Forum Post: Tea Party
Posted 11 years ago on May 9, 2012, 8:32 a.m. EST by dantes443322
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For a movement that has no power, they sure are making their presence known - again. Dick Lugar being ousted is just another one thrown out by the Tea Party.
Tell me again, what has OWS accomplished?
Lugar had been there forever. What happened when the Tea Party and republicans conspired against Lisa Murkowski in Alaska? She impaled them with her Rino horn. Haha.
Being There.
The Tea Party has accomplished the exact opposite of what it supposedly stands for. Small government and fiscal responsibility. Endorsing tax subsidies for oil and supporting the deficit facilitating Bush tax cuts. Sponsoring bills that rape the constitution, such as SOPA and PCIP. HR 347. Nearly universally supporting CISPA and drones in US air space, as well as the Patriot Act. Promoting using "eminent domain" to strip property rights of Americans so Canada can sale China oil.
So is the Tea Party the politicians that behave this way or those that blindly endorse them?
I think you have confused the Tea Party with the Republican Party. The TP has never endorsed any subsidies. They believe that if the tax code was flat and fair, there should be no subsidies. They are against ALL subsidies including, oil, energy, green, farms, etc. They don't think government should pick and choose winners and losers. They think all laws should be across the board and fair...not one set of laws or taxes for one group and another set for another group...One flat playing field. They also don't believe in censuring or policing the internet.
And they are against the government taking anything from a citizen that a citizen owns especially property. See the article The Keystone Fight Is Uniting Tea Partiers With Environmentalists from Feb on this web page: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/02/keystone-opposition-creates-strange-bedfellows-in-rural-america.php.
The media promotes these false arguments that don't portray the truth about the Tea Party. If the TP agreed with the republicans, Lugar would still be a senator for another 6 years.
What OWS and the Tea Party can agree on is that we, the people, need to get rid of every politician on every local, state and especially the federal level that has been in office more than 5 years. They are the ones that have created all the problems we face now. They have been in power so long that they have written all the rules. Our founders wanted a congress made up of citizens, not career politicians. Their #1 job is to get re-elected and pit one American against another to do that. They are taking corrupt money from lobbyists, celebrities, corporations, unions and looking out for their power and their friends and not the American people. Why do we have senators in office for 30 and 40 years. Lugar was in office for 36 years. The guy is in his 80's. Let's get fresh minds in there. Get rid of all these power hungry criminals that have made a career on our backs.
I was talking about what happens in the legislature by representatives that call themselves tea party and are generally endorsed by the tea party. Rand Paul for example said not subsidizing oil is "punishing success". Lamar Smith is tea party and sponsors anti privacy anti free speech legislation. Look up tea party representatives and then take a good look at their voting record.
The do not represent what the tea party is supposed to be about.
There are many legislators using the tea party mantle for their own gain just as there are many democratic politicians trying to use OWS for their own gain. This does not mean that they represent the tea party or OWS. As usual, they are just using whatever means necessary to get re-elected and extend their power for 6 more years. Lamar Smith is another politician that has been in office since 1987. I am trying to spread the word to both tea party and OWS that we need to get all politicians out of office that have been in office for more than 5 years. We need to impose our own term limits on them. These career politicians who have been in office for decades are the cause of all that is wrong. Washington is so corrupt that the only way to clean it up is to get rid of what ails it. I wish more people would understand that.
All that you write sounds good enough, but what Tea Partiers generally want is big government but in their image.
Most often they want to control people's sexuality, women's reproduction, and their ability to terminate pregnancies. Most often they want to spread their brand of religion as a law of the land and even degrade education by introducing myth instead of science to explain the origin and progression of earthly life and the universe. Most often they want to limit voting rights especially of the economically and politically oppressed by making voting requirements even more difficult.
I believe what scares Tea Partiers most is that someday the vast, unwashed mob may actually vote en-masse and demand what belongs to them.
No...that's what liberals, progressives and socialists want...big government. Tea Partiers believe that big government IS our problem. Government wants to control every aspect of our lives because therein lies power which is all they are really after.
The statements you make are not true. For example, "the myth instead of science" has been introduced by the progressives who want to control people's lives by saying that people are responsible for global warming. That way they can tell us what to drive, what to use for light bulbs, and worse take money for so-called carbon footprint taxes which are a scam for more power. The truth is that the majority of scientists believe that the earth is in a normal climate change cycle. I remember during the 1970s when these same "scientists" were screaming that we were going into the next ice age because of our hair spray, etc. Check out this site: http://theglobalwarmingtruth.com/ and be open to other viewpoints.
Tea Partiers don't want to limit voting rights, they just want people that are voting to show a valid ID. We show ID for everything else these days. I don't understand what the problem is when it comes to voting. Voter fraud is a major issue.
