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Forum Post: How to get 40 percent of country to appreciate a Change in course is needed.

Posted 2 weeks ago on June 26, 2018, 10:15 a.m. EST by gsw (3147) from Woodbridge Township, NJ
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Democrats in the United States are already falling into this trap. They’re not going to win the 2020 presidential elections by convincing Donald Trump supporters that they were wrong to vote for him last November or that they’re responsible for his failures in office. Instead, as author and psychology professor Robert Cialdini explains, Democrats must offer Trump supporters a way to get out of their prior commitment while saving face: “Well, of course you were in a position to make that decision in November because no one knew about X.” https://www.theladders.com/career-advice/facts-dont-change-peoples-minds-heres-what-does

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[-] 1 points by gsw (3147) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 2 weeks ago

Ex-Republican Operative Steve Schmidt: 'The Party of Trump Must Be Obliterated. Annihilated. Destroyed

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/steve-schmidt-party-of-trump-obliterated-w521978 Under Trump, he wrote, the party had become "corrupt, indecent, and immoral." With the exception of a select few, the GOP was "filled with feckless cowards who disgrace and dishonor the legacies of the party's greatest leaders." He pointed to the Trump administration's family separation policy and use of detention centers for young immigrant children – "internment camps for babies" – and the refusal of House Speaker Paul Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell to repudiate the president.

In the days since, Schmidt's former party brethren appear to have confirmed his prognosis. First, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee tweeted an image of five heavily tattooed Hispanic-looking men – ostensibly gang members – with the message: "Nancy Pelosi introduces her campaign committee for the take back of the House." Huckabee's tweet was roundly criticized as bigoted and xenophobic. (He stiff-armed these accusations.) On Sunday, David Bossie, a veteran conservative activist who was Trump's deputy campaign manager in 2016, told a black panelist on Fox News that he was "out of his cotton-picking mind." (Bossie later apologized.) These weren't the dog whistles of yore; this was plain-as-day bigotry and racism

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[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8485) from Phoenix, AZ 2 weeks ago

It didn't take Trump for me to realize the GOP must die.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 weeks ago

Go Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and how come it didn't take Hellary Rotten Clinton; Blow Job Bill

and Bollocks Obomber, for U to "realize" that GOP-lite ''must die'' too?! Watch this Mr.Partisan:

'Til U face & accept just how RW Dems are,U'll stay in the dark. Real Eyes; Realize; Real Lies!

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 days ago

''America’s New Revolutionaries show how The Left can win'', byGeorge Monbiot:

''The little-known history of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s victory in a New York primary hints at the coming transformation.''

Re.your xcllt link, see my reply here: http://occupywallst.org/article/lehman-brothers/#comment-1075826

dum spiro, spero ...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 weeks ago

As Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defeats GOPlite/Corp.Dem behemoth Joe Crowley - in the race for NY14 House seat .. the real point to take away is NOT some Corp./DNC sanctioned crappy "Blue Wave" - of Corporation friendly Dem. Party robots .. but an actual movement OF The 99%; BY The 99%; FOR the 99%! NB:

Ocasio-Cortez has a pretty incredible explanation of Socialism ... "There is no other force, there is no other party, there is no other real ideology out there right now that is asserting the minimum elements necessary to lead a dignified American life." from ...

veritas vos liberabit ...

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[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8485) from Phoenix, AZ 2 weeks ago

Shadz are you finally interested in doing something besides electing the GOP? That is good news! Yes I agree people should get involved in the primaries and pick good people, BTW she won, Big Time!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 weeks ago

Ocasio-Cortez on Socialism .. "There is no other force, there is no other party, there is no other real ideology out there right now that is asserting the minimum elements necessary to lead a dignified American life."

So, re. your GOP-lite idiocy (aka Corp.Dem/DLC addiction) ... are U 'frf' going to do anything but kiss

Corporate DNC/HRC arse - even as U hide behind a real Berniecrat, OWS, Democratic Socialist like

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez? U are closer to GOP than I'll ever be, but Zero-Sum Game Binary has U!

Have U dealt with this http://occupywallst.org/forum/crime-and-punishment/#comment-1075711 yet?

Or have U even heard her speak? Do try to listen up here:

Will U take this to your Corp.Dem flunkies in Arizona and how are U "Killing GOP" there or anywhere?

