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Forum Post: Support Soot limits, Renew Wind Tax Cr., Divest from fossil fuel corps.! Pressure all pols,!

Posted 1 year ago on Nov. 9, 2012, 2:40 p.m. EST by VQkag2 (16478)
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[-] 2 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 1 year ago

Does anyone remember when george Jr.kissed the Saudi king and held his hand like a little school girl?

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I remember very well. And I am reminded every time I hear the right wingnuts complain about Pres Obama bowing or apologizing.

But for those.who have forgotten:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R6QFwKWFpA&noredirect=1

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Action Alert. End oil Subsidies!

http://campaigns.dailykos.com/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=334

Please sign the petition

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago
[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

"drill baby drill" Who said that?

Protest Obama (& all pols) for ending arctic drilling.

http://www.care2.com/causes/shells-latest-arctic-failure-finally-prompts-action-in-washington.html

[-] 0 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 1 year ago

Thanks,I normaly do not sign this sort of thing.But in this case I will give it a go.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

More evil coal corp actions.

http://www.care2.com/causes/coal-company-kicks-10000-workers-off-health-care.html

This also illustrates why we are against coal corps. Profits over people is not progressive, not community oriented.

FYI

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Gotta draw the line somewhere.

[-] -1 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 month ago

Seas R rising! So R thePeople

http://gofossilfree.org/

Divest Now!

[-] 0 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 1 year ago

Let me date my self In 1973 I was at an airfield waiting to board a jet that was bound for on of the oil countrys.That was during the arab-oil embargo.You would think that by now this would not be a problem.No leadership in this country.Big oil rules the planet and will destroy everything and everyone to continue making profits.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Action Alert. Occupy tar sands week

http://www.tarsandsblockade.org/weekofaction/

Get active. Save the earth

[-] 0 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

We gotta hit 'em where it hurts. DIVEST! Pressure all schools/gov/pensions/unions everyone should divest.

[-] 1 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 1 year ago

It is much larger than fuels.Have you noticed that now just about everything is made of,or has parts of ,or comes wraped in one form or another of plastic.And plastic comes from oil.

[-] 0 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

no doubt. I understand that. We should avoid plastic whenever possible (although we can not avoid it entirely), we should boycott gasoline as much as possible (although we cannot do that entirely either. But every bit will help. Agitate for politicians to end the fossil fuel subsidies, pressure divestment, take part in protests & boycotts against fossil fuel.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Or a good plastic ( bio-degradable ) from illegal hemp.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I saw that. The Navy or someone in it is not a dummy - trying to break loose from fossil fuel.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

They know it is the future.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Well someone has to realize that fossil fuel it's dwindling supplies it's destructive nature as to the environment and being chained to it is a huge mistake.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

That realization must spread, & we must help that happen.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

That is why we are here - Right?

Spreading the word over the internet as well as at street protests.

Though some would try to attack us by trying to say otherwise.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I ignore the main attacker (thras, old---?) And others I give only limited attention, finally I prefer to discuss the issues, not the personal crap those attacks dwell in.

[-] 1 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 1 year ago

Sounds good to me.maybe not so good to the corporations that control what once was our goverment.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

The insane can not be allowed to lead. Get the corpoRATions mental health care.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Thx - TWEETED

Green energy Clean energy Green tech Clean Tech = Opportunity for peace health and prosperity for all.

[-] 1 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

thx

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I posted his picture on one of my older posts - Looked like he was frenching the guy.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Hydrogen energy from landfills. Cool.

FuelCell Energy Announces Contract to Convert Landfill Gas to Ultra-Clean Electricity, Heat and Renewable Hydrogen

Tri-Generation Fuel Cell Installation at a Landfill in Vancouver, Canada

DANBURY, Conn., Feb. 28, 2013 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- FuelCell Energy, Inc. (Nasdaq:FCEL) a global leader in the design, manufacture, operation and service of ultra-clean, efficient and reliable fuel cell power plants, today announced a contract to demonstrate a tri-generation stationary fuel cell power plant near Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, utilizing landfill gas as the fuel source. The landfill gas clean-up will be performed by Quadrogen Power Systems, Inc., the prime contractor, and the cleaned landfill gas will be used by the fuel cell power plant to generate multiple revenue streams, including ultra-clean electricity, usable high quality heat and renewable hydrogen. The heat in the form of hot water will be supplied to Village Farms, a leading hydroponic greenhouse operator in North America. Renewable hydrogen will also be exported for vehicle fueling or industrial applications.

"Part of our corporate strategy is to be highly sustainable and responsible steward of natural resources," said Jonathan Bos, Development Director, Village Farms International, Inc. "We are excited to be participants in the fuel cell landfill gas project to ascertain its benefits both to our business by converting harmful waste gas into food grade carbon dioxide, as well as other business opportunities coming out of other value streams from the landfill waste gas."

"This technology will help greenhouse operators improve their competitiveness by making their operations more environmentally and economically sustainable through the use of biogas," said Canadian Agriculture Minister Gerry Ritz. "We are proud to be a partner in these types of innovative energy solutions that increase the profitability of the agriculture sector."

"Partnering with FuelCell Energy combines our gas clean-up expertise with the tri-generation power output of the stationary fuel cells as we convert a harmful byproduct of landfills into multiple revenue streams," said Alakh Prasad, President & CEO, Quadrogen Power Systems, Inc. "Cleaning landfill gas before it is used by the fuel cells represents unique challenges of removing impurities that can impact fuel cell performance as well as removing harmful organic chemicals which do not affect the fuel cells but can't be released to the atmosphere."

"This project provides our first opportunity to demonstrate the application of our Direct FuelCell technology with renewable landfill gas, in addition to advancing our hydrogen co-production technology," said Tony Leo, Vice President Application Engineering & Advanced Technology Development, FuelCell Energy, Inc. "Landfill gas is a large potential market, which presents unique gas cleanup requirements. Our partner in this project, Quadrogen Power Systems, has developed an effective cleanup technology, as demonstrated by the high performance of their equipment at an existing hydrogen co-production fuel cell installation in California that is providing ultra-clean electricity and hydrogen for vehicle fueling from renewable biogas generated by a wastewater treatment plant."

The landfill for the City of Vancouver, Canada has an advanced gas collection system. Some of the gas is flared, wasting a potential fuel source and generating pollutants such as smog producing nitrogen oxide (NOx). Using the landfill gas to generate ultra-clean power converts a waste disposal problem into an environmentally friendly source of revenue. Power production is expected to commence in early 2014. A successful project demonstration could potentially lead to additional projects at this landfill as well as other landfills.

Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada is investing in this project by providing a repayable contribution through the Government of Canada's Canadian Agricultural Adaptation Program, which aims to help the Canadian agricultural sector adapt and remain competitive. In British Columbia, this program is delivered by the Investment Agriculture Foundation.

Other project partners include Sustainable Development Technology Canada (SDTC), National Research Council of Canada (NRC), and BC Bioenergy Network.

Direct FuelCell® (DFC®) power plants generate continuous baseload power in a highly efficient and environmentally friendly process. Due to the absence of combustion in the fuel cell power generation process, virtually no pollutants are emitted such as nitrogen oxide (NOx), sulfur dioxide (SOx) or particulate matter (PM10), resulting in ultra-clean power generation. The power plants are fuel flexible, using readily available fuel sources such as natural gas, renewable biogas, directed biogas, or for this project, landfill gas. The electro-chemical power generation process does not utilize all of the hydrogen generated from the fuel source so the unused hydrogen can be used for other purposes such as vehicle fueling or industrial purposes, as this application will demonstrate.

The high efficiency of the fuel cell power generation process results in low carbon emissions, particularly when compared to combustion based power generation alternatives. Power generation from a fuel source such as landfill gas is typically considered carbon-neutral due to the renewable nature of the fuel source.

This project will include FuelCell Energy's solid-state electrochemical hydrogen separation and compression (EHSC) technology application, which efficiently and cost effectively purifies and compresses hydrogen for industrial uses or vehicle fueling.

Village Farms International, Inc. (TSE:VFF) grows and markets greenhouse-grown vegetables in North America. With more than 200 acres of greenhouses, Village Farms is a leader in the hydroponic greenhouse industry.

Quadrogen Power Systems, Inc. builds and installs high performance biogas clean-up solutions capable of purifying renewable fuels from any source. The clean-up technologies are modular and scalable to cost effectively purify landfill gas, digester gas, or syngas. The company is headquartered in Vancouver, BC, Canada. More information is available at www.quadrogen.com

About FuelCell Energy

Direct FuelCell® power plants are generating ultra-clean, efficient and reliable power at more than 50 locations worldwide. With more than 300 megawatts of power generation capacity installed or in backlog, FuelCell Energy is a global leader in providing ultra-clean baseload distributed generation to utilities, industrial operations, universities, municipal water treatment facilities, government installations and other customers around the world. The Company's power plants have generated more than 1.5 billion kilowatt hours of ultra-clean power using a variety of fuels including renewable biogas from wastewater treatment and food processing, as well as clean natural gas. For more information, please visit our website at www.fuelcellenergy.com

See us on YouTube at www.youtube.com/user/FuelCellEnergyInc?feature=watch

The FuelCell Energy, Inc. logo is available at http://www.globenewswire.com/newsroom/prs/?pkgid=3284

This news release contains forward-looking statements, including statements regarding the Company's plans and expectations regarding the continuing development, commercialization and financing of its fuel cell technology and business plans. All forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected. Factors that could cause such a difference include, without limitation, whether the Company is able to reach definitive agreements on the terms contemplated in the memorandums of agreement with POSCO Energy, general risks associated with product development, manufacturing, changes in the regulatory environment, customer strategies, potential volatility of energy prices, rapid technological change, competition, and the Company's ability to achieve its sales plans and cost reduction targets, as well as other risks set forth in the Company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The forward-looking statements contained herein speak only as of the date of this press release. The Company expressly disclaims any obligation or undertaking to release publicly any updates or revisions to any such statement to reflect any change in the Company's expectations or any change in events, conditions or circumstances on which any such statement is based.

