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Posted 2 years ago on June 14, 2012, 5:37 p.m. EST by bensdad (8977)
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Across That Bridge, Again

By Amy Goodman

As the election season heats up, an increasing number of states are working to limit the number of people who are allowed to vote. Already we have a shamefully low percentage of those eligible to vote actually participating. Florida, a key swing state, is preparing for the Republican National Convention, five days of pomp promoted as a celebration of democracy. While throwing this party, Florida Republican Gov. Rick Scott, along with his secretary of state, Ken Detzner, are systematically throwing people off the voter rolls, based on flawed, outdated Florida state databases.

Many eligible Florida voters recently received a letter saying they were removed and had limited time to prove their citizenship. Hundreds of cases emerged where people with long-standing U.S. citizenship were being purged. According to the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida, “of those singled out to prove their citizenship, 61 percent are Hispanic when only 14 percent of registered Florida voters are Hispanic,” suggesting an attempt to purge Latinos, who tend to vote Democratic. Recall the year 2000, when then-Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris systematically purged African-Americans from voter rolls. The U.S. Justice Department has ordered Detzner to stop the purge, but he and Gov. Scott promise to continue. The Justice Department has sued the state in federal court, as have the ACLU and other groups.

For Georgia Congressman John Lewis, efforts to limit access to vote are not just bureaucratic. “It is unreal, it is unbelievable, that at this time in our history, 40 years after the Voting Rights Act was signed and passed into law, that we’re trying to go backward. I think there is a systematic, deliberate attack on the part of so many of these states, not just Florida, but it’s all across the country. ... Some people were beaten, shot and murdered trying to help people become registered voters. I can never forget the three civil-rights workers that were murdered in the state of Mississippi on the night of June 21, 1964,” he said, recalling the murder of James Chaney, Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner, killed while registering African-Americans to vote.

Back in 1961, Lewis, just 21 years old, was a leader of the Freedom Rides, testing new federal laws banning segregation in interstate travel. He and many others were severely beaten when their buses crossed state lines into the Deep South. He sat down at segregated lunch counters, and joined the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, soon rising to chair the organization. He told me about a pivotal moment in his life, and this nation’s history, the march over the Edmund Pettus Bridge:

“On March 7, 1965, a group of us tried to march from Selma to Montgomery, Alabama, to dramatize to the nation that people wanted to vote. One young African-American man had been shot and killed a few days earlier, in an adjoining county, called Perry County. Because of what happened to him we made a decision to march. In Selma, Alabama, in 1965, only 2.1 percent of blacks of voting age were registered to vote. The only place you could attempt to register was to go down to the courthouse, you had to pass a so-called literacy test.”

As Lewis and scores of others tried to cross the Pettus Bridge in Selma, at the beginning of their 50-mile march to Montgomery, Lewis recalled, “we got to the top of the bridge, we saw a sea of blue, Alabama state troopers, and we continued to walk, we came within hearing distance of the state troopers. One said, ‘I’m Major John Cloud of the Alabama State Troopers, this is an unlawful march, it will not be allowed to continue, I give you three minutes to disperse, return to your church.’ ... You saw these guys putting on their gas masks, they came toward us beating us with nightsticks and bullwhips and trampling us with horses. I was hit in the head by a state trooper with a nightstick. I had a concussion at the bridge. My legs went out from under me. I felt like I was going to die. I thought I saw death.”

When I asked Lewis what propelled him forward in the face of such violence, he said, “My mother, my father, my grandparents, my uncle and aunts, people all around me had never registered to vote.” Universal suffrage, the right to vote, is never safe, never secure, never complete. This election season will be one where money from a few will have enormous influence, while the votes of many are being eliminated, their voices effectively silenced.

Unless people fight to dramatically expand voter participation, not just prevent the purges, our democracy is in serious danger.

This article was published at NationofChange at:

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[-] 5 points by votasaurus (62) 2 years ago

Lets organize a MARCH for voting rights... A protest against 1% stooge Rick Scott.

Down with Scott! There is NO TOLERANCE for taking away our rights! I'll fight for my rights until my last breath!

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago
[-] -2 points by salta (-1104) 2 years ago

are you a legal citizen? are you registered to vote? if so, who is preventing you from voting?

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

I'm a 97 year old twice divorced woman in Florida. I voted for the last 40 years under my current name & address in Florida but I do not have my birth certificate or my divorce papers. I am registered, but Mr. Scott is preventing me from voting. [ just one possible example ]

[-] -1 points by salta (-1104) 2 years ago

you can get a copy of both your birth certificate and your divorce decree.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

not always
why not say that if you have registered voted for at least five vears, you can only be removed as a voter by judicial process.



Rampant Voter Fraud in Wisconsin
or
"The Martians Are Coming?"
or
“The Liars are Here”

In 1938, Kenosha, Wisconsin-born Orson Welles stoked widespread confusion and panic when he broadcast mock news reports of an extraterrestrial invasion, with his famous radio adaptation of H.G. Wells' The War of the Worlds convincing some listeners that Martians were attacking the earth.
In 2012, another Kenosha native, Republican National Committee Chair Reince Priebus, is promoting similar confusion by attacking the integrity of Wisconsin's elections and stoking fears of "voter fraud" in advance of Tuesday's recall election. Does Wisconsin really have a history of "voter fraud," or are Priebus and other Republicans following in the footsteps of Welles and pulling a massive hoax?

