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Forum Post: What Martin Luther King was about

Posted 2 years ago on Nov. 2, 2012, 3:07 p.m. EST by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY
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I know i could get in trouble here for saying this but...

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAkingML.htm

"King now concentrated on achieving a federal voting-rights law. In March 1965 he organized a protest march from Selma to the state capitol building in Montgomery, Alabama. King was not with the marchers when they were attacked by state troopers with nightsticks and tear gas. He did lead the second march but upset some of his younger followers when he turned back at the Pettus Bridge when faced by a barricade of state troopers. After the attacks on King's supporters at Selma, Lyndon Baines Johnson attempted to persuade Congress to pass his Voting Rights Act. This legislation proposed to remove the right of states to impose restrictions on who could vote in elections. Johnson explained how: "Every American citizen must have an equal right to vote. Yet the harsh fact is that in many places in this country men and women are kept from voting simply because they are Negroes."

Although opposed by politicians from the Deep South, the Voting Rights Act was passed by large majorities in the House of Representatives (333 to 48) and the Senate (77 to 19). The legislation empowered the national government to register those whom the states refused to put on the voting list..."

In refusing to even speak about the current disenfranchisement of Black people OWS has given up the moral right to parade around under the banner of Martin Luther King.

Now, if this post lasts even an hour, watch the white power frineds of the hall monitors contingent punce....

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[-] 6 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

Occupy already spends too much of it's energy focusing on a multitude of issues. We need to focus on the economic and political stranglehold that big business and government have over our lives. We're all being disenfranchised.

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 2 years ago

I have mixed feelings about focusing on one issue. Crony capitalism or neoliberalism has played itself out on different people in different ways.

We have to let these people know that we are empathetic to their particular plight, while educating them on the common cause of all of our plights. And that is a government that answers to corporate and banking interests first, and not the people's interests.

From there, we have to make these people feel that they can be empowered by standing together, and joining OWS or an affiliated group.

As i said recently in another thread, throughout this country's history, people have felt that they can affect positive social, and economic change, when their government was unresponvive to their grievances, and they succeeded.

This feeling of hopelessness that most people have today is a relatively new phenomena, so convincing people that by standing together, we can bring about a sea change in the way our political and financial institutions is a must.

As shadz pointed out in one of his posts, courage begets courage.

~Odin~

[-] 4 points by gnomunny (6885) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

Someone on a different thread tonight relayed a good idea from Nader. He said everyone should start referring to government as "corporate government" from now on. Periodically, someone is going to ask you why you keep referring to it that way. Everyone that asks is a potential convert.

[-] 3 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 2 years ago

That's a great idea, and I will practice it on here,(call me on it if i forget). If repetitive catch phrases are what helped get us in this shitty situation, the same tactic could work in reverse. I have said on here recently that we should refer to the the MSM as the Corrupt MSM, or the CMSM.

Just before leaving for AK last week, i went to NYC to meet with some of my young friends in OTS. Very admirably, I found out later that they have been helping people, 'hands on' with the Hurricane Sandy relief efforts. I'm not surprised, as they are a great bunch of kids. Anyway before getting side-tracked, and before meeting them, I went to Union Square where OWS keeps a constant day-time presence, to pick up some OWS lit to bring to AK. Ben and Jerrys was there giving away free ice cream, but before you got a Cherry Garcia (in my case) cone you had to bring a dollar to this guy who stamped it, "Not To Be Used For Bribing Politicians." Then you showed it to the people who were dishing out the ice cream, for a free ice cream. The guy who stamped your dollar was Ben Cohen, co-founder of B&Js. Anyway i liked the idea so much, I donated $10 for a stamp, so these are now in circulation in AK now.

Any and all forms of exposing this rotten system, and resistance should be encouraged.

~Odin~

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (6885) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

That's a great idea about the dollar bills. Are those stamps available online? B&J's website maybe?

Great to hear about OTS getting involved with Sandy. Like you say, it's no surprise. Just like it's no surprise the OWS did as well. It's what they're all about.

