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Forum Post: It's not about race?

Posted 2 years ago on March 17, 2012, 10:38 a.m. EST by shooz (17714)
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Tell me again, how it's never been about race.

Tell me again how there are no (R)epelican't bigots.

Tell me again why we should destroy affirmative action legislation.

I want to hear you lie.




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[-] 5 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

All republicans are not racists, but aren't all racists republicans?

It is about race.

[-] 0 points by jbgramps (159) 1 year ago

Yes, Much of the time it is about race. Racism is real and ingrained in almost aspect of American society. The civil rights laws started over fifty years ago; and it seems racism is as prevalent as ever. Legislation has just driven it underground. Racism exists in all races; and I don’t see that ending anytime soon.

Few people are overt racists (with the exceptions of white nationalists and specific minority groups). People have learned to be PC just to get along, but I think it still a major factor in American society.

I don’t know the answer. Changing the hearts and minds of millions of people about racism may be an insurmountable task.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Most racists are white people. And the only racists that really matter are the ones with power/authority over other races. So that is also mostly white people. Whether we're talkin' about bosses, teachers, landlords, police. politicians (most people in positions of authority are white). If a non white runs into a white racist in a position of authority they got trouble.

So that is they main problem when you consider racism. Lets address the white racists in positions of power. Then we can deal with all the other non white racists you claim exist.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

Almost 100% of the Chinese people in China are racist. Try speaking Chinese to them and you will find that out. They think all foreigners are, or should be, too stupid to speak Chinese. And they really resent it when some foreigner proves them wrong.

I think the Chinese government is way ahead of the Chinese people in terms of morality. The government tries to raise the living standard of all races here, and tries to strike equitable deals with the other nations representing other races of people.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Wow the Chinese are great! Do the people in Tibet & Nepal agree?

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

The people in Tibet benefit a lot from development done there by the Chinese government. However, they probably are treated like second class citizens to a great extent.

To give an example of benefits, 100% of the Tibetans graduating with a college degree now find employment. Their economy has been growing by about 12-13%, among the fastest in the world.

People who used to be serfs and slaves are now middle class. But still, its probably often uncomfortable for them to live among the Chinese. As a foreigner from the US, its often uncomfortable for me.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

So then the Chinese have done good things for the Tibetans! Excellent.

Do the Tibetans agree?

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

Many of them do, yes. You even hear some of the exiles, living in India or Nepal, in the forum on Youtube who see videos of the schools in Tibet say, "Wow, look at the clothes and the schools that our people have now".

I'm sure there are Tibetans that complain, and some complaints are probably legitimate, but some may just be from people who want to reclaim power for their class or sect again.

To know more, I'd suggest reading Friendly Feaudalism, by Michael Parenti, one of America's most prominent leftists:


Here's another article which surprisingly claims that Lhasa, the capital of Tibet, is actually China's "happiest" city:

Lhasa Tops Survey of China's Happiest Cities http://goldsea.com/Text/index.php?id=13473

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

"some of the exiles"? That's not a joke?

Exiles is not a red (no pun intended) flag. So if the"exiles" go back home will the great Chinese kill them?

Is that ok?

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

I'm just telling you some of the comments that I saw from exiles on youtube. I don't think the Chinese would kill them if they went back. If they behaved themselves.

I say this because many of the exiles were previously slave owners who personally owned thousands of slaves in Tibet, some of the high lamas, including the Dalai lama, owned as many as 5,000 slaves.

They were able to do this by having a kind of superstitious mind control over their population, who believed that the lamas were wizards, capable of controlling demons, or consigning some poor peasant to any one of the nine hot or cold hells at will.

It wouldn't be right for them to return to Tibet to try to re-establish this sort of society.

Read Parenti's aritcle. Old Tibet is often described as a hell on earth, but nowadays, its supposedly one of the happiest, at least in China.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Thank god For China. And Damn those Tibetan Monks and their slave owning Lamas!

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

I'm not saying China is completely innocent. It definitely has had and does have its problems. But things are getting better here, while in the west they're getting worse, to the point of crisis now.

The main threat to China these days, is the collapse of the west, previously its best customer.

The problems of both China and western countries could be solved to a great extent through increased cooperation, particularly mutual trade, as well as infrastructure development. We could sell tons of high tech equipment to the Chinese instead of going into a bottomless pit of debt with them.

Poverty could be eliminated in China, and the western economies could be restored in this way.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Yeah let's help China 'cause they have treated the Tibetans so good!

[-] 1 points by Trek19 (3) 1 year ago

"Free trade" by definition is trade with no goverment restrictions which means that we have to compete with countries that do not have enviromental regs as strict as ours, and pay their workers a pittance of what the average American is compensated. So yes, agreed "fair trade" is what we need, Cappy.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

They will be assimilated, resistance is futile.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

Personally, I don't think free trade is workable, the idea is based on finding lower paid labor.

I think we need to go the opposite direction, which is to produce cheaper products, not by lowering pay, but by improving the education of the workers and the technology that is available to them to work with.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

If you say so.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

I agree that the free trade, shipping products around the world approach, is not feasible for the long term. But starting where we are, we can sell stuff to the Chinese that will help them to become more independent, that is, only having to sell to internal or nearby markets.

At the same time, we would rebuild our own manufacturing capacity, enabling us eventually to sell to our own internal markets.

"Our way" is the best way to lift people out of poverty, but we have to dump free trade and begin practicing "our way", the American System, once again:


[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Free trade is fine if we include real environmental requirements, and labor rights. We should also include requirements that any market served must include hiring some percent of people in that market.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

No, we would help China because it would be helping ourselves. China is a huge market, we could get rich selling to it. Also, with more western influence in there, China would become more like the west, at least the good parts of the west, hopefully. Its already becoming more and more like the US here.

The Chinese want to be like us. Their richest people often move to America. Why not give them what they want, to improve their society, and make some money at it too?

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Chinese have done much to lift hundreds of millions out of poverty using elements of western economics, providing exploited labor to unscrupulous western plutocrats, and selling the west plastic crap and inferior products.

They will be a great market (GM is growing there) for us and for themselves. We should not use their labor for products to be shipped here across the ocean. Only for products sold to them or other near by markets. They should also focus on manufacturing in the area of the market of sales.

Your right, the Chinese are becoming more like us. Believe it or not our way is the best way to lift the most people out of poverty. We need to adopt some of their ways as well. But not their treatment of minorities/Tibetans, and not their treatment of women/female births.


[-] -1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 1 year ago

Just a thought....Is America obligated to help them because they hold most of America's debt?

[-] 0 points by Trek19 (3) 1 year ago

Yep, the people, the 99% anyway... of most of the world have been screwed by this system. That is why this is a world revolution.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

"Power to the people, right on" JL

[-] 0 points by Trek19 (3) 1 year ago

The case could be argued that the "corp plutocrats" in America, and elsewhere having been taking advantage of people in the rest of the world for far longer than they have us, and in a much more egregious way. Yes it does suck.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

That would be a strong case. Our plutocrats screw everyone.

They excel at screwing people and they have been practicing for almost 500 years.

It's got to end.

[-] 0 points by Trek19 (3) 1 year ago

Agreed..."Fair trade"

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Everyone takes advantage of America. & we let them by passing these agreements to serve the 1% corp plutocrats.

It sucks for us (the 99%)


[-] 0 points by Trek19 (3) 1 year ago

"Resistance" to the system that promotes "free trade" is not futile to me.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Right! Fair trade. No free trade!

[-] 0 points by Trek19 (3) 1 year ago

It is not "free trade" when you start attaching conditions to it. I'm not saying it should be without, just saying.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

It ain't free trade in any case captain!

How about fair trade?

[-] -1 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

Don't bother talking to vq he's an unhinged bigot who knows everyone's life and without video proof he will not believe you, even then I doubt he would. His hate has made him blind and the bigot he is.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

Perhaps you are right, but perhaps some people would also benefit from reading the debate.

[-] -1 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

Not saying don't read it just saying don't get your hopes up he will see logic

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

Yes, I know.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

You think just possibly the link about Lhasa as the happiest city is pure propaganda?


[-] -1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 1 year ago

Ya Ya, sure, sure! After they shoot you down......for example.... http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=image&fr=moz35&va=tiananmen+square+massacre

People....don't you get it? There is not one nation on the face of the earth that has not destroyed its own young or put them into slavery!
If the Asiatics and Europeans of America trace and know history, then they realize that they have done the same (and still are) to their own kind as well as others! What makes slaves of individuals and nations.....their own blood! Stop acting so damned Holier than Thou!

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

Sure, every country has done good and bad, its not rocket science.

But, stop acting holier than thou you say? You post appears to assume the most self righteous tone on this page.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 1 year ago

Wow! And you keep questioning me as to whether or not I am a racist? Who and what the hell do you think you are? What alleged race are you and what makes you think only "alleged" white people are racists? I can point throughout history how man has created his own racist opinions due to his own inadequacies in lacking strength of moral character! Obviously, which I have tried to point out to your dumb ass before, you don't know a damn think about history, or the world! "All nations have suffered slavery" and that includes "white" people too! Stop playing the race card and get to the heart of the matter. Most people who feel oppressed in this country and elsewhere, are the very ones who will turn it around and create the oppression, for whatever reasons against their very own kind! Its a bunch of bull shyt because most people are ignorant of who they truly are, where they came from, place of origin and are prejudiced against their OWN KIND!!! Even you, with your nose and ass up in the air!

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Never said "only" white people are racists. Said "Most"

"hell"? "dumb ass" "damn"? "bull shyt"? "ignorant .... even you ... nose & ass up in the air" obscenities, insults indicate weak arguments, Anger leads to fear, & hate. And I think your angry rant shows I've hit a nerve of truth!

I know a great deal of history! I stand by my statements. I'm not "playing" the race card! I'm giving an opinion based on facts, history & my life experience!

I guess we disagree? About what? You really didn't say through your angry rant.

[-] 0 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 1 year ago

I am not angry, I am appalled! But.....I did get everyone's attention now, didn't I?

You my friend are a bona fide HYPOCRITE! Just because you may not use profanity, your statements are not only extremely PROFANE, but basically racist in general and mundane in thought.

You put up a front of piousness when inside all you harbor is hate of "white" people? Do you know how many "white" people are members of your own family? Do you realize that you haven't raised your intellect or thoughts beyond the 1800's? Puh-leeze....it is obvious that you are the one who is insulting others with your obvious lack of understanding..

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I disagree!

[-] 0 points by nazihunter (319) 3 months ago

Those are your opinions and that's all they are because, frankly, you have no way of really knowing do you?

[-] 0 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

Wow just wow, unlike you I only speak of what I experience and my experience is white people are scared of being a racists they go out of their way to try and prove they are not. While the non white racism you think doesn't exists I deal with eveyday, non white racism is openly displayed.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Non white racism? LOL. Since minorities are still struggling, still have higher unemployment,still targeted by police, and still given harsher sentences for same crimes, still stuck in dead end jobs, still not in the 1% plutocrats, still in poorest neighborhoods, worse schools, I don't see what power they have to perpetrate the key element of racism. Oppression!

So would you say that minorities are oppressing the white race? LMFAO!

I think the white race is still squarely in control, still oppressing everyone that ain't white,& still sitting on top of the heap with all the money.

What exactly have you seen that counters any of these realities.

Non white racism. what a joke. Ever hear of a stop & frisk problem with white people.? If you did, the practice would end right quick.

[-] -1 points by Clicheisking (-210) 1 year ago

Cliche is king. Congratulations. You have won the irrational white guilt I'll never think for myself tell me anything and I'll believe it award. You and people like you are what is wrong with this country.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

"irrational white guilt"? What are you talkin about.?

"believe anything"? What are suggesting I believe that ain't true?

Me and people like me are progressives who want all people to do better.

People like you who stand against that basic need are the problem with the planet!

So there! I call your country, and raise you one planet.!

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Clicheisking said 0 minutes ago at Oct. 13, 2012, 10:30 p.m. EST (delete)

You will be the first on the Day of the Rope.

Am I supposed to be scared now - or are you saying that you have done something to deserve the death penalty and you would like me to be your master of ceremonies.

So Sorry I am busy that day.

[-] -1 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

I'm telling you my personal experiences you can put your head in the Sand if you want I witness the opposite of what you say everyday

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Where? How? You didn't say anything! you stated generalities. The white people I know ain't afraid of being racists! They ain't racists. That's all It's easy.

I gave you many specific situations of oppression that minorities still struggle with. I ain't even begun with my own personal experiences. fuhgetaboutit!

Are you sticking YOUR head in the sand regarding that?

Give me an example of racism against white people.? Just one. Please.

[-] -1 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

My personal experiences use your dam ears and listen. As for my examples ill need a bit of space on the board to write them all down

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You're full of shit!

Just one example of racism against white people.! C/mon just one!

[-] -1 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

My brother and his wife moved into a apt complex (5 of us were helping) the apt manager said you guys are the only white people in this complex are you sure you want to move here? We just blew it off within a couple hours the crowds started gathering and shouting hey crackers you don't belong here. Things ramped up quickly it wasn't long before more people than I could count were at his door at first bottles and rocks were tossed and it finally boiled over into a massive fight. Two people died that night (one of the crowd had a gun and when a struggle for control of it he shot two people on the crowd ) by accident to survive we backed into his apr and that creates a bottle neck and we were able to stay alive long enough for the cops to show up. That is just one of many . Like I said the shot is between yours ears.

[-] 1 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

That's odd. I've lived in a housing project in Harlem for the longest and one but no one has ever bothered me and I am not black. And I can also tell you as a taxi driver that I bring white people to their homes from night shift jobs like waiter barkeep and stripper and so many of them have chosen to live in black neighborhoods that these neighborhoods can't be called "black neighborhoods" any more.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I get the same sense as you do. This guy don't know what he's talkin about.

Seems like more false equivalencies to somehow minimize the racist oppression minorities have been subjected to.


[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Where? What city? When? Give me the date. 2 people shot dead. Let's see if I can find the story.

And for your information I live in nyc. Very large minority population. And A whole lot of gentrification as well. There is some trouble every so often, & I'm sure "white boy" (more likely hipster, or yuppie) slurs are hurled.. But the white people taking over these neighborhoods has only accelerated.

This is not racism against white people. It is the victims of racism acting out against the race that is oppressing them (& now taking over their neighborhood).

Your story I don't know. Certainly white access to the slums is not comparable to the racist oppression of minorities in America.

But please give my the date and city. I WILL find it.

[-] 0 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

Lol you are a moron and a excuse maker. You are to stupid I insult

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Yeah right. figured! You're a lyin' piece of shit!

Your lie about your brother, his wife, a gang of black people with guns comin after them because they were white is part of the racism against minorities in this country.

Where!? When!? Lying racist!

[-] -1 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

You are an unhinged lunatic, with a myopic view of life. You asked for an example I gave you one an you didn't like it what a shock. You are an angry loser in life which is why you are here. Life is hard; it's even harder when your stupid…and you are stupid.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

"unhinged lunatic"? "myopic"? "angry loser"? "Stupid"?

Many insults. No evidence of the angry black mob with guns fantasy.

Spreading that kind of lie is part of the racism that oppresses minorities in the country.

When? & where? That's all. Otherwise you are just a lying racist.

[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago


Scroll down. There's a LONNNNGGG list of events detailed and foot noted in this guys book that the media has just IGNORED for some ODD reason. I'm sure we can wait for you to debunk them all.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

These crimes are horrible. Hopefully, all criminals will be arrested & brought to justice.

I would say in fact it is likely they WILL be brought to justice. Look at the jail population, and analyze arrest/sentencing stats.!

That doesn't change the racial oppression of minorities in America for 400 years.

These horrible crimes do not compare to the continued destruction of large ethnic groups by the majority white population who have the power to keep these groups down.

These horrible crimes which will be punished are the acts of powerless people who can create no harm other than low level street violence.

The racist oppression crimes against entire ethnic groups by the majority white 'powers that be' are not being prosecuted! Mostly they are denied by people who prefer to focus on street crime perpetrated by minorities, and give racist oppression of minorities a pass, an excuse, cover.

People like you!

[-] 2 points by ShubeLMorgan2 (1088) from New York, NY 1 year ago

More likely some poor souls who "fit the description" will be rounded up and railroaded. That what cops do.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You got that right.

Jails are full of innocent people. REALLY! It's an old joke but today it is very true.

[-] 1 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

You really think stop and frisk is only non white wow you are crazy cops look at things in one way your blue or your everyone else

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Almost 90% stop & frisks in nyc are minorities.! vast majorotity of which are innocent.

[-] -1 points by jbgramps (159) 1 year ago

I respectfully disagree. I doubt either you or I have any real numbers on how many racists are in any racial group, so both our opinions are based on what we’ve personally experienced and learned in our life. Certainly there are more white racists because there are more white people. But as a percentage I think racism is just as rampant among non-white races.

I’m sorry, but there will always be racial inequities. I don’t see any way around it. The US government has been trying for at least fifty years and hasn’t changed a lot of lot minds. There is still a lot of hostility between the races.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

So then it sounds like we agree that there are more white racists in America (because the white race is still the largest race in the country).

Would you agree that racists are especially damaging to society and other races when they are in positions of power?

And would you agree that white people still hold the majority of positions of power?

Otherwise I'm not sure what we disagree on?

[-] 1 points by jbgramps (159) 1 year ago

Yes, we agree, because white people are the largest racial group there are more white racists. But to deny racism is just as prevalent in other races ignores reality. I also agree racism damages society, but I can understand the basis of a lot of it.

The civil right laws and related State and local laws are intended to create a level playing field and allow minority equal opportunity. But rather than a level playing field it has become more like discrimination toward whites. Surely you can understand a white person being frustrated when they don’t get hired or promoted just because they are white. There is a case pending in the Supreme Court where a student was denied entry to the University of Texas because she was white. UT uses race as one of the factors in admissions. Do you blame the white person for being frustrated?

I think most white people resent being labeled racist just because they are white. The assumption these days seems to be white equals racist. Do you blame whites for being resentful? And, yes I believe this racial resentment is growing. Personally I don’t think whites are inherently more racist, but they don’t like be9ing discriminated against any more than any other group.

