Forum Post: Monday, November 5th: -Third Party Debate in Washington DC
Posted 11 years ago on Oct. 1, 2012, 8:54 p.m. EST by MattHolck3
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Jill Stein and Gary Johnson
Tuesday, October 23rd: -Third Party Debate in Chicago
Sponsored by Free & Equal
Confirmed candidates: Gary Johnson, Jill Stein, Virgil Goode, Rocky Anderson
I'll be watching
Expanding the Debate: Debate Coverage of First Presidential Debate with Rocky Anderson & Jill Stein
Rocky had far more positions that i agree with and I think he did a great job presenting them, again here's the 10/23 debate.
http://rt.com/usa/news/third-party-debate-us-election-094/
Second 2012 Presidential Debate October 30 in Washington, DC By aaron On October 22, 2012 ·
http://freeandequal.org/updates/second-2012-presidential-debate-october-30-in-washington-dc/
I noticed that "free and equal" required the debater meet a minimum standard, it was a bit lower than the one to be in the debate with Obama and Romney, Perot met that standard in 1992 and there were three in the "national" debates. It seems everyone sees the need to limit participation.
3rd Party Debate 10-30 tuesday
that website runs slowly on my out of date browser
I missed my chance to vote, I hope Rocky makes it in.
Jill and Gary
Damn, I think politics may have been involved, I don't see how anyone could see the debate and not think Rocky did very well, but that's what democracy looks like...
Jill has more name recognition (the green party is larger)
Gary differs more from Jill than Rocky thus expanding the range of ideas
The Libertarian is large too that's why I think there was a bit of politics, but that's life isn't it.
the libertarians have been around a long time
I thought Gary's test score for human rights by the ACLU were impressive
Do you have to provide your own lube?
Opening Statements
Jill Stein of the Green Party, (J)
was arrested try to get in 2-Party Debate was detained and bound
loss of jobs, decent, wages and homes
the wealthy are richer than ever
Green New Deal to create jobs and energy independence (make oil wars obsolete)
Higher Education for free
Rocky Anderson of the Justice Party, (R) former Mayor of Salt Lake City
the corrupt money is coming from oil industry
we need public financing of all candidates
retirement accounts decimated while wall street made out like bandits
child mortality high for industrial nation
federal government ignore habeas corpus
climate change is a greater security risk than terrorism
Virgil Goode of the Constitution Party (V)
end PAC only individual campaign donation
balance budget (the 2-party candidates won't)
end green card being issued
term limits for congress
Gary Johnson of the Libertarian Party (G) former governor of New Mexico
Candidates should wear Nascar jackets showing their supporters
Opposes drones. Unsustainable spending and borrowing
we should not bomb Iran
end war in afghanistan
marriage equality
end the drug wars, legalize marijuana
repeal patriot act
balance budget
eliminate income and corporate tax. replace with consumption tax
Fed gives money to banks at 0 %
.
Right from the start I liked Rocky because of climate change statement.
seems we need some sort of emergency to act
It could well be our greatest test, those that are willing to make great sacrifice to solve slow problems make it to the next step, those that aren't don't.
I would think that all that build tools face this issue perhaps there are places where they are not as short sighted as we seem to be, if so the God head still arises, we are just not part of it.
it is our construct
we may not be unique
I was singing too loudly at 6:45 am October 26, 2012
Lucky informed me
How to establish higher Education for everyone?
G: federal guaranteed college loans are driving up tuition. Free comes with a cost. Fed gives money to banks at 0 %
J: public education should be free. It has been done before. Economy pay back is x7. High School education is free. now higher education should be free. Stop spending bail out wall street. Bail out students.
R: We must provide education to maintain "competitive" edge over other countries. (I don't believe we should compete for limited jobs in the world. I believe the world should take care of its population. We can not afford not to fund education.
V: we can't afford more student loans and peal grants. balance budget
2-party want to expand loans and grants
Rocky and Jill both pushing for "free" education I think that is the way to go, I liked what Rocky said about jobs too.
