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Forum Post: "The War That Canada Won" ; On The Manipulation of History & The Selection of Memory !!!

Posted 10 years ago on Sept. 5, 2012, 8:31 a.m. EST by shadz66 (19985)
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On The Manipulation of History & The Selection of Memory ...

"The War That Canada Won",

by Michael White (The Guardian).

In an anniversary-obsessed year – with the Titanic centenary, the bicentenary of Dickens's birth (and Shakespeare's 448th), and the Queen's Diamond Jubilee – one such opportunity is largely conspicuous by its absence. Yet not everyone gets to burn down the White House after eating a fleeing president's dinner. There is even a helpful clue in the title: the War of 1812. It followed the US Congress's indignant declaration of war on 24 June against – yes – imperial Britain, a country grappling with a mad King George III, a murdered PM (Spencer Perceval) and a 20-year struggle with France.

Strange that, apart from a couple of new histories, the 30-month conflict on land, sea and lake has had little attention in either country, though Canada pays more. Its existence as an independent country with an undefended 3,000-mile land border is one of several major consequences of a silly conflict that embarrassed both sides – and still does.

Britain had its hands full fighting Napoleon in 1812, and (as in 1914-17) Americans were cross with the way both sides' embargoes disrupted their trade. But they were especially cross with maritime Britain for seizing British-born sailors to serve in the Royal Navy, and for supporting tribal warriors like Tecumseh in the frontier wars.

Expansionist politicians from the south and west ("war hawks" as scornful critics put it) had their eye on French and Spanish colonies on the Mississippi and beyond. Taking British Canada would be "a mere matter of marching", ex-president Thomas Jefferson assured them. James Madison, the weak fourth president, didn't want war. Nor did merchants of New York and New England. But the Senate came within four votes (18-14) of declaring war on France too. Madness. A shambolic three-pronged US invasion of Canada was repelled, not least by loyalists who fled America in the war of independence. Parts of Maine were occupied.

It was not all one-way. The infant US navy was a meritocracy, grossly outnumbered, but its ships better designed with bigger guns, its privateers harrying British shipping in the Irish Sea. Overall Nelson's navy prevailed, but its "sacred spell of invincibility" was shattered, the Brits admitted.

Once Bonaparte had been dispatched (briefly) to exile in Elba, some 14,000 of Wellington's veterans (he declined to lead them) were dispatched to deal with what London saw as the treacherous stab in the back. Britain's own three-pronged attack on New York, Baltimore (where the defence of Fort McHenry inspired The Star-Spangled Banner) and Washington fared little better – though British troops did trash Congress and burn the White House in retaliation for the burning of Toronto.

US peace feelers had been out almost from day one and bore fruit in Ghent on Christmas Eve 1814, after London modified its arrogant terms and accepted the pre-war status quo. It left awkward matters such as fishing and the 49th parallel (today's undefended border) to be quietly resolved later. Canada remained British, America marched west, the Indians were sold out.

After all that US blood and treasure had been wasted, the war hawks might have been in trouble, but for a stroke of luck. Before news of the treaty crossed the Atlantic, General Andrew Jackson, a future president, thrashed the Brits (2,000 dead and wounded, three generals killed) in defence of New Orleans on January 8 1815. It was a fig-leaf, but a good one for emerging national self-confidence.

The two sides never fought again, despite some hairy moments during the American civil war (there was a UK pro-slavery lobby) and (shipping issues again) in the first world war. The balance of economic and military power remorselessly swung America's way until, in the dark days of 1940-41, Britain embraced its own subordination.

It is a tribute to the myth-making power of selective memory - that, besides the odd uneasy joke by PM David Cameron, few in the Anglo-American family refer to the scandal of 1812 that almost led to divorce.


respice ; adspice ; prospice ...


Also see : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812 .

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[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

The Point Is : Canada Remained An Independent Country (sort of, lol) & ...

  • Canada 2050 = Austria 1938 = "Anschluss" !!!

verb. sat. sap. ...


[-] 5 points by rayolite (461) 10 years ago

The same year British military corporations instituted the corporation of the united states of America as repayment for the loans and install of the military industrial complex that won the war.

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . . corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed." -- U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864 (letter to Col. William F. Elkins)

[-] -2 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

"Independent" of The U$A - I meant !!

pax et lux ...


[-] -2 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

As it thaws out, I fear Canada will increasingly be seen as "Lebensraum" !!

timeo et caveat ...


[-] -2 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

Good Point !!! Well Made !! Tho' I still fear for the future of an "Independent" Canada !

ad iudicium ...


