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Forum Post: some links to article i wrote that I think might be useful to the movement

Posted 9 years ago on Oct. 8, 2011, 10:01 p.m. EST by maikeru333 (15) from Ottawa, ON
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Hi, I wasn't sure how I could help, I've been having some discussions on the fb occupy ottawa group, and I thought some of the comments there might be useful to others to share about the movement. I was also involved at one point in a 'shared community space' group that was sort of about... how linking groups together into a functioning community could change the world... it got a bit spiritual, but in the end I was rewriting it for pine gate zen's fall newsletter, so that was kind of ok. I have another that was a personal... allegorical tale, that was supposed to illustrate my spiritual journey/ lessons learned, fairly loosely based on real events, people and encounters, etc. for a course called Lifesong with Barclay McMillan.

Ok I'll jump to the posts:

"on the arguement that violence is necessary to make change, because non-violence cannot do so" http://inner5pac3.blogspot.com/2011/10/on-arguement-that-violence-is-necessary.html

"The bias of disempowering people because someone else thinks that person is 'privileged'" http://inner5pac3.blogspot.com/2011/10/bias-of-disempowering-people-because.html

oh this is a youtube playlist with some short punchy clips (the first few, anyways) that I called 'conspiracy awakening' because I thought it showed some basic... important things pretty quickly... http://inner5pac3.blogspot.com/2011/09/conspiracy-awakening.html

here is the shared spaces article, I actually put a bit more time into this one, it is a little bit more polished up http://inner5pac3.blogspot.com/2011/09/shared-space-article-about-747-words.html

this is the allegory about personal spiritual growth. be gentle if you decide to comment, I do bleed. http://inner5pac3.blogspot.com/2011/10/lifesong-assignment-3-allegorical.html


You guys are awesome, keep it up!

MIchael Goguen



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[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 9 years ago

I haven't read any of your links yet, I have to shut it down soon but I'll try to read them tomorrow. In the meantime I have a link that gives some insight into the effectiveness of non-violent revolution that you may like to read. It's a bit wordy but i found it extremely interesting since I'm sort of new to these things. http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/02/16/revolution_u?page=full

[-] 0 points by maikeru333 (15) from Ottawa, ON 9 years ago

thx! I will try to check out your link, later!

I am trying to put all the links I like in one place, and put like headers of what they are about with them, so say people on here can find their way through the spam more easily, I encourage you to do something similar, like bookmark one of your posts, and repost all your comments to that one thread, too! If you do, I would love to see this, too, and more of your links! :) <3

[-] 1 points by maikeru333 (15) from Ottawa, ON 9 years ago


another post of mine on here about how trusting police can be 'complicated', and even those who have not had horror stories, should beware that institutions that resist corruption become a target for corruption by those criminals, in order to subvert that energy, etc... think aikido, blending with the energy, then turning it back against them... both sides sometimes do this...

[-] 1 points by maikeru333 (15) from Ottawa, ON 9 years ago

on the movement being subverted by some different elements... tea party example was elsewhere... sorry it's thanksgiving here in Canada, i don't think i have time to search and find all the relevant links right now...


[-] 1 points by maikeru333 (15) from Ottawa, ON 9 years ago

http://yacy.net/en/index.html en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YaCy

this stuff might be interesting in how to break certain kinds of 'filter bubbles' and blockades.

[-] 1 points by maikeru333 (15) from Ottawa, ON 9 years ago

here is a systems science type link that might be instructive in terms of how to formulate ... what is wrong, and how to fix it...


[-] 1 points by maikeru333 (15) from Ottawa, ON 9 years ago

cough tyranny of structurelessness link: http://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm

[-] 1 points by maikeru333 (15) from Ottawa, ON 9 years ago

Oh, here's a good article from an activist from Toronto on some issues they were having with have real fairness and representation etc in their occupy the toronto stock exchange group: http://megantron.blogspot.com/2011/10/no-consensus-on-occupy-toronto.html

This other article is an oldie but a goodie called 'the tyranny of structurelessness', which is sort of on the same topic, had a sort of clique can end up running things, when people are not open and transparent about things, not because of secret conspiracies, but simply because it is people's nature to usually support their own peers etc first, and when these dynamics are not made explicit, they can operate without people being mindfully aware of them, consciously seeing the effect it has, and being able to make people accountable, and the group to adapt to problems in invisibile structures.

ikonique.net and joindiaspora DOT org - some sites about alternative ways to do internet and computing... the first is about having a personal server, which on the one hand may allow identity theft to happen more easily, but on the other can add a layer of security and... some other things to computing... the second is a social network that is going to be interoperable with the major ones right now, but lets you... control from your own end, what you will share, or not... kind of the opposite of the personal server... it kind of makes your own computer the personal server for hosting stuff.

hope this helps.

[-] 1 points by maikeru333 (15) from Ottawa, ON 9 years ago

Here are some other links that I think might be useful to the 'occupy' movement...

This one is a wikipedia entry on 'kohlberg's moral stages', which suggests that people and societies, as they grow, begin to become more able to have deeper understandings of morality, but that it generally must pass through stages, and that you can't really skip stages... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg%27s_stages_of_moral_development

This one is more well known, maslow's hierarchy of needs... its good for prioritizing needs, and seeing where is left to go once you've achieved your basic needs and stuff. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs

This is a link about what happened in iceland, and how they sort of solved their financial crisis, to some extent, which interestingly, is also not getting very much media coverage: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/01/1001662/-Icelands-On-going-Revolution If you look, you may be able to find other stuff on this, too... the guy who made 'money masters' and 'the secret of oz' documentaries has a youtube channel and is constantly updating things on the behind the scenes of what is going on in economic circles/ reform, etc. There are others doing this too, but thought I would mention him.

this one is on... problems with the internet being controlled, and shut down, that some people had concerns about (and ways they were thinking of getting around this): http://chronicle.com/article/College-20-Fear-of/129049/

[-] 1 points by maikeru333 (15) from Ottawa, ON 9 years ago

"on the arguement that violence is necessary to make change, because non-violence cannot do so" that one is basically disagreeing with the idea of 'diversity of tactics', or saying anyone can use whatever violence they want, whenever they want, really... I guess the way i phrased the title, that might not be clear...