With polls suggesting that Tuesday's recall election will be extremely close, Republican leaders and right-wing media outlets are claiming "voter fraud" is rampant in Wisconsin elections, apparently to cast doubt on a potential victory by Walker's Democratic challenger Tom Barrett in Tuesday's election.

On May 30, Priebus alleged rampant voter fraud and claimed Republican candidates "need to do a point or two better than where we think we need to be, to overcome it." Governor Walker made a nearly identical claim weeks earlier, telling the Weekly Standard that fraudulent votes account for "one or two points" in Wisconsin elections. For Priebus and Walker to be correct about fraud equaling "one or two points" in recent elections -- where 3 million people cast ballots -- there would need to have been between 30,000 and 60,000 fraudulent ballots.

"I'm always concerned about voter fraud," Priebus said. "I think it's been documented." Actually, it has not.

In-depth investigations into election fraud in Wisconsin's 2004 and 2008 elections revealed that election fraud occurs at a rate of less than one-thousandths of a percent. Only 7 people were convicted of election fraud in 2004

GOP Election Investigation in 2008 Shows only 2 Cases of Double-Voting
In 2008, Wisconsin's Republican Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen (the state co-chair of GOP presidential candidate John McCain's campaign) established an election fraud task force with Milwaukee's Democratic District Attorney John Chisholm. The task force soon expanded its focus beyond Milwaukee to investigate allegations of fraud in twelve Wisconsin counties.

The majority of the handful charged did not involve "voter fraud" -- defined by the Brennan Center for Justice as a person casting a ballot "despite knowing that they are ineligible to vote, in an attempt to defraud the election system" -- but instead involved felons on parole or probation who said they did not know they were still prohibited from voting. Felon voting constitutes "election fraud" under Wisconsin statutes, but does not meet the more precise definition of "voter fraud."

Only two individuals were charged in 2008 with committing the kind of in-person "voter fraud" that stricter identification requirements might prevent. Six people were charged with voter registration misconduct.

2004 Police Report Embraced by Right-Wing; Mostly Identified Clerical Errors . A variety of irregularities in the 2004 elections led to media accounts suggesting widespread fraud. In February of 2008, the Milwaukee Police Department released a report on that election "with what appears to be a painstaking investigation of the facts," according to the Brennan Center for Justice, but including "policy recommendations offered with less care and disavowed by the Milwaukee Police Chief."

War of the worlds Republicans across the country embraced the unauthorized report and its uninformed policy recommendations, with the Wall Street Journal's John Fund claiming that "Milwaukee police uncovered a problem, but politicians chose to ignore it." But the Brennan Center's review of the report "showed that much of what had originally been identified as potential fraud was in fact due to clerical error."

According to the Brennan Center's analysis, there were allegedly 8,300 more ballots cast in Milwaukee than individuals processed, but the discrepancy was later attributed to administrative error. Of the 37,180 people in Milwaukee who were originally reported to have voted from invalid addresses, 31,500 actually just had problems with an apartment number. In other cases, data entry errors turned perfectly valid addresses into invalid ones. The rest of the allegedly invalid addresses were thrown out for lack of proof -- and in any case, voters would have had to show proof of residency in order to cast ballots.

A computer glitch in Milwaukee caused at least 314 voters to be listed twice on the rolls, and around 59 people were alleged to have voted twice -- but it turns out that most registered twice but voted only once.
All the supposedly "dead voters" voted early with absentee ballots but died within two weeks of the election.
One ballot was cast in the name of an individual who did not vote, but further investigation showed this was the result of error by a poll worker.

One vote was cast by a 17-year-old. Four individuals allegedly submitted false voter registration applications, and three were convicted. Like the 2008 investigation, most of the "election fraud" in 2004 involved voting by felons and resulted in just 7 convictions.

The Brennan Center analysis identified a
fraud rate of only .0002 percent in the 2004 elections, and none of the improper voting allegations would have been prevented by requiring photo ID at the polls.

Kenosha Pushes Back On Native Son In his May 30 statement allegation that voter fraud accounts for "a point or two" in Wisconsin elections, Priebus also noted that "I'm always concerned about voter fraud, you know, being from Kenosha, and quite frankly having lived through seeing some of it happen." Priebus' hometown newspaper, the Kenosha News, showed this to be a lie. The newspaper's editorial board wrote: If Priebus has knowledge of voter fraud here, he should point to some evidence. Assistant District Attorney Richard Ginkowski has been following elections here and investigating complaints for 30 years. He doesn't know what Priebus is talking about. The county clerk, Mary Schuch-Krebs, doesn't know what Priebus is talking about. Face it. The voter fraud in Kenosha that Priebus is referring to does not exist. It is a lie.

Noting that "[Orson] Welles actually referred to Kenosha as the 'nasty little town' where he was born," the Kenosha News wrote "It looks like Reince Priebus has joined the Welles faction" in disparaging his hometown. Given the role of both Welles and Priebus in perpetuating myths and unfounded fears -- about an alien invasion and the spectre of voter fraud, respectively -- the two share more than just anti-Kenosha sentiments.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22358) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Short answer - in Florida vote prevention/suppression/rejection practiced by = Gov. Scott

[-] -3 points by salta (-1104) 2 years ago

why do you think that non citizens have a right to vote? why do you think its o.k for dead people to vote? why do you think its o.k for people to vote in more than one state? why do you think its o.k for a person to vote more than once in a single election?

