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Forum Post: Rs have enough money to buy everything. What's next?

Posted 8 years ago on June 12, 2012, 9:22 p.m. EST by bensdad (8977)
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[-] 4 points by elf3 (4203) 8 years ago

DIEBOLD (largest ATM company - so banks are their largest customer) and makers of voting machines? - can anyone say conflict of interest ?

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 8 years ago

DIEBOLD president was a big supporter of shrub

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Bernie for President - I could get behind that - just need to get him support in the rest of government.

bensdad said 3 minutes ago at June 13, 2012, 11:50 p.m. EST (delete)

I love Bernie - I wish I could vote for him for president Why not post this to the forum? A somewhat cruder version = Alan Grayson

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4203) 8 years ago

yep they loved shrub twice over - I forgot to mention logo's on the moon - Goodnight MacDonalds, Goodnight, Monsanto, Goodnight Walmart

[-] 3 points by factsrfun (8277) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

kill the public sector unions so there is NO money to oppose them, people seem to have bought it in WI, but wither they buy it or not this is money, this is real power, so getting the people to agree doesn't matter if you have all the power

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 8 years ago

Fuck Mitt Romney. It's been said that whoever has the most money wins the election. It's hard to believe there is someone with the potential to be worse than Bush.

In 2008 Obama raised more than anyone else. The problem of money in politics go both ways. The Media and Money is what convinced Democrat Americans in the primaries to support a pro-war politician that voted for the Patriot Act instead of the guy that tried to impeach Bush.

I read an article a while back that said people base 80% of their decision in who to vote for on what they see on television.

M&M's! Money and Media: ruining democracy more and more as times goes by!

I really hope people wise up by 2016. Primaries are so important.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Moon mining colonies? Nah - they'll kill us with pollution before that happens.

Never Mind.

[-] 1 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 8 years ago

In reference to the above political cartoon, might I offer the below videos that are NOT funny...at all.

Rachel Maddow BLASTS Florida Voter Purge led by Rick Scott


Voting Fraud by Government Officials Caught on Tape


[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 8 years ago

I agree - this is NOT funny
it is a disgusting assault on America
I confess, I post these cartoons because between
the Rs
the trolls
the dont-vote fools

we desperately need some comic relief

I love Rachel - she should be required viewing.

[-] 1 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 8 years ago

The TRUTH should always be required viewing. There are those like her and Bill Maher and Young Turks who are trying to get the truth out there, but they have limited media access. I so much wish this could get a wide audience on the MSM.

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2480) from Fredericksburg, TX 8 years ago

Is the cost of advertising in the overhead or a separate expense, like citizens united bribes to politicians? Oh well. That's all part of the cost of doing business.

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[-] 1 points by amrivera (1) 8 years ago

What if we could have a Law that any Corporation or Person that has 25% or more of their Profits, Employees or Assets outside of the USA can not participate in the electoral process of the USA (Local, State or Federal). Until maybe a ten year grace period.
No Donations, No endorsements, No Campaigning and No Lobbing. etc. A citizen is 100% in the USA a Corporation should be 75% in the USA to be a person. America for Americans Law. Too many conflicts of interest. Just a thought.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 8 years ago

An interesting Idea but changing the constitution is a very big job
Why not get on board with an amendment that

Because of the Supreme Court's Citizens United decision,
we cannot accomplish anything significant,
without FIRST ending corporate personhood.
Because 80% of Americans already agree on it - we don’t have to explain or persuade people to accept our position – we only have to persuade them to ACT based on their own position. Pursuing this goal will prove to the world that we, at OWS, are a serious realistic Movement, with serious realistic goals.
Achieving this goal will make virtually every other goal –
jobs, taxes, infrastructure, Medicare – much easier to achieve –
by disarming our greatest enemy – GREED.
I feel that using the tactics of the NRA, the AARP an the TP – who all represent a minority – who have successfully used their voting power to achieve their minority goals - plus the Prohibition Amendment tactics – bringing all sides together - is a straight path for us to success

Our current project is developing and implementing,
a voting bloc petition to create voter support for candidates throughout the country.
We want to vote for candidates who pledge to support a Constitutional Amendment that includes:

Overturning the 2010 Citizens United Supreme Court decision which enabled the flood of secret money that is drowning our political system,
Overturning the 1976 Buckley Supreme Court decision which equates money and speech,
Eradicating the corporate personhood rights invented in the courts that
have enabled corporations to buy our democracy,
Supports campaign finance reform to level the playing field for all candidates.

The People For the American Way found 74% of Americans
want to vote for candidates who support an amendment.

Koch and the tea party and ALEC have ..the money –
….and the government –
……and they use them.

We have
..the people -
….and the vote -
……and we must use them!

Join the our NYC
Corporations are not People and Money is not Speech Working Group
………….( even if you are not near NYC )

http://corporationsarenotpeople.webuda.com NO SIGNUP www.nycga.net/groups/restore-democracy

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[-] 1 points by writerconsidered123 (344) 8 years ago

voter fraud is redicules, politicians don't have enough money to bribe voters to vote their way and generally even eligible voters don't have the time or inclination to vote. if there was so much fraud we would have about 80%-90% turn out. but we don't even come close to that.

as far as the ID thing is concerned techinically you could say it's overburdonsom, but it at least shuts up the republicans


[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

Identification should be necessary

the poll worker should verify a voter by unique indicators

[-] 1 points by writerconsidered123 (344) 8 years ago

like how many nose rings someone has? lol seriously I agree I just don't think it's an election changer one way or other. And practically speaking how many people really don't have an ID in this country? like 1% of the population

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

I just don't need excuses for rigging elections

[-] 0 points by salta (-1104) 8 years ago

the dead voting, illegals voting, multiple voting, ,....all are fraud.

