates themselves, however aligned with a movement's views, is a flawed way to approach achieving major progressive wins. As Arun Gupta writes for Telesur TV, "go ahead and vote for Sanders and Clinton, but that's all. Spend the rest of your time, energy and money on building militant grassroots activism." Rather than stumping for Sanders or some Warrenite specter of Hillary that will never exist, organizers might devote their time to building out movements that won't just ask for center stage come election time, but make it impossible to imagine candidates who aren't vying for those movements' support, even tapping its leaders for their cabinets."

Makes sense to me.

[-] 1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Ma'am, I'm recommending leaving the ''mutt'' frothing at the mouth now. Can I possibly buy you a drink where we and others may discuss ... http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/30978-movement-builders-should-listen-to-bernie-sanders-focus-on-mass-action-not-candidates and/or http://www.leftforum.org/ ?

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22772) 2 years ago

"...candidates are nothing without grassroots supporters ready and willing to take their candidates to bat should they screw up. Sanders himself told MSNBC that "No president, not Bernie Sanders, not anybody, will succeed [in taking on the oligarchs] unless there is a mass mobilization of millions of people who stand up and say enough is enough."

Looking towards the 2016 elections, those attempting to build or catalyze transformative movements should take Sanders's own advice — part of which might mean putting a little less faith in the man himself."

And, lol. :)

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8846) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Bernie has also spoken about the fact that 80% of low wage earners did not vote in 2014 and how that must change if we are to address wealth inequality, it is a core problem to convince people to vote and to vote wisely.

[-] 1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Fyi - "The Art of the Gouge": NYU as a Model for Predatory Higher Education - http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/30989-the-art-of-the-gouge-nyu-as-a-model-for-predatory-higher-education :-(

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22772) 2 years ago

"The first part of the report goes through a mind-numbing and degrading set of scams perpetrated on students, including the bait and switch of hitting them with extra charges they can’t possibly find out about before they have committed to the school, to the tune of an estimated $10,000 per year; providing mediocre education in programs that require “study abroad” while also requiring them to stay in grossly overpriced university housing; admitting a high proportion of foreign students, precisely because they pay higher fees (and predictably, NYU’s premiums are even higher than that of other schools), and offering shamelessly overpriced, narrow, and not very good health services."

Not to mention that many high school seniors feel they must apply to 15 schools and up just because the universities and colleges spend so much money on recruitment. It's a dupe. It's a way to make each college keep it's acceptance rate down, thereby "appearing" to be more difficult to get into. Meanwhile, the kids are forking over application fees and the colleges are spending millions on admissions counselors who jet set all over the place just trying to get as many kids to "apply" as possible, so that their numbers look good! It's a joke! It's not about learning, it's about money.

[-] 1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

"Student debt has become the second-largest source of U.S. household debt, after home mortgages. Outstanding student debt, which totals nearly $1.4 trillion, has climbed 86 percent since Duncan took office in January 2009, Federal Reserve data show." + ''The financialization and extraction of everything including our intellects will lead to our demise as a civilization.'' - from your reply to me below and here repeated because it needed it!

Also see .. http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/32137-georgia-is-segregating-children-with-disabilities-in-schools-used-during-jim-crow Consider when Education is a commodity, our kids become commodified and unable to reach their full potential as human beings ... but are ''farmed'' as 'humans doing'; 'humans having' and 'humans buying' - as The Only ''Freedom'' that The 0.01% ''Elite'' Parasites want for us is our ''Freedumb'' to buy their shit! Solidarity for a bw for all.Resistance Is Fertile & frankly, what's the choice?

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22772) 2 years ago

Many schools today cost over $60,000 a year. Now, the big questions: How on earth does it cost that much to educate and house and feed a person for 8 months? And, why on earth would anyone agree to pay that?

In addition, one thing that always looms in my mind is "parental debt." They do not add in the "PLUS" loans, which are parent loans, to the student loan debt numbers and it's impossible to get a total of US parent Plus loans which in reality should be added to the student debt numbers. Too scary, I suppose, so they make it elusive.

[-] 1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

''Many high school seniors feel they must apply to 15 schools and up just because the universities and colleges spend so much money on recruitment. It's a dupe. It's a way to make each college keep it's acceptance rate down, thereby "appearing" to be more difficult to get into. Meanwhile, the kids are forking over application fees and the colleges are spending millions on admissions counselors who jet set all over the place just trying to get as many kids to "apply" as possible, so that their numbers look good! It's a joke! It's not about learning, it's about money.''