The GOP will NOT be defeated by aping it! GOPlite does NOT cut it & so ... Alex O-C shows the way!

ad iudicium ...

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 weeks ago

Alex Ocasio-Cortez was a Bernie campaign local organizer. She knows it isn't difficult to be honest with people, IF U are honest with yourself! She knows that The 1% OF a 1% - are calling the shots in U$A!!

She knows that the advantage of telling the truth is that she will never have to remember what it is that she is supposed to say!!! And that it's all here already IF people really want a change they can believe:

Thanx for the links. U are right. A O-C is ''The Future''! OWS was/is the wind behind Bernie. Solidarity wishes to U & yours. OWS' & The 99%'s struggle goes on. Both the GOP & GOP-lite can count on it!

dum spiro, spero ...

[-] 1 points by grapes (5184) 2 weeks ago

She's a maniac! Yes, yes, yes!!!

Spit out coporalite. It's "inflammable."

"I'll have what she's having." Me, too.

"Es gibt auch Meisterstalag 13." Jawohl, Herr Kommandant!

"What's that big black disc?" We are Millennials... Not Stupids.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 weeks ago

So what are U actually talking about grapes?!

This is really the only video that matters here:

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by grapes (5184) 2 weeks ago

"BOTH parties are owned & controlled by People Before Profit Psychos!"

I have no problem with the "People Before Profit Psychos!"

The great empires surrounding Poland divided it up amongst themselves in the Nineteenth Century. Poland was reunified, later repartitioned, and reconstituted in the Twentieth Century in war after war. Prussia's Königsberg is now Russia's Kaliningrad. Its free port of Danzig is now Poland's Gdansk. DDR came under the thumb of the USSR. It's no accident that DDR's national anthem had better drum the idea of not recovering old Prussia subliminally into DDR youth's minds. Russia doesn't want Germany to try to recover Kaliningrad where Russia under the USSR regime had committed large-scale ethnic cleansing of the German-speaking population there. As Russia had annexed Crimea ( if Ukraine had foresight, it should have ethnically cleansed Crimea of its Russian-speaking population as Russia had done to Königsberg's German-speaking population,) Germany should annex Gdansk and Kaliningrad and rename them as Danzig and Königsberg, respectively. I saw old maps marking them so. We need to ethnic-cleanse Poland and Russia to recover Preussen. War will be the never-ending story. Nazi soldiers said of their dreams of owning farms on the fertile soil of Ukraine and garnishing the oil of the Caucasus and Caspian Sea for the Wehrmacht's conquest of the German-speaking world. The captured Slavs could work for the Aryan master race's farms as slaves, as they had been aptly named. Hmm, the U.S. should ethnically cleanse our Southwest of its Spanish-speaking population to head off a potential Donbass/Luhansk East-Ukraine warring situation. The captured Hispanics can work on Mitt Romney's interstate dog pound.

I am actually talking about this matter of oscillating, disappearing, reappearing, etc. of the various states' dominions. In many bloody wars, Berlin has overrun others and been overrun itself a few times. The matter of who owes whom and what due to the past wars is rather fuzzy depending on the time periods each state chooses. Many countries still cannot get over this fixation and mentally dwell in the last century or even earlier, with the Middle-East being stuck at a few millennia ago due to its being the fountainhead of monotheistic religions with BOTH superiority and inferiority complexes running rampant.

I have claims for my ancestral properties which had been confiscated, declared "abandoned," or usurped, occupied, sold to vultures by governments ( why did I have to cut my milk teeth on soot and eat the sweet honey-glazed cracker { to be honest, I enjoyed this treat but you can guess correctly that my sweet tooth hurt me from my "pursuit of happiness"--in excess without the prophylactics of brushing teeth clean after sweets, pleasure led to pain but I didn't know about oral bacteria, their oxidation of carbohydrates to carbonic acid which dissolves calcium in teeth making them holey and painful at every bite of food chewed; my epiphany much later in life was that none of that pain was necessary if I had just kept my teeth low in bacterial count and devoid of sweets by brushing, rinsing after eating carbohydrates, and disinfecting a few times a week; if I worship my mouth in "the people's temple" after eating carbohydrates, "I can have it all"--there is karma but a bit of Shiva's eternal flame of creation and destruction is within me as in that redwood tree so I am a lord of karma by my birthright, livingright, and deathright } trade-recycled from a neighborhood garbage dump, huh? ) but I am not going to raise an army to get them back. In turn, I hope that the Original Americans don't show up on my doorsteps and kick me out of their ancestral properties that had been stolen by the laws ( and guns, of course, what else do you think is actually backing up the laws? )