[-] -1 points by writerconsidered123 (344) 8 years ago

hey don't take away a dead persons right to vote we fought long and hard to achieve civil rights for the dead

[-] -2 points by salta (-1104) 8 years ago

not only are the dead voting, they're still collecting S.S. checks.

[-] 0 points by writerconsidered123 (344) 8 years ago

I know but none of these issues is enough to turn a single election

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

perhaps an excuse for rigged results ?

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 8 years ago

Killing us.



[-] 0 points by 2percent (0) 8 years ago

OK, since it is totally unreasonable to ask for an ID because t is a huge conspiracy to undermine mostly dem's right to vote.Tell me how we can prevent voter fraud by anyone? I know it never happens, but just pretend it has occurred and no one has been documenting the cases. The current DOJ has a little bit more on their plate this time around.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 8 years ago

In 5-Year Effort, Scant Evidence of Voter Fraud in Bush "Witch" Hunt By ERIC LIPTON and IAN URBINA Published: April 12, 2007

WASHINGTON, April 11 — Five years after the Bush administration began a crackdown on voter fraud, the Justice Department has turned up virtually no evidence of any organized effort to skew federal elections, according to court records and interviews. Although Republican activists have repeatedly said fraud is so widespread that it has corrupted the political process and, possibly, cost the party election victories, in the e ntire country, about 86 have been convicted from 2001-2006.
Many of those charged by the Justice Department appear to have mistakenly filled out registration forms or misunderstood eligibility rules, a review of court records and interviews with prosecutors and defense lawyers show.
In Miami, an assistant United States attorney said many cases there involved what were apparently mistakes by immigrants, not fraud. In Wisconsin, where prosecutors have lost almost twice as many cases as they won, charges were brought against voters who filled out more than one registration form and felons seemingly unaware that they were barred from voting. One ex-convict was so unfamiliar with the rules that he provided his prison-issued identification card, stamped “Offender,” when he registered just before voting.
A handful of convictions involved people who voted twice. More than 30 were linked to small vote-buying schemes in which candidates generally in sheriff’s or judge’s races paid voters for their support. A federal panel, the Election Assistance Commission, reported last year that the pervasiveness of fraud was debatable. That conclusion played down findings of the consultants who said there was little evidence of it across the country, according to a review of the original report by The New York Times that was reported on Wednesday.
Mistakes and lapses in enforcing voting and registration rules routinely occur in elections, allowing thousands of ineligible voters to go to the polls. But the federal cases provide little evidence of widespread, organized fraud, prosecutors and election law experts said.
“There was nothing that we uncovered that suggested some sort of concerted effort to tilt the election,” Richard G. Frohling, an assistant United States attorney in Milwaukee, said.
Richard L. Hasen, an expert in election law at the Loyola Law School, agreed, saying: “If they found a single case of a conspiracy to affect the outcome of a Congressional election or a statewide election, that would be significant. But what we see is isolated, small-scale activities that often have not shown any kind of criminal intent.”

For some convicted people, the consequences have been significant. Kimberly Prude, 43, has been jailed in Milwaukee for more than a year after being convicted of voting while on probation, an offense that she attributes to confusion over eligibility.
In Pakistan, Usman Ali is trying to rebuild his life after being deported from Florida, his legal home of more than a decade, for improperly filling out a voter-registration card while renewing his driver’s license.
In Alaska, Rogelio Mejorada-Lopez, a Mexican who legally lives in the United States, may soon face a similar fate, because he voted even though he was not eligible.
The push to prosecute voter fraud figured in the removals last year of at least two United States attorneys whom Republican politicians or party officials had criticized for failing to pursue cases.
The campaign has roiled the Justice Department in other ways, as career lawyers clashed with a political appointee over protecting voters’ rights, and several specialists in election law were installed as top prosecutors.
Department officials defend their record. “The Department of Justice is not attempting to make a statement about the scale of the problem,” a spokesman, Bryan Sierra, said. “But we are obligated to investigate allegations when they come to our attention and prosecute when appropriate.”
Officials at the department say that the volume of complaints has not increased since 2002, but that it is pursuing them more aggressively.

Previously, charges were generally brought just against conspiracies to corrupt the election process, not against individual offenders, Craig Donsanto, head of the elections crimes branch, told a panel investigating voter fraud last year. For deterrence, Mr. Donsanto said, Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales authorized prosecutors to pursue criminal charges against individuals.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago

The real fraud is voting for two bought out parties

[-] 5 points by VQkag2 (16478) 8 years ago

The left/progressives have been beaten down for the last 30 years by right wing religious fundamentalist. We must recreate a left wing. Preferably from the ground up. But do not let the right wing wackos grab more power and influence in our govt. VOTE out the right wing wackos!

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago


There are no prayers in school, the 10 commandments are no longer on the court steps, church attendance is down, and Roe Vs Wade is still there.

What progress has the religious nuts made over the years? I dont support them on many issues, but it seems to be they are losing the battle.