Direct FuelCell, DFC, DFC/T, DFC-H2 and FuelCell Energy, Inc. are all registered trademarks of FuelCell Energy, Inc. DFC-ERG is a registered trademark jointly owned by Enbridge, Inc. and FuelCell Energy, Inc.

CONTACT: FuelCell Energy, Inc.

     Kurt Goddard, Vice President Investor Relations

     203-830-7494
[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yes there are viable alternatives to fossil fuel drilling/fracking/mining. This type of power plant can also be fueled with sewer gas.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Take that picture ( row of wind turbines).

Now picture that same row with 5 or more levels ( or 5 times the wind turbines stacked.

Now take that row that is now 5 or more stories high and put a 2nd matching construct behind it - attached to the 1st row to lend structrual strength - now add a third row and maybe a 4th and 5th row etc - maybe go up now 60 stories.

What kind of power is now being generated on that small foot print - that clean operation?

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Excellent ideas. Haven't seen that, i wonder why.

here's some bad news sure to complicate the move to green energy economy.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1242091-could-the-oil-discovery-in-south-australia-be-a-game-changer?source=yahoo

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

The assholes have got to be told in no uncertain terms - THAT - we can not continue burning fossil fuel - NO IF's And's or Butt's ( yes BUTT'S )

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

End oil subsidies. Live chat.

Join the live chat!

http://www.environmental-action.org/action/live-chat-end-big-oil-subsidies

Please spread the word.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Tweet

Live Chat to End Big Oil Subsidies | Environmental Action: http://www.environmental-action.org/action/live-chat-end-big-oil-subsidies#.UVMyn-BvrWM.twitter … Please Share/Circulate.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Yes I love this one cause we are using our waste. (it's a Connecticut co as you know)

FYI if you haven't seen it. (you probably have)

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-The-Environment/309460949069806

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I don't facebook - I used to - before they went wallstreet. There are a lot of gr8 alternative power information sources available to examine on the Internet. A lot of gr8 educational sources for the public. It is good to see the different groups tapping into social media to spread the word.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I also avoid social networking, yet like you I'm glad THEY are using it and every form of spreading the good word.

They frequently also have websites, I'll look around.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Check out the Hopewell project. Btw I don't avoid social networking I encourage it's use - I just do not go on-line to let everyone know that i am eating a bagel or something like that - I use it to post educational information and notices of upcoming protests and such. Twitter being the network that I use currently.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Ah yes. I remember that one well. You turned me onto it before.

It is excellent and worth reposting frequently.

Thx

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

No prob. That power plant you placed the article about? That is like the power plant that was opened in Orange County. This technology is being implemented - but it needs massive support from the public to get it implemented faster as fast as possible considering where we are in the global warming process.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

We have major consequences that will have to be dealt with - learned to live with - but we need to implement change ASAP to reduce the severity of what is to come - of what is already happening. What is coming if we stop polluting now will be bad - if we don't stop - what is coming will only get worse and worse.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You got it. You have always been one of the choir. I'm still amazed at those who oppose or disbelieve this catastrophe.

But even that problem is beginning to break. How to argue with climate change skeptics.

http://www.astronomynotes.com/solarsys/s11b.htm

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago
[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Yeah man. Just some clever, reasonable,logical responses to the misinformation out there.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

As the droughts continue as we get more and more horrendous storms - it will be harder and harder for any to deny the truth.

Check out the video attached to the post here:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/for-those-among-us-who-are-cognitively-challenged/

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Excellent, Noticed it before, but hadn't taken the time to view.

Reiterates the evidence and the danger.

Thx

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Seattle Mayor (Dem) divests from fossil fuel.

http://www.care2.com/causes/no-more-dirty-money-seattle-pledges-fossil-fuel-divestment.html

Let's agitate all pols to do the same!

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

This would work here, if our pols would push it.

http://www.democracyatwork.info/articles/2013/03/referendum-movement-in-berlin-aims-to-democratize-entire-energy-sector/

I guess it is too beneficial to the people and not so much for the corps.

Can't put people ahead of profits.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Action Alert: Join Earth Hour day!

http://www.care2.com/causes/are-you-ready-for-earth-hour-2013.html

Small effort but a show of solidarity might have an affect on someone, excite a super activist somewhere.

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 month ago

Carbon bubble on Bdwy

http://new.livestream.com/jamesfromtheinternet/events/3416732

"Decolonize the water,& land."

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 month ago

Poll: Divest from oil co's, or stinkles.?

Which is more important?

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 month ago

Priceless. We all kiss the king when we burn fossil fuels

[-] -1 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 weeks ago

Blue cities. That's the ticket!

http://grist.org/cities/to-make-our-cities-green-we-have-to-think-blue/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Weekly%2520Sept%252030&utm_campaign=weekly

"Beatley is only encouraged by these projects, which he seems gaining momentum everywhere — green roofs and rainwater capture in Portland, sustainability-minded aquaponics ventures in New York and Detroit, an exhaustive biodiversity survey in Singapore, a successful protest of harmful coastal development in Australia."

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[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

The photo with Bush kissing the king looks fake.

[-] 3 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 1 year ago

Looked like the real Mccoy back when he planted his lips on him.George is the kind of guy who always $ucked the old oil hose.

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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

PEOPLE - Support the growth of Green Energy ( Power & Fuel ) - Call for Implementation of Green Energy power & fuel technology.

Demand a change over from fossil fuel power & fuel.

Demand the end of fossil fuel subsidies - DEMAND THE SUBSIDIES BE SWITCHED OVER TO SUPPORTING THE GROWTH OF GREEN TECHNOLOGY/INDUSTRY.

Start in fossil fuel industry country - get those workers good paying green technology jobs - Make The Change-Over Now.

End the reason for strife here at home and also around the world.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Wisconny is Mn's neighbor to the east - we share lake superior - also with Canada and Michigan. The environment is under attack all across the USA by special interest groups ( fossil fuel #1 ) - and also around the whole planet.

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[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Care2 has covered some of the OWS/Occupy actions. They are one of the groups that I have asked to reach out to other groups in support of common issues.

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[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Still having all kinds of problems trying to walk on unfrozen water.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

LOL. Sorry. I know you're humble. I don't mean to exaggerate. I remember what a pain in the ass you can be too.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

"Butt" always with the best of intentions.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Of course.

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[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Green Power and Fuel technology industry implementation and support for such - is a HUGE ISSUE FOR THE GOOD OF THE PEOPLE AND THE WORLD. ( Economy Prosperity PEACE HEALTH )

[-] -3 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

The increase in green energy means a decrease in fossil fuel demand, means you are trading one job for another. This is not an Occupy issue, it's fluff for the liberal class. Stay on topic.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

This is the way you create an industry from landfill clearing activities (as we discussed long ago)

http://truth-out.org/news/item/13362-toward-zero-waste-waste-pickers-running-bio-gas-plants-in-mumbai-india

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

BULLSHIT - the POST is about supporting green energy. And in case you have failed to note : Fossil Fuel CorpoRATions "are" strangling this economy as well as "Killing Our Planet" - They are a central figure tied to wallstreet that is driving our country and the world into the mud.

See why people wonder just "who" the fuck are "you" ? You attack what is a central issue. "Those last 2 sentences were for your benefit in case you missed your error"

[+] -4 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Wind power is not a central issue to Occupy. Nobody wonders who I am but you. You want to discuss the companies that are tearing down our economy, feel free, that would be on topic. But we both know you won't, you will only continue fostering an atmosphere of useless diatribe.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.


Here, now you have the memo.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Silly richard.

Green tech is very central to OWS.

It's somewhere around attempting to save the planet.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Thx shooz - pretty damn glow in the dark obvious - ain't it?

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

It is to some of us anyway.............:)

Others? Not so much.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

RKG can be suspiciously stinky can't he? As well as others who argue against the obvious benefits for all ( ALL ).

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

It seems to me, that now that the election is settled, some have become even more vehement in their attacks on the liberals among us.....As though they forgot this is a movement with leftist roots.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Look at his comment contribution(?) here:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/nopipelines-international-actions-against-oil-and-/


[-] 2 points by shooz (14150) 0 minutes ago

He seems to want only to find ways to discredit long time posters.

Or the forum in general.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/16/the-tea-party-propaganda-video-you-need-to-be-aware-of-video-trailer/

He certainly seems to be following these tenets ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Yep. It's just like I said.

He has issues making a comment without discrediting someone or something.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

BTW - aAHAHAhahahahahahahahahahahahawhooeeHeeHeheheheheee

That link . . .HeeHeheheheheeeaAHAHAhahaha . . . too much heheheee

RW blaming "THEIR BULLSHIT ON THE LEFT" damn - they never tire of that game - do they? heheheee


[-] 2 points by shooz (14150) 0 minutes ago

He seems to want only to find ways to discredit long time posters.

Or the forum in general.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/16/the-tea-party-propaganda-video-you-need-to-be-aware-of-video-trailer/

He certainly seems to be following these tenets ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I've had my doubts about RKG for a very long time - He likes to be disruptive - as he also likes to consider what ever he posts as golden - while even attacking those that might agree with a point he might make from time to time. He is all over the place - and it seems to be on purpose.


[-] 1 points by shooz (14150) 15 minutes ago

I've asked richard and he seems unable to grasp the concept.

Instead he will repeat himself till a thread runs out so he can have the illusion of the last word.