It's great never to forget so that we can avoid repeating the past catastrophes but to forgive, despite that memory, is Divine: 》Auferstanden aus Ruinen/ Und der Zukunft zu gewandt,/《

The DDR secret police, die Staatssicherheit, was notoriously terrible in a Biblical prophetic manner turning fathers against sons, sons against fathers, mothers against daughters, daughters against mothers, neighbors against neighbors, and everyone against everyone else all in the name of "national security" but how sweet it had sounded in DDR's national anthem: 》Wenn wir brüderlich uns einen,/ Schlagen wir des Volkes Feind./《 It represents the awful broken dream of Socialism as handmaidened by Totalitarianism, deserving our youth's shedding of tears.

Capitalism as handmaidened by Totalitarianism is NO better. There's hope though from a broken umbrella's steel ribs that we the neighborhood kids had found in a neighborhood garbage dump. God put His rainbow in the sky after Noah's Flood as a token of His Covenant with us and all living ( Note this! God is "the Breath of Life," the running and not dead operating system software of the Universe ) creatures below. It's an inspiration writ large for all generations to see and for all time that God is an ROYGBIVX ( LGBTQAIX in NSA-encrypted Gibberish ) archer whom we should emulate.

As a kid playing in a neighborhood garbage dump, I tried to emulate the NSA, which got the American Shogun fired, to grab hold of the shiny key to almighty power wrapped within a sharp steel strip removed from a can of SPAM that had been opened with the key. As I was unwinding the steel strip, it slipped and cut my finger to the bone. Blood spewed out. While crying out loudly, I ran home fast to my Mom. She bent my finger, wrapped it tightly in a piece of cloth, and took me to the emergency room. I experienced efficient and effective national healthcare firsthand. I did have a second hand but my first hand was painful enough! The emergency room was almost devoid of patients so my finger was quickly disinfected and stitched up. It didn't take three hours! No one asked me whether I was fucking with that mysterious woman, "Aetna," when my finger slipped. Maybe it was due to my young age so it didn't flash across their minds that a preschooler could be fucking but they could conceivably have asked me, "did you have SPAM?" instead of "Aetna." Thus ended my kiddy quest for absolute power as the dictator of a dead-turkey-sandwich ant farm. Blood atoned for Sin.

Well, in order to make myself feel better, I could still go back to the garbage dump, whip out my firehose, and golden-flood the red and black ants fighting each other over that crumb of dead-turkey-sandwich. As I exercised my bit of the power of Shiva's hair with the Golden Flood making all of the ants scurry for higher grounds, I said unto myself, "I am become Flood, the Destroyer of Strife!" Mx. Peacemaker was sent to Stockholm for my Syndrome award.

In Christianity, blood is an offering to God. To honor God, we the neighborhood children pinned the toxic toad, which we had caught from an open-sewer drainage ditch, onto a wooden board, propped the board up at one end of the dump, lined up in a queue, and shot at it in turn using our steel bows and arrows made from the ribs of the broken umbrella that didn't shield somebody from the Deluge pouring down from the firmament above. Toad bled and twitched. Its blood redeemed the Romulans who had built for the ants the eternal-until-the-Golden-Flood city of Antwarp. Hallelujah!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 1 week ago

''America the Failed State'', by Chis Hedges:

When U say: ''I have no problem with the 'People Before Profit Psychos'!", U can consider me

diametrically opposed to that sentiment, as "Capitalism IS handmaidened by Totalitarianism''!!

As for rest of your screed .. "did you have SPAM?''!!! Re. the ''Socialism'' I advocate for, see ...

verum ex absurdo ...

[-] 1 points by grapes (5184) 1 week ago

You want "Profit Before People Psychos?" Really?

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 days ago

No, U twit, I did NOT say that: ''I have no problem with the 'People Before Profit Psychos'" .. I was just

quoting U, ffs!!! Maybe if U read wTf U yourself write, instead of writing obtuse & obscure screeds, it'd

help U & others to understand what it is .. that U are actually trying to say?! Reread the exchange abv.

ad iudicium ...