Tea Partiers believe in all of our freedoms so they get upset when the government wants to tell an institution that it must pay for things for it's employees that the institution preaches against. The government shouldn't be telling anyone what it needs to purchase.
Some of your points are about social conservatives, not tea partiers. There are social conservatives in the tea party but the tea party is not made up of all social conservatives.
Tea Partiers believe that government should stay out of all personal issues. That is freedom.
The vast majority of scientific experts believe man is having an impact on the environment in a negative way. The downside risk is too serious to ignore. Even if there is some contrarian views. Perhaps we should err on the side of caution. And spare us your silly hair spray science examples.
Voter fraud is not statistically significant. The intent behind voter id laws is suppression. That's just wrong. So sure we have to show id's to get on an airplane. Last time I checked, getting on an airplane is not a Constitutional Right. Voting is a Right. So I don't know what the problem is.
I don't think anyone wants a bigger government than we need. It's not about size. It's about need. You don't think perhaps we need a pretty big government to navigate through a complex geo-political world.
And when wealth inequality is higher than it's been since the Gilded Age, and not enough people have living wage jobs to take care of themselves, then yeah, it creates the need for social programs. So I don't know what the problem is.
You don't like the size of government? What's the right size? I'd love to know. Wanna get rid of the State Department? I know! Lets get rid of the Treasury. With that goes the IRS. No more taxes. No more government anything. Of course get rid of the EPA. Because corporations would never dream of polluting the air, land or water. They're angels! Throw out the Dept of Education for sure. We should just end public education all together and privatize it so some capitalist angel can make a quick buck while blowing education all to hell. End all social programs. No more money. We starved the beast by getting rid of the Treasury, remember? Nevermind all that annoying poverty in the streets. When they're hungry enough, they'll find a job. When they get thirsty, they just drink from the sewer pipes. Because the water there is cleaner than the water in the lakes and rivers. Since we got rid of the EPA. Who knew? Those capitalists weren't such angels after all. Oh well. What'cha gonna do? What the hell is wrong with all of those poor people in the streets drinking from the sewer anyway? Why don't they just pull themselves up by their bootstraps! Lazy slobs.
And any instituion can preach whatever it wants. But preaching is where it ends.
The proper role of religion is to appeal to the conscience of the individual, not the coercive power of the state. " Sen. Edward Kennedy
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Once again you misrepresent the facts. 97% of reputable scientists, including NASA, believe in global warming, If you want actual links, including NASA's, I'll be glad to provide them.
Voter fraud, as far as people that vote fraudulently isa minor problem. Corruption by PACs, corporations, and organizations like the Tea Party is a much more widespread problem.
When it comes to social issues and the Tea Party, I have to take into account Arizona's recent legislation, including Governor Nutjob Jan Brewer's statements about limiting abortion. Furthermore, I have to take into account Sheriff Whacko Arpaio's bogus "investigation" into the authenticity of Barack Obama's certified birth certificate and selective-service records at the instigation of the Arizona Tea Party into account.
You also neglect to mention the "intelligent design" debacle, which is nothing more than pseudo-science dressed up to support Biblical accounts of creation. Like or not, all current scientific evidence supports Darwinism, whether some slack-jawed semi-simian wants to admit his or her link to an ancient primate or not. Sarah Palin, a darling of the Tea Party, supports "intelligent design." Somewhere along the line the Tea Party must have forgot about their non-involvement in social issues.
That's a nice little rant but that had nothing to do with the tea party movement or thinking. The tea party wants to get ride of the BIG Government Republicans.
I was talking about what happens in the legislature by representatives that call themselves tea party and are generally endorsed by the tea party. Rand Paul for example said not subsidizing oil is "punishing success". Lamar Smith is tea party and sponsors anti privacy anti free speech legislation. Look up tea party representatives and then take a good look at their voting record.
They do not represent what the tea party is supposed to be about. Show me a Tea Party member in the house that opposed SOPA, CISPA, drones in US air space, and/or stood up for citizens property rights over trans canada and opposed oil subsidies. Speaking in how they voted in legislature. Not just rhetoric.
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Please show me the teabagger that isn't an (R).
Please show me the unabashed pro-union teabagger.
Please show me the pro women's rights teabagger.
Please show me a teabagger that makes any sense at all.
PS Teabaggers raised my taxes the lying sack of s*!
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The T party is 5 years old .OWS is 6 months old will get there soon enough.
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An Education for Leslie Reinitz, An Invitation for the TEA Party
http://ironboltbruce.blog.com/2011/10/27/an-education-for-leslie-reinitz-an-invitation-for-the-tea-party/
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