It's been the teabagge(R) way around here, so that makes me wonder.

In fact he now seems to be following the teabagge(R) forum disruption video very closely these days. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

He seems to want only to find ways to discredit long time posters.

Or the forum in general.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/16/the-tea-party-propaganda-video-you-need-to-be-aware-of-video-trailer/

He certainly seems to be following these tenets

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yep - wallstreet/corpoRATions further investing in the failure of the USA economy. Their continuing program of profits for them and fuck everyone else. HOW IS IT THAT THIS IS NOT RECOGNIZED FOR WHAT IT IS ???


[-] 2 points by shooz (14129) 5 minutes ago

Libe(R)tarians have always had a hard time with that simple concept.

Now add in shipping jobs elsewhere and the problem is compounded, because there's even less in the US economy. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I've asked richard and he seems unable to grasp the concept.

Instead he will repeat himself till a thread runs out so he can have the illusion of the last word.

It's been the teabagge(R) way around here, so that makes me wonder.

In fact he now seems to be following the teabagge(R) forum disruption video very closely these days.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yep - what is removed must be replaced - value drops - due to the fact - one of many - that the hoarded money must still be reflected on the books. And that Hoarded money is a net deficit to the Country/Economy because it has been removed from play/circulation.


[-] 1 points by shooz (14129) 0 minutes ago

Some of them can't even accept the fact that as this money goes into those accounts the FED has to print more to make up for it.

It's like they just can't grasp that simple concept. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Libe(R)tarians have always had a hard time with that simple concept.

Now add in shipping jobs elsewhere and the problem is compounded, because there's even less in the US economy.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

And so the American dream ( which used to be possible ) Becomes pure Fantasy.

Can not the People See That wallstreet managing the Fed has allowed over thirty trillion dollars to be sucked straight out of the economy and into off shore non-taxed HOARDS ????? No doubt including profits made from their being bailed out.


[-] 2 points by shooz (14129) 0 minutes ago

Care for a lottery ticket?

How about 10?

You know you don't have enough to "WIN" in the WallStreet casino.

And so it goes.

Don't forget the lottery profits go to the schools.....................(not)

Oooops, they were just kidding about that. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Some of them can't even accept the fact that as this money goes into those accounts the FED has to print more to make up for it.

It's like they just can't grasp that simple concept.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Though the operation of the Fed "is" fucked-up. That can be addressed along with all of the issues as We The People get involved in reclaiming our governments ( state and fed ). The People addressing issue's supporting campaigns like Move To Amend - getting involved and staying involved - making our voices heard.


[-] 2 points by shooz (14118) 0 minutes ago

It's always an attempt to drag it back to the political arena, like blaming the FED instead of WallStreet. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I've said this before too.

Throw WallStreet out of the FED. Conflict of interest, of truly dangerous proportions.

Notice they crashed the Worlds economy, and are now using the FED as a foil, cover and distraction of their actions.and involvement.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yep - attacks on the issues that concern all of the people and that address recovering our government country world from the corpoRATions that are killing us all.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

It's always an attempt to drag it back to the political arena, like blaming the FED instead of WallStreet.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

HAMMER + NAIL and a direct hit on the head of the nail.

Stock market wallstreet manipulating the Fed = HUGE CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN THE STABILITY OF THIS COUNTRY.

I mean - HAS NO ONE WONDERED ??? - No interest paid to individual savings accounts - HAS NO ONE SEEN THE CONNECTION ??? - you want to earn on your money - YOU HAVE TO GAMBLE WITH IT - AND ONLY THE GAMBLING HOUSES WIN !!!!


[-] 2 points by shooz (14129) 0 minutes ago

I've said this before too.

Throw WallStreet out of the FED. Conflict of interest, of truly dangerous proportions.

Notice they crashed the Worlds economy, and are now using the FED as a foil, cover and distraction of their actions.and involvement. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Care for a lottery ticket?

How about 10?

You know you don't have enough to "WIN" in the WallStreet casino.

And so it goes.

Don't forget the lottery profits go to the schools.....................(not)

Oooops, they were just kidding about that.

[+] -4 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Wind power doesn't drive cars. The thread does not point out mechanisms used to suppress green tech by the current kings of energy. This thread doesn't do anything but pull the heart strings of the liberal class. It's fluff. Try again.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

It sure can if it's an electric vehicle.

Mostly I hear about how it's all Obama's fault that some of those green tech concerns go bankrupt.

I'm well aware of the implications that the corporations in power use to discredit almost everything.

How they use multi-pronged marketing/PR to reach their "goals".

You richard, have never even mentioned it.

That's all the more reason to support all kinds of green tech, if only to see what will work.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

TRUTH - and of course reworking trade agreements that under cut domestic industry and all domestic business.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

That, and I've mention multiple times that the ability to incorporate is not a right, but a privilege that we the people grant them, and there isn't a single reason in the world that we can't have every single corporate charter re-written in a way that serves the people and the nation instead of the investors..

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

AGREE

The People the Country the World/Environment and last of all - yes - investors too. Rules of incorporation that protect and support the people/environment/country/world - this should not be a difficult thing to do - hell let investors earn the same rate as a savings account - something like .1 or .01 %?

[+] -4 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Because we all contribute to the problem. Energy is not an Occupy issue because we do nothing to change it. We rely on the current model and as such, we are guilty. You want to provide hard data about the suppression of options, please do so.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

You do realize you are speaking most strictly to yourself.

Perhaps you could use GNAT or trevor to answer yourself.

As far as suppression? I thought you were a BIG WSJ fan.

They've been suppressing it for years, along with global warming.

Just go read some stuff from Betsy, instead of attacking liberals..

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[-] 0 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

"punishment"????????? you continue to entertain. P..S i never said " i didnt mean it". you really are a hoot,........... Oh, and when you spit, be sure to wipe the dribble off your chin(s).

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[-] 0 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

try re-reading the book,.............ahab died , the whale won.

[-] -1 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

it may be a melville quote but YOU posted it.yes, i know that ahab ws the captain of the pequod and was after the great white whale that took his leg.so?

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You (the racist pig) are the white whale. I (the righteous defender of correctness) am Ahab.

Do you think people who need simple things explained to them are more prone to be racists.?

[-] -2 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

posted by vqkag2 " i will spit my last breath at thee",.............read your own posts .

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

LOL. it's a Melville quote. Ahab I believe. (not Arab) He was white. You racist pig!

[-] -1 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

go green, clear cut a forest today.

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[-] 0 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

you still have no idea you were being played. i know you're not particuarly bright, but i dont know you were really this dumb.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Racist pig

[-] -1 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

i dont " hate " anyone, though i do dislike and have no use for some. Its their ideology , stupid.

[-] -1 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

everyone is different from everyone else. no two people are indentical even if they're of the same race.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Knocking down CorpoRATions to proper size as well as to proper legal operation "IS". And that gets support from supporting the implementation of green technology. Which by the way would hurt Koch and Haliburton and BP and Shell and etc etc etc etc. And would affect wallstreet directly as directly as ending the use of fossil fuel would affect those corpoRATions.

So either you are blind or you are working at cross purposes.

[-] -3 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

That isn't what this thread or your comments are about. You cannot imply context for credibility when the context doesn't exist. FACTS, INFORMATION. If we wanted fluff, we could just turn on the fucking television.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

How is calling for support of green technology implementation - not pertinent to this post? Wind power is green technology and should be supported - but it is not the only green technology - and my call is in addition to supporting green wind power credits for the developing industry.

Are you truly blind???

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

BTW - In case you were not aware - knocking out the use of fossil fuel - would also drive down the need for the military industrial complex and the needless loss of life around the world ( our lives and their lives ).

So fossil fuel and green tech are very central.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Here's a small victory that I submit was affected by the many petitions we've signed!

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec/14/nation/la-na-obama-soot-20121215

Much more to go.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yes - very much further to go - but it is a small step in the correct direction - perhaps the next step will be easier and bigger.

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[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Keystone pipeline protest in Washington in February.

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[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Even one individual - CAN - make a difference.

[-] -3 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

lol. Naive. If the government wanted to switch to green energy, they would. We stay on oil because it provides an excuse and window to international power and influence. You could take two coils of opposing metals the size of refrigerators, bury them in your back yard and power your house for free. Harnessing natural energy was demystified in the 1800's jack ass.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Hey Jackass - we are here because the government is not doing the right things - for this country - and for the world. Did You Forget That We Are Protesting And Supporting Actions For The Public To Support?

Did You Forget That This Is A Grass-Roots Movement To Get The Public Involved In Fighting What Is Wrong In This Country And The World?

Do you Really Fail To Understand - That these Issues Are For The Public To Unite In Support Of Recovering Our Government?

[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

I understand that the forum has been kettled into a realm of fluff and non-information. I understand that threads with hard data always float to the bottom. I understand that even when those threads with hard data expose how the 99% is being fucked over, you and yours do everything you can to nullify and neutralize the issue and after you trash the threads you continue floating nonsense like this thread to the top. I understand it's being done with such reliability that is is provably systematic and intentional. Talking to you doesn't change that. And I will continue pointing it out. I will continue posting hard data. I will continue calling you and yours out for suppressing it and floating fluff. This battle is not new. In fact, it's so not new that these operations are common knowledge and I have the documents to prove that doing on this forum has a monetary value. I will not relent.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Wow RKG - you are so screwed up. I mean if you believe the crap you spew on other individuals threads that are in support of Occupy and more importantly the People and the World. The fight against corpoRATion ownership of government environment people and the world - is an extensive front that all ties together. And You Call It Fluff what kind of a blind fool are you? Or are you just a subversive?