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8485) from Phoenix, AZ 1 week ago

You mean truth like the Greens have no chance don't waste your vote. Or how about the truth that if you want to have an impact you should get involved in the Democratic primaries and nominate good people.

[-] 0 points by ImNotMe (1488) 6 days ago

So still bleating about The US Greens, factsRfukt?!!! U pro status quo, conservative ass kissing tool!!

Fuck U and your Corp. GOP-lite, Dem fixations! So - guess what, fool? .. a) A O-C self-identifies with

''Democratic Socialists of America" .. and: b) Now guess whoTF again wants a POTUS run in 2020?!

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8485) from Phoenix, AZ 5 days ago

So truth stops when it comes to your fucking Greens?

The TRUTH is voting for a Green is stupid as shit because it only helps elect the GOP but you don't give a shit about TRUTH!

At least Alex Ocasio-Cortez isn't a stupid shit like you, YOU are nothing but a shit Political hack pushing your Party at the cost of everything else!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 days ago

Still trapped in Zero-Sum Game Binary b-s, frf?! Still wearing Al Gore's A$$ as a hat, factsRfukt?!! And

still making $H!T up, while failing to deal with the evidence provided that proves U wrong?!!! I'm NOT a

Green but it's "The TRUTH" that Stein's platform was closer to OWS' & Bernie's than ANY mainstream

Dem and it is clear that U want to claim Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as a mainstream GOPlite Dem, but I

do agree that she "isn't a stupid shit like you" lol! I'm an Independent Internationalist Socialist, whereas

U .. are just another parochial conservative traditionalist for U$A's Dirty, Duplicitous, Duopoly Delusion!

et temet nosce!

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8485) from Phoenix, AZ 4 days ago

Still denying reality?

and electing the GOP...and why not?...after all, you LOVE Donald Trump!

The fact is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez will be running as a Democrat, NOT a fucking Green because SHE is not stupid as shit, like YOU!

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 days ago

'DUOPOLY' is the "reality'' .. that U have been ''denying'' - for as long as your RW, reactionary arse has

been here! ALL your efforts are about inflating Corp. Dems, because U are in TOTAL denial about how

RW and Corp. co-opted & controlled the DNC & DEM Establishment are!! One minute U accuse me of

being a US Green and another minute, U think I "LOVE Donald Trump'' LOL!!! Consider the following...

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has my full support in her struggle against the Corp.Dems ... but she should

beware the Corp. Bankers who detest her but own the Dems/DNC! Keep denying this reality, but know

that I'll be putting U right at every opportunity, as I will never support your attempts at Co-option here!!!

e tenebris, lux?

[-] -1 points by DavidJameson (-82) 3 days ago

You want people to vote for small parties that can't win to give Trump a better chance at re-election?

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 days ago

I'm NOT surprised Trashy-Manqué that U too are a fan of U$A's Corporate Duopoly! Now, address this:

So I'm guessing that U either don't know or care that both Dems & GOP were born as 3rd Party rebels?

multum in parvo!

[-] 0 points by DavidJameson (-82) 3 days ago

I consider both Dems and GOP a bad choice, but I view Trump as a worse choice then the Dems. I don't consider them equivalent like you do.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8485) from Phoenix, AZ 2 weeks ago

Alex Ocasio-Cortez was recruited by the Justice Democrats did you know that? Do you remember me posting about them over 6 months ago? If you would remove your head from your ass and stop electing the GOP you too could become part of the revolution.

For any who want to do something other than elect the GOP, there is Justice Democrats.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/for-any-who-want-to-do-something-other-than-elect-/

[-] -1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 weeks ago

Who did Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez beat? And how times does she mention "Justice Democrats" here..

Looks like she has to fight RW Corp.Dems / DNC, machine .. BEFORE she gets to beat the Repugnant!

U're the one wearing Hellary Rotten Clinton's well padded A$$ as a cowboy hat!! U Dem adickted loon!!!

Your Zero-Sum Game, Binary Fixation wants to ignore facts in favor of fantasy & fables of Dem integrity!

veritas vos liberabit ...

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8485) from Phoenix, AZ 2 weeks ago

She ran because the Justice Democrats recruited her, the Justice Democrats are part of a huge revolution that is sweeping the nation, you should get involved.

Hillary who?

You should MoveOn.

Your ability to completely ignore reality rivals that of any Trump supporter.