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 8 years ago

"you don't support them"? But you were pretty quick to spew their talkin points/agenda. You ain't kiddin' me.! And BTW, 10 commandments are at my court house in Brooklyn! And all over the country. Nobody complains. So your wrong. We have churches using public schools in nyc city every week no problem. The progress they have made is taking the republican party over since 1979 when Jerry Falwell formed the moral majority. Where you been. I guess you wanna play it down cause you support them huh? It's ok your allowed. But they seem to hate gays, women, minorities and jews, catholics, mormons and others. They draw a lot of lines. That is at the center of right wing ideology. You see? It is about hatefulness, greedy selfishness! this is what defines the right and the opposite defines the miniscule left. Love, inclusiveness, generosity, selflessness that would be left/liberal/progressive. That is what the dems have lost. We have a left in Bernie Sanders maybe, and some 3rd parties perhaps but it is miniscule. We must rebuild from the ground of preferably, but by any means necessary! Are you with us? Do you support the 99%? Do you support OWS?

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago

Your level of understanding is typical of mainstream america, but not OWS.

Yes, I know their talking points. And I know the other sides talking points too. Man, you do a number on dialogue. What I am saying is that this country is not MORE religious than it was 30 years ago. Obviously. REgardless of the headlines and the political dialogue, they are losing.

I should be the one asking you if you are with "us", not the other way around.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 8 years ago

Maybe you should be, but you are wrapped up with insulting me! Every post includes some statement about how I don't understand, or I am fooled by the msm. Or I ain't with OWS. Forget about me. And address the issues. Are you saying that you are with OWS? HA! I would have to believe that OWS is about attacking the messenger and not addressing the message. That ain't OWS! That is right wing tactics. I'm tryin to help you see how you can refine your efforts so as to better hide your true intentions. If you want people to believe you are OWS. You gotta stop acting like a right wing attack dog. Cool?

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago

Oh man, you just keep getting better and better.

Those who know, know. Those who dont, should prob stay away from GA's because their media programmed world may crumple around them.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 8 years ago

FASCISM? Fascism is the right of the right wing. No? Do you understand the basics of the political spectrum? I agree fascism is at the center of our problems. I agree banks are also at the center. They are both implementing right wing policies. You have to understand the underpinnings of the political spectrum to see the enemy and solve the problems. Good luck.

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago

Fasism is the merging of government with multinationals.

The right wants NO gov involvement.

The left wants Regulations on the multinationals.

Fascism wants Gov help for the multinationals and regulations only on the small guys, the big ones go unchecked.

You arent at a level to have this conversation, good bye, and thank you for reminding me this morning why our country is in such a mess. Later, Jeremy

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 8 years ago

I'm not at your level? your so much smarter. I'm not worthy? Well genius guess what? Fascism is the far right, communism is the far left. That ain't gonna change no matter what you pretend. And who F%$K is Jeremy? is that some other veiled childish insult?

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago

Not everything is in a r vs l paradigm dude.....


[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 8 years ago

No? What ain't? Is that some twisted joke? What issue doesn't have a clearly different approach between left and right? Name one! I dare you. I double dare you! You can't.!

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago

Free Trade. Tax Loopholes. Offshoring jobs. Offshoring profits. Let the Fed do whatever they want. Dont prosecute any bankers. Bomb other countries. Occupy the planet. Remove our freedoms. Give themselves raises. Take money from corrupted organizations.

I could go on and on.

Only a freakin fool looks at the above and wastes time trying to figure which methods each side uses to screw us.

Anyone with half a brain takes a step back and realizes "Holy SHIT, we are getting screwed!!"

Go take your vitamins and read a book.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 8 years ago

Hostility and insults!. You use the schoolyard bullying tactics of your candidate Romney.

Your list is valid if the question was "what issue doesn't have a clearly different approach between dems and repubs?" You are correct the Dems have voted for all these issues, against their left wing principals! The dems have repeatedly betrayed the left wing. The dems have moved right for 30 years. The dems have lost their backbone when confronting the right wing policies you listed. The dems have failed in this way mainly because the people of the left have been asleep. We have allowed the dems to seek out 1% money to win elections, instead of leaning on protesting people. We are to blame. But the approach of the left on everything you listed is vastly different than the right. OWS would support a left wing approach. The 99% certainly do not support your list of right wing policies and the right wing approach that dems took when they voted for them. Ok? We agree?

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago

And there we go!!!!

You're a freakin poli sci idiot!!

Fully indoctrinated into l vs r everything.

Thats why you cannot understand that some things are neither right nor left. They trained you to think like that. I was right.

No wonder......

[-] 3 points by PeterKropotkin (1050) from Oakland, CA 8 years ago

I couldn't send you a message back because I sent that out to too many people. Please spread that to every social media outlet you can facebook twitter what ever get the word out

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 8 years ago

What issue is approached the same way by the left and right. It's a simple question you can't answer because you are blowing smoke. Left and right exists! For you to say otherwise is just nonsense.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago

^ too dumb to fail.

If you think that communism is a brach of the left, and that fascism is a conservative policy, then you are hopeless......

I understand the media has gotten you to this point of thinking like this, but you need to take about 50 steps back and take another look.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 8 years ago

So you won't cite an issue that the right and left have the same approach? Cause you can't. Instead you're are gonna insult me again.? I am hopeless? main stream media brainwashed am i? Well I learned about the political spectrum in poli sci 101. I've learn it from history. I suppose you think fascism is left wing?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

communism is government ownership

fascism is Romans for Roman rule

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago

Then how the hell do you expain Clinton and both sides repealing Glass STeagall and sitting idle while credit default swaps were created and approved by the SEC by JP Morgan?