Case in point. You claim the only racists that really matter are the ones in power. That seem to suggest that most white people in power are racist. Isn’t that a racist statement? In reality there are probably less white racists in positions of power than is representative of the general population.

My whole point is racism exists among all races. I’ve begin the think racism is a natural trait that can’t be rooted out. Whatever race is in power will be considered racist.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Nah. The whites are especially talented with this concept they created.

So "you understand the basis of it"? But you don't agree with racism right?

I mean when you say you understand the basis of racism are you referring to being stolen from your homeland, having your wife stolen and raped, children sold off, whipped, forced to work for your entire life, language stolen, forbidden the right to read, vote, or are you referring to Muffy not getting into college of her choice and Billy bob not getting a job.

Because I think there is a big difference. If you can appreciate the frustration that these white people might feel, why don't you comment on what we did to African Americans? You left that out. Gee. Wonder why.

All white people in power are not racists. But most racists in America are white, most people in power are white, and all white racists in power represent a continue threat to our society.

And all republicans ain't racists. But aren't all racists republicans?

[-] 1 points by jbgramps (159) 1 year ago

Whoa, slow down a little. I never owned a slave, nor did my ancestors, I’ve researched my genealogy back 1500 and my forefathers didn’t either, they were too poor. I can’t change history, this happened near two centuries ago. Why am I being held accountable for it now? Makes no sense to me.

“We” didn’t do anything to blacks. Obviously some of our ancestors owned slaves, but no white in the US today has ever owned, raped whipped anyone. How much atonement is necessary? How long until we’re not supposed to feel guilty? Just what is it you expect from white people today who never had a hand in slavery? I don’t know the answers. But I get tired of white people automatically being called racist because they resent being discriminated against.

I’m not a republican, democrat or libertarian. I just vote my conscience not matter no matter the party. But I think it unfair and unethical to equate republicans with racism. My personal opinion is hate is consuming us. The left and right hate each other with a passion so strong no reasonable discussion is possible, the races are becoming more divided every day, pro-abortion vs. anti-abortion, Muslims vs. Christian vs. atheist, gun owners vs. anti-gun folks.. and the list goes on. Is it any wonder our government doesn’t work when the masses can’t even agree on what time it is.

So, I’ll end my posts on this thread by saying I don’t apologize for being white. Not much I can do about it anyway. I refuse to feel guilty for something that occurred two centuries ago. I don’t consider myself racist and resent it when someone plays the race card in an attempt to say most white people are racist

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I didn't say most white people are racist!. And the racism against African Americans didn't end 2 centuries ago. Slavery ended 150 yrs ago. Reconstruction and the brutal repression of blacks continued up to 1960's. That's 50 years ago. Some improvements occurred in the 1960's but there is still great oppression against African Americans. I lot more than simply not getting into a chosen college or one particular job.

Atonement should continue until the racism stops. We may not have held slaves but we all benefit from the oppression of the African American.

So there.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 1 year ago

Child, child....white folks were not the inventors of oppressions. You see, that is the whole problem of this system....Black & White, when in reality there are so many shades of colors, cultures etc, that new names are being made for them every single day.
How totally ridiculous! As if that is going to stop one particular race from subjugating its own! I'm glad my family taught me to learn how to discern one person from another in their treatment of others, and trust me....It ain't just white folks who are prejudiced against the Asiatics in America or across the globe! I think Asiatics (alleged black folks) who are also in power hate their own kind as well... So, scuse you!

Oh, and I am not talking for or against any one particular "alleged" race, because I know who and what and where my ancestors came from. But, really, does anyone ever take responsibility done by their forefathers, families or nation of people (unless they are clueless as to what nation they truly belong to) against others? I DOUBT IT! We are too busy always trying to find scapegoats.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago


[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 1 year ago

In other words everyone is not of a pure "black" or "white" race. Do some more research, investigative reading, documentation rediscovery. Then you might understand that you all really know nothing about race, the concept of racism or why those false values are kept alive. Do some real knowledge research! People....please...please.....bring your thinking and your untapped intellectual capacity up to date, other wise you don't stand a snow balls chance in hell for survival! On that note, this post is boring because no one on here really wants to get out of the DARK AGES.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Thank you so much. I will research.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago
[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 1 year ago

I know, I know... It is better to kill than to search out the truth..

See ya, sure wouldn't wanna be ya!!

[-] -1 points by WooHoo (15) 1 year ago

What party does Jesse Jackson belong to? And there's your answer.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

The horrible kkk, abortion photos sent to republican candidate Mia Love was sent by a republican no?

[-] 0 points by marvelpym (-184) 1 year ago

And you know this how? Maybe is what sent by a black guy. Or a liberal Jew. That's one quantum leap of intuition on your part.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Anti abortion, kkk, anti black seems kinda republican to me!

Not you?

perhaps your opinion is that it was sent by a dem. 'sok. You're entitled. Maybe you believe the dems have done this because she is a repub and they really want to win the race against her? I suppose you've seen dems frequently use these desperate tactics on a low level solid red office?

Now my opinion that it is some right wing wacko racist anti abortion repub is based on what was sent. And that Utah is 99% white, a racist might not want a black person rep them and might go to extreme lengths.

Who knows. I don't, you don't. we must guess.

What do you think? And why? Please I wanna hear youb say it! LMFAO

[-] 0 points by marvelpym (-184) 1 year ago

What do I think? I have no idea who sent it. Why? Because I know nothing about it, so I wouldn't dream of making any accusations. Nobody says we have to guess except you, Conehead.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

"conehead"? Ooo Who who! I win! you have no more substantive arguments, so you have to resort to name calling! Aaaaaah ha ha ha!

When you have no more facts, you should just be an adult, admit your failure and refrain from the childish insults.

And you did suggest it was "a black guy" or "a liberal jew" didn't you? So when you say you "wouldn't dream of making accusations" did you mean that you would be ok literally making accusations?

LMFAO. What a joke!

I know all republicans aren't racists but aren't all racists republican?

[-] 0 points by marvelpym (-184) 1 year ago

what political party are your sock puppet personalites?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I use one login to comment here! I am a registered independent, & I support the agenda that the progressive caucus supports.

How about you Hank? What party are you.?

[-] 0 points by marvelpym (-184) 1 year ago

I'm a GDI. God Damn Independent

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Well bully for you. You prefer conservative policies though right?

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

I've seen many threads here tying to legitimize racism.

They go to great lengths to explain how it's OK to be an unrepentant bigot, and they go on to embrace that bigotry.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Lotsa closet racists, who hide behind code words and concepts. states rights, blame the victims. And the tea bagge(R)s are right in the front row. It's disgusting.

Good post


[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Here's one for you.

Some positive stuff.

Feel free to make use of it.


I was going to start a thread, but I have some things to do today and can't sit with it.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I will start it. I had heard about this but didn't see a story.


[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

I found one that will make it hard for them to play partisan games with.....:)

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You 'da best. They will probably avoid it 'cause my name is on it, but 'sok I can take it.

Thx again.

[-] 2 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 1 year ago

So true......any racist individual is ignorant. Not only of self, but of the whole idea behind racism and the fact that differences between people (?), races, or nations(?) are that great! Let's all have DNA testing and let that speak for itself!

I'm sure many would jump off the nearest bridge after they got the results!

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

It's what racists like about libe(R)tarianism, while it makes claims about the sovereignty of the individual, it also allows that same individual to treat others in any way they see fit..

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

It is that ayn rand BS.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Yes it is.

I've never doubted it.

Just listen to Rand Paul and you will see it.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

The sociopaths/psychopaths prophetess? ayn stinking rand.

[-] -2 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago


It's a fitting name for them. They really have spread from our system to places all over the World.

They are sitting on $32,000,000,000,000, and that's just monetary assets......., and that figure doesn't include what they may invest.

They feed off of the inflation that produces.

Neolibe(R)tarians. Their behaviors ARE why we are where we are.

[-] 3 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Then grow up and join the fight to end this 30 year old bipartisna bullshit takeover

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

I think I just explained how it goes beyond bipartisna.

Perhaps a re-read?

[-] 3 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

The "bipartisans" in my statement are suppose to act as a hedge for us against the people whom you were talking about.

Instead they are working for them. Thats about as fucked up as it gets. Time to do something different. ITs been done before, its going to happen again eventually. The sooner it does, the better for everyone.

Gotta decide if you want to be a game changer, of just another typical voter. Because the typical voters are not helping to change this stuff at all.

[-] -2 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

So you believe in it, but you don't?

You also seem to think ignoring the Worldwide effect of the neolibe(R)tarians is somehow useful.

I strongly disagree.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Another non answer from the forums leading topic shifter.

Both partis are screwing you. Have been. Wake the fuck up.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Obscenities again and inaccurate accusations ("non answer" "leading topic shifter")

So again you shift the topic from what the post brought up to the fallacy that "the parties are the same".

on the issue of racism the parties are vastly different. The dems embrace minorities, immigrants, & all races.

Republicans may not all be racists but aren't all racists republicans?.

Your silence on the post topic is deafening.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Actually, the shifter is you.

This thread is about racism, and you haven't offered a single on topic comment.

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13220) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

the pie is only so big. They are demanding a bigger and bigger slice every single year.

As if they can eat what they already have.

the fukaires

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

It's not even the pie.

It's the extraction. It gives them leverage over every currency in the World.

It's not in circulation. Money gets printed to replace it.

If they dump just a portion of that, they can affect, or even crash, any economy in the world.

Affect, any business in the World.

Affect any market in the World.

They make sure Ms. Rands books are distributed to the wannabes.

[-] -1 points by ZenDog (13220) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I thought that was what repelicans had against the Chinese . . . .

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Part of the show. Mitt made millions shipping jobs over there. Now they have to learn how to extract that one too..

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

That and society let em get away with it to this point in time.

But think about it for a sec - if everything came crashing down - what would be to stop us from saying - the hell with it - new day - everyone starts from scratch. Resources would have to be allocated regardless of whether money was worth anything or not. Things would still need to get done - and there would still be things to do. Money is really kind of a mythical thing that we give life meaning value Sure let the banks go to hell and gone and lets just take care of business = growing a healthy society.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Society doesn't know they even exist.

Society isn't aware that they have co -opted our system.

They usually refer to them as the ubiquitous, nondescript "they".

Labels are a little more important than we like to admit sometimes. Without them, we couldn't describe the difference between a dog and a cat.

Money, won't be going away for a while yet. Some cultures are just becoming enamored with it.

Getting rid of it is a noble aim, but it's off in the future a ways.

It's the extraction that needs to stop.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Absolutely - if we are gonna be using the stuff - then it should be in circulation or working in one way or another - It shouldn't be horded in a dark cellar and allowed to grow shrooms.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

It's the thing the goldbugs don't get about fiat currency. It's designed to stay in circulation.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Greed is grasping and blind - not considerate or logical.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

I still love it when the Austrians get all bent out of shape over MMT.

It cracks me up every time...........:)

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Modern Money Theory ?

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Modern Monetary Theory.

The Austrians hate it, so it must be on the correct track.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

All I know is that people in charge of the money - in government and everywhere else - stopped dealing in reality a few decades ago and it has only gone further out into the twilight zone ever since. Now it is all imaginary bits and bytes and mega bytes, giga bytes and Tera bytes.

Hell if they wanted to they could electronically raid those off shore accounts for those hidden trillions and just add it to the electronic trough of the Fed or just erase it like it never was. I don't think there is an actual physical monetary equivalent for what is in circulation or storage electronically.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21469) 2 years ago

There is a lot of racism against Obama. It's not politically correct to say that, but it is true.

[-] 1 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

I find that there is also left wing racism against Obama, in the form of "he let us down", or "dems and repubs are identical". While he is certainly not above criticism, middle-aged white voters seems particularly vulnerable to this type of apathy and bitterness.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21469) 1 year ago

Wow, Tommy, bumping a comment from 6 months ago! Okay. I'm sure you are right there, blatant racism from conservatives, and more subdued, politically correct racism from "progressives." I'd agree with that.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

I swore a saw descriptions of militancy attitude and training "to kill the towel heads"

can't find it with an internet search anymore

[-] 1 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

For the record, "I did not bump that thread" (in my Clinton voice). It was already bubbling when I got here.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (21469) 1 year ago

LOL! Okay, Bill.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago
[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

So people who realize how bad the entire system is fucking the public are now racist?

You are a real piece of work.

[-] 2 points by TommyNYC (730) 1 year ago

If you just realized it now, and you somehow missed it during the Bush years, then yes you just might be a little racist.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

No, Im talking about people who have realized it for quite some time.

[-] 1 points by jbgramps (159) 1 year ago

Unfortunately, it’s about race much of the time; and it doesn’t matter the topic and it doesn’t matter the race. I submit race and racism is a factor in most issues. Doesn’t matter if you or I like it or not, race is involved in politics, business, education and about everything else in society. I don’t see that changing in the foreseeable future. Make no mistake, Obama being black matters to millions of people,both black and white voters

[-] 0 points by Dell (-168) 2 years ago

hahahaha! there it is ! The card lol!!!

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (21469) 2 years ago

The race card that you guys play over and over and over, but pretend you're not.

[-] -1 points by Dell (-168) 2 years ago

and thats how you know you are out of ammo - you resort to the race card. Makes it so you dont have to think. just dismiss it as racism. So if I was against President Clinton & His Leftist wife - does that make me a racist too? Or how about Black Conservatives like Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams & Star Parker ? how do you explain it when they are against Statist policies?

[-] 3 points by pewestlake (947) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

It's true, where would the GOP be without step-and-fetch-its like JC Watts and Alan Keyes and Clarence Thomas and Allen West to carry the white man's burden into the drug dens of the welfare queens? Without Michael Steele, we'd think people like Trent Lott and Newt Gingrich and Jan Brewer and Haley Barbour really are a bunch of in-bred bigots. But with the conservatokens hanging around for table scraps, appearances can be maintained... at least in your tiny minds.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (21469) 2 years ago

Well said.

[-] -2 points by Dell (-168) 2 years ago

yea - be even more insulting to blacks - you think they cant think for themselves & if they have an alternative opinion other than what the leftists tell them to think then they are tokens lol! who's the racist?

[-] 1 points by pewestlake (947) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

Oh, I know those guys think for themselves. For themselves and absolutely nobody else. Me and my black friends have no problem calling the house slaves for what they are. When you grow up, maybe you'll understand.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

You say that as though there wasn't and isn't any of that.

There was and still is.

A lot of comments in this thread prove it is still so.

[-] -1 points by Dell (-168) 2 years ago

I am sure there is a degree of racism. However it is not necessary to be a racist to be against Statist policies. The argument of Tyranny vs. Freedom goes back to the beginning of time.

[-] 2 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

statism and racism are not the same thing.

[-] 1 points by Dell (-168) 2 years ago

exactly - I can be against Statism without being a racist. That's the whole point. Somehow - the OWS folks think it's one in the same.

[-] 0 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

one purposely ignorant person on here ( shooz) refuses to look up the meaning of " statism". Thats why they're the "useful idiots " of ows. read the posts of shooz regarding statism,...they're hilarious.

[-] 1 points by pewestlake (947) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

The problem is, none of you hysterical conservatives were screaming about "statism" when Bush was adding 750,000 employees to the Federal payroll, or when the Patriot and Homeland Security Acts granted sweeping state powers to law enforcement, or when the US Congress intervened in the Terri Shiavo case or when the Bush administration created a legal no-man's-land in Guantanamo Bay. You're mum for a decade while Republicans run roughshod over the Constitution but the second a liberal gets elected, all of a sudden it's "creeping statism!"

I don't care if you hate blacks. I KNOW you hate liberals with every fiber of your being and it skews your logic. You're so easily convinced that liberal policy is purpose-built for your personal destruction that you are physically incapable of principled consistency. You cannot apply the same principles uniformly because "principles" aren't partisan. And every time you bust out a principle, like "statism," all you do is remind everyone that the only principle you really stand on is selfishness: "what I think and want matters more than what anyone else thinks or wants, always."

[-] 0 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

another lib/dem/progressive "useful idiot" heard from.

[-] 1 points by pewestlake (947) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

Great comeback. I'll be sure to keep an eye on you.


[-] 1 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

not possible since you can't see beyond your left wing fringe nose.

[-] 2 points by pewestlake (947) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

Boy, you're a barrel of laughs. Listen, Projector Boy, nobody with half a brain gives a rat's ass what you think. Period. That will never change.

Have a nice day.

[-] 0 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

i have a nice ( great ) day , everyday,......................that's beyond you,after all,you're in brooklyn.

[-] 1 points by pewestlake (947) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

Ah, the all-American conservatroll, wrapped in Old Glory, proclaiming unconditional love for his country from sea to shining sea... except for all those nasty parts where liberals are in the majority, like California and New York, two of the three most populated States in the union. And they especially hate those Sodom and Gomorrah lookalikes -- New York City, San Francisco, Chicago, New Orleans, Seattle, Boston, Los Angeles, Detroit, Baltimore, Portland Philadelphia, and on and on and on and on...

I still don't care what you think. Every cute comeback and snide remark you make just reveals the bankruptcy of your ideology and shows your inability to contribute anything meaningful to the discussion. I just enjoy an opportunity to point out the obvious hypocrisy of the typical conservatroll.

Though, you do look adorable in your Ayn Rand cape and John Galt speedo!

[-] -2 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

as a brook babbles on so do you.

[-] -2 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago


What degree are you willing to admit there is?

We've been over the statist crap elsewhere, so I won't address it again here.

This is about racist propaganda and veiled racism.

[-] -1 points by Dell (-168) 2 years ago

point out a specific racial incident. Breitbar offed a hefty reward & could not find any takers so I put the question to you - give me an instance of racism.


[-] 0 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Some of the worst racism I've seen.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (21469) 1 year ago

I miss HitGirl. Come back, HitGirl.

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (21469) 2 years ago

Thanks, HitGirl. I agree with you.

[-] -2 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

It's not purely politically motivated either.

No matter what most say in public.

I have personally been accosted and called a traitor to my race.

I looked at her askance, and asked her.

There's a race? What race? Where's the finish line and what do I win.

How can I be a traitor, if nobody told me there was something to win?

I went on and so did she, ending with "you know what I mean! The color of your skin!"

I responded, " I'm a pinkish beige, with spots".

She got frustrated and left the store.

