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Forum Post: Who leads OWS now that GAs and direct democracy have been abandoned?

Posted 2 years ago on June 14, 2012, 3:24 a.m. EST by shadzhairart (-357)
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Who leads OWS now that GAs and direct democracy have been abandoned?

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[-] 2 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 2 years ago

http://www.nycga.net/events/event/community-meeting-to-discuss-the-general-assembly/

Community Meeting To Discuss The General Assembly

Liberty Plaza Liberty Plaza New York City, NY 10006

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Date/Time Date(s) - Sat. Jun 16 2012 6:00 PM - 9:00 PM

Location Liberty Plaza Liberty Plaza New York City, NY 10006 Contact: smckeown Category:

Assembly We are coming up on three months since the failure of the General Assembly and Spokes Council models in their current forms to fairly represent the needs and interests of the community. As part of this crisis of pushing onward with unfair systems that did not leave enough room for the human elements, or start with basic social conduct agreements that protected those in attendance and ensured for a safe space as a prerequisite to holding an assembly, these models lost the faith of the community and were left untouched until the community felt ready to address these issues and begin to repair these structures.

For some time now, interest in figuring out what went wrong so that we can recapture the magic of the General Assembly (without all the problems it allowed for) has led to a lot of questions and community meetings. The recent Summer Reboot discussions, however, are not focused specifically on the General Assembly, wanting to look at all of our social interactions and structural models… not just the assembly bodies we used for making decisions. There has been considerable interest in having just such a discussion, focusing on what worked about the General Assembly and what didn’t work, enough that it seems appropriate now to have a community discussion about exactly that topic.

We have tried some new tools to have meaningful discussions that can be tried in the context of our General Assemblies, such as the Open Spaces model or community meetings, while other Occupies have tried other variations in order to fix or adjust the consensus process to fit their needs. Some things that needed addressing were never meaningfully addressed, such as the encroaching lack of civility and how to deal with violence at meetings. Occupy has ‘grown up’ by three months since the last time we had a regular assembly cycle – surely we have learned something new from three more months’ experience we could discuss?

While the GA’s didn’t stop happening based on a formal consensus process, hopefully their return (or, if they aren’t wanted to continue, not) can be based on the will of the group as a whole as a meaningful group decision. The subject of this discussion will be intended to analyze the strengths and failings of the current assembly models, how to alter them to fit Occupy Wall Street, its needs and its intentions more fully, and whether the community wishes to restore group assemblies and if so, how often.

There is also a Facebook event page for this community meeting; please feel free to join it or invite others to join it.

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[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

why are the general assemblies collapsing when the Philadelphia summit is supposed to take place in July ?

[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 2 years ago

I dunno.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

I feel we may have been undermined

[-] -2 points by shadzhairart (-357) 2 years ago

The GAs collapsed because they were not efficient. They didn't work. OWS has been without direct democracy for 3 months now, but still decisions are being made by some leaders.

[-] -2 points by shadzhairart (-357) 2 years ago

"Assembly We are coming up on three months since the failure of the General Assembly and Spokes Council models"

It's been 3 months since there was a general assembly or a spoke's council. Who has made decisions since then? Who planned all the activities for the summer. There are leaders. Who are they.

[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 2 years ago

I don't know. I saw this post and got curious so i visited the NYGA site and then brought that here. I always believed that there are leaders, even if they don't know they are leaders. And a good thing too. At least Occupy has continued to function to protest, to be known. That's thanks to the leaders whoever they are. Bless them.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

who ever runs the news of the front page

demand elections be national and state holidays

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6883) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

and who ever carries the message in their heart

[-] -2 points by shadzhairart (-357) 2 years ago

Ya, that's what I'm wondering. OWS doesn't have a GA anymore, so I imagine there are leaders now making decisions for all of us. Like what types of protest to do (Queer stuff seems prominent this summer), etc...

Are you also gay?

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 2 years ago

Can you book me in for a trim and ten foils?

And do you do pedicures too?

[-] -1 points by shadzhairart (-357) 2 years ago

Are you in nz? If so, drop by! http://www.shadz.co.nz/

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

GA's still in Tampa, but numbers are WAY down.

Direct Democracy was a farce from the get go.

[-] 0 points by shadzhairart (-357) 2 years ago

How so?

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Direct Democracy means that the masses get whatever they want at anytime, and minority groups get no say.

That bullshit vote in CA that didnt get gay marriage to pass is proof. Many southern states would outlaw abortion, which Im sure OWS doesnt support.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28242) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Better the masses then the .01%.

Healthy society works for all of the people.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

I agree to a certain extent. But I do think we need some sort of a Republic that provides for certain rights for all, that cannot be changed because the "masses" want it.

I do agree that I would almost rather see us hang ourselves than have the hanging due to the super rich.

[-] 0 points by shadzhairart (-357) 2 years ago

That's when a majority is used. OWS was using a consensus model.

I thought you had particular examples of problems in Occupy GAs. No?

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Anyone that has spent anytime at GA's knows the grueling difficulty that using consensus was. Table this, table that, someone shows up three days later and blocks it, etc.

Even the smallest decisions were painful to watch.