Its not a right OR a left thing you mental midget. Damn, this country needs to wake the hell up.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 8 years ago

The left has disappeared in America. The dems have moved right for 30 years! I've been telling you this repeatedly. You choose to ignore it because you want to perpetrate some lie that I love the dems. Clinton betrayed the left and signed the right wings repeal of glass steagle because the dems have moved right, and have lost their backbone when confronting the right. The dems saw the corp money and a sleeping left wing (recently awoken with OWS) and betrayed the left. The dems are more corrupt because they betrayed their left wing principles. I expect the right to suck the 1% corp D%$K. OK? that's how it happened! both parties are corrupt one is more to blame because they betrayed their left wing roots. So it is a left right thing. the repeal of glass steagle was right wing policy signed by dems who betrayed their left wing principles.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago

And Im trying to tell you that a GOVERNMENT (right doesnt like gov) partnering with multinational companies and destroying free market principles isnt a conservative platform!!

You are truly hopeless, you cannot remove yourself from the l vs r nonsense that plagues the masses. You cannot accept that possibly somehting besides l vs r has been going on for 30 years. It is impossible for you to think that way. And unfortunately, you are not alone by a long shot.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 8 years ago

The right loves govt. They love an expensive military, the left does not, the love tax loopholes for corps, the left does not, the right loves using govt to help their 1% friends. You don't know what your talkin about! And your defense of the right shows your true agenda.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago

You need to be able to differentiate between parties and voters when we are refering to the right or the left.

The voters on each side never get what they want.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 8 years ago

ok! Repub party proudly trumpets right wing policies that benefit the 1%. The Dems have moved right for 30 years, the dems have lost their backbone when confronted by the repub right wing policies. The left has been abandoned by the dems. The problem that the 99% face is that the right has been ascendent and the left has disappeared. We need to resuscitate the left. from the ground up or by by co opting the dems again.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago

Keep typing, you just keep showing your shallow views, your r vs l obsession, thus making it obvious to newcomers that you have no clue what this thing was when it started.

You have the right to say whatever you want, I just wish you go and speak at GA's like that so could see the rest hinting to shut up and get moving.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 8 years ago

You support the right by saying they don't love govt. That is wrong, and shows your partisanship. I agitate to repeal the policies that hurt the 99%.

I won't mention politicians, I won't mention parties, I won't tell you how to vote! I say agitate on the streets for these issues if you believe in them.

repeal citizens united/corp personhood, support stronger fin reform, support healthcare public option, increase wealthy taxes, lower middle class taxes, Forgive middle class cr card/student debt. repeal patriot act/ndaa. support unions/living wage/worker ownership of corps. reward onshoring, penalize offshoring of jobs/assets/hq's. Take a stand, or stand aside.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 8 years ago

"media programmed world" ? what is that? Just more insults. c'mon, you can do better. but you haven't disagreed with my assessment. Should I accept that as agreement.? Support OWS. Vote out right wing wacko politicians (repub and dem)

[-] -2 points by shadzhairart (-357) 8 years ago

You're an idiot!

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 8 years ago

But your the one who can't find his big boy words. LMFAO! childish insults, and schoolyard bullying tactics are the way of your candidate Romney. Intimidation doesn't work on line! You cannot create the fear of physical pain! You have to be a special kind of stupid to resort to that. Yet you call me the idiot. LMFAO! turn away from the dark side (right) it only leads to fear, fear leads to anger, anger leads to suffering! ;)

[+] -5 points by shadzhairart (-357) 8 years ago

You're such an idiot. I'm further left than you. I'm an anarchist. I don't believe in government. You're just another government lover apologizing for the corruption of the Democrats and defending yourself by claiming those who criticize you for it are right wingers. So stupid.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 8 years ago

but your the one who can't discuss without insults. I have acknowledged the dems biggest problem is there right wing turn. You can't stomach that I have accurately identified the problem as the right wing. Thats what makes you a right winger. Not that you criticize me! I am irrelevant. The right wing is the problem. (Repub or Dem). I don't think you are anarchist. You don't recognize the right wing culpability, sounds like you are the apologist.

[-] -2 points by shadzhairart (-357) 8 years ago

but your the one who can't discuss without insults

I don't feel there is anything worthy of discussing. I'm just not a government lover like you. I already told you my position. I'm not going to change it for a Democrat plant.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 8 years ago

I don't love the gov. That is you twisting my words because you can't say the truth. The truth is that I blame the right. You can't say the truth because you love the right.

[-] 1 points by shadzhairart (-357) 8 years ago

Get out of your house and be active on the street. You spend too much time on your computer!

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago
[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 8 years ago

I'll do what I want. You are just trying to silence me because you can't stand the truth. You misrepresent my beliefs of blaming the right because you can't handle the truth.! You insult and use schoolyard bullying tactics because your arguments are vacant. I say you support the right! You support the 1%. You can't respond intelligently, or civilly because you know it's true. I got your number. Please

[-] 0 points by shadzhairart (-357) 8 years ago

Nope, I don't love the right. I hate all politicians in US because they are all corrupted. Bush did horrible unspeakable things, and Obama is about to sign some papers making big businesses even more powerful. We don't need these crooks. We can build a better world for ourselves.

Instead of talking about these people all the time, you should use your energy to start building! Why wait for your favorite candidates to do what you can do today! They won't even do it because they are corrupted!!!