Indefinite Detention?
J: this is an outrage. No prison without charge or trial. No assassinations. No unwarranted wire tapping. Stop whistle blower persecution
R: this in anti-american. Obama asked for this power. Obama does not prosecute federal felony offenses
V: veto NDAA
G: veto NDAA. ACLU endorse Gary by report card on liberty rights. Hero is Ron Paul
a push
no one seems to like indefinite detention without disclosure
the subject was not addressed in the 2-party debates
It was more popular ten years ago,
I like to think of it as the Big Leagues and triple A, after all nothing says it has to be two party in 92 it was three but you got to earn your way into the Big Leagues, people do move up from triple A but it ain't easy. (there are double A players that didn't get to be at this debate either)
I recognized larry kings name
I saw Jordan play in the triple A's.
How would you change constitution if you could?
R: Equal rights will not be abridged on gender and sexual orientation (ERA). Thinks it would pass today
V: term limits ( I am against term limits. People should be able to reelect politicians they like) PACS are buying legislators
G: term limits
J: Corporations are not people. Money is not speech. term limits will not stop corps from funding all politicians
Jill takes up the OWS cause, you've said she has been to marches I like Rocky's too and also think we could get it done, this is the one question I thought Jill came out on top on. (but I like Rocky's too)
PS term limits are a trap, the 1% want to be able to hold the rest of their lives over those in office, when somebody really fights for the people they are hard to get rid of, how do you think we got term limits on the Presidency? (Bill Clinton would still be President)
campaign funding should be transparent
I like when Gary Johnson said "Candidates should wear Nascar jackets showing their supporters"
I think the ERA should have been passed decades ago
I've heard the NASCAR jacket thing before and I like it too, but it is always cloudy, I mean how about the people who work at EXXON isn't a lot of that just pushing EXXON? What Romney should of said is corporations are made up of people, my friend, because of that people of like mind support like people, then if you can just make sure that anybody with any real money thinks a certain way, and that money rules all well then what you think is what all the people who matter think. The ERA? We have a chance to make it better now, get ready for The Bionic ERA.
War on Drugs?
R: A waste of treasure and human tragedy
people being jailed for years for drugs
we have the greatest incarceration on drug offense than all the prisoners in europe
end drugs.
legalized industrial hemp
.
V: not legalizing drug. would fund drug wars.
G: legalize marijuana (tax the drug sales). marijuana is not more dangerous than alcohol. 1/2 of law enforcement is drug related. The issue should be handled by family.Meth amphetamine is the problem drug. Cocaine puts holes in you heart
J: Marijuana is not dangerous. IT is only dangerous because it is illegal. Legalize Marijuana. If Science should be applied by DEA Marijuana would be legal. marijuana should be regulated but not to tobacco monopoly
V talks about PBS and planed parenthood, as if getting rid of those would cover the cost of the DEA or something it was weird and wrong we spend far more on the DEA than those combined.
You can't run third party if you don't want to legalize it, that's where the brain trust comes from, people who know alcohol is bad for the brain.
certainly for the liver
top two primary runs for vote on final?
this takes other parties off the final party
J: opposes
R: opposes.
V: opposes. not for public financing
G: should be dealt with on local level. Medicare is not sustainable(more money out than money in) 2-Party candidates are twiddle dee and twiddle dumb
I live in AZ trying to decide on this, all six of the political parties are against it as I recall when something has this many politicians on one side you might want to give the other side a good look.
Nate Silver said it will allow more moderates to win office, that might be good the Rs are crazy here, my son says it will weaken the parties, I say the GOP are damn strong here so is that a bad thing?
I think it might allow a "third" party person to actually win office, because in the primary you can vote your heart because you get a redo before the Republican takes office and maybe one day a Rocky will move enough hearts to be number two and then number one.
