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Forum Post: AIPAC obviously provided the guns and bullets to the Muslim rebels

Posted 10 years ago on Sept. 10, 2013, 7:28 a.m. EST by mideast (506)
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More clashes in southern Philippines' Zamboanga city Combat police forces check on their comrade (centre) who was hit by sniper fire in downtown Zamboanga in the Philippines on 9 September 2013 Several people were injured in Monday's clashes

A stand-off between Philippine troops and Muslim rebels has continued for a second day, with reports of civilians being used as "human shields".

At least four people were killed in Monday's violence in Zamboanga city in Mindanao, in the south of the country.

Clashes began when a faction of the Moro National Liberation Front (MNLF) moved into the city early on Monday.

Gunshots were heard in Zamboanga early on Tuesday, reports said, and residents had fled areas hit by fighting.

All classes have been suspended and flights to and from Zamboanga have been cancelled, the city government said.

Additional troops have also arrived in Zamboanga to support the hundreds already deployed in the unrest.

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[-] 6 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

Wanna talk about AIPAC ?

''AIPAC does not drive Middle Eastern policy in the United States. I am afraid it's much worse than that. AIPAC is one of an array of powerful and well-funded neoconservative institutions that worship force and drive our relations with the rest of the world. These Neoconservatives choose an 'enemy' and then our compliant class of journalists, specialists, military analysts, columnists and television commentators line up to serve as giddy cheerleaders for war. Moments like these always make me embarrassed to be a reporter. Our political elite, Republican and Democrat, finds in this ideology a simple, childish allure. This ideology does not require cultural, historical or linguistic literacy. It reduces the world to black and white, good and evil. The drumbeat for war with Iran sounded by AIPAC is part of this broad, sick, binary vision of a world that can be subjugated by force, a world where all will be made to kneel before these corporate & neoconservative elites, where none including finally us, will be permitted to whisper dissent.''

There's also the 'grow up & join the dots' option of course, bensdad but that'll take at least 77 minutes :

multum in parvo ...

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3340) 10 years ago

I had my attention drawn here by the sillyness below and I am forced to agree with 'vagabond' - a great comment! I am cross referring you to my recent comment here http://occupywallst.org/forum/an-israel-palestine-single-state-solution-map-incl/#comment-1007845 .

Also, I've watched your linked video when you attached it in reply on my 'Inside Job' thread and I'll really strongly recommend it to everyone who reads here because it is excellent.

Never Give Up Joining The Dots & Sharing The Information! Occupy The Future! Solidarity.

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

''The real point is more that we're all from somewhere at some point but should we all simply be able to 'reclaim' on dubious or historical or both grounds, lands that we assume we come from? If we extend this logic to everyone everywhere - then there would be constant turmoil globally!

''Making Palestinians pay for the historical crimes and guilt of Europeans was just wrong and two wrongs never make a 'right' no matter what 'rights' we may or may not lay claim to. Zionism is really just another 'Nationalism' but the current apartheid situation is unsustainable and a bi-national, non-racial 'One State Solution', along the lines of South Africa is inevitable in the longer term, I think.''

I excerpted almost your entire cool, clear and concise comment from your link (minus your first and last lines there) because it fits very well here. I'm really very glad you got to watch ''The Crisis Of Civilisation'' documentary and when one watches something of that depth and breadth, it really contextualises other concerns. However, in compliment of your comment, I append fyi :

From which I excerpt and abridge : ''In the 2012 elections, J Street, the relatively new pro-Israel lobby whose stated purpose is to promote a progressive peace agenda in the Middle East, says its PAC disbursed more than $1.8 million to candidates from 26 states, thus helping eight Senate and 63 House hopefuls win their races. Among the winners are the chairs and ranking members of five committees, including the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and the House Armed Services Committee, as well as chairs and ranking members of more than 30 subcommittees.

''Basically, J Street presents the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in starkly binary terms: Either the rivals have to reach a two-state solution or disaster will ensue. Why disaster? Because entrenching the status quo, in which millions of Palestinians living in areas controlled by Israel are not citizens, would amount to an apartheid state, while any one-state solution would eventually lead to the demise of the Jewish majority. Both apartheid and the end of Israel as a Jewish state are, in J Street's view, disastrous.