[-] -3 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Yeah, switching back to this again huh. And still implying context to your participation that simply doesn't exist.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

This is the way you create an industry from landfill clearing activities (as we discussed long ago)

http://truth-out.org/news/item/13362-toward-zero-waste-waste-pickers-running-bio-gas-plants-in-mumbai-india

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

BS - RKG - BS - just like much of your interaction on this forum - at least you are consistent in that regard - BS - in case you already forgot - you are a natural at slinging it - it seems - or you really do have comprehension problems.

[-] -2 points by thestonemill (-93) 1 year ago

If and when they do not get renewed there is going to be thousands of them going idle

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

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[-] -1 points by thestonemill (-93) 1 year ago

I am not sure "when" you were born but China has copied thousands of things that the US has either created or started. So do not even go there blaming it on the right. Also the majority of the solar companies. (almost all of them) have resulted in failure and a lot of wasted tax dollars. All of the greentech firms that went belly up were also obama campaign contributors "hmm, makes you wonder"

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[-] -3 points by thestonemill (-93) 1 year ago

Fossil fuels cannot be eliminated until there is an alternative working replacement in place. This is going to take years to achieve but you libs think it will happen overnight or it has already happened.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Tesla: Car of the year!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2012/11/12/tesla-model-s-electric-car-motor-trend-car-of-the-year/1701167/

So battery tech must improve? Longer charge, Longer life, and cheaper. No prob. That's right around the corner.. What else ya got?

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[-] -3 points by thestonemill (-93) 1 year ago

Like what programs and where is GM's electric car that the taxpayers are funding? Oh that's right, they halted production on it again. Looks like many did not opt to buy the volt that only travels 40 miles on a charge. GM only had a spike in sales because GE employees were forced to buy them and that is only because GE is making the batteries for them.

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[-] -2 points by thestonemill (-93) 1 year ago

Might help them what? go down the road for a few miles and then plug them in for another eight hours for a re-charge. As far as the Chevy volt goes, I would not even pay scrap price for it. Batteries in them last less than four years and cost 10,000 to replace, no thanks

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[-] -2 points by thestonemill (-93) 1 year ago

Where is your proof that longer life and cheaper ones are right around the corner??? Electric car would be suitable for a city idiot but not for country boys. Not unless we used them for checking the mail, etc

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[-] -1 points by thestonemill (-93) 1 year ago

you already responded once

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[-] 0 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

The picture is photoshopped. Show me a video that contains this frame in sequence.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Do you support less soot?

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec/14/nation/la-na-obama-soot-20121215

Small victory, slow progress.

Whatta ya think?

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[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

If you can't provide evidence to support an argument, then that argument is baseless and completely without merit.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

This is how we can address unemployment. Build 2 million wind turbines!

http://sierraclub.typepad.com/compass/2013/01/wind-ptc-passage.html

[-] -1 points by newShep (-179) 1 year ago

The photo of Pres Bush is a fake but their is many legit ones of the food stamp Pres (obama) bowing down and kissing other leaders asses. Notice how obama bows down like a true moooooslim he is

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[-] -1 points by newShep (-179) 1 year ago

No just as long as they stay out of the US

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[-] -2 points by newShep (-179) 1 year ago

People that wear towels on their heads is the only reason for increased security for air travel. Not too mention that they own about 80% of the motels, party stores in the US. And the stores, motels that they do own they turned them into slums.

[-] 0 points by janus2 (-387) 1 year ago

there are more muslims in dearborn michigan.

[-] -3 points by newShep (-179) 1 year ago

Yes and even one is too many

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

No fossilfuel/Nuclear energy. You need to read this if you care about Michigan.

http://www.nationofchange.org/new-york-health-officials-outline-health-risks-fracking-1354114205

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[-] -3 points by newShep (-179) 1 year ago

Detroit is infested with them

[-] -1 points by janus2 (-387) 1 year ago

i didnt know there was anyone left in detroit

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Remember rivers burning in the '60's & '70's. That would be a campfire compared to what they have planned for the great lakes.

http://www.nationofchange.org/fracking-great-lakes-1353854373

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Agitate all pols for greentech investment

http://content.sierraclub.org/climatecomeshome/michael-brune

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Stop polluting now, save theearth for yourchildren.

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nightly-news/50018387#50018387

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Finally a plan for my canal. Ain'tcha happy?

http://www.enn.com/pollution/article/45394

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Then you are openly admitting to being a racist.

I will predict that you will have a new username before too long, as you will need one to keep posting your nonsense..

[+] -4 points by newShep (-179) 1 year ago

Muslims are about the only ones left in Detroit and their is more muslims in Detroit then anywhere else in the US

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[-] -3 points by newShep (-179) 1 year ago

No I am not afraid of them at all and for the most part a lot of them are not very clean people. Evidence of that is when you stay at one of their motels and you can tell that the sheets or some of the rooms have not been cleaned in a very long time. Some of them (not all) are very filthy people

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[-] -2 points by thestonemill (-93) 1 year ago

Agitate all pols for greentech investment ///////////////////////////////////////////////http://www.forbes.com/sites/martinlamonica/2012/10/10/new-rules-for-green-tech-investing/

[-] -2 points by newShep (-179) 1 year ago

I am not afraid of any race and I know a lot of blacks that also lean to the right so there is no racism there. As far as the illegals go, they belong in Mexico and need to stay there

[-] 1 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 1 year ago

Thanks for the link.

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[-] 2 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 1 year ago

I know.Funny how some people forget that he was after all just a dorky cheerleader.And let also not forget how he protected us from Mexico during the height of Vietnam.

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 month ago

Is this substantive?

http://gofossilfree.org/

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

But you forgot the greenest one the omits zero green house gases, Nuclear Power

http://theenergycollective.com/node/84553 http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/29/nuclear-power-is-true-green-energy/?page=all

http://www.epa.gov/cleanenergy/energy-and-you/index.html

also in the five green tech actions they say natural gas should be used. which is absolutely correct. It would bring jobs here and provide a constant stream of money into the hand of workers..

a must look at for you VQ > http://ansnuclearcafe.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Wind-turbines-nuclear-compared.pdf

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

why do you send these random links to me do i look like a representative from the gas companies

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You don't like info on Oil/Gas abuse of the environment?

I thought you had an interest in energy issues.?

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

I know most of it and can read it on my own but thank you for your concern

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Of course my concern is for the environment. My sending you these links comes from a desire to share with a fellow environmentally concerned occupier.

I hope I'm not buggin' you. "I don't mean to bug ya'"

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

well thanks for that

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Anytime. Don't mention it.

End burning of fossil fuels!

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 month ago

Anti nuke is pro 99%.

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 month ago
[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Thorium nuclear power and landfill or sewer gas recovery/use. Not uranium or fracking/NG.

[-] 2 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

then you understand where I'm coming from

really what type of products where you putting out because the jobs most ME's get is vast and far

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

???? you are responding to what comment? With what intent?

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayabusa

To the Japanese landing on an asteroid

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

LOL - ahem - I mean - wow - huge - grains of material gathered from off the surface recovered - WOW. Unmanned vehicular type vehicle - wow - particulates - extraordinary.

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

only an idiot would laugh at one of the greatest scientific breakthroughs of the 21st century. It seem small but so was Sputnik then look where we were 10 years later.

im done talking to you when you develop the brain larger than a howler monkey you can talk to me

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Ummm if that were the case - that would leave you "still" being severely disadvantaged. Quit while you are still behind - but not totally laughable - yet.

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

i only see the forum idiot laughing

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

R U looking in a mirror? Because only that instance would hold any validity.

BTW - are you always so harsh in judgement of your self?

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

No mirror just this forum in shock of how idiotic society has fallen

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yes - well with comments like yours and other shills can you blame them?

[-] -1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

hahah calling me a shrill, good drive more people away from this movement.

Dk i remember getting in with you earlier in the year well im still here and you haven't changed the world yet while i have with research and other scientific advances so yes call me a shrill but in actuality i have done more for our society than you have with your computer

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Shill not shrill - though you do seem to be getting shrill with your rejoinders.

Like I said - I have had many years helping mechanical engineers make functioning "and" serviceable products.

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

name the products

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Nope - not gonna - as I have a dispute with them that is ongoing. I will tell you that the product line dealt with quick connects for fluid and gas transfer as well as for pressure and vacuum testing - high pressure ( in excess of 5000 lbs ) vacuum testing to minus 120 lbs. per sq inch. Production equipment and testing equipment.

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

ahh so hydraulic company

well good luck with what ever debate you have with them

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

Sure but thorium reactors still use Uranium

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

No your spelling my degree wrong and i find it insulting. considering there is no reason to abbreviate it like that. Also unless you have a degree in it i suggest you spell it correctly considering an Engineer has designed everything you are using today.

We build things to the best of our ablity but when things go down the road better tech and systems are found or it is found that systems are not correctly calculated . Flaws are not made on purpose but just known to happen a spinning rod will eventually break due to torsion on the rod its not the engineer fault when it breaks. Materials are not perfect systems will fail its a matter of probability.

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[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

That has nothing to do with Nuclear Energy

http://occupywallst.org/forum/nuclear-energy/

i suggest you read this before you post about Nuclear energy as vital resource

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Nuclear too dangerous & fossil fuel too dirty Stop the fossil fuel subsidies. Look at how they spend our dollars.

http://www.care2.com/causes/how-big-oil-spent-part-of-its-90-billion-in-profits-so-far-in-2012.html

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Climate Science decided!