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 2 years ago

I agree, it is a great idea, and according to Ben, it's not illegal (I asked him). I don't know if they are available on line, but i would imagine that it would not cost too much to have one made up. I have seen it before, with simular words, and an oval drawn around them that came to a point, so that it looked like the words were coming out of the mouth of the President or whoever. It is neat because the replaceable ink pad is built right into the stamp, and i assume you can get different colors.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6885) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

I like it. I suspect though that as soon as that note gets to the bank it gets pulled. I don't think they'd take as kindly to it as they did the "Where's George" thing that went around a few years ago. I'd be willing to try though. Confine it to ones and they may let them slide.

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 2 years ago

I don't stamp every bill I get, just a few here and there. It is a great way to get the message spread.

[-] 2 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 2 years ago

Dems don't focus on issues and neither does OWS. What separates the two is that OWS will remain leaderless.

[-] 1 points by gsw (2728) 2 years ago

Not that i am a corporatist dem, but as far as "lack of focus" on issues, from personal experience,

There are always many issues, and throw in a touch of ADHD, and personal lack of political drive, and having a job family etc.

Ows being leaderless, seems like a core belief here.

So yes. I agree with your point of view.

[-] -1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 2 years ago

If you are asking me to defend the dems, you are asking the wrong person. VQkag would be that man for that job, not me.

Wasn't the recent successful struggle in Montreal, which saw hundreds of thousands of people in the streets, leaderless, with the possible exception of several student groups who co-ordinated this very courageous movement.

~Odin~

[-] 1 points by freakyfriday (179) 2 years ago

Don't know about Montreal, but can talk about the Leaderless Arab Spring. What's that got them? SHARIA LAW...Egypt..check. Libya...on their way. Somalia, Tunisia, Mali......

You need leaders with a plan or something worse will fill the vacuum.

[-] 0 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 2 years ago

I believe that there are a lot of dynamics in the Middle East and North Africa that we do not understand, so I don't think that they are good examples.

Our neighbors to the north, Canada, and even Iceland are a different case though. Neither, to my knowledge had singular leaders. They indeed have been very successful too.

The first step to our eventual success is to educate people on what has been going on here, and to restore their sense of 'outrage.' The latter is something that has been missing from our country for a long time, and the CMSM has a lot to do with that.

~Odin~

[-] 0 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 2 years ago

Wasn't getting snarky. I have mixed feeling too but I'd say stay with what it is.

[-] 0 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 2 years ago

No i did not mean to be "snarky" in my reply either. At one time not that long ago. I would have agreed with you, but not any more.

[-] 1 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 2 years ago

You can convince me of your sincerity by showing me similar comments from yourself when Occupy called for intervention in Syria right here on these very forum pages: http://occupywallst.org/article/oct-20-global-solidarity-day-syrian-people/

or about elections in Russia :http://occupywallst.org/article/happening-now-pussyriotnyc-solidarity-actions-impr/

Iran

http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/24/occupy-wall-street-denies-and-denounces-ahmadinejad/

Mexico

http://occupywallst.org/forum/call-solidarity-mexico/

Okay show me where you are at.

[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

How are we going to effect change in Russia or Iran when we can't even do it in the U.S.? Exactly the kind of lack of focus we must avoid.

[-] 1 points by gsw (2728) 2 years ago

there was a really good Bill Moyers on this issue Nov. 2. "the economic and political stranglehold that big business and government have over our lives. We're all being disenfranchised." ... "...The program spotlights the book Winner-Take-All Politics: How Washington Made the Rich Richer – And Turned Its Back on the Middle Class and its authors, Jacob Hacker and Paul Pierson. Bill Moyers notes that right from this very first broadcast we said that our series would focus on income inequality, corruption and the undue influence of Corporate America on a government bought and paid for by big business. Together they’re the proverbial elephant in the room politicians refuse to acknowledge – “all but unmentioned in the presidential debates and barely discussed throughout this long and painful election campaign” – but the source of the dysfunction and inertia that paralyze Congress, the White House – and the nation."

(yea. if we were to show up like the tea partiers, bearing our 2nd ammendment rights, more notice would be taken.)