[-] 0 points by maikeru333 (15) from Ottawa, ON 8 years ago


"It's over for the banking cabal. 4.jul.2012" title

basically it says libor is being manipulated, which is the rate banks lend to each other, to affect their credit ratings etc... and it looks likely that it is not one bank but lots (all?!!!)

Maybe we will see some of the same kind of reforms they've had in iceland, arresting banker's and rewriting their constitution...


[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Another example of corpoRAT abuse - interest - why the fuck does it need to be high? No reason - that is just how the greedy want it.

[-] 0 points by maikeru333 (15) from Ottawa, ON 9 years ago

here is some discussion on ron paul, which i summarized in a blog post.

i've said it before, but the summary of the article is essentially nobody's perfect, we all have bias, we shouldn't ignore truth just because we dislike things about a person, especially when we recognize some of those things as truth. Perhaps as a caveat to this, however, just because someone is speaking some truth, doesn't mean they would make a suitable leader/ president, or that all of their words are sincere, that they will actually carry out their values etc if they do believe in them, if they are in fact able to do so amidst the constraints other forces may have on them (ie move h2o with paul gross)


http://occupywallst.org/forum/baby-is-covered-in-poop-the-baby-is-not-poop-dont-/ http://occupywallst.org/forum/some-links-to-article-i-wrote-that-i-think-might-b/

[-] 0 points by maikeru333 (15) from Ottawa, ON 9 years ago

thrive documentary - synthesis of a great deal of info about the shift




if you get overwhelmed with stuff you think is too 'sci-fi' (part 1) or 'conspiracy theory' (part 2), you can probably jump to 1:48:00 time index to see where it starts with solutions.

this should be streaming i think. It is quite the watch... and haven't gone all the way through it yet, but there is lots of really cool stuff so far...

some keywords that one might find linked to this topic that i have seen before i will mention briefly below

fluxthruster marko rodin

pattern in number reginald brooks

meru.org hebrew alphabet sacred geometry

gurdjieff ennagram

naqsh i sarmoun

buckminster fuller synergetics

lynne mctaggart - the field


maybe others could add more...

[-] 0 points by maikeru333 (15) from Ottawa, ON 9 years ago

http://inner5pac3.blogspot.com/2011/12/news-how-to-deal-with-armies-of-paid.html and from here again, also listed below: http://occupywallst.org/forum/on-fixing-the-forum-in-terms-of-trolls-etc/

" Two scientists at the Canadian University of Victoria investigated the problem of the “paid armies” of fake commenters in China. They created software that was 85-percent successful at weeding them out:

http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/27357/?p1=blogs "

[-] 0 points by maikeru333 (15) from Ottawa, ON 9 years ago


Awesome video I love for occupy wall street... punches well above its weight

(for a short video)


love is the revolution -

err sorry its 'occupy wall street - the revolution is love'


[-] 0 points by maikeru333 (15) from Ottawa, ON 9 years ago


Mike Nikerson talks about economics and ecology at Occupy Ottawa... I haven't watched the video yet, but I was there for most of it... it was quite good. 35min for the full video, a shorter version is available as well.


[-] 0 points by maikeru333 (15) from Ottawa, ON 9 years ago

this link is on the problems with war; posting this since remembrance day is near... personally, i want to wear a white poppy, maybe share more for other people, if possible... I will add that to this post too, maybe...


[-] 0 points by maikeru333 (15) from Ottawa, ON 9 years ago

mike ruppert, addressing police ordered to crack down on non-violent occupy protesters violently, as a former police officer. 20 min. pretty good. http://youtu.be/sUKeZLeGTDk

[-] 0 points by maikeru333 (15) from Ottawa, ON 9 years ago

http://inner5pac3.blogspot.com/2011/10/something-great-from-occupy-ottawa.html http://occupywallst.org/forum/something-great-from-an-occupy-ottawa-person-plea-/

something great from an occupy ottawa person: Plea from an Occupant

This is on how to keep the movement from falling apart mostly, and how we can all work together, etc.

Big Love to Charlotte Tigerlily Quorra for this. <3

[-] 0 points by maikeru333 (15) from Ottawa, ON 9 years ago


some links on how some good things sometimes get subverted, when they pose a real threat to power, etc...

[-] 0 points by maikeru333 (15) from Ottawa, ON 9 years ago

blatant bumping


[-] 0 points by maikeru333 (15) from Ottawa, ON 9 years ago


msm guy burns US gov as being corrupt, says only way to make changes is to take money out of politics...

second is how gaddafi of LIbya had already done this... and THAT was part of why he was such a threat... the idea of a PEOPLE'S GOV'T ... so the man is dead... but can you kill the idea?

faith, hope, love.

[-] 0 points by maikeru333 (15) from Ottawa, ON 9 years ago

read me! :)

[-] 0 points by maikeru333 (15) from Ottawa, ON 9 years ago

http://occupywallst.org/forum/more-on-the-roots-of-violence-and-dis-ease-in-soci/ more on the roots of violence, and 'dis-ease' in society

[-] 0 points by maikeru333 (15) from Ottawa, ON 9 years ago
[-] 0 points by maikeru333 (15) from Ottawa, ON 9 years ago


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