I would like to apply something like this to the state seats in the federal house of representatives
where
each state member would vote of one representative and the top winners would receive the seats available to to states
this would create some sort of parliament
you lost me what is a "state member"? what are these seats you speak of? what do you think about top two primaries, that what I have to decide on.
duh! left/right paradigm evoked
I think the biggest disappointment I had with the debate was that none of them actually came right out and called for a tax increase, they got close but i felt they were all weak on this.
while a consumer tax would draw from the money flow,
consumer tax will not tap where money is collected ..
humans will pull money out of the system
they didn't seem to come right out and call for any tax increase, consumer or otherwise, I think more courage than that will be needed
we got two tax increases on the CA ballet
CA Prop 30 includes a .25 cent sales tax for schools
Sales tax is the most repressive of all and the GOP here keep forcing us to that to fund schools as well in AZ this year it's one cent will make us second highest sales tax in the country.
don't I pay taxes for consumption of labor?
not sure what you mean, I know there are dangers in judging but it was a debate, I think it is only being fair to them to think about what they say and if I agree, but I did not mean to offend
Third Party Debate 10/18/12 - With Real Questions and Answers
Posted 1 day ago on Oct. 19, 2012, 9:57 a.m. EST by john23 (-116) This content is user submitted and not an official statement
Johnson and Stein:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/third-party-debate-101812-with-real-questions-and-
much of this video is riddled with technical interference
closing statement
Governor Gary Johnson (G)
less government in the bedroom, balance budget
Dr Jill Stein(J)
peace freedom
healthcare system falling apart
pollution is causing sickness
Opening Statement
Governor Gary Johnson (G)
"Let's not Bomb Iran, end drug wars. legalize marijuana, balance budget, open borders
cut medicaid, medicare and military spending
eliminate income tax and corporate tax
does not know what it takes to create jobs if not more money to corps
(demand creates jobs)
.
Dr Jill Stein (J)
stop wall street bail out, end war, end drug wars
solutions are affordable
green new deal to create jobs
tax breaks don't create jobs
put communities in control of national resources
drone strikes ?
G: never say never. drone strikes makes US bully
J: extreme high rates of civilian kill without trial. ban drones
public education improvement?
J: lower class size, end poverty
G: abolish department of education. Give education to states. 50 laboratories to find better ways to education
personal privacy vrs national security?
G: legalized gay marriage. abolish homeland security. no detention without disclosure
ACLU endorsed Johnson for civil liberties
.
J: brute force policy to secure oil. and bombing
has caused the threat to national security
downsize military
should we prevent atrocity in countries like Syria
J: intervention breed violent results. WE cannot oppose governments violently
weapon industry sells arms into hot spots of the world
G: there are no humanitarian wars
we are funding war in Syria
killing citizens breeds vengeance toward the US
regulation to stop melt down and white collar crime?
G: would not have bailed any of the institutions out
leader should go after prosecution transparently
.
J: Ronald Regan prosecuted people, White house funded by wall street
wall street created predatory loaning
wall street is a gambling house that taxed peoples saving
adress poverty?
G: create level playing field. Corporation buy loopholes
one consumption tax
bills often reduce compilation. balance budget, causes inflation
J: create jobs by soling the climate problem
pprovide national resources of use at local level
nuclear power makes use sick (Burning oil creates more pollution)
cut military and fund jobs
reduce healthcare cost by nationalizing it
how to transit to green new deal? fossil fuel -> green energy
J: close to climate tipping points ( perpetual state of warming )
G: energy needs free market approach
consumers demand carbon dioxide emission
G:
filed suit against the debate commission to try to get into official debates
also has trouble getting on state ballets
How would you address student loan debt?
college is too expensive
eliminate guaranteed loans and the price of education will drop
J: higher education was once free in Massachusetts
healthcare has crippled government budgets
call for medicare for all to reduce health care cost
G:
filed suit against the debate commission to try to get into official debates
also has trouble getting on state ballets
How would you address student loan debt?
college is too expensive
eliminate guaranteed loans and the price of education will drop
J: higher education was once free in Massachusetts
healthcare has crippled government budgets
call for medicare for all to reduce health care cost
J: tax burden has declined for wealthy as the become wealthier
1% has 40% of the wealth
young people 50% unemployment with debt
end tax breaks to capital gains.