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Right wing vote supressing extremists are desperate to cut down potential democratic voters. As a result they have "made up" alligations of fraud as a false pretext to attempt to keep dems from voting and steal an election. Smart people know that is the case. Glad the feds are acting to support the American peoples right to vote. Florida is one of those old time racists southern states who are still under fed oversight of election law because of past efforts to keep black people from voting.

[-] -2 points by salta (-1104) 2 years ago

voter fraud is real and it happens. thats why holder is against a photo I.D.

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

It is a dishonest effort to keep dems from voting. The repubs are scared S%$t because they know minorities and other dem voting groups are growing while repub voters, (old white men) are rapidly dying off. Just a matter of time now sucka. They are desperate and flailing about. LMFAO they know there days are numbered.

[-] -2 points by salta (-1104) 2 years ago

a photo I.D. is for all voters.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

The era of extreme right wing wacko, southern religious fundamentalist is almost done. No more will they subjugate, exploit and prey on the 99%. These efforts at suppressing dem votes is temporary. Your days are numbered. make peace with whatever god you believe in.

[-] -2 points by salta (-1104) 2 years ago

Photo I.D. for ALL voters. put down your crack pipe.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

mandatory voting for all eligible citizens. That will get the 1% plutocrats out of power. That is what they fear the most. Imagine 90% turnout.! Man they couldn't suppress enough votes then. They couldn't stuff enough ballet boxes then. Not enough hanging chads to change the results of that massive vote.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

(R)epelican'ts commit voter fraud!!

http://www.salon.com/2012/02/27/vote_fraud_retires_shameless_gop_official/

They like that sort of thing, but only when they do it.......:)

[-] -2 points by camams (7) 2 years ago

Also I heard the libtards were openly crying when the good citizens of Wisconsin dropped that hammer to keep Gov Walker. Americans have awoken and are tired of the union filth and also tired of the cry baby libtards

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Lots of (R)epelican't voter fraud.

http://www.politicususa.com/tape-republican-breaking-voting.html

In fact, the Florida (R)epelican't purge is a fraud.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22358) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

If that were the case - that those were votes that were being rejected - Why(?) oh Why(?) would the fed tell him to stop purging votes ?

[-] -1 points by salta (-1104) 2 years ago

you doj is suing arizona for doing the job of the federal govt regarding illegals, in case you didnt know, holder & co are corrupt. holder , the same guy that engineered pardons for the members of FALN( a terrorist group) and mark rich( huge tax evader) at the end clintons term.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22358) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

This change of subject has - What ? - to do with voter suppression in Florida?

[-] -3 points by salta (-1104) 2 years ago

it has to do with the corruption of the doj.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22358) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

As I understand Arizona - talking to some Arizonan's - I believe that Sheriff Joe is running wild. So you might want to reconsider your stance. Take a look at the news out of Arizona - and no not MSM as that is not news anymore.

[-] -2 points by salta (-1104) 2 years ago

holder and the doj are corrupt.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22358) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

The DOJ needs a swift kick in the ass and that is no lie - There should be all kinds of criminals from wallstreet being prosecuted and they are not - hence the birth of Occupy nation wide and world wide - society is failing as it has stopped working for the people.

[-] -3 points by salta (-1104) 2 years ago

ows did not just happen , ows has been carefully orchestrated by lasn and adbusters, with enormous financial help from soros.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22358) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

And yet we do our own thing and while the powers that be don't talk about us they are using our terminology.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

What makes you think they are?

Heritage Foundation?

FLAKESnews?

Rush?

[-] -3 points by salta (-1104) 2 years ago

you type and type and type but cant do a search

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I just did.

That's why I know you trash talkin'.

The last major voter fraud was actually done by a (R)epelican't, in Indiana or Illinois.

At least he was booted from office.

[-] -3 points by salta (-1104) 2 years ago

you must have missed the franken election. he was losing and the only votes that conveniently kept being " found " were for franken.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Sounds like a conspiracy theory.

I did provide links, that you made no comment on.

a Stare Senator here in Michigan just got nailed for fraud too.

It's the way of the (R)epelican't ever since that "I am not a crook" guy.

He was and they still are. So much more so than all the rest.

[-] 3 points by OccNoVi (415) 2 years ago

The very worst of it with Mitt Romney is that he is encouraged by corporate media to use Team Lying as a campaign tool.

Here's an example of an egregious slander perpetrated by Romney and his crew of liars:

Bishop Jean-Félix-Albert-Marie Vilnet.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/slandering-bishop-jean-felix-albert-marie-vilnet-f/

Romney drove aggressively and slammed head-on into a Mercedes 180 driven by Bishop Vilnet. What has followed is nothing short of a waterfall of Romney lying. consider this:

War Is Peace. Freedom Is Slavery. Ignorance Is Strength. The 99% Are A Joke.

...and with Mitt Romney:

Lying Is Leadership.

He is worse as an unvetted nominee than Sarah Palin.