[-] 6 points by beautifulworld (21469) 2 years ago

The truth: One human race.

[-] -1 points by BLOWCHUNKS (43) 2 years ago

That's right, all should be treated the same in the eyes of the law, giving preferential treatment to none.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (21469) 2 years ago

Preferential treatment to the poor to have ample time to get the identification suddenly wanted for voting, yes.

[-] 1 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

Suddenly?????? national elections are 8 months away.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21469) 2 years ago

That'll come quicker than you think and a lot of people will be disenfranchised.

[-] 1 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

why is it so difficult to get a photo ID? states with photo ID laws for voting offer them for free.

[-] 1 points by BLOWCHUNKS (43) 2 years ago

Oh, absolutely-but we were speaking of race. The law should treat all races equally.

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (21469) 2 years ago

Obviously, but this new law that's being shopped around would affect minorities more since the majority of poor are minorities. That's why they're doing this. They know these people tend to vote democratic.

You can make a law across the board equally to all people, but the way you structure that law can have a big affect on different groups of people. Going back to our education system, having schools paid for largely with local funds, what happens? Poor kids, who live in poor areas get a worse education. It's fair under the law, all are treated equally, you know, your local area pays for the education system, yet the fall-out is unfair.

[-] 0 points by craigdangit (326) 2 years ago

That's not even close to true. The majority of impoverished Americans are indeed white, based on the following extrapolation:

223,553,265 white Americans, 13% 2010 poverty rate, 29,000,000 total white poor people.

308,000,000 Americans total, 15.1% overall 2010 poverty rate, 46,500,000 total poor Americans.

290/465ths of the us poor population is white, or 62%. Any law adversely affecting the poor affects more whites than minorities.

However, the poor are as you said, strong democratic supporters. So there can be a partisan motivation behind voter ID laws, but a racial one is absurd.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21469) 2 years ago

There is definitely partisan motivation behind this, and though you make a valid point, the percentage of those in poverty among African Americans is much higher than it is among whites, and so it would disenfranchise a huge chunk of that group. Also, don't forget, a lot of the elderly among the white are those in poverty and they are going after them, too, because they largely vote democratic.

[-] 1 points by craigdangit (326) 2 years ago

Disenfranchise a huge chunk of blacks? I just proved that wrong, and this has nothing at all to do with race! It is purely partisan motivated. I will tell you why I am so adamant about this in a moment. But first, the next extrapolation:

There are 40,000,000 blacks in the us (2010). 27% are in poverty, or 10,800,000 total, which is only 23% of the poor population. So for every 23 blacks disenfranchised by a voter ID law, they are disenfranchising 62 whites. This is important to note. Why? Because, if we keep mentioning race in these claims about voter disenfranchisement, not only is it a weak premise, but it sounds racist by itself, because it sounds like we are saying blacks can't figure out how to get an ID. Economic factors are the ONLY factors at play here, for a poor person who doesn't have a car or any transportation and can't get to the DMV. Race itself has nothing ot do with it, of course, because a rich white person and a rich black person are just as capable of getting to the DMV or having a driver's license. Mentioning race, instead of the trump card (partisanship) makes us look racist.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (21469) 2 years ago

I completely agree with you that the color of one's skin has no relation at all to one's ability. We are one race and equal in every way. However, evidently, black boys can't walk down the street as safely as white boys, black people get pulled over by cops more often, etc etc. So, to sweep race under the carpet is a mistake. As a nation we still have a lot to work out in terms of race, like it or not, politically correct to say, or not.

And, in the case of voter disenfranchisement it is a bigger segment of the African American population that will be disenfranchised so it is a big issue for them. Believe me, I'm just as upset about any person at all being disenfranchised. I do get what you are saying. There are a lot of nuances there and nothing important is ever black and white.

[-] 1 points by craigdangit (326) 2 years ago

I'm not sweeping race under the carpet, as an issue. But on this issue, race bears no part of the problem. They don't care what race people are, as long as they keep voting for them. If the poor voted as solidly Republican as they do Democrat, the Democrats would be fighting for voter ID and the Republicans would be saying no.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21469) 2 years ago

There is a racial aspect to this entire thing. Why didn't the Reps ask for voter ID when Clinton was running? Why didn't Dems push for it during the Bush years?

[-] 1 points by craigdangit (326) 2 years ago

The dems didn't push for it because most of the poor vote solidly Democrat. As to why the Repubs didn't, I really don't know, although it has been tried numerous times in state legislatures throughout the years.

[-] 0 points by BLOWCHUNKS (43) 2 years ago

It's pretty easy to move. I actually live in the richest county in the nation, and I live in a house that was purchased for $75,000 with four acres of land. Plenty of room to grow a garden, and take care of myself. I do quite well now, I'm not in the 1% by any means, but the schools are great.

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (21469) 2 years ago

You are so out of touch.

[-] -1 points by BLOWCHUNKS (43) 2 years ago

With what? How? That's not even a debate point.

[-] -1 points by Dell (-168) 2 years ago

lets stay on voter registration - "but the way you structure that law can have a big affect on different groups of people" how is a straight forward law like you need a photo id o vote, board a plane, by a pack of cigarettes, buy a six pack of beer - how can that be "STRUCTURED: to discriminate against minorities?

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (21469) 2 years ago

Well, since this is affecting mostly minorities, since they are the ones who don't have IDs in the greatest numbers, then you need to give a lot of time and help with getting the IDs before disenfranchising anyone.

[-] -2 points by Dell (-168) 2 years ago

help? what kind of help? are people not capable of getting themselves id's? What if they aren't interested? Look - if people want to vote as badly as they want to do all the other things that require id the least they can do is make the effort to get an id. It's not that difficult if you have the slightest interest.

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (21469) 2 years ago

Must I say it again? Many minorities don't drive, they use public transportation which is not so easy. They also work at jobs they can't just afford to take time off from. And, many elderly folks are homebound. Find some compassion. Good grief. You'd feel better.

[-] -3 points by Dell (-168) 2 years ago

yet they can seemingly make it to the polling place if they want to vote? All these other things to inhibit their ability to get an id and yet they can find the time & wherewithal to go vote. Please - you have every excuse in the book. and by the way - elderly folk ? why didnt they get an id when they were younger & could get around? you have an excuse for everything.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

beautifulworld I admire your tenacity but you are trying to talk to a brick headed troll.

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (21469) 2 years ago

You made me laugh. I know who he is and who he's been. LOLOL!

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Stop that - I am very needy. ( unless you can feed me nice compliments all night that is ) {:-)

1 points by beautifulworld (5114) 0 minutes ago

No. You're awesome, DKAtoday. LOL! ↥like ↧dislike permalink

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

This I know you are a tireless good-hearted defender of truth.

Me? I can't help but slap them when given the opportunity.

You are the better person.

But I have fun sticking their noses in their droppings.

Does that make me a bad person do you think?

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21469) 2 years ago

No. You're awesome, DKAtoday. LOL!

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Good then my work here is done, your laughter brightens my day.

If you don't mind trying to school a mindless idiot I am not going to argue with you. But you are being much to kind.

Others looking in on its comments will easily see that it is up to no-good.

[-] 5 points by beautifulworld (21469) 2 years ago

I want the record set straight here because the reason he is here trolling is that there are people who actually think like that. I don't care what it thinks.

: )

[-] 2 points by RedSkyMorning (220) 2 years ago

I thought the real problem was not that minorities didn't get ID's, but that they are much, much more likely to have names that do not match a government issued ID. Some cultures give people more than three names or may use different acceptable spellings of their Anglocized name.

[-] -2 points by Dell (-168) 2 years ago

yea - it's a conspiracy. thats what voter id is about. take another toke.

[-] 2 points by RedSkyMorning (220) 2 years ago

I didn't say it was a conspiracy, just a flaw in how we issue official documents.

[-] -1 points by Dell (-168) 2 years ago

It's simple - you go to DMV - show your birth certificate and a piece of mail showing where you live & you get a non driver id. If you cant do that give me a break - you shouldn't be allowed to walk the street let alone vote. He's a scenario - you get approached by a police officer for public urination - you have no ID - how is he supposed to issue you a citation?

[-] 1 points by RedSkyMorning (220) 2 years ago

What on Earth does that have to do with what I just said? The women in my family keep their fathers name and take their husbands name. It's a Cajun thing. I also have a first and middle name. They have been doing this for centuries. I stopped trying and hypenated it legally because it kept coming out that way in legal docs.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Are anti Obama partisans racists?

[-] 1 points by Dell (-168) 2 years ago

so how do they obtain a drivers license? look - if you cant figure out how to get an ID - then you probably cant figure out how to dress yourself in the morning & cant function at all.

[-] 0 points by RedSkyMorning (220) 2 years ago

The rate of mistakes on voter reg forms is like 30%. They check off that they are felons, ect all the time.

It is really unfair to expect people to spend months changing their names on all official government documents so they can vote because the system is ethnocentric.

[-] 0 points by Dell (-168) 2 years ago

hey if people are checking off wrong info on the form who's fault is that? are you kidding. name changes etc - you do that one & you are done with it. why are people changing their names besides marriage? sorry - if you want to vote - make the effort. we all make the effort in every other aspect of life why not voting?

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Are Anti Obama partisans racists?

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

Do you know that there are people who could not be born in hospitals because their parents were black and have never had and can't get a birth certificate? They have never been on an airplane, they don't have a checking account or a credit card. They don't have an iPhone or an iPad.They are poor black people who are citizens of the United States of America because they were born here and they are just as good as you.

Maybe you have led a sheltered life? Too sheltered? Were you born in a hospital? I was, and I was the only one of 7 who was. You should try on someone else's moccasins occasionally.

[-] -1 points by Dell (-168) 2 years ago

so basically these poor black citizens are so disparaged in 2012 that they cannot get themselves down to DMV for a non driver ID? Yet somehow manage to buy beer, cigarette's and fly on planes? Well then - better put out the word that you are volunteering free rides to the DMV for id's

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

Look up the word "disparaged." You are drooling on yourself.

[-] 0 points by Dell (-168) 2 years ago

I know what the word means. how does that defend your argument? maybe I like drooling on myself. What does that have to do with you being unable to defend your position?

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

It is not an appropriate use of the word. "to speak of or treat slightingly; depreciate; belittle: Do not disparage good manners."

"Do you know that there are people who could not be born in hospitals because their parents were black and have never had and can't get a birth certificate?" They can't get a birth certificate because there is NO RECORD of their birth. Blacks were not admitted to hospitals and no records of their births were recorded by any agency. Are they citizens? Yes. Are they of legal age. Yes. Can they provide a birth certificate? NO! It isn't because they can't get to the DMV. Could they provide a utility bill (which was all that has been required in the past)? Yes.

Apparently in addition to having a limited vocabulary, you have a reading comprehension deficiency. I explained that they can't get a picture ID which requires a birth certificate. My position was clearly defended.

And you certainly have a lack of empathy and humanity. Does the term class warfare mean anything to you? How about suppression of legal voters? Maybe a bib would help?

[-] 1 points by Dell (-168) 2 years ago

so when was the last time people were turned away from a hospital ? year please and suppotrting info

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

The Hill-Burton Act under which this was done was struck down by the courts in 1964. In the South, however, only 6% of hospitals offered Blacks services without restrictions; 31% did not admit Blacks under any conditions, even emergency; 47% had segregated wards for Whites and Blacks; and 16% had modified patterns of segregation that changed with the ratio of Whites and Blacks admitted at any one time.3

From a 2009 paper from a Dr at Minnesota and one from Boston University:http://people.bu.edu/chaozhou/ChaoZhou_BU_job%20market%20paper.pdf

The South was a deeply segregated society in the 1950s and early 1960s.

"This separation of the races extended to all areas of life, including the provision of health care in hospitals. When in need of hospital treatment a sick or injured African-American would have to find a “Blacks-only” facility, or face very limited accommodations in “Whites-only”institutions. The color line in hospital care was so rigid that even medical emergencies did not blur it. There is abundant anecdotal evidence that White hospitals refused outright to provide emergency care, or provided only a limited amount of care, to African-Americans in need (see below). This situation changed, however, in the mid-1960s when hospitals became racially integrated with the passage of Medicare at the federal level."

Welcome to America.

Here is another" http://libraries.theautry.org/2011/08/12/an-unexpected-but-pivotal-path-the-negros-whos-who-in-california-and-west-view-hospital/

"Through the first quarter of the 20th century, Los Angeles had developed a tenuous reputation as being a rather racially flexible city relative to the rest of the country. Despite the indicators of racial tolerance, however, healthcare options for African Americans in Los Angeles remained limited. Most African Americans tended to employ Black doctors in their neighborhoods to treat them within the privacy of their own homes; however, this could be quite expensive and only the county-owned hospitals reliably accepted African American patients. Some hospitals outright refused to admit any African American patients, but the majority of L.A. hospitals claimed to have their doors open to them. In reality, African Americans were often refused admittance based on bed availability since hospitals would often racially segregate patients either by room or by floor. Further, most hospitals refused to admit black doctors to their staffs or allow them admitting privileges."

[-] 0 points by Dell (-168) 2 years ago

born on the side of a road? are you kidding ? that's your argument of disenfranchisement lol? ENOUGH with the Jim Crow Crap which was perpetuated mostly by democrats by the way. Garbage.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

Jim Crow existed and it still does, (even in you) and it was perpetrated by Democrats, who were despicable, who have since moved to the GOP by the way (Nixon's southern strategy).

There are many more people who have been born outside of hospitals (segregated into whites only and for blacks - no hospital at all) and who don't have birth certificates, than the number who have voted fraudulently in the last two presidential elections. If the GOP didn't believe that they could prevent up to 5 million voters from voting (Dem), that wouldn't vote GOP, they wouldn't have gone to so much cost and effort to push this through every state legislature with a GOP governor. It certainly wasn't driven by evidence of fraud in significant numbers (show me). And it sure isn't a coincidence. Drafted by ALEC with Koch money. The only significant evidence of fraud was GOP rigged voting machines from Diebold, especially in Ohio. Not interested in that?

The GOP is only interested is solving non problems because when they fail, it isn't as obvious. e.g. by eliminating contraception and providing big government mandated Viagra they are on their way to causing many more unwanted pregnancies and therefore many moire abortions. Clever, no?

Are you kidding, ignorant or nefarious?

[-] 0 points by Dell (-168) 2 years ago

difficut to vote? it's easier than it's ever been what are you talking about. Is it that difficult to go to DMV & obtain a non driver ID?

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

Tghis is the last time I will explain this. Because they were excluded from hospitals they were born at home or with a midwife or along the road. And there was never any record of their birth. None. Ever try to get a driver's license or a passport without a birth certificate? It doesn't work.

Either you are just being deliberately obtuse (go look it up) or you are another example of our failing schools. Bottom line, votersupression is a deliberate attempt to prevent American citizens (who might vote against people who would try to prevent them from voting) from voting. And it is being done all across the country on a variety of pretexts (look it up) and using a plethora (look it up) of techniques and it is the most insidious (look it up) scheme since Jim Crow and you are complicit (look it up) in it. That is all I have to say to you.

[-] 0 points by Dell (-168) 2 years ago

and - hence people are no longer turned away from the ER.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

and there are still many people who find it impossible or difficult to meet more difficult requirements yet have every right to vote. Making voting more difficult for most people in order to make it impossible for the few who would vote illegally is probably not cost effective compared to attacking the deliberate cases of "stuffing" the ballot box like what happened in Ohio and other places by a conspiracy of the computerized voting machines vendors and the GOP in the past two elections.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

That's right the law should have treated everybody the same. But of course it didn't. That is called damages. What to do about damages? We could say, "Well, lets just forget about them.It would be inconvenient for me to make you whole so I would just like to pretend that it never happened and go from here.residual affects? I don't see any residual effects. Didn't affirmative action fix all of that? What do you mean, I should have my race be slaves for 100, or 150 or more years and then we can start fresh as if it never happened? I don't like that idea much at all."

[-] 0 points by BLOWCHUNKS (43) 2 years ago

You cannot reward someone economically without damaging another person. To take from someone and give to another based on the race of the people involved is undebatable.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

Well start with real damage and figure out how you make things right. Saying "too bad." is not making things right. Allowing the perpetrator of the damage unilaterally decide what makes the victim(s) whole isn't justice. Justice is a system that is as fair to the victim and the perpetrator as possible so that those who are neither can project themselves into either position and feel the same level of discomfort. The estate of an individual contains both assets and liabilities. Those who are the heirs inherit both the assets and the liabilities. Don't tell me what isn't fair. Tell me what is fair.

[-] 0 points by BLOWCHUNKS (43) 2 years ago

Who is the perpetrator of racial injustice in modern America? Who should be doing the paying?

What is not fair is giving people preferential treatment based on their race, such as the Obama's daughters, while ignoring their economic background.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

"perpetrators" maybe you don't get it because you don't want to get it? Cultural anthropology exists as a field of study. But like physics, you have to be interested in it and you have to have some aptitude.

If you are willing to risk your prejudice and spend the years, I wish you luck in finding the knowledge required to answer your questions..Einstein said, "Things should be as simple as possible but not simpler." It is true in culture, sociology and anthropology. I don't think this is the place to expect an education in those fields. You want to reduce the relevant facts to what has happened in the last 6 minutes, figuratively, and that is too simplistic.

[-] 0 points by BLOWCHUNKS (43) 2 years ago

lol good answer.

I didn't think you had anything to say. Nice filler

Yes! Fulfill MLK's dream! Judge people based on the color of their skin! Baa-aaah!

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

Comic books are also nice. Oh, and what was your username before you switched to this one, sweetcheeks?

[-] -1 points by BLOWCHUNKS (43) 2 years ago

We weren't talking about that. However, you are correct. 1%ers do in fact have significant advantages in the economic department, which is precisely my point. Affirmative action laws make judgments about people based on the color of their skin, not their socioeconomic background. If someone was denied a job, and the job was given to someone with a lower previous income, that would at least be somewhat fair. Affirmative action laws force employers to ignore that rational judgment, instead awarding people jobs and opportunities based on skin color. Completely flies in the face of civil rights and MLK's dream.

[-] 3 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

MLK's dream was that we would get to point where everyone was judged by their character. While he didn't say much about how other factors weighted into the situation. you could say when every segment of a population has comparable income profiles on each job classification, that it would be reasonable to then judge prospective employees by their character and income history..