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 weeks ago

Here's Alex O-C in her own words:

The "reality", is Corporate Duopoly!

She knows it; shame that U do not!

STOP kissing DNC ass & .. WTFU!

Here is the fkn problem with Dems:

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22884) 2 weeks ago

Marches across the nation today in support of keeping immigrant families together.

Protest and solidarity and learning how to voice concerns is one way to get 40 percent of the country to realize that we can not only fight for change but we can actually bring about that change. Power in numbers!

Thousands are marching today against Trump's cruel immigration policies.

thttps://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/thousands-across-u-s-join-keep-families-together-march-protest-n888006

In the end, one thing Trump has done which is good is he has politicized a lot of people! That's a good thing and maybe more Alexandria Ocasio Cortes' will come out of that.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5184) 2 weeks ago

I just love it when the newsmaker makes fake news into news. My constipated kid told me, "sooner or later, it will ALL come back out!" I savor and miss the days when we were told, "you are fired! And you, and you!" as the black-leather executive chair spun a tizzy after having been mounted by the kid. Die Gedankenpolizeisäuberung gefällt mir. Ich liebe die amerikanische Staatssicherheit.

The solution to an entanglement of the constitutional sort is to purge and perch. Eat and drink more per my kid's tried-and-true ( Enviromental Pollution Agency's caveat: immediately engage a high-caliber oil/gas service company should hydraulic hydrofracking become necessary to dislodge the tight gas for it to escape ) scientific prescription for liquidating constipation.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8485) from Phoenix, AZ 2 weeks ago

Some of us voted to stop Trump from winning, not enough a lot voted for the ego whore Greens and let Trump win too bad more weren't there to stop him from winning in the first place.

Will you show "solidarity" as we approach election day or will you "go your own way" to make "a point"?

I have posted about these people before, here is a link to the group that got Alex started on her way to Congress.

https://now.justicedemocrats.com/candidates

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8485) from Phoenix, AZ 2 weeks ago

You can continue to elect the GOP and Donald Trumps, after all we all know you LOVE Donald Trump and ALL he does,. but some like Alex O-C will join with the Democrats to defeat them.

Here is a link to people who are actually trying to stop Trump rather than working like you to elect more GOP, you can see Alex near the middle of the page.

https://now.justicedemocrats.com/candidates

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 weeks ago

Alex O-C has figured it out, so ... WHY haven't U?!

  1. BOTH parties are owned by Banks!

  2. BOTH parties are slaves to Corporations!

  3. BOTH parties are prepared to spy on Americans!

  4. BOTH parties will continue with The Police State in USA!

  5. BOTH parties support US War Machine and start Illegal Wars!

  6. BOTH parties want to continue The War on Drugs causing migration!

  7. BOTH parties are owned & controlled by People Before Profit Psychos!

  8. BOTH parties pay lip service to US Democracy, while defending Oligarchy!

  9. BOTH GOP AND GOP-lite ... ARE THE PROBLEM - AND NOT THE SOLUTION!

Also note, if U dare ...

A O-C "recruited" herself and her Bronx/Queens NYC community! U have NOTHING to say about Corp.

Dems like Pelosi & A O-C's defeated DEM OPPONENT tho' - have U factsRfukt? Why?! Because U are

totally fkn adickted to the Dems - aren't U?!! There is a Left/Liberal/Prgressive fighting to get out of your

MSM/Establishment programmed conservative self, so do yourself a favor now and try to LET IT OUT!!!

BTfknW, how about U show a single piece of evidence of me .. ''supporting or loving'' tRUMP - that does

NOT rely to your persistent Zero-Sum Game Binary of: ''GOP; Bad / GOPlite; Good'', schizoid horseshit!

Maybe conservative attachment to youthful JFK/RFK liberal politics, is now clouding present judgement?

Whatever your major malfunction re.Dems, U won't inspire A O-C type youth, with your Binary Bullcrap!!

ad iudicium ...

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8485) from Phoenix, AZ 1 week ago

Alexandria ran because the Justice Democrats asked her to, you should get involved electing good people like her by supporting other Justice Democrat candidates.

https://now.justicedemocrats.com/candidates

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8485) from Phoenix, AZ 2 weeks ago

Alex Ocasio-Cortez was recruited by the Justice Democrats. Here's a link to a post I put up about them about 7 months ago.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/for-any-who-want-to-do-something-other-than-elect-/