Forum Post: CO2 and Temperature
Posted 8 years ago on Jan. 7, 2016, 8:51 a.m. EST by factsrfun
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Over the past 55 years there has been an over 80 ppm rise in CO2, from 1960 to 1970 the average rise was .8 ppm per year, 70-80 1.3 ppm, 80-90 1.6 ppm, 90-00 1.2 ppm, 00-10 1.4 ppm, 10-15 2.2 ppm. We know there is a delay in CO2 increase and the effect, how much of a delay is not certain(~40 years is current best theory). If the current weather effects are the result of energy being trapped by increasing CO2 with a 40 year delay we are in for increasingly severe weather for many decades to come.
''In Arctic, Ancient Diseases Reanimate and Highways Melt as Temperatures Hit "Frenzy" of Records'', by Dahr Jamail:
caveat ...
I see great opportunity in selling air conditioning in Anchorage.
''For the cost of an iPhone, you can now buy a wind turbine that can power an entire house for lifetime'' ...
''Indian startup Avant Garde Innovations has developed a low-cost wind turbine that can generate 3-5 kW hours of electricity daily''! Never mind ''selling air-conditioning in Anchorage", sell this to Arizona instead!
fiat lux ...
Alas ''selling air conditioning in Anchorage'' - is funny and frightening, all at the same time! Also - fyi in #S17 Solidarity, perhaps consider this link ...
spero meliora ...
''The media largely relegate the greatest challenge facing humanity to footnotes, as industry and politicians hurtle us towards systemic collapse of the planet.'' - from ...
CO2, CH4 & H2O are Greenhouse Gasses! Positive Feedback is kicking in! It isn't looking good!
ad iudicium ...
Obama's early funding for solar is helping some, solar is the now the cheapest form of new electrical power in most places, but we lost 16 years because of Nader and the Greens not getting fully behind Gore in 2000, it's a lot harder to see why one would support Hillary, and as I study the data I don't know if it matters anymore, for young people it's tough to give up hope, but I think we are in for some really bad times over the next 50 years or so, and it just gets worst after that..
We did NOT lose 16 years of converting to solar because most of the price drops in solar came during the last few years. China's driving down the cost of crystallized silicon was the biggest factor. Obama's early funding for solar was no match for China's state subsidies. He brought a knife to a gunfight. It's not that it's all bad due to the cheap solar as an outcome but it has become a virtual Chinese monopoly, read that as no U.S. jobs.
Coal is still cheaper than solar but using it externalizes its health and environmental costs. Societies bear these costs in whole. Believe me, solar beats coal once we have accounted for the externalized costs. As an analogy, some smokers say that they save society money because they die earlier and relieve societies' having to fund their socialized retirements. What's wrong with their argument? Should their argument be correct, isn't an excellent way to relieve Social Security and Medicare funding pressures is to promote smoking by everyone?
I lived with burning coal before by "business" neighbors. I had soot smears on my face, on my clothes, dustings on my foods, and on my walls, but what had really upset me was that I eventually realized that my persistent dry coughs disappeared after I had been moved away to a "regulated" neighborhood and started using electricity. As a child, I was harmed but I didn't know better and I couldn't do better even if I did. I'm not a child anymore, except to God perhaps. We can do better for ourselves and our children, by moving away from coal. The future is not dark as a hole in the ground but sunny and electric.
Nader killed the planet when he put his name on the ballot in New Hampshire.
The kleptocracy and the rigged system, not Nader, "killed the planet." The billions of people aspiring to live the rich life by the same way as the West are also culpable.