But when, in every job classification, a specific group earns 30% less for the same work than most or all other groups earn, it shows that the system still hasn't achieved fairness. At that point do you say, "Too bad, I hope it gets better for you in a hundred years or so"? Or do you try to correct the system? The job market isn't homogeneous, is it? When it is, your point would be valid.

[-] -1 points by BLOWCHUNKS (43) 2 years ago

ZenDog, not that it matters.

Let's make some more socioeconomic judgments about strangers based on the color of their skin! Yay!

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

As ZenDog you had a reputation. As BLOWCHUNKS? Not with me.

I think the first minority with significant advantages is the 1%ers.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Sullied is perfectly valid. I mean the trolls do have access to a dictionary. So they can have an opportunity to learn. The real supporters of the movements against corruption are quite well educated.

[-] 3 points by brightonsage (1409) 1 hour ago

I have had some good exchanges with ZenDog. He should not be sullied (Is this a word that can still be used?). ↥like ↧dislike permalink

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Trolls hate ZenDog. Even though he has stopped contributing to this site. They still feel the need to discredit him. He has a lot of good posts, with lots of good material. They are still here.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (1409) 0 minutes ago

Flying under false colors, eh? ↥like ↧dislike permalink

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

I have had some good exchanges with ZenDog. He should not be sullied (Is this a word that can still be used?).

[-] -1 points by VantagePoint250624 (-51) 2 years ago

Of course he doesn't still "contribute" under various names!

Of course you and yours would be blind to his rabid hate monging.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

That POS has nothing to do with ZenDog.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (1413) 24 minutes ago

As ZenDog you had a reputation. As BLOWCHUNKS? Not with me.

I think the first minority with significant advantages is the 1%ers. ↥like ↧dislike permalink

[-] 0 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

Flying under false colors, eh?

[-] 1 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

the holder run justice dept. doesn't.

[-] 2 points by RedSkyMorning (220) 2 years ago

I was thinking about a comment I made earlier. Er should just automatically enfrachise everyone of voting age and drop the registration process. Much easier.

[-] 2 points by Rebdem (71) 2 years ago

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[-] -2 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

Mostly for people that spend a lot of time standing on their heads?

[-] 0 points by Rebdem (71) 2 years ago

yes for people who have upside down views

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

Racists do have a rather upside down view of things, don't they?

Did you view the video?

Racism seems to be a badge of honor among the conse(R)vatives.

[-] 0 points by Rebdem (71) 2 years ago

nah i think those people just latch onto that party because they dont have enough support for their own.

i saw the photo of the bumper sticker and i just blew it off because people are allowed to think like that

[-] 1 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Saw a PBS doc on the origins of us modern Homo Sapiens, and it turns out we all have some DNA from those extinct cavemen morons Neanderthals ~ except peoples that resided in Africa. Oooops!!

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

To be honest, there is no proof that they were morons, just unable adapt. They actually had larger brains.

Sound familiar?

[-] 0 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Mongoloids have lager brains. I don't think Neanderthals mastered language and other advances. But it seems love was blind.

I think it's perfect irony that racist fucks who think they are superior to blacks (with whom they are genetically identical) might have DNA remnants of true inferiority. Ever see a black Hillbilly Taliban?

[-] 1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Still think it's not racism?

Think again. Here's on on the "other".


[-] 1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

It's a religion to this guy.


Hopefully, the rest of Texas thinks he's crazy too.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

On that article link (?) the store sign in Finland (?) - they probably will wish that didn't get out on the internet - they may get some unwanted folk tryin to emigrate.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

The Finns aren't that stupid.....:)

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Think they might quarantine them?

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Just give them an intelligence test.

As soon as they read the part about man co-existing with dinosaurs?

They'll send 'em back to Tennessee, Texas, whereever.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

OH - for a second there I thought you might say they would be sent to a zoo.

[-] 1 points by dreamingforward (394) from Tacoma, WA 1 year ago

Well, here's the deal. I'm guessing you probably aren't actually African. If you're not, you probably shouldn't be saying much because the issue is more complex than anyone understands and has to do with the separation between calendar systems and the "races" that they represent at this critical period in human history.

If you are, talk to me because I can help you out of your confusion about why you ended up in the Judeo-Christian storyline. There's a lot of alien stuff happening as evil tries to hide itself.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

I'm not sure what post you are referring to.

The color of my skin is not important, I know bigotry when I see it.

Aliens and evil?

Sounds like a B movie to me.

[-] 1 points by dreamingforward (394) from Tacoma, WA 1 year ago

That's my point: you don't knowit like you think. What you see are polarizations caused by the inability for black and white to occupy the same space at the same time. Depending on which world you belong to, you won't be able to make sense of what's happening.

But if you're black, you need to know that you a innocent victim of a great evil and your world is Atlantis. The Big Bang that those in the Christian calendar know of, is your story.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Are you Bigfoot?

Or an agent of Bigfoot?

Or just attempting to confuse?

There is nothing in your post I can use

Be not so obtuse.

[-] 1 points by dreamingforward (394) from Tacoma, WA 1 year ago

Well, this is the unfortunate reality: the truth is stranger than fiction and even less easy to believe. You can keep the blue pill.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

You should probably lay off the pills for a while.

Good idea.

I'm gonna pet my cat instead.

[-] -1 points by ZenDog (13220) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago


I have big feet, if that helps . . .

. . . . but . . . .


There are no aliens

It's just another lie

Told by actors on a stage


[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

I've enjoyed those movies since I quit being frightened by them as a child.

Hey, I had two big brothers!

Now-a-days the aliens are just CGI.

I think I wrote a haiku up there though. I hope that guy is worth it.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13220) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

Zen Haiku is less rigid in its syllabic structure . . .

Some of the alien movies are interesting. They generally break out into two groups - those depicting the aliens as friendly, those depicting them as hostile. Some blur the distinction.

What is interesting is the way in which these movies contribute symbolicly to the intense debate over the research and use of technology - via Hollywood - and that whether the writers and producers intend it or not.

It's become part of the culture.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

I've just embarked on reading Asimov's Foundation novels.

It's like brain candy.......................:)

No aliens, so far.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13220) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I've read a little Asimov - but it was a long time ago.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Asimov is one of the best writers this country has ever produced.

Like DK said, it's thought provoking, and there's not a vampire in sight.....:)

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13220) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

Bradbury had a couple of short stories I really liked as a kid. I had a few phases, but I can't think of one that really stands out now.

I never could understand louis l'amour or some horror writer who was no better in terms of story development - can't remember his name, but for some reason he did sell books - curious.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Ben Bova is the writer I've been reading since my youth.

He's still at it, last of the old guard. His latest work is a series on the planets.

I've read a couple, so far.....Good stuff.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13220) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I haven't read a whole lot the last couple of years - reading glasses kinda suck. I mostly stick with the paper these days. And that has been hit or miss lately.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

I guess that's the blessing nearsightedness......:)

I need 'em to focus my camera, but I can read without them.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8689) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago
[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yeah I read those - long long time ago now - very good series - Asimov also tends to make you think while you go through the stories. ( correction - he makes you think to get through the stories ).

[-] 1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

I find reading helps keep my brain oiled.

I can't play politics all day, you know.........:)


[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Hey I hear ya. Like you said brain candy. Let the mind go on a brief vacation now and then - run across new concepts and different perspectives - quite fun and relaxing. Give the imagination some free playtime. I think I have read about 50 books since Jan 1st.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

I keep it varied, last several months have seen me read stuff from Grisham to Koontz, but I've always had a soft spot for good sci-fi..

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yep - I've read some Grisham and Clancy - I like the political intrigue and military ops stories - also the who done-it types if they are clever enough like the DaVincci code was a good one. But I have always had a soft spot for good sci-fi as it presents so many dreams of future possibilities and interesting technologies.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Yep that's the one, and the book is much, much better.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Tis the way of it - but the movie was pretty good so - I will look forward to the book. {:-])

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Get Shorty

Rum Punch

The Switch

Jackie Brown

The genre is crime novels.

Nothing ever goes right for his criminals, and he has a way with language.

Try one of those I've listed.....You'll like it.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Thanks I will - Get Shorty - is that where they got the material for the movie with Gene Hackman and Johnny Travolta?

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Elmore "Dutch" Leonard.

I used to love his stuff. There's never a super hero to worry about.......:)

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

The name does not ring a bell - any titles I might know?

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8689) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Zen? Motorcycles.

Who owns us, or things we make?

Ah! Storytellers.

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13220) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I've read that book. I do believe the author was one of the early victims of research into psych warfare techniques.

Surely those who were involved are still alive. It would make a great place to begin. Some must remain consumed with guilt over participation in something they did not fully comprehend until much later.

I would, with mild sympathy and implacable resolve, pry beneath that guilt in a public forum. I would pry and I would pry. We would have such a parade of somber, guilt ridden souls the entire nation would tremble.

Then would come the loud protestations of innocence. There would only be few - their din would dim quickly once their eyes came to rest firmly upon our resolve. Faced with the utter certainty of eternity yawning before them their protestations would indeed cease, and they would confess all.

Only then would we begin to entertain any kind of mercy, and who can say how brief such entertainment might be . . . .

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8689) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

yo, I just thought you were worth a haiku,

I think we rely on fiction to explain things that have not yet happened and things some what complex. I think it's good the storytellers are there.

Pirsig's life was one I could not want, but it ended well, or at least I like to think so. opps like Twain rumors of his death.....

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13220) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

That was a haiku. The question mark - you got me.

And um . . . thanks.

we rely on fiction to explain things that have not yet happened and things some what complex

There is a specific kind of fiction - the allegorical - where the use of symbolism serves to provide a framework and context for a discussion that would not otherwise be possible due to political pressure and public denial.

The use of the allegorical has become highly relevant to today's society.

I think that is a problem.

It's time for some straight talk. I am I confess quite obsessed with the need.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8689) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I think I understand, but remember Kirk kissed Uhura.

All tools must be used, I try to learn from all I see, and sometimes it happens.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13220) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

All dysfunctional relationships revolve around a simple dynamic - a kick and a kiss - this circle continues until something changes. Often the parties involved lack the ability to change or to break the cycle without intervention. Even then both parties must be willing to look at reality if they are to effect change.

Kinda impossible, when the question what is real remains the center piece of discussion.

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

partisan drivel,. .

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago
[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

They have to lie to defend what is staring them in the face.

I notice there is no comment on the 17yr old boy shot dead in Florida. A State so corrupt, the Feds will have to investigate, while the shooter is still free.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (2240) 2 years ago

Welfare is creating a divide in this nation and wall street is the one behind it - when the unemployed can't buy products those on welfare still can ( it allows them to cut jobs in droves and still have consumers - on the tax payers dime.) Unfortunately many of the welfare stereotypes are living large and are quite easy to witness. When you see people with two carriage loads of meat while you are checking out with your Ramen noodles you're going to notice it. There is a responsibility of the government to check the system for fraud but they refuse (left and right) because it is benefiting Wall Street. The same way there are no checks on government contracts or road work or state unions. The taxpayers have a right to be bitter about it - and it creates animosity among races and against welfare in general. How many times do you have to bare witness to fraud by a specific race before it's easy to blame one race and divide people? Really these questions aren't racist that's the illusion - it's about fraud committed against the taxpayer (same as Wall Street is doing that isn't stopped.) Wall Street commits their fraud behind closed doors but when someone is reselling two carriage loads of meat in a parking lot after you were behind them in line and saw the EBT card your going to notice and feel pissed especially when your pretty hungry and tired from working all day. It also keeps the cost of groceries higher than they should be - the same is happening in states that have Section 8 rentals (rents are much higher than they should be because the government guarantees the landlords market rate money.) I'm not saying someone shouldn't take help when they need it - but it does it not quickly qualify as greed when people take more than they need and also fraud the working class? This is dividing the poor and the working class and creating a diversion off of Wall Street. Whenever I get into these discussions with people (welfare is always a key-counter argument) and maybe that's because it's not as off-base as we are eager to believe. Is it difficult to believe in greed from all walks of life?

[-] 1 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

This is a different argument elf3, or are saying that's it's only when a person of color has the cart full that it's a problem.

I'm talking about blatant racism here. Not welfare.

What do you think of that bumper sticker?

[-] 1 points by elf3 (2240) 2 years ago

I'm saying when a person of color has the carriage load of meat that they're reselling maybe some white people have a knee jerk reaction because it's already a stereotype (though probably one for a reason) (Me - I also notice white people doing this too btw in droves - though it's all fat woman and usually their boyfriends are with them to help resell it - not judging just an observation) ps I am a woman here so don't judge me as a sexist... it's also only people with kids who are qualifying for food stamps. Observation and calling people on their bullshit is not the same thing as racism. Being black doesn't make someone an untouchable when they're doing things that are wrong. - but I guess even pointing that out means I'm somehow racist? It's wrong no matter who is doing it = my point. But you chose to divide the scenario - does that make you a divisive racist? Yes

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

It's still a different argument.

How did you feel about the bumper sticker?

[-] 0 points by elf3 (2240) 2 years ago

o C'mon let's all cut around the bullshit here and stop tip-toeing around people like they have a handi-cap - you're a big boy shooz why are you defending greed and fraud - out of a sense of solidarity ? your all affirmative action and screw whitey - where is your sense of solidarity with the people who are getting fucked by the system (from all races?) we should be in this together but yet "your people have it worse than my people" yankity yank blah blah stands in the way of the underlying issues = exactly what I'm trying to point out - stop defending fraud or greed out of a sense of solidarity because you're not talking poor you're only talking about black. It's very easy for Wall Street to continue to benefit from these subsidies when all they have to do is cry racism when the tax payers become inflamed.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

Excuse me?

The only one in avoidance is you.

What do you think about the bumper sticker?

The question is not that complicated.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (2240) 2 years ago

sorry i didn't click it - I like it (let's face it if we have to choose between wall streets little bitches and Obama) we don't have a choice - I'm not really a fan of his lately despite having voted for him because I read his bills and he's done an awful lot of corporate gifting. His talk is not matching his action - I've lost trust - does he know people actually read the bills? Is he using Regan as his guide?

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

So, without clicking the link, you like the racist bumper sticker.

Good to know. See you around.

[-] 0 points by elf3 (2240) 2 years ago

OMG - yes I'm a flaming racist that voted for Obama as president - and no I think the bumper sticker is not racist - it's funny and probably created by his fans and other black people as a joke - whatever shooz Racism is turning into the new McCarthyism - it's getting ridiculous and eventually it's going to be like crying wolf - and real racism will be discounted - very unfortunately and as a woman I take great offense to your insinuation that all woman are stupid and don't think before they post

[-] 1 points by elf3 (2240) 2 years ago

ahh haa also I read it as re-nig 2012 (didn't notice the don't) yeah it might be racist but that doesn't mean everyone is - just that asshole - So make one that says re-nig 2012 that actually would be funny

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

exponentially more money is lost to fraud up top to the rich

the poor just want to eat

here's a solution

give everybody food stamps

[-] 1 points by elf3 (2240) 2 years ago

well some of them have enough food to sell it off to their friends very cheaply and to fill the local bodegas - I'd say that's more than they could ever need. How about crack down on the fraud and allow food costs to come down to where they naturally would be if everyone wasn't being subsidized to buy it (when it's on the tax-payer, no one cares about the price they're paying for it "hmm $20.00 for a jar of peanut butter oh well it's not out of my pocket" uncle Sam has the tab and Stop and Shop benefits win win for the poor and Wall Street but not so much for the working poor.)

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

stop threatening inflation and fed the people

[-] 1 points by elf3 (2240) 2 years ago

I'm trying to create a permanent fix and feed people permanently. Take a closer look at the system at work and tell me how it's fair that someone can get 3 carriage loads of meat while not working with EBT but a working poor person can't afford food - these are part of the Wall Street spectrum dis-order the poor are not united with the working poor because they probably make more money an hour and aren't hurting as badly. This creates a divide and a problem for Occupy which I'm part of and which I want to see succeed. Subsidies are only numbifying the people. It's not a fix but yet they don't care because they've got their band-aid paid for by the working poor. What happens when the working poor go belly up? And the middle class goes belly up - who is going to pay for the poor then?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

low paying jobs don't pay enough

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

food is good

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

No, I'm sure all that BS about Obama's birth certificate wasn't rooted in bigotry. God knows our fearless Christian heartland would engage in something so sorted as racism and cooked-up, invidious, religious hatred. Their ethical standards have long since progressed beyond that! Not to mention their level of actual, Vs. fundamentalist, "education!"

If the results wouldn't be inevitably catastrophic I would gladly leave the "red states" to fend for themselves. They would be a third world country in three years, and be begging for a passport to the part of the country that is capable of functioning. Sometimes I think it is really those people who need affirmative action. I've never seen people who take such pride in their own ignorance.

Their reputation for ignorance isn't national, it's global, and yet they never admit they're wrong about ANYTHING.

If it were not for that uttely misplaced arrogance I would have a lot more sympathy for them, and even suggest they recieve affirmative action. But the supressed blacks show a lot more promise. At least they still have a lot of fight left in them, and don't wallow in perpetual self-pity.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

You could see it in his eyes and hear it in his voice and even in his body language, during the presidential debates when McCain referred to Obama as, "that one".

I've met enough of them in real life, to know they are real, and most are willfully ignorant.

[-] 1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

what difference does it make when there are no JOBS to fight over???

[-] 1 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

No shooz dear,.............the opposition to obama and his administration is about IDEOLOGY, not skin color.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

No. The opposition is because he's a non-member of the master race.

You missed the bumper sticker too.

And that's very ugly

[-] 0 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

it's about IDEOLOGY , not race. what would be your feeeling if obama was a repbulican? how would you react to the things he and his and administation have done and are doing?

[-] 0 points by mediaauditr (-88) 2 years ago

Just look to how the libs reacted to Herman Cain, that's how they react to a conservative black man. HATE them. Smear them like they were cream cheese on a bagel.

[-] 1 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

dont you know that blacks are not allowed to be conservative? they hate allan west too.

[-] -1 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

Forget get it. They can't defend Obama so they have to resort to screaming racist! Apparently you aren't allowed to disagree with black people. And by the same retarded thinking if you don't vote for a black candidate you are also a racist. This is what passes for thinking in white liberals.