Pretty convincing the middle class has been conned by the 1 percent via the politicians and lobbyits. http://billmoyers.com/2012/11/02/this-weeks-hurricane-edition-of-moyers-company/

[-] 0 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 2 years ago

Bill Moyers is the only reporter worth his salt as far as I can see. I'll make sure and watch this, as i have seen most of his other shows. Thanks.

~Odin~

[-] 1 points by gsw (2728) 2 years ago

Bill tells it plainly.

http://billmoyers.com/episode/on-winner-take-all-politics/

This should be link to the broadcast, Odin.

http://econ4.org/ And here's a site by economists, (also against the 1 percent who say this is all hippy - weed induced jealousy.)

One point I am starting to see, with "fairness of system being taken by 1 percent and politicians," it seems to me people will start to not value the laws of the land, more commonly, if the laws and system are so blatantly corrupt, and protect an aristocracy, and as well jeopardize democracy, if too many loose faith in the system.

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 2 years ago

Thanks for the links. I will definitely check them out tonight. It is important to listen to both sides of the story. This struggle is about 'justice' more than anything else. Having laws applied fairly, no matter what status a person has attained in life. I think a lot of people have already lost respect for a system that clearly has not done that.

~Odin~

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6885) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

I've heard good things about him, but don't think I've seen him.

[-] 0 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 2 years ago

He's had a lot of good shows. Just google his name, and you can watch 'em. His commentaries after the interviews are often the best part. I am quite certain that he came out of retirement too, when Occupy came along, so most of the shows closely parallel what we are concerned about here, and of course what everyone should be concerned about.

[-] 0 points by gnomunny (6885) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

Yeah, I'll have to check some YouTube videos. I should be able to borrow my sister's old laptop pretty soon so i can catch up on a bunch I have bookmarked as well.

[-] 0 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 2 years ago

Or just go to his web site.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6885) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

True. Still would like to hear a talk or interview. Check out his attitude and such. It'd give you a much better feel for the guy.

[-] 0 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 2 years ago

Good idea. Maybe he has a commentary on youtube too. Like you, he has made some mistakes (OK me too ;-), as I believe he worked in the Johnson administration during the Viet Nam War. Anyway, he has redeemed himself big time, and he should be cloned.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6885) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

"Anyway, he has redeemed himself big time, and he should be cloned."

Me too. That I should be cloned, I mean. :)

[-] 0 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 2 years ago

What can i do to help gnomunny? ;-) Good Night.

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 2 years ago

OWS quest for justice encompasses all people who are disenfranchised, as evidenced by our speaking out against the corrupt Prison Industrial Complex, which affects far more Blacks detrimentally than whites, and we have every right to feel an affinity with the Civil Rights movement. Both were/are about social and economic justice. That is not to say though that Black people have not suffered for far longer than most of us white folks have. And yes, more of us should have been standing alongside you long before some of these injustices started to play out on us too. However some of us were there for your people as evidenced by the Freedom Rides, and my Dad who attended the 1963 March on Washington.

~Odin~

[-] 0 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 2 years ago

testing- okay I'm not banned yet. Ask your dad what the March was about. I was an organizer for the March in my High School. Ask him if it had anything to do with Black people's right to vote. Ask him if that demand was not among the most central demands that MLK raised. BTW I am not Black. I don't think one has to be Black to stand up for the rights, the most basic fundamental rights, of Black people.Your use of "us" and "you" sort of give something away. I'm not saying you're evil, you doubtlessly are a very well intentioned person. Now think for a moment- is it logical that OWS campaign for free, fair and transparent elections in Iran, Russia and Mexico but not for African Americans in Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida? Now if an African American reviews this website to see if she wants to be a part of this thing what will that appear to be? Yeah, hypocrisy.

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 2 years ago

Unfortunately, I cannot ask my Dad those questions as I lost my Dad when i was a young man. I can understand the anger of the blacks when most of the the rest of us did not respond to the injustices that they incurred. This is a wound that i hope OWS will do better with healing, and there are signs that this is happening.