''In order to guarantee political equality to the Catholic and Protestant communities in Northern Ireland, the 1998 Good Friday peace agreement assigned essentially equal status to two executive roles — the first and deputy first ministers. Each group has an equal number of legislative committee chairmanships, and membership balance on public bodies, including the judiciary and police forces. Israelis and Palestinians would have to create their own model, and at least initially, it might be good to add to this basic setup internal territorial partition of certain areas, but with porous borders.

''Granted, the odds appear to favor the long-standing, widely desired two-state solution. For J Street to switch to a one-state option would be like betting on a horse whose odds are 50 to 1, instead of the two-state horse's 25 to 1. But the two-state horse is very old and there is little chance that it will ever win. The one-state is still a colt and just began its training.''

Ignore ''the sillyness'' - just keep posting from your heart.

fiat lux, fiat pax, fiat justitia ...

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 10 years ago

Nice link and excerpts and in a similar vein, please see - http://www.nationofchange.org/blogs/lawrence-davidson/two-state-solution-or-illusion-1380049239 . Never Give Up On Justice And Peace For All! Keep Occupying The Light! Solidarity.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

A thought provoking link & I just replied to you elsewhere, so am cross referencing and referring you to :

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 10 years ago

'From darkness, light' indeed and I will try to reply to you there on that link on your thread with http://www.nationofchange.org/blogs/lawrence-davidson/zionism-versus-diplomacy-and-peace-1381247884 but ... Never Give Up Speaking Truth To Power! Occupy Universality! Solidarity.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

Thanx for the very strong Lawrence Davidson article and in compliment for completion, I append :

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by prospector22 (185) from Brooklyn, NY 10 years ago

It saddens me that my country supports the despicable policies of Israel as it does. When will people in this country wake up? And for others the question is when will their humanity kick in?

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

I'm finding myself unable to answer those quite understandable questions but at the risk of adding to your sadness, I am now appending fyi : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29892.htm !!!

ne quid nimis ...

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 10 years ago

Those are powerful links from Chris Hedges and Max Blumenthal that deserve wider readership. From Hedges' article :

' Israel has been poisoned by the psychosis of permanent war. It has been morally bankrupted by the sanctification of victimhood, which it uses to justify an occupation that rivals the brutality and racism of apartheid South Africa. Its democracy—which was always exclusively for Jews—has been hijacked by extremists who are pushing the country toward fascism. Many of Israel’s most enlightened and educated citizens—1 million of them—have left the country. Its most courageous human rights campaigners, intellectuals and journalists—Israeli and Palestinian—are subject to constant state surveillance, arbitrary arrests and government-run smear campaigns. Its educational system, starting in primary school, has become an indoctrination machine for the military. And the greed and corruption of its venal political and economic elite have created vast income disparities, a mirror of the decay within America’s democracy.'

And from Blumenthal's : 'Occupy” meets the Occupation - When a riot squad from the New York Police Department destroyed and evicted the “Occupy Wall Street” protest encampment at Zuccotti Park in downtown Manhattan, department leadership drew on the anti-terror tactics they had refined since the 9/11 attacks. According to the New York Times, the NYPD deployed “counterterrorism measures” to mobilize large numbers of cops for the lightning raid on Zuccotti. The use of anti-terror techniques to suppress a civilian protest complemented harsh police measures demonstrated across the country against the nationwide “Occupy” movement, from firing tear gas canisters and rubber bullets into unarmed crowds to blasting demonstrators with the LRAD sound cannon.'

'Given the amount of training the NYPD and so many other police forces have received from Israel’s military-intelligence apparatus, and the profuse levels of gratitude American police chiefs have expressed to their Israeli mentors, it is worth asking how much Israeli instruction has influenced the way the police have attempted to suppress the Occupy movement, and how much it will inform police repression of future upsurges of street protest. But already, the Israelification of American law enforcement appears to have intensified police hostility towards the civilian population, blurring the lines between protesters, common criminals, and terrorists. As Dichter said, they are all just “crimiterrorists.”