[-] 1 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

you're correct !!!!!!

[-] 1 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

Not really. This is called (R)epelican'ts refusing to see the proof in front of their face.

The sticker is real.

You're reasoning is false.

[-] -1 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

Yes really. You know I'm speaking the truth. You liberals really do think that way.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

Ignoring the reality of the bumper sticker is the truth to you?

Ignoring reality must be a condition of (R)epelican'tism.

There could be no other explanation.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

I had a bumper sticker that read NO WAR

in 2002 or 2003, someone smashed one of my car windows

[-] 0 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

i sw the so called bumper sticker. you don't know if its real or not. you don''t know if it's done by the libs to inflame. you don't know if it's been photo shopped.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

You haven't proven it isn't either.

It wouldn't matter much anyway, as it's gone viral, which is telling in itself.

I've also, actually heard (R)epelican'ts say pretty much the same thing.


[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

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[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Actually, it isn't about race since that was a concept created in the 1800's in Europe to focus individuals (the masses) on the illusion that there truly are differences (per labels) of human beings, or that one culture of people is truly better than the other!. Once an individual raises their thoughts to a higher level, the realization of what truly constitutes "race" is usually revealed, there is no such thing, except perhaps the Human Race...as a whole! It is about oppression, the rich and the poor, the haves and the have not. Once a person realizes that All Races have been and are being oppressed then, one (many) can move this earth to a greater humanitarian position. As for affirmative action....it's a crock and those who keep track of it or say they are supporters of it...have sold the nations out for their own greed and payoffs...all is interconnected with the large Corporations and the bigger the payoff, the more Affirmative action turns a blind eye...it's laughable!! If the truth were told...there would be no need for Affirmative Action. This country has been sold out to the highest bidder folks and we have all been pawns in that game!!

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

But you're not a racist are you?

[-] -1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 1 year ago

Huh? What actually is a racist? Let's see, part of my family comes from Ireland, part comes from Germany, part comes from Nigeria and other areas of Africa, part comes from the Caribbean, and another part comes from Great Britain and Spain and other areas of Asia.. So. like most individuals, I could probably label myself as part of one "alleged" race or another, but as all of the human race, I only have ONE MOTHER AND ONE FATHER.
So, how can I possibly be a racist when my DNA contains all of that which is contained within the human race and exists in my bloodline?

So, the true question is...what's in your DNA? How many of you are willing to tell the truth on that?

My point is...evil is not prerequisite to man....we are witnesses to the results of it as the choice from individual desires....no puzzle on that is it?.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I guess if you don't know what a racist is, it isn't fair to expect you to answer.

Thanks anyway.

[-] 0 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 1 year ago

You asked me if I was a racist....not if I understood or knew what a racist is, correct? Why do you all try to misconstrue your questions to present a more negative frame of reference, I wonder?

My response indicated that I, as an individual cannot be a racist. I can dislike a person due to their nastiness, bigotry or hatred of others, but that does not make me a racist. It would indicate that I care about human life, men, women and children, per se and appreciate the differences of individuals in a positive way. Now, if a person chooses to do the above (meanness, hatred, etc.) to individuals because of their place of origin, color of their skin or perhaps religious views, or a culture that is different from their own.....then YES...they are racist! I am not!

Now, as I always say, enlightened and truly intelligent beings have no time to entertain such false antiquated beliefs! It is a waste of our pure universal energy! NEXT!

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Oh! So you are not a racist. Great. that wasn't too difficult.


[-] 0 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 1 year ago

Good Grief.......LOL!!!

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Well, it was a simple questions. You went round & round a bit & that concerned me, but eventually after 2 posts and a few paragraphs you finally stated you were not.

Good for you.


[-] -1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 1 year ago

Actually I was answering the beginning question of this post. Now, I wanted you to know why I am not a liar when I say the things that I do.

For Example: Affirmative Action was created to back up the illusion that there actually exists a SUPERIOR RACE!
When in reality, no one truly addresses that fake ass Bull shyt! Why is that I ask? To maintain the mental slavery that exists in everyone...perhaps?

Now on that note....Truly..we all should LOL!

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

So Affirmative action- no good?

[-] -1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 1 year ago

Actually, as I stated before, Affirmative Action is a veil, a cloak, a cover up.

When the government stops being run by the few wealthy families, and the Corporate Wall Streeters, then the truth can reign.

Understand history.

In 1776, July 4th, the Declaration of Independence states: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,"
Perhaps it should have been noted that this was meant for the Pale skin Europeans, and not the slaves? Where is the truth in this document concerning the original people on these shores who were put into slavery at that time? Then there is the 14th and the 15th Amendments of 1868 and 1869 which ensures the rights for 'BLACKS' etc.(?) Why was this necessary? Then AFFIRMATIVE ACTION over 100 years later?
Something is wrong with this picture.

My question is who is entitled to equality, protections, birthrights and nationality recognition under any of these documents in reality and who is really benefiting from these documents?

If these laws have been enacted, why are they not being followed correctly? It's all rhetoric and bull shyt my man!

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

"Affirmative Action is a veil, a cloak, a cover up" Of what?

[-] -1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 1 year ago

First answer this....who is entitled to equality, protections, birthrights and nationality recognition under these documents and in reality who is really benefiting and what have they benefitted?

If these laws were enacted, prior to 1960, then why are they not being followed correctly?
As stated: "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

So in reality, what social problem is Affirmative Action actually addressing? Where did the Birthrights go of the people?

Now, when the truth about those issues are confirmed, then you will have well.answered your own question.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

"naive"? insulting me is not necessary. I'm not insulting you.

If asking you to explain your comments means I will be insulted I will move on to a more respectful commenter.

Good day sir!

[-] -2 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 1 year ago

Wah! Wah! Wah!

Good gravy baby~~

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

"condescending"? how? I don't deserve this insult.

"So, you mean to tell me your parents, grandparents, elders, relatives, community and schools never discussed SLAVERY with you? Nor the actual facts regarding the original people on this land and the controversy surrounding them? Surely you jest?"

I never said that. Where did you get that from? Please stick with the truth. and Reality. Thanks

"no reason to be on this forum"? Why not?. Because I don't understand your comments? Because I ask? because you refuse to answer? Do you have some authority in deciding this?

"scared"? Of what? You're not makin sense. What in my comments indicates fear?

"like most your kind"? What kind is that?

You don't have to respond you don't really make sense to me.

[-] -1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 1 year ago

You refuse to face facts and resist getting to the point of this conversation.. Do you understand any of the documents that have been presented to you, by myself as the very essence and proof to the answer to the questions you continue to ask of me.....as if I run this country, or are you really that naiive?

I am not trying to insult you but if you want to engage in Adult rhetoric, you must give adult answers....OK? I gave my answers, but you run away, have no real answers and continue to lash back at me as if I have given you some alien outerspace illusionary twilight zone responses. How old are you? Were you ever educated in the art of Debate? It doesn't seem like it...

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Thanks anyway.

[-] -2 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 1 year ago

A bit condescending aren't we? LOL!

So, you mean to tell me your parents, grandparents, elders, relatives, community and schools never discussed SLAVERY with you? Nor the actual facts regarding the original people on this land and the controversy surrounding them? Surely you jest?

I guess you really have no reason to be on this forum then, now do you? Or are you just plain scared (like most of your kind) to admit the truth?

Hey, I'm getting off your merry-go-round of BS right about now, so communicate with yourself, that's what most people in denial do anyway! Peace!

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I know all republicans aren't racists. But aren't all racists republicans?

You aren't a racist right?

[-] -1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 1 year ago

Peace to you alwaysll! It is finished!

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Why are you so mean spirited! Do you cometo abuse people 'cause in the real world you can't stand up for yourself?

This is a place where debate is best served by positive contributions.


[-] -1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 1 year ago

I agree, but mean spirited? How can that be when you and I have not engaged in any debates whatsoever? You keep running away and dodging my responses.....I don't understand why you can't understand that. You keep asking the same questions over and over, yet, you get angry at me because you cannot grasp the reality of this alleged racial problem and concept within my answers to you. So, tell me....is that my fault? Peace to you always as well! It is finished!

[-] 1 points by aflockofdoofi (-18) 2 years ago

Consider what happened in California -- a state with a very high Asian population of about 13 percent -- in late 1996. Voters passed Proposition 209, a referendum that essentially revoked Affirmative Action measures and deemed that entry into public colleges -- including the huge University of California (UC) system -- should be entirely race-blind.

"A direct consequence of this was that the percentage of Asian-Americans at universities like Berkeley, UC-Irvine, and UCLA immediately skyrocketed," said Stephen D.H. Hsu, a professor of physics at the University of Oregon in Eugene. "At those institutions, the Asian-American representation currently approaches 50 percent."

Not surprisingly, the passage of "209" led to a political backlash and resentment against Asian-Americans -- from whites, but particularly from African-Americans and Hispanics, who saw their numbers plunge at these institutions."

[-] -1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Where are the institutions that teach the truth about this country, it's policies, and how it got started and where the financial gain came from to initiate this great REPUBLIC? Now, that to me is more important than any dumb azz Affirmative Action plan that could ever exist. These programs eliminate the possibilities of any nation within a nation to be recognized or grow within their own cultural basis. It demands that these cultures have the need to assimilate and copy the "master race" which wants to continue running the show, which to me is a crock of shyt! Take that Affirmative Action funding and idealism and let each and every culture create for themselves their own God given right to exist and foundation so as to be a recognized nation within a nation.. It was done before, it can be done again.. Hatred is the only reason Affirmative Action exists...Take the power out of the hands of Wall Street and the Corporations...and there will be no need for this fakery concept of cultures having the inability to do for self!!!


[-] -1 points by Dumpthechump (96) 2 years ago

Greetings Neuwurldodr!

I certainly agree that "Hatred is the only reason AA exists". This is because AA was forced on Johnson since he was trying to fight in Vietnam too and needed social peace at home.

The true issue underlying it is the question of differential tertiary entrances and the culture that underlies the desire to work towards such tertiary studies. These are very different in different community groups.

These facts were known from the 1930s though.- IQ tests which showed an unambiguous IQ-test gap of about 14-18 between blacks and whites and a further 5-6 points in favor of Asians (this latter being a later finding, requiring more testing of more people).

The question is: what is the origin of these IQ differences? The point is that the USA cannot, INHERENTLY, answer or even afford to answer this question. (Asians all have an answer and readily tell me: almost all tell me it is cultural - very few support Lee Kwan Yu's racial superiority notion).

For example: if the difference is cultural, this is a form of black oppression (even though it certainly includes community- and self-oppression by blacks) and can only be treated by measures far more (left-wing type) radical than AA!

Conversely if IQ test results are primarily genetically based then this is an excellent argument that the WRONG side won the Civil War and that the USA is once again facing unprecedented internal strife.

Merely stating that "it is a bit of both" merely evades the problem in the interests of the existing elite. Yet it is a question that demands an answer rather than being swept under the carpet - which is the usual USA response in the wake of Malcolm X and the Cyril Burt scandal, when IQ tests were quietly discounted across the world.

Still, if one will not deal with the IQ-issue underlying AA, one will soon be so stressed and repressed that one will start to need that other AA (Alcoholics Anonymous)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[-] -1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Well, from days of lore, and I do mean lore...Most intelligent individuals know about the falseness of an IQ test since it was created in order to help identify students (in France, in 1904) who would require extra help in school, nothing more and nothing less...Yet, as most elitists of European descent do, it began to emerge as a basis here and across the globe to create another caste system as to who may be superior (intellectually) to those who (questionablly) are not.. For example...I have a very high IQ, (or so I have been labeled as such, since I love to read and learn) but until I began educating myself, I realized that this caste system is very inherent in this great country of the USA, culturally, educationally, religiously, and economically. It fails to give the identity of many aspects of this nation, including its inception and what was found, hidden and oftentimes destroyed, when the "newcomers" arrived here. Perhaps education, reading, writing, etc was part of the indoctrination in a different language. Yet, none of this information was ever introduced into the school system of cultures that were considered "different" and a set form of indoctrination was given to the nationalities on these shores. So, who were these people who lived on this continent thousands and thousands of years ago and left great structures and a civilization etched in time with great works and documents that formed a basis of this society? Why were names of nations eradicated, and these nations made to assimilate into this strange newcomers existence?. Does assimilation into a foreign society mean that the individual is less intelligent than others of the society he is supposed to imitate? I think not!!!! So, you see, as far as an IQ label goes, that really has nothing to do with TRUTH. Just like race identification...it is all a crock of shyt!!! So, on that note, I rest my case.... As for Affirmative Action.... Perhaps, until this systematic oppression with its racist behavior. indoctrination and lack of intellectual tolerance, is eradicated, it is a necessary evil, but in Truth...in its reality...it too is a crock of shyt!

[-] 0 points by Dumpthechump (96) 2 years ago

Very good on attacking the racism issue but your attack on caste is too broad brush.

Caste can take many forms - and a caste system that will work will be an elective one where people choose the preferred caste for themselves, one based on character.

Now I realize that this will only be established after much global strife. However, as you peel away the lies of racism, AA, capitalist control of resources (with most US capitalists being disproportionately white) - with the identification of IQ as a mere quantification of social oppresssion and not a sign of genetic inferiority, those without will become more enraged than ever.

The present solution is more 'drugs' than ever - not just the ingested material - but religion, pornography and all sorts of distractions to keep the poor poor and distracted. Hence OWS is threatened by being sidelined into a distraction - but only time will tell.

But why is it no one wants to speak of Malcolm X?

[-] -1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Because Malcom X became enlightened. He changed a lot of his views and ideas after he traveled to Mecca. So, if anyone wants to speak of him, they should first understand the transitions he went through in life... He was not afraid to grow and did a lot of self-soul searching, quite unlike a lot of individuals who maintain one mind set all their lives. I admire him, as many other men who tried to get the masses to understand their own slave mentalities... Why doesn't anyone speak of Marcus Garvey? He saw the handwriting on the wall back in the day, but everyone wanted to label him crazy. So, how did he know this day was coming?

[-] 1 points by Dumpthechump (96) 2 years ago

In the case of Marcus Garvey he lived too far back in time to see the mess that the "Back to Africa" movement created in Sierra Leone and Liberia. Wealthy ex-American black colonists. Poor black natives. The mess in those countries continues. Malcolm X did not become tied up in the swamp there and realized that US blacks had to do things in the USA instead.

[-] -1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

I agree, but most mis-interpret Marcus Garvey since his statements referred to Africa here and Africa abroad. Most don't understand that his was a hope of a nation, within a nation, as descendants, the Asiatics here in America would be able to create a broader sense of self-reliance, trade with other countries, such as Africa. He also appealed to the European (whites) here at that time to mend their ways, otherwise everything, including the Asiatics here in America, would be out of their control and this oppression would become their own demise....Now.....look around! I think OW is a powerful movement, but the issues OW is addressing has been around since the inception of this "great Nation"..Nothing new up under the Sun! The problem I find on this forum is that people try to pretend it never happened!!!

[-] 1 points by Dumpthechump (96) 2 years ago

Yes, the issues are perennial but what is new is that we have to find a very different way of sharing out resources. I'm impressed with what you say about Marcus Garvey since I did not realize he had looked at the larger issues.

We certainly did have a better system in the West 30-50years ago but this was merely due to capitalist-generated abundance (plus fear of the opposition).

I am part-black myself but the black ancestor (not African American but South African) must be six or seven generations back. It took me many years to realize this since I had been told and seen on a birth certificate that my great-grandmother was of French descent from Mozambique, though her birth-name was of Afrikaner origin.

I too hope that OWS and its allies can get somewhere but there are so many issues that need firm starting points - and the race issue sure is one of these!

[-] -1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Once again...well said...There is so much at stake that OW cannot possibly handle it all, or by any measure address all the issues this country has created. I know what it is like to have family members straddle the fence and pretend to be something other than what they are, in origin and in ideologies... Yet, what is interesting is the fact that the playing field has finally been leveled, and the more racism comes to the forefront of this great nation, the more it has to be addressed....whether we believe it or not..it is inevitable. That is why it is important for individuals to also look at the bigger picture...nations within nations, since who in their right mind wants to be destroyed because of the lies and illusions created in the past?

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

I've been telling you, for a while now.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

everyone knows that Bush Obama Romney WAR on Terror is an excuse to keep killing

[-] -1 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Everyone knows you're a RepubliCon zombie op!

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Racism is all around us.

From retailers to presidential politics, to deny it, or minimize it, is disingenuous at the very least.

Dangerous in reality.

[-] 1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

Who's denying it?

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Several people in this thread alone have done that, or attempted to minimize it.

I guess you should held your knee and actually perused the thread.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

You prefer those with Stockholm syndrome?

[-] 1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

I prefer non racists.

Who do you mean by "those"?

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Whatever you prefer.

As far as your first statement?

That remains to be seen, and it doesn't look good.

[-] 1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

I'm confused. Who has Stockholm syndrome?

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago


That's why you're so confused.

Unable to correctly interpret what you see all around you.

[-] 1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

How can anyone deny it? Did you hear about that girl in LA who was set on fire by racists? Disgusting.

[-] -1 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

And we'll most likely see another wave of it after Tuesday.

I just can't believe we are still here after all we went through in the 60s. I just can't believe it!!!

[-] 0 points by Chaoleo (0) 1 year ago

It's clearly still about race for some people. If and when race is brought up by proponents of both sides of the political spectrum its usually a manipulative tactic to distract from the truly important issues. But it absolutely goes both ways. I know of multiple people in my extended family that voted for Obama primarily because he was of partial African American ethnicity and a self-proclaimed "black". They didn't vote for him because they actually agreed with his policies or were impressed with his factual track record. They really weren't even concerned with those things. No, they voted for him because they so desperately wanted America to have it's first black President. They voted for Obama ultimately because of the color of his skin. And already being aware of a few people that based their vote on that reason, I seriously have to wonder how many other people across this country shared the same mentality when they entered the voting booth.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Come down off you high horse for a minute and tell me this shit ain't racist.


I wanna see you get banned.

[-] 0 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (586) 1 year ago

The racism against Obama is balanced out by african americans overwhelmingly voting for Obama again this year simply because he is part african american rather than on his record of the past four years.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

That's a pretty broad, unsubstantiated statement.