Although I have told this story before on this forum, I will tell it again. Last MLK day, I took part in a March from Liberty Square to St John the Devine Church on 112th St, where we gathered on the steps, and met up with other people, and speeches were made. From there, we did a candle-light march to Riverside Church on 120th St. ( a total of 8-9 miles, I think). At that church where MLK gave his famous Beyond Vietnam speech in 1967, and where he broke from the Johnson administration in support of the war, we were joined by another large contingent of people. There were singers, speakers, and dancers there....Occupy The Hood was there, as in mother-hood, father-hood, neighbor-hood, et. I wore a beautiful hand-made scarf that one of my daughters had made me, and on that scarf was pinned my red, white, and blue Equal Rights in '63 button. I proudly answered the queries as to how I got that 4 in. diameter button. And truly, it was my most memeorable day/night as an OWS member.

~Odin~

[-] 0 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Interesting that there even is an "Occupy the hood." I'm not an expert on that particular group but is the drift that they are mainly if not entirely non whites who sympathize with OWS but perhaps feel that they cannot submerge the needs specific to their communities to generalizations about 99 percent (ie whites not saying it's about white stuff but being about white stuff.)

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 2 years ago

Yes, that night at Riverside Church (near Harlem) was the first that I have heard of Occupy The Hood. I too am not an expert on this subject. However I do know that there are some divisions between a people that have been experiencing repression for decades, centuries even, and people who only have endured it for a far shorter period of time. It is my understanding that in some cities these OTH groups are working on merging together with the Occupy movement, and in other cities, Occupy the Hoods want to remain autonomous, but work closely with the Occupy movement because for the most part, our goals are the same, and there is strength in numbers.

Also i know that the group that I have been a member of Occupy Town Square has had, and wants to have more events in minority neighborhoods in the coming year. In any event, this struggle is about healing those divisions, and channeling our outrage, at the financial and political elite who have set up this corrupt, rigged system that has affected most of us so negatively.

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/10/occupy_the_hood.php

~Odin~

[-] -1 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 2 years ago

No doubt the current situation has hurt millions of white people and they're feeling oppressed. Just yesterday evening, while I was driving my taxi (stopped for coffee) I observed two white women who were not together but were in competition, going through discarded food outside a supermarket in the West Village. The younger one had a bike she leaned against a parked car and the older one, well, she broke my heart how sad her face was. Sniffing discarded fruits to see if they were edible.

It seems, though that many non whites have not been convinced that whites really could have their true interests at heart. Looking through this thread and forum they would get lots of confirmation.

I hope the day comes when there is no DKAtoday or any other white power radical like we have here giving this impression, and that one day no one will imagine such a problem.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Fuck you asshole - I am for unity the unity of all people - you seem to have a penchant for pushing division though - some day may there be no more divisive assholes - like yourself.

[-] 1 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Sticks and stones may hurt my bones but assholery like you display is just hilarious, fool. Like the guy on NPR says "Minnesotans are very humorous people."

[-] -2 points by WSmith (1429) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Shadz, quit faking it.

[-] 2 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 2 years ago

I'm not Shadz though Shadz is okay by me. Very happy today!!! In the contest between the bigots and the sell outs the bigots got whumped. Now it's time to get busy in the streets.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (1429) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago
[-] 1 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Did - I think you and I are more on the same page than not so. These are exhilarating days. The bigots are licking their wounds and shouting at each other. Great! Onward and forward!!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

R U shouting at other divisive assholes like yourself? Good - but kinda strange to see you so happy about shouting at your divisive comrades. Did you guys fail in your efforts and are now blaming each other(?) or what?

[-] 1 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Divisive? Our coalition was oppressed minorities, single women, union members, idealistic young people, other whites of good will and opposed to the crass bigotry of the Republicans. Your coalition was, white evangelicals, cultified Mormons, old white racists from south of the Mason-Dixon Line (read about that in your google) and isolated white power "leftists" who wanted to make their personal statements - which they did! "Us narcissistic 'leftists' could give a flying fuck about black people, latinos, gays, low income women and the unions." Your message has been read loud and clear narcissistic asshole.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

U R insane. You were preaching white hate - I have been pushing for unity. You have been trying to divide not unite. The BS that you do you try to put on me. R U a RINO? A disciple of the defeated mittens - trying to disguise yourself?

