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Forum Post: An Israel-Palestine Single-State Solution (Map Included)

Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 11, 2011, 5:11 p.m. EST by jaktober (286) from Sonoma, CA
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I made this a while ago. The map is the legitimate regions currently used by Israel and the PLO.




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[-] 5 points by Ache4Change (3340) 11 years ago

Searching for 'Palestine here this morning, I came up with this year old post which is very interesting to me, so in the spirit of love and reason and even if - "You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one." - I'm making this comment and hoping for justice and peace.

[-] 1 points by gmxusa (274) 10 years ago

The Khazarian descendent white skin Jews, that call themselves Ashkenazi, were never in Palestine to begin with. They should not be claiming Palestine as their ancestral land.


[-] 3 points by LeoYo (5909) 10 years ago

"European Jewish genome is a mosaic of Caucasus, European, and Semitic ancestries,..."

"The rival explanation, the Khazarian Hypothesis, states that the Jewish-convert Khazars -- a confederation of Turkic, Iranian, and Mongol tribes who lived in what is now Southern Russia, north of Georgia and east of Ukraine, and who converted to Judaism between the 7th and 9th centuries -- along with groups of Mesopotamian and Greco-Roman Jews, formed the basis of eastern Europe's Jewish population when they fled eastward, following the collapse of their empire in the 13th century. European Jews are thus expected to exhibit heterogeneity between different communities."

The Ashkenazim are a mixture of various lineages including a Semitic one that had originated in Canaan. Genetic studies on the Y-chromosome in comparison with the Shomerim (Samaritans) have shown this. Studies on the Levitical families among the Ashkenazim show those families to be of Khazarian descent. On top of it all, three main Y-chromosome lineages are noted for the ancient Jewish population. The Levitical lineage is related to southeast Levant populations. The Priestly lineage is related to central Levant populations. And among the general population, many are related to populations of Caucasian speaking descent such as the Kurds. Such a population had entered the the Levant as Hurrian men from Mitanni at the beginning of the Late Bronze Age and is reflected in biblical mythology pertaining to sons of Israel coming from the north and having children with women of Canaan.

No one outside of an ancestral homeland should be claiming a right to it. If a family abandons their land allowing their neighbors to take it over, all rights to the land are ended. No one from the family generations later can justifiably claim a right to the land.

And even as far as claiming land is concerned, only the highland region between Bethel and Hebron can be claimed as the ancestral homeland of the Jewish population while Nehemiah 9:36-38 makes it clear that no political independence accompanies such a claim.

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 10 years ago

Not really sure what your point is because what about the Sephardic, Mizrahi & Falasha communities? The real point is more that we're all from somewhere at some point but should we all simply be able to 'reclaim' on dubious or historical or both grounds, lands that we assume we come from? If we extend this logic to everyone everywhere - then there would be constant turmoil globally!

Making Palestinians pay for the historical crimes and guilt of Europeans was just wrong and two wrongs never make a 'right' no matter what 'rights' we may or may not lay claim to. Zionism is really just another 'Nationalism' but the current apartheid situation is unsustainable and a bi-national, non-racial 'One State Solution', along the lines of South Africa is inevitable in the longer term, I think.

Never Give Up On A True, Universal Justice! Occupy Idealism - Not Bigotry!

[-] 2 points by gmxusa (274) 10 years ago

Zionism was created by Jewish Europeans. Sephardic Jews were happy where they were.


[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3340) 10 years ago

There's much truth in that but you'll have to research Theodore Herzl a little to see where he was coming from. Further to your very interesting link, please see - http://www.nationofchange.org/blogs/lawrence-davidson/two-state-solution-or-illusion-1380049239 . Never Give Up On Peace! Occupy Justice For All! Solidarity.

[-] 1 points by MikEYD (8) 12 years ago

Next you'll be asking for forced integration of the Cryps and the Bloods in South Central Los Angeles. Entertaining, but stupid.

[-] 2 points by jaktober (286) from Sonoma, CA 12 years ago

End the Drug War and the Bloods and Crypts will go out of business. It'll be no more violent than West Side Story.

I'm not saying forced integration. A lot of people have been talking about a single-state solution for a while. The current affair is forced integration in the West Bank and force segregation in the Gaza Strip.

Every Palestinian I've talked to likes the idea but doesn't see it as possible. I should start talking to some Israelis, they'll probably say the same thing. I hope to try to get some dialogue going between both groups of people. Something like this could only happen if factions within both camps work together. That is what Peace is.

If they remain separated, even if Palestine is acknowledged, yet both are still led by their religion and both want access to their holy land (which is the same land), then I don't see peace ever lasting. If access were upon to all, and all had equal rights, then I could see religion taking a step back from the leading political influence.