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago




[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 8 years ago

Do what?. What policies should we include in our new govt.? Lets NOT talk about the 2 corrupt parties. Just the issues. What issues will we address? with what policies?



[-] -1 points by FreeSarsak (4) 8 years ago

How many times are you going to post this "These four men REQUIRE that you vote for Obama" crap, "bensdad"?


Obama sold his soul to become a puppet of Wall Street and the War Machine. With a gun to my mother's head I would not vote for Obama (or Romney). But if such gun was fired, I would dedicate my life to getting payback from sellouts and Charlatans like YOU, one square inch of flesh at a time. Get it yet? Or want to wait for the results of his next drone attack on innocent civilians painted as "militants"?

[-] -1 points by foreeverLeft (-264) 8 years ago

Yeah, I doubt the unions will cough 500 million for Dems like they did in 08!

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 8 years ago

They cannot - the crapitalists -
led by grover & charlie & david & scott they have eviscerated union membership

[-] -1 points by foreeverLeft (-264) 8 years ago

Yes, freedom of choice is a terrible thing, it was better when we could make people turn over the cash.

[-] -3 points by 2percent (0) 8 years ago

Is asking for an ID voter surpression? What percentage of people do not have an ID? Most states offer free identification at government offices. I can't pass airport security, rent a car, go to an R rated movie, buy a lighter, buy cigs, drive a car, etc. Voter surpression?

[-] 7 points by DoubleVoice (115) 8 years ago

Purchasing ANYTHING in order to vote is a "poll tax" and is unconstitutional, no matter how reasonable you think it is.

Even if the ID is free, the transportation to apply for the ID will have to be free, or the mailing of an application for the ID will have to be free, AND the government will have to go out of its way to make sure that every citizen (yes, .01% that don't have cable or internet) is aware of this process. So far none of these voter ID bills have put any spending towards helping people get the IDs that they would need to vote, ergo the bills amount to nothing more than unconstitutional poll taxes.

[+] -4 points by Growup5 (-84) 8 years ago

Really? How about being responsible for getting yourself to a polling station. If you have to lift even one finger yourself, it's a polling tax. What bullshit.

What's hilarious is the little things like the Democrat convention in MA, a place where every liberal is against IDs, required an ID for admission. So, you need an ID to be part of selecting the candidate, but just not to vote for one. LOL.

Hopefully, your voters don't have something important to do on the way home from voting, like RENTING A MOVIE. They'll want an ID. LOL.

Get better ideas and you won't have to depend on people that can't even manage an ID.

[-] 5 points by DoubleVoice (115) 8 years ago

None of the things that you mention are protected by the Constitution.

[+] -4 points by Growup5 (-84) 8 years ago

No, but they help illustrate just how stupid the left is being about this one.

Is having to get yourself to a polling station a poll tax? It makes about as much sense.

[-] 4 points by DoubleVoice (115) 8 years ago

The right are the stupid ones, trying to take away Constitutional rights from old ladies because they're jealous of some Mexicans that do a better job than they do. Yeah, keep blaming your failure on everything BUT your own personal shortcomings.

The fact is, if you were actually skilled and worked hard you may still have your job. Get a skill or stop complaining about Mexicans who have a better work ethic that you will EVER have.

This is not even an issue. There are infinitely better ways to curtail illegal immigration than this. There are better ways to rat out voter fraud than this. I can get a fake ID in a day if I really wanted to and asked a few people. The only people that won't be able to vote will be those old ladies that apparently conservatives don't care about. Because we all know that conservatives don't care about people in general if they aren't perfect little white, male, Christians, right?

[-] 5 points by votasaurus (62) 8 years ago

Voter fraud retires shameless GOP official

A lot of Republicans complain about voter fraud. Indiana Secretary of State Charlie White actually committed it

"It’s OK if you’re a Republican. Even if you commit voter fraud. Even if you are found guilty of three felony counts of voter fraud by a jury of your peers. Even if you are found guilty of six felony counts overall. Even if you are the secretary of state – the chief election official – of the first state in the union to institute polling place photo ID restrictions which Republicans claim are meant to prevent voter fraud but actually succeed only in keeping longtime voters (like 80- and 90-year-old nuns) from being able to cast their previously legal votes."

"INDIANA'S GOP SECRETARY OF STATE GUILTY OF THREE COUNTS OF FELONY VOTER FRAUD Controversy over replacement of state's chief election official kicks off; Epidemic of high-profile GOP voter fraud continues...

The chief election official in the very first state in the nation to implement polling place Photo ID restrictions --- under the guise of preventing "voter fraud" --- has been found guilty of three counts of felony voter fraud today.

In an early morning verdict following 12 hours of deliberation, a jury in Hamilton County found Indiana's Republican Secretary of State Charlie White guilty of three counts of voter fraud related to having voted in a precinct where he did not live and where he was illegally registered to vote. The Hoosier State's controversial first-in-the-nation Photo ID restrictions, originally implemented in 2008, did nothing to prevent either White's illegal registration or his unlawful vote for himself as Secretary of State in 2010 when he was elected to office.

Of the seven criminal felony counts White had been charged with in March of 2011, the jury also found him guilty of three other Class D felonies related to perjury and theft, while clearing him of one Class C felony for fraud on a financial institution. "


[-] 4 points by DoubleVoice (115) 8 years ago

Wow.... Republicans are a bunch of hypocrites!