Because it bears repeating. Student Debt is a MASSIVE issue, despite how little we hear about it. Also see: http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/31342-economic-update-higher-education-in-crisis by R.D.Wolff

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (22772) 2 years ago

"Obama's Ed Chief: $1.4 Trillion In Student Debt Isn't That Big Of A Deal"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/arne-duncan-student-debt_55b69595e4b0224d88335e1a?utm_hp_ref=college

"Student debt has become the second-largest source of U.S. household debt, after home mortgages. Outstanding student debt, which totals nearly $1.4 trillion, has climbed 86 percent since Duncan took office in January 2009, Federal Reserve data show."

You know, I'd blame Arne Duncan if I thought he was really behind this. But, who is behind this? The banks! The 1%! The global elite!

The financialization and extraction of everything including our intellects will lead to our demise as a civilization.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

It is. And the level of education in this country sucks as well. From 1st to 12th, and then college afterwards, its all a joke.

One big, giant, stinking pile of centrally planned garbage.

[-] 1 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

I'm giving notice that this thread is not read as often because of the lack of TWINKLES! Good reading being missed.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8846) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I have noted a mark increase in people actually posting comments instead of just dropping by to down vote comments, i see that as an improvement, it has help discussion, getting rid of the "twinkle controllers".

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[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33167) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 19 minutes ago

Ma'am, I'm recommending leaving the ''mutt'' frothing at the mouth now. Can I possibly buy you a drink where we and others may discuss ... http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/30978-movement-builders-should-listen-to-bernie-sanders-focus-on-mass-action-not-candidates and/or http://www.leftforum.org/ ?

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[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (22449) 9 minutes ago

"...candidates are nothing without grassroots supporters ready and willing to take their candidates to bat should they screw up. Sanders himself told MSNBC that "No president, not Bernie Sanders, not anybody, will succeed [in taking on the oligarchs] unless there is a mass mobilization of millions of people who stand up and say enough is enough."

Looking towards the 2016 elections, those attempting to build or catalyze transformative movements should take Sanders's own advice — part of which might mean putting a little less faith in the man himself."

And, lol. :)

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Awwwwwww . . . ain't that just the cutest? The two of you acting like you have discovered something new.

Damn straight it is gonna take millions of people getting active and staying active to take control of government and make lasting change.

Do you actually think that you are the only two ever to notice that the potus can not do the job that needs be done all by him or herself?

No - but you will pretend to be I suppose.

Funnier still - you don't even try to forward any sort of grassroots movement to take government.

No no you just continually say that it can't be done.

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[-] 0 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

I'm giving notice that this thread is worth reading but may not be because of the lack of twinkles. TWINKLE!

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22772) 2 years ago

Right. It is the twinkles that make comments go up to the top of the thread. Much easier to read when the pertinent comments rise up. The whole forum is watered down the way it is now.

[-] 1 points by gsw (3024) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 2 years ago

Twinkles restored? I see I a point for you and windy and Lugano now. Twinkle

Oh just temporary,

Was hoping

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8846) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Have you noticed that the same people who once run around the site shouting "twinkle team!" at people and saying things like "careful your twinkle team can't help you now" and such are the same people who have been bitching about the twinkle going away?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33167) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (22449) 4 minutes ago

It's very unfortunate how you have damaged this forum. Very very unfortunate. You place your own importance in front of the 99% and it's just a shame that you've had any influence here. Very sad.

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What is sad - is - you thinking that you and your bully buddies would go unchallenged in your propaganda bullshit of urging everyone to do nothing and just opt-out and walk away. Totally unrealistic and very pathetic.

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

You're having conversations with yourself. Nobody is saying - ''do nothing and just opt out'' here ... NOT even you! The problem is your idea of doing something prioritises ''Vote Dem'' above everything because you think that this time it will somehow be better or much different. I hate to break it to you .. but Hillary Clinton will be your next POTUS and she is Very Much a ... Neoliberal Economics and Neocon Foreign Policy espousing, Corporations' and Banker's, 0.01%er, who's very far from Occupy Pro-99% principles.

You'll be far better off spending time reading this - http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/30978-movement-builders-should-listen-to-bernie-sanders-focus-on-mass-action-not-candidates Try it.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33167) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 0 minutes ago

You're having conversations with yourself. No body is saying ''do nothing and just opt out'' here - NOT even you! The problem is your idea of doing something prioritises ''Vote Dem'' above everything because you think that this time it will somehow be better or much different. Hate to break it to you but Hillary Clinton will be your next POTUS and she's a Neoliberal Economics and Neocon Foreign Policy espousing - Corporations and Banker's, Establishment 0.01%er - who very far from Occupy Pro-99% principles.

