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Forum Post: This movement has the potential to undermine the establishment.

Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 20, 2011, 3:53 a.m. EST by abmebratu (349) from Washington, DC
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Occupy movements have the potential to bring meaningful change into the world economic system. However, we must fight tooth and nail to avert diversion. We have to keep our eyes on the ball. Let not MSNBC, CNN, or FOX hijack our original human message. This should be absolutely clear to all members of the movement.

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[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 13 years ago

Yes, do not let media hijack your message. However, these posts all indicate that people think the wrong entity is targeted. The movements message has no strategy to gain the authority to compel demand made. Article V of the constitution has that power.

By leaving it out and indicating overthrow, you are assuring LOTS of resistence. The demands can be met by using the constitution to defend itself. The elite in this nation have been working to undermine the constitution for a century with global vigor. Some success had driven you into the street. Do not relinquish that which they really fear, article V.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/naomi-wolf-arrested-while-occupy-wall-street-prote/ Yea, saw that list a few years ago. The confusion in the targeting, or wall street instead of gov, needs to change.

These people think so too. Article V of the Constitution is our first right.

But, most immediatly is support for a local development where posters actually, logically and coherently point at the same targeting problem by OWS from the beginning.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/corporate-influence-in-government-and-its-effect-o/ http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-system-can-it-be-fixed-or-must-it-be-replaced/ http://occupywallst.org/forum/we-need-to-fight-the-source-not-the-symptom/ http://occupywallst.org/forum/fix-congress-not-wall-street/ http://occupywallst.org/forum/please-consider-this-everyone-focused-on-1-thing/ http://occupywallst.org/forum/poll-more-people-blame-washington-than-wall-st/ http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-wall-st/

We need an Article V convention.

Congress is very afraid of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_to_propose_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution "Congress acted preemptively to propose the amendments instead. At least four amendments (the Seventeenth, Twenty-First, Twenty-Second, and Twenty-Fifth Amendments) have been identified as being proposed by Congress at least partly in response to the threat of an Article V convention."

Our first right in our contract is Article V, the right to have congress convene delgates when 2/3 of the states have applied for an amendatory convention.

A power point by Lawrence Lessig that shows why congress is afraid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gpbfY-atMk

Article. V.

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

Lots of facts here about Article V. http://algoxy.com/poly/article_v_convention.html

[-] 1 points by rugids (11) 13 years ago

Not Two Is Peace

http://www.globalcooperationproject.org

Global Cooperative Forum Beyond Tribalism Based on Prior Unity of Humanity Not two Is Peace

[-] 0 points by owschico (295) 13 years ago

With your great economic power? Is not the slogan of this movement how little economic power you have? 1% has more power than the other 99% combined? Right?

[-] 1 points by MadAsHellInTX (598) from Shepherd, TX 13 years ago

The power of this movement doesn't come from money, though 1%er tools such as yourself have been duped to believe that.

The 1% are responding to the resistance with such open hatred, such a fake air of self-appointed superiority, such easily sensed hypocrisy while trying, and failing, to disguise their fear behind false bravado. They try to distract, distort and hide the truth, so that they may continue their behaviour unchallenged. This is the hallmark of sociopaths.

You, my friends and fellows of the Occupancy, attract such vitriol simply because you resist their madness, and shine a beacon of hope that inspires others to resist. You also expose their lies to the harsh light of truth, something else they can't stand. You of the 99% are a great and noble dragon, the deliverers of the judgement now at hand, and you cannot be slain.

Banksters, trying to slay this particular dragon with the pinpricks of crude insults and smatterings of frothing rhetoric, only amuses the dragon and betrays your fear. The dragon isn't scared of you, you are afraid of the dragon. The dragon is bigger than you, it's smarter than you, it's stronger than you, it's tougher than you, it's in your face, and it's not going away. It grows stronger and ever more powerful by the day. It's announcing it's presence with the earthshaking roar of it's People's Voice, while it patiently waits for you to make a fatal mistake. Then, it shall pounce, and eat you alive. It can wait, it has nothing to lose by waiting, yet much to gain; the taste of your defeat is to be savored, for you have grown fat and complacent on the hoard you have stolen from it. What better prey for this noble creature but the king of thieves?

CEO, look and be awed! This great purple dragon is your creation, birthed of the blood of your crimes, and your abuses as a bully. This dragon is your greatest nightmare come to life, and it knows your weaknesses better than you do. It smells your fear, and it finds the scent delicious.

Behold crooks, know the name and nature of your failure! This dragon is called Movement, Occupy, OWS, and formally, Unity. It is a vast legion, yet one, and it can't be bribed, coerced, purchased, destroyed, conquered, divided, or diminished. It embodies a cohesion, a purpose, a drive, an energy, that you will never know or have, much less comprehend. It cares not for your lust and greed; it is above such petty things, and that is the source of it's dominion over you. To the dragon, you deserve no more respect than a virus. It views your actions and words with contempt, for you are nothing before it.

Fiends, instead of being an ugly and insignificant jester before this mighty, virtuous dragon, go out and pick a fight with a "faggot", "wetback", or a "nigger", or beat up on a "bitch". After all, abusing others always makes you feel better about your sad pathetic existence as a batshit insane leech upon the world, doesn't it? The dragon thinks that's the height of comedy; you exposing yourself in shame.