[-] -1 points by Growup5 (-84) 8 years ago

That's very compassionate of you towards low-skill Americans. Bury them in an over-supply of drop-outs that blow the bottom off of low-end wages. But not to worry, liberals will try to price fix the labor market and make people pay above what supply and demand indicates. LOL.

I have a high degree of skill. I've been to grad school and make what most people would think is a lot of money. I've been unemployed for 3 weeks in 22 years and I don't even really need to work at this point. But just because I'm OK doesn't mean that I'll pulverize other Americans just so I can get my lawn cut for $15. Close the border and watch wages for low income Americans move higher. How horrible that would be, right?

Get an ID. You might need to do something important on the way home like rent a movie. LOL.

[-] 2 points by DoubleVoice (115) 8 years ago

You are the one who hates low-skill Americans, since you are against a living wage and you want to cut public education out of society. You also hate Mexicans because you want to close the Mexico border when people have the fortitude to escape the hell that is going on down there.

Yet you fail to mention Canada's border which is twice the size of the Mexican one and extremely easy to cross. Ergo, you are racist as well.

[-] 0 points by Growup5 (-84) 8 years ago

I'm for a living wage. I just have the education to know that tightening the labor market is what will bring it about, not flooding the market with more supply, passing laws that fail, singing Kumbaya, and then congratulating yourselves because you mean well.

Get ready, the next idea is really complicated. It isn't the length of the border, it's what comes over the border that affects our labor market. And, see, what comes over the Canadian border is both better educated and vastly lower in numbers than what we get from Mexico. Yeah, I didn't believe it at first either. LOL. Are you really this stupid?

[-] 0 points by DoubleVoice (115) 8 years ago

Now you are using stereotypes to "claim" that one group of people is smarter than another.

Prove that Canadians (ALL Canadians) are smarter than Mexicans.

[-] 0 points by Growup5 (-84) 8 years ago

I think that pretty much answers my question: Yes, you are that stupid.

Heh, but I'll be looking out for those stories about masses of drop-out Canadians heading south. LOL.

[-] 1 points by DoubleVoice (115) 8 years ago

Just own up to your racism. Stop being a coward and show us your "white hood" you fucking racist scum.

I dare you to say what you have been posting to a Mexican in real life. If you said anything like this near me, you would be dead. Period.

[-] -1 points by Growup5 (-84) 8 years ago

Just a cheap smear that gets tossed around in lieu of thinking. You answered my question a second time with a "yes", you are that stupid.

Mexico has been a huge source of uneducated, no-skill immigration for the United States, not Canada. The U.S. now has a large surplus of no-skill labor and that's pressuring wages for no-skill Americans. Curbing this major source of supply would offer a shot for no-skill wages to rise. Sure, pure racism, that's what it is. LOL.

Because some Mexican might beat me up really doesn't change the facts.

[-] 1 points by DoubleVoice (115) 8 years ago

You are a racist. You hate Mexicans because they work faster and harder than you, AND they aren't greedy like so many Americans when it comes to wages.

Its is YOUR fault, and ONLY your fault if you are losing your job to a Mexican. Get some skills or go back to school. Otherwise you are always going to lose to the harder-working Mexicans, because you are a dumb lazy American!

[-] 5 points by VQkag2 (16478) 8 years ago

State ID's cost money. Enough to make it difficult for the poor (left leaning) to manage.! The process of getting a state id is cumbersome enough to discourage the elderly/disabled (left leaning). It is clear the right is trying to suppress left leaning voters. Why do we need an ID? We haven't needed in the past. This ain't the racist South African government from the 80's. The fallacy that it is an effort to prevent unproven future fraud is dishonest. They are trying to disenfranchise left leaning voters. Support OWS. Vote out vote suppressing, ALEC supporting politicians!


[+] -4 points by salta (-1104) 8 years ago

states are willing to provide photo IDs for free. you assume that all elderly and idsabled are going to vote dem, how ridiculous. when dead people and illiegals "vote " as they do in chicago and florida, photo id's are necessary. 58,000 cases of voter fraud in florida alone.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 8 years ago

Please. no fraud in Florida but the stolen election in 2000. Repubs are desperate to suppress dem votes. They are attempting it in many states.

[+] -8 points by salta (-1104) 8 years ago

the election was not " stolen" recount after recount, bush won. even the far left ny times said so.

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

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[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Good video - great one to share out - circulate.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (4633) 29 minutes ago

Re. "the far left ny times" - LOLOLOL !!!

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[+] -5 points by salta (-1104) 8 years ago

the ny times is just an another media arm of the obama administration.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 years ago

And what "media arm" do you believe is being employed by the (R)epelican'ts?

[+] -5 points by salta (-1104) 8 years ago

You seem to think you have the answer, so you tell me.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 years ago

I didn't make the claim. You did.

So why don't you confess?

I have no idea where you come up with your cockamamie claims.

You're the only one who does know.

[+] -5 points by salta (-1104) 8 years ago

you asked a question to which you're sure you know the answer to.

[-] 4 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 years ago

I'm afraid I don't.

That's why I asked you.

You just find it very difficult to answer.

That's strange, because you claim to do a great deal of research, yet you're unable to answer where.

Strange indeed..

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 years ago

I didn't realize that was a site frequented by salta, or "right" wingers in general.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Good cover for those who would hide in plain sight. False flag and spew poison.

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 8 years ago

I don't believe that crap. His brother was gov!. Right wing wackos stormed the recount. Bush went to the right wing scotus, and they delivered the presidency to him by stopping the recount.