[-] -1 points by WSmith (1429) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Awesome!!!

Postcard petition of shame!

Hit the link, print on a (4x6?) card, slap on a stamp, and send!!!

[-] 2 points by bestevidence (170) 2 years ago

Do you know that more people voted for Democratic Party Congressional candidates than voted for GOP candidates, yet the GOP, by stealth and cunning, and illegitimately now dominate the House of Representatives? Donald Trump wants to "march on Washington"? We need to do that and demand democracy! We voted for a Democratic Congress!!!!

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1429) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

We need to do many things.

[-] 0 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 2 years ago

A lot of the dumpster divers in NYC prefer Whole Foods, as they have a higher standard for freshness than most food markets. It is sad to see people who have to do that to survive. There is no doubt, if the 'oppression' were not visited upon the white people, that many would still be asleep to the plight of black and/or poor people. We now have more common interests, and in time when we learn to work together better, we will be a powerful force.

~Odin~

[-] 0 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 2 years ago

It wasn't a Whole Foods it was a more run of the mill supermarket, and these ladies looked rather sad.

Yes, the election shows that many white women and young whites also are getting past white supremacism as are even a large minority of older white men- especially outside Dixie.

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 2 years ago

Change does not come quickly, and often it is the younger generation leading the way. At the risk of becoming irrelevant in a new world, and with a lot of introspection, older people can change for the better. There is no better example of this I think than the guy who beat up Freedom Rider, John Lewis in a South Carolina bus station. Years later, this man apologized on television, and in person. Now a Congressman, John Lewis forgave him. It is a wondefful story of redemption, and forgiveness.

~Odin~

[-] 2 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Forgiveness is best served after the apology.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

John Lewis is a great man And one of best progressive soldiers fighting for the 99%.

The man who beat him is the kind RW wacko we must eliminate from positions of authority. Good to see him admitting his profound failure as a human being. Hopefully he is making up everyday for his ugliness.

[-] 1 points by Coyote88 (-24) 2 years ago

You are suggesting that OWS should concentrate on so called "black issues"?

[-] 1 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 2 years ago

They could start by giving those issues, like the basic right to vote here in the USA, the same effort and solidarity that they gave to Pussy Riot. To come to Red Hook now and offer works of charity are fine, but the black community could use some help in gaining power over its own destiny.

[-] 1 points by Coyote88 (-24) 2 years ago

The black community can't vote?

[-] 1 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Many obstacles were placed in their path especially in Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania but they were pretty angry and very knowledgeable of what they had to do and they came out in bigger numbers than ever before. Whipped your right wing pretty good, we all did.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I do not ever remember/recall OWS as parading around under the banner of MLK. Do you have examples of the OWS official organization doing such? Or are you talking about supporters of OWS who as individuals supporting a protest have presented MLK as a guiding light?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

U have a problem with unity? Ummm you should go away - I mean your being anti-social an all.

[-] -1 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 2 years ago

I have a problem with hypocrisy. I especially have a problem with whites who ignore the real and urgent and legitimate needs of oppressed minorities in the name of "unity" which of course in your case means "let's protest until we get what we want then screw the black people." I read you loud and clear. Perhaps you and your friends will soon see to it I vanish from this forum. There very well may be another forum not controlled from the Great White North arising soon to take on this matter.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (1429) from Cornelius, OR 2 years ago

Melt down, poor shadz, but great acting.

[-] 0 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 2 years ago

??? English or Spanish please

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 2 years ago

"In refusing to even speak about the current disenfranchisement of Black people OWS has given up the moral right to parade around under the banner of Martin Luther King."

Is there something you'd like to discuss? We're right here.

[-] -1 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Looking at the comments on this thread I'd say for the most part me spending much energy talking with you all would be one colossal waste of time, energy and bandwidth, but if you as an individual have something to say to me why not say it?