Do you have the links to prove it?

I shouldn't have to tell you what not being able to prove those links would indicate.

[-] 0 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (586) 1 year ago

What is there to prove? Obama will get over 90% of the african american vote this year? In 2008, I think he got 92%. Now one would think that that percentage would drop based on Obama not really being or doing what he said he would be or do. But then again, Romney is a total whitey so....

My point is that will balance out the racism.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Zero proof and no links=hearsay.

Like I said, I know what such a statement without proof means.

Do you?

[-] 1 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (586) 1 year ago

If you don't know that Obama got between 90% to 95% of african american vote, even against Hillary Clinton, in 2008, then you need to do some research.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

You haven't proven one thing yet, and your conclusions are unsupported conjecture.

Could the same thing be said about Catholics in 1960?

You're the one attempting to paint color onto politics.

[-] 0 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (586) 1 year ago

If you think that less than 90% of african americans voted for Obama in 2008, then you can easily find a link to prove your point.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

That link would have to prove the intent of what you are suggesting.

If it was so easy, why haven't you ?

[-] 1 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (586) 1 year ago

It's kind of like proving 1 + 1 = 2

Even this year, african americans who in the pas have basically said they are disappointed with what Obama has done in his first term are still advising the blogging community keep quiet otherwise it could hurt Obama's chances for re-election.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Still no link?

Am I to assume that you are playing the role of racist?


[-] 0 points by birkenstockcreep (0) 1 year ago

Liberals / Democrats LOVE racism...That's why they wallow in it everyday. Enjoy yourself you fucking racists. Blame all your woes on the big LIE. It's what you do best.

Screaming racism...now the punchline of a pathetic liberal JOKE

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Like him or not, this treabagge(R) shit is nothing but more racism.


[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Great old post. Missed it when it first happened. Lets bump it up so maybe some others read through it a little bit.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

No comments from the peanut gallery?

They must be as I suspected.



I'll post it again, for good measure.

[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I've been looking for good posts to push up. And avoiding their poor posts. Seems futile but there you go.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Is animal torture a form of veiled racism?

I wouldn't be surprised.


[-] 4 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Yes it is. Disgusting

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Now that is just sick - only a severely twisted individual does shit like that.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Welcome to the World of the ultra-conservative.

Is it any surprise that they back libe(R)tarians?

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Think mittens does stuff like that?

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

He didn't have to.

He could and did destroy 1,000s of live with a stroke of his pen.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

But that was curtailed for the election run - remember the retroactive severance from Bane? The psycho must be goin bug nuts with withdrawal by now.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

He could soon have a whole World to play with, and with Ryan egging him on, who knows what havoc could be wrought..?

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Now that is just to nasty to even think about.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

It's still about the racism. Not about the policy.


Not a word about policy in the sign, racism is what it's about.


[-] 0 points by Skippy2 (485) 2 years ago

If you vote for a candidate because he is black, you are just as racist as someone who votes against that candidate for being black.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

What's it mean if you have that bumper sticker on you SUV?

[-] -2 points by takim (23) 2 years ago

most blacks voted for obama because he's black, some whites did so for the same reason ( thinking themselves "enlightened "). then there are people who voted for mccain because he wasnt black. most voted for mccain because he wasnt a marxist. for most people it's about ideology NOT race. i would happily vote for allan west because of his ideology. i would have never voted for kerry or gore because of their ideology.

[-] 0 points by Misaki (893) 2 years ago

Approval ratings on the economy for different presidents:

Reagan, above 50% and re-elected. Clinton, above 50% and re-elected. H.W. Bush, below 20% and not re-elected. Carter, below 20% and not re-elected. Obama, was at 34% in Sept 2011

If Obama is defeated in the election . . . I hate to say it, but it's because he (or his economic advisors) are stupid.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

What in the world does this have to do with the thread, or the bumper sticker?

[-] 0 points by Misaki (893) 2 years ago

Obama was elected once. Why does it matter if some people in the US appear to be prejudiced based on race?

If he fails at re-election, you can't blame race since he was already elected once. You can try to blame racism but you will just make yourself look unintelligent. Presidents tend not to be re-elected when the economy is bad, because people expect the president of the US to know how to fix it and to take responsibility when they don't.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

That's not the message of the bumper sticker.

It's not the only one around either.

Then there's the actual words I've heard from my "white" brethren.

[-] -1 points by Misaki (893) 2 years ago

That's nice.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

Nice in what way?

Why be evasive?

[-] -1 points by Misaki (893) 2 years ago

Most people are concerned about employment. You are arguing about racism. So what you say is "nice" in a very vague, unconcerned way; as if someone was discussing what they ate for breakfast.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

So as long as you're making money on the production and sale of racist propaganda...."it's nice"?

Racism is just like eating breakfast?

You are very strange.

[-] 0 points by Misaki (893) 2 years ago


[-] 0 points by JonFromSLC (-107) from West Valley City, UT 2 years ago

Democrats hold black people down by promoting social programs that perpetuate black people's poverty. Yet since it's easier to get less money for free instead of more money from working, they vote democrat, and they get their food stamps and section 8 housing. Aren't the democrats wonderful?

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

This has nothing to do with the OP.

What it has to do with, is the CATO, libe(R)tarian excuse.

The statement is unprovable, and therefor patently false.

It's like "welfare queen", of Reagan's, that was never found.

It's just BS.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

Here's some comments from the FLAKESnews web site concerning the Martin/Zimmerman incident in Fla.

What a shame—a tragedy, really— because the dead lil’ gangsta could’ve used “‘A-FIRM-TIV AK-SHUN” to go to kollige an play footballz and make lotsa cash munny!”


Fast and Furious didn’t work to pass new gun control so now Eric Holder will try the race card.


No matter how crime figures are massaged by those who want to acknowledge or dispute the existence of a Dirty War, there is nothing ambiguous about what the official statistics portray: for the past 45 years a large segment of bIack America has waged a war of v i o l e n t retribution against white America.


Zimmerman was attacked by the man and defended himself with a gun. Zimmerman’s wounds were verified by police.


17 = child. LOL!!!!!!

Let the LIB word games begin.


Yet the “justice department” refuses to prosecute any voter intimidation that involves a blac k as the intimidator.


Why should anyone care about this kid? Because he is of color? People don’t value kids period. They are property. BTW, I am a conservative that cares a great deal about kids. We follow hundreds of cases each year, many white babies and children, none of them get attention. But he does??


Zimmerman felt threatened by Martin’s gang’s actions…this could have possibly lead to these terrible circumstances. Gang violence MUST BE STOPPED OBAMA!


Blacks can do no wrong, period! That is the DOJ’s excuse for becoming involved. 50+ years of being told they are special and entitled and the gov’t’s only focus is to make it so!!


In any event, it appears to be a case of one sc u m bag Cuban-type (Zimmerman) offing some scummy b l a ck kid (Trayyy-Vonnnn)…in some trash neighborhood….

but now, because the dead kid’s a kneegrow, we have:

the BIG BAD FBI on this “important” case…and

the usual BLACK-RADICAL-PROTESTERS who can’t mind their own business!


Gated communities exist because people are afraid….& negros thrive on crime…Look at our prisons.


Need that too….But Negr0s only have their welfare checks….and in any event can’t follow rules


What time do the riots start? Gotta get my popcorn and munchies ready for the “hood” burning!


Funny you never see them rally against the drug dealing murderers that control their neighborhoods. LOL!!!


How does anyone know what this 17 yr old said, Most likely he threw the race card out ” you stop me because I*M B L ACK” and then became threatning. The media alway plants the seed of doubt when when a B l ac k is sh ot by a caucasian


maybe his gang brothers incited violence too?


How’d the kid get into the “gated” community in the first place?


Them monkeys can jump!


This is going to be a tough case. gang violence is hard to prosecute. martin’s gang may even want to retaliate. this is scary


Let’s find out why the “po’ baby” was REALLY there!


The little thug ghetto monkey should have been home doing his homework, not out gang bangin.


I’m just glad Zimmerman didnt miss and hit an innocent bystander

There's no racism? HA!

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21469) 2 years ago

Great job, shooz. It's outrageous but we have to face it and out it. This kind of blatant racism is ruining our country.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

This stuff is very real, and marginalized by FLAKESnews and it's followers, until you hear the comments.

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

wow, that is some f'ed up shit.




[-] 0 points by F350 (-259) 2 years ago

More Troll crap and attempted incrimination by painting with a broad brush. Just because some people are racists and do that type of thing doesn't mean,as you well know that it is the view of everybody else who opposes Obama.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

You're correct, it's mostly white (R)epelican'ts.

I talk to them all the time. You?

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

Most of the time it's not about race. There are black republicans... believe it or not.

For me it has nothing to do about race. I voted for the guy in 2008. I'm just stunned by a lot of what his administration has done.

"I'm not disgusted at President Obama personally. It's President Obama's policies on civil liberties and national security issues I'm disgusted by." - ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero


If the ACLU is filing lawsuits against your administration for war crimes... you might be a bad president.

But yes... there are many racist people out there and that sucks that people are still that ignorant in 2012. That sticker is fucked.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

wealth and power are often inherited

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

very often

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

The ACLU sues everybody. Big deal.

The (R)epelican'ts have been getting sued for years, and would love to see them disbanded.

There's still no excuse for the sticker. None what so ever.

[-] -1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

I never claimed there was an excuse for ignorant racists or that bumper sticker. I'm just saying most people's problem with Obama is not about race. Most people are not racist. There are a lot of them... but it's not a majority..

I find it absolutely outrageous that you're trying to discredit the ACLU because they "file a lot of lawsuits." The ACLU is an agency that advocates equal rights and does all it can to uphold the bill of rights and fight for people's liberty.

War crimes are war crimes. The patriot act is completely unconstitutional. I'd say the law suits are 100% worthy.

[-] -2 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

Considering how many (R)epelican'ts I've listened to over the years bitching about the ACLU, I find this turnabout amusing.

I like them and wish they were more effective at what they do.

Yeah, It's racism. I've been listening to it for 4 years now. The policy crap is just an excuse, because he ain't got nothin' on Bush and I heard nary a peep from those same (R)epelican'ts, as Bush sold us all down the river, kicking the dog on his way out the door, as the economy crumbled around us.

Not a peep. That's real people, not folks in forums.

Just like the racist bumper sticker.

[-] -1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

So the ACLU is all good when they sue the Bush administration for violating laws but when they sue Obama it's not legit? I don't think I'm understanding your point properly.

I still find it absolutely outrageous that you're trying to discredit the ACLU. And considering republican punditry I would agree that it is indeed amusing but in a ridiculous manner.

Obama is not infallible. The evidence is there and nicely provided by the ACLU, a great organization that does a lot to STOP racism.

And we both agree about the bumper sticker so there's no need to continue on that.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

Why did you twist one thing I said, and ignore the rest?

Most of the people I've spoken to about politics that hate Obama are (R)epelican'ts, and most of those I've spoken to are also racists and hated him before he was even in office. I've heard what they say. I'm not deaf.

FLAKESnews and people like Limbaugh, just give them enough lies for it pass as something else.

There's no excuse for that sticker, and it's certainly not the only one, just the latest.

They've been around since before he was elected too.

Racist make 'em and racists buy them and display them, and racists think they're funny, innocent and harmless. Even acceptable.

They aren't.


Although, I do keep forgetting how selectively short some folks memories are.

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

What did I twist?

We both agree on the sticker and racism being ignorant... it seems like you're replying like I disagree with you on that.

Not liking Obama doesn't make someone racist or a republican unless they are also racist or a republican. I voted for the guy in 2008. I just regret my decision due to his horrid stance on foreign policy, the wars, and civil liberties. Not that McPalin would have done better... but as democrats we should have been more wise and went with the people's man, Dennis Kucinich... in my opinion. HR 2990 the NEED Act!

Racism will pass with time. Sadly it's protected under freedom of speech. But luckily hate crimes are definitely illegal.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

I said I like the ACLU. If they prosecute Obama and win? So be it. I'll deal.

Don't get you hopes up though. Nixon skated.

Foreign policy? He's miles ahead of Bush, in fact, trying to patch up some of the gaps Bush created.

War? I hate it. But I also have been "forced" to accept the simple fact that we are a plutocracy of the military industrial complex, and NO President is going to seriously challenge the plans of the Generals, with troops engaged overseas.

To that end, I was pulling hard for Clark to get the nomination over Kerry in 04. It takes a general to reign in a general. He was running on a peace platform and claimed he knew how to get us out of there, while maintaining respect.

I love Dennis and hope he gets another seat at the table. we need guys like that.

If you have a link for the NEED Act, please post it. I will sign.

You still haven't convinced me most of the Obama hate isn't racist.

I've seen too much and heard too much to believe otherwise.

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

I'm not disagreeing with you on racism. It definitely exists. I just think it's a huge leap to assume most people don't think Obama is a good president due to racism.

The ACLU won't win. The president just has to say AUMF or National Security and suddenly they get thrown out of the courts. What's sick is there are laws making these war crimes illegal but they use loose wording from BS like AUMF and the patriot act to bomb countries we're not at war with and invade our privacy without warrant.

Here's the link to HR 2990. When Obama said "Congress, draft me that bill!" He should have realized it's already been drafted but it's getting no attention because it takes the power away from the banksters and creates real job growth and real universal healthcare. But Obama didn't tout it around like he did with his lobbyist approved jobs bill.


It's really sad that Kucinich lost his house seat due to bullshit redistricting.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

Thanks for the link.

Obama is nowhere near as bad as he's being painted, and only logical reason for that is racism.

It's been blatant since before he was elected. I'm sorry you didn't notice.

You should have tuned into FLAKESnews once in a while. You would have.

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

I think the links from the ACLU paint him very bad... along with congress and the supreme court for allowing such horrid legislation and war crimes.

The "birther" people are mainly racist. No doubt about that. But if you go back to the GOP during the Clinton era it was all pretty hate-filled too. I think that's just what the GOP does. Be ridiculous and negative and propagate BS.

But there is a legitimate angle out there that is both anti-GOP and anti-Obama. It's called anyone who is a true advocate for peace and civil liberties. Obama is a pro-war candidate that supports the patriot act and other laws that steal our bill of rights.

Anyone who supports the patriot act should be removed from office. It's the best way to get out corruption and those that allow war crimes. Dennis would be one of the few that remained if he were still in office.

[-] -2 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

So, who petitioned the impeachment of GW Bush? The patriot Act of the U.S. Congress was signed into law by President George W. Bush on October 26, 2001 after 9/11. Now, remember, it was passed in the House by 357 to 66 (of 435) and in the Senate by 98 to 1 and was supported by members of both the Republican and Democratic parties in the first damn place...And, once again...who really knows the truth about 9/11 anyway...Do you? Why aren't you naming names? Putting those people on front street who created that act, since this was done long before anyone ever heard of OBAMA? Don't you think your bigoted and passe' mind set is a bit racist as well? Stop with all the fake drama on here! Color matters when it isn't beneficial to you all!!!

[-] -1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

As you mentioned there are well over 455 names to mention. That's a long list and this is a comments section. And Bush aint president anymore and I've posted shit on this site about Bush being a war criminal, specifically about the Malaysian tribunal that proved that fact to be true.

I talk about Obama a lot because he is the current president and has been for over 3 years now. I also talk about congress a lot too. Also guess who supports the Patriot Act as well? Obama with all those members of congress. I'm allowed to criticize the president. I get caught up on Obama on this site a lot because his supporters argue with me over and over again claiming I somehow support Romney because I don't approve of war monger presidents, even though Romney would be a warmonger president.

And yes racism still exists. Look at the Trayvon shooting for a recent example. But to claim I'm racist right now? Go fuck yourself. What the fuck did I say that was "bigoted" ??

Republicans and democrats - the dumbest bipartisan move since the repeal of glass-steagall - http://occupywallst.org/forum/congress-and-obama-working-for-the-1-the-dumbest-b/

[-] -2 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

What did you say was bigoted? Well hell.....it is in all of your language and your posts on here. You give a lot of well meaning diaspora in your posts, which I am sure you believe work, but none of them actually come to any logical point or conclusions. And....as far as my sexual activities go....what the hell does that have to do with the political mumbo jumbo you keep posting on here, along with your cronies? You keep proving my point.....that individuals such as yourself stray away from the deep rooted reasons as to why this country is the way it is...do you even have a clue as to why Obama is even the President in this day and age? You can blame him for everything from the world being flat to the fact that Solar flares are about to knock all of you out your socks...but.....please understand this....You and your kind are but mere children in this world of diverse cultures, upside down global economics and all the hidden information kept from you by your own kind.......Get it?? Now, go home and grow up!!!

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

Not blaming him for every thing. Most of my posts talk about continuing the Bush war legacy. There is indeed a lot more at work than Obama. No one said otherwise. But as the current president he gets a lot of criticism. Just as the standing members in congress do.


[-] 0 points by mediaauditr (-88) 2 years ago

What's really clever about the bumper sticker is that Obama did renege on just about all of his campaign promises. He said he would end useless foreign wars, yet within months of being elected, he added 30,000 troops in Afghanistan. He got us into Lybia, additional skirmishes throughout Africa, next is Iran. How's that for a peace loving President?

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

How very non-observant of you.

It wasn't spelled neg.

Besides, I can't tell how many (R)epelican'ts I've spoken to over the years who complained about how democrats are so very weak when it comes to the military.

Now they flip-flop, like they always do.


[-] 0 points by aflockofdoofi (-18) 2 years ago

So what does AA effectively do? Discriminate against Asians.

[-] -1 points by ZenDog (13220) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

would you really like to discuss irony?

I often wonder, after watching the way in which Colin Powell was thrust out in traffic . . .

after watching dogmatic and implacable repelican insistence on curbing access to the ballot box;

blatant fux snuz racism;

Why in the world does the repelican party enjoy any support from any person of color . . .

Perhaps it is because people of color have chosen to engage in a degree of repelican mockery that I usually cannot hear?

I don't understand . . .

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 3 months ago

The SCOTUS repeal of affirmative action, could also be interpreted as racist at it's core.

[-] -1 points by ZenDog (13220) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

Yup - I didn't think of it or I would have included it.