[+] -4 points by salta (-1104) 8 years ago

there were many recounts. the govenor of a state does not certify election results, the atty general does that.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 8 years ago

Oh! the atty general! That bush gov bro appointed!

[+] -4 points by salta (-1104) 8 years ago

do you know about the soros funded "Secretaries of State Project" ( a 527 org) it was set up to make sure all sec. of state and/or atty generals are dems. the liberals call it " election protection".

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 8 years ago

Oh my. What can we do.? The evil liberals are coming to give us Social security, health care, and college grants. Run hide your children.

[+] -4 points by salta (-1104) 8 years ago

they're not " giving "you anything. the over taxed taxpaying citizens fund it.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 8 years ago

Tax the wealthy up the %ss.! They stole our money! We want it back.! Are you wealthy?

[+] -5 points by salta (-1104) 8 years ago

the US govt is giving , GIVING, "free "cell phones with pre paid minutes to people on medicare and other govt programs. billion of $ for this. look at your phone bill , You and anyone with a cell phone that you pay for on your own is paying for this. the universal benefits charge on your bill goes to this. another backdoor tax . No, i am not wealthy, or rich.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 8 years ago

Then you are advocating FOR the 1% and against your own interests. Seems kinda foolish. I guess the 1% got you hook line and sinker

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

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[-] 1 points by salta (-104) 25 minutes ago

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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

BS - show the proof. I have not gotten a free phone or service.

[-] 0 points by salta (-1104) 8 years ago
[-] -3 points by salta (-1104) 8 years ago

do you receive medicare? if so call the gov and you can get a free govt phone with 250 free minutes. i saw the commercial for it last night. go ahead and check it out. Its the TRUTH www.freegovernmentcellphones.net

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

Conservatives seek to conserve civilization

Liberals seek to expand civilization

Socialists seek to help people

Libertarians seek to help themselves

[+] -5 points by salta (-1104) 8 years ago

you get that from the daily worker?

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

made up

I didn't want to be left in vague political terms so I set it right

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 8 years ago

The constitution does not mention
"pass airport security, rent a car, go to an R rated movie, buy a lighter, buy cigs, drive a car, etc."
voting is a constitutional right
Its not a matter of the percentage that don't have voter id
its a matter of the percentage of people who used fake id to vote
and WHO does not have ID
the young the poor and the elderly - all who tend to vote D

if you don't understand whats going on, here's your homework to report back
one of the first things gwb did was establish a group to look for voter fraud

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8277) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

oh oh oh me me me, ok I'll wait for 2%er but I don't think the answer is coming from there

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 8 years ago

In 1938, Kenosha, Wisconsin-born Orson Welles stoked widespread confusion and panic when he broadcast mock news reports of an extraterrestrial invasion, with his famous radio adaptation of H.G. Wells' The War of the Worlds convincing some listeners that Martians were attacking the earth. In 2012, another Kenosha native, Republican National Committee Chair Reince Priebus, is promoting similar confusion by attacking the integrity of Wisconsin's elections and stoking fears of "voter fraud" in advance of Tuesday's recall election. Does Wisconsin really have a history of "voter fraud," or are Priebus and other Republicans following in the footsteps of Welles and pulling a massive hoax?

With polls suggesting that Tuesday's recall election will be extremely close, Republican leaders and right-wing media outlets are claiming "voter fraud" is rampant in Wisconsin elections, apparently to cast doubt on a potential victory by Walker's Democratic challenger Tom Barrett in Tuesday's election.

On May 30, Priebus alleged rampant voter fraud and claimed Republican candidates "need to do a point or two better than where we think we need to be, to overcome it." Governor Walker made a nearly identical claim weeks earlier, telling the Weekly Standard that fraudulent votes account for "one or two points" in Wisconsin elections. For Priebus and Walker to be correct about fraud equaling "one or two points" in recent elections -- where 3 million people cast ballots -- there would need to have been between 30,000 and 60,000 fraudulent ballots.

"I'm always concerned about voter fraud," Priebus said. "I think it's been documented."

Actually, it has not.

In-depth investigations into election fraud in Wisconsin's 2004 and 2008 elections revealed that election fraud occurs at a rate of less than one-thousandths of a percent. Only 7 people were convicted of election fraud in 2004 and only 20 were charged in 2008. GOP Election Investigation in 2008 Shows Just Two Cases of Double-Voting

In 2008, Wisconsin's Republican Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen (the state co-chair of GOP presidential candidate John McCain's campaign) established an election fraud task force with Milwaukee's Democrat District Attorney John Chisholm. The task force soon expanded its focus beyond Milwaukee to investigate allegations of fraud in twelve Wisconsin counties. After an extended investigation, only 20 people were charged.

The majority of those charges did not involve "voter fraud" -- defined by the Brennan Center for Justice as a person casting a ballot "despite knowing that they are ineligible to vote, in an attempt to defraud the election system" -- but instead involved felons on parole or probation who said they did not know they were still prohibited from voting. Felon voting constitutes "election fraud" under Wisconsin statutes, but does not meet the more precise definition of "voter fraud."

Only two individuals were charged in 2008 with committing the kind of in-person "voter fraud" that stricter identification requirements might prevent. Six people were charged with voter registration misconduct. 2004 Report Embraced by Right-Wing; Mostly Identified Clerical Errors

A variety of irregularities in the 2004 elections led to media accounts suggesting widespread fraud. In February of 2008, the Milwaukee Police Department released a report on that election "with what appears to be a painstaking investigation of the facts," according to the Brennan Center for Justice, but including "policy recommendations offered with less care and disavowed by the Milwaukee Police Chief."