Never Give Up Joining The Dots! Occupy The Light! Solidarity.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

Thanx for the excellent excerpts & fyi : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36875.htm .

fiat lux ...

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 10 years ago

Uri Avnery has been speaking truth to power for a long time & what he says in that article can't be dismissed easily, especially when he concludes - 'TO MY mind, the assassination of Arafat was a crime against Israel. Arafat was the man who was ready to make peace and who was able to get the Palestinian people to accept it. He also laid down the terms: a Palestinian state with borders based on the Green Line, with its capital in East Jerusalem. This is exactly what his assassins aimed to prevent.' Also see - http://www.nationofchange.org/gift-us-mideast-zealots-1373639326 for further insights into the ME situation. Never Give Up Exposing Hard Truths! Occupy Peace! Solidarity.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

I agree with your view of Uri Avnery and thanx again for another excellent and insightful link, from which I excerpt :

''The true victors of the coup are Mideast zealots who shun the ballot box as a rigged Western secular game, along with their sponsors in the bizarre theocracy of Saudi Arabia, the first country to welcome the downfall of Egypt’s only serious attempt at representative governance. For all of the fanatical blather concerning Islam that has emanated from the oil floated theocracy of Saudi Arabia, the spawning ground for Osama bin Laden and 15 of the 19 Sept. 11 hijackers, it is the peaceful electoral campaigns of the populist-based Muslim Brotherhood that the Saudi royalty finds most threatening.

''Now it is the turn of Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, both of which denied aid to Morsi’s government, to reassert their influence over Egypt by rallying around the country’s military. As The Wall Street Journal reported Monday, “Saudi Arabia and the U.A.E. are signaling they are prepared to start showering Egypt’s new government with significant funding as it transitions away from Mr. Morsi and his Islamist movement.”

''So much for the promise of the Arab Spring; it will now be marketed as a franchise of the Saudi government. In the end, the argument was not secular versus religious, but rather whether power would reside in the ballot box or the barrel of the gun. The United States, and too many of Egypt’s self-proclaimed secular democrats, ended up on the wrong side of that choice.'' Also fyi :

''What kind of feelings does the structural discrimination against Palestinians engender? It riles up and infuriates. The Israeli experts, those who keep stats on Palestinian violence, either ignore their own violence or else they are smart enough to cover it up. We must therefore cry out again and again: Every Palestinian, man or woman, poor and less poor, and also the very wealthy, refugees or not, and those who live in the Land of Israel (within the borders of the British Mandate) daily risk that the Israeli authorities and their representatives (soldiers, policemen, settlers, right-wingers) will harm them in some fashion. The situation jeopardizes their lives, livelihood, property, land, health, education, or the continuity of their family and social relations.

''In every area, there are additional varieties of harm and harassment particular to it. For citizens of Israel, it is the creeping racist legislation. In East Jerusalem, it is the negation of residency status and expulsion from Israel. In the West Bank, it is the wholesale arrests, the settlements, the settlers, land expropriations under a pseudo-legal guise, and lack of running water in many communities during the summer. And in the Gaza Strip? Unseen jailers, whose identity is known. They sequester its residents in the world’s largest prison camp, and there is no one who will say as God said to Moses during the crossing of the Red Sea: Wake up, compose thyself, my beloved ones are drowning in the sewage and in the sea of oblivion''

fiat lux ; fiat justitia ; fiat pax ...