[-] 0 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 2 years ago

I might agree with your post but choose different words to make the same point. I don't believe OWS will do much of anything for the lower class and they'll follow the path of the Clintonistas eventually. Obama has done more for the lower class than OWS and the Clintonistas ever will.

[-] 1 points by Renneye (4135) 2 years ago

A little known fact about a Martin Luther King assasination trial;

In 1999, the King family conducted a civil case to consider the existence of an assassination conspiracy. The suit (for wrongful death) mentioned only Loyd Jowers, but also described a government conspiracy.[44]

The jury–six blacks and six whites—found that King had been the victim of assassination by a conspiracy involving the Memphis police as well as federal agencies. This verdict affirmed Ray's innocence, which the King family has always maintained.[53][47]William F. Pepper represented the King family in the trial.[54][55][56]

The family requested a mere $100 in restitution to show that they were not pursuing the case for financial gain.

.

6 min video regarding Martin Luther King's assasination from a Canadian news source (good footage)...

http://www.personalgrowthcourses.net/video/martin_luther_king_jr_mlk_assassination_video

[-] 2 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 2 years ago

Interesting that Ray pled guilty but did not confess. I wouldn't be surprized if all the wild conspiracy theories about the JFK assassination and TPTB might not apply to the King assassination much more. I don't believe the theories about government, MIC, mafia as far as JFK. King? Very good chance. When King took a stance against the war in Vietnam very powerful forces may have gathered aganst him.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6885) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

And then there's that troubling concept of a "united population." The idea of blacks and whites getting together as a unified force absolutely terrifies the PTB. That's why they vehemently continue to perpetuate the racial divide.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6885) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

Fascinating. The Feds working in conjunction with the local police to get rid of MLK probably comes as no surprise to anyone.

[-] 0 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Oh yeah it gets interestinger and interestinger or as Alice once said "curiouser and curiouser." Ramsey Clark was the highest ranking law enforcement official at the time of the assassination of MLK. He was Lyndon Boy Johnson's Attorney General having gained that post after JFK's unfortunate accident in Texas. Workers World Party, a small but very energized group with a strange ideological past that goes by many names and acronyms openly embraced Clark during the Boston school busing crisis, in which they organized a fairly significant pro busing demonstration with Black and other Democrats. Clark, after leaving the cop force, became a Senate candidate whose mission was to split the Democratic vote in order to defeat Bella Abzug running for Senate and one of the few passionate anti Vietnam War voices in Congress at the time. Mission was accomplished, by the way and NY was represented by warhawk Daniel Patrick Moynihan in the Senate.

During the first Gulf crisis with iraq occupying its nineteenth province, Kuwait, Clark went to Iraq to tell Saddam that he should stand fast because the Great American People would rise up as they did during the Vietnam War days. It did not quite work out for Iraq.

I am tempted to take time off from work and go to the Tammiment Library archives at New york University where they probably have originals of Workers World Party publications from the days when MLK was alive. They attacked him relentlessly and caricatured him in cartoons as a buffoon. In the age of the internet such information ought to be public and as widespread as can be. I know this because I was there, and I held these publications in my own hands.

[-] -1 points by Coyote88 (-24) 2 years ago

What disenfranchisement?

[-] 0 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 2 years ago

You must be joking. Dismissed.

[-] -2 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 2 years ago

What Martin King was, above all else, was a great writer; far better, for example, than Jack Kennedy who was basically, horrendous.

[-] 0 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 2 years ago

A great writer "above all else?" OMG are you an idiot or what?

[-] -2 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 2 years ago

Have you read his writings? One cannot be a great orator without good writing.

[-] 1 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Above all else he was a leader in the struggle for human rights for African American people. And there have been great orators who could not even read, Joseph Smith being the example that comes to mind.

[-] -2 points by Saesneg (-166) from Linwood, NJ 2 years ago

While this might be true, I cannot point to any specific rights that Martin King advanced for the African American.

[-] -1 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 2 years ago

That's probably because you are an ignorant fool. Dismissed.