It's a bit like two non-twin siblings going to college. The first one there used up most of the parents' money so the second one holds them up for more money to fund college. Equality in identity form is sometimes absolutely impossible.
many straws are in the basket but Nader's ego was the finial straw, Nader knew full well he could not win yet he bathed in the glory of 5 million votes, fools who want things to change while they themselves refuse to choose are as bad as those that line their pockets with the planet's ashes
Decades later, it's still the same old lie, la, lie. Janus whispered, "Campaign with poetry, govern with prose." Liars.
it can never change while the people refuse to choose
It matters not what the people choose: All roads lead to the depravities surrounded by the seven hills of ancient Rome. The Road Not Taken is as good as any road taken. Choice is no choice. No, no, is yes, no, no, yes?
yes
The young have been sold down the river by their parents' & grandparents' generation! Corporate Owned and Con-trolled Democraps (mainly politicians .. as opposed to long suffering voters) and The Corporate Owned Repugnants have NO answers for the problems people face!! Doing more of the same, expecting new and different results by voting Dem again ... is the definition of hope over evidence .. if not madness {as defined by Albert Einstein}!!! Don't get apoplectic - but do try to see the worth of the following links...
https://twitter.com/DrJillStein
https://www.facebook.com/drjillstein and
also see http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/37114-can-jill-carry-bernie-s-baton-a-look-at-the-green-candidate-s-radical-funding-solution
Your fixations on a Corporate Co-opted Democratic Party, which sells out The 99% .. can be overcome! Indeed that the young get on & start a 3rd Party to appeal to the 50% who are Registered as ''No Party'' Independents - is of paramount importance! More of the same, won't result in The New Ideas USA need!
dum spiro, spero ...
Nader killed the planet when he put his name on the ballot in New Hampshire.
A Green TEA Party would work.
Nope. Nader has been a warrior for The 99% his whole life: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Nader
So I revert to this - http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-liberals-have-to-be-radicals/#comment-1071750
ad iudicium...
Nader is a ego whore that only cares about himself. He is a lying bag of shit that went all over the country saying he could find no difference between Bush and Gore and by doing so he led 5 million to vote for him and allowed W Bush to get close enough to steal it in 2000 which led to the Iraq War and Citizens United and delayed solar investment till it was most likely too late and thus killing the planet. None on Earth are as filthy as "Nader the Ego Whore".
Creation of a "Green TEA Party" to push the Dems to left in primaries and to NEVER put names on the ballot that could elect Republicans is a path if there's any point left to it...
Here we go again! The same DNC/HRC two-step!! In the "United States of Amnesia'' (Gore Vidal)!!!
Do I really have to put you straight on this matter again frf? OR are u willing to reconsider your reply?
Re. ''Green TEA Party'' - well both OWS and The Berner Movement could've been exactly that, right?
BUT Corporate Dems/DNC reject OWS & all that Bernie stands for, whereas GOP embrace The TP!
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/37660-big-banks-and-oligarchy-a-conversation-with-henry-giroux & then see IF you can handle this recent Video Link re. your favourite political pin-up:
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/37661-two-party-tyranny-ralph-nader-on-exclusion-of-third-party-candidates-from-first-presidential-debate VidLink via Amy Goodman & DemocracyNow!
And I revert to this http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-liberals-have-to-be-radicals/#comment-1071750
But IF you do not want to read or engage with any of that then do please just read this insightful link
quid pro quo?
OWS let the world down because it didn't want to get involved, or make a choice.
There is no "two step" if you cut off one of the feet, then the dancer/system falls down.
''OWS let the world down because it didn't get involved..''?!!! REALLY?!! Go get a grip outside Duopoly frf!
''FIVE YEARS LATER, OCCUPY WALL STREET HAS CHANGED AMERICA IN BIG WAYS'' by Matt Terzi: http://firebrandleft.com/five-years-later-occupy-wall-street-changed-america-big-ways/
Per your OP: http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/37839-standing-together-to-protect-the-earth &
also this .. http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/37780-the-super-rich-are-cruising-the-arctic-s-new-passageway-as-the-world-burns by Dahr Jamail
ad iudicium ...