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 10 years ago

'From a historical perspective, no physical wall can be permanent. Things change and walls crumble. The walls in our minds might prove more resistant to erosion.They can be very deep rooted and passed on for generations. Yet even these barriers eventually give way. That suggests that Israel’s culture of walls will someday be breached. It is just a matter of time and suffering.' - from Lawrence Davidson's article - http://www.nationofchange.org/blogs/lawrence-davidson/culture-walls-1384810961 and many thanks for the exceptional piece by Amira Hass. Never Stop Saying The Unsayable! Occupy A Vision For Peace! Solidarity.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

Lawrence Davidson speaks with as real and palpable authority and compassion and thanx for another excellent link but to continue from before on the theme of Uri Avnery .. I will append and recommend :

multum in parvo ...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (23769) 10 years ago

A good book with a thesis that strikes right at the heart of how complicated all of our roots are and how inane nationalism is, is Benedict Anderson's "Imagined Communities." No one is who they really think they are. No one comes from the group or place they really think they do. The world is far more complicated than simplistic linear histories of ourselves. And, in the end, so are we all far more complicated and linked together than we could ever imagine.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

''No one is who they really think they are. No one comes from the group or place they really think they do. The world is far more complicated than simplistic linear histories of ourselves. And, in the end, so are we all far more complicated and linked together than we could ever imagine.'' - as it bears repeating.

Re. ''Imagined Communities'', as luck would have it, I was given that very book by my better half though have yet to read it, so I shall put my mind to reading it beyond the quick, flick through, speed read that I've done so far. Also, I append for us all here the following introduction to the book :

Thanx for your 'head and heart' connected and centred comment bw. Solidarity.

pax, amor et lux ...

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (23769) 10 years ago

Think of recent events where a little blond girl in Greece was ripped from her Roma family merely because she was blond and blue eyed and looked like she didn't belong to them. In fact she did not, she was given up to that Roma family by her biological Roma mother. DNA evidence did, in fact, prove she was Roma, as blond as she was. This kind of thinking that we know who we are based on silly superficial non-realities like political borders and skin color beckons to Anderson's trenchant thesis.

From your excellent link: "In an anthropological spirit then, I propose the following definition of the nation: it is an imagined political community - and imagined as both inherently limited and sovereign. It is imagined because the members of even the smallest nation will never know most of their fellow-members, meet them, or even hear of them, yet in the minds of each lives the image of their communion."

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

''Imagined Communities, Reflections on the Origin and Spread of Nationalism'' seems to be an excellent book, which you have repeatedly tried to bring to all our attention on this forum and my link - from which you quote so appropriately to back up your excellent comment - is a pdf. of the introduction to the book.

Further to your comment and Benedict Anderson's ''trenchant thesis'' and in keeping with the general subject matter of this thread and post, I append and thoroughly recommend the following to you & all :

Thank you again for your very apt and thought provoking comment and solidarity to you and yours bw.

fiat lux et fiat pax ...

[-] -2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 10 years ago

You mean the silliness that you helped instigate? Yep.

I am not impressed.

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 10 years ago

Oooh, but I think you are! How ever you think I instigated it, it's cool with me and it got your attention, right? I have to go soon but how do you like your vodka martini? Dry, I assume because you're clearly sweet enough already it seems :)

[+] -5 points by GirlFriday (17435) 10 years ago

No, you're nothing more than a repeat yourself. You can fuck off as well.

[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3340) 10 years ago

So that's extra dry with a twist of angostura bitters! Olive with that? See you next time sweetie :)

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 10 years ago

Ya, go change IDs. Hurry now.

[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3340) 10 years ago

Sorry I took so long to get back to you and in keeping with the subject of the thread, please try to see - http://www.nationofchange.org/blogs/lawrence-davidson/two-state-solution-or-illusion-1380049239 . Now that we're done with drinks, how about a bite to eat? I Never Give Up! Let's Occupy A Meal! Solidarity?

[-] -2 points by vagabondblues (18) from Oyster Bay, NY 10 years ago

Good reply GF.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

Well, I've never been called that before !!! LOL !! Solidarity ! & ...

Were you thinking of 'Kiwi Hair Dressers' again, lolol ;-)

verum ex absurdo ...

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[-] -2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 10 years ago

Dickhead.

Grow a pair and confront me directly.

[-] -1 points by vagabondblues (18) from Oyster Bay, NY 10 years ago

My apologies, I thought that you had made that comment.

Even so bigotry must be confronted no matter who the victim is.

On a side note, I try my best not to respond to denigrating, vulgar comments

[-] -2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 10 years ago

Great. Then you can fuck.now.off.