13,950 peer review science articles, only 24 deny it's happening.

http://www.upworthy.com/the-most-devastatingly-convincing-pie-chart-youve-ever-seen?c=upw1

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[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

I know climate change is happening has been for millions of years. Thats why im pushing a clean energy that can supply a baseload power

[-] -2 points by lignite (-303) 1 year ago

Climate science ==== "redistribution" taking money from the rich Countries and distributing to the poor lazy fucks

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[-] -2 points by lignite (-303) 1 year ago

No I mean the poor Countries that fail to fin for their selves, we need to feed their sorry asses

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[-] -2 points by lignite (-303) 1 year ago

We should stay home and mind our own business like other Countries do,. The majority of them hate us but they love our free money, food, etc

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Ok.

But didn't we destroy their govts over the last hundred years or so.

You break it you bought it right?

What about that confederate flag true meaning stuff? You wanna try again?

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[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

Not really an "experiment" but an actuall

You didn't read did you because if you did you would understand nuclear power is not fossil fuel nor is it like fossil fuel in anyway such as production or environmental effects

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[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

No not at all read more into it

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[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

Yes companies such as Duke Energy and AEP are owners of nuclear power plants but are also building and operating Windmill farms. you can look at their websites to find that info.

Do have any evidence that the just nuclear industry is pushing away green tech. I will be expecting links and news stories for this one

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[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

Avoiding to answer because there is no evidence

Im talking about nuclear not fossil fuel since fossil fuel is not like nuclear in anyway shape or form. Since im only talking about nuclear energy i want to know is there any way shape or form that they are pushing away from green tech

Considering they are the only major platform of zero emission energy i think they are leading the green tech

i suggest you read this again

http://occupywallst.org/forum/nuclear-energy/

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[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

No not in the slightest

still waiting for more than your word on these lobbying groups

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You may believe that the nuclear industry does not spend money on lobbying but I know the reality. I mean you don't have to take my word for it. Do a search. Here I'll give you a head start:

http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/issuesum.php?id=ENG

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

I know people that lobby for companies for nuclear power but i never heard of them pushing green tech away. Thats something i never heard and nuclear company say. So find that for me because Ive done the research and i cant find it. When you find it feel free to put it here ill be waiting http://occupywallst.org/forum/nuclear-energy/

It cost a lot of money to build a nuclear power plant with years of planning and getting permits. I know they are advocating build more towers. Thats what they are lobbying to get. Not putting down green companies

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[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

its good it powers your lights and millions of others.

Nuclear isn't the best theoretical power but it is the best that this planet has at the present moment. Fusion power will take its place in the future.

Do you know a better baseload power than Nuclear

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[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

No i looked at that link its a dead end so i tossed it i want a new one that actually shows them pushing green tech away from the market on my desk by the end of the day.

Nuclear isn't the best theoretical power but it is the best that this planet has at the present moment. Fusion power will take its place in the future.

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

Still dont see it i expect it on my desk by the end of the day

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[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

Green tech is more expensive per kilowatt than Nuclear is

Do you actually know about this or are you just copypasting what you see on msn

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[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

In the mind of the unknown it is dangerous but in the eyes of the know it is simply math.

alright support what you want to support but i will support science and studies

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Stop burning things. Cut back on pollution for your childrens sake.

Support greentech. Divest from fossil fuel.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

I do support not burning things thats why I'm pronuclear.

this is why http://ansnuclearcafe.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Wind-turbines-nuclear-compared.pdf

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[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

yes i do understand this is about reliability and consistency. In the future we don't want rolling blackouts.

Do you have any other reason than it too dangerous

also address the link

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[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

Start up cost are the highest but maintnece are also high due to high employment. Which one employes more people wind farms or one nuclear power plant

actually its 6k to equal the power out put of one plant over the same time span. Did you also read the fine print of depends on wind currents.

I'm sorry but you are a little to simple minded to understand this

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[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

forget it, believe your propaganda bullshit

ignorance is bliss with you

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[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

First of all its not propaganda if its factual information. The reason i raised it to 6k is to show the life span of a wind turbine is 20 years with maintenance while the nuclear power plant is 60 years. Its simple math

These turbines are larger than the statue of liberty and same size if she was laid down sidewise. That's a huge space for one turbine. now lets put six million in the mix. Do we have enough areas for wind to actually be worth building six million. these fields cannot be one giant one but spaced out over the land. Since California and New York have already opted out since they are to ugly to be put near them. where do we put them. In the Midwest well we could but there is already farms in the Midwest that are not doing so well. What about down south no i don't think they would allow it. So find an area large enough for these turbines that averages 34 miles an hour wind 24/7. Using 34 since it is 2mw turbine used in the link provided.

http://www.aweo.org/windmodels.html

§The rated, or nominal, wind speed is the speed at which the turbine produces power at its full capacity. For example the GE 1.5s does not generate 1.5 MW of power until the wind is blowing steadily at 27 mph or more. As the wind falls below that, power production falls exponentially.

Just because you plant the seed doesn't mean the plant will grow

http://www.avionexusa.com/overview.htm

so this is showing the average specs of wind turbines

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

And Mass. is also planning coastal wind farms.

So complicated sensitive nuclear tech can last 60 years. and simple easily upgraded wind turbines only 20.?

You gotta be fuckin moron to believe that non sense! Nuclear tech should be updated regularly (bi annually) because thesafety risk, and in recognition ofthe rate of improvement in tech.

Wind turbines will require precious little maintenance and have there life extended for decades. And you don't have to shut the whole farm down to upgrade.

Please. Don't be an idiot. Use your head.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

Show me evidence that wind turbines last a 100 years show me the source because i cant find it.

Yes the technology to manage it is done every time they have a plant shutdown. Obviously new sensors and computers have been implanted into these power plants.

but the control rods to control the fission reaction doesn't need to be changed but is changed every time the fuel is changed

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You are absolutely wrong about NY opting out. We are planning big farms in the ocean, the Midatlantic has another massive farm planned (w/ google) in their ocean,

The midwest which is perfect because ofit's massive wind resource absolutely is pursuing wind farms, & many farmers are lovin it.

I will look for an article on Cali but I am 100% certain they will be doing wind farms big time off the coast.

And I would submit to you that nuclear plant tech is most definitely out of date after 10 years let alone 60. We already have major problems with the 30 year old nuclear tech we use.

Turbines though can last 100 years!

So then I guess we don't need as many? Please you don't know what you'retalkin about & you're pushing the worst energy tech we have.

LOL

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago
[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

The improvement to greentech continues. We need a 'Manhattan project" in this area if we going to replace fossil fuel quickly.

We still have nothing to replace airplanes. (remember the clear sky stories when planes were grounded after 9/11?) or big trucks.

We can improve electric motors if we commit the resources to the scientific research.

So that is where our pressure needs to be.

Transfer the fossil fuel subsidies to greentech research.

"It's the only way to be sure"

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Liquid Hydrogen can fuel jets. Hell Liquid Hydrogen could fuel everything. There are already hybrid vehicles that can burn both gasoline and propane just by flipping a switch on the dashboard. Liquid propane bottling is no different then liquid hydrogen bottling. Gas stations can refill your liquid propane bottles right now. How difficult would it be for them to handle liquid hydrogen bottle refills?

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You get a new more efficient motor and you replace it. 2 men. 1 crane. no disruption to the farm output. No rebuild required. Same thing if you develop more efficient blades.

Too obvious. You clearly have no experience with engineering.

I don't believe that you have any degree at all. Let alone engineering.

Sorry if you truly need this simple concept explained you ain't educated.

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

honestly just wanted to hear if you knew

It takes a few more than that but also depends on where it is and how heavy the windmill is with crane load capacity. But here is the main problem efficiency of the motor that is the real task of upgrading and re designing a motor to be more efficient

But you are right i dont have a degree yet im working on it right now.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You said:

"

by saying wind is better than solar no it goes solar< wind < nuclear

if its so easy than you should have a hard time explaining it so explain it to me"

What exactly do you need explained? I will try if ain't too obvious.

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

explain how the tech of wind power is easily upgraded

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You know when you attempt to chase me off the forum you confirm my effectiveness at debunking your weak impotent argument.

LOL.

Wind turbine tech is easier to upgrade in the field than nuclear tech for obvious reasons. The question is too stupid for me to that justify with specifics. It's just too obvious.

Sorry.

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

by saying wind is better than solar no it goes solar< wind < nuclear

if its so easy than you should have a hard time explaining it so explain it to me

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

The safest tech/construction methods that we have developed for nuclear plants CANNOT be applied to existing 30 - 50 year old as "upgrades". I disagree with you and daddy regardless of any unprovable degrees you hype.

I'm not waiting in my apt to die. I fighting for the widescale use & solution of greentech energy.

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

then get off the internet your using energy up that could be used for better things.

Why can upgrades be applied to windmills but not to nuclear power plants isnt that biased.

Sure dont believe me, My father and I are actually in positions to change this world and how it uses energy. So keep believing the bullshit that you are being fed and ill be over here doing actual work.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

The difference between the tech of nuclear & wind turbine is vast.

You have to be an idiot not to understand that you can update a single turbine with life extending tech with limited manpower and minimal time.

Gimme a break you ain't got a leg to stand on. Give it up.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

yes nuclear power is higher tech than wind power. Wind is simple conversion of kinetic energy to electric energy by the spinning blades.

OK if im an idiot tell me why the tech can be updated

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Very Obvious as DB should be aware - I mean being a mechanical engineering student and all - he must not get very good grades - unless of course he is being taught the credo of built in obsolescence.


[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (13088) 0 minutes ago

Well said DK. It is obvious. Isn't it? ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

i was just reading this literally with out you posting it. As you can see it shows that the average speed does not support the average need for these types of windmills

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

also as you can see they are attacking me for posting factual information that is not in course with they're beliefs so i must be lying or a shrill

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

With proper maintenance why shouldn't they last 100 years(?) or even longer - and be upgraded from time to time as improvements and needed maintenance makes it worthwhile.