[-] -2 points by Nowsmichigan (-310) 2 years ago

Martin King was a racist

[+] -4 points by Nowsmichigan (-310) 2 years ago

King was a racist just like sharpton and jesse jackson are

[-] -1 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Yuo ought to hook up with DKA, yobstreet and the other moron whose handle I forget, from Minnesota. The official OWS White Power caucus.

[-] 2 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 2 years ago

LOL

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

U R a divisive asshole. Eat shit and bark at the moon rabid dog.

[-] -1 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 2 years ago

ewwwwwwwwwwwww I'm gonna tell on you! Fuckface, not! You lost go cry in your white power beer.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

How do you figure that I lost - Mittens lost - so in a sense we all dodged a bullet.

However no one has won anything yet - as the people still need to keep pushing for change. Fundamental change in government will only be made by the people - united.

[-] -1 points by bestevidence (170) 2 years ago

"Mittens lost - so in a sense we all dodged a bullet." yes "we" did! and where the fuck were you?

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

We dodged a bullet but unfortunately we are still lying on a grenade with the pin out.

[-] 2 points by bestevidence (170) 2 years ago

Yes, I see the short term future as being quite grim for the 99 and especially the 47, not to mention for Iran, the Palestinians, B radley Manning and Julian Assange. Obama is coming to NYC this Thursday. He should be met by protests.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

H e should be met by cement baracade

War Jill Stein

[-] 1 points by bestevidence (170) 2 years ago

I take that to mean you're not interested in protesting his visit.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Here? What is it that you are asking? I have been putting down mittens and his ilk all year. Where were you?

Will it take U 2 days to reply to this?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

OH and BTW - R U feeling less shy this afternoon? You got awful quiet last night - here let me help you catch-up:

U started with ( below ) a nasty PM followed by further BS on this open thread. ___________ Your opening shot

[-] 0 points by bestevidence (133) 1 day ago

Speaking of trite and idiotic interruptions.... ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink


Then I followed with:

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (20604) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 day ago

??????????? ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply edit delete permalink


To which you sent a PM:

bestevidence said 0 minutes ago at Nov. 8, 2012, 2:35 p.m. EST (delete)

it suits you well and I wanted to make sure you saw it even if the moderators might be inclined to erase it from the forum, whiteboy asshole. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply edit delete permalink


To which I replied:

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (20604) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 day ago

BTW - was that your sign off(?) or were you name calling?

Because of this PM you sent:

bestevidence said 0 minutes ago at Nov. 8, 2012, 2:35 p.m. EST (delete)

it suits you well and I wanted to make sure you saw it even if the moderators might be inclined to erase it from the forum, whiteboy asshole. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply edit delete permalink


No reply from U so I sent U:

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (20604) from Coon Rapids, MN 23 hours ago

I take it as a fact that you are a person of color - as all people are.

But exactly who are you trying to portray yourself as?

I ask - because I have not been in the least little bit bigoted/racist/colorist. But you place that charge on me.

Could it be that you are just a shill? Here to spread trouble? That would be my take on it. Or to state it another way - bestevidence so far strongly suggests that you are some type of shill/troublemaker. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply edit delete permalink


No reply from U and Then I also followed with:

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (20604) from Coon Rapids, MN 23 hours ago

Did you get booted?

You seem so shy on following up with your hate.

Perhaps you are having a moment of introspection?

Perhaps you are confronting your hate?

Good - I hope you achieve personal growth/maturity. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply edit delete permalink


No reply from U and Then I also followed with:

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (20604) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 day ago

No need to be shy. But I would suggest you take your hate to somewhere useful - 4 U that is = Therapy.


Remember Your nasty PM ?

bestevidence said 0 minutes ago at Nov. 8, 2012, 2:35 p.m. EST (delete)

it suits you well and I wanted to make sure you saw it even if the moderators might be inclined to erase it from the forum, whiteboy asshole. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply edit delete permalink

[-] 0 points by bestevidence (170) 2 years ago

I had to go to my job. So sorry ;( you got upset. You need to loosen up and earn to laugh at yourself, whiteboy.