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 10 years ago

You're such a sweetheart! Can I buy you a drink some time? :)

[-] -1 points by vagabondblues (18) from Oyster Bay, NY 10 years ago

;-) OK...I will happily "fuck...off" in the same way that all the other posters do who have the gall to challenge you. See'ya

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 10 years ago

You are nothing more than a repeat. See ya.

[-] -2 points by mideast (506) 10 years ago

AIPAC is a lobby for one point of view They have not killed 11,000,000 Jews
They don't try to assassinat girs trying to get an education
They don't execute gays
They don't issue fatwahs


I am against ALL lobbying - AIPAC or AMA or koch
I am not afraid of lobbying
I am afraid of this:


I suggest you watch
islam execution of gays
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHUDdSHDTic

muslim anti-jewish nazi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gzyeo1Z1I4

A devout moderate Muslim describes radical Islam – The Third Jihad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxklsBVub-s

Iranian justice = stoning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2kFzGyKgpA

MALALA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F5yeW6XFZk

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

Know a bigot by his propaganda ! How many times have I slapped six shades of shit out of you over your xenophobic ranting - because I've lost count now ?!! But still you'll come back for more because your head is soft and your heart is hard as you spew your propagandist, 'hasbara' horse shit !!!

I can easily find right wing, xenophobic, hateful bigotry from Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu and even secular sources - but what would it make me IF I did so in order to malign an entire religion, group or nationality ? Shame on you bensdad ... yet again ~{:-(

temet nosce ...

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[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

Don't hide behind john's skirt now, lol !!! Say what you really think !! I promise to engage you 'fair and four square' but no talking of guns, shooting or killing please ! You know how I work, so here's a li'l link from your favourite website, just for openers http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27106.htm .

ne quid nimis ....

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[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

I suddenly had an epiphany as per your desperation to burn a Koran and your italicised - ''they will kill you'' ... you don't actually know any Muslims, right ?! I can just burn what I like in the privacy of my own home but how would burning The NT outside a Church or The OT outside a Synagogue not be seen as offensive and who knows - someone may reach for a gun in some places.

Equally, burning the Flag and Constitution may elicit similar sorts of feelings on the part of American Nationalists ? Don't aspire to emulating Pastor Terry Jones and realise what a place of hate he comes from. In case of any curiosity, here's where I'm coming from :

Nobody - least of all, me - is ''defending that kind of behaviour'' but even Malala somehow retains faith in her religion. How, I don't know but there we have it, faith has li'l or nothing to do with 'logic' & we're here for The Global 99% - over a fifth of whom are 'Muslims', though of many different kinds and 'religiosities'.

They are not one homogenised whole, so try not to judge all by the extremists and realise too that said 'extremists' are nurtured in the main by arch-US ally & uber-conservatives,The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Please don't fall into The Imperial Neocon Supremacists' trap and start seeing 20% of humanity as the 'alien other', dude. NB : ''they'' are NOT all the same nor believe the same things - just like anyone else.

Thus, despite 'bensdad' desperately trying to make Israel / Palestine out to be some kind of a Muslim / Jew thing as per the hasbara precepts .. know and realise that in 1947, about 25% of Palestinians were Christians and globally in the global Palestinian diaspora, this still continues to be the case.

fiat lux et fiat pax ...

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[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

Conservatism can manifest under different guises and the term is relative but I ''don't like conservatives'' either. In that we are in clear agreement and re. : ''The fukers shot a 14 year old girl for crying out loud.'' here's a link to the same girl meeting Obomber and ''crying out loud'' and clear :

fiat lux ; fiat justitia ; fiat pax ...

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[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

Ostensibly The POTUS, who said what on the matter of Gitmo again ?

fiat justitia ruat caelum ...

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[-] -1 points by HCHC4 (-28) 10 years ago

Not with an executive order it doesnt. Closing a base is NOTHING compared to declaing war on an nation.

EOs for attacking villiages, none for Gitmo.

Stop making excuses and get your head in the game.

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[-] 3 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 10 years ago

I really dont think we want to get into zionist influence in the global scheme of things.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 10 years ago

You have some links?