[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1229) 12 minutes ago

Show me evidence that wind turbines last a 100 years show me the source because i cant find it.

Yes the technology to manage it is done every time they have a plant shutdown. Obviously new sensors and computers have been implanted into these power plants.

but the control rods to control the fission reaction doesn't need to be changed but is changed every time the fuel is changed ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

Nothing last forever look at cars they just wear down beyond repair and fail.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

What do you see as the advantages of wind over solar?

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

i like wind alot more than solar since solar can only be used effectively in one area while wind can be used in vast different set of areas.

Its also stability of the machine solar panels are far more likely to break than a turbine is.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Save your feelings and declarations of egotistical superiority for someone who does not have a clue - I have spent over twelve years helping Mechanical Engineers make functioning functional and serviceable products.


[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1232) 5 minutes ago

No your spelling my degree wrong and i find it insulting. considering there is no reason to abbreviate it like that. Also unless you have a degree in it i suggest you spell it correctly considering an Engineer has designed everything you are using today.

We build things to the best of our ablity but when things go down the road better tech and systems are found or it is found that systems are not correctly calculated . Flaws are not made on purpose but just known to happen a spinning rod will eventually break due to torsion on the rod its not the engineer fault when it breaks. Materials are not perfect systems will fail its a matter of probability. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You can't figger out M-chanical? Provide a link for the Japanese landing on an asteroid.

Accidental flaws are one thing - intentional non repairable equipment is another - and that would likely be only called a flaw by those who purchase the product only to find out that service maintenance is severely limited to needing to replace the whole unit rather then a piece of a whole unit.


[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1232) 0 minutes ago

First of all what the hell is M-chanical?

Yes designs are flawed and worked on over and over and over. But in over all design and output Nuclear power plants are better than wind turbines in efficiency. It just a matter of numbers.

You say i have alot of blind spots but as you see im a mechanical engineer there are many different types of engineers to cover for what we can not see. But that does not apply to wind turbines and efficiency since i deal with this as it is a simple motor. I see that it is unreliable i see the faults in the design i also know that to repair them is impossible with the same design. The design that is most efficient is being used but even then it is still not returning energy as we expected.

You also never responded to my comment about the Japanese landing on an asteroid ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

No your spelling my degree wrong and i find it insulting. considering there is no reason to abbreviate it like that. Also unless you have a degree in it i suggest you spell it correctly considering an Engineer has designed everything you are using today.

We build things to the best of our ablity but when things go down the road better tech and systems are found or it is found that systems are not correctly calculated . Flaws are not made on purpose but just known to happen a spinning rod will eventually break due to torsion on the rod its not the engineer fault when it breaks. Materials are not perfect systems will fail its a matter of probability.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

OH come on now - You are an M-chanical ngeneer student(?) - and you are gonna play dumb about design flaw or built in obsolescence? Really?


[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1232) 4 minutes ago

whatdo you mean ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

First of all what the hell is M-chanical?

Yes designs are flawed and worked on over and over and over. But in over all design and output Nuclear power plants are better than wind turbines in efficiency. It just a matter of numbers.

You say i have alot of blind spots but as you see im a mechanical engineer there are many different types of engineers to cover for what we can not see. But that does not apply to wind turbines and efficiency since i deal with this as it is a simple motor. I see that it is unreliable i see the faults in the design i also know that to repair them is impossible with the same design. The design that is most efficient is being used but even then it is still not returning energy as we expected.

You also never responded to my comment about the Japanese landing on an asteroid

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[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

we do update them with better sensors and computers are you sure you know what you are talking about at all. Because i grew up with nuclear power my father who has environmental engineering degree and a masters in nuclear engineering is telling me the tech for nuclear energy on most plants is up to date. He also is against solar and wind for some reason maybe because after 30 years of working in industry he knows that nuclear power is the way to go.

by the way his job is to make sure the spent nuclear fuel is put away safely from being used.

so do you have a degree from a top internationally ranked Engineering school if so ill shut up. Until then ill have a better knowledge than you and im to know you are no where near energy design because you show absolute no knowledge of basic construction, physics, and common sense.

Call me a shrill all you want but im actually working to solve problems you are just waiting in your apartment to die

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

He also thinks it would be quicker to industrialize space prior to upgrading the planetary infra structure to be green in a necessary compliment/support to funding the drive to industrialize space. He has a lot of apparent blind spots - but he is not the 1st engineer that I have met that was the same way.

QA will often send design back to engineering due to the fact that they missed one or more items of function and application.


[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (13088) 2 minutes ago

He could just be messin with me, or simply just a big nuclear supporter who has no regard for facts. Also possible, A fossil fuel shill trying to discredit green tech at all costs.

I don't know. I only know he is wrong! ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

BTW - is that not a design flaw/failure(?) or intentional obsolescence to sell new product?


[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1229) 0 minutes ago

Nothing last forever look at cars they just wear down beyond repair and fail. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

whatdo you mean

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yes with out needed maintenance and repair - absolutely. That is why I said with continued maintenance repair and even upgrades. Apparently you missed that part of the comment you are replying to?


[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1229) 0 minutes ago

Nothing last forever look at cars they just wear down beyond repair and fail. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

He could just be messin with me, or simply just a big nuclear supporter who has no regard for facts. Also possible, A fossil fuel shill trying to discredit green tech at all costs.

I don't know. I only know he is wrong!

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

yes but then why dont we have model T running around today then

this meaning things again dont last forever bearings wear down and need to replaced and its cheaper to replace the whole system than to replace one part.

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[-] 0 points by highlander (-163) 1 year ago

when plasma screen tv's first appeared on the market, a typical price was around $8,000. the good old fashioned vacuum tube tv's were just fine. time went by, the manufacturing process progressed, and the price went down. The price goes down and more plasma screen tv's are sold. No matter how green the energy and no matter how eco-friendly the product, if it is more expensive than your wicked fossil fuel vehicles, no one with a budget will buy it. When the price goes down, more people will buy and invest in these alternative energies.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Cool. Let's remove the subsidies for fossil fuels that keep their price low, and transfer those subsidies to green energy so that green energy costs drops.

That'll do it.

Great idea, Thanks

[-] 0 points by highlander (-163) 1 year ago

It would be interesting to see all subsidies go away. Instead of subsidies, perhaps an investment - a government loan for a company with a good track record for success based on its science, business plan, etc, not who one knows in government.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Subsidy, investment I don't care what you call it.

Divest from fossil fuel, invest in greentech.

That is what we need.

[-] 1 points by highlander (-163) 1 year ago

invest, meaning in a project with a chance of success with sound science behind it.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Of course. Greentech!

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Every bit helps. There are powerful forces holding back inevitable progress for the last 3 decades.

But they cannot stop progress.

Thx

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4784) 1 year ago

This is just the beginning of, Tribal power production.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Ok. Sounds good. I'd like to be part of the tribe. I have some indiginous blood in me.

[-] 0 points by rayolite (461) 1 year ago

All the environmental destruction is from behavior. Our species has a survival and evolution problem.

This simple and accurate perspective is almost always abandoned in favor of sensational aspect of more, greater problems. Rather that discussion on solution based in people learning to modify their own behaviors, we have discussion about problems.

No wonder things continue to deteriorate.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I support changing behavior, less burning of fossil fuels, less consumerism, no keeping up with the joneses, live near work, no cars, eat food locally grown. & more

behavior modification is definitely the solution. What change would you suggest.?

[-] 0 points by rayolite (461) 1 year ago

Psychology needs to show the public the truth about behaviors. They are controlled by the unconscious mind.

Our society rejects the unconscious mind because it IS a merge of church and state through the conditioning applied over some generations, + the dumbing down.

There are many good people that have the same integrity and awareness that you present in your post. However, free speech is abridged, so they cannot find one another to create alliance and set example of alternative life styles that might engage the unconscious directly to enable people to make many small sacrifices in wants/desires while increasing the fulfillment of life.

The courts are unjust and unconstitutional while psychology neglects the unconscious because the power of state will disapprove and disempower if they do not avoid addressing the issues of the human unconscious directly.

This is a profound dysfunction because the proportions of conscious to unconscious that we all have show us that life is REALLY, mostly an unconscious event. This graphic shows the proportions.

http://i41.tinypic.com/a15nx3.jpg

Science and medicine, being intellectual, of the mind, cannot reasonably ignore the implications, but they are, and we are letting them.

Ironically, we have all of these problems, and no one really knows why, while the notion that they are created and perpetuated unconsciously is rejected. :-(

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Wow that's pretty deep.

behavior modification is definitely the solution. What change would you suggest.?

[-] 1 points by rayolite (461) 1 year ago

That graphic shows life is mostly an unconscious event. Consumption and the inability to effectively conserve also have strong unconscious factors.

Once we can treat drug addicts and soldiers with severe PTSD, then we can help people to work together on more radical conservation and abandoning portions of our carbon footprint.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Ok. Sounds great.

[-] 1 points by rayolite (461) 1 year ago

A mostly non political effort that change the conditions of politics because it leads to an examination of the human unconscious mind is a far more powerful strategy than most people realize.

It's the kind of thing that should have been done 30 years ago, but wasn't because it would reveal too much about our nature. It's the kind of thing that should be done no matter what else is happening.

Better late than never.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Great. Good luck.

[-] 1 points by rayolite (461) 1 year ago

We have legions of drug addicts, curiously, many would probably agree with many of the quality perspectives put forth on this forum. However, they have given up on themselves and society in their daily living. They are killing themselves in the most gratifying way, and they really don't want to.

If citizens of states look at state laws, some dictate that local municipalities MUST work with the public to develop investigational and experimental medical treatments if their is a chance of a loss of life without the treatment.