A Special Investigations Unit of the Milwaukee Police Department apparently authored the report without authorization, and though most observers believe the report's factual findings were thorough, the policy recommendations and statutory analysis went beyond the pay grade of the police officers who drafted it. "We're not the Department of Making Policy Recommendations," said Milwaukee's police chief at the time. "That's where this thing got out of control." The Milwaukee Police Department endorsed Walker for governor in 2010 and again in 2012.

war of the worldsRepublicans across the country embraced the unauthorized report and its uninformed policy recommendations, with the Wall Street Journal's John Fund claiming that "Milwaukee police uncovered a problem, but politicians chose to ignore it."

But the Brennan Center's review of the report "showed that much of what had originally been identified as potential fraud was in fact due to clerical error."

According to the Brennan Center's analysis, there were allegedly 8,300 more ballots cast in Milwaukee than individuals processed, but the discrepancy was later attributed to administrative error. Of the 37,180 people in Milwaukee who were originally reported to have voted from invalid addresses, 31,500 actually just had problems with an apartment number. In other cases, data entry errors turned perfectly valid addresses into invalid ones. The rest of the allegedly invalid addresses were thrown out for lack of proof -- and in any case, voters would have had to show proof of residency in order to cast ballots.

A computer glitch in Milwaukee caused at least 314 voters to be listed twice on the rolls, and around 59 people were alleged to have voted twice -- but it turns out that most registered twice but voted only once. All the supposedly "dead voters" voted early with absentee ballots but died within two weeks of the election. One ballot was cast in the name of an individual who did not vote, but further investigation showed this was the result of error by a poll worker.

One vote was cast by a 17-year-old. Four individuals allegedly submitted false voter registration applications, and three were convicted. Like the 2008 investigation, most of the "election fraud" in 2004 involved voting by felons and resulted in just 7 convictions.

The most questionable election activities in 2004 involved employees of a 527 Political Action Committee who were campaigning in Wisconsin, but did not live there during the rest of the year, casting votes in Wisconsin because they met the residency requirement in place at the time. There is no evidence the campaign staffers voted twice.The authors of this report called this an "illegal organized attempt" at skewing election outcomes, but prosecutors did not pursue those particular cases because the campaign staffers met the statutory standard for residency.

The Brennan Center analysis identified a fraud rate of only .0002 percent in the 2004 elections, and none of the improper voting allegations would have been prevented by requiring photo ID at the polls. Kenosha Pushes Back On Native Son

In his May 30 statement allegation that voter fraud accounts for "a point or two" in Wisconsin elections, Priebus also noted that "I'm always concerned about voter fraud, you know, being from Kenosha, and quite frankly having lived through seeing some of it happen."

Priebus' hometown newspaper, the Kenosha News, pushed back on this claim. The newspaper's editorial board wrote:

If Priebus has knowledge of voter fraud here, he should point to some evidence. Assistant District Attorney Richard Ginkowski has been following elections here and investigating complaints for 30 years. He doesn't know what Priebus is talking about. The county clerk, Mary Schuch-Krebs, doesn't know what Priebus is talking about. Face it. The voter fraud in Kenosha that Priebus is referring to does not exist.

Noting that "[Orson] Welles actually referred to Kenosha as the 'nasty little town' where he was born," the Kenosha News wrote "It looks like Reince Priebus has joined the Welles faction" in disparaging his hometown. Given the role of both Welles and Priebus in perpetuating myths and unfounded fears -- about an alien invasion and the spectre of voter fraud, respectively -- the two share more than just anti-Kenosha sentiments.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8277) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

Given that elections today should be about creating jobs, isn’t it a form of voter fraud anytime someone who hasn’t hired anybody lately votes? I sort of speak to this here, it is shameless promotion, like sitting in a bank lobby but different.


[-] 0 points by friendlyopposition (574) 8 years ago

Is it unconstitutional to require people to register to vote? You do get a voter registration card in the mail, after all. I say you require people to present their voter registration card when you vote. How hard would that be?

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 8 years ago

I dont have a voter registration card and I have voted for 47 years
what is wrong with using the process that has been in place for decades? how many people voted illegally in 2010?

[-] -1 points by friendlyopposition (574) 8 years ago

You have to prove who you are when you register, and you were given (or mailed) a voter registration card 47 years ago. But, since the card has no real value - many people have cast them aside. If it is required to show your voter registration card to vote - why is it assumed that more poor people than rich people will have lost them.

We don't know how many people voted illegally since all you have to do is walk up and give a name. It seems to me that we would want to be more careful with the most important right that we have. Unfortunately, this mentality is also going to prevent us from moving forward with our election process, and using technology to increase voter participation.

[-] 3 points by BetsyRoss2 (125) 8 years ago

There are other ways to prevent double voting that don't require unconstiutional measures to implement. Biometrics would work. So would a PIN/password system. Or how about having a voter registration provided to every American at birth instead of making them go through a registration process when they turn 18? We KNOW the person born in America is an American, so why not skip the extra step?

[-] 1 points by friendlyopposition (574) 8 years ago

I'm sold on it.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8277) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

Since everybody is lined up there anyway, wouldn't it be a good place to check and see if anybody has an outstanding warrant too?