[-] 3 points by factsrfun (5953) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago
[-] 2 points by JackHall (413) 2 years ago

Elections are controlled by anti-democratic powers. It's not just a threat in Florida, but permeates the GOP. Beware, Mitt Romney has been anointed as the GOP 2012 standard bearer by the GOP hierarchy.

vote fraud

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrBLxAt63Ks&list=PLD585BEBBD16F3394&feature=view_all [right click]

American Soldiers are Waking Up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWUQ_N_vHc0&feature=related [right click]

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

They are working pretty hard at it.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/06/charts-sheldon-adelson-super-pac-money

That doesn't even include all the ALEC backed voter purges.

[-] 2 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

The primary mechanism of RATpublican stealing of elections are the voting machines and no public exit polling. We can't forget that. They are attacking democracy on all fronts.

There are strong arguments that Walker stole the recall election. http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9342

http://occupywallst.org/forum/our-bogus-voting-system-in-action-wisconsin/

[-] -2 points by slizzo (-96) 2 years ago

He stole it...with a 7 point win? Do you even have any idea how utterly absurd that is?

Laughably unhinged, the left is. Obsolescence is on the horizon, comrade. We just can't afford this nonsense any more.

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

How do we know he had a 7% win? Because the easily hackable computer software told us?

Why didn't they allow independent exit polling? What are they hiding?

Could our voting system be a big con? Ya think?

[-] -2 points by slizzo (-96) 2 years ago

Lmao! If only he lost, your faith in election software would be rock-solid.

Just how sour are those grapes?

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

Are you the best your employer can come up with? You're not very bright.

Let me repeat myself. What makes elections trustworthy is the transparency of the results. They should be automatically convincing.

It seems the progressive side wins only when the pre-election polls are overwhelming. The RATpublican side has to be too intimidated to cheat.

For example: The Truth About the 2008 Election - Proof that Obama Won by Much More than 9.5 Million Recorded Votes https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2010/10/09/truth2008election/

Winning by cheating -- the RATpublican way.

[-] -1 points by slizzo (-96) 2 years ago

Hilarious! Most adults know both parties suck, both lie,and both cheat. What's your excuse for being such a cheerleading slave to the corporate whore party A while whining hypocritically about the nearly identical corporate whore party B?

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

Are you one of the psychopathic slizard people? Ha, ha, ha, ha.

There is no democracy without a transparent, trustworthy vote. I'm sure fake democrats have benefited also from electoral fraud.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago
[-] 0 points by secnoot (-14) 2 years ago

I don't understand how making sure that only American citizens and legally entitled citizens are registered and eligible to vote is a violation of anyone's rights. I don't understand why requiring a photo ID to vote is violating anyone's ights.

Personally, I think that when the left stands against securing the American vote, they are seriously on the wrong side of the issue and it costs them support across the board.

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

Thr republiclans have been ranting about this "problem" for decades
If the lemmings took the time, or had the brains, to research this, they would know the truth.


Here is one of many


Rampant Voter Fraud in Wisconsin
or
"The Martians Are Coming?"
or
“The Liars are Here”

In 1938, Kenosha, Wisconsin-born Orson Welles stoked widespread confusion and panic when he broadcast mock news reports of an extraterrestrial invasion, with his famous radio adaptation of H.G. Wells' The War of the Worlds convincing some listeners that Martians were attacking the earth.
In 2012, another Kenosha native, Republican National Committee Chair Reince Priebus, is promoting similar confusion by attacking the integrity of Wisconsin's elections and stoking fears of "voter fraud" in advance of Tuesday's recall election. Does Wisconsin really have a history of "voter fraud," or are Priebus and other Republicans following in the footsteps of Welles and pulling a massive hoax?

With polls suggesting that Tuesday's recall election will be extremely close, Republican leaders and right-wing media outlets are claiming "voter fraud" is rampant in Wisconsin elections, apparently to cast doubt on a potential victory by Walker's Democratic challenger Tom Barrett in Tuesday's election.

On May 30, Priebus alleged rampant voter fraud and claimed Republican candidates "need to do a point or two better than where we think we need to be, to overcome it." Governor Walker made a nearly identical claim weeks earlier, telling the Weekly Standard that fraudulent votes account for "one or two points" in Wisconsin elections. For Priebus and Walker to be correct about fraud equaling "one or two points" in recent elections -- where 3 million people cast ballots -- there would need to have been between 30,000 and 60,000 fraudulent ballots.

"I'm always concerned about voter fraud," Priebus said. "I think it's been documented." Actually, it has not.

In-depth investigations into election fraud in Wisconsin's 2004 and 2008 elections revealed that election fraud occurs at a rate of less than one-thousandths of a percent. Only 7 people were convicted of election fraud in 2004

GOP Election Investigation in 2008 Shows only 2 Cases of Double-Voting
In 2008, Wisconsin's Republican Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen (the state co-chair of GOP presidential candidate John McCain's campaign) established an election fraud task force with Milwaukee's Democratic District Attorney John Chisholm. The task force soon expanded its focus beyond Milwaukee to investigate allegations of fraud in twelve Wisconsin counties.