The advanced activist that recognized that the unconscious, for the most part, is in control of the human, must align with others to create reasonable public demand that the hippocratic oath be followed by the states doctors.

There are people working on this. One has posted here in the past and has a page on the treatment.

http://algoxy.com/psych/thetreatment.html

There are links to legal stuff the guy did. His efforts appear to have been so instrinsic to the secret control, that the local court rules were secretly revised to deprive him of access to courts. I spent quite a bit of time on that site. It changed my perspective on activism completely.

[-] -1 points by rayolite (461) 1 year ago

All good. We need co-ops that create experimental model communities. Socio-coordination structure, motives world view aspects need greater public discourse with free speech realized.

With academia and industry reviewing technologies that are optimized for the transition, then the sustainable state.

These are the reasons we need Article V. Amendment making national guidence for states and counties where corporations are embedded will greatly speed this process.

If that's the case, then we are back to preparatory amendment and the people defining constitutional intent because that controls Article V. BTW, I do not support Article V without preparatory amendment which includes the 3 I propose. They are the most constitutional imaginable.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

There is no such thing as preparatory amendment. There are only proposed changes to be forwarded pushed for campaigned for - like the Move to Amend campaign - if you want to call their ( MTA ) a preparatory amendment - then fine - because the Move To Amend campaign is using the constitutional process that is in place as outlined in article V. The proposed change is laid out - what happens to that proposal is another matter once it goes to consideration - of which the people have no control over what happens in the consideration process.

[-] -1 points by rayolite (461) 1 year ago

It is logical and constitutional to prepare for Article V.

MTA is misplaced legal jargon, "motion or move to amend" which does not exist in Article V or elsewhere. There is no such thing as "Motion to amend" other than a legal pleading filed in a court case.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I think people don't respond to you because you don't make sense.

Mother. father, children, forum not recognized? You're babbling, your comments are incoherent, your logic flawed, you want to push some precedent based effort from 100 years ago.

You don't make sense, Your arguments are not coherent.

Good luck in all your good efforts.

[-] -1 points by rayolite (461) 1 year ago

The nwo appreciates your efforts to confuse what is simple human instinct which the constitution supports. Pretending you don't understand the basis for\, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness will not blur peoples ability to see your evasion, manipulation and un accountability.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I never said I don't understand the basis for life, liberty, & the pursuit of happiness.

That's you blatantly lying. I understand the constitution very well. I understand ArtV movements much better having interacted with you.

Your explanations are unclear, incoherent, purposely avoiding simple questions. You seem dishonest, your blatant lies regarding what "I understand" just confirms your dishonesty.

Your efforts are probably not honorable since you fail to answer simple questions and then lie when you are criticized.

[-] 0 points by rayolite (461) 1 year ago

Article V IS "alter or abolish" abusive government. You are rejecting the to "alter or abolish" needed to protect life. You FAKE MF

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I haven't rejected anything but your incoherent psycho babblings!.

[-] 0 points by rayolite (461) 1 year ago

About Article V and constitutional intent. The nwo would want people to think such things are babble. They would not want people to share and understand information needed to survive. If this is not true, then;

"Which mother or father in this nation will ignore or pass up the real opportunity to assure their child will grow into a nation that holds high and honors understanding that can create; forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love, protecting their life, their liberty and their pursuit of happiness?"

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

huh?

Art V is not workable! You have gotten nowhere, & you can't explain the process in a lucid way!

And you can't give any kind of status on how far you've gotten.

Gimme a break.

[-] -1 points by rayolite (461) 1 year ago

Pretending ignorance won't work in this case.

ARTICLE V

"The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate."

And of course you refuse to examine constitutional intent, so your credibility as a freedom loving American is long gone.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Cutting & pasting the legalize of the constitution is meaningless. It's all greek to me.

Your plan? unclear.

Your progress? unspoken.

Your integrity? unlikely

Sorry. You don't seem real serious about this.

Good luck in all your good efforts.

[-] 0 points by rayolite (461) 1 year ago

Okay, you are unconstitutional because of pretend ignorance. Gee, maybe that would make you doubly so.

The meaning of one post relating to Article V is huge.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/drones-more-issues/#comment-886318

Preparatory Amendment is something you refuse to acknowledge even if it can lead to world peace by elimination of the MIC, something very unconstitutional.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Whatever you say.

Are you gettin any where?

When is it gonna happen?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I am unconstitutional? LMFAO.

You sound a bit ignorant.

[-] 0 points by rayolite (461) 1 year ago

Yup, constitutional intent must be engaged to be constitutional. You've refused. Article V is constitutional intent originating with the Declaration of Independence, meaning it's even worse than I first thought.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I don't see a workable path to achieve an Art V convention. Let me know what progress you've made.

[-] 1 points by rayolite (461) 1 year ago

You don't see educated people. Slowly that is changing. Mostly, now, they are learning (or trying to cope with the fact) that the ows methods don't work and are making the movement unpopular.

While that is happening, they are looking at other options. Amongst those is the notion that the law that gave the right for the ows protests to happen, needs direct and overt support because the cops working to control the protests are supposedly dedicated to observing the law.

If protests always have overt defense of the constitution visible, it's going to be hard to term protesters terrorists. The simple logic of this is moving more and more Americans to abandon partisan politics and this form of sensationalistic political action that is purely social with no legal process.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

OWS has stayed out of partisan politics, That is good.

OWS DOES work, and has had much success. It's popularity is growing.

I support changing the laws used against all peaceful protesters, all the rights violations that have been imposed because of fear mongering 'war on terror" propaganda must be repealed.

We have won court cases against police and we will protest, agitate for change until we succeed.

That doesn't change the lack of momentum on your Art V plan.

[-] 1 points by rayolite (461) 1 year ago

Political issues of media origin are sensational matters that the public can't do much about, but have interest in. They are basically minor issues within the structure of the problem Americans are faced with and they are used to distract from the controlling factors.

The issue of congress failing to call an Article V in 1911 is a far greater violation of the constitution than just about any event in the last century,IF we are talking about things that control all of America. That issue has never been on the news. If the movement knew what that really meant, they wouldn't bother with the small stuff.

Yes, there still are constitutional judges that will properly hear civil rights cases. However, this is a nation where EVERY judge has to do that, and if they don't, they have to be removed. Until the capacity exists to do that, many of the hot issues of media alternative or main, will simply be distractions.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Cool. How's that workin out for you. Gettin any momentum goin?

[-] 1 points by rayolite (461) 1 year ago

The momentum is already present and people of this movement are starting to see the direction of effective action.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I ain't seen no momentum for Art V. Do you have any evidence? Something that illustrates this alleged momentum?

I'd love to see it. Seeing that evidence would definitely be the best way to get me and others excited and on board.

[-] 0 points by rayolite (461) 1 year ago

The momentum of this movement will only be effective with Article V, and as the ignorance is dispelled, direct support will be more and more visible.

Notice that no one is capable of commenting on the effect of Preparatory Amendment. Which means they have no idea of what constitutional intent is.

The movement for now is leaving constitutional intent up to the elite to determine. When they realize what they are doing by default, then they will be showing what you need to see.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

So you can show no current momentum, but submit there will be momentum when ignorance is dispelled.

Great. So how is that goin. Are you working on dispelling ignorance.?

Cause you ain't convinced me yet. I am still ignorant regarding what you are trying to do.

Do you care?

[-] 0 points by rayolite (461) 1 year ago

Pretending ignorance works once, maybe twice, but your act of complete cognitive failure lost credibility some time ago.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/anti-nuke-is-pro-99/#comment-888679

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Oh ok. Then I guess you think I am not honest when I say I don't understand?

What I do understand is that you are doing very little to explain, & convince anyone about your progress, or that your efforts aren't part of the right wing effort to tighten they're grip on the peoples govt.

Money out of politics!! movetoamend.org

[-] -2 points by rayolite (461) 1 year ago

You are not honest. Article V is the law of the land. It has been explained to you and the strategy proposed. Your perceptions are flawed if you think any thing I do matches the typical behavior of the distortion, label, of partisan origin that you use.

I'm asking some posters that are women to be accountable for this instinctual position. http://occupywallst.org/forum/gunself-control/#comment-896428 http://occupywallst.org/forum/this-forum-is-no-longer-recognized-by-occupy/#comment-896398 bensdad was also asked to indicate which mother and father would ignore of pass the real opportunity to see free speech, sharing, understanding and survival benefit their children. http://occupywallst.org/forum/action-petition-alec-to-make-a-statement-about-the/#comment-903008 They all failed to respond. WHY? I would say it is because to respond draws attention to the weakness of their position.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Take Seattles lead! Agitate all cities divest from fossil fuel industry.

http://www.nationofchange.org/seattle-mayor-orders-city-divest-fossil-fuels-1356540202

[-] 0 points by rayolite (461) 1 year ago

I remember seattles wto protests long ago. The world should have followed them.

We need academia and industry to coordinate with us economically.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Brave souls. Now we look to all cities, and education institutions to follow the brave mayor of Seatle and divest from fossil fuel industry.

[-] 0 points by Coyote88 (-24) 1 year ago

And this will change nothing. And you know it. Why are you wasting time with ineffective, silly bullshit?

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

oil & gas cos & environmentalists agree on fracking approval process

http://news.yahoo.com/both-sides-agree-tough-fracking-standards-170129217--finance.html

Nothing good can come of this

[-] -2 points by newShep (-179) 1 year ago

That is why we need to re-open all of the coal mines and oil fields

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Stop burning things. We MUST cut pollution for the sake of our children!

Coal, Oil is so 19th century. The future belongs to greentech!