[-] -3 points by funkytown (-374) 10 years ago

Canada will soon welcome invasion; healthcare spending, administered by the provinces, is now some 46% of the budget; in Ontario, their most populated province, it is expected to reach 80% by 2030 (The Economist).

[-] 2 points by Karlin (350) from Nelson, BC 10 years ago

As a Canuck, I love to point out that we deliver health care to every Canadian who needs it, at a lower cost per patient than the USA's private system... One reason for that lower cost is that we eliminated the profit factor that private health care requires. Everybody knows that America's health care is the most expensive in the world, and many Americans are not covered at all.

PS - I doubt Ontario's health care will ever eat up 80% of the provincial government budget.

[-] -2 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

"The Economist ?!" LOLOL !! THE 0.01% House Magazine and Neo-Liberal Wank Mag sans pareil, you mean ! You need help IF you are quoting or referencing that Bilderberg House Journal here ...

way too funny for Latin ...

[-] -3 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

You Imperialist you, lol !!! Do I think "that Canada is that vulnerable to invasion" ?!! Frankly, 30-50 years from now, if not "invasion" then absorption and assimilation - yes, as 'Fortress North America'' results from the shrinkage of the current status quo of The US Empire Abroad !

multum in parvo ...


[-] -2 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

Consider : The Two Are Inextricably Linked, so both and further :

NATO And The US - Protectors of Global Corporate Capitalism :

NATO and the US with all their bases are the protectors of global corporate capitalism, they are the protectors of The World Bank - that's the agenda & those are the oppressors. The US and NATO as protectors of global capital, a structure of inequality maintained by global capital and military empire worldwide & a repression that addresses us all.

cave - bellum se ipsum alet ...


[-] -2 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

I'm gonna roll a fat one & reflect further - I seem to have much to mull over today !!

ne quid nimis ...


[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

@ 'ZD', re. below : Extremely Funny !!!

too giggly for Latin ...

[-] 1 points by poof (-10) 10 years ago

Off topic.

[-] 2 points by Renneye (3874) 10 years ago

Not off topic. Shows tremendous examples of how government lies to its people and how the education system and MSM are complicit in those lies. It is a lesson to us to think for ourselves as a people void of government 'facts' and search for the truth from "real" reporters and alternate media. To broaden our perspective to a global realm and think in terms of the globalists' agendas for wars.

If we look globally it is easier to see why these things happen. When the masses look at MSM news at a war torn middle-east...it doesn't make sense to them, and their reaction is "they're just a bunch of religious nuts...I don't get it...let them kill each other off". Its seriously that bad! If they were to look at the situation from a global perspective...they would see the global meddling, and understand the anger and frustration of the people in the middle-east. Not to mention the propaganda of those governments perpetrating this malice. Suddenly events make sense.

When outside governments and globalists enlist mercenaries, arm them, and place them strategically to cause mayhem....coupled with non-reporting of those facts by a complicit MSM to masses with busy lives, its the perfect storm for lies to go down in the history books and believed as fact.

This has been going on for millenias. Anyone worth their salt as an activist, reporter, would know this.

[-] 0 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 10 years ago

Well put.

[-] -2 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

I rather appreciate that stalwart defence & to further your excellent point about the Middle East :

As a wee aside, "activists (&) reporters" can't know everything a priori but MUST be open to new info.

SOLIDARITY @ The Global 99%

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 1 points by Renneye (3874) 10 years ago

Any time! Its easy when the facts...your facts, are there.

Ohhh gosh....I wonder what the news situation is in the middle-east. I don't know enough about their news providers over there, except for Al Jazeera. I don't think those poor souls have a clue how manipulated they are.

Thanks for the links! I'm hearing rumblings of Lebanon being next, if you can believe it! I think that was also one of the countries that General Wesley Clark testified to being on the list of targeted countries, as known years ago.


There was also the matter of 'his poofiness' who was simultaneously speaking at length on another thread about the speed of light. Talk about off topic!

[-] 0 points by funkytown (-374) 10 years ago

"Joshua Penny" was one of those impressed; it took him eleven years to free himself to return. In 1813, he sold everything he owned to commission two turtle-type torpedo boats, built in NYC, in an attempt to blow their Man of Wars from Long Island waters. He was subsequently arrested and confined aboard a prisoner ship at Halifax (he was one of those whose release we negotiated for). The family also later engaged directly; in a three day skirmish they inflicted some 37 causalities as ships attempted to put in at their "Pennys Landing."

[-] -2 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

"Canada : Selling Its Soul to America", : by Stephen Lendman :

Caveat Canada ...