The majority of the handful charged did not involve "voter fraud" -- defined by the Brennan Center for Justice as a person casting a ballot "despite knowing that they are ineligible to vote, in an attempt to defraud the election system" -- but instead involved felons on parole or probation who said they did not know they were still prohibited from voting. Felon voting constitutes "election fraud" under Wisconsin statutes, but does not meet the more precise definition of "voter fraud."

Only two individuals were charged in 2008 with committing the kind of in-person "voter fraud" that stricter identification requirements might prevent. Six people were charged with voter registration misconduct.

2004 Police Report Embraced by Right-Wing; Mostly Identified Clerical Errors . A variety of irregularities in the 2004 elections led to media accounts suggesting widespread fraud. In February of 2008, the Milwaukee Police Department released a report on that election "with what appears to be a painstaking investigation of the facts," according to the Brennan Center for Justice, but including "policy recommendations offered with less care and disavowed by the Milwaukee Police Chief."

War of the worlds Republicans across the country embraced the unauthorized report and its uninformed policy recommendations, with the Wall Street Journal's John Fund claiming that "Milwaukee police uncovered a problem, but politicians chose to ignore it." But the Brennan Center's review of the report "showed that much of what had originally been identified as potential fraud was in fact due to clerical error."

According to the Brennan Center's analysis, there were allegedly 8,300 more ballots cast in Milwaukee than individuals processed, but the discrepancy was later attributed to administrative error. Of the 37,180 people in Milwaukee who were originally reported to have voted from invalid addresses, 31,500 actually just had problems with an apartment number. In other cases, data entry errors turned perfectly valid addresses into invalid ones. The rest of the allegedly invalid addresses were thrown out for lack of proof -- and in any case, voters would have had to show proof of residency in order to cast ballots.

A computer glitch in Milwaukee caused at least 314 voters to be listed twice on the rolls, and around 59 people were alleged to have voted twice -- but it turns out that most registered twice but voted only once.
All the supposedly "dead voters" voted early with absentee ballots but died within two weeks of the election.
One ballot was cast in the name of an individual who did not vote, but further investigation showed this was the result of error by a poll worker.

One vote was cast by a 17-year-old. Four individuals allegedly submitted false voter registration applications, and three were convicted. Like the 2008 investigation, most of the "election fraud" in 2004 involved voting by felons and resulted in just 7 convictions.

The Brennan Center analysis identified a
fraud rate of only .0002 percent in the 2004 elections, and none of the improper voting allegations would have been prevented by requiring photo ID at the polls.

Kenosha Pushes Back On Native Son In his May 30 statement allegation that voter fraud accounts for "a point or two" in Wisconsin elections, Priebus also noted that "I'm always concerned about voter fraud, you know, being from Kenosha, and quite frankly having lived through seeing some of it happen." Priebus' hometown newspaper, the Kenosha News, showed this to be a lie. The newspaper's editorial board wrote: If Priebus has knowledge of voter fraud here, he should point to some evidence. Assistant District Attorney Richard Ginkowski has been following elections here and investigating complaints for 30 years. He doesn't know what Priebus is talking about. The county clerk, Mary Schuch-Krebs, doesn't know what Priebus is talking about. Face it. The voter fraud in Kenosha that Priebus is referring to does not exist. It is a lie.

Noting that "[Orson] Welles actually referred to Kenosha as the 'nasty little town' where he was born," the Kenosha News wrote "It looks like Reince Priebus has joined the Welles faction" in disparaging his hometown. Given the role of both Welles and Priebus in perpetuating myths and unfounded fears -- about an alien invasion and the spectre of voter fraud, respectively -- the two share more than just anti-Kenosha sentiments.

[-] -3 points by secnoot (-14) 2 years ago

So, we both think the voter registrations need to be verified so that both sides can feel secure that the best effort has been made to secure the election results.

I knew that you and I would sooner or later find a issue that would bring us together. I hope you have a great weekend, the dad of ben.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

"I'm always concerned about voter fraud," Priebus said. "I think it's been documented." Actually, it has not.

In-depth investigations into election fraud in Wisconsin's 2004 and 2008 elections revealed that election fraud occurs at a rate of less than one-thousandths of a percent. Only 7 people were convicted of election fraud in 2004

GOP Election Investigation in 2008 Shows only 2 Cases of Double-Voting

[-] -2 points by secnoot (-14) 2 years ago

Perhaps if the vote was not anonymous, if you had to show a picture ID and prove who you were in order to vote, there would have been more convictions of people attempting to vote fraudulently.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

In 5-Year Effort, Scant Evidence of Voter Fraud in Bush "Witch" Hunt By ERIC LIPTON and IAN URBINA
Published: April 12, 2007