[-] -3 points by newShep (-179) 1 year ago

The future belongs to greentech!////////////////////////RAH RAH, RAH Go greentech only a handful of them left that has not gone belly up yet.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

There are plenty greentech doing just fine. I think there were 3 that went into bankruptcy.

You are tilting at windmills if you think you can stop future tech.

[-] -3 points by newShep (-179) 1 year ago

I live in the Country and thank God I do not live in or near a city. Although out here in the Country, some fields are littered with the wind farm crap. I know that when the funding runs out for them then there will be hundreds of idle ones setting out in the farmers fields.

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

LOL. Sounds like more Stoogetalk Shemp.

Wind is good! Oil too geopolitically dangerous. Solar good, Coal too dirty.

Geothermal good, nuclear too poisinous/expensive.

Get it?

[-] -3 points by newShep (-179) 1 year ago

Oil and coal has kept the US steaming along for a very long time and will continue to do the same in the future

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

We gotta stop polluting you Stooge! And we gotta stop using anything from the middle east.

Ain't you paying attention?

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[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Stop being offensive Stooge boy.

We gotta stop burning things, and stop submitting to the right wing fear mongering propaganda.

[-] -2 points by janus2 (-387) 1 year ago

we have more natural gas and oil than any other country, but the epa and obama will not let us utilize it.

[+] -4 points by newShep (-179) 1 year ago

You are correct and the US has more oil in the ground right now than the Middle East has ever had. With the restrictions on both oil and coal from the epa and obummer admin (Note, that there will be some very strict policies coming from both of them very soon) the epa and obama admin is going to severely cripple the US. Industries like Caterpillar etc are also going to be crushed by the restrictions. Look for massive layoffs to come in the near future

[-] -2 points by janus2 (-387) 1 year ago

layoffs are already hapening. and the joke is that many are happening in the states that " voted" for barry

[-] -3 points by newShep (-179) 1 year ago

I hope that everyone that voted for the village idiot loses their jobs first

[-] -1 points by janus2 (-387) 1 year ago

the only thing i now about them is that they are shills for the fascist obama adminstration.

[-] -3 points by newShep (-179) 1 year ago

Very true

[-] -2 points by janus2 (-387) 1 year ago

those who voted and then there are those who did not vote for him but the machines recorded a " barry " vote anyway. and then there are those that dont work anyway,.permanent barry welfare.

[-] -1 points by newShep (-179) 1 year ago

I think the majority of the left wing regulars on here do not work but they have their free obammy phones and groceries / rent paid for

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I disagree. Why do you think nothing will change.?

[-] 0 points by Nowsmichigan (-310) 1 year ago

Obama is close to agreeing on the XL pipeline from Canada to the US

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You're the racist piece of shit that used the slurs "spic", "illegals" & "retarded". What do you care? You are clearly a right wing wacko. You must support this pollution tech!

The protests should have been bigger!. It is OUR failure!

WE must grow the movement against polluting fossil fuels and in support of greentech!

Bastards!

[-] 2 points by gsw (2697) 1 year ago

I appreciate this and the other good posts on Rove and the Republican Traitors. V. http://occupywallst.org/forum/if-anonymous-says-so-it-must-be-true-why-we-must-p/

thanks for bringing the new info to my attention, and your focus on issues here. Have a Happy Thanksgiving .

We shall overcome.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-2nd-bill-of-rights/

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Thank you. Have a great holiday.

Solidarity.

[+] -4 points by janus2 (-387) 1 year ago

"illegal' is racist??????????????????? why? whats wrong with " "retarded"? how do you feel about the use of the words negro and colored?

[-] -3 points by janus2 (-387) 1 year ago

solar energy is a failure, all the solar companies are obama doners and bundlers , the obama govt gave them taxpayer money. solar is a huge money laundering machine for obama cronies.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

LMFAO. You are sadly mistaken. You don't believe those lies. You are simply a fossil fuel shill right?

"Can I....... burn it?" LOL You're a joke. A bad joke. but a joke nonetheless.

[-] 1 points by gsw (2697) 1 year ago

Heres what the germans do http://mashable.com/2012/11/13/obama-solar-power-germany/

People want solar and it is doing well.

http://www.seia.org/research-resources/america-votes-solar-national-solar-survey-2012

http://www.seia.org/research-resources/solar-industry-data

Maybe a couple businesses failed. That's capitalism. They don't fail they evolve. Corporate welfare should end. Green investments at the individual level do help us industry develop solar for individuals to get solar is good investment for country.

http://news.thomasnet.com/green_clean/2011/10/03/so-how-is-the-solar-industry-really-doing/

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

The bigger failure, is your ability to operate spellcheck functions.

Solar is doing just fine in Germany.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I'm ok with waging peace.

I wouldn't mind making peace and spreading clean energy tech to do so.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Check out one of the talks from Chappell.

He talks of using the military in the ways you've suggested.

To wage peace, rather than war.

If the World psychically changes in the ways we expect it too, we may need them to do just that.

They may be our salvation.

[-] 4 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I will check it out thanks.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Cap n trade. Thats the way out of this extreme weather, earth destroying pollution.

http://www.care2.com/causes/california-sells-out-of-pollution-permits.html

[-] -2 points by janus2 (-387) 1 year ago

cap and trade, another scam to control people and take their hard earned money

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

It's doing ok in Cali. & I believe Europe has worked out kinks.

Don't you think the true cost of fossil fuel (pollution) should be part of the cost of these fossil fuels.?

I mean we all agree they create pollution, they gotta pay for the clean up!. Cap n trade addresses that.

Get with the program!

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[-] -1 points by janus2 (-387) 1 year ago

do you have a problem with the use of the words negro and colored?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You aren't serious. You like insulting people with degrading racist slurs don't you?. Does it make you feel like a big man? LOL

[-] 0 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

Greentech actions should NOT include natural gas. NG is a hydrocarbon, it's dirty, and fracking ruins our environment ....... but BO will support it as he does the keystone P/L. Methane is 25 times MORE a greenhouse gas than co2.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

TRUE - LNG use from Fracking ( Fracking needs to be Banned ) should be banned - the pres seems to have overlooked(?) the poisoning of the environment caused by fracking. Blood Diamonds are banned/illegal shouldn't fracked LNG be the same?

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

The current use, And the Pres continued support & expansion of NG/fracking are profoundly disappointing.

I support the protesters who successfully pressured the Pres to delay the keystone pipeline project, And who are still protesting against it.

That is the most important approach.! WE must get into the streets, tree sit, chain ourselves to construction sites. It is up to us!

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

The president has already supported part of it. If you think he's going to tell the people who funded his campaign to go fuck themselves, you are crazy.

Remove ALL money from politics.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/05/entertainment-us-usa-darylhannah-keyston-idUSBRE89403T20121005

[-] -1 points by lignite (-303) 1 year ago

Wind power is a joke. It takes approx an 8 mph wind to get the blades turning and if it does not then power is taken from the grid to turn the props, in hopes the wind will pick up soon

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Wind & solar power is the future. The tech will continue to improve and spread. Soon so much of our energy will be coming from greentech we will be able to abandon all coal & nuclear power generation.

We will all be better off. We can help that occurance with our support and pressure on all pols.

Get in the street and protest against polluting tech

[-] -2 points by mapleLaneser (-120) 1 year ago

Oh no, the greenhouse gas effect is upon us again bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Frackers and coal miners as well as fossil fuel power plants. Let us also not forget to include the fossil fuel transportation and work machinery industries.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Ok. I'm with that.

'Hurricane Exxon'

Just so we all know who is responsible.

"this storm brought to you by the good people at Exxon Mobil, We'll destroy the planet before we give up a penny of profit"

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26217) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Sad but true = Exxon Mobil, We'll destroy the planet before we give up a penny of profit

[-] -1 points by mapleLaneser (-120) 1 year ago

Name storms after Oil co's!!!! ///////////////////////////// That is an easy one and it is called "Drill baby drill"

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

The planet be damned?

"hurricane drill baby drill"

[-] 1 points by nobnot (529) from Kapaa, HI 1 year ago

Sounds like you have a bit of gas going yourself.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Maybe we should listen to our youth. It is their future & their planet we are destroying after all.

http://www.nationofchange.org/youth-call-change-course-solve-climate-crisis-1355325406

Are you with us?

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[-] 1 points by mapleLaneser (-120) 1 year ago

Yes I do and there is no scientific proof

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

There is absolutely irrefutable, undeniable proof.

You are mistaken.

But regardless of all the science, and Greenhouse gas levels & such would you say you support creating less pollution in general.?

[-] -1 points by mapleLaneser (-120) 1 year ago

Ever here of climategate??? If not then have your Mama look it up on the net for ya. Gore is finished and no longer building anymore mansions

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Climategate was found to be a phony scandal. But regardless of that and Gores mansions, Do you think we should cut down on pollution?

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[-] 0 points by mapleLaneser (-120) 1 year ago

Yes bring on more fossil fuel, crank it up

[+] -5 points by queef (-69) 1 year ago

HA HA HA HA. Divest from all fossil fuels?? So no more gasoline? No more coal that powers 70% of homes and business. What the fuck do you think will power our economy?

A bigger bunch of assholes and moronic ideas never existed than those on this website.

Collect another barrel of rainwater asshole....and dump on your head. Try waking up to reality

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

renew wind power tax subsidies! Build 10 million wind turbines & replace all fossil fuel energy!

[-] 0 points by WSmith (1931) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

That's right dipshit!!

Should have done it 3 or 4 decades ago!!

Thanks to The Powell Memo (also known as the Powell Manifesto, http://reclaimdemocracy.org/powell_memo_lewis/), ignorant and propagandized RW Zombies like you are retarded in the knowledge of Big Fossil collusion to perpetuate the pollution and taxpayer subsidies (costs) all for continued record profits. GREED!!