.
Debate system suppresses the debate. 2 Party are in corp pockets
Jill was arrested at a 2 party debate, handcuffed for 8 hours in undisclosed secret room
how to get congress on board?
J: my campaign does not take money from corporation or packs
president can be organizer and chief to publicly inform the public of congress upcoming bill action
don't bail out backs as is happen right now with fed
bail out students
.
G: (technically not broadcast)
Second Presidential Debate 20 questions
O: rising housing is good?
Rom: China is cheating ?
J: mentioned living wage issue . green energy created at the levels of community
Roc: notes chronic unemployment 60% jobs lost where mid level while only 20% of the new jobs are mid level
healthcare as costing business money:
closing
O: thanks people, go back to school, cars, everyone gets a shot , middleclass
Rom: 2 paths only, income will go down, unemployment, health will get worse , obama will cut medicare, more bombs
Jill: climate in meltdown, wealthy richer, dems and repubs bail out wall street . 4 more years of the same from either obama and romney, healthcare as human right, free higher education, reform Nafta
Roc: not leave everyone to fend for themselves. no assassination and indefinite detention
Mission of Federal Government
O: keep the people safe. create opportunity, free enterprise is american genius, give land grants to private hands. Math and Science teacher for tech lead, Still in international competition mode
Rom: military second to none that's 40% of the total world military budget. government is not employing people
Roc: people are afraid of government . the ruling class is not accountable, US citizens targeted with assassination
Jill: the attacks on the peoples rights, the protest law, the indefinite detention.
the immigrant Chinese railroad builders were often cheated of wage
I doubt many got any land granted by the government to the railroad companies
Healthcare
Rom: repeal "affordable care act" says business are dropping health care. Insurance is costing more. He say Health care makes businesses less likely to hire people.
O:people worried about going bankrupt if sick. group plan ? says romney did a good thing in massachusettes with healthcare
Roc: calls 2 party policy "insurance care" 15 million without basic healthcare. 40,000 die due to lack of healthcare
J: the affordable care act is neither affordable or caring. poor are cared for but $20,000+ not covered . insurance costs are rising. medicare for all
Social Security
O: structurally sound. people deserve security if they work hard. moves to medicare management lowering prescription
Rom: not proposing changes for older voters . Obama is cutting programs in medicare where more hospital are refusing to take medicare
J: says demo are waiting for things to get better. claims both parties want to reduce healthcare.Obama calling for cuts in education and social security. raise cap on SS by making the rich pay their fair share
Roc: medicare for everyone with single care. the US pays double for healthcare due much to insurance industry. Get "for profit" insurance companies siting more than a third money lost to private profiteering
A great debate that was.
OMG - 4th debate and it was Obama Vs RObamaney
Jill and Rocky will be on Democracy Now again tonight as well
http://www.democracynow.org/
Real issues will be discussed
I am am happy with what was discussed
Money corrupting politics.... the biggest issue not once mentioned by the money sponsored candidates at the "debates" between Romney and Obama
the numbers are not in our hands
neither is the money
deys juggle them numbers all da time
300million vs 536
zacherystaylor (19) 18 minutes ago
http://occupywallst.org/forum/a-vote-for-the-left-right-paradigm-is-a-wasted-vot/#comment-852862
Vote here for top two to be on foreign policy debate next week.
http://freeandequal.org/
The Rumble 2012: Bill O'Reilly vs Jon Stewart (Full)
Did you arrange this Matt.? I know you had the idea early on.
I did not arrange this
Wow that was only 3 weeks ago. Glad to hear from you so timely! ;)
3rd party debates were. good. One day I hope we take down the obstacles to their success.