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

[-] 0 points by dugfmjamul (101) 12 years ago

Here is an idea, since Jordan is a phoney man made Hashemite Kingdom created from land that was originally to be reserved for a 'Jewish Palestine' and already has close to a million Palestinians [Jordan has been revoking the citizenship of thousands of Palestinians in an attempt to thwart any attempt by Israel of permanently re-settling West Bank Palestinians in Jordan.] Why don't we have a world-wide telethon to raise money to relocate the Palestinians from Israel to Jordan and just rename Jordan 'Palestine'...problem solved.

[-] 0 points by seaglass (671) from Brigantine, NJ 12 years ago

LOL, Oh yea that will work. In a more perfect world where people are angels.

[-] 3 points by jaktober (286) from Sonoma, CA 12 years ago

Pessimism is the enemy of progress. It achieves nothing, in fact, it's achievement is that it results in the doing of nothing. It maintains the status-quo. It congratulates inaction. Pessimism is worthless, because it creates nothing of worth.

[-] -2 points by mideast (506) 11 years ago

why not merge the west bank with Jordan?
Gaza with Egypt?

I assume that you know that there never has been a "Palestinian nation" or "Palestinian people"

[-] 1 points by jaktober (286) from Sonoma, CA 10 years ago

That is essentially what Jordan and Egypt have attempted to do. That is what the West Bank situation is. Is Jordan attempting to occupy that land, while Israel continues to settle and attack.

If we want to come to a peace agreement both sides must benefit from it. Israel gets its border, citizens of Gaza and the West Bank get representation in government. And maybe we get some Peace out of it.

[-] 0 points by mideast (506) 10 years ago

"Is Jordan attempting to occupy that land, while Israel continues to settle and attack. " ????
Israel is attacking the West Bank ????
The WEST BANK wants to become part of Jordan ????
How many Israeli Arabs represent Arabs in the Israel legislature????
How many Jews represent Jews in the West Bank legislature?????
How many Jews represent Jews in the Jordan legislature?????
How many Jews represent Jews in the Gaza legislature?????
How many Jews represent Jews in the Egyptian legislature?????

[-] -2 points by HCHC4 (-28) 10 years ago

Total lie. According to all of our encyclopedia's, and the rest of the planet, that entire area was known as Palestine.

Its amazing what marching in after WWII and carving the place up will do to the propaganda machine.

[-] -2 points by mideast (506) 10 years ago

maps do not create a country, the Atlantic is not a country either but, as you know - the "Palestinian people does not exist" -

From many sources, including Daniel Pipes & Wikipedia:
On March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with
Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein.

”The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a “Palestinian state” is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese.
Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a “Palestinian people”, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.

“For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a “Palestinian”, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem.”

Truth does not change. Truth is truth.
If something was true 50 years ago, 40 years ago, 30 years ago, it is still true today.
And the truth is that only 30 years ago, there was very little confusion on this issue of Palestine.
You might remember the late Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir making virtually the same statement: “There is no such thing as a Palestinian people.” The statement has been a source of ridicule and derision by Arab propagandists ever since. They love to talk about Golda Meir’s “racism and bigotry and hate mongering.” They love to suggest she was in historical denial. They love to say her statement is patently false – an intentional lie, a strategic deception –
but is source from a PLO leader!

What they don’t like to talk about, however, are the very similar statements made by Yasser Arafat and his inner circle of political leadership years after Meir had told the truth –
that there is no distinct Palestinian cultural or national identity.

Pretty clear, isn’t it? It is even more specific than Golda Meir’s statement. And it is hardly the only such statement of its kind. Arafat himself made a very definitive and unequivocal statement along these lines as late as 1993.
It demonstrates conclusively that the Palestinian nationhood argument is the real strategic deception – one geared to set up the destruction of Israel.

On the same day Arafat ( who was born in CAIRO EGYPT ) signed the Declaration of Principles on the White House lawn in 1993, Arafat stated:
“Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of “Palestine”, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel.”

No matter how many people delude themselves that the aspirations for Palestinian statehood are genuine and the key to peace in the Middle East, they are still deceiving themselves. In the history of the world, Palestine has never existed as a nation. The region known as “Palestine” was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I.
The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their ancestral homeland. In recent decades, parts have been “occupied” by Egypt and Israel. It was never ruled by Arabs as a separate nation.
Why now has it become such a critical priority?
The answer is because of a massive deception campaign and relentless terrorism over 40 years.
Golda Meir was telling the truth. Her statement is validated by the truth of history and by the candid, but not widely circulated, pronouncements of Arafat and his lieutenants.
Israel and the West must not surrender to terrorism by granting the killers just what they want – a public relations triumph and a strategic victory. It’s not too late to say no to terrorism. It’s not too late to say no to another Arab terror state to launch attacks at the only Jewish state. It’s not too late to tell the truth about Palestine.
……………………………………………. by Joseph Farah

Are you afraid to believe Farah & Muhsein & Arafat ?

[-] 2 points by HCHC4 (-28) 10 years ago

" It was never ruled by Arabs as a separate nation."

Who made those border nations?