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If the Hag ends up as the next potus - you can pat yourself on the back for doing nothing to prevent it. Which listening to your endless bullshit is pretty much what you want = no change. You support the control of the 1% as you forward nothing to prevent it or to end it.

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Admit it - you just can't see or imagine beyond one (s)election cycle - right?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33167) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 1 minute ago

Admit it - you just can't see or imagine beyond one (s)election cycle - right?

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Apparently (if not for your constantly telling people not to try to make a difference) that would be you - at least you would prefer people to think that ( saying constantly that the people can not make a difference through use of their vote) - rather than understand that you do not want the people to make a change in the make-up of government in continuing election cycles and never stopping through all future election cycles.

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Sadly, when you say ''apparently'' - it should be 'apparent' to others IF not you, that your expressions of reactionary, subjective opinion are not the same as empirical, objective - facts. Making up lies and then trying to incessantly repeat them - is the work of a parDisan hack and/or a vulgar propagandist. We who subscribe to OWS' Pro-99% Universal Values here, just don't and won't fold quietly when faced with the choice of Tyranny or Duopoly AND Especially Not .. The Tyranny OF Duopoly! Ask what OWS is about. Finally, try to consider - http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/31000-capitalism-could-kill-all-life-on-earth

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8846) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Have you voted in Thom Hartman's poll asking if Republicans will finally stop trying to kill Obamacare?

http://www.thomhartmann.com/polls/2015/06/will-republicans-finally-give-repealing-obamacare

Have you seen his latest show where he tells the GOP to suck it up over recent SCOTUS rulings:

http://www.thomhartmann.com/bigpicture/full-show-62615-supreme-court-suck-it-gop

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Congratulations on finally discovering Thom Hartmann. More news for you: He is way to The Left of you!

So what does that or might that tell you? You're too exposed to GOPers in AZ and they've infected you!

Also btw, fyi, pls see.. http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/31557-political-profiteers-push-ohio-s-pot-vote

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33167) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 0 minutes ago

Here comes the 'song and dance' copy/paste routine to enable the instant brainfart in preference of the slower thought out response. You may live for this attention in your life but it's mostly tedious for me (and I speculate for others too). Here - get your knickers all bunched up over this - http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/30939-jade-helm-15-is-not-a-federal-takeover-it-s-domestic-military-expansion and ask how a Dem POTUS enables it and how another will allow it next year?

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1st track: (Dancing) "When we want to change the subject to put it back on someone else - because we can't defend a position that we have been pressured on - ooo look something shiny - and we will be relentless repeating it to infinity in every place we can find to place it"

dancing............ Dancing............. DANCING................ we're a dancing machine

Ah baby

Move it baby

dancing . . . Dancing . . . DANCING . . .

. . . . we're a dancing machine . . . Ah baby

Move it baby

We dance to avoid to evade as we got nothing to provide . . . . Who needs substance - dancing is easier to do then actually most anything else . . . . . .

cause we're dancing............ Dancing............. DANCING................ we're a dancing machine . . . . . . ooo LOOK something shiny . . . . .

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[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Yaaawwwwwn and fyi: http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/30987-an-open-letter-to-obama-if-you-want-money-for-the-climate-tax-wall-street Maybe you should be arguing on Democrat fora for ideas like that instead of trying to manipulate this long standing OWS Forum into being something that it is not.Hmm.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33167) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 1 minute ago

Sadly, when you say ''apparently'' - it should be 'apparent' to others IF not you - that your expressions of reactionary, subjective opinion are NOT the same of empirical, objective - facts. Making up lies and then trying to incessantly repeat them - is the work of a parDisan hack and/or a vulgar propagandist. We who subscribe to OWS' Pro-99% Universal Values here don't and won't fold quietly when faced with either Tyranny or Duopoly AND Especially Not - The Tyranny OF Duopoly!

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11th track: (We erroneously conflate)

We erroneously conflate the dems and reps - as it provides us with cover as being against the system - while it throws mud at those who do not deserve it - and basically works to help people to choose to opt out of the process rather than make any united attempt to remove the actively evil from government - and so we support the status quo - "of this country being given to the 1%" - while hiding behind a claim of being revolutionary supporters of the people.

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[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Here comes the 'song and dance'; copy/paste routine to enable the instant brainfart in preference of the slower thought out response. You may live for this attention in your life .. but it is mostly tedious for me (and I speculate for others too). Here, try to get your knickers all bunched up over this: http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/30939-jade-helm-15-is-not-a-federal-takeover-it-s-domestic-military-expansion and ask how a Dem POTUS enables it now and how another will allow it next year on and then - how it would be any different with any Repugnant POTUS that you may be able to imagine?!