I'm reasonably sure that the decision is a reflection of repelican understanding regarding race come 2050 - white folks will be a minority - and they are simply attempting to give their own white kids an edge in terms of education as we approach that mile stone.

Which makes no sense really - when you consider their very successful efforts to sabotage the entire breadth of civilization with their antiGlobal Warming messaging may make the entire issue utterly irrelevant.

[-] -3 points by shooz (17714) 3 months ago

When whites are the minority, will the cry for affirmative action rise again?

[-] -1 points by ZenDog (13220) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

I have no idea. My guess would be that by that point either things will be dire enough that the bullshit will have long since ended, or civilization will have simply ceased to exist and voting itself becomes a non issue.

I'm reasonably sure humanity will still exist by 2050 - but it is possible the environmental disruptions become so severe by that point that in the global panic the organizational foundation that is a necessity for voting to take place will simply not exist.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

One more, for the record.


Who's going to explain this one away?

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Conse(R)vative racism.

This deserves to be in this thread.

We all know it's true. We always did know, we just have a herd time admitting it.


[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Just to make it official and institutionalized.

Now comes this legislator from Arkansas.


Can it get anymore racist?

Anymore bigoted?

Anymore fascist?

[-] -1 points by yobstreet (-575) 1 year ago

It is about race - most find Obama's anti-white stance rather disturbing; for us it represents a regression, a reprimitivisim.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

That's exactly what I've heard the racists saying.

One even called me a "traitor" to my "race".

Would you say the same?

[-] 0 points by yobstreet (-575) 1 year ago

I don't care if you betray your race, but I care very much if you betray our people. And I think to some extent to promote a resurgence of the animosity is to betray our people. I think the divides have been reemphasized, the angst reignited, in an effort to attract the vote. Actually I think there is more to it - I think Obama is a racist; not unusual, I have never met an African American, or even an Irishman, or an Italian, or anyone - that wasn't, on some level.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

You never answer questions do you?

Keep playing in that slime and you're bound to get some on you.

[-] -1 points by yobstreet (-575) 1 year ago

No, I would probably not call you a traitor your race; I don't even know what your race is.

[-] -1 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

AA is racists, it's very def. is bigotry. Showin g preference based only on race is the same thing as showing distain. The old saying of judge a man by the content of his character doesn't happen with AA it fosters the opposite.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

What's AA?

American Airlines?

Augutus Aurelious?

What's AA?

[-] -1 points by Clicheisking (-210) 1 year ago

Racism is often the problem. I think most Americans that voted for Obama were hoping we would be a truly color blind society.

[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

Tell HIM it's not about race- http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Oi_KaZ53eDg

Tell THEM it's not about race. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEg737ELgbw&feature=player_embedded

And then explain to me why the Democrats keep pretending that THEY are the party the Black community should support.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

What (R)epelican't doesn't say these kinds of things?

Perhaps you should read the rest of the thread.

[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

What makes them wrong? That a "republican" said them? Shouldn't whether they are wrong or right be determined by examining the facts and historical data? ALL of it-not just the stuff you want to see-but the stuff you want to ignore, or haven't been told as well?

[-] 1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Sorry, it happened all around me. I lived it.

What he said is wrong.

[-] -2 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

According to YOU. YOUR life experience. What makes you think that YOUR life experience and perceptions and ideologies are more correct than anyone else? What makes you think that what happened all around YOU also happened all around everyone else?

And it doesn't matter how many other people you find who say they experienced the same things YOU did! Until you have spoken to and validated the life experiences of everyone on this planet AND validated the individual motives of everyone on this planet who ever did anything to anyone else-an OPINION is all you can say that you HAVE.

Or how about I put it in YOUR own words? :

"That's a pretty broad, unsubstantiated statement. Do you have the links to prove it? I shouldn't have to tell you what not being able to prove those links would indicate."

[-] 1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

So go watch FLAKESnews then.

You obviously don't value experience.

There's lots of places out there that make excuses for racism.

From CATO, to stormfront, to the Heritage Foundation.

Pick your poison, but don't try and tell me I don't know racism.

I do.

[-] -2 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

I'm not saying you don't know racism. I'm saying that for some people it can very well be about race. But you do NOT get to apply that label to anyone except the racists themselves.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

You do realize, that these days they tend to stay hidden.

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

Do they? White supremacists tend to be VERY vocal and out in the open about their racism. Like the person with the sticker. If something is hidden, it means you have to look really hard to find it. Most people I know that hate something or someone are VERY vocal and obvious about it.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Not every racist is a white supremacist.

[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

maybe it would help if you gave me your definition of racist then.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

I'll bet you would.

Personally? I'd like to hear yours first.

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 1 year ago

Discrimination or prejudice, hatred or aggression towards another person based on their race or the color of their skin.

Pretty straightforward definition.

Your turn.

[-] -1 points by CitizenofAmerika (-71) 1 year ago

No racist republicans? Who said? No racist democrats? Who said?

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

What are you trying to tell me?

That you didn't read the thread?

I got it.

[-] -1 points by CitizenofAmerika (-71) 1 year ago

Yes. I read the thread. What racism.

[-] -1 points by stinkyhippie (-7) 1 year ago

Shooz...yet another liberal racist...keeping racism alive and well, by shrieking it again...and again.

"you black folk can't get ahead on your own. You too dumb. Whitey keeping you down"

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Now from Texas.

Will this attitude never end?

You know how many times someone has PMed me similar stuff from the forum?


[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Racism, as a means to an end in Texas.

After all, institutional racism is one of the aims of "states rights".


BTW, the comments from the courts, makes it official.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Voter ID laws, written by (R)epelican'ta are actually quite racist.

t’s way past time to call a spade a spade. We already know that voter ID laws have absolutely nothing to do with preventing voter fraud. We also know that the people most likely to be adversely affected by these laws are black, Hispanic, poor and elderly, and are more likely to vote Democrat. Contrary to the rhetoric about keeping bad illegals from voting, the morass of bureaucratic insanity inherent in the Republican voter ID laws creates obstacles that adversely affect the people in the above-mentioned groups.

The suppress the black vote effort is not limited to voter ID laws. Other elements of what some Republicans refer to as a campaign strategy include reducing early voting days, hours or both; reducing or eliminating absentee voting; and eliminating or dramatically reducing voting on weekends.


[-] -1 points by Lucky1 (-125) from Wray, CO 1 year ago


[-] -1 points by riethc (1149) 1 year ago

White shooz, I'd prefer if you just stated your credentials instead of linking to Yahoo news articles, you silly stooge.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

An incredibly vapid response to a thread started months ago and chock full of other links to even more racist crap, some even added recently.

I'll ignore your insults at this point.

[-] -1 points by riethc (1149) 1 year ago

You're just another example of how OWS got hijacked by douchebags.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

So in your little world, ignoring racism makes you a non-douche?

Somehow, I doubt that is true.

[-] 0 points by riethc (1149) 1 year ago

Obama can run and hide behind his race because a handful of bigots use the word "nig"? How about the thousands of Arabs being killed thanks to Obama's policies in the Middle East and the millions of Africans being ignored by Obama and the rest of the world?

Racism is Obama's foreign policy.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

You think racism is only about Obama.

That's classic racism.

it's not that hard to find.


[-] 0 points by riethc (1149) 1 year ago

Typical douchebag move, using a pop culture article to somehow justify something about how the other guy's the racist, not my guy. Try making an actual argument instead of strawmanning.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

I'm not arguing at all.

I'm demonstrating racism.

It's douchebags that live in denial, pretending it's natural, or even nonexistent.


There's one less "pop cultural " for you.

[-] 1 points by riethc (1149) 1 year ago

You can actually make an argument now, rather than pointing to nonsense you found on the internet.

[-] -1 points by riethc (1149) 1 year ago

I know "racism" is part of Obama's reelection campaign, but the fact is Obama's policies are far more racist than some silly bigot's bumper sticker, you stooge.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

"stooge"? mean, & offensive.

Pres Obama is NOT using racism/ Romney is! the constant untrue "angry" accusations are code. The lies about welfare work requirements are designed to appeal to racists. The food stamp president lies. All part of this years "southern strategy"

You gotta be kiddin.

[-] 3 points by riethc (1149) 1 year ago

Who said I support Romney?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I don't know. Why?

[-] 1 points by riethc (1149) 1 year ago

Both Obama and Romney can be racist at the same time. I don't disagree about Romney. He's almost as big a douche as shooz is.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

No this is not Shooz! This VQkag2.

And I'm asking you to please have some respect. The name calling betrays your weak argument.

Why can't you be nice! Behave!

[+] -8 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Well Now - You have just been given a complement - though I doubt the troll is aware of it. {:-])

[+] -9 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Shooz probably feels pretty good about the whole thing as well. {:-])

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (6018) 0 minutes ago

Well. I am honored. Thanks for noticing ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

:douche"? nasty, & mean spirited. Please refrain from the abusive insults.

Try to contribute positiveness. It's better for the soul. And the insults kinda reflect a lack of argument strength.


[-] 1 points by riethc (1149) 1 year ago

shooz, is this another one of your accounts?

[+] -10 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You sure do have a hard-on for shooz - Hey?

I can understand - he is very upstanding.

So maybe instead of being all jealous and all - maybe you could try to be more like shooz - when "you" grow-up. {:-])

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I hope shooz does. It is well deserved.

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Well. I am honored. Thanks for noticing

[-] -2 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Really? You know this?

Well then, why don't you show us all an example.

A visit to stormfront should help you find something.

[-] -1 points by ZenDog (13220) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

Some people just are not right

or they are - the are so far right, they are just plain wrong

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Expect more of this, as they force creationism into more innocent minds.

It's amazing how little respect they have for that separation of church and state thingy.

But they will threaten to shoot you, over the gun one.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13220) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

Creationism is just silly. It is interesting - and there are some parallels with what science does teach - The Book does have the days in the right order.

And speaking of gun nuts - it looks like the right wing whackos have lost control of their minions . . .

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

For those that thought this was photoshopped, it wasn't. The sight that sold it has been removed.

Here's some thoughts on the clever meaning behind the sticker.


[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

I kid you not; having played uker and spades most of my life, I had the same sentiment when I seen that saying for the first time.

We gotta follow suit.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

No one said it was smart to be a bigot...........:)

[-] -1 points by F350 (-259) 2 years ago

Compared to what kind of defamation and character assassination,along with just plain mean,shitty and rotten things that were said and made up about George Bush,this bumper sticker means nothing.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

Oh yes, the FLAKESnews reversal ploy.

Have you already forgotten that the Bush legacy ended in a Worldwide economic disaster?

Yes. You have.

[-] 0 points by F350 (-259) 2 years ago

Have you already forgotten what my post was about? Yes. You have.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

You the one the forgot what the thread is about.

I enjoy watching you chase your tail.

No wonder you're dizzy.......................:)

[-] -1 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

Won't.....say....it.... Must....resist......

[-] 0 points by Dumpthechump (96) 2 years ago

But can you resist my posting above yours?????

  • Easier of course if you just sit back and enjoy watching epa1nter pour out the expletives!
[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

But then of course, it actually is.

It's got an on going, unrelenting history.

Right wingnuts? No so much, except in shallow rhetoric.

[-] -1 points by ImperialWizard (-15) 2 years ago

Gee Bro, your hate monging Black Panthers are about as left wing as can be. Interesting how many of their prominent leaders have enough money to go a long way to helping their brothers up. We all know why none of them actually do.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

Yepperz, shallow right wingnut rhetoric.

How about a comment on the bumper sticker?


[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Impotent-Whizzer you remove your racist mask? What ever could have possessed you?



[-] -2 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

[-] 1 points by Puzzlin (2097) 13 hours ago

Troll Alert------------------------Troll Alert-------------------------Troll Alert

....................Neuwurldodr your a A$$hat

Troll Alert-----------------------Troll Alert--------------------------Troll Alert ↥like ↧dislike reply permalink [-] 0 points by shooz (4943) 13 hours ago

So all this arguing and whining you're doing is called what??

Immature? I can believe that.

↥like ↧dislike reply permalink

My response is thus.....

Tsk, tsK....children!! This is absolutely hilarious!!!

It still amazes me how amnesiac most of America remains....and enjoy it!!!

So...are you really expecting me to disappear? Why? Can't handle the truth??

I keep telling you...if this was really about race, half the people in Congress and the government should let you in on their dirty little secrets...they are not all of full blooded European descent. Or should I give the great prediction of saying that one day it will be most popular for them to be a part of a person of color's heritage!! Get it through your thick skulls...it is about the haves and the have nots, the rich and the poor, the oppressed and the oppressors...and those actions my friends come from all individuals, from all walks of life, regardless of alleged race, creed, or color!! Grow up!! Who gives a damn about a bumper sticker...a lot of people don't even have homes, let alone a dumb azz car!! Aren't you keeping up with current events?? And a lot of those very people are not people of color!!! Good grief...

[-] -2 points by aflockofdoofi (-18) 2 years ago

Affirmative action is a joke. Jews dont need it. Asians dont need it. So who needs it?

[-] 4 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

"So who needs it?" The people who have been relegated to underfunded public schools in poor neighborhoods. That happens to be mostly Blacks and Hispanics. Also the people who continue to be the victims of both conscious and unconscious bigotry. You ARE aware of the studies showing how a Black man with the IDENTICAL qualifications of a white one is hired less that 15% of the time for the same job, aren't you? Or do you simply ignore those facts to maintain your "the White man is the real victim" horse shit mentality?

My heart bleeds for the poor dominant majority. Life is so unfair to them compared with all the advantages Blacks and Hispanics are privy to from birth! ROTFLMAO.


[-] 0 points by GumbyDamnit (36) 2 years ago

Not in Tennessee, which you condemn as a state of people with tiny brains. It is an affirmative action employer. Why is it you choose to live in a state that isn't?

[-] 1 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

I don't live in California.

It is Tennessee's xenophobic, racist anti- immigration laws I was addressing in the other remarks I made to you on another thread.

[-] 0 points by GumbyDamnit (36) 2 years ago

How can an affirmative action state be xenophobic? The results of affirmative action here are not good.

[-] 1 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

Are you being intentionally obtuse? Teensey's anti immigration laws are xenophobic and racist. And although the specifics of implementation in your state may not be to your liking, affirmative action is absolutely necessary.

[-] 0 points by aflockofdoofi (-18) 2 years ago

So why did California ban affirmative action in college apps?

[-] 2 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

California DIDN'T ban it. The hard right wing of the Supreme court did, and only partially, at that. Nor has California stopped affirmative action. It simply looks at more parameters now in applying it as per the directives of that scurrilous court's right wing faction's deliberate misunderstanding.

Poor little white boy. Such a victim of the system. Such a victim of inequality. Sniff, sniff. Got a tissue?


[-] -1 points by aflockofdoofi (-18) 2 years ago

As usual, wrong again.


Note: eliminating AA in college apps RAISED African American grad rates.

I LOVE endlessly being right.

[-] 1 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

You know, i forgot about Prop 209. I stand corrected. Even the overwhelmingly white public can be racist. What a SHOCK! Who would have guessed such a thing???!!!

However, regarding graduation rates:

While African American graduation rates at UC Berkeley increased by 6.5 percent,[2] the enrollment rates dropped significantly.[3] Criticism was made of the fact that of the 4,422 students in UCLA's freshman class of 2006, only 100 (2.26%) were African American.[4] In fact, opponents of Proposition 209 note that there are greater disparities in elite education in the post-Proposition 209 era due to decreased African American and Latino enrollment. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_209_(1996) )

It only goes to prove why affirmative action is necessary and who it hurts when it is eliminated. But you don't care about that, no do you, cracker. After all, the white majority is at such a disadvantage compared to Blacks in this country! Racist asshole.

[-] 0 points by Dumpthechump (96) 2 years ago

AA is a bandaid on a compound fracture! The patient has survived only because of economic growth - but that has now ended in the wake of GFC (unless there's massive military spending).

So see my answer to Neuwurldodr below, O gold medallist of indignation!

[-] 1 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

AA is one of many solutions that must be in effect for change to happen. It is not a panacea, and I have said as much. But assholes on the right object and push hard to eliminate, even that little bit. The right wing, overwhelming white, claim THEY are the real victims. And yes, I am indignant about that mendacity.

[-] 0 points by Dumpthechump (96) 2 years ago

Well when the USA is suckered into war on Iran, these whingeing white right wingers will be able to claim genuine victim status - against the Zionists (who are mostly Christians, contra popular belief) who conned them into it!

[-] 0 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

OK, what does affirmative action in education have anything to do with what you what you just posted? Please at least try to stay on topic.

[-] 0 points by Dumpthechump (96) 2 years ago

Affirmative action is a bandaid solution to avoid the bigger issues i.e. universal public education and just access to the means of production - particularly land.

As is well known, blacks in the USA have little landownership so are proletarianized as a result, hence the use of affirmative action.

However there is more to it than this. Jews have traditionally allied with poorer blacks, in individual cases from genuine sympathy and friendship and the need to set discrimination aright. (Whether Jews are primarily a race or a religion is not relevant to the conclusions here since 'race' involves blacks and whites and most Jews have, quite rightly, tried to distance themselves from the black-white category).

Nevertheless, there has been a cost to this. Many, perhaps most Jews in the USA are Zionist, and, with their long record of siding with blacks, they expect blacks to reciprocate by supporting the USA in suppressing Palestinians under Isreali domination (both in Israel itself and the Occupied Territories).

Beginning with Malcolm X, many blacks - mainly in the middle class - have woken up to this manipulation, hence the formerly close relations of Jews and blacks in the USA have largely broken down.

Relevant too is the fact that there are many more blacks than Jews in the USA - but the latter have more money, largely due to their organized industriousness making up for their relative lack of ownership of land in the USA. Blacks have noticed that too!

Hence as the US war on Iran leads to large-scale global devastation, the whingeing white will be looking for scapegoats. Blacks who have supported the Zionist Jews (i.e. the non-Christian minority of Zionists) will be obvious scapegoats - those who do not will escape such censure, though the ultimate argument over control of the means of production (especially in land) will engender continued black-white conflicts even though right-wing hysteria over "Jewish financial control over the USA and the world" will no longer have any justification since Jewish hegemony in the USA and the Middle East will collapse in the aftermath of the war.

[Shooz: "I want to hear you lie."]