Support these efforts.
"Moveto Amend.com, Nationalpopularvote.com & open debates"
Peace
all they need is a network to carry them
PBS will do
I would prefer national networks carry them! But thats great.
Which candidate is gonna win the election?
Reality Check: Who Is Behind The Commission on Presidential Debates? Are The Debates Rigged?
http://occupywallst.org/forum/reality-check-who-is-behind-the-commission-on-pres/
Yea!
Everyone should Tune in to this debate.
Boycott the corpratists.
time to return to my funeral vacation
will be back as Lyle on thursday
Dio-The Last In Line
All 3rd party voters should be aware of this
Posted 11 hours ago on Nov. 2, 2012, 4:36 p.m. EST by Underdog (2657) from Clermont, FL This content is user submitted and not an official statement
Number One Issue addressed by all third party candidates
Money is Corrupting Politics and the Government is Corrupt
Number 2 Issue - End the wars now!
I love these people. It's like they represent me.
Here's a link to the full debate, if you would care to update your post:
http://rt.com/usa/news/third-party-debate-us-election-094/
Thanks for the link, but I do notice from the cartoon that the people who run the site and the two major parties share what I think is the biggest problem, they all seem very willing to trample the truth to make political points.
I thought the candidates of the 3rd party debates stayed on topic better than the 2 party candidates
That may be true, I was referring to the cartoon saying that there is no difference when in fact there are huge differences, I understand from a political point of view it is not good for the cause of a third party to admit that but it does not make it untrue, and when they claim there is none for the sake of their party they are doing the same thing the Ds and GOP do to build their party it would take someone willing to tell the truth to make me switch parties.
Vice president debate
now the 2-Party candidates are selling off the 9/11/12 protest attack in Libya as a terrorist attack
in the Vice President debated Rimmer evoke al kidda and and Bidding just ley it pass
Rimmer claimed paper pushers were job creators
Jobs are created by paying someone to do something
if the government wants more people working , they should hire them
the 2 party candidates do not know about the poor only the middle class
cut tax, don't cut funding, don't increase the deficit
http://occupywallst.org/forum/now-the-2-party-candidates-are-selling-off-the-911/
Matt, do you support instant runoff voting? Any third party supporter who does not, is actually urging the splitting the vote of one side (here the progressive side) to help the other side.
Paul Krugman Blasts Media Over Presidential Debate: Press Can't 'Handle Flat-Out Untruths' (VIDEO)
Posted 14 hours ago on Oct. 8, 2012, 9:06 p.m. EST by WSmith (531) This content is user submitted and not an official statement
Paul Krugman Blasts Media Over Presidential Debate: Press Can't 'Handle Flat-Out Untruths' (VIDEO)
http://occupywallst.org/forum/paul-krugman-blasts-media-over-presidential-debate/#comment-852249
At Last Wed Night’s Debate: Romney Told 27 LIES In 38 Minutes | Ten New Debunks!
Posted 4 days ago on Oct. 4, 2012, 11:06 p.m. EST by WSmith (531) This content is user submitted and not an official statement
http://occupywallst.org/forum/at-last-nights-debate-romney-told-27-mythslies-in-/
Don't Waste Your Vote on Obama or Romney
Posted 12 hours ago on Oct. 8, 2012, 12:30 a.m. EST by petergreen4 (1) This content is user submitted and not an official statement
http://occupywallst.org/forum/dont-waste-your-vote-on-obama-or-romney/
Yes, they should... the age of the internet may yet penetrate the American elections but this 3rd party debate is not shown on TV, and not written up in the mainstream media. IF Obama and Romney were also there to debate WITH these other "candidates" it would be more meaningfull.
In the end, the party organisers will choose the only TWO candidates eligible to become president.
we would take the 2 party candidates more seriously if they showed up at the debates
Excellent piece by Rocky Anderson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apZ5fVHR9j8
Dio - The Last in line (Official video)