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33167) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 9 minutes ago

Yaaawwwwwn and fyi: http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/30987-an-open-letter-to-obama-if-you-want-money-for-the-climate-tax-wall-street Maybe you should be arguing on Democrat fora for ideas like that.

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Tax wall street transactions. Now . . . where have I heard that before . . . Gosh does this mean that you are gonna start backing Bernie's run for potus?

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[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (22772) 2 years ago

No, what was truly pathetic was you claiming to be the big defender of democracy but killing the vote here on the forum. You whined until the vote was killed purely because you lost the vote most of the time. That is what is pathetic.

The vote here was important because it allowed for consensus on what comments were interesting and important and in line with Occupy. But you killed it because you weren't winning. That is what is pathetic.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33167) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (22449) 0 minutes ago

No, what was truly pathetic was you claiming to be the big defender of democracy but killing the vote here on the forum. You whined until the vote was killed purely because you lost the vote most of the time. That is what is pathetic.

The vote here was important because it allowed for consensus on what comments were interesting and important and in line with Occupy. But you killed it because you weren't winning. That is what is pathetic.

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Sucks to be you and your stinkle team - Hey? Pissing and moaning about a meaningless point system on a forum - while throwing away your very real real-world voting rights and advocating for others to do the same and just walk away and leave the government and the world to the top of the 1% and the corp(se)oRATions..

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (22772) 2 years ago

There is no such thing as a Stinkle Team. People just don't want your thoughts shoved down their throats so they voted you down when they didn't agree with you. Period, end of story.

People here are far to the left of you and understand what Occupy is all about. And, you just don't like it. You want the status quo. You are fighting for the 1%.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33167) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (22449) 0 minutes ago

There is no such thing as a Stinkle Team. People just don't want your thoughts shoved down their throats so they voted you down when they didn't agree with you. Period, end of story.

People here are far to the left of you and understand what Occupy is all about. And, you just don't like it. You want the status quo. You are fighting for the 1%.

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BW tossing shit - what a surprise - NOT.

None of you (stinkle teamers) forward any positive action for the people to unite in - and carry forward. All you ever do say - is - opt-out because you can't make a difference.

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[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8846) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

BW is and has always been nothing but a political hack bent on co-opting OWS to her own ego driven bullshit party.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33167) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

If you are talking about BW as being a covert rethuglican - I could believe that - but co-opting OWS would not be likely - no she is only concerned with controlling this site and in so doing promote her opt out BS freely - along with her buddies.

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[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8846) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I think bw is a Green Party ego whore who is so stupid she elects the GOP by mistake, but she doesn't care about that because she is a political hack who cares only for her bullshit party.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22772) 2 years ago
[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8846) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

ahh how "beautiful" of you,

You are the scum of the earth a political hack bent on personal power and don't give a damn about what happens to the country for you to get it.

Is there even one sign at the park that doesn't reflect the evil done by W Bush, who was only in office because blind as bat ego whore Nader just had to see his name on the ballot. Really couldn't see a difference between W Bush and Al Gore lairs and the blind can not lead.

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Other than ''Vote Dem'' - have you anything else to offer The 99%? Your fixation on Nader and the 2000 election and near deification of Al Gore .. show how stuck you are in a past that still shackles you and holds you back from the possibilities of the future.

Good BS is running & enthusing you but no doubt he'd be called all sorts of names by you, IF he'd run as an Independent - which he'd been all his political career. The evidence of your posts and comments here, marks you down as the ''ego whore and political hack'' for The Democratic Party - something that OWS has always avoided. So lead on frf, with your white-stick firmly in hand and see who here follows.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8846) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

lots of links but none to these "posts" you claim to have made....

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Your fixation on Nader and the 2000 election and near deification of Al Gore .. show how stuck you are in a past that still shackles you and holds you back from the possibilities of the future. + Fyi please do see: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/21/americas-oligarchy-not-democracy-or-republic-unive/ .. I ''post'' comments and replies to you often but I'm not totally bored by it yet!

Go ahead, try to''Open Your Mind'' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sPUpKGI1Z4

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8846) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

transaction tax, single payer health care, remove the cap on social security these are all things I have posted on, do you ever post about anything except hating on the Dems?

Yes anybody who does anything that increases the chance that a Republican will win is stupid as shit, Bernie is not stupid.

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Yes, ''Bernie is not stupid'' - which is exactly why he was an independent for all his political career. I am not under any illusion that you'd be on his case IF he were saying the same things as an ''Independent''!