In 2009-2011, one of the feet was subdued by voters but the dancer/system did not fall down. There were the money-grubbing blue dogs joining the discredited in-name-only conservatives to block doing things in attempts to extort.
meanwhile naive kids danced in the park
Wrong time, Zuccotti Park's occupation started on 2011-9-17 so single-party domination was largely over. In the following comment of yours:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/nothing-really-surprising-in-the-election-this-yea/#comment-1071806
you still called for the same old method that Micah White deemed to have failed.
Occupying physical space was too old-fashioned. I understood the power of occupying mind space after I couldn't ever get the National Anthem out of my mind after Mark Spitz's seven Olympic gold medal wins in Munich in 1972 as well as the horror of the ski-masked terrorists. Nor could I ever forget why I associated the Stars and Stripes Forever with magical power.
The power centers were and still are in the boardrooms. Occupying parks has some effect sometimes but ultimately the boards decide with their minds.
http://www.spiritualresearchfoundation.org/spiritualresearch/spiritualhealing/how-to-perform-agnihotra
THERE IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO.
thanks for the link, there are many paths..
I think I should have added more links to this.
This kind of goes along with the Nader poem.
It seems the only thing people on the forum care about these days is killing the Democratic Party.
For all the mayhem in the world they caused over the past few years, maybe taking the Dems down is not a bad idea.
Maybe then the CO2 levels will go down.
so you would hand things over to the GOP?
The Green TEA Party is the only way, take over in the primaries and stay off of the ballot.
Both major parties need to go. Trump is working on taking down the GOP (sic). Now it is up to the rest of us to take down the Dems. Yeh, vote for Stein and the Greens; that will help.
It will help elect Trump just as in 2000 it helped elect W Bush, but my question is how does that help anything? are we better off that 5 million voted for Nader instead of Gore? Where is the huge growth of the Greens following 2000?
Anything to keep the Hag out of the White House helps. Though Trump is not appealing either, at least he is not pscyho enough to push the red button; at least he might not be. Regarding the Hag, she certainly is, and will definately push the button first chance she has, and then it is all over for all of us as the planet will go up in smoke. CO2 will become irrelavent.
So are you insane or a Republican?
Shule is sane. Both he and I live in New York, New York where Trump's business empire's capital is. Chappaqua, home of the rustling leaves(not even venison, just winds!), is unlikely to be targeted even by a dart, not to mention a nuclear missile. Regarding the amount of collateral at stake, Trump has far more at stake (viz., his family as human shield) here than Clintoris does.
If Trump assumes the Presidency, he will see to the destruction of GOP very well. He may even emulate Poo Tin the Great and institute "die amerikanische Staatssicherheit." Imagine that, "I'm from the A.S.S." and the whole world quivers in fear.
So are you both Republicans then?
No, labels don't mean much. I think having Trump's family members as human shield is good enough for me. I frankly hate the idea of moving to a place where I must adopt a dog to be my best friend. There was also that stinkiest tidal pool which assaulted my sense of smell, not to mention the political cesspool.
If I desire the variety and depth of these experiences(save the stink though - holes down, D.C. wins pool. ), I know that New York can do me better.
naive
Chappaqua's carpetbaggers have nothing to lose if the Bronx, Brooklyn, and Queens were plagued by unemployment, crimes, suicides, poverty, violence, diseases, and deaths. They didn't care even after NAFTA and Graham-Leach-Bliley had devastated the U.S. and still pushed more trade deals and favors for Wall Street. They pioneered the cynical approach to the party platform so Bernie would become yet another suckered old fart.
The carpetbaggers are not business people who know why a vibrant economy is important for real estate property owners and managers and why the rich, the poor, can all play a role in prosperity and happiness. They just jumped from one sucked-dry welt to another spot, like fleas. They had to keep on moving or die.
China and India will be the executioners for planet Earth's Homo population. Homo evolution went from H. habilis (handy sex toys), H. erectus (getting result), H. sapiens (getting GOOPy and all wet), and to the Void(Scheiße).
¿Tera eRex o Mx. Cheese? ¿San Bernardino o Alhambra?
República Chiquita, Gringos y Fernando.