Hence AA is merely a middle-class conscience-salve and thus "it's all about race".

SO TELL ME SHOOZ - am I lying????? And epa1nter - this is on topic as hope your posting will be too (between the expletives)!

[-] 1 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

I really can't believe how full of shit you are.

There is virtually nothing you have just said that isn't a manipulation or distortion or flat out unsupported opinion based, myth based slander.

You have shown yourself to a blithering idiot of a troll on other threads. You have just confirmed it.

[-] 1 points by Dumpthechump (96) 2 years ago

Really? Well, lets hear from Shooz!

SHOOZ, SHOOZ, where are you!!!!?

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

Short answer?

Yes, you not only lied, you created an entire conspiracy theory, or rather borrowed one.

Can't you at least be original?

[-] 0 points by Dumpthechump (96) 2 years ago

Really? What is NOT factual in what I posted. You need to tell me what falsehoods I posted!

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

They've all been dealt with here umpteen times over the last 6mos.

Yes. All distortions and lies.

I won't repeat it all here, but what you've quoted is almost line for line the words of the JBS.

It's just not yours.

[-] 0 points by Dumpthechump (96) 2 years ago

All been dealt with? Really?

I'm mystified. What is JBS? I have never seen these initials before - so I did not knowingly get my info from any source with those initials.


[-] -2 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

Cliche after cliche...... Your lack of capability to think for yourself is pathetic.

[-] -3 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

I understand your anger, and I understand the statistics and public information that is always being thrown out at different "races" as to why they aren't able to get ahead. But I ask, ahead of what? Why is it so hard to understand that the underdog remains the underdog because he/she refuses to acknowledge his/her own power and his/her own identity, heritage, blood and attributes that created this great nation!!!. If individuals realize who they truly are, where they came from and how and why this country continues to remain so rich...perhaps the underdog will lift up his/her head, acknowledge that he/she was never a dog, or under anyone or anything in the first damn place and take his /her rightful place as the rulers of all that is was and shall be, with love and respect!. I am tired of people being complacent just because someone puts a carrot in front of them to chase and they forgot that the whole world was and is theirs...more than just a damn carrot!!!

[-] 4 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

I think your sentiments about people needing to have pride in themselves is correct, but your linking that with an unfounded accusation that they don't is another matter. What's more, there are issues that go well beyond individuals and their perceptions. There are real systemic problems in the very fabric and structure of our society and of capitalism itself. Unless those systemic issue are addressed, no amount of pride will overcome, en mass, the obstructions to progress and justice entire classes of people face. That is not to say self-image is unimportant. It is a valuable component of change. But the system is rigged. It must be changed.

[-] -3 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Like I said, I understand everyone's point of view, but unfortunately, your mindset has not been changed to accept what is taking place, right before our very eyes. You all are still thinking and doing things the same ole way as before, and believe it will remain as "they" had it at the inception of this great nation. You all can't see any further than your own noses and that my friend is why change is being forced upon everyone. Of course there is injustice and the system is rigged. But tell me this, would anyone have done it any different had they been in power instead? I doubt it...you know why? Because the mind set is still the same as it ever was....and until this change comes about...the mindset will remain the same.
Read these posts, read the forum messages, everyone knows something is wrong, but no one understands exactly why it is or what is happening here. I feel sorry for those who truly believe that things will go back to the way they were with major or minor improvements....IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!! Remember, civilizations rise and civilizations fall...now who in the hell will be able to handle it when this one goes? If you all can't see this, then there is no point continuing on....nothing is going to remain the same as it has been and that goes for your thoughts as well. Words to the wise.....look around...there is no longer a need for a caste system, racial economics, or rich vs. poor. Pretty soon, everyone is going to be on the same level, left...with....nothing but your own ingenuity to get you out of this mess....I can't continue to rehash what could have, should have, would have, it will not change the inevitable future. The only person who can change that is me, myself, and I.
Don't be like brick walls that come tumbling down when the Tsunami hits.... you can change the future....if you have the guts and the wisdom to do so!

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

NATO started bombing Libya shortly after the Tsunami

On 19 March 2011, a multi-state coalition began a military intervention in Libya

Japan Earthquake: Helicopter aerial view video of giant tsunami waves

[-] 1 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

Well, now I understand, Neuwurldodr, or should I call you Mad Max? Your profile doesn't show where you live, but I assume it is Thunderdome.

I am only sorry I took the time and effort to address you seriously, instead of seeing you are nothing but a troll.

[-] -2 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Don't get upset with me if your minds are unable to advance...I didn't program you all not to think for yourselves! If you don't get it.....go back to the drawing board and figure out why you still believe you are a person with progressive thoughts. Those who understand reality do something about it, those who don't argue and whine!!! As far as being a troll, have I upset your apple cart little child? You all are amusing and extremely immature on here.

[-] 1 points by Puzzlin (2898) 2 years ago

Troll Alert------------------------Troll Alert-------------------------Troll Alert

....................Neuwurldodr your a A$$hat

Troll Alert-----------------------Troll Alert--------------------------Troll Alert

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

So all this arguing and whining you're doing is called what??

Immature? I can believe that.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

How in the World does this explain or endorse racism?

It's just a lot of low information, inconclusive, ramblings.

[-] -2 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Excuse you....but who are you?
If you don't understand racism, then of course it is going to be a lot of rambling to you. You still have the mindset indoctrinated by the 1800's. Racism is an unhealthy mindset, fostered by the mentally ill and the inability of individuals to develop humane qualities.
Somewhat like why OW exists...greed and oppression!!! Besides, I don't need to explain a damn thing to you, since you keep this racism issue out in the forefront, but have yet to give any solutions. Racism comes from warped mentalities, and warped mentalities won't let go of it. So, re-read it, gain a little intellectual insight into the fact that each individual has a duty to eradicate oppression...Get It???

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

I'm a user named shooz. I thought that was pretty evident.

How do you draw the conclusion that I'm suffering from an 1800s mindset for posting the racist bumper sticker?

Do you really think the cure for racism and bigotry is to hide it and hide from it?

Pretend it will just go away? That people that openly display it will gain some insight?

Did you already forget about the people who's cars were run into for displaying an Obama bumper sticker?

Perhaps you missed this story from Florida?


Pure racism, and no arrest.

[-] -2 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Oh for crying out loud.....I come from a background that knows racism all to well...Stop trying to lecture me and understand what I am saying.. This is a new era in time....So what are you gonna do about racism, what are you doing about racism, what have you done about racism?

Stop acting like such a hard azz!!

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

I've worked with lots of different people over the years, to positive effect..

I still see racism almost every day.

I also experience it.

So, why don't you tell me what you think of the bumper sticker?

Why don't you comment on the 17yr old dead boy in Florida?

Why do conduct only personal attacks and personal questions?

I've already said, over and over, I will not vote for another (R)epelican't for the rest of my life.

I haven't heard a viable plan from you yet.

[-] -2 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Plan, plan??? My dear child, what sort of plan do you think is going to stop this madness?

I can tell you this...if the Truth is not a part of your plans, or anyone's plan, all roads still lead to nowhere. Death and destruction is the foundation of this great nation, haven't you learned that yet?

As for voting, once Marshall Law ensues, there will be no more voting. I don't believe for one minute that any of you actually know what is taking place in this country, or really give a flying fig because your rose colored glasses are still somewhat foggy and crooked on your faces. You just keep rehashing the same old song, not realizing that all that is taking place was foretold ages ago and out of your control . Save yourselves first!! So, on that note, I really don't have time for your continued whining.... I have more important work to do... Good night children....

[-] 3 points by Puzzlin (2898) 2 years ago

Neuwurldodr - Your an a$$hat. Also, you are a TROLL. You've outted.

Name Change?

[-] 2 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

Well my son. You should give up and hide under your bed, or one of them will get you.

You've wandered off into the land of conspiracy theory anyway.

You needed to add more bigfoot. You got nothing else.

[-] 3 points by PandoraK (1678) 2 years ago

Tell someone often enough that they are not worthy of advancement, even though they know it's the lie, they will respond as though the lie is truth.

Why do you think politicians get away with so much?

[-] -2 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

Because people (the public) accept the garbage and do not use their own gray matter to investigate, search out, and learn the Truth! People are lazy!!

The puppets love being puppets, so the Puppet Masters continue to prevail!! It is so easy to understand that it is hard!

[-] 4 points by PandoraK (1678) 2 years ago

It isn't lazy to be on the receiving end of belittlement...it's basic brainwashing.

I've witnessed it, I've lived it...I won through, because unlike millions of others, I always was a stubborn little shit.

[-] -2 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

And that my dear is my point exactly!!
Each individual can exercise their own abilities... I have never followed the crowd because I am stubborn also, and have long realized the crowd is not always right! I have also learned that individuals who profess to have your best interest at heart can be just as deceptive as those who are doing the brainwashing! Strength against all odds come from within...that much I have learned well.

[-] 4 points by PandoraK (1678) 2 years ago

I probably took more credit than was my due...I also had people in my life, teachers etc who were supportive of me...not everyone has that advantage.

[-] -1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 2 years ago

I agree....I am thankful to have had and still have those types of individuals in my life.. To learn how to keep an open mind is one of the greatest gifts that can be given.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

An addition to part of your comment: "So who needs it?" The people who have been relegated to underfunded public schools in poor neighborhoods. That happens to be mostly Blacks and Hispanics.

All poor neighborhoods also include a fair amount of white people too. Poor neighborhoods are more of a true reflection of the melting pot. There are poor representing everyone you could imagine.

Otherwise I completely agree with your full comment.

[-] 2 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

DK, please see the link posted in my reply above to aflockofdoofi

[-] 2 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

Yes, absolutely, there are indeed poor white kids. They also receive the benefits of affirmative action, but it is not publicized. I was the recipient of affirmative action in the private high school I received a scholarship from. I was from a poor Jewish immigrant family.

However, discrimination MOSTLY effects Blacks and HIspanics, and that has been documented thoroughly. Affirmative Action is not a panacea, but it is also definitely not a step in the wrong direction. It solves some of the problems. It helps reverse the effects of the UN-level playing field that has been created and does a little to undo the status quo that perpetuates, or rather, exacerbates that un-level slope. It does a tiny bit to break the cycle.

[-] 0 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

A poor Jewish family......... On yes, now I understand you.....


[-] -2 points by BLOWCHUNKS (43) 2 years ago

Do you know what affirmative action is?


the term most certainly does not apply to helping people of certain economic status. You did not receive affirmative action, you received financial aid.

Affirmative action makes decisions about people based only on race, color, religion, gender, sexual orientation or national origin, ignoring the economic background the recipient came from.

I think that was actually a part of MLK's dream speech.


[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Not to yank your chain because I agree with your comment. But I believe in recognizing all who are on the down side as well as all of those on the upside. I realize a lot of what you said was directed at a corruption supporting hating troll. But I just wanted to be inclusive.

BTW - I like your slapping of the troll

[-] 2 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

I have no sense that my chain has been yanked ! LOL.

I just figured I'd add to my post.

Slapping trolls can be fun, but then I have to go wash my hands; even the brief contact really makes them smell.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Thank you for your understanding.

And yes it is fun and at times quite relaxing to spend some time slapping down a troll. You are quite right about washing up frequently as they are quite toxic.


[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yep very revealing. Wonder if you are going to make it pop an aneurism by posting fact and figures that blows it bullshit sky high out of the water.

I'LL keep my fingers crossed.

[-] 3 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

Those guys HATE that! :-)

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

You burst the bubble of misinformation. They have no defense. But it will probably continue to push its bullshit because it is a troll and that is what they do. That is why I enjoy slapping them so much.

I enjoy it more when they get their pants pulled down around their ankles.


[-] 2 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

LOL! Thanks, DK. The great thing about posting a link is is cuts down on my "hunt-and-peck" typing that I do. ;-)

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

You too? Some of these guys are such prolific typers that it makes my hands ache just looking at their comments.

I love links for two reasons: (really more than two but... )

1) they can provide irrefutable facts.

2) they can save me from developing carpal tunnel.

[-] 0 points by PandoraK (1678) 2 years ago

For every link one can find to support a position, two can be found to default it.

Irrefutable facts? Not hardly, this is the internet you know...spend much time at wiki?

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago


[+] -5 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

You have a tremendous ego, don't you? You think that your narrow-minded ideology is the only way..... Disgusting...

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Black Hole - Hey! How they hangin?

A bit swollen?

You do seem to like asking for a kick in the nads.

I just figure that if this is how you are around people in real life, then its not likely that you will have children as your nads will likely have to be removed for having been ruptured before you will be able to find a woman willing to let you get her pregnant.

Spew shit somewhere that you might be appreciated. Good luck in finding that.

[+] -5 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

Your standard stupid reply. Ever had an IQ test? Or had a lesson in thinking for yourself? Or even considered anything other than an cliche response? No? Big surprise. Go away retard.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

You would not believe the score I got on my last IQ test. Likely few would believe it. I know I am still puzzling about it after all these years. But I never put much stock in that kind of thing anyway.

So we are at an impasse. Not a problem you quit spewing shit and I will stop slapping you.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

The problem with your comment is that racism is still very, very real.

Just like your comment.

[-] 0 points by Mooks (1985) 2 years ago

Obviously racism still plays a huge roll is politics. Newt Gingrich has recently used it very effectively to win the SC primary. And this guy above is either a troll or a racist as well.

That being said, I really don't see how affirmative action is a good idea. It results in people, who are not necessarily racist, being suspect of professionals of color because they question whether they are qualified, or just got the position because they are black. It is likely untrue most of the time, but the perception still exists.

It is true though that places like medical and dental schools have minority quotas that must be filled and they do lower admissions standards for them if needed to fill the quota.

Wouldn't it make sense that those who are most qualified for a position get the position, regardless of race? That just makes good sense for the economy.

I don't see how we can truly ever become colorblind with policies like affirmative action because it continually keeps race in the spotlight and that in turn just creates more racism.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

I'm sorry. You completely ignore the racism and bigotry, and concentrate only on AA.

You offer nothing, of a positive nature.

[-] -1 points by Mooks (1985) 2 years ago

How open-minded of you.

[-] 0 points by aflockofdoofi (-18) 2 years ago

Then why did California ban AA in college admissions?

[-] 2 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

No comment on the bumper sticker?

No comment on the bigotry of (R)epelican'ts?

This isn't only about AA.

[-] 0 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

democrat racist/bigots,.................FDR, hugo black, al shaprton, robert byrd, al gore sr, ernest hollings, jesse jackson, dan rather, cragg hines,gephardt, andrew cuomo,l.p. brown, marry berry, ray nagin,billy mckinney, fullbright, ervin, wallace, faubus,hoolan , smathers, mcclellan, russell, talmadge,stennis, thurmond,maddox,donna brazile,

[-] 1 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

Name dropper.

Still no comment on the blatant racism of the sticker?

[-] 0 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

you don't know it the sticker was photo shopped, you don't know if it's real, you don't know if it was done by a lib/dem to inflame.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

It's not like it's first one like that I've seen, it's just more blatantly racist.

Let alone what I've heard and overheard actual (R)epelican'ts say.

There are without a doubt a lot of racists in that party.

Lying teabaggers included.

[-] 0 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

What have you heard "actual " republicans say? how about jesse jackson, al sharpton, al gore sr, faubus, wallace, andrew cuomo fulbright, fdr, hugo black, billy mckinney, robert byrd,ernest hollings, dan rather, cragg hines, gephardt, lee p. brown, mary berry, ray nagin, sam ervin, russell,hill, sparkman, holland , smathers,mccellan,talmadge,ellender, long,eastland, stennis,jordan, johnston, thurmond,walters, robinson and H. byrd, maddox,donna brazile? most of the names you're not familiar with voted against integration. 40% of the house democrats voted against the civil rights act while 80% of the republicans voted for it. republican support for it was even higher among the senate republicans.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 2 years ago

I live today, and speak with real people.

I won't repeat anymore of what they've said to me here.

They are racists, and they are pure (R)epelican't, and they are vary ugly.



[+] -8 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

You are the joke aflockofdoofi . Change your name to POS and we will agree that it is so.

Go hate on a supremacist site.

You have no place and no standing - HERE.

[-] 1 points by aflockofdoofi (-18) 2 years ago

AA is racist. It excluded Asians at the benefit of whites, Latinos, and African Americans. If that isnt racism, you tell me.

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

You can interpret it as you will ( as you already have ).

Affirmative action could be so much more than it is.

Affirmative action would not be necessary if the law of the land was enforced equally.

If corruption was not allowed to work it's ways - We would not need to be here today, listening to attackers/haters like you.

You provide clear living proof that we in the movements against corruption are doing exactly the right things.

Sad your only good attribute is your personal reflection of what is wrong.

[-] 0 points by aflockofdoofi (-18) 2 years ago

Again, as always, no addressing of the discrimination clear in AA.

BTW what are you talking sbout. Your post makes no sense. What law is not being enforced?

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Try consumer fraud for 1. Try fixing the books for another. Try wrongful foreclosures for another. There are so many to choose from it makes my head spin. How about oil futures speculation - no bearing on reality at all.

Before you challenge me to defend this comment. I don't need to. There are plenty of posts including links to documentation already on this Forum. Many of which you have been to.

So stop beating a dead horse it is not going to get-up.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Why do newwurdodor and froggy not live on this post - oh right - they would have to be against racism and hatred - and as far as I can tell they live for their brand of racism/hatred.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago


What they are is disingenuous.

To apply a euphemism.

They have supplied nothing but rhetoric, and lame links.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

In my view - they are just posting BS to disrupt this forum - but how sad if they really were that kind of deranged and mindless hater.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

Elaborate though.

Phony links to nowhere and highly questionable pages.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

It is very disturbing to see how much they enjoy the crap that they are spewing.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17714) 1 year ago

The dead link tie to OccupyHouston bothers me the most.

Could it be a personal vendetta?

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I think the 2(?) of them are working together - for whatever reason - to disrupt this forum.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (34992) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Hate mongers - typical. It is funny that if you take the top of their sticker at face value. It actually calls for the reelection of President Obama.

Stupidity is real.

Unite in common cause. End corruption and it's manipulations.

Clearly education is failing. Haters can't even stay on point in their hate.

A source for blind marchers is the uneducated.

End corruption running wild in our society in our world.