WASHINGTON, April 11 — Five years after the Bush administration began a crackdown on voter fraud, the Justice Department has turned up virtually no evidence of any organized effort to skew federal elections, according to court records and interviews. Although Republican activists have repeatedly said fraud is so widespread that it has corrupted the political process and, possibly, cost the party election victories, about 120 people have been charged and 86 convicted as of last year [2006].
Most of those charged have been Democrats, voting records show. Many of those charged by the Justice Department appear to have mistakenly filled out registration forms or misunderstood eligibility rules, a review of court records and interviews with prosecutors and defense lawyers show.
In Miami, an assistant United States attorney said many cases there involved what were apparently mistakes by immigrants, not fraud. In Wisconsin, where prosecutors have lost almost twice as many cases as they won, charges were brought against voters who filled out more than one registration form and felons seemingly unaware that they were barred from voting. One ex-convict was so unfamiliar with the rules that he provided his prison-issued identification card, stamped “Offender,” when he registered just before voting.
A handful of convictions involved people who voted twice. More than 30 were linked to small vote-buying schemes in which candidates generally in sheriff’s or judge’s races paid voters for their support. Consultants said there was little evidence of it across the country, according to a review of the original report by The New York Times that was reported on Wednesday.
Mistakes and lapses in enforcing voting and registration rules routinely occur in elections, allowing thousands of ineligible voters to go to the polls. But the federal cases provide little evidence of widespread, organized fraud, prosecutors and election law experts said.
“There was nothing that we uncovered that suggested some sort of concerted effort to tilt the election,” Richard G. Frohling, an assistant United States attorney in Milwaukee, said.
Richard L. Hasen, an expert in election law at the Loyola Law School, agreed, saying: “If they found a single case of a conspiracy to affect the outcome of a Congressional election or a statewide election, that would be significant. But what we see is isolated, small-scale activities that often have not shown any kind of criminal intent.”

For some convicted people, the consequences have been significant. Kimberly Prude, 43, has been jailed in Milwaukee for more than a year after being convicted of voting while on probation, an offense that she attributes to confusion over eligibility.
In Pakistan, Usman Ali is trying to rebuild his life after being deported from Florida, his legal home of more than a decade, for improperly filling out a voter-registration card while renewing his driver’s license.
In Alaska, Rogelio Mejorada-Lopez, a Mexican who legally lives in the United States, may soon face a similar fate, because he voted even though he was not eligible.
The push to prosecute voter fraud figured in the removals last year of at least two United States attorneys whom Republican politicians or party officials had criticized for failing to pursue cases.
The campaign has roiled the Justice Department in other ways, as career lawyers clashed with a political appointee over protecting voters’ rights, and several specialists in election law were installed as top prosecutors.
Department officials defend their record. “The Department of Justice is not attempting to make a statement about the scale of the problem,” a spokesman, Bryan Sierra, said. “But we are obligated to investigate allegations when they come to our attention and prosecute when appropriate.”
Officials at the department say that the volume of complaints has not increased since 2002, but that it is pursuing them more aggressively.

Previously, charges were generally brought just against conspiracies to corrupt the election process, not against individual offenders, Craig Donsanto, head of the elections crimes branch, told a panel investigating voter fraud last year. For deterrence, Mr. Donsanto said, Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales authorized prosecutors to pursue criminal charges against individuals.

[-] -2 points by secnoot (-14) 2 years ago

Bill Ayers is registered to vote in at least two counties in Illinois. I would bet serious money he is not the only one.

[-] 4 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

So is John Smith

[-] -3 points by secnoot (-14) 2 years ago

Bill Ayers is a radical revolutionary terrorist friend of the President.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

Bill Ayres was convicted of what terrorist act?
You should not be allowed out of your straight jacket

[-] -1 points by secnoot (-14) 2 years ago

He was part of the terrorist group Weather Underground. Just because he was not convicted doesn't make him any less of a terrorist. He and his friends plotted to blow up the Pentagon. William Ayers is an admitted terrorist and is the friend of President Obama. President Obama has a friend named William Ayers who was part of the terrorist group Weather Underground.

Do not disrespect the man who admits his involvement in terrorist acts against the United States government and police force and is very proud of his terrorist roots.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

So Ayres is a terrorist because you say he is ? He plotted to blow up the Pentagon because you say so ? How wise you must be ?
How would you define the Iran-Contra conspirators?
And anyone they knew?

[-] -1 points by secnoot (-14) 2 years ago

No, because he says he did.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

So you are part of the cabal that believes terrorists?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

transparency

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

oach

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

got recordings

[-] 0 points by secnoot (-14) 2 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJrNQBUVMvo

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/11/books/no-regrets-for-love-explosives-memoir-sorts-war-protester-talks-life-with.html?pagewanted=all

''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.'' Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970's as a fugitive in the Weather Underground...

[-] -2 points by shadzworth (-394) 2 years ago

You mean you really are THAT fucking stupid???? I thought you at least had enough brains to figure this one out on your own. Ayers has confessed a long time ago,look it up you fucking genius.

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[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

Goldman Sachs already stole this election.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

how did they do that & who did they steal it for ?

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

They stole it from the people along with many other banks and corporations financing candidates and stealing our democracy.

You should really look into who is financing the top candidates in every election. You tend to catch onto a lot of crony capitalism and corruption.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Please take your pro corporate D/R party nonsense to Craigslist.

This is OWS.

[-] 6 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

I believe in freedom of speech
do you?
I am WORKING to stop all CORPORATE money flowing into our political system
What are you doing?

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[-] -1 points by salta (-1104) 2 years ago

if you believe in freedon of speech then why are you against coporation contributions? what about private citizens that give millions to which ever party they choose to?

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

If I own stock in company X, I, as a human being, have the right to give to candidate A. But why should my investment in X force me to contribute to a different candidate decided by the corporation? Can you state the date and name of the law passed by congress that gave corprations "personhood" ?

[-] 0 points by slizzo (-96) 2 years ago

If I am a member of public sector labor union X, I, as a human being, have the right to give to candidate A. But why should my union dues in X force me to contribute to a different candidate decided by the union leadership? Can you state the date and name of the law passed by congress that gave labor unions "personhood" ?

It works both ways.

And just in case you didn't know, Citizens United had NOTHING to do with the outcome in Wisconsin, as many leftists have argued. No effect whatsoever.

[-] 4 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

How much do you know about the 17 constitutional amendments on this subject? Labor unions & corporations should NOT be allowed to contribute And most of the proposed amendments agree. I assume you know that there never has been a law passed that gave anyone but PEOPLE personhood rights. This abomination has been created by the courts.

[-] 0 points by slizzo (-96) 2 years ago

As long as one of the two can, both should be allowed to.

That said, I agree neither should.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

thank you for your sincere answer if you want to look up all of the amendments in one place
http://corporationsarenotpeople.webuda.com/

[-] -2 points by salta (-1104) 2 years ago

if you dont like the politics of a company that you invested in , sell your stock. what about members of unions that dont like the politics of their union leaders ? union leaders that use union dues to back candidates that dues paying members dont agree with.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

NEITHER should be allowed to give money to the political system Most amendments ( there are17 ) restrict all equally

[-] 2 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 2 years ago

Unions hold elections to determine policy. Corporations don't.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Union elections are about as legit as shareholder meetings. Both are bullshit.

[-] -2 points by salta (-1104) 2 years ago

corporations have stockholder meetings during which they vote and elect.

[-] 2 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 2 years ago

do they determine political policy, who the company is going to back at shareholder meetings?

[-] -2 points by salta (-1104) 2 years ago

if you dont like what you think a compnay is doing , sell your stock. what about union members whose dues are used by union leaders to back candidates that members oppose?

[-] 3 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 2 years ago

You know damn well that owning stock has nothing to do with political persuasion but everything to do with profit.

[-] -2 points by salta (-1104) 2 years ago

what have got against a company making a profit? would you start a business with they objective of failing or succeeding?

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

YES! the SOLE purpose of a company is to maximize profits within the law.
If a company contributes money to a politician so that the law is changed to allow fracking under your house THAT IS LEGAL


BUT IT IS WRONG


That is why we need a constitutional amendment to eliminate corporate bribes


Government of the people, by the rich, for the coporations........

[-] -1 points by salta (-1104) 2 years ago

how about a president with no regard for the constitution? obama , Article I sec 8 and Article II section 3?

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

You are just an anti Obama partisan. You can't be taken seriously. You don't want help for the 99%. You seem to want only to advocate for the wealthy 1% who continue to prey on your family and mine. They cannot succeed without 1/2 the 99%(right wingers like you) advocating against the 99% and for the 1%. You vote against your own interests! They have you hook line and sinker. It is traitorous.!

[+] -4 points by salta (-1104) 2 years ago

medicaid, ssi, food stamps, free govt cell phones,welfare, section 8 housing,TANF,Pell grants,WIC. wht obama did regarding ILLEGALS is unconstitutional Article I , sec8, Article II, sect 3.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

So you don't wanna help anyone huh? not the poor, sick, elderly, disabled, homeless, college kids. Women w/ children? And certainly not immigrants! Seems kinda selfish, greedy and heartless. Well if you think it's illegal then sue him. I believe an Iowa repub house member is sueing him So we will see.

[-] -3 points by salta (-1104) 2 years ago

medicaid,ssi,foodstamps, free cellphone with free minutes, section 8 housing,TANF.Pell grants,WIC, welfare.

[-] 2 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 2 years ago

Come on stay focused man... concentrate. I have nothing against a company making a profit. The issue is that company participating in the political process. As a stock holder and part owner, at the very least I and other stock holders should have a say in what manner of political pressure my company should or should not take. As of now that doesn't happen.

Decisions on political donations aren't made by the shareholders.

[-] -3 points by salta (-1104) 2 years ago

if you dont like what the company is doing, sell your stock. go to a stockholders meeting and complain.no one is forcing you to buy stock in any company .

[-] 2 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 2 years ago

Are you awake??? HELLO??? I buy a stock because of the potential financial ROI the company promises.... not because of its political leanings. Companies should be a-political. Their business isn't deciding who gets elected where. There business is in selling a product or service.

Voicing my opinion at a shareholders meeting would be pretty meaningless. Politics is never discussed. Have you ever attended a shareholders meeting?

[-] -3 points by salta (-1104) 2 years ago

you like the company for the money it makes for you but dont like the company for its political leanings. you cant have it both ways. if you want stand up for your principles, sell your stock, if you like the capital gains , sit down and shut up.

[-] -2 points by camams (7) 2 years ago

Anyone but obummer

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

so you want privatized social security, fracking, paul ryan's budget? bans on birth control, and a shut down of GM


you stand with alec & grover & david & charles

[-] 0 points by camams (7) 2 years ago

Fracking is a bunch of bull and if GM cannot make it without bailouts then it is time to close up shop. They are producing junk vehicles anyways

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

Fracking is a bunch of bull - you must be have a PhD in geology to make such a sophisticated statement.
GM producing junk - you must be have a PhD in automotive engineering


or maybe they don't take off the straight jacket often enough

[-] -2 points by FreeSarsak (4) 2 years ago

Democrat OR Republican is not the problem: Democrat AND Republican is. Lesser of 2 evils is not the solution: NEITHER is. No Bushbamney!

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

These four men REQUIRE that you vote for Obama

John Roberts +
Antonin Scalia +
Clarence Thomas +
Samuel Alito

If you don’t believe them,
…….ask Newt Gingrich or John McCain about Citizens United
OR
…….ask the family of any soldier killed in Iraq about bush v Gore

OR

Are you afraid to answer the questions -
……why do supreme court appointments make no difference ?
……why do ( roberts + alito ) = ( sotomayor + kagan ) ?
.……do you believe that President Gore would invade Iraq ?
…….do you believe that President Gore would NOT read his PDBs ?
And are you smart enough to answer these questions without
changing the subject to what you don’t like about Obama?


Just because Scalia and Thomas take koch brothers money –
you don’t have to


[-] 0 points by PeterKropotkin (1050) from Oakland, CA 2 years ago

You jackass. Didn't you get the article I sent you about the free trade deal to end all free trade deals? Thats what obama has been up to this last 3.5yrs in office. Working steadfastly to enslave us to multinational corporations

[-] -1 points by FreeSarsak (4) 2 years ago

How many times are you going to post this "These four men REQUIRE that you vote for Obama" crap, "bensdad"? Obama sold his soul to become a puppet of Wall Street and the War Machine. With a gun to my mother's head I would not vote for Obama (or Romney). But if such gun was fired, I would dedicate my life to getting payback from sellouts and Charlatans like YOU, one square inch of flesh at a time. Get it yet? Or want to wait for the results of his next drone attack on innocent civilians painted as "militants"?

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

"drone attack on innocent civilians" Pres Obama has done much to undo the right wings war mongering : This Pres has ended Bush's illegal Iraq war for oil , Has begun the process of ending Bush's war in Afghan for oil. He has also fought to get us off of foreign oil and into Alt energy, He has ended CIA secret prisons, Has redefined waterboarding as torture and ended torture by the US military, He has ended the fear mongering color coded threat level, he has ended the war mongering "endless war on terror" terminology that the right has perpetrated. instead of starting another 10 yr war with 1/2 a million troops and slaughtering millions of civilians like your repubs, he has used target drone attacks in Yemen (with their approval). I am against the drone attacks but I recognize it represent a vast improvement over the millions slaughter by Nixon,Ford, Reagan, Bush 2. over the decades. He has cut the military and will do so much than any repub. He has minimized and will end the use of mercenary armies. He has tried to stop NDAA, has created a signing statement against it and hasn't challenged the court case that made indef det illegal. What more do you want.? Agitate for specific change! What issue do you care about. in regards to war.? You don't care. You are just a partisan attacking Obama unreasonably.

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[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Why not give a valid counter argument?

[-] -1 points by FreeSarsak (4) 2 years ago

It is against my religion to disparage the retarded, so I wish you well...

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Once upon a time, that would be considered a cop out.

I wonder if you know what that means?

[-] 0 points by PeterKropotkin (1050) from Oakland, CA 2 years ago

Would you like to know what obama has been up to during his entire administration?

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/6/14/breaking_08_pledge_leaked_trade_doc

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

That doesn't answer the question, though I'm aware of it.

Are you going to answer for this poster too?

Are you going to provide a counter argument?

[-] 1 points by PeterKropotkin (1050) from Oakland, CA 2 years ago

An answer to what?

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

You injected yourself into the conversation, and you have no idea what the question was?

Perhaps it was your sock puppet I asked it of?

[-] -1 points by PeterKropotkin (1050) from Oakland, CA 2 years ago

I just don't see how you jackasses can come on here and steadfastly suport the democrats. They are not working for the working class. It doesnt matter what they do selling to multinational corporations illegal drone wars whatever. Allways support a democrat. You do know that Occupy is anti capitalist right? It was founded by anti capitalists and its most dedicated activists are anti capitalist. The democratic party isnt anti capitlaist or pro worker. I'm sure that moveon or daily kos has some sort of a forum for ineffectual armchair liberals somewhere. Why don't you try posting on there website with the rest of the irrelevent democrats

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Jackasses"? your kind always resorts to the schoolyard bullying tactics of your candidate Romney. We are allowed to express our opinions. Doesn't matter what the almighty "founders" believe. We got rights too. Most dem supporters I know here and in the real world recognize that dems have abandon the left wing principles they espouse. Most know the dems have moved right, and fail to stand up to the right. but we also know the Dems CAN be dragged back, to the left, co opted and made to serve the 99%. The right wing will always serve the 1%. The trumpet that proudly.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I watch what is happening in my State as well as the States of others.

You?

Not at all.

Now will you please actually answer the question that was asked?

[-] 0 points by slizzo (-96) 2 years ago

I feel sorry for ben.

[-] 0 points by PeterKropotkin (1050) from Oakland, CA 2 years ago

Agreed

[+] -4 points by Cvacca (-24) 2 years ago

How come she doesn't mention Kennedy in Chicago in 1960. That's the ultimate election theft.

[+] -6 points by shadzworth (-394) 2 years ago

bensdad is nothing more than an Oblamer shill.

By the way dad spell check your title.

[-] 4 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

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