Of course I agree with a 'Tobin Tax'; Universal Healthcare and Direct Taxation on all income from higher earners for Social Security, so your question in bold is nothing but rhetorical flourish - as I've posted on these things too. You'd be better off comparing and contrasting ...

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/31781-eric-holder-returns-to-wall-street-tied-law-firm-after-years-of-refusing-to-jail-bankers and

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/31758-a-socialist-surge-in-the-us-bernie-sanders-draws-record-crowds-praises-greek-anti-austerity-vote

You try to denigrate the ''Left Pull'' effect of OWS on people like BS, but others can see it for what it is.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33167) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

21st track "(All we have is rhetoric)"

We hope that that is enough to get you to agree to do nothing.

OH - but we don't mind if while taking no action to take control of government in a legal manner - that you go out and legally protest how shitty things are and get beaten up and arrested (illegally) by the cops.

If you protest often enough while taking no political action to take control of government - we fully expect that martial law could be called down upon you.

But HEY - that's OK with Us - because we are all about supporting the 1%er status-quo. How better can we protect that then by getting you all to do nothing in the political arena in your state or for your federal representation.

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[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22772) 2 years ago

LOL! It came from my heart, and before I even got my coffee! And, you are right, that is exactly why they sabotaged BCT. They don't like solidarity among occupiers.

[-] 1 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

The DNC ''don't like'' Occupiers! Period.

Ergo SOLIDARITY @ u bw & all others.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22772) 2 years ago

Exactly. The Democratic Party has been working hard at co-opting Occupy Wall Street since day one. Why? Because they left their "left" behind a long time ago and they know it. But, this movement, the Occupy movement is amorphous and it's an idea, not something they can actually takeover so easily, though they work hard at it. They don't get it, that Occupy is not about the status quo, it's not about this political party or that political party. It's about fairness and justice and equality and human rights in the whole, in the global sense of the whole.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22772) 2 years ago

Thanks, and twinkles to you and turbo below. SOLIDARITY FOREVER! And, on that note, END AUSTERITY FOR THE 99%!!

Massive march in London today against the Tories but it's a global problem facing all of us! No more austerity for the 99% while entitlements prevail for bankers, the wealthy and corporations. It's immoral and unjust!

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

If Dems liked the entire concept of OWS they wouldn't have shut it down, right?

Leave to useful idiots like Democrat and Republican registered voters to endorse the very people that hate them.

Fuckin idiots. So predictable.

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[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33167) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

20th track "(We really really really are not about Direct Democracy)"

As people could tell if only people paid attention to our activities

Lucky for us the people do not and so we can continue with our politi-speak = talking endlessly while saying "really" nothing at all - nothing of any value - see also: endlessly arguing circular "public self defeating" logic, tossing shit, spouting specious aspersions, trying to hide in the light, etc etc etc

Lucky thing that more people don't ask us why:

"Why don't you take over government for the people from within?"

"Seeing as you don't have a national party in place to successfully run your candidates in all 50 states - WHY don't you run your candidates as dems and reps?"

Well we would just have to say (and we do) that the people can't be successful that way. Better we say - if we all stay away - and just protest for government to get better.

We really do not want people to consider a possible winner by doing things like Bernie Sanders and run as a dem for a real chance to win - and have "more" people running on the issues where they can legitimately destroy their opponents in office or also running for office - by pointing out past voting records showing non support for the people - even showing active attacks on the people - or even calling on them to declare a public stance.

Gosh that would ruin our whole "public self defeating" circular do nothing opt out and just protest logic.

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[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33167) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

19th track "(We are not about Democracy)"

As some can plainly see

We feign to support it

While doing our best to get the public not to participate to own it or control it

We spout propaganda while trying to expound that the public is unable to make a difference and so should just protest instead of voting out those working against them - as that would be futile

Thus we get a lot of mileage to argue our meaningless "public self defeating" circular logic arguments - that to make a difference one must opt out

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[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33167) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

10th track: (Tossing Shit)

As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction = public self defeating) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie to our bullshit - "who shine the light on our bullshit").

The putdown we use on others is simple - and with it in play - we then retreat - to our constant tactic of providing nothing while saying much (politi-speak = talking endlessly while saying "really" nothing at all - nothing of any value - see also: endlessly arguing circular "public self defeating" logic).

Tossing shit - we love it.

  • by (mdonelly, turbocharger, lugano, windyacres - harmonizing & the Cronies singing back-up)

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[-] 0 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

property is the means of wealth not career

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[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8846) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I have not been able to keep up with the site, true the site has little to do with OWS, it might have at one point